The Fourth Nail

[BillyGoatGruff]

It's interesting in that giving the reason for his naming his blog THE FIFTH NAIL, Duncan completely screws up the myth. There were supposed to be FOUR nails, not FIVE. And the legend of the Fourth Nail was created as an all-purpose "excuse" for why Gypsies steal. Since a Gypsy stole the fourth nail, intended for Christ's heart, they were given "divine dispensation" to be thieves.
(It's interesting to note that the next (last) INDIAN JONES movie is supposed to be about the search for the 4th Nail.)
So basically he's claiming God says it's okay for pedophiles to sexually abuse children.

http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20031109/FP_004.htm

[BillyGoatGruff]

It's interesting in that giving the reason for his naming his blog THE FIFTH NAIL, Duncan completely screws up the myth. There were supposed to be FOUR nails, not FIVE. And the legend of the Fourth Nail was created as an all-purpose "excuse" for why Gypsies steal. Since a Gypsy stole the fourth nail, intended for Christ's heart, they were given "divine dispensation" to be thieves.
(It's interesting to note that the next (last) INDIAN JONES movie is supposed to be about the search for the 4th Nail.)
So basically he's claiming God says it's okay for pedophiles to sexually abuse children.

http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20031109/FP_004.htm

BTW: Forgot to mention that Duncan clearly never looked at a picture of the crucifixition before naming his blog. There are only 3 nails.

[Cowgirl]

BTW: Forgot to mention that Duncan clearly never looked at a picture of the crucifixition before naming his blog. There are only 3 nails.I tried to ask about this before and got bashed for it. I am an atheist but I was raised Catholic, so I know what a crucifix looks like. I only counted three nails, one in each hand and one through Christ's feet, so I wondered how they got five out of that. Well, since you were brave enough to discuss this, can you tell me about that picture of the crucifix that appears on his blog? It shows a penis quite obviously, and all the Catholic representations I ever saw did not show a penis at all. Is that something new? I am not trying to stir the pot here, I am just curious.

[grisall]

Or perhaps "The Fifth Nail" does not refer to the crucifixion at all.

In the kama sutra there is a section on pinching and biting with different pinches given different names. One pinch with five nails is called the Peacock's Foot (from what I can tell).

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/kama/kama204.htm

And there are probably other things that involve the 5th Nail of one sort or another.

[Cowgirl]

Or perhaps "The Fifth Nail" does not refer to the crucifixion at all.

In the kama sutra there is a section on pinching and biting with different pinches given different names. One pinch with five nails is called the Peacock's Foot (from what I can tell).

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/kama/kama204.htm

And there are probably other things that involve the 5th Nail of one sort or another.That's interesting. Earlier I would have said that Duncan tells his fifth nail story right on his blog. But he is such a damn liar that anything could be the real story!

[JavaJunkie]

Or perhaps "The Fifth Nail" does not refer to the crucifixion at all.

In the kama sutra there is a section on pinching and biting with different pinches given different names. One pinch with five nails is called the Peacock's Foot (from what I can tell).

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/kama/kama204.htm

And there are probably other things that involve the 5th Nail of one sort or another.:eek:
I seriously think you are onto something here... I can't say I understand all that is written on the link... but, it sure sounds like JED's cup of tea... TY for posting this... my wheels are spinning in overdrive...

I know nothing of the Christian myth really, I always thought there was a nail for each hand and foot, making 4, then the 5th was missing.. now I've seen many depictions of Jesus on the cross, but never studied it I suppose...
JED's so full of himself... I was thinking maybe he thought, HE was the 2nd coming of Christ... returned to Earth (from prison), to "gather" his "children".
I'm stuck on the #2 anyway, seems to be in everything that connects to JED.
There's my :twocents: I'm sure getting an education, I'd hoped to NEVER need here, sheesh!

[JavaJunkie]

That's interesting. Earlier I would have said that Duncan tells his fifth nail story right on his blog. But he is such a damn liar that anything could be the real story!
I think both can be true... see if I can type this out so it makes any sense... I too thought his blog told his tale... then I too think he is incapable of telling the straight truth long enough to complete a sentence... I think if the blog was "interpreted", it is a cover story, written in narration, that tells the true story, if one is to read behind the typed words.

The 5th nail... his front story is the 5th nail ending suffering, the gypsies stole it, Jesus was made to suffer, as a result.
JED is born 4th of 5 (later his Dad had 2 more children)... The younger sibling, is a sister.. so I thought she was the 5th nail... JED made to suffer, because in some way she was "hidden".. maybe protected from abuse JED suffered... or maybe his abuse began at the time she was born... just 1 rough example.. does that make any sense?

