Lianna White/Edmonton,AB Part 2 [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

mysteriew

07-17-2005, 11:23 PM

More than 40 search-and-rescue volunteers are helping Edmonton police expand their search for a pregnant woman who disappeared on her way to work five days ago.

Liana White, a 29-year-old woman who is married with one daughter, disappeared without a trace on Tuesday.

The volunteers joined the police on Sunday to look through ditches, bushes and open fields near the woman's house. Sniffer dogs were also being used.

"If they come across evidence or a crime scene they know what to do and they're just here as trained individuals wanting to help out," Edmonton police spokesman Adrian Marr said.

The police, who have assigned more than a dozen detectives to the case, said it is baffling.

Marr said that so far, they're treating White's disappearance as a missing person's case, not a criminal matter. No evidence of foul play has been uncovered.

White left for work early Tuesday morning. Her SUV was found abandoned with the driver's door open in a park about two kilometres from her house.

Her wallet, keys, cellphone and shoes were found scattered in and around the vehicle. There were no signs of violence nor a struggle.

Police spokesmen have said her husband, Michael White, is not a suspect.

They also said there are discrepancies between the time he said she left home and the time that witnesses spotted her vehicle.

Marie Olah, who regularly cuts across the lot where the SUV was found to get to the YMCA for her morning workout, told CBC News earlier this week she saw the vehicle with the door open before 6 a.m.

White told police his wife left home for work at 6:15 a.m.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/17/Edm-woman050717.html

mysteriew

07-17-2005, 11:26 PM

The slayings of Edmonton area prostitutes have struck fear in the community, but police say the general public has no reason to feel vulnerable in light of the disappearance of a pregnant young city mother.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/17/1135339-sun.html

Jess

07-17-2005, 11:28 PM

From CFRN's 6 o'clock news

40 Volunteers( I believe Search and Rescue) worked 14 hours yesterday. They were back out this morning searching the area north and west of Liana's home.
Michael White was also out searching today.

I had just read the article in the Edmonton Sun about the serial killer possibly branching out. Interesting.I wonder how long ago it was that Prof. Jack levin talked to the Sun.... and if his opinion was published.

karmarama

07-17-2005, 11:31 PM

I made a big post in the other thread and when I hit post reply, it vanished! :(

Here are some picture that I took in the last couple of days. There are pics of the YMCA as well as the actual parking lot where the SUV was found.

http://www.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=25495321/t_=6625763

We drove around the neighbourhood where Liana lives, there is so much wild terrain there! hope they find her soon!

The people in my area are very concerned, we have searched our back yards, alleys, and even parking lots! I wish there was more we could do? when I think of that poor 2 year old child of hers :(

The media may not be covering this enough, but, Edmontonians are not going to forget Liana or her loved ones, we will keep looking for her!!!

Jess

07-17-2005, 11:35 PM

Karmarama
The same thing happened to me - and then the article was already posted !!

The link does not work for me. Do I have to register ?

Thanks

Jess

07-17-2005, 11:37 PM

Prof. Jack Levin's comments were published in the Sun on May 9th.

blueclouds

07-17-2005, 11:50 PM

My 15 yr old daughter is going to look after my younger 2 so I can help Monday, Tues and Wednesday so far.... I know a detective on the case since I was 2 years old and not sure what I'm going to help with but something. I'll keep you all informed as much as I hear. He's not telling me anything other than the husband has cooperated to a large extent, but he uses the word "refusing" to go back on TV for now.

If I hear consistent rumors, I'll update. If any have questions, let me know.

I may just volunteer internally, I don't know. I'm a former researcher by trade and used to work with AB Government so they may have internal stuff for me. If that's the case, I won't be able to discuss it at all. Again, I'll let you know.

karmarama

07-18-2005, 12:03 AM

Jess,

I don't know if you have to register? the link works for me.
I can send you my password through pm's if you want?

Or, I can put them in my photobucket album?

Jess

07-18-2005, 12:12 AM

Photobucket might be easier then you won't have to give out a password. Did you see the volunteers? were they wearing the yellow Search and Rescue uniforms ? My daughter belongs to S and R - but was volunteering at the Grand Prix.

karmarama

07-18-2005, 12:34 AM

Ok, I will try photobucket :)

No, I didn't see anyone searching at all!

Jess

07-18-2005, 12:41 AM

The news said they were searching around 167th and 142nd yesterday. I imagine they just stretched out the parameters today.

karmarama

07-18-2005, 12:56 AM

Here you go Jess :)

http://photobucket.com/albums/1103/karmarama/liana/

Casshew

07-18-2005, 01:00 AM

Here you go Jess :)

http://photobucket.com/albums/1103/karmarama/liana/
Hi Karma, great pics... it's really flat there in Alberta... no hills at all!

Jess

07-18-2005, 01:13 AM

Thanks so much. We have so much "green space' don't we ? How far do you think her vehicle was from the door or parking lot of the Y ?

spygirl

07-18-2005, 01:50 AM

Thanks so much. We have so much "green space' don't we ? How far do you think her vehicle was from the door or parking lot of the Y ?Those are nice pics. It looks more rural than I thought it would be.

karmarama

07-18-2005, 02:04 AM

11 o'clock news reporting that a family member of Liana's has found a body! :( no further details.

sandraladeda

07-18-2005, 02:29 AM

Here is a link to the story on ctv.ca.

You have to know it's Liana.

Crap! I was so hoping it was a "runaway wife" scenario. I'd rather see the story end in a divorce than a dead body...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121661032599_35/?hub=TopStories

blueclouds

07-18-2005, 02:34 AM

I was called here and awoke from the phone. I was asked not to come in tomorrow. I was suppose to assist somehow. I am to assume it's Liana. :( :( :( :(

I was NOT told that it was her, just not to come in - in the morning. OMGOODNESS.

Horribly sad.

karmarama

07-18-2005, 02:40 AM

blueclouds,

Was the body of one of the prostitutes found in that same area? I am thinking maybe, just maybe, it's not Liana? there are 2 missing sex trade workers missing right now, could be one of them?

http://www.kare.ca/missing.php

http://www.kare.ca/maggieburke.pdf

Either way, this is sad news :(

newtv

07-18-2005, 03:20 AM

God- I just heard- it will be interesting to see what its all about..

newtv

07-18-2005, 04:25 AM

great pics- thanku very much
blueclouds- who were you supposed to assist tomorrow
who told u not to come in
If its a volunteer center for liane then I think thats a bad sign that its her.

Bobbisangel

07-18-2005, 05:13 AM

If the husband was with the searchers when the body was found couldn't he have identified what she was wearing or her rings or something? I wonder why they didn't get dental records right away. I hate waiting to see who it was. I want them to find this lady alive darn it.

It sounds like the body was found not to awful far from her home if it is her.
I don't think any of us are going to be surprised when they make an arrest if that is her body. Wonder what the story will be behind this murder.

montana_16

07-18-2005, 05:57 AM

I came to check on the thread and find a post that a body has been found.
It's only been a few days but I was really getting feelings for this lady and her family. And the community.

We don't know for sure but its probably her. No matter who did it, another young mom's life cut short and another shattered family. :(

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:32 AM

Michael White says he could be wrong about the time his missing wife left for work Tuesday morning.

Police have been trying to piece together a timeline of events leading up to Liana White's disappearance, but reports have been conflicting.

Michael originally said Liana left at 6:15 a.m. but police say others reported seeing her abandoned vehicle in a soccer field parking lot at 5:50 a.m.

Michael told the Sun he was sleeping when his wife, Liana, dropped by the bedroom on her way out the door to remind him of their three-year-old daughter's daily routine.

"I'm lying there and she's talking to me. She said, 'Call me when you drop Ashley (their three-year-old daughter) off,'" said Michael White. "It's the same conversation every day."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/18/1136673-sun.html

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:33 AM

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:35 AM

God bless the volunteers who participated... without them days or weeks more could have passed before locating this scene.

:(

OB RN

07-18-2005, 07:37 AM

Michael White has a message for the world: he had nothing to do with his pregnant wife's disappearance

"If they're thinking it was the husband, forget the husband. Let's find my wife," White, 28, told the Sun yesterday. "I can't focus on that. I have to keep looking for her."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/18/1136674-sun.html
He's sounding more & more like Scott Peterson every day!

Jess

07-18-2005, 09:11 AM

Casshew

07-18-2005, 09:13 AM

in an area being searched by Michael and volunteers, a different area not being searched by pollice volunteers. Yikes :eek:

What a coincidence :waitasec:

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:36 AM

This is sad news. It's so hard hearing things like this. I hope it's not her, but I don't want it to be anyone. :(

It's still too early to say whether the hubby is involved or not, but it should be interesting to see what kind of info LE releases to the public now.

