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nellicat
07-13-2005, 02:45 PM
Will there be a forum for the Phil Spector trial? It looks pretty interesting to me. I've changed my own opinion completely around in the last few weeks, and it would be fun to see where other people stand. Anyone?

kato
07-13-2005, 02:51 PM
Will there be a forum for the Phil Spector trial? It looks pretty interesting to me. I've changed my own opinion completely around in the last few weeks, and it would be fun to see where other people stand. Anyone?

I'm interested in that case but it doesn't seem too any others are at least not yet.

What is your opinion now versus before?

lcookster
07-13-2005, 02:57 PM
Right, I am also interested in what your earlier opinion was and what changed your mind. He is definitely one strange ranger.

nellicat
07-13-2005, 02:57 PM
Before, I thought it was at least possible that she was fooling around with the gun and accidentally shot herself. I just didn't see any reason, any reason at all, why PS would have killed this woman. But now I've read that he has a habit of threatening women with his always present, always loaded gun. AND I read (via Dominick Dunne in Vanity Fair), that his DNA was present on Lana's breast. It makes me think that he pulled a gun on her, either to really threaten her or as some sort of sick foreplay, started fooling around with her, and the gun went off accidentally. I still don't think he shot her on purpose, though. What's your theory?

kato
07-13-2005, 03:02 PM
I've always thought he did it. Just because I had read books about him and how he is always brandishing guns around.

nellicat
07-13-2005, 03:10 PM
I've always thought he did it. Just because I had read books about him and how he is always brandishing guns around.

Do you think he did it on purpose or by accident? Do you think he'd have any reason to kill her, or that he was the type of guy who would kill without any reason? I just can't fathom that he would want to kill her.

kato
07-13-2005, 03:12 PM
Do you think he did it on purpose or by accident? Do you think he'd have any reason to kill her, or that he was the type of guy who would kill without any reason? I just can't fathom that he would want to kill her.

I don't think it was cold-blooded murder but I think he was playing with his guns as he usually does and it happened. But sooner or later with him something like this was bound to happen it was just a matter of when.

nellicat
07-13-2005, 03:20 PM
I don't think it was cold-blooded murder but I think he was playing with his guns as he usually does and it happened. But sooner or later with him something like this was bound to happen it was just a matter of when.

Yes, it certainly seems that way. Well, I guess we don't have to a forum after all - you and I just solved it!!! :D

kato
07-13-2005, 03:26 PM
Yes, it certainly seems that way. Well, I guess we don't have to a forum after all - you and I just solved it!!! :D


LOL Maybe so.

browneyes
07-13-2005, 03:49 PM
I'm interested in the trial of Phil Spector too. I have heard Domonique Dunn speak about him several times on Cather Crier's show. As I expected, Phil sounds like a loon. Should be a heck of a ride. :dance:

Maybe we can talk about it in the jury room~~I refuse to go to the CTV boards and discuss it. :snooty: Been there, done that. :crazy:

kato
07-13-2005, 03:54 PM
I'm interested in the trial of Phil Spector too. I have heard Domonique Dunn speak about him several times on Cather Crier's show. As I expected, Phil sounds like a loon. Should be a heck of a ride. :dance:

Maybe we can talk about it in the jury room~~I refuse to go to the CTV boards and discuss it. :snooty: Been there, done that. :crazy:

No, I wouldn't want to go over there either. It's too convoluted. He's a looney toon alright.

tybee204
07-13-2005, 04:48 PM
I am movingthis to the Trial Forum and Ya'll can follow the case there.

tybee

kato
07-14-2005, 07:39 AM
I am movingthis to the Trial Forum and Ya'll can follow the case there.

tybee

Thanks, ty.

ncgramma
07-18-2005, 10:58 PM
I'll post a few links I've collected about the case. Sure hope you decide to start a Phil Spector Trial forum.

Judge Sets Sept. 16 Trial Date for Spector
Phil Spector Sued for Wrongful Death
http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html (http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html)

Pop producer Spector arrested in killing
L.A. woman found shot in '60s icon's mansion
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/04/MN99817.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/02/04/MN99817.DTL)

Death at Phil Spector's mansion
http://beatles.ncf.ca/phil_spector_p1.html (http://beatles.ncf.ca/phil_spector_p1.html)

"I think I killed somebody"
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=394120 (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=394120)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143621,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143621,00.html)

Search Warrant and Affidavit
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pspector1.html)

Grand Jury Indicts Phil Spector On Murder Charges
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1491426/20040927/story.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1491426/20040927/story.jhtml)
http://amysrobot.com/archives/2005/01/phil_spectors_w.php (http://amysrobot.com/archives/2005/01/phil_spectors_w.php)

Spector is ordered back to court
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3682432.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3682432.stm)
http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0505/24b.html (http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/0505/24b.html)

Judge's Rulings
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050524/people_nm/spector_dc_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050524/people_nm/spector_dc_1)
http://www.handelonthelaw.com/news_details.aspx?News=340&Date=1/1/2005 (http://www.handelonthelaw.com/news_details.aspx?News=340&Date=1/1/2005)

Spector's Lawyers: It Was Suicide
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/20/entertainment/main584770.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/20/entertainment/main584770.shtml)

Family, Biography and General Background Information

In the early '60s, while Berry Gordy was taking the rhythm of youth and giving it Motown's bright, sophisticated sheen, Spector was grabbing up the same elements and pitching them down a black hole of raw emotion and supersaturated orchestration. What spun out the other end was pop music all right, complete with harmonizing vocals, ardent lyrics and lush instrumentation. But it had a new form -- one that replaced the bounce of innocence with the throb of desire.
http://www.salon.com/bc/1998/11/cov_10bc.html (http://www.salon.com/bc/1998/11/cov_10bc.html)

John Lennon's brief relationship with Phil Spector began in early 1970
http://www.angelfire.com/tn/Bagism/philfeud.html (http://www.angelfire.com/tn/Bagism/philfeud.html)

Spector's sons: Dad caged us
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/58633p-54922c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/58633p-54922c.html)

