Brooke Wilberger Part 2

[WindChime]

Continue on :-)

[wordsnmorewords]

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=223053&nid=5

Will try to find more on this in other local papers.

Looks like you all found a ton, also. He looks like MH. :eek:
Thank goodness for credible witnesses! Finally, maybe some closure at least for the family.

[JerseyGirl]

Man charged in the murder of Brooke Wilberger. Her body has not been found. Per Greta.

[gatetrekker44]

but that the individual had already been in custody as a suspect in a sexual assault on a foreign-exchange student in New Mexico. And that he is being charged with murder in Brooke's case.


Bring Maura home!

[scandi]

Is this breaking news today? It is the first I have heard anything about Brooke in a long time, and I'm in Portland right N of Corvallis! There has been nothing on the local news here either, and I never miss it as you can imagine. LOL



Scandi

[scandi]

How interesting,
On June 18th, our poster named Mysteiew {sp} wrote this post. Was there no news articles about the van being found in Az?

"The Corvallis Police Department is dispelling rumors that a green van associated with the Brooke Wilberger disappearance was found in Arizona, giving investigators what they needed to solve the case.

Police also asked the man who identified himself as "Brian" and called 911 the day of Wilberger's disappearance to contact the police department.

http://www.gazettetimes.com/article...ty/friloc03.txt


Scandi

[scandi]

Here is the first article about this man arrested and charged with Brookes murder. How do they know she is dead for sure? Unless he confessed!

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/08/03/news/community/bwilberger.txt

Scandi


EDIT: They say in thiis article there was a news conference today at 2pm. Did anyone watch it?

Amazing to find the killer before locating the remains, isn't it.




Scandi

[blueclouds]

Another article:
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1123024969130251.xml&storylist=orlocal

OMG........... it's amazing how LE piece this together. I hope and PRAY that the family will be provided her location of her remains for some PEACE.

Dear Lord, I pray for this................


AMEN. :(

God Bless Brookes family & friends.

[annemc2]

Looks like he was arrested Dec 2004 for the crime against the exchange student. Here is a link about that incident


http://web.abqtrib.com/archives/news04/120204_news_kidnap.shtml

(looks like Bodhi and I posted at the same time!)

[Bhodirasta]

Man jailed in rape case

The cooperation of an alleged victim and another woman leads to a quick arrest in Albuquerque.

By Arthur Simoni
Tribune Reporter

A helpful witness helped take a dangerous man off the streets, says Officer Trish Ahrensfield, an Albuquerque Police Department spokeswoman.

Joel Patrick Courtney, 38, is charged with first-degree criminal sexual penetration, kidnapping and aggravated battery after police caught up with him Tuesday at 2105 Renard Place S.E.
http://web.abqtrib.com/archives/news04/120204_news_kidnap.shtml
..............

[scandi]

BlueClouds,

Do you think this guy has confessed to the crime? Do you think the police know where her body is? Questions, more Questions, I'm sorry, but it is such a sudden happening I am almost in a state of shock. I felt very passionate about Brookes having gone missing at all, much less without a trace, that it even maximizes the shock that I feel.


Scandi

[texasgirl]

I think the news conference is tomorrow. Here's another link that I don't think has been posted yet.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=78798

Oh, I hope they find her!!!!

[scandi]

Thanks Bhodi,

This story is les than 4 hours old. He was not sitting in jail, but roaming the streets. And he is bu!! ugly - scary, isn't he. Poor Brooke. OMGT, can you imagine this guy accosting you with a knife?

I hope he has confessed. Wonder if Corvallis was looking for this guy and already knew he was the one?



Scandi

[blueclouds]

I don't think this guy has confessed at all! :furious: COWARD .

It even states that in the article that he's "NOT RESPONSIBLE" for Brookes disappearance. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Bobbisangel]

I wonder why he murdered Brooke but raped the other girl and then dumped her off alive? The article was kind of confusing...did he let her go or did she get her hands untied and escape from the car and run? You wouldn't think he would have let her go because she could identify him. It sounds like he drove the girl to another parking lot and that is when she either got away or he let her go.

I wish that they would find out that he dropped Brooke off somewhere and she is alive but can't remember who she is...wishful thinking I know.

It will be interesting to see how LE came to the conclusion that this guy kidnapped Brooke and murdered her.

I look at Brooke's pictures and she is such a pretty sweet girl. So sad.

[ShowerSinger]

What a scum. Maybe he'll get the death penalty? I'm saddened by this, but know the family is relieved that this perv can no longer prey on young women. Thanks for the early update. I've been reading about this for some time.