Thanks Montana, for the friendly reminder about keeping doors locked. I used to be very diligent about it when I was home alone, but then started getting sloppy when we got a new puppy, because I'm always letting him out. We live in a bad area, and our screen doors have bars that lock with a key from the inside. That says enough by itself. But from now on, they stay locked!! :hand:

I also have a '99 Explorer with dark-tinted windows, and always keep the doors locked and dual-alarm set. It starts screamin' if someone so much as lifts the door handle.

I think it's even more important that you Canadian gals be more wary as well. After seeing Michael Moore's documentary, Bowling for Columbine, I learned how Canada is so much less violent than the States, giving people a false sense of security. No one is safe anymore. So PLEASE keep your doors locked, and be aware of your surroundings. Imagine if one of us ended up on a thread here.

:eek:

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:52 AM

Michael White has a message for the world: he had nothing to do with his pregnant wife's disappearance

"If they're thinking it was the husband, forget the husband. Let's find my wife," White, 28, told the Sun yesterday. "I can't focus on that. I have to keep looking for her."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/18/1136674-sun.htmlSomeone who refers to himself as a third person in a case like this gives me the creeps.

That other statement he made was weird too:

"If you see me" = If you saw me?
"If you see this" = If you saw what I did?

:confused:

Jess

07-18-2005, 10:05 AM

A Channel News ( Edmonton)
The body was found about 7 k ( 4.2 miles) from her family home. How coincidental is it that Michael was with the volunteers in THAT area when the body was found ?

Mabel

07-18-2005, 10:07 AM

Yikes :eek:

What a coincidence :waitasec:

Not to say that I'm assuming the husband is involved, but it does remind me
of when the bodies of Laura Hobbs and Krystal Tobias just happened to be found by their murderer, Jerry Hobbs.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:53 AM

Not to say that I'm assuming the husband is involved, but it does remind me
of when the bodies of Laura Hobbs and Krystal Tobias just happened to be found by their murderer, Jerry Hobbs.Yep. I was thinking the same thing, only I couldn't remember which case it was. You are a regular walking encyclopedia! Geez!

:)

AussieAussie

07-18-2005, 11:25 AM

According to Global News at 6 am this morning, the body was found at around 5pm last night in an area being searched by Michael and volunteers, a different area not being searched by pollice volunteers.(I'll have to check to see how far out Range Road 252 is. I jotted down the east-west road, but that doesn't seem quite right to me so I'll have to double check that one for accuracy) When the body was found, they phoned 911.

Edited to add the other road is TWP Road 542. This area, I believe, is in Sturgeon County which adjoins Edmonton in the NW. Looks to be just west of 127th Street.
This is so sad :( I had hoped that the outcome would be different!

I couldn't help but notice in Jess' post that this area is in Sturgeon County! I was hoping this case had nothing to do with jogging or Sturgeon!

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 11:33 AM

This is so terrible :(
I have been following all of your posts on these two threads since yesterday and I appreciate all of you providing the updates. I don't see this story on any of the major news sites and only found one Canadian news site with coverage because I just don't know where to look. :(
Lianna is so beautiful and I feel so bad for her and her child and family.

Thanks again for the updates, everyone.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 11:38 AM

Someone who refers to himself as a third person in a case like this gives me the creeps.

That other statement he made was weird too:

"If you see me" = If you saw me?
"If you see this" = If you saw what I did?

:confused:
I found these quotes odd:

"White says he forces himself to stay composed for the sake of Ashley, who is only beginning to understand something is wrong. But he fears the worst.

"My worst fear is that they took advantage of her and maybe still are," he said. "There's (only) so much a body can take and the mind as well." "These are the nightmares I have every night - if I do sleep."

I hate to keep comparing him to Scott Peterson, but didn't Scott say something like "it creeps into my mind late at night and early in the morning" or something like that??

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 11:39 AM

In the grief-filled days since she went missing, White has heard strangers comparing him to Scott Peterson, convicted of killing his wife, Laci, and their unborn child, but says he's no Scott Peterson.

Jess

07-18-2005, 11:41 AM

This is so sad :( I had hoped that the outcome would be different!

I couldn't help but notice in Jess' post that this area is in Sturgeon County! I was hoping this case had nothing to do with jogging or Sturgeon!
It never clicked when I wrote that !!
Policing in Sturgeon County is done by the RCMP, but the Edmonton Police Department are investigating the discovery of the body.

linnafay

07-18-2005, 11:43 AM

Geez Louise

I woke up to the news this morning. Part of me is hoping it is her...part of me is hoping it isnt.

Was it the hubby? I dunno yet. Weird...with Scott I was sure it was him within 48hours. But...I am not discounting that he could have done it.

He might be the one telling him she originally weighed 190 and why there is only one photo of her. Or....maybe not. Geez I am confused. :doh: I will be leaving for Edmonton in about half an hour. Should be an interesting couple of days.

Mabel

07-18-2005, 11:56 AM

From the link Cass posted in post #25......

Michael White says:

"Honestly, I thought, 'Liana, why didn't you call me? I would have left work to get you,' " said White, believing his wife had encountered car troubles and had gone to find help.

Did I miss something? Wasn't Michael home and in bed at the time Liana disappeared, not at work?

Jess

07-18-2005, 12:00 PM

From the link Cass posted in post #25......

Michael White says:

Did I miss something? Wasn't Michael home and in bed at the time Liana disappeared, not at work?
Good catch !!
I've been reading so much and listening to the local news that I missed that.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 12:00 PM

I found these quotes odd:

"White says he forces himself to stay composed for the sake of Ashley, who is only beginning to understand something is wrong. But he fears the worst.

"My worst fear is that they took advantage of her and maybe still are," he said. "There's (only) so much a body can take and the mind as well." "These are the nightmares I have every night - if I do sleep."

I hate to keep comparing him to Scott Peterson, but didn't Scott say something like "it creeps into my mind late at night and early in the morning" or something like that??Yes, I am beginning to see many comparisons. SP was able to turn on the tears as well, (not saying Mike's weren't genuine). But something about this guy doesn't sit right with me.

I wish LE would just throw us a bone on this one (sorry for the euphemism).

sandraladeda

07-18-2005, 12:38 PM

From the link Cass posted in post #25......

Michael White says:

Did I miss something? Wasn't Michael home and in bed at the time Liana disappeared, not at work?Police contacted him at 8:30 AM. Perhaps by then he was already at work? :confused:

spygirl

07-18-2005, 12:44 PM

Last updated
Monday, 18 July
08:15:13 EDT
CBC News

Now they say "searchers" discovered a body. Police won't say it's Liana. Thay also refuse to confirm whether the body is male/female until an autopsy is performed.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2005/07/18/Edm-

ETA: When I clicked on the link the site said they're having "server problems" at this time. Just type in "Liana White" to get the story. Or go to the home page @ www.cbc.ca

When I first typed in "Lianna" they said: Do you mean Liana? So I guess that's how they spell her name.

sandraladeda

07-18-2005, 12:57 PM

blueclouds, have you heard anything more from your source at the Edmonton Police Service?

mysteriew

07-18-2005, 01:03 PM

Police are releasing few details and won't say whether searchers found 29-year-old Liana White, or even whether the body is a woman or a man.

White's husband Mike, who last week said he would do anything to find her, organized a search party over the weekend. It was someone from that team that found that body beside a road northeast of St. Albert about 5 p.m. Sunday.

White, who is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter, was last seen about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday when she left for work as a clerk at Edmonton's Royal Alexandra Hospital.
http://edmonton.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ed-missing-white20050718

mysteriew

07-18-2005, 01:05 PM

Edmonton police spokesman Lisa Lammi said the body's identity would not be released until the coroner has a chance to make an examination. She would not confirm whether foul play was suspected.

"A positive identification will not be made until the autopsy," said Lammi.

Lammi said no information was available on how long the body had been at the scene before it was found by Michael White's volunteers. She also could not say if the remains were that of a man or a woman.
The scene was less than a five-minute drive from the St. Albert city limits.

It is unusual for city police to assist RCMP in a scene that is outside Edmonton's corporate limits. Morinville RCMP, which has jurisdiction in the area, informed the Sun that Edmonton police were handling the investigation and that RCMP members could not comment on the find.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/18/1136672-sun.html

newtv

07-18-2005, 01:22 PM

In fairness to the states..we are so much smaller..our population is about the same as the state of california and spread over a land mass that is huge..so we should be a lot less violent stats wise..but yes, canada is sorta like sweden-not a lot of violence or intolerance is allowed.

newtv

07-18-2005, 01:27 PM

part of this is she is not a US citizen - CNN is the network who pushes missing peoples cases and unfortunatley thery dont show a lot of interest in missing persons other than americans.

newtv

07-18-2005, 01:29 PM

Are they still searching..if not I think we have confirmation..

mom-a-licious

07-18-2005, 01:48 PM

Oh gosh, when I saw that Liana's hubby was going to start looking on his own, one of my first thoughts was "I wonder if it'll be him who finds her body"?, knowing that in some cases the perp participates in the search and then finds the body.