A simpler one - to my thought process, is his "zombie dream" He says he dreams of a mad ride, in a zombie state, from a campground, to pick up his wife and children... That's not so far off from what he did... Is there ANY chance at some point in life JED "saw" Brenda?? Steve got what JED never could, a wife, JED couldn't even interact with his peers, much less attract a g/f... Steve & Brenda divorce.. JED may hold a lot of bitterness from his own parents divorce... who is the ultimate victim, right this minute? To me, Steve. He's burying two sons, too young, heinously brutalized... Brenda whether his ex or not - 15 years of raising a family, has also been killed.. If it weren't for amazing agents, Dylan never would have been found, leaving Steve mental torment of never "knowing", nor able to ever put him to rest in peace, at home...
Shasta is returned to him, defiled in the worst way, to harbor this horror in her heart forever... Wouldn't that be about the worst thing one could inflict upon a father? Instead of killing her physically, in a sense he killed her on the inside, and she will bear that weight of pain forever. I know the family has never seen JED... but did he see them? (sorry I don't buy the random drive by, this "mission" was way too meticulous, IMO.)

Has anyone else looked at his writing in that way? Looking for the real story not too far under the surface? Someone who knows their religion, would be able to "interpret" this MUCH better than me. I believe in something, I just don't know exactly what, yet. :angel:
So, I don't know the Bible or history or myths well at all.

The link above for Kama Sutra, first thing I noticed was "sacred texts".. I really think this all goes together somehow. Sigh, well maybe. :banghead:

[Cowgirl]

Well, about the blog... most people's blogs are to write personal thoughts they would rather not say to their friends, or cannot say due to considerations at work, or family, whatever. The blog never rang true to me. The more I learn, the more it is just a phony piece of crap. But it was like "the world according to what Duncan would like it to be" if he could make it that way. He wanted to be society's victim, trying his best to reform his life but "the man" won't let him... he thought that sounded good I guess. It is ex con whining, and that is all it is.

Now we know he has all kinds of sides to his personality but all of them are sick. So the blog was all over the place. Sometimes private nonsense, sometimes real sadness, sometimes hope for the future, but all of it bull shiit. In fact, I don't think he even knew what it was all about.

For a while I thought he was like many criminals who get out and give it a real try and then realize they cannot make it on the outside. But this guy was just sick and knew it from day one. His idea was to establish a double life for himself and always knew he was going to act on his sick fantasies sooner or later. But if there is anything he is portraying under the surface, then it is a pseudo-Satan, because I don't think his God stuff is legit. No one could believe in a hereafter and consequences and do those things he did. We know he has no demons. So would any God, so he is full of crap there too.

Being full of crap and a con artist are the only things he learned in prison...

[Cowgirl]

:eek:
I seriously think you are onto something here... I can't say I understand all that is written on the link... but, it sure sounds like JED's cup of tea... TY for posting this... my wheels are spinning in overdrive...

I know nothing of the Christian myth really, I always thought there was a nail for each hand and foot, making 4, then the 5th was missing.. now I've seen many depictions of Jesus on the cross, but never studied it I suppose...
JED's so full of himself... I was thinking maybe he thought, HE was the 2nd coming of Christ... returned to Earth (from prison), to "gather" his "children".
I'm stuck on the #2 anyway, seems to be in everything that connects to JED.
There's my :twocents: I'm sure getting an education, I'd hoped to NEVER need here, sheesh!Every crucifix I ever saw (and there were many being raised a Catholic) Christ was depicted with no sex organs showing (sheet wrapped around his lower area) or if naked, just no penis showing at all. There was a nail through each hand and one nail through both feet, with one foot on top of the other. I remember it as a kid, thinking how painful that would be.