PS...That original person of interest "Panty Perv" needs to be off the streets, as well. It seemed as if that sicko could do something horrible, if the opportunity presented itself. What if someone had caught him in the act of stealing all those panties?

[scandi]

Hi Bobbie,

In one of the articles from tonight, it says LE will not need any more tips from the public and also that her finddrew site will be taken down. Sounds like they are much more than positive that he is the one who killed her and they must have evidence of her death to say this, right?

On the local news tonight it talked about his family who are from Beaverton Or. They said in May of 2004 he came back to Beaverton from down South and that he was picked up on a DUII the same day that Brooke went missing. He would have to have driven by Corvallis on his way up to the Portland area. They said the family who is a lovely family acc to the neighbors, have been working with LE for months now.

So therefore we could deduce that he could have left evidence in their home or in a vehicle that tracked back to Brooke, which is what furthered the case. It is exactly like what Dr Henry Lee said last night on LKL, get a piece of evidence that connects the two and then question him about the evidence and what it tells in the story of the crime.

The Corvallis police have been so professional in this case that I'm sure all their i's are dotted. I just want to know what the evidence was that linked him to her death.

Gee, this means they must have proof that she is dead. That has to be pretty substantial evidence, don't you think. Like a weapon with his fingerprints on it and her blood. And if he was drunk he was probably very sloppy and left a mountain of clues.

Just wind me up, get me going . . . . . .LOL


Scandi

[mysteriew]

Why would the family immediately take down the web site? Her body hasn't been found yet. LE either has info that they know what happened to the body or has already located it.

[fran]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1123063670114990.xml&coll=7

Man accused in Wilberger case
Benton County serves a murder warrant on Joel P. Courtney, jailed in New Mexico, in Brooke Wilberger's 2004 disappearance
Wednesday, August 03, 2005
BRYAN DENSON
and BOAZ HERZOG

Police served a murder warrant Tuesday on a New Mexico prisoner in the disappearance of college student Brooke Wilberger, 14 months after the 19-year-old woman vanished from a Corvallis apartment complex without a trace.

snip..........................

Noble told The Associated Press that Wilberger hasn't been found. "We still don't know where Brooke is," he said.

Courtney, who has lived in Oregon, Alaska, New Mexico and Florida, also served three months in jail in Washington County after a May 16, 1991, conviction for sex abuse and escaping from authorities.

"We believe justice needs to be served," said Dina McBride of Beaverton, Courtney's sister. "He has a long history of involvement in things that have been hurtful to many people, and he needs to be held accountable for those behaviors."

McBride, who described herself as a spokeswoman for her family, said she was aware that her brother would be charged with murder and said her family has cooperated with the task force investigating Wilberger's disappearance for several months.

Courtney lived in New Mexico with his wife and three young children prior to last fall's arrest, she said.

Benton County authorities have called a 2 p.m. news conference today in Corvallis to release details about how they connected Courtney to Wilberger's abduction.

"This is the correct guy and we'll have more information," Noble said.

snip..............................
more at link..................

[mysteriew]

Wilberger's close friend and would-be BYU roommate Brittany Knight expressed hope Tuesday that the body of her friend would be found now that a suspect is in custody.

The Wilberger family was apprised of the recent developments in the case but would not comment when contacted Tuesday by multiple media outlets.

The Corvallis Police Department has scheduled a press conference for this afternoon.
http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600153184,00.html

[Anngelique]

Here are a few snips from this lengthy article. They are having a press conference at 2 PM Pacific and we will find out more. What a complete scumbag this guy is! I pray for Brooke's family!


http://katu.com/stories/78803.html

According to a record check ran by KATU News, Courtney has a criminal history in both Oregon and New Mexico that includes sexual abuse charges.

In 1985 at 19 years old, Courtney went to prison where he did nine years of hard time in the Oregon Department of Corrections for a sex abuse case out of Washington County.

Other items on his record include felonies, misdemeanors and violations, but perhaps the most interesting bit of information is what happened after Courtney was arrested on a drunk driving charge in January of 2004.


Courtney was supposed to appear in court on May 24, 2004, the same day Brooke Wilberger disappeared, but he never showed up.

Court records show he called the Lincoln County Court to say he was in Corvallis on his way to Newport that day, but he never made his appointment.

As for the incident involving a student at the University of Mexico, the victim told police Courtney pulled a knife on her and demanded she get into a car. She said she was then tied up with a shoestring and sexually assaulted.