Now a body's been found, by a group in which the husband was participating, searching, separate from where the police volunteers were searching.

I do think at this point that it is probably her...would be too weird a coincidence that husband or his search group would just happen to find another body, although that could happen.

Also, what's with that quote "forget the husband", referring to himself in the third person. Instead of saying "I didn't do it", he seems to be removing himself from the situation and also saying "forget about that guy", he's not saying that he didn't do it, seems he's saying that he wants people not to focus on him...

I've been wavering back & forth about the possible involvement of Michael White, still not sure but some things have me continuing to wonder...

Luanne

07-18-2005, 02:15 PM

According to Global News at 6 am this morning, the body was found at around 5pm last night in an area being searched by Michael and volunteers, a different area not being searched by pollice volunteers.(I'll have to check to see how far out Range Road 252 is. I jotted down the east-west road, but that doesn't seem quite right to me so I'll have to double check that one for accuracy) When the body was found, they phoned 911.

Edited to add the other road is TWP Road 542. This area, I believe, is in Sturgeon County which adjoins Edmonton in the NW. Looks to be just west of 127th Street.

Sturgeon again? What a coincidence....

I remember in another case (maybe Danielle Van Dam?) that the family was told not to search, as anything they found could be considered suspicious. Kinda weird that someone close to the case found this body, assuming it is Liana.

newtv

07-18-2005, 02:19 PM

Sturgeon again? What a coincidence....

I remember in another case (maybe Danielle Van Dam?) that the family was told not to search, as anything they found could be considered suspicious. Kinda weird that someone close to the case found this body, assuming it is Liana.
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=b12fc613-8863-4d6b-8056-b32d2b7a1711

liana white info

Jess

07-18-2005, 02:53 PM

CHED radio - news at 11:30

Autopsy will not be performed until Tuesday.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 03:10 PM

CHED radio - news at 11:30

Autopsy will not be performed until Tuesday.
ridiculous! They should get it done today.
What if it was their own family member? (the coroner) ...
I would bet they would want a speddier ID. :snooty:

Mabel

07-18-2005, 03:35 PM

ridiculous! They should get it done today.
What if it was their own family member? (the coroner) ...
I would bet they would want a speddier ID. :snooty:

If it was a family member who found the body and the search has been called off, it's almost a certainty that the family knows it's her, IMO.

Jess

07-18-2005, 03:42 PM

OH, I think everyone knows who it is. Project Kare has not been called in so the probability that it is another woman is very slim.

There are two offices of the Chief Medical Examiner/Alberta/ Canada, one of which is in Edmonton. The office in Edmonton is responsible for investigations in the Northern half of the province. Between the two offices ( the other being in Calgary ) there are 4 full time forensic pathologists.

( If anyone can tell why I cannot copy and paste on this website, I'd appreciate it.I can do it on all other sites !! Would Firefox be blocking something ?)

Just an aside. There was a police vehicle parked outside the White house all night. CFRN morning news. Hmm

Mabel

07-18-2005, 03:50 PM

..............

Just an aside. There was a police vehicle parked outside the White house all night. CFRN morning news. Hmm

After first reading this, I was wondering what the president had to do with anything....duh :waitasec:

It sounds as if the police want to make sure that Michael White stays put.

Jess

07-18-2005, 04:14 PM

Methinks I should have said White residence ?:crazy:

lauriej

07-18-2005, 04:17 PM

If it was a family member who found the body and the search has been called off, it's almost a certainty that the family knows it's her, IMO.
...i just heard on the radio that the police are retracting the earlier statement in which they said michael white had been part of the search team that discovered the body.......and it was NOT him ,or the party he was with that came across the body..

Casshew

07-18-2005, 04:22 PM

Sheesh... I guess we will have to wait for an official statement ~ because all these bits and pieces of info are not adding up.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 04:24 PM

After first reading this, I was wondering what the president had to do with anything....duh :waitasec:

It sounds as if the police want to make sure that Michael White stays put.Lol.... me too Mabel, for a split second there. Guess we're not in Kansas anymore.

Yep -- it sounds like they're staking him out, just like LE did with 'ol Scotty Boy.

otto

07-18-2005, 04:32 PM

Lol.... me too Mabel, for a split second there. Guess we're not in Kansas anymore.

Yep -- it sounds like they're staking him out, just like LE did with 'ol Scotty Boy.

Here's a report from today's paper, which is a bit confusing if they think they found her yesterday:

Volunteers help search for clues

Shauna Rempel
CanWest News Service

July 18, 2005

Police are widening their search for a woman reported missing in Edmonton last week.

They have sent forensic units into the home of Liana White, which police would only say is standard procedure.

Volunteers are pressing ahead with their search, combing fields and neighbourhoods for any sign of the 29-year-old woman who went missing Tuesday morning on her way to work at the Royal Alexandra Hospital. White is four months pregnant and has a two-year-old daughter.

"If it was my family member out there lost I'd want someone out there helping to look," said Ian MacVittie, a volunteer with Parkland Search and Rescue Society.

Volunteers go through at least 100 hours of training before being made part of large-scale operations like the one set up to find White.

MacVittie and other search and rescue volunteers comb the bushes, ditches and fields around the parking lot where the woman's vehicle was found last Tuesday morning.

The area spans almost eight square kilometres and is broken into three sections -- the north, west and northwest. On Sunday, about 15 volunteers joined police to concentrate on the northwest section. So far, the search hasn't produced any solid leads.

Search manager Const. Freddy Blondel praised the volunteers, calling them a valuable asset to the investigation.

Edmonton Journal

karmarama

07-18-2005, 04:57 PM

Just an aside. There was a police vehicle parked outside the White house all night. CFRN morning news. Hmm

I drove by their home yesterday afternoon around 1 p.m. and there was no police there at that time, the body was found around 5 p.m. so, it doesn't look too good :(

now, it's raining and nasty weather out here! I sure hope that there were able to get all the evidence from the scene before the rain started!

Jess

07-18-2005, 05:03 PM

CTVNewsnet 2 pm

Forensic team was at the 'site" until midnight last night. They have returned today. Michael White is staying at his in-laws.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 05:13 PM

They have returned today. Michael White is staying at his in-laws.
Wow - staying with Liana's parents... interesting:waitasec:

Jess

07-18-2005, 05:24 PM

A lot of confusing information. Of course watching CTVNewnet-- I know it's not the most recent news cause it's not raining in the video and it's been raining here for over an hour and a half.The next local news is at 5 pm. The radio stations are probably more up to date.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 05:35 PM

The next local news is at 5 pm. The radio stations are probably more up to date.
Thanks Jess, we appreciate the updates :blowkiss:

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 05:37 PM

Wow - staying with Liana's parents... interesting:waitasec:
yeah, from the story I read that someone posted earlier, he was asked to leave his house so that the house could be investigated... at least that was what I thought was implied from what I read. I may have misunderstood what I read.

I am sure if a family member found her that they could identify her, but one article listed "remians" were found, which reminded me of Dylan Groene. Who knows if an animal got to her or how badly she was decaying. She was missing for 4 or 5 days, right?
But I would think that the autopsy was probably going ot be done to determine cause of death.

I just thought there would be more urgency on conducting the process today but I guess I should keep in mind that people die everyday and maybe the coroners are busy. :doh: Sorry, I meant no disrespect to them.
I'm just frustrated. Another pregnant woman murdered... another person murdered, period. Bugs me.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 05:42 PM

regarding my previous post:

"A forensic unit continues to search the White residence where White was last seen by her husband."

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=b12fc613-8863-4d6b-8056-b32d2b7a1711

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 05:45 PM

I think this might be where the rumor started that the husband may have found the body:

"
EDMONTON -- The husband of missing Edmonton woman Liana White and a team of searchers discovered a body northeast of St. Albert on Sunday evening.

"

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=19141ef5-681a-4384-9638-ca263f531949

but then at the end of the article, this is mentioned:
"White's husband, Michael, was one of the search party. But police could not say whether he found the body."

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 05:51 PM

White was asked to leave his house:

"White was asked to leave his home for the duration of the search, opting to spend the night at his in-laws. The following day, the heavy-duty mechanic was still waiting to get back inside.

"They can't make a mistake. They have to cover their tails and every angle possible. Am I upset about it? Sure, but I have to support them," he said. "So we'll sit back and be relocated as much as possible so they can do their job. They can eliminate that and go a different route.