'I'm probably insane. I have devils inside'
Phil Spector gave his first interview in 25 years to the Telegraph magazine. Mick Brown recalls his recent visit to the pop producer's home
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F02%2F04%2Fwspec104 .xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F02%2F04%2Fwspec104 .xml)

Phil Spector's Ghosts
The spooky world of the greatest producer in pop music.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2078299/ (http://slate.msn.com/id/2078299/)

Phil Spector Getting Married?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149391,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149391,00.html)
http://story.news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/en/052405philspector/im:/050523/482/la10605232142?sp=-1&lsp=6000 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/en/052405philspector/im:/050523/482/la10605232142?sp=-1&lsp=6000)

Photos
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=phil+spector&ei=UTF-8&fl=0 (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=phil+spector&ei=UTF-8&fl=0)


Legal Timeline

Feb. 3, 2004 -
Spector Hires Ex-Gotti Attorney
Abramson and Morrisey Replace Robert Shapiro

Aug. 25, 2004 -
Phil Spector hired an attorney, who New York prosecutors have called the "house counsel" for the Gambino crime family, to represent him in his up-coming murder trial. The move came after his former attorney Leslie Abramson resigned from the case. Gotti attorney Bruce Cutler now joins Roger Jay Rosen on the defense team.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/25/entertainment/main638230.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/25/entertainment/main638230.shtml)

Sept. 14, 2004 -
Legendary rock and roll music director Phil Spector requested and received a delay in his preliminary hearing on charges related to the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson at his home in February. The preliminary hearing is scheduled December 16.

Sept. 22, 2004
Phil Spector's attorney has the legendary music producer has been order to appear in court Monday, possibly signalling that he has been indicted by a California grand jury.

Sept. 27, 2004
As expected by his attorney, music producer Phil Spector was indicted by a grand jury on charges that he murdered actress Lana Clarkson on Feb. 3, 2003. In a brief court appearance in Los Angeles, Spector pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Oct. 12, 2004
Music producer Phil Spector's attorneys asked a judge to seal the transcript of the grand jury testimony that led to him being indicted for murder of actress Lana Clarkson, 40, was found shot to death at Spector's mansion on Feb. 3, 2003.

Nov. 11, 2004
Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler has ruled that transcripts of the grand jury hearings in the murder case against music producer Phil Spector can be made public in spite of claims from the defense that they are "full of lies."

January 7, 2005
Spector Changed Shooting Story
(AP) Rock music producer Phil Spector initially told police he accidentally shot actress Lana Clarkson, then later said she committed suicide, according to newly released grand jury transcripts. Spector, 64, who created rock 'n' roll's "wall of sound" recording technique, is charged with murdering Clarkson at his Alhambra mansion in 2003. He has pleaded not guilty and is free on $1 million bail. The transcripts, released this week after news organizations including The Associated Press and the Los Angeles Times won a legal battle to unseal them, include testimony from police, Spector's chauffeur and women who said they were threatened by Spector.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/07/entertainment/main665346.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/07/entertainment/main665346.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories)

February 3, 2005
Spector Sued by Clarkson's Mother
Phil Spector, currently facing trial for the murder of Lana Clarkson, has been sued for wrongful death by the late actress's mother. Donna Clarkson also accuses Spector of negligence and battery, charging in the lawsuit that the 64-year-old music producer "grabbed, hit, fought with and restrained" her daughter before shooting her to death on February 3, 2003. Donna Clarkson's attorneys, Roderick Lindblom and John Taylor, say in a statement, "The Clarkson family had hoped that there would be some resolution with regard to the criminal proceedings before moving forward with the civil action. However, Ms. Clarkson and her family understand that the fair administration of justice takes time and in light of the numerous changes Mr. Spector has made in his legal defense team over the last two years, Ms Clarkson was forced to file the action before (the statute of limitations expired) on February 3, 2005." Spector denies accusations of shooting Clarkson in the foyer of his home near Los Angeles. An autopsy report concluded that a gun was placed in the 40-year-old actress's mouth and fired. His lead attorney Bruce Cutler says, "Phil did not cause the death of this woman, he's not criminally responsible and he's not civilly responsible either. But I'm not surprised they filed a suit for money, that seems to be de rigueur nowadays."
http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-02-04/#3 (http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-02-04/#3)

May 23, 2005
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler ruled that four women who say that Phil Spector pointed guns at them during dates will be allowed to testify.
Websites and Other Research

The Phil Spector Case
http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/spector.htm (http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/spector.htm)
http://www.spectormurdercase.com/ (http://www.spectormurdercase.com/)
http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html (http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html)
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/s/phil%20spector/phil_spector.htm (http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/s/phil%20spector/phil_spector.htm)

Phil Spector: Pop innovator
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2722581.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2722581.stm)

"Reckless" by Carlton Smith
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312994052/qid=1113231340/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-5904471-2845543 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312994052/qid=1113231340/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-5904471-2845543)

"Wall of Pain" by Dave Thompson
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860745431/qid=1113231438/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5904471-2845543 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860745431/qid=1113231438/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5904471-2845543)

Phil Spector: Out of His Head by Richard Williams
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0711998647/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-5904471-2845543?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0711998647/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-5904471-2845543?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

He's a Rebel by Mark Ribowsky
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0815410441/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0815410441/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

Be My Baby: How I Survived Mascara, Miniskirts, and Madness, or My Life as a Fabulous Ronette by Ronnie Spector
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451411536/ref=pd_sim_b_3/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451411536/ref=pd_sim_b_3/103-6234284-9643858?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

House of Blues
http://www.hob.com/ (http://www.hob.com/)


Other Legal Problems

Decision Affirming "Ronettes" Award for Lost Royalties (.pdf)
http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/ronettes/ronettes111301dec.pdf (http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/ronettes/ronettes111301dec.pdf)

LANA CLARKSON

Official Website
http://www.livingdollproductions.com/ (http://www.livingdollproductions.com/)

Lana Clarkson
Requiem for the Barbarian Queen
http://slate.msn.com/id/2078263/ (http://slate.msn.com/id/2078263/)

Family Defends Memory of Slain Actress
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/ontv/012704_ent_clarkson.html (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/ontv/012704_ent_clarkson.html)

Lana Clarkson's Hollywood Dreams
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11242,00.html (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11242,00.html)

PrimeTime Exclusive: Family Defends Memory of Slain Actress
Mother, Sister of Lana Clarkson Rebut Phil Spector's Claims Ahead of Murder Trial
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/print?id=442185 (http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/print?id=442185)

Gozgals
07-19-2005, 02:18 AM
Tybee, Thank you for moving this.....!
:innocent: Hi how are you? And :blushing: Thank You ncgramma- You are great!