She was able to break free and run for help. Her ability to identify Courtney and get him locked up may have been just the alarm Corvallis police needed to look in his direction.

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1123063670114990.xml&coll=7

"We believe justice needs to be served," said Dina McBride of Beaverton, Courtney's sister. "He has a long history of involvement in things that have been hurtful to many people, and he needs to be held accountable for those behaviors."

McBride, who described herself as a spokeswoman for her family, said she was aware that her brother would be charged with murder and said her family has cooperated with the task force investigating Wilberger's disappearance for several months.Thank God his family aided police!

I hope they find Brooke soon so that her family can say a proper goodbye.

[lisag]

They are being too evasive - I think the police know more.. Hopefully her family can bring her home soon.
Prayers for Brooke and her family!

[lynie]

I am sure too that they know more but are protecting the case. We may here more at the 2:oopm news conference.

An interesting statement was made today by this Courtney-jerkheads sister.
It was something to the effect that he has had problems for a very long time and whatever punishment he may get is truely deserved. Sounds like his family here in Beaverton (Where I live!) has been very cooperative with the investigation....

[fran]

On the local news tonight it talked about his family who are from Beaverton Or. They said in May of 2004 he came back to Beaverton from down South and that he was picked up on a DUII the same day that Brooke went missing. He would have to have driven by Corvallis on his way up to the Portland area. They said the family who is a lovely family acc to the neighbors, have been working with LE for months now.
Scandi


Oh good grief! Don't tell me from '94 to 2004 he was in California? or do they mean 'down south' as in Southern Oregon?

I could think of several girls gone missing in California during the '94-2004 time period. :doh: Some were wearing 'school sweatshirts.'

Da#n sexual predators!

JMHO
fran

[mysteriew]

The fact that her family has not been speaking to the media leads me to think that LE may have been able to give them some very definative answers.

[Anngelique]

The fact that her family has not been speaking to the media leads me to think that LE may have been able to give them some very definative answers.

I just watched the video on www.katu.com and the police has asked the family of Brooke's and the family of the suspect NOT to speak to the media until AFTER the news conference. They said the family HAS been in the loop but has been asked not to speak. I bet we will hear from both of these family when the news conference is over.

[fran]

The fact that her family has not been speaking to the media leads me to think that LE may have been able to give them some very definative answers.

This probably says it all, IMO:


http://www.katu.com/stories/78803.html

Police said after Wednesday, they would no longer need the public's help in terms of tips or information in the case


JMHO
fran

[A.Wood]

I dont know what to say. Atleast they know, and do not have to wonder anymore. how sad.

[scandi]

Hi Fran,

That was one of the first news blurbs I heard about it on TV, and it turns out it was not correct, so I don't know. He didn't actually get the DUII that day in 2004, but was due in court on the charge that day. Big difference.

I know from what the release was to the press on the info we heard last night has to say they know she is dead and who killed her, or they would not have arrested HIM on that CHARGE! Something was said about the Corvallis PD piecing everything together, so I bet with this charge in place, they already have all their ducks in a row. They might even know what happened to her. Maybe her body has been desintegrated in some way.


Scandi

[fran]

Hi Fran,

That was one of the first news blurbs I heard about it on TV, and it turns out it was not correct, so I don't know. He didn't actually get the DUII that day in 2004, but was due in court on the charge that day. Big difference.

I know from what the release was to the press on the info we heard last night has to say they know she is dead and who killed her, or they would not have arrested HIM on that CHARGE! Something was said about the Corvallis PD piecing everything together, so I bet with this charge in place, they already have all their ducks in a row. They might even know what happened to her. Maybe her body has been desintegrated in some way.


Scandi

hi Scandi:

What I'm getting out of all of read is that the very day that Brooke disappeared, the perp was supposed to appear in court but phoned and said he was in Corvallis and on his way. He never showed.

He placed himself where Brooke disappeared from. It kind of sounds as if they may have the car or van too.

JMHO
fran

[annemc2]

They're (Benton county DA) really not saying much about specifics in the case. Just that the green minivan WAS the link and that it was located "out of state" (not in NM). Never able to locate "Brian." No body located. Not saying much about evidence; Albuquerque PD contacted Newport (OR) PD to check for similar crimes in the area. Newport referred them to Corvallis and "a connection was made." This happened in early Dec 2004. DA "doesn't want to try case in the media" so is not saying much more. Grand jury has apparently been held in this case.

Press release (summary) will be released 3pm (PT) including copies of arrest warrants, indictments, etc. Capt Noble: "We still have a lot of work to do." "We still don't know where Brooke is."