"

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/18/1136674-sun.html

Jess

07-18-2005, 06:02 PM

CBC Newsworld is expecting an update from the Edmonton Police this hour.Maybe they'll clarify a couple of things.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 06:14 PM

CBC Newsworld is expecting an update from the Edmonton Police this hour.Maybe they'll clarify a couple of things.
thanks for the update. Praying for the White family and for Lianna :(

Casshew

07-18-2005, 06:26 PM

thanks for the update. Praying for the White family and for Lianna :( Yes, lets not forget them and Liana's little girl Ashley too. What a way to lose your Mommy.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 06:29 PM

Yes, lets not forget them and Liana's little girl Ashley too. What a way to lose your Mommy.
oh I know! I can't even begin to think about how I woudl've felt as a little girl losing my mommy. I was sooooo attached to my mom. I would cry when she's leave for work when I was 3!! I am still a big momma's girl.

Poor little Ashley. Yes, LOTS of prayers for her.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 06:52 PM

....one article listed "remians" were found, which reminded me of Dylan Groene. Who knows if an animal got to her or how badly she was decaying.Unfortunately, it could also mean she was dismembered or otherwise maimed.

:(

Jess

07-18-2005, 07:08 PM

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:09 PM

Edmonton Journal + CTV reporting the husband is in custody -
protective custody? or arrested? :eek:

tuppence

07-18-2005, 07:12 PM

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=258b0e0c-fdec-4ad9-a690-8097367e6ef7

Charged with 2nd degree murder!

A charge of second-degree murder has been laid against the husband of a pregnant Edmonton woman who has been missing since last week.

A police source confirms to Broadcast News that Michael White has been charged.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:13 PM

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=258b0e0c-fdec-4ad9-a690-8097367e6ef7

Charged with 2nd degree murder!
Man oh man! :eek:

tuppence

07-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Anyone seeing any details on TV about this?

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 07:19 PM

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:21 PM

What a jerk if he did do it.
Wonder WHY he did it if he did do it! :furious:
Thats a real tongue twister there!

I feel your frustration, was it over the pregnancy? was it money, is there another woman in his life? in time we will here the whole story.

I wonder if he will plead guilty?

spygirl

07-18-2005, 07:23 PM

I got the same thing, that he's been charged w/second-degree murder, but the article doesn't say WHY!!

:doh:

http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=13a1972e-142e-438f-

....I hope the link works.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 07:25 PM

do any of the edmonton tv stations have websites??

Jess

07-18-2005, 07:33 PM

Yes - they've already been linked here.

Global Edmonton
CBC - Edmonton
Edmonton Journal
Edmonton Sun

karmarama

07-18-2005, 07:37 PM

spygirl

07-18-2005, 07:45 PM

I have a feeling that if he dumped her body, it qualifies as pre-meditation. Of course, I don't know how the laws work there.

Maybe she ran after he hurt her, and died where she was found.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 07:46 PM

Young toddler, stress of a new baby ~ finances etc... that is my bet at this point.

I wonder if he will be charged with 2 counts because Liana was pregnant?

poco

07-18-2005, 07:48 PM

DETAILS DETAILS DETAILS!!!!

2nd degree???? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
The police obviously knew/know a lot more than what they were letting on. When are these husbands going to realize that if they kill their wife, they are probably gonna get caught. Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!

lauriej

07-18-2005, 08:00 PM

I have a feeling that if he dumped her body, it qualifies as pre-meditation. Of course, I don't know how the laws work there.

Maybe she ran after he hurt her, and died where she was found.
...i think she would have called 911 on her cell in that case...

...i do wonder also though, will be be chatged with 2 counts ? i sure hope so...

spygirl

07-18-2005, 08:01 PM

When are these husbands going to realize that if they kill their wife, they are probably gonna get caught. Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!Disgusting, isn't it?

I'm glad that Liana has family who might be able to take her little girl.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 08:03 PM

...i think she would have called 911 on her cell in that case...Not if he took it away and flung it in the parking lot. She probably tried.

:furious:

lauriej

07-18-2005, 08:10 PM

oh ok....i see what you're saying..

..my mistake...i mistook your post as in her running after he'd hurt her at home..

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:15 PM

Edmonton Journal + CTV reporting the husband is in custody --a police source. Was brought in Sunday night . I have heard no confirmation on tv. Posted3:14 Mountain Time

I'd post the links, but , for some reason, I can not copy the links and I am too lazy to copy them down and type them up.

Canada.com will take you to the Edmonton Journalhe has been charged with second degree murder and an indignity to a human body charges (necrophilia I bet).(I dont even know how to spell it-maybe its something else anyhow).

Michael White -- husband of a missing, pregnant Edmonton woman -- has been charged with second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121720496389_117129696/?hub=Canada

If u already know all of this sorry-just reading it now and in a state of shock.

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 08:16 PM

Yes - they've already been linked here.

Global Edmonton
CBC - Edmonton
Edmonton Journal
Edmonton Sunwell two of those seem to be newspaper sites.
I was looking for more tv sites. Maybe I am just reading the site wrong. My homeston has 5 local ones. Maybe canada has fewer... I don't know. Can't find much of anything else but the news sources posted here.
And, our local tv stations do updates pretty fast as the news is happening. Thanks though!

spygirl

07-18-2005, 08:17 PM

oh ok....i see what you're saying..

..my mistake...i mistook your post as in her running after he'd hurt her at home..Could be.... we don't know anything yet. If he staged it, she wouldn't have her cell phone, depending on how the schmuck planned it. Hopefully we will find out more soon. But 2nd degree indicates to me that it wasn't pre-meditated.

Hmm.

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:19 PM

Could be.... we don't know anything yet. If he staged it, she wouldn't have her cell phone, depending on how the schmuck planned it. Hopefully we will find out more soon. But 2nd degree indicates to me that it wasn't pre-meditated.

Hmm.
Its even worse if he committed an indignity to a dead body-what kind of creep is he?

spygirl

07-18-2005, 08:19 PM

he has been charged with second degree murder and an indignity to a human body charges (necrophilia I bet).

Michael White -- husband of a missing, pregnant Edmonton woman -- has been charged with second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121720496389_117129696/?hub=Canada

If u already know all of this sorry-just reading it now and in a state of shock.EWWWW....

:eek:

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 08:20 PM

Prayersformaura,

I just checked all the websites, no more info then what is posted here so far!

I can't help but think that Liana found out something about her husband and he felt he had to keep her quiet? a lot like Mark Hacking!

I have a feeling that he was involved in something, could be just my imagination, but, that's how I feel :(
thank you... I appreciate the updates.

I definitely feel like this is a mark hacking.
Another case where she is pretty and he looks like a loser :furious:
Sorry, I know that's mean, but man ... this makes me mad.

I wonder if her seat of her SUV was adjusted ... like Lori hacking's was.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 08:21 PM

he has been charged with second degree murder and an indignity to a human body charges (necrophilia I bet).

WTF? :eek:

Maybe he tried to do something to the baby - shoved something inside her in a fit of rage?

This is just nuts!

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:22 PM

thank you... I appreciate the updates.

I definitely feel like this is a mark hacking.
Another case where she is pretty and he looks like a loser :furious:
Sorry, I know that's mean, but man ... this makes me mad.

I wonder if her seat of her SUV was adjusted ... like Lori hacking's was.
I agree-he is ugly and he is evil if he did this - i dont care if its premeditated or not- what could be defined as an indignity against a dead body - chopping it up??)
Or is it sex??

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:23 PM

WTF? :eek:

Maybe he tried to do something to the baby - shoved something inside her in a fit of rage?

This is just nuts!
I know I am in a state of shock-thats all they said charged with murder++this indignity..OMG I really had a bad feeling about this guy-just the way he wailed for the tv.I mean no guy is going to breakdown like that so fast-she wasnt gone long enuf.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 08:27 PM

Another case where she is pretty and he looks like a loser :furious:
Sorry, I know that's mean, but man ... this makes me mad.It's not mean. He needs to be drawn and quartered.

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:28 PM

I feel so badly for the remaining child and the family-why the hell do men do this-just leave for gods sake..or maybe she told him she was leaving.

I knew right from the timeline something was amiss..he got himself in trouble because the story wasnt true..its always those types of things he didnt expect..and I do not think he expected anyone to see her car earlier than she should have been there.

If he had said he didnt know when she left for work that would be one thing-but he said such a definite time..and he has further screwed up by saying he was sleeping and they have the same conversation every morning-well if they do you can be sure its at the very same time - 6:15 am. (The conversation and her going to work were nothing unusual-so thats why he said 6:15 in the first place.)

PrayersForMaura

07-18-2005, 08:28 PM

I agree-he is ugly and he is evil if he did this - i dont care if its premeditated or not- what could be defined as an indignity against a dead body - chopping it up??)
Or is it sex??
I am thinking some sort of mutiliation, but I could be wrong.
They did use the word "remains" at one point and not body, but then I saw body elsewhere. i am completely stupified.
And I keep thnking about his comments about "if you're looking at the husband it's not me" sort of thing. :furious:

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:29 PM

WTF? :eek:

Maybe he tried to do something to the baby - shoved something inside her in a fit of rage?