I was going to post links the other night but I got busy. I have read plenty of Beatle books over the last million years, played, Beatle- & Spector (um) tunes. I have read Spector books. You have saved me time. Also I did go to Lana's website too. You saved me the time and also posted sites I could go to and read. Again, thanks. I can also send these along to friends that are interested in the muzac aspects, (not the case)

I too am interested in following this case. My information on Phil, aside from the known fact, A music icon in his own right, (aside from the manical nature he has) is baffling. I would like to find out what really happenned at his house even though I have my own theories.

As you know, Phil Spector waved guns at, and held hostage
either them (the artists) or their tapes- every one he ever produced since the early 70s from John Lennon to the Ramones and almost a 100 other WHOLE groups or single artists in between.
When he got famous in the early to mid sixties producing tons of 60's girl groups including his wife's group and other groups in the 60s. He wasn't much of a paranoid gun waving maniac yet, but was known to be rather violent
and keep Ronnie S. locked up and abused.

But when his time was up in about '66 when the Beatles,Stones, Dylan and
other like rockers didn't need producers like him anymore, he kind of
hibernated for about 4 years until about 1970 (probably doing bad
drugs, having bouts of depression about the music business passing him by,most likely getting sicker, and more paronoid. Then in 1970 the Beatles used him for "let it be" and rock stars and groups used him in the 70s based on his legendary name and status as the guy who made all them killer records they loved and grew up on and his production style they were influenced by.So it's in the 70s and early 80s he was producing just tons of people
that he would get paranoid,trap people in his house for days, recording them
playing head games,waving guns----drugs, not letting them out
----keeping the tapes for years or forever.......that's about it.

Complied and sent to me.....

Sidenote: some of this was sent to me by a Phil Spector fan/ Producer... Some has been edited..

__________________________________________________ ____________

Spector has also been known to take drugs for mental illness yet denied he had any such as "Schizophrenia." He states, I take drugs for this disease, yet I don't have it, but I skip meds. Spector has been known to be a recluse over the last couple of years.

He did produce one of the greatest songs ever made: IMAGINE by JL

See you soon.. Look forward to it

bing1
07-20-2005, 11:16 PM
I am very interested in this trial also. Still a little skittish after the whole MJ fiasco but this trial doesn't start for a while so I should be calmed down by then. Thank you for the links, very helpful indeed. From what I have read so far, it looks to me that he has a history and this was just bound to happen sooner or later. I look forward to the trial to hear the real evidence but he definatly was involved up to his eyeballs. I also heard a rumor that he once tied up John Lennon to a chair and threatened him with a gun, but have not found any confirmation yet. Another looney star doing what he wants, when he wants, how he wants. Hopefully, if it is proven that he did do this, this time we may just get some justice!

William N
08-03-2005, 12:19 PM
Any news on the Phil Spector Trial? On Court TV's upcoming docket, they had said that jury selection would start September 16. Now they have a "Pre-Trial hearing" for October 5. Has the Spector Trial been postponed again?

Gozgals
08-04-2005, 11:58 AM
William N- It doesn't appear that there is any interest in Spectors case. I have not heard any new information except what you have posted. If interest generates, I will be glad to poke around again.

I feel that Phil does not generate any celebrity status as others mentioned here so he probably can't buy his way out of this (if he is guilty) which I feel he is of a charge.
After all, who cares about Phil Spector! He is not a lost mega star that generates the popularity like MJackson (who is known world wide). MJ can walk on charges as his fame is as such, as with OJ. Phil, is an old producer,
-- yes, he was a superstar, and still is but amongest just his peers. Many of them know what he is capable of too. To the general public, he is a nobody.

My feelings are: he will not walk, but still....I have witnessed, like all here, other celebrites who have used the justice system to their advantage.

Keep me informed.

William N
08-04-2005, 12:21 PM
Gozgals.

Thanks for the reply. I had seen on Court TV's "Upcoming Trial Docket" that they flash on the screen during breaks, a Pre-Trial hearing for October 5. Previously, they had jury selection starting on September 16. The defense seems to be following the delay, delay strategy.

You are right that there is little interest in Phil Spector. I'll post here if I see any news. I don't think Spector will walk, either. I think Court TV is going to give it major coverage when it starts.

bing1
09-11-2005, 06:03 PM
I sure hope there is some coverage of this trial. Ever since I read about how he treated his ex-wife, I have been interested in how this crazy gets away with stuff and hoping that he would be stopped before anyone got hurt. My hopes we dashed but I still have a little hope that one of these celebrities is going to pay for what they have done. I do not get court tv so I would really appreciate any and all reports about this trial. This place is my only connection. Thanks:clap:

William N
09-13-2005, 01:02 PM
As far as I know, nothing has changed since my last post on this thread. There is a pre-trial hearing on October 5. Spector and his legal team seem to be delaying the trial as long as possible.

bing1
09-21-2005, 08:27 PM
Thanks for your updates........I check in all the time hoping to hear anything I can. I appreciate your posts....:clap:



As far as I know, nothing has changed since my last post on this thread. There is a pre-trial hearing on October 5. Spector and his legal team seem to be delaying the trial as long as possible.

Cydbaby
09-22-2005, 09:15 AM
You might want to check these two places out...

It should be a fascinating trial, given Spector's, um, er, unusual self.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PhilSpectorTrial

or

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HighProfileCases

William N
09-26-2005, 04:41 PM
There apparently was a pre-trial hearing for the Spector Trial today, according to Court TV's "on the docket."