[lynie]

I can't believe that the media, knowing that he was in the Portland/Beaverton area hasn't found an old high school teacher or beer buddy yet! I want to hear more about this creature...did you hear he was married with 3 kids?

lynie

[Anngelique]

It sounds like these LEs are truly doing a good job. They are not soiling the case by giving out too many details, it sounds as if they are being very thorough and it sounds like they have their man! From watching CW Jensen give his thoughts on the case it sounds like they must have found physical evidence placing Brooke in that green van. He said this is imperative because there would be NO other reason to place Brooke with this suspect. If her fingerprints, or DNA is found in that vehicle than you have found your culprit to her disappearance.

I have been very upset over this case after Robert St James started implying blame onBrooke's family, namely her brother-in-law Zak. I hope he offers a public apology here on this thread after all the facts come out. I hardly ever let things bother me but I used to walk away almost in tears and so upset that her family was being victimized after all they have been through. They seem like an amazing family, strong, full of strength, uprightness and fully united. It broke my heart that someone would lay blame at their door.

[annemc2]

That's funny you mention him, Anngelique - I've been wondering if RStJ is going to make an appearance back here and comment on the latest developments.....

[lynie]

Robert dear Robert....everyone is allowed to have their opinions, and I do believe he would say "wait, the police have not divulged their information, Zak could have been there holding Brooke waiting for dirt-ball to come pick her up so he could meet up later." :doh: :doh:

:slap: :slap: :slap:

[Bhodirasta]

Heck,
I should eat crow too.
I thought it could be some sect leader or visitor like the Lafferty Bros...

What was he doing there? Seems like he was in to scoping campuses.
A LOT of the time though, it does turn out to be someone the victim somehow knows.
I am wondering about the initial green van tip...

[concernedperson]

Has anyone heard the press conference on the west coast? If so, please let us know.

[annemc2]

I posted a synopsis of the press conf in post #32 - sorry, I didn't label it!

[lynie]

Yep...just finished a news conference with Joel Courtneys family....basically that his family (conference given by his older sister) would appreciate no media contact, and that she would be the family spokesperson. They have small children and an elderly relative in the home, and any additional upheavel could be harmful to these innocent people.

She also said that she is impressed with the professionalism and courtesy of the law enforcement folks that they have dealt with.

Sounds like the Courtney family is a decent one, I am sorry he has placed them in a bad position...

Bhodi...I know all of us were throwing around therories...The remarks about RStJ I believe refer to the insistence he had that the Corvallis police were trying to cover for the brother-in-law, and putting out some ideas that could be considered hurtful to the Wilberger family.

Heck, I too thought that she could have been "stolen" by a religious sect! especially after reading "Under the Banner of Heaven". I really wish this were the case :o(

[concernedperson]

I posted a synopsis of the press conf in post #32 - sorry, I didn't label it!

Thanks, I was hoping for a link but your word is good enough for me. Getting here late today and so much is happening that I am jumping from thread to thread just trying to keep up. :blowkiss:

[Anngelique]

Yep...just finished a news conference with Joel Courtneys family....basically that his family (conference given by his older sister) would appreciate no media contact, and that she would be the family spokesperson. They have small children and an elderly relative in the home, and any additional upheavel could be harmful to these innocent people.

She also said that she is impressed with the professionalism and courtesy of the law enforcement folks that they have dealt with.

Sounds like the Courtney family is a decent one, I am sorry he has placed them in a bad position...

Bhodi...I know all of us were throwing around therories...The remarks about RStJ I believe refer to the insistence he had that the Corvallis police were trying to cover for the brother-in-law, and putting out some ideas that could be considered hurtful to the Wilberger family.

Heck, I too thought that she could have been "stolen" by a religious sect! especially after reading "Under the Banner of Heaven". I really wish this were the case :o(

Just for clarification though, since I am an active Mormon woman living in Salem and most of my close acquaintances and family members are also LDS I would like people to know that we do NOT have anything to do with broken off sects of the LDS church. Mainstream Mormonism is not into all of that strange, wierd stuff you read about in books like "Under the Banner of Heaven". There are sick, sick individuals in all walks of life proclaiming affiliations with almost every mainstream religions, people that have taken their sick minds to the extreme. These individuals should not be confused with the normal, good that the religion that they soiled does. The REAL Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an honorable, good church. We do more for the world as a whole second to only Red Cross and now are often there before Red Cross in world catostrophes. You do not hear about these good works because we believe in serving the Lord and not for seeking recognition. Brooke's family was from the normal LDS family. Again, I reiterate, we do not associate with sects that have broken away. I know of one person in all my life that has ever associated themselves with these extreme fundamentalists and he left his family and moved to Montana to have more wives and live that way of life. I have never had contact with him again and I would not want to. I thought he was way "off" before he left. I mean come on, you can normally tell when they are stranger than science. :D