This is just nuts!but the indignity is done to a dead body so she was already dead..not sure if he would be raging after or not..:(

Mabel

07-18-2005, 08:29 PM

I hope he rots in hell. What on earth makes some men think they have the right to decide who lives and who dies???????

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:32 PM

I hope he rots in hell. What on earth makes some men think they have the right to decide who lives and who dies???????I agree mabel- I am horrified by this-and even mores o by the second part of his charges..for gods sake if u kill by accident in an argument you dont then comit another indignity toward the dead body.

I hope we get a board for this case as it will go to court and might be good to follow-and to make a case in canada a big deal - its just like hacking and peterson imo.

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:43 PM

OK I hunch he took a part of her body with him..it sounds like thats what it is from reading..stealing body parts as is the case with some docotrs etc.

182. Every one who

(a) neglects, without lawful excuse, to perform any duty that is imposed on him by law or that he undertakes with reference to the burial of a dead human body or human remains, or (b) improperly or indecently interferes with or offers any indignity to a dead human body or human remains, whether buried or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years. [R.S., c.C-34, c.178.]

Casshew

07-18-2005, 08:48 PM

OK I hunch he took a part of her body with him..

do you have a body part in mind??? because I cannot think of anything :sick:

heavenlydaze

07-18-2005, 08:51 PM

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:52 PM

do you have a body part in mind??? because I cannot think of anything :sick:no I do not - but its a fuzzy thing as there are no real examples-just that if u do any harm to a dead body its a crime..that could even be urinating on it-though how would they even know..they used that example in the case of photos of skin heads urinating on dead body parts in jewish cemetaries

OK I maybe was on the wrong track- I think in this case it might be as simple as hiding the body-digging and hiding her in the ground. (It can be that..when u do it for the sole purpose of hiding a dead body)..

lauriej

07-18-2005, 08:55 PM

no, we don't have the DP here in canada...

..i looked for a case involving "indignity to a dead body":

http://www.pentictonherald.ca/?nopic=true&latest_date=2004/10/13

A Penticton man charged with killing his lover pleaded guilty Tuesday to disposing of her body improperly

Valliere said Boivin had died in his arms and he disposed of her body by carrying it in a backpack to a spot 500 metres from their home

The maximum sentence for offering an indignity to a human body is five years in prison. The maximum for manslaughter is life imprisonment.

..........the 2nd charge to michael white could then be due to his 'dumping her body' in the field...

Casshew

07-18-2005, 08:55 PM

newtv

07-18-2005, 08:58 PM

Maybe someone from Canada knows the answer to this, but is it possible that a charge of "committing an indignity to a dead body (or human remains)" could come about simply because he 'dumped' her like yesterdays garbage AFTER he killed her

I think u are right-as I investigated it further it means the hiding of a dead body or its parts..so it may be just that- I havent heard of that before. (I mean doesnt everyone hide the dead body-so I am not sure why it is a charge here).

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/01/07/306344.html

Casshew

07-18-2005, 08:58 PM

What does 'offering' mean in this statement?

Police department spokeswoman Lisa Lammi said Michael White also faces an additional charge of offering an indignity to a dead body.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050718.wwoman0718/BNStory/National/

lauriej

07-18-2005, 08:58 PM

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:02 PM

lauriej

07-18-2005, 09:03 PM

heavenlydaze

07-18-2005, 09:06 PM

http://www.netlaw.co.nz/family.cfm?PageID=313

seems u cant bury or dig up a dead body without a permit

Somehow I can't picture the SOB (or anyone else for that matter) walking into the constables office and asking for a permit to move the body of the wife he just killed!?!?
:waitasec:

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:08 PM

..another case, ( this one in ontario canada ) with an indignity to a huam body charge..: ( for moving the body..)

http://www.police.durham.on.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=6241

Investigators have laid an additional charge of Indignity to a Human Body against him.

Police allege VINCENT assisted in moving Kyla HOLBURN'S body to Nichol Avenue in Whitby, where it was found January 3rd.
ok- sounds like he is charged with killing her in one spot and then staging the scene by carrying her to a different spot- u are not allowed to move a dead body - whether u bury it or not.
I dont know this ofr sure but this is what I gather from the case and the context it is used in..(I mean we know she was found in a farmers field and thats not likely where she was killed.)

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:09 PM

Somehow I can't picture the SOB (or anyone else for that matter) walking into the constables office and asking for a permit to move the body of the wife he just killed!?!?
:waitasec:i was thinking the same-its kinda funny if it wasnt so tragic.

I am hunching that its like the penticton example- she died in his arms or the house and he carted her to another location-thats illegal..
I guess i was thrown off because it seems everyone hides the dead body..but maybe they chose to charge him so something sticks -or he is punished with 2 sentences.
It seems like an attempt to make it worse so justice prevails..he can get up to 5 years just for moving her.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:15 PM

..........the 2nd charge to michael white could then be due to his 'dumping her body' in the field...That sounds very undignified to me....

:(

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:18 PM

Casshew

07-18-2005, 09:19 PM

lauriej

07-18-2005, 09:20 PM

i wasn't intending any disrespect to lianna white .....my apologies if you took it that way..

...it does appear to me now though, along with newtv's posts on the matter, that his ( m.white's ) removal of the deceased to another location is the reason behind the additional charge.

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:21 PM

CTVNewsnet 2 pm

Forensic team was at the 'site" until midnight last night. They have returned today. Michael White is staying at his in-laws.
it seems he is barred from his house- I think that alone says something..I mean its been since saturday..
jess can we hug and make up please.

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:22 PM

Casshew

07-18-2005, 09:25 PM

i wasn't intending any disrespect to lianna white .....my apologies if you took it that way..

I don't think spygirl was referring to your post.. she was referring to the SOB Husband IMO

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:25 PM

I don't know if it is as simple as moving a body or dumping a body... we shall see... Isn't dumping a body pretty common place as far as murders go? I just don't recall hearing this charge, at least not very often.
this is why it threw me as well- its as if its redundant-but they may just want to charge him with everything they can..I would have thought its obstruction of justice but then what murderer doesnt obstruct justice-usually the murder charge is enough..
Anyhow- it will be interesting to see-and I was reading how the police may not tell us anything about it in order not to risk the case (I mean in other examples they have not wanted to give out any information to the public-and it seems they are already pretty closed off).

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:26 PM

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:29 PM

It has to be that he dumped Liana's body, because that's where it was found, and who else would have put it there? He would have had to do something to her body before she was dumped (by someone else) if that were the case. So yeah, the disposal of her body has to be the charge.
I agree and he had to have hidden her in something so he wasnt spotted..a big hockey bag or something like a patio umbrella,..(grrr)..
anyhow here we go again..if its second degree murder then thats a step up from some who premeditate it but the fact is she is dead so how can we ever know the truth.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:31 PM

I don't think spygirl was referring to your post.. she was referring to the SOB Husband IMOHuh? I'm lost now.... no one offended me.

;)

That poor excuse for a husband is the only offender on this thread.

:loser:

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:33 PM

lauriej

07-18-2005, 09:33 PM

I don't know if it is as simple as moving a body or dumping a body... we shall see... Isn't dumping a body pretty common place as far a murders go? I just don't recall hearing this charge, at least not very often.
a google search brings up a few : ( although i'm with you on this, i'd never heard the term before..)

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcarlet/donstewartcase.htm
The cases of George Foster, 22, and Eldon Foster, 26, brothers belonging to Fredericton, who were charged with offering indignity to a human body, by removing it from a grave

http://www.yourlibrary.ca/community/richmondreview/archive/RR19990224/Morenews.html

Roberge pleaded guilty to obstructing justice and indignity to a human body and received a three-year suspended sentence and a three-year term of probation.

http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_the_evil_within_charges_formall y_laid.htm
In fact, when charges were filed against Karla, she only was charged with two counts of manslaughter. By turning against Paul, she made a nice cozy deal with the Crown and on May 14,1993 the charges were formally laid: 3 charges of manslaughter and a total of 12 years for the killing of Leslie and Kristen. She had to testify against Paul. He was being charged with 2 counts of first degree murder, 2 of forcible confinement 2 of kidnapping, 2 of sexual assault, and one count of committing an indignity to a human body.

( paul bernardo..........ONE count ? that's shocking....and disgusting..)

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:35 PM

Huh? I'm lost now.... no one offended me.

;)

That poor excuse for a husband is the only offender on this thread.

:loser:thats what we were trying to explain to her-that u were referring to the charge.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:35 PM

I agree and he had to have hidden her in something so he wasnt spotted..a big hockey bag or something like a patio umbrella,..(grrr)..
anyhow here we go again..if its second degree murder then thats a step up from some who premeditate it but the fact is she is dead so how can we ever know the truth.We'll get the truth, eventually. What I'm curious about is that 2nd degree charge.