Norma
09-27-2005, 05:06 PM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/5024921/detail.html

Rock music producer Phil Spector made a brief court appearance in Los Angeles Monday to learn from his judge that his murder trial would probably begin in January.

if anything, there should be a trial on if he should be allowed to continue wearing this hair:

http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0927/5024980_240X180.jpg

Shortcake21
10-08-2005, 03:40 PM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/entertainment/5024921/detail.html

Rock music producer Phil Spector made a brief court appearance in Los Angeles Monday to learn from his judge that his murder trial would probably begin in January.

:laugh: :laugh: if anything, there should be a trial on if he should be allowed to continue wearing this hair:

:laugh: http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0927/5024980_240X180.jpg

LOL ,POOK

Floh
10-28-2005, 01:37 PM
"I didn't mean to shoot her"

Music producer Phil Spector, accused of murdering an actress, has suffered a legal setback ahead of his trial.

A judge in California has ruled that potentially damning statements said to have been made by Mr Spector to police can be used against him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4384022.stm

Then why did he?

hmmmmmm

Gozgals
10-29-2005, 12:53 PM
I think Phil shot her because he could, because he is a raving lunatic who has been waving guns for years at family members, people he worked for, who worked for him, etc. One day his unstable behavior was going to catch up with him. I mean-how long can anybody, even a music genesis has been, icon, get away with this uncontrollable behavior! Face it, the stories are out there. Just because he is older, does not mean he changed. It may mean during his years as a reclusive, he became more depressed, maybe took a few pills to control his rages/depression but went off them. He never gained control over this aspect of his maniacal side.


I do not think Phil will walk, thank God!

Another current link:http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1027/spector_ctv.html



Phil Spector's statements after actress was shot to death ruled admissible http://www.courttv.com/graphics/13th/shim.gifhttp://www.courttv.com/graphics/photos/trials/spector/inside/lede/spector-inside-102705.jpg http://www.courttv.com/graphics/news/topnews_content/insertbox_bg_top.gifLegendary music producer Phil Spector is accused of murdering an actress in 2003 at his mansion. http://www.courttv.com/graphics/news/topnews_content/insertbox_bg_bot.gifBy Lisa Sweetingham
Court TV

LOS ANGELES Music producer Phil Spector's alleged admission to a police officer that he shot actress Lana Clarkson is fair game for prosecutors to introduce to jurors at Spector's upcoming murder trial, a Los Angeles judge ruled Thursday.

"I didn't mean to shoot her. It was an accident. I have an explanation for this," Spector allegedly told Alhambra police officer Beatrice Rodriguez on Feb. 3, 2003, the night Clarkson was found shot in the head at Spector's mansion.

No other officers heard the alleged statement. "It's only the bare recollection of a woman doing her job with all of this chaos and danger and violence around her," defense attorney Bruce Cutler said, trying to undermine Rodriguez's allegations.

(http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1027/spector_ctv.html#continue)http://www.courttv.com/graphics/misc/continue_story_arrow.gif (http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1027/spector_ctv.html#continue)advertisement
What Spector likely said, according to Cutler, was, "I didn't shoot her. It was an accident."

Spector, 65, claims Clarkson shot herself, and his attorney argued that the .38 special revolver that delivered the fatal bullet did not even belong to Spector, despite evidence of a dozen other weapons in his home.

Cutler fought to keep out all of Spector's comments on the night of Clarkson's death. Most of his remarks "I'm sorry there's a dead woman here," and "If you're going to arrest me, just tell me what happened" were innocuous.

Cutler, who formerly represented Mob boss John Gotti, claimed that on the night of Clarkson's death, police "crashed" through the producer's home like "storm troopers," attacked him, hog-tied him, Tasered him and "figuratively punched him around until he said something." Cutler claimed that the statements were inadmissible because the police did not read Spector his Miranda rights.

Deputy District Attorney Douglas Sortino said there was no evidence that police were engaged in any misconduct, and noted that the Taser had absolutely no effect on the producer, who refused to comply with their demands to come out of the house with his hands visible.

Judge Larry Fidler said all the statements the producer made to authorities on the night of Clarkson's murder were admissible because they were voluntarily offered and he did not need to be Mirandized because he was never interrogated.

The judge also ruled that prosecutors could present evidence of additional weapons seized from Spector's home during a search warrant, but only if they contained ammunition that matched the ammo found in the gun that killed Clarkson.

A seized 12-gauge shotgun was also allowed as evidence, because prosecutors intend to call a witness who claims Spector once assaulted her with a gun in his home and then chased her down his driveway with a pump-action shotgun. She is one of four witnesses the judge previously ruled may testify about the producer's alleged proclivity to pointing guns at women.

Prosecutors may not, however, delve into Spector's 1975 misdemeanor conviction for brandishing a weapon. The judge couched his ruling, saying that if Spector were to take the stand in his own defense, and proclaim, for instance, that he had a distaste for guns, then prosecutors might be allowed to use the conviction to impeach him.

Spector was initially charged in 1975 with felony assault with a deadly weapon for coming after a woman with a gun in his hotel room. According to prosecutors, he took a plea deal and the charge was knocked down to a misdemeanor.

Judge Fidler set a trial date of Jan. 30, but that date may be moved to April 24, if Cutler is required to begin another trial in federal court in New York, in which he is defending two former police officers who are being brought up on murder charges.

Spector had a subdued hairdo and a subdued expression on his face when he arrived in court Thursday. He wore a tan three-piece suit and knee-length jacket, a silver dragonfly brooch on his lapel, and black boots with three-inch heels.

A young, attractive brunette held Spector's arm in hers and appeared to be physically supporting the glassy-eyed, 130-pound producer as he ambled into the courtroom. Three oversized body guards kept watch from the gallery.

Spector first met Clarkson at the House of Blues in West Hollywood, where she was a hostess, and invited her back to his home in his limo. The limo driver later told police he heard a gunshot and saw his boss with a gun in his hand saying he had shot a woman "inside the castle."

"We deny in the clearest terms that he shot that lady, and it was Mr. Spector's gun," Cutler argued Thursday, pounding his fist on the dais. "We also deny in the clearest terms that Mr. Spector ever admitted that he shot that lady."

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QUOTE:



"Phil Spector's statements after actress was shot to death ruled admissible"

I'm happy that Phil's statements will be admisssible in court too. It appears Mr. Spector can change his story as often as he should change his HAIR!!