[BillyGoatGruff]

Every crucifix I ever saw (and there were many being raised a Catholic) Christ was depicted with no sex organs showing (sheet wrapped around his lower area) or if naked, just no penis showing at all. There was a nail through each hand and one nail through both feet, with one foot on top of the other. I remember it as a kid, thinking how painful that would be.
Crucifixion as practiced by the romans was meant as a death by slow torture. The crucified actually slowly died of suffocation, as the position they were in gradually collpased the lungs, along with death from exposure. Hence the roman soldier driving his spear into Christ's side as a means of showing mercy, such as it was, and the other giving him a sponge soaked in vinegar as a means of torment. The nails were driven through wrist bones or bones in the hands, avoiding major arteries. The intent was not to bleed to death. Same with the nail driven though the feet. There were several different forms of crosses, some T-form, some Y, others X.
It was usually a death reserved for enemies of the state and trouble-makers who were not Roman. Roman citizens were invariably given the choice of suicide rather than public execution, which also kept their lands from being seized by the state.
As fo the Fifth Nail & Christ, assuming he simply didn't screw the story up, he was probably makign reference to Christ's genitalia. The crucifix as described sounds like the ones used by old school Satanists, which not only have a visible penis, but one that is erect as well.

[Shelayne]

As fo the Fifth Nail & Christ, assuming he simply didn't screw the story up, he was probably makign reference to Christ's genitalia. The crucifix as described sounds like the ones used by old school Satanists, which not only have a visible penis, but one that is erect as well.

I think I'm going to be sick.

The victims of crucifixion were stripped of their clothing. It was the lowest, most humiliating form of punishment. The reason that Jesus has a drape over Him in art, etc., is out of reverence. Most assuredly, He had no drape.

As for the nails, no one really knows how many nails were used in His crucifixion, as BGG stated, there were various forms of the torture device erected. There have been archaeologists that have discovered remains from around that time, that have nails through the achilles tendon, which would have his feet on either side of the post. So either 3 nails or 4 would be correct. But this fifth nail does not come from the Christian story.

[BillyGoatGruff]

I think I'm going to be sick.

The victims of crucifixion were stripped of their clothing. It was the lowest, most humiliating form of punishment. The reason that Jesus has a drape over Him in art, etc., is out of reverence. Most assuredly, He had no drape.

As for the nails, no one really knows how many nails were used in His crucifixion, as BGG stated, there were various forms of the torture device erected. There have been archaeologists that have discovered remains from around that time, that have nails through the achilles tendon, which would have his feet on either side of the post. So either 3 nails or 4 would be correct. But this fifth nail does not come from the Christian story.
4 nails would have been required if it was a X-shaped cross (which sereval of the early martyrs died on, and I think it's called Saint Andrew's Cross or something similar), St. Peter, supposedly, was crucified upside down at his own request, as he did nto deem himself fit to die in the exact manner of his master. The story of the 4th Nail comes from the Apocrypha, if memory serves, which includes a lot of blatantly pagan-based legends & myths re Christ's childhood adventures, etc. which early Church Leaders decided weren't "believable" enough to be included into the New Testament around the 5th Century AD. This is also where the story of the Spear Of Destiny (the spear that pierced Christ's side) and the Eternal Soldier (the roman legionnaire that wielded the spear) come from as well. Hitler reportedly spent a lot of time & effort searching for the Spear of Destiny, ownership of which reputedly brings triumph in battle, regardles of the odds. Attila was rumored to have last owned it, having stolen it from a reliquary.

[bunniluv]

I was wondering if anyone has a link (or saved as a .jpg) to the photo of the crucifixion JED used on the Fifth Nail site?? I have yet to see it as it's always appeared as just a box with the dreaded red x.

[Brie]

As fo the Fifth Nail & Christ, assuming he simply didn't screw the story up, he was probably makign reference to Christ's genitalia. The crucifix as described sounds like the ones used by old school Satanists, which not only have a visible penis, but one that is erect as well.
This is my first inclination on this sick and twisted subject.....
It seems to me that it is some reference to his obvious sexual perversion and deviancy which contolled him. No matter what kind of myth it is based on - he's a monster....

So did he actually attempt to explain the title of his blog on the blog or not?

[Shazzie]

This is my first inclination on this sick and twisted subject.....
It seems to me that it is some reference to his obvious sexual perversion and deviancy which contolled him. No matter what kind of myth it is based on - he's a monster....

So did he actually attempt to explain the title of his blog on the blog or not?
Yes, he explicitly stated that had taken the title from the legend about the gypsies and the crucifixion of Christ that is being discussed in this thread.

[Shazzie]

I was wondering if anyone has a link (or saved as a .jpg) to the photo of the crucifixion JED used on the Fifth Nail site?? I have yet to see it as it's always appeared as just a box with the dreaded red x.
Same here. I didn't even know what the image was that was not showing up.

I wonder why it seems to show up on some computers and not on others? :confused:

[Cowgirl]

Same here. I didn't even know what the image was that was not showing up.