"Oh hunny, I'm sorry I murdered you, but instead of calling for assistance or turning myself in, I'll just dump your body so no one knows."

:rolleyes:

newtv

07-18-2005, 09:39 PM

We'll get the truth, eventually. What I'm curious about is that 2nd degree charge.

"Oh hunny, I'm sorry I murdered you, but instead of calling for assistance or turning myself in, I'll just dump your body so no one knows."

:rolleyes:An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday morning and Edmonton police say they will hold a news conference on Tuesday afternoon to give what details they have of the case.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/18/lianawhite070518.html

out 49 minutes ago- on him being charged

Casshew

07-18-2005, 09:40 PM

Huh? I'm lost now.... no one offended me.

;)

That poor excuse for a husband is the only offender on this thread.

Your post 127... I think Lauriej thought you were talking to her - but you meant it for the SOB :)

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:41 PM

OMG just watching N/grace and she is so damn funny- a man went missing on his honeymoon-the wife woke up and noticed he wasnt there..so she went and worked out..?
(imagine the edge that nancy is giving this comment..like - OK..your husband is gone-there is blood in the cabin and she goes to workout.)NG is great. I saw her roll her eyes once in OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. One went clockwise, and the other one went counter-clockwise. Her studio people were in the background snickering.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 09:42 PM

By turning against Paul, she made a nice cozy deal with the Crown and on May 14,1993 the charges were formally laid: 3 charges of manslaughter and a total of 12 years for the killing of Leslie and Kristen. She had to testify against Paul. He was being charged with 2 counts of first degree murder, 2 of forcible confinement 2 of kidnapping, 2 of sexual assault, and one count of committing an indignity to a human body.

( paul bernardo..........ONE count ? that's shocking....and disgusting..) I have a friend that was (is) and officer in St Catherine's - off the record he said that Kristen's hair had all been cut off and she had been scrubbed clean (inside and out) if you get my drift to remove all evidence - this was done after she was dead... so maybe thats what that count was about.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:43 PM

Your post 127... I think Lauriej thought you were talking to her - but you meant it for the SOB :)Well yeah, I meant that him dumping her body was undignified. Hence the "indignity to a dead body" charge.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 09:48 PM

An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday morning and Edmonton police say they will hold a news conference on Tuesday afternoon to give what details they have of the case.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/18/lianawhite070518.html

out 49 minutes ago- on him being chargedTomorrow Tuesday?

heavenlydaze

07-18-2005, 09:49 PM

lauriej

07-18-2005, 09:53 PM

Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

Canada has about 550 murders per year, a number that is fluctuating. This is equivalent to numbers in most of the western world, except the U.S. which has triple the number per capita. The main methods of murder in Canada are shootings (30%), stabbings (30%), and beatings (22%).

Canada has four types of crime that can be considered murder:

first degree murder - the intentional killing of another person with premeditation, in the furtherance of another serious criminal offense (kidnapping, robbery, etc.), or the killing of a peace officer
second degree murder - the intentional killing of another person without premeditation (ie killing in the heat of the moment)
manslaughter - the killing of another person where there is no intent to kill
infanticide - the killing of an infant by a mother while still recovering from the birth, and the mother's mind is "disturbed"
(there are exceptions to the above - certain types of murder are always first degree murder, such as the killing of a peace officer, and certain types of killings are murder regardless of intent, such as a death resulting from sexual assault)

The maximum penalties for murder are:

first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)
manslaughter - maximum life imprisonment
infanticide - maximum 5 years imprisonment
There is a clause where persons convicted of multiple murder, and deemed unable for rehabilitation, to be declared a 'dangerous offender' upon examination of doctors and psychiatrists (usually for sexually related murder). Persons declared as dangerous offenders have an undetermined prison sentence, although it usually means an increase of 10 years (possibly to 35 or more years).
For every murder in Canada there are about 1.5 attempted murders.

About one in three Canadian murders are committed by a family member. One in eight is gang related. About 80% of murderers in Canada are caught within a year.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:05 PM

Wow. So he won't be charged with the death of the fetus then, right? And LWOP doesn't exist either?

lauriej

07-18-2005, 10:06 PM

Lots of questions for our friends in Canada....I'm at work so I can't take the time to look all this up (not that I'd know how to do that anyway...computer duhhh).
What is the possible (worst) punishment for 2nd degree murder there?
Will they appoint a lawyer for the SOB if he can't afford one?
If he doesn't confess, will there be a jury trial?
If he DOES confess, who sentences him?

Thanks in advance!
Deb
...and yes, he will get a court-appointed lawyer if he cannot afford one..
...there will be a trial either by judge , or by jury..
...he's prosecuted by the 'crown' ( DA'S office ).......sentenced by the judge...

concernedperson

07-18-2005, 10:07 PM

None of the links work. Can someone please provide that?

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:10 PM

So with the combined sentence of 25 years for INTENDED 2nd degree murder, and 5 years for the "indignity to a dead body" charge, he faces a maximum of 30 years?

Hmmph.

JDB

07-18-2005, 10:12 PM

Please help me here. Did they charge the Hubby for this one? :crazy:

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:13 PM

I think newtv is occupied with trying to roll her eyes in opposite directions.... lol!

It hurts. I tried it.

:crazy:

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:15 PM

Please help me here. Did they charge the Hubby for this one? :crazy:2nd degree.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 10:15 PM

Please help me here. Did they charge the Hubby for this one? :crazy:
2nd degree murder & indignity to a dead body :eek:

JDB

07-18-2005, 10:17 PM

2nd degree murder & indignity to a dead body :eek:
Thanks cass 2nd means by accident now to try to figure out the other part. Only in canada :innocent:

Casshew

07-18-2005, 10:18 PM

Thanks cass 2nd means by accident now to try to figure out the other part. Only in canada :innocent:
I don't think it means accident... it just means he didn't plan it...

accident would be manslaughter.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:19 PM

Thanks cass 2nd means by accident now to try to figure out the other part. Only in canada :innocent:In Canada, 2nd degree is intentional but not pre-meditated.

ETA: "indignity to a dead body" charge possibly stemming from the dumping of Liana's remains.

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:19 PM

I think newtv is occupied with trying to roll her eyes in opposite directions.... lol!

It hurts. I tried it.

:crazy:sorry friends- i was busy trying to get my eyeballs back where they belong..you can get 20 years for second degree murder and up to 5 yeears for the indignity..he could get 25 years but the difference is on second degree he will get parole- honestly canada is not hard enough on killers-its a shame because he should never see the light of day again imo

Casshew

07-18-2005, 10:20 PM

OMG just watching N/grace and she is so damn funny- a man went missing on his honeymoon-the wife woke up and noticed he wasnt there..so she went and worked out..?
(imagine the edge that nancy is giving this comment..like - OK..your husband is gone-there is blood in the cabin and she goes to workout.)
There is a thread on this somewhere... missing from a cruise ship

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:22 PM

In Canada, 2nd degree is intentional but not pre-meditated.

ETA: "indignity to a dead body" charge possibly stemming from the dumping of Liana's remains.
u are correct and yet ya gotta ask yourself if u did not premeditate it then how did u intend it..but manslaughter is accidental..anyhow this guy could be out in 10 years or less I would bet..even less depending on what he cops for a plea..its totally wrong..u can get more jail time for killing a dog than a wife.
Cass may have better info-but my experience is that its not very often that you never get out of jail in canada

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:23 PM

There is a thread on this somewhere... missing from a cruise ship
on top of it the wife was drunk and cant remember anything about the evening..can u just see nancys eyes as she tells this to the listener..rofl

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:24 PM

u are correct and yet ya gotta ask yourself if u did not premeditate it then how did u intend it..but manslaughter is accidental..anyhow this guy could be out in 10 years or less I would bet..even less depending on what he cops for a plea..its totally wrong..u can get more jail time for killing a dog than a wife.
Cass may have better info-but my experience is that its not very often that you never get out of jail in canadaI guess we Americans are ruthless in the pursuit of justice.

:behindbar

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:25 PM

So with the combined sentence of 25 years for INTENDED 2nd degree murder, and 5 years for the "indignity to a dead body" charge, he faces a maximum of 30 years?

Hmmph.
I am thinking that that is why they added this charge-they want to have every way of making sure he serves time-even if its 5 years..(though u cannot have one charge stick without the other imo).