Of course, Phil seems to get delay after delay...

Good day, and William N where are you?

Gozgals.

William N
10-31-2005, 12:37 AM
I'm here, and still waiting for the Trial of Phil Spector. Earlier, the judge had ruled that women who had seen Spector brandish guns could testify to such actions. Hopefully, the trial can get underway in January.

kato
10-31-2005, 10:17 AM
I'm waiting also. He just keeps getting more and more bizarre looking. If I saw that reflection when I looked in the mirror I would scream and run like hell.

William N
11-03-2005, 02:30 PM
According to Court TV, the next pre-trial hearing in the Spector case will be on December 2.

kato
11-03-2005, 02:33 PM
Thanks for the update.

William N
12-02-2005, 12:29 PM
A pre-trial hearing for Phil Spector is supposed to be held today. Hopefully, a Trial date will be announced.

PrayersForMaura
12-04-2005, 04:52 PM
SPECTOR TRIAL DATE SET

The start date for legendary music producer PHIL SPECTOR's murder trial has finally been set for 24 April (06).

The WALL OF SOUND producer, who has been on $1 million (GBP555,500) bail, will be tried at Los Angeles Superior court.

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/spector%20trial%20date%20set

kato
12-05-2005, 09:06 AM
I read or saw somewhere (can't remember) that he is engaged. Any woman who gets involved with him has a screw loose.

BillyGoatGruff
12-05-2005, 12:59 PM
Spector threatened the late Dee-Dee Ramone with a gun while they were in the studio recording END OF THE CENTURY (Spector's last album). In the last 5 years Joey, Johnny & Dee-Dee have all snuffed it, leaving Marky the last eye wittness. Wonder if he'll be taking the stand?

nanandjim
12-16-2005, 02:10 PM
I'm waiting also. He just keeps getting more and more bizarre looking. If I saw that reflection when I looked in the mirror I would scream and run like hell.
He looks like something out of a Frankenstein movie!! :eek:

englishleigh
12-16-2005, 06:39 PM
He is scary, a raving fruitcake, and looks it......and why the heck has this taken so long to come to trial?? Lana Clarkson has been dead almost 4 years!!! :waitasec:

ziggy
12-18-2005, 02:01 AM
Dear Mother of God - they should arrest the plastic surgeon who just did his face.

Mercy me.

His eyes are all bulged out and his skin is pulled tight but with eneven wrinkles. Looks like he had laser resurfacing too that makes the skin have a weird smooth texture that nature does not provide.

I'm sure he could afford a better surgeon.

William N
01-08-2006, 01:59 PM
On December 8, the lead prosecutor in the Spector case, Douglas Sortino, was appointed a Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He then stepped down from the Spector case.

Patrick Dixon, the Head of the Major Crimes Division, is still on the case. Another attorney from this division will be assigned. When the current trial date of this April 24 comes up, will it be delayed yet again?

BillyGoatGruff
01-08-2006, 05:41 PM
On December 8, the lead prosecutor in the Spector case, Douglas Sortino, was appointed a Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He then stepped down from the Spector case.

Patrick Dixon, the Head of the Major Crimes Division, is still on the case. Another attorney from this division will be assigned. When the current trial date of this April 24 comes up, will it be delayed yet again?
Very possible, given the change in representative council.

William N
01-27-2006, 09:32 AM
Spector's attorneys lost another ruling on Thursday. The judge ruled that portions of a deposition Spector gave in a civil suit against his former attorney Robert Shapiro were to be handed over to prosecutors and released to the public.

Shapiro had gotten a retainer of $1.5 million and kept it when Spector fired him. Shapiro had gotten a retainer of $1.2 million from O.J. Simpson according to Jeffrey Toobin's book on the Simpson case.

Bobbisangel
01-28-2006, 02:32 AM
Anyone know why he fired Robert S. in the first place? I'm surprised that he did that because I think Robert S. has a rep as a good attorney. Maybe he should call on "Hollywood Mark." He'd get a lot of media time if nothing else :crazy:

I plan on keeping track of this trial.....only if I don't have to look at Phil S. much. He is one scary looking guy.....ICK. I think he shot Lana whether on purpose or not he pulled the trigger. He was probably all doped out and didn't know what he was doing. No excuse though. From what I have heard about the placement of the gun, etc, there is no way this gal shot herself.

William N
01-28-2006, 08:55 AM
After firing Shapiro, Spector dismissed his next lawyer, Leslie Abramson. The reason seems to have been that Spector will not do what his attorneys tell him. Regarding the civil suit against Shapiro where he gave a deposition, my brother who is an attorney told me, "Spector must want to go to prison."

Bobbisangel
01-31-2006, 10:55 PM
After firing Shapiro, Spector dismissed his next lawyer, Leslie Abramson. The reason seems to have been that Spector will not do what his attorneys tell him. Regarding the civil suit against Shapiro where he gave a deposition, my brother who is an attorney told me, "Spector must want to go to prison."



Kind of like Robert Blake before his trial huh?! Maybe he should just represent himself.....could you imagine??!!

I heard that the Pros can use the depo during the trial. Do you have any idea what Spector said in the depo that will send him to prison?

William N
02-01-2006, 11:21 PM
He doesn't seem to have said a lot, but a prosecutor loves it when a defendant says ANYTHING before trial. Scott Peterson gave several TV interviews and note were he is now.

William N
04-26-2006, 04:02 PM
The Spector Trial is delayed again. First the defense lawyers aren't ready. Then, the defense lawyers have another trial. Next, the prosecutors have a trial in May. Now, the judge finds that he scheduled another trial on the same date in September, and moves Spector to January 2007. What will these lawyers and judges do next to put this trial off?

kato
04-27-2006, 08:18 AM
The Spector Trial is delayed again. First the defense lawyers aren't ready. Then, the defense lawyers have another trial. Next, the prosecutors have a trial in May. Now, the judge finds that he scheduled another trial on the same date in September, and moves Spector to January 2007. What will these lawyers and judges do next to put this trial off?