I wonder why it seems to show up on some computers and not on others? :confused:Well, I saw it once, but now I just get the red X too. I'm a computer idiot so I have no idea why some links work and some don't, but I usually chalk it up to the browser I am using at the moment. And I use a handful of them. It was a very standard crucifix with the crown of thorns (and appeared to be made of stainless steel--that color, that sheen). But the thing I found offensive was the full genitalia showing. I have never seen that in a Catholic church! There was no erection though. Gawd. It was the standard cross, with three nails used to crucify him. Most other crucifictions that I have seen depicted they used rope to tie them to the cross...

[Shazzie]

Well, I saw it once, but now I just get the red X too. I'm a computer idiot so I have no idea why some links work and some don't, but I usually chalk it up to the browser I am using at the moment. And I use a handful of them. It was a very standard crucifix with the crown of thorns (and appeared to be made of stainless steel--that color, that sheen). But the thing I found offensive was the full genitalia showing. I have never seen that in a Catholic church! There was no erection though. Gawd. It was the standard cross, with three nails used to crucify him. Most other crucifictions that I have seen depicted they used rope to tie them to the cross...
Now that I've read this description, I think I'm glad I didn't see it, lol!

I agree, the reasons for pics not showing up usually do have something to do with browsers. Security settings can have a bearing as well, I think. In this case, I don't think I mind having missed out one bit. :silenced:

As for the nudity, I have never seen a completely nude, "anatomically correct" christ depicted in a crucifixion scene, either. Seems disrespectful to me. I'm not even a Christian, and I find it offensive!

[bunniluv]

Cap't Fantastic over at The Cellar posted this link for the crucifixion photo. While it does show genitalia, I didnt find it to be offensive...so click at your discretion.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040620121336/http://www.fifthnail.com/images/christ_s.jpg

I wanted to see the photo and the placement of the legs. In some of the reading I have done, it states that sometimes the crucifixion was done where the feet were nailed to either side of the upright post. Eventhough you can't see the entire length of the legs in this photo, it is apparent that the feet were nailed one on top of the other as you customarily see.

I too, have been searching for this Fifth Nail.:waitasec:

[Becba]

Cap't Fantastic over at The Cellar posted this link for the crucifixion photo. While it does show genitalia, I didnt find it to be offensive...so click at your discretion.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040620121336/http://www.fifthnail.com/images/christ_s.jpg

I wanted to see the photo and the placement of the legs. In some of the reading I have done, it states that sometimes the crucifixion was done where the feet were nailed to either side of the upright post. Eventhough you can't see the entire length of the legs in this photo, it is apparent that the feet were nailed one on top of the other as you customarily see.

I too, have been searching for this Fifth Nail.:waitasec:
Well, regardless of one or two nails in the feet, Jesus was supposed to have died by being left on the cross to suffer. Not by a nail thru his heart. The comparison on the blog makes me think he was symbolising himself with driving a nail straight thru the heart of Jesus, as if Jesus were representing love, charity and such. He was IMO referring to killing all that mankinds knows as good in the world.
JMO And I am athiestist also. I have no problem with anyones beliefs as long as they a morally good. His whole refernces to going to church and praying are like an oxymoron when you think of what he is.

[tired.old.hag]

A sedile, or a seat, was often attached to the cross, for the purpose of taking the man's weight off the wrists. This was most likely a simple peg or slab of wood, upon which the man would rest. A nail was often pounded through the penis, into the sedile, as a means of securing the male to the seat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion


I wonder if this is what he was referring to, since the picture on his site showed a penis on Jesus (extremely unusual), and JED's penis seems to have caused him a lifetime of 'problems'...

I wonder if he photoshopped that picture and put a pic of his own penis on it.

[Becba]

A sedile, or a seat, was often attached to the cross, for the purpose of taking the man's weight off the wrists. This was most likely a simple peg or slab of wood, upon which the man would rest. A nail was often pounded through the penis, into the sedile, as a means of securing the male to the seat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion


I wonder if this is what he was referring to, since the picture on his site showed a penis on Jesus (extremely unusual), and JED's penis seems to have caused him a lifetime of 'problems'...

I wonder if he photoshopped that picture and put a pic of his own penis on it.
So in this sedile seat they likely had to put a nail in each foot due to the position. Plus the hands, the one in the penis would make 5. And Duncan is sadistic.
I think you got it.

as for the picture being photoshopped, eeek!