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:30 PM

...and yes, he will get a court-appointed lawyer if he cannot afford one..
...there will be a trial either by judge , or by jury..
...he's prosecuted by the 'crown' ( DA'S office ).......sentenced by the judge...
yes there will be a jury trial if he doesnt confess
we have the same system as u pretty much just that we are not allowed to have the press involved until after the trial..
we have public defenders too
its called legal aid

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:36 PM

There is a thread on this somewhere... missing from a cruise ship
I dont have any interest in the case but nancy was cracking me up. My post is about nancy not the case.

lauriej

07-18-2005, 10:37 PM

sorry friends- i was busy trying to get my eyeballs back where they belong..you can get 20 years for second degree murder and up to 5 yeears for the indignity..he could get 25 years but the difference is on second degree he will get parole- honestly canada is not hard enough on killers-its a shame because he should never see the light of day again imo
............the way i read it, he would get LWP either way ( whether it was 1st or 2nd..)
...YES...i agree with you completely in that we are too lenient on criminals...personally, i'm all in favour of the DP here in canada as well....

...what's worse..you rarely see anyone DO the maximun recommended penalty...

first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:39 PM

None of the links work. Can someone please provide that?
what links??

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:40 PM

............the way i read it, he would get LWP either way ( whether it was 1st or 2nd..)
...YES...i agree with you completely in that we are too lenient on criminals...personally, i'm all in favour of the DP here in canada as well....

...what's worse..you rarely see anyone DO the maximun recommended penalty...

first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)thats what I was just saying-he could be out in 10..and i doubt he will get 25 years-unless he is charged with double homicide..he should be in my opinion..
not sure that i want the death penalty across the board but people like clifford olson and paul bernardo should be getting it- I just dotn want our society going backwards-lock them up forever -its just as bad imo.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:42 PM

No DP, no LWOP, no press, gee....

No wonder it's so exciting for you Canadians over here!

:D

newtv

07-18-2005, 10:43 PM

No DP, no LWOP, no press, gee....

No wonder it's so exciting for you Canadians over here!

:D
rofl- for sure..never thot about it that way..

otto

07-18-2005, 10:43 PM

thats what I was just saying-he could be out in 10..and i doubt he will get 25 years-unless he is charged with double homicide..he should be in my opinion..

I think that if there are any mitigating circumstances, like they were arguing and he did something that resulted in her death (unpremeditated) then he could get out in 10 years. Indignity to a human body is nothing more than dumping her body.

otto

07-18-2005, 10:44 PM

No DP, no LWOP, no press, gee....

No wonder it's so exciting for you Canadians over here!

:D

There is life without parole, but people have to be declared dangerous offenders for that.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 10:51 PM

There is life without parole, but people have to be declared dangerous offenders for that.Then Mr. White should be declared, because his crime was intentional.

Jess

07-18-2005, 10:56 PM

It's been quite an education following this case.
I think that to truly be involved in any case, you really need posters who live in the area. Some facts that were given to the media would make no impression on posters who live out of province, such as the RCMP letting EPD take jurisdiction over the case. Knowing that Project Kare was not there.Knowing how much green space the city has or that the outskirts are so rural. Knowing what the neighbourhood is like. Maps on a national tv station were wrong! Having pictures taken really gives posters a feel for the place.( Thanks Karmarama !!)

It just really hit me how much misinformation I have heard on other cases and probably still believe. Interesting to note that the Global Edmonton reporter said they were informed of the charges by 2 e-mails and one phone call. The e-mails denied that Michael White was charged and that the investigation was ongoing. All the while the national media were reporting that he was charged.Finally a phone call confirming what the national media already knew !! Unbelievable !

Casshew

07-18-2005, 11:00 PM

I dont have any interest in the case but nancy was cracking me up. My post is about nancy not the case.
Sorry, I was just trying to help you out.. I think that case is totally bizarre

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:03 PM

Sorry, I was just trying to help you out.. I think that case is totally bizarre
oh gosh- i wasnt saying anything to u for telling me-I was just stating that I have no interest in the case..and please dont feel like i was-i appreciated your effort.

Casshew

07-18-2005, 11:04 PM

oh gosh- i wasnt saying anything to u for telling me-
Too bad Mr. White didn't disappear off a cruise ship :mad::twocents:

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:04 PM

Then Mr. White should be declared, because his crime was intentional.
they save that status primarily for sex offenders actually - at least thats the examples I have of those imprisoned forever..like bernardo and olson and there are sex offenders who dont ever get out that are less known..

spygirl

07-18-2005, 11:07 PM

It's been quite an education following this case.
I think that to truly be involved in any case, you really need posters who live in the area.Yes, it has been an education, and very interesting, because I am very interested in learning about Canadian culture.

Thanks to all who provided so much info! It's all fascinating.

But I disagree with having to live in the area; murders happen all over the U.S., in places I have never seen, in states where laws differ.

What kind of detracts me from this case now though, is that Liana and her family will never get the justice they deserve, as in the Laci Peterson case. That's disappointing.

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:08 PM

Too bad Mr. White didn't disappear off a cruise ship :mad::twocents:
exactly..rofl- what a scumbag-killing a wife with child - to me its more dispicable than a wife without child.
I got in trouble once for bringing up nancy when she was jumping out of her seat at the run-away-bride story and timex politely scolded me-and it was then that i realized its smart to say the point of my post is about nancy and not the case..
timex did not want me giving runaway society girl anymore press (i agreed with her actually)..
But sometimes u gotta bring in a ocntext is all..
nancy is really sarcastic at times..only she can do it.

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:11 PM

Yes, it has been an education, and very interesting, because I am very interested in learning about Canadian culture.

Thanks to all who provided so much info! It's all fascinating.

But I disagree with having to live in the area; murders happen all over the U.S., in places I have never seen, in states where laws differ.

What kind of detracts me from this case now though, is that Liana and her family will never get the justice they deserve, as in the Laci Peterson case. That's disappointing.
well its solved faster too- had scott not put her in the ocean and had he come clean he would likely be LWOP too..scott was more guilty by never leading them to the body-not that its much of a step up..and you are right..this guy will be lucky to serve 10 years if he happens to be a good prisoner.
Hard time is hard time but there is always a light at the end of the tunnell in canada..there is a good side to that and a bad-with domestic violence or any murder for that matter its bad.
I bet more people serve longer time for drug busts than murder..(I mean big time drug stuff)..but still...a life is a life.

adnoid

07-18-2005, 11:17 PM

...canada is not hard enough on killers...

But you Canadians (http://ccadp.org/inmates.htm) think WE are not nice to murderers and we should set them all free!

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:17 PM

well its solved faster too- had scott not put her in the ocean and had he come clean he would likely be LWOP too..scott was more guilty by never leading them to the body-not that its much of a step up..and you are right..this guy will be lucky to serve 10 years if he happens to be a good prisoner.
Hard time is hard time but there is always a light at the end of the tunnell in canada..there is a good side to that and a bad-with domestic violence or any murder for that matter its bad.
I bet more people serve longer time for drug busts than murder..(I mean big time drug stuff)..but still...a life is a life.I wouldnt be surprised if somehow it turns out to be a crime of passion-and he did not mean to kill her but lost his mind for 5 minutes-panicked, etc.
He will likely say she told him the child was not his - I mean who knows..but they can disprove that by taking blood from the fetus and doing a paternity test I would think..so that wont work-but without a prior history of crime u can bet he will get a soft landing..
hope I am wrong tho..

added..
What I really like about this case is the family feeling on this thread..for me its noticeable-canada being smaller than the states and the majority of US folks not that intrigued by this case (from the small numbers of posters), but I feel like we are family here right now-and its been great to feel closer to my canadian friends because sometimes I feel like we get lost in the shuffle in a larger thread..and to bond a bit with the folks from other places that have shown an interest is really sweet too..it means something to me when others care about people missing from other countries.

otto

07-18-2005, 11:19 PM

Then Mr. White should be declared, because his crime was intentional.

Dangerous offenders are people like Paul Bernardo and Clifford Olsen, people who have committed multiple crimes and there is little hope of rehabilitation. Prosecutors make a special application, independent of any particular crime, to have people designated as dangerous offenders.

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:22 PM

But you Canadians (http://ccadp.org/inmates.htm) think WE are not nice to murderers and we should set them all free!Well I dont think they should be set free-not theones I have followed in our forum..I am not sure what is right for people but I am having less and less patince for killers and I have none left for sex crimes.
I am pretty ok with throwing away the key - I do have some confusion about the death penalty only because it becomes to some extent arbitrary (within the law)..and it is hard to know if the line is drawn in the right places..but then I look at bernardo and olson and wonder what purpose we have in paying to keep this monters alive..
Anyhow I know what you are referring to in this post- I am addressing it more personally because u are a good guy and I like to talk to u..lol
Not trying to start a debate about the DP-not at all- that would be the wrong interpretation here.
I think for the most part our justice systems work - there are always going to be pitfalls.

added..and I am not part of that group nor would i ever be. We all need to keep our own back yards clean and let each other tdo what we think is right as a counrty.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 11:22 PM

What I really like about this case is the family feeling on this thread..for me its noticeable-canada being smaller than the states and the majority of US folks not that intrigued by this case (from the small numbers of posters), but I feel like we are family here right now-and its been great to feel closer to my canadian friends because sometimes I dont feel like we get lost in the shuffle in a larger thread..and to bond a bit with the folks from other places that have shown an interest is really sweet too..it means something to me when others care about people missing from other countries.:blowkiss:

otto

07-18-2005, 11:22 PM

But you Canadians (http://ccadp.org/inmates.htm) think WE are not nice to murderers and we should set them all free!