I was wondering the same thing when I read about the delay. Til 2007 no less. When will this fruit loop have to face the music?

bing1
05-03-2006, 05:41 PM
OMG!!!!

How does he get away with this? The family of that poor girl must be so irate........... :furious:

How long can this go on? Legally speaking I mean. How can the judge seriously look at how long it has been and then postpone for another year almost. I don't understand the justice system. It looks to an outsider that there was possibly bribes or something. I'm not saying there was, I'm just saying that from the outside looking in, something is fishy :rolleyes:

William N
12-19-2006, 09:09 PM
The Phil Spector case was featured on Nancy Grace tonight. It will repeat at 10pm and 1am ET tonight. The trial had been scheduled to begin on January 16. Journalist Art Harris said on NG that the trial has been delayed to next Spring. Is this true?

The prosecutors (Patrick Dixon and Alan Jackson) have been working on the Mickey Thompson murder trial the last several weeks. The Thompson Trial has just gone to the jury. Last Spring, the judge arbitrarily moved it back to January 2007. Has he moved it back again?

Gozgals
12-19-2006, 11:19 PM
William N, I watched the NG episode earlier too. It does not seem like Spector will ever get to court with all the delays. I hope justice can be served, it certainly isn't swift. I'm eager to know what occurred in his house.



Below is a link that has other related news about Phil.

Phil Spector News...


Lana Clarkson Murder Case
<snip>
Date Set for First Leg of Spector's Civil War. Phil Spector has another date to get ready for. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Lee Smalley Edmon set an Apr. 16, 2007, trial date in the lawsuit the notorious music producer filed in September against a former assistant for allegedly embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars from him. <snip>

http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/phil-spector.html

Happy Holidays

Gozgals

William N
12-21-2006, 03:37 PM
The April Trial Date is for the civil suit. As far as I know, the murder trial is still supposed to be next month. I haven't seen any news to the contrary on the web. The prosecutors on the Mickey Thompson case are the same men who were on the Spector case. The jury will stop deliberating until the New Year if they don't reach a verdict today on Michael Goodwin, the accused in the murder of race car driver Mickey Thompson.

Gozgals
12-22-2006, 12:23 AM
Journalist Art Harris said on NG that the trial has been delayed to next Spring. Is this true?
This must be true as I heard the same thing on Nancy G. as you did about the trial delay till Spring.
I searched the internet but could not find if/when the new date is set for.

Happy Holidays

Gozgals

William N
12-28-2006, 02:37 PM
Gozgals,

I searched the web just now and found that Court TV says that the Phil Spector Trial starts on January 16, less than 3 weeks. Go to the Court TV site map and scroll down the names on the left side until you find "Phil Spector."

Happy New Year,

William N

Gozgals
12-29-2006, 06:07 AM
William N, thank you for keeping me informed on when Phil is expected to go to trial. I hope there won't be a delay.


Below is the link on the trial. Thanks again. Maybe when the trial takes place, we can all have a discussion, those that are interested.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/index.html




Happy New Year to you too.
Gozgals

William N
12-30-2006, 11:07 PM
I just watched Kimberley Guilfoyle's "The Lineup." They said Spector would go on trial in March. A few post above, I reported that the prosecutors are waiting for a verdict in another trial. I suppose by March, they'll delay it again.

Gozgals
01-02-2007, 03:25 PM
I just watched Kimberley Guilfoyle's "The Lineup." They said Spector would go on trial in March. A few post above, I reported that the prosecutors are waiting for a verdict in another trial. I suppose by March, they'll delay it again.
IMO, Mr. Spector will see many more delays. His money seems to buy him time. This is unfair to his victim Lana and I am still at a loss as to what transpired at his home that night.
I feel in March there will be another delay WilliamN. Justice should be swift.

Gozgals

Gozgals
01-17-2007, 02:55 AM
Posted on Tue, Jan. 16, 2007
Jury selection date set in Spector trial

LINDA DEUTSCH
Associated PressLOS ANGELES - Jury selection will begin in March in the murder trial of music producer Phil Spector, who's charged with killing actress Lana Clarkson in his suburban mansion, a judge said Tuesday.

"We have to get this to trial," said Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler, who has granted numerous postponements in the case since Spector was arrested for the Feb. 3, 2003 slaying.

Fidler plans to call as many as 300 prospective jurors to his courtroom March 19 to begin the process of identifying those who could serve on a trial that might last three months.

Testimony is unlikely to start until three or four week later, he said.

Spector did not attend the hearing Tuesday, but was ordered to appear for jury selection.
The 67-year-old producer - famed for creating the "wall of sound" recording technique that revolutionized rock music - has pleaded innocent.

Clarkson, 40, was best known as the star of Roger Corman's cult film "Barbarian Queen." She was working as a hostess at the House of Blues on Sunset Strip and went home with Spector the night she was killed, police said. Authorities were called when a limousine driver heard a gun go off.
Spector is free on $1 million bail. He faces life in prison if convicted.

Spector has hired a battery of lawyers and forensic experts, including attorney Robert Blasier, a key figure in the O.J. Simpson trial.

Among his requests, Blasier asked for information surrounding the use of a Taser to subdue Spector the night he was arrested, saying its use could have influenced his statements that night. He also sought access to e-mails from Clarkson's computer, which might indicate whether she was depressed or suicidal at that time.

Spector has claimed Clarkson committed suicide. According to documents filed in the case, Spector told police that Clarkson was waving a gun around and that she ignored him when he told her to put it down.

The judge said the prosecution is obligated to turn over anything from the e-mails that might be helpful to the defense.

Spector, a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, was the producer of such classic hits as "Be My Baby," "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "You've Lost that Lovin' Feeling."

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/16475291.htm

Gozgals

William N
01-18-2007, 06:33 PM
The judge says, "We have to get this to trial." Well, It was scheduled for April 2006, so he delayed it to September. Then, he delayed it to January 2007. Now, the judge says "let's get it to trial in late March." Why not next week, Judge Fidler?

William N
02-08-2007, 10:37 AM
I just heard on Court TV, that the judge is leaning toward allowing cameras in the courtroom for the Phil Spector trial. He said that he has a problem with the public only hearing about the trial from commentators.