[dragonfly]

When I read your posts above a spike driven thru the penis...I could not help but think back to early reports that the two male victims at the Groene residence were sexually mutilated...does anyone else remember this?
Could be this was the reason for the fith nail = sexual mutilation?

[Becba]

When I read your posts above a spike driven thru the penis...I could not help but think back to early reports that the two male victims at the Groene residence were sexually mutilated...does anyone else remember this?
Could be this was the reason for the fith nail = sexual mutilation?
I remember that. It was the first thing I thought of too. At the time I discounted it because I had read the bodies were not sexually molested. But perhaps mutilation of the genitals does not fall in the catagory that rape or molestation does?
Does anyone know?

[dragonfly]

This was originally post by North Idaho native on 6/24/2005 under the thread Shasta and Dylan 6/17 cont. Note it was posted as a rumor and I wanted to go back and check where I had read this information. This poster did an excellant job of let us know what the local's were hearing and also tempering the comments as "rumor" and giving the reliability scores to each post. Interesting reading now that we know more about the actual crime to go back and re-read this post.

"Rumor, heard second hand: Slade Groene was the worst tortured of the three. LE believe that he was the first to be tortured perhaps even while Brenda and Mark were forced to watch. He was sexually mutulated. (as was Mark) (reliability on a 1-10, I would say 8)

[BillyGoatGruff]

A sedile, or a seat, was often attached to the cross, for the purpose of taking the man's weight off the wrists. This was most likely a simple peg or slab of wood, upon which the man would rest. A nail was often pounded through the penis, into the sedile, as a means of securing the male to the seat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion


I wonder if this is what he was referring to, since the picture on his site showed a penis on Jesus (extremely unusual), and JED's penis seems to have caused him a lifetime of 'problems'...

I wonder if he photoshopped that picture and put a pic of his own penis on it.Nah. You can find full frontal naked Jesii crucifixes for sale commercially if you look for them.
It's probably historically accurate, given all the documentation from the period. Criminals were usally stripped naked prior to crucifixion.

[AdoraBlue]

Coeur d'Alene translates as "awl-heart" or "heart as/like an awl."

Wasn't the Fifth (or Fourth) nail meant for Jesus' heart?

[Cowgirl]

Coeur d'Alene translates as "awl-heart" or "heart as/like an awl."

Wasn't the Fifth (or Fourth) nail meant for Jesus' heart?So you think this mad man picked a family who lived outside of C'oeur d'Alene by quite a few miles because the name of a nearby city had a French name that tied into the title of his blog to murder and molest? I think that is a bit of a stretch.

[AdoraBlue]

So you think this mad man picked a family who lived outside of C'oeur d'Alene by quite a few miles because the name of a nearby city had a French name that tied into the title of his blog to murder and molest? I think that is a bit of a stretch.
No, not necessarily . . . however, with Duncan and his twisted evils, who knows the meaning of anything he did/said for sure?

Maybe I liked The Da Vinci Code too much, the symbology that is.:o

[BillyGoatGruff]

Coeur d'Alene translates as "awl-heart" or "heart as/like an awl."

Wasn't the Fifth (or Fourth) nail meant for Jesus' heart?
I think we're giving a mudering child moleser too much credit. Hannibal Lecter only exists in fiction. Coeur d'Alene was the French traders name for the native Salishan-speaking Indian tribe that lived along the lake. Apparently they drove hard bargins for their furs, hence the name "heart like an awl".
Duncan picked Coeur d'Alene because it was the first big enough city where strangers going in and out of local businesses would not be noticed immediately by the locals, nothing more.

[Cowgirl]

I think we're giving a mudering child moleser too much credit. Hannibal Lecter only exists in fiction. Coeur d'Alene was the French traders name for the native Salishan-speaking Indian tribe that lived along the lake. Apparently they drove hard bargins for their furs, hence the name "heart like an awl".
Duncan picked Coeur d'Alene because it was the first big enough city where strangers going in and out of local businesses would not be noticed immediately by the locals, nothing more.I agree, Billy GG, and I stay away from the number, name, and Panda threads. It is just too much to tie someone this hellbent on murder to such things as geocaching with other child molesters. This creep was only concerned with himself, not sharing anything with anyone else.

Anyone who was alive when Kennedy was assassinated might remember going to school the next week and seeing lists and lists of coincidences with the Lincoln assassination like "Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln and Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy..." I was only in the third grade but I remember it well. There were lists and lists of them and they all meant what? Exactly nothing. There is nothing mystical about murder.