Canada had a vote, I think it was back in the 60's, and decided to abolish the death penalty. Most civilized countries don't have the death penalty. The 'civilized' part means that we hope people can be rehabilitated.

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:24 PM

:blowkiss:
right back atcha sweet spygurl..

:blowkiss::blowkiss:

spygirl

07-18-2005, 11:26 PM

right back atcha sweet spygurl..

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blushing:

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:29 PM

:blushing:
:blushing:-that icon is so sweet..
I am waiting to see if this guy confesses or puts us all thru hell now- I dont even know this family but its so wrong what goes on..and its just one call away from being at our own doors..I couldnt imagine hearing this happened to my sister for example.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 11:32 PM

I know I'm curious for the rest of the details. We'll know more in a couple of days....

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:36 PM

I know I'm curious for the rest of the details. We'll know more in a couple of days....
yeah -it seems on tuesday late afternoon there will be a press conference so our edmontonian friends will have to keep us apprised

Bobbisangel

07-18-2005, 11:38 PM

Its even worse if he committed an indignity to a dead body-what kind of creep is he?

Probably a creep who was trying to make it look like someone abducted her and then raped her. Maybe he doesn't know that a medical examiner can tell if the sex happened before or after her death. Look how he staged her car and her belongings. He staged the body too. Sounds to me like he is just a big dumb slob who didn't give a thought to how this will affect the life of his little daughter much less where he will spend the rest of his life. Now I hope he will be man enough to stand up and admit what he did the S.O.B.

lauriej

07-18-2005, 11:38 PM

from the NPB...( national parole board, canada )
http://www.npb-cnlc.gc.ca/whatsn/myths053001_e.htm

10. Myth

A life sentence in Canada means that offenders only have to serve 25 years before they are released.

Reality

A life sentence means life. Lifers ( "1st or 2nd degree ") will never again enjoy total freedom.

Offenders, convicted of first-degree murder, serve life as a minimum sentence with their first parole eligibility set by law at 25 years. For offenders convicted of second-degree murder, the judge may set parole eligibility at a point between 10 and 25 years.

Lifers can only be released from prison if granted parole by the Board. Unlike most inmates who are serving a sentence of fixed length, i.e. 2, 10, or 20 years, lifers are not entitled to statutory release. If granted parole they will, for the rest of their lives, remain subject to the conditions of parole and the supervision of a parole officer. Parole may be revoked and offenders returned to prison at any time if they violate the conditions of parole or commit a new offence.

Not all lifers will be granted parole. Some may never be released on parole because they continue to represent too great a risk to re-offend.

...so.....if he is tried and convicted of 2nd degree....parole eligibility is set by law at a minimum of 10 years...( possibly up to 25 ,depending on the judge..)

...i think that's outrageous.........10 years ??? ( and all he has to do for that is say it was an argument that got out of hand ? squeeze out a few tears for the jury ? SAY how sorry he is?( that the little girl no longer has a mother ??)

...other than his not buying a boat a couple of weeks ago, what's the difference between sp taking laci's life, amd michael taking liana's ?
...a life is a life is a life..........

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:40 PM

http://www.ctv.ca/canada

ok gang- this link takes u to ctv which is the main stay of broadcasting in canada..if u bookmark that link u can get the same news we are getting..they update it fairly fast..i am in vancouver so i dont mind posting updates - I am usually the last one up as I am a night hawk-but the news hasnt been fast and furious on this case anyhow.
I keep my homepage as google.ca that way I see my news all the time.
I like being in the know about anything important and being on my puter so much thats the best way.
We dont have a 24/7 news channel that I am aware of.

added..
http://news.google.ca/news?ned=ca&topic=n
here is the canadian google news link too
usually this type of case can be found in the first few headlines
but not if u just go to google.com
u have to click on the canadian news link
right now its the first headline but I doubt there is anything new to be learned right now.

I am thankful that it wasnt another wait and see case in terms of finding the body..

karmarama

07-18-2005, 11:40 PM

QUOTE]Indignity to a human body is nothing more than dumping her body.[/QUOTE]

Could this scenario, be offering an indignity to a body? since they could not identify the body, maybe Micheal White did some things to her after her death, so that she couldn't be identified right away ?
Gruesome thought, I know, but it happens.

Of course we still don't have confirmation that it was indeed Liana's body that was found. Or, she may have been identified on the scene and the police aren't telling us for some reason? Micheal white was taken into custody last night, so that makes me that it was her.

On the other side of the city, bones were found today by a person driving a bulldozer, he happened upon a blanket and decided to look under it, he found bones! no further details were offered, the bones are being tested to establish that they are human.

http://www.kare.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157

spygirl

07-18-2005, 11:41 PM

otto

07-18-2005, 11:46 PM

http://www.kare.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157[/url

It's possible he wanted everyone to assume the serial rapist had changed his MO. If the body found is Liana, then dumping her outside of the city is consistent with what the serial is doing. The serial was also burning bodies.

spygirl

07-18-2005, 11:46 PM

:laugh:Sounds to me like he is just a big dumb slob....

lauriej

07-18-2005, 11:46 PM

Canada had a vote, I think it was back in the 60's, and decided to abolish the death penalty. Most civilized countries don't have the death penalty. The 'civilized' part means that we hope people can be rehabilitated.
..........oh..ok..in the 60's ??

...no wonder i didn't remember ever being in on this vote...

...i wonder what would happen if we held a new and improved 2005 vote ?...

...i can remain "civilized" and hear of a convicted killer put to death at the same time...

Jess

07-18-2005, 11:49 PM

otto

07-18-2005, 11:50 PM

..........oh..ok..in the 60's ??

...no wonder i didn't remember ever being in on this vote...

...i wonder what would happen if we held a new and improved 2005 vote ?...

...i can remain "civilized" and hear of a convicted killer put to death at the same time...

I think Canada would need a good reason to re-introduce the death penalty and if Paul Bernardo wasn't a good enough reason, we'll never have a good reason. Also, keep in mind that most westernized countries have abolished the death penalty. There is no evidence that it is a deterant and as punishment, it is cruel. It makes us like them and I don't think Canadians want to be like murderers.

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:50 PM

I actually don't want this to turn into a big politcal discussion like the Aruban madhouse, but since there's nothing much else to discuss for now....

I was never real pro-DP. I would have been happy with LWOP for SP. But then, with our system, on appeal he would probably end up with (God forbid) life with the possibility of parole. And to me, that is unacceptable.

I kind of look at the DP as though two wrongs don't make it right. I surely wouldn't want to be the one to push the drugs or pull the switch.... because murder is murder. And who knows what/who we will have to answer to in the end. I don't like to think about putting my own soul at stake for someone the likes of these monsters.
I am kinda in that place too about the DP-and its no secret most get out in canada unless considered a dangerous offender but thats not more than 10 percent lets say..most people do not die in jail (I am sure its canada's way of not having to look after the aged)..but seriously I would not want scott out on the streets ever..so If faced with that I can see why..I just dont think I would want to be in the place to have to be involved-its just too much to live with even if they deserve it. I dont want anyone dying at my hands type thing not for them so much but for me- I am just too sensitive to the human condition- I cant survive alot of evil. Even killing it means I have to be around it. in that context.
But its not something i would argue with anyone about either..if people are for it I am not troubled - if they are against it I can relate. I am glad we are a nation known for its tolerance but there are areas where that isnt good-but we feel that to live with the best of what tolerance brings to a culture, we are stuck with the repercussions of giving people the best of democracy.
However, if u ever get stuck in jail in canada I would hunch its because you are the worst of the worst..or a repeat offender who keeps getting long sentences..those people die in prison for sure.

newtv

07-18-2005, 11:51 PM

Does anyone remember ANY of Liana's co workers talking to the media ? I remember a new mom saying something, but no one else. The neighbours were just that - neighbours -- not close friends. You think the close friends and co -workers had something to tell police and then kept quiet ? Perhaps Liana had confided in people even though to the neighbours she was seemingly happy ?
The neighbors seem to have thot they were a happy couple and are having a hard time belieiving its the husband and in fact one said she doesnt believe it.
I am a little surprised at the lack of people commenting but I am beginning to think we have learned something thru the peterson case about protecting the victim..the rocha camp said nothing and I think thats a good thing.