Gozgals
02-17-2007, 01:47 PM
Judge OKs televising of Phil Spector murder trial

The risk of media sideshows like those in the Simpson case is offset by the public benefits of broadcast, the jurist said.
By Peter Y. Hong, Times Staff Writer
February 17, 2007



A Los Angeles judge ruled Friday that the murder trial of renowned music producer Phil Spector can be televised.

Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler said that the risk of spawning "Dancing Itos" or other media sideshows reminiscent of the O.J. Simpson case is offset by the public benefits of live broadcasts.




http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector17feb17,1,1633852.story

Gozgals

William N
02-17-2007, 04:51 PM
Spector's lawyers were against the cameras. Spector was hoping he would be acquitted without a lot of public notice.

JBean
02-18-2007, 06:51 PM
I have a friend attending the trial and would like to link to her commentary if anyone would like to read:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/ (http://www.truecrimesolvers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3782)

scandi
02-18-2007, 07:24 PM
Thanks Bean, That was really interesting! Is she the poster that was so good at the SP trial, who was reporting to us live?

Gozgals
02-19-2007, 05:20 PM
I have a friend attending the trial and would like to link to her commentary if anyone would like to read:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/ (http://www.truecrimesolvers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3782)
:) Thank you JBean and your friend for the very interesting behind the scenes read. I look forward to reading more of the insights and commentary from the trial.

Have a great day.

Gozgals

JBean
02-20-2007, 01:05 AM
Thanks Bean, That was really interesting! Is she the poster that was so good at the SP trial, who was reporting to us live?NO scandi..that was Katiecoloady wasn't it? But this friend covered the Balke trial from beginning to end. She went everyday and reading about all the trial itself and all the people she met was really a neat perspective.
I went with her one day and everyone knew who she was from being a "regular"

JBean
02-20-2007, 01:06 AM
:) Thank you JBean and your friend for the very interesting behind the scenes read. I look forward to reading more of the insights and commentary from the trial.

Have a great day.

GozgalsOh I am glad you enjoyed it Gozgals. She loves to go to the trials and I know she will write up as much as she can!

William N
02-20-2007, 04:09 PM
There are four ways a defense attorney can defend murder:

1. My client didn't do it.
2. It wasn't murder. The victim died by accident or suicide.
3. It was legally justified, self-defense, for example.
4. It was excusable. This category is extremely open-ended.

The Spector defense it seems, is No.2. Didn't Spector say in an interview that "she kissed the gun?"

Is the prosecution charging 1st Degree Murder only? It would appear that a jury would be more likely to find 2nd Degree. Is there an option for 2nd Degree or Voluntary Manslaughter?

Kat
03-25-2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1607720/20090325/spector_phil.jhtml


Mar 25 2009 1:28 PM EDT

Phil Spector Awaits Jury Deliberation In Second Murder Trial

Six years after actress Lana Clarkson died in Phil Spector's mansion, the jury in the Wall of Sound producer's second murder trial is expected to begin deliberations on Wednesday (March 25).



More at link

ohiogirl
03-26-2009, 09:46 AM
More on the closings.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/full-court-press/phil-spector-the-burden-of-tru/#more

ohiogirl
03-26-2009, 09:49 AM
More on closings.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector26-2009mar26,0,3965481.story

Weinberg says how do you know he didn't say "Call somebody"? Well, if he did I would think he would have gotten on the stand and said so. Anyone?

AlwaysShocked
03-27-2009, 08:45 AM
Don't know if this is the proper place for this, but...........

The jurors are out as of yesterday in Phil Spector's second trial for the murder of Lana Clarkson. (The first trial ended in a hung jury, 10 for conviction 2 to acquit).

This trial is for second degree murder (as was the last one) but last week Judge Fidler added the option of involuntary manslaughter. The defense opposed the addition of this charge.

Unlike the first trial, his trial was not televised. Linda Kenney Baden was one of the attorneys at the first trial - which is when all the comments about her unkempt appearance were generated.

Many of the players in the Casey Anthony trial were also involved in the first Spector trial, including Dr. Henry Lee, who during the trial was found by Judge Fidler to have withheld evidence.

For those of us who followed the trial and also for her family, this has been a long day in coming.

I am hoping for a guilty verdict.

ohiogirl
03-27-2009, 09:43 AM
Phil Spector Trial Jurors Get The Case

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/full-court-press/phil-spector-trial-jurors-get/

SuziQ
03-28-2009, 09:51 AM
I haven't followed the second trial. Who were the pathalogists this time around? Are any of them on Casey Anthony's team? I thought what the prosecutor said in closing arguements was very true.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector26-2009mar26,0,3965481.story

(snip)
The prosecutor, who is to conclude his remarks this morning, said it was the defense expert witnesses who called the shooting consistent with suicide who couldn't be trusted. He ridiculed two defense pathologists and a bloodstain expert as "pay to say" hired guns who betrayed their scientific principles to get big paychecks.

"How does homicide become a suicide? You write a big fat check," Jackson said. He referred to the amount one witness received as a "horse-choking $181,000" and said the defense's $419,000 bill for all its forensic experts was evidence that "if you can't change the science, you buy the scientist."

biggirl
03-31-2009, 04:23 PM
Has there been a verdict????

Gypsy Road
03-31-2009, 04:41 PM
No verdict yet. Court was dark yesterday and today for a Cali state holiday. The jury will be back at it tomorrow.

panthera
03-31-2009, 09:03 PM
Has there been a verdict????
The jury will resume deliberations tomorrow and hopefully have a verdict! :)

Kathiega
03-31-2009, 10:29 PM
Has anyone read, The Elephant in the Crime Lab? I ran across it looking for more information on the forensic experts hired by P.S.
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/14/
Expert witnesses get hired to support the premises of the side in litigation that hires them, and expert witnesses get paid for their testimony. Some get paid very well. Dr. Vincent DiMaio, expert witness for the defense in the 2007 Phil Spector murder case in Los Angeles, California, admitted on the witness stand to earning $400 per hour for his services, (People v. Spector, 2007). The expert witness who can't or won't support the premises of the side that retains him is the consulting expert. The consulting expert is paid for review work and an initial, informal report. If the report goes against the client, the expert is put on a back burner. The consulting expert's conclusions are a work product, so they are protected from disclosure to the other side in discovery. The consulting expert can't be retained by the other side. Disagreeable results remain confidential, and the consulting expert stays, for the most part, anonymous.