Coeur d'Alene? I don't know how he happened to decide when and where to commit this atrocity. He wasn't exactly in Coeur d'Alene and he had been on the road for weeks, hanging in national parks, perhaps headed for his mother's but knowing the cops could be waiting for him there. He picked on the Groene's because he saw the kids playing in the yard from the Interstate. They lived right on the frontage road to the interstate. He was on the run and had been for about a month when he murdered the family. But he planned that area because it was a wilderness and he knew he could avoid detection there out in the woods. And he did, for much longer than one would expect. If he had not kept Shasta alive and brought her into public, he might still be on the run.

[AdoraBlue]

1. Sadly, monsters similar to the characters of Hannibal Lecter and Jame Gumb do exist in real life. JED is one of them.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/lecter/1.html (for reference only)

I believe there is much knowledge to be gained from the study of these vicious killers and hopefully that knowledge may one day be used to "pre-empt" such mayhem as JED perpetrated, so therefore I don't think any detail or possibility is above or beyond questioning. ;) Plus I'll admit to a morbid curiosity.

All along, [Sheriff Rocky] Watson had trouble making sense of the crime.
"When you walk into that type of violent crime scene, those things are usually driven by sex, money or drugs, and nothing fit," he said. "This incident is going to rewrite a chapter in profiling. It doesn't fit what we're used to.

"I've not seen anything and not read anything like this."
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/sections/groene/story.asp?ID=79058


2. What do you think of the significance of this (see below italicized post)? (I searched for link other than the post, however, my connection is so slow I have trouble with video links, and it seems the "head to toe" thing was probably from broadcast news, not print media -- if anyone can recall a print media link regarding this, please post it for me. Thanks.)

Investigators apparently are saying scum-bucket, JED, did use zip ties and duct tape in restraining his victims and to prevent them from yelling. It's reported that he lined all of his victims up, in head to toe fashion, one after the other, after they were murdered.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=725833&postcount=39

[Cowgirl]

Well, I read that and I also know that for some reason, the brother was marched outside with his hands bound, but obviously his feet were not. He was staggering around because he had already been knocked senseless. Shasta said she saw him and called out to him but he could not help her. I have no idea why Duncan did that and if the police know why, I do not believe they have publicized it. Whatever reason Duncan had for having the boy go outside, he must have made him go back inside if he lined up all the bodies as described. I believe it was said that they were lined up like logs. And there were also reports of little footprints through the blood in the house which I assume was made by either Shasta or Dylan or both, but that is not clear either. Some have suggested that Shasta may have been sent into the house for clothes and that seems like a pretty good guess as she had to have had some other clothes and shoes out there in the wilderness all that time or else she would have been filthy.

I think there may be lots of conflicts in our facts about the crime scene that we will just have to live with until the trial. The prosecutor has told the cops to chill on giving out any further details so that the case will not be compromised and so I don't look to hear any clarifications until the trial testimony is public.The ironic thing about Duncan is that all along, he whined about how society wouldn't cut him a break and so therefore, he was paying back society. But the truth is, society cut him too big a break and that is why this mayhem befell some totally innocent people. The only thing society needs to learn from Duncan is to lock these creeps up for good the first time they show their evil core and never let them out again, ever. As for a crime committed by a teenager--it may be unfortunate that the teenager never gets a real shot at living a decent life, but for the sake of normal people, that's just too bad.

[BillyGoatGruff]

[QUOTE=AdoraBlue]1. Sadly, monsters similar to the characters of Hannibal Lecter and Jame Gumb do exist in real life. JED is one of them.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/lecter/1.html (for reference only)


Since Hannibal Lecter and Jame Gumb were based on actual serial killers, that is true.
However, the Professor Moriarty-super intelligent master criminal type serial killer as typified by Lecter doesn't exist. Why? Because if you actually have an IQ as high as the good Doctor's, oddly enough, you're probably too smart to do something as stupid as kill for sexual release.
That's not to say that some of these guys don't have smarts. Some obvivously do. But they're not fiendish masterminds by a long run. Osama Bin Laden bears a stronger resemblance to Moriarty/Lecter than JED3 or BTK.
What all these serial killers seem to share is an over-inflated sense of their own importance & ablities. They think they're too smart/clever to be caught, and it's that arrogance that brings em down.
If you really want to get a read on how serial killers think,all you have to do is go to the zoo an watch the tigers, lions, jaguars, snakes & other solitary hunters that stalk their prey. What enables them to escape detection for so long isn;t true intelligence, but more on the order of animal cunning, combined with dumb luck.