Kathiega
04-01-2009, 12:24 PM
Doron Weinberg and Susan Matross (defense attorneys) have written an article for the LA Times called "Science and the Spector prosecution." http://tiny.cc/Y6FSy
Let's hope the jurors didn't read the paper yesterday.

biggirl
04-01-2009, 07:12 PM
Are they deliberating today??

panthera
04-01-2009, 10:35 PM
Are they deliberating today??
They were until...

Phil Spector juror falls ill (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/phil-spector.html)

2:28 PM | April 1, 2009
Deliberations in Phil Spector's murder retrial, already proceeding slowly because of two court holidays, were cut short today after a juror became ill.
The male panelist displayed "all the symptoms of the flu," Superior Court Judge Larry Paul Fidler told attorneys at midday after dismissing the jury. The jurors began weighing evidence against the 69-year-old pop producer on Thursday, but did not convene Monday or Tuesday.
Spector is accused of second-degree murder in the 2003 shooting of actress Lana Clarkson at his estate. His defense contends that she committed suicide.
-- Harriet Ryan

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/phil-spector.html

Kathiega
04-02-2009, 02:09 PM
They will be out until Monday.

biggirl
04-02-2009, 05:20 PM
They will be out until Monday.

I hope like heck that this jury reaches a verdict.

JBean
04-02-2009, 07:42 PM
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

panthera
04-04-2009, 09:53 PM
I hope like heck that this jury reaches a verdict.
I hope they're all healthy Monday and yes, reach a verdict!

Bluebelle
04-06-2009, 07:50 AM
Sprocket's detailed coverage is fabulous and she is now doing live updates from the courthouse during deliberations, it's really cool. Hopefully we have healthy jurors this week & they can reach a verdict (guilty, please!) :gavel:

ohiogirl
04-06-2009, 09:39 AM
This has taken way too long. These juries in California take more time off than any I have ever followed before. Get this over with, PLEASE!!!

JBean
04-06-2009, 08:53 PM
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Sprocket's detailed coverage is fabulous and she is now doing live updates from the courthouse during deliberations, it's really cool. Hopefully we have healthy jurors this week & they can reach a verdict (guilty, please!) :gavel:
I cannot believe they are still deliberating.Oh wait yes I can.


Sprocket went to the first trial too and Spector is not one of her fans.LOL

biggirl
04-07-2009, 07:01 PM
What is going on?? Have they deliberated for 2 solid days now?? :eek:This is worrying me.

Bluebelle
04-08-2009, 04:22 AM
Argh, another day with no verdict! But they’re deliberating and that’s what matters (as long as they convict, lol). I’m trying so hard to be patient, thank goodness Sprocket is at the courthouse again doing live updates & answering questions.

“3:58 pm: Some of the jury seemed jovial, some had no expressions. Court resumes 9:30 am tomorrow.”

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/


IMO he's guilty, I just don't think this beautiful woman rummaged through this creepy-looking guy’s house, found a gun in a drawer & then shot herself in the mouth while heading toward the door with her purse over her shoulder. Spector even told police he accidentally killed her (wish they would've given that tape to the jury). Plus he didn't call 911, he washed his hands, he wiped her face, he put the gun under her leg, he fought with police, gun-threatening was his MO with women who weren't interested in him, etc etc etc. :cursing:

Gozgals
04-08-2009, 11:09 PM
Lana bought 8 pairs of shoes the day before she killed herself, does this sound like someone who would take their life??? This is insane.

Spector killed her either by accident or on purpose as he was known to always wave guns around and hold people hostage, or their music.

Waiting for the verdict too. It's taking way too long.

Always
Gozgals

RayStar
04-09-2009, 03:21 PM
Gozgals I agree with your last post here. However, I remember being taught never point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it. He was drunk and did not realize his strength. Intentional murder in my thinking.
Really wish the jury would reach to a verdict.

Tonia
04-09-2009, 09:30 PM
Phil Spector jury again interrupted by illness
For a second time, deliberations in Phil Spector’s murder retrial have been interrupted by juror illness. The panel, which began weighing evidence March 26, went home at midday today after a juror became sick.

Because of court holidays and a prior instance where a juror was ill, the panel has deliberated only about 27 hours over seven days.

The jurors are also considering a lesser count -- involuntary manslaughter.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/phil-spector-2.html

Gozgals
04-10-2009, 02:02 AM
Gozgals I agree with your last post here. However, I remember being taught never point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it. He was drunk and did not realize his strength. Intentional murder in my thinking.
Really wish the jury would reach to a verdict.

HI RayStar:

I was taught the same thing. Only point a gun if you plan on using it. I think he was drunk and off his psych. meds. too. You really think he intentionally killed beautiful Lana? What a shame.

This jury is taking forever.

Good day RayStar

Goz

KoldKase
04-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Good lord! What do they have alternate jurors for, anyway? These delays are ridiculous.

Now they left EARLY for Good Friday! Obviously, there is no one in that courtroom who gives a rat's azz about Lana getting justice!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/still-no-verdict-from-spector-jury.html

These people are pathetic!

Gozgals
04-10-2009, 11:19 PM
I agree, we may never see a verdict in this case.

Gozgals

what a sad state of affairs

sassy_texasbelle2
04-12-2009, 04:55 PM
Good lord! What do they have alternate jurors for, anyway? These delays are ridiculous.

Now they left EARLY for Good Friday! Obviously, there is no one in that courtroom who gives a rat's azz about Lana getting justice!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/still-no-verdict-from-spector-jury.html

These people are pathetic!

Agree 100% They are toooo dam worried about food, breaks, and getting out on time to worry about justice. Worthless!

galvino
04-13-2009, 03:13 PM
They have reached a Verdict!!!! It will be announced at 4:30 EDT!

TopGunner
04-13-2009, 03:46 PM
I opened a new thread to discuss the verdict, continue here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3598118#post3598118