[Anngelique]

Thanks, I was hoping for a link but your word is good enough for me. Getting here late today and so much is happening that I am jumping from thread to thread just trying to keep up. :blowkiss:

go to www.katu.com and I believe you can actually watch it yourself. :)

[Bhodirasta]

When was the first Green Van tip called in, and was it a new tip?
Were the plate numbers given?
Does anyone know what he was doing there?
If he attacked another student, it seems that he was a campus prowler.

[Beffie]

Here is a new article I just ran across. They have to know something. They have all the charges including murder, kidnapping, rape, sexual abuse and sodomy. This scum bag has a wife and three kids. They think he might be a serial killer.

http://www.katu.com/stories/78821.html

Another sick SOB who shouldn't of been on the street. :behindbar

[lostfaith]

Here is a new article I just ran across. They have to know something. They have all the charges including murder, kidnapping, rape, sexual abuse and sodomy. This scum bag has a wife and three kids. They think he might be a serial killer.

http://www.katu.com/stories/78821.html

Another sick SOB who shouldn't of been on the street. :behindbar



Time to start looking at the cases of the collage age missing girls, and see if it is possible that he was in the area. I agree, they must have some good evidence on him. I feel sorry for his family also, they seem like good people by the way they have helped the investigation and the way they talk about how justice needs to be served. I wonder about his wife? Poor woman!

[JerseyGirl]

Here is a new article I just ran across. They have to know something. They have all the charges including murder, kidnapping, rape, sexual abuse and sodomy.Do these include the charges for the other girl that escaped from him? I don't know if they can indict for two cases at once. The charges as outlined in one of the links here:

KATU 2 - Portland, Oregon (http://www.katu.com/stories/78821.html)

The specific counts are: 14 counts of Aggravated Murder Alleged In Alternative Theories, 2 counts of Aggravated Kidnapping in the First Degree, 1 count of First-Degree Rape, 1 County of First-Degree Sexual Abuse and 1 count of First-Degree Sodomy.

(I don't know what 14 counts of aggravated murder alleged in alternative theories means - anyone know?)

[JerseyGirl]

KATU 2 - Portland, Oregon (http://www.katu.com/stories/78821.html)


According to Kari Brandenburg, Bernalillo County District Attorney, Courtney is "a possible suspect in other homicides." When asked whether those cases involved college students, Brandenburg said "yes."

In New Mexico and in Oregon, the victims were both young college students and it is possible the other victims that Brandenburg spoke of were college age as well. Investigators are now trying to link Courtney to other unsolved murders.

"In this one (the case in New Mexico), we have a live victim and we're very thankful for that," said Brandenburg. "In some of the other cases, the victim wasn't that fortunate. So this is an individual that we want to put away for the rest of his life."

[mysteriew]

I still do not understand. The family is not talking and they are taking the website down. The police say they no longer need tips from the public. The van has been found. LE says that they have not found her body. I would think that since they have the suspect in custody, that they would now turn to looking for her body, thus still needing public support. Where is her body?
They are acting as though they know what happened to her body, yet still claim not to have the body. And where are the bodies of the other alleged victims? And who are the other alleged victims.

[Bhodirasta]

I still do not understand. The family is not talking and they are taking the website down. The police say they no longer need tips from the public. The van has been found. LE says that they have not found her body. I would think that since they have the suspect in custody, that they would now turn to looking for her body, thus still needing public support. Where is her body?
They are acting as though they know what happened to her body, yet still claim not to have the body. And where are the bodies of the other alleged victims? And who are the other alleged victims.

Furthermore,
why would they take the website down, when anyone who would click on it could be led to other missing persons cases in order to help other people with missing children...???????

[mysteriew]

People who took part in the search last year for missing 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger said Wednesday morning they were glad someone has been charged in the case, but they were sad and disappointed the arrest probably means the Brigham Young University student is dead.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/08/03/news/community/cwilberger.txt

Joel Patrick Courtney, 39, is in jail at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Albuquerque, N.M., awaiting trial on charges that he allegedly kidnapped and sexually assaulted a student at the University of New Mexico last November.

"The name is accurate. That's all correct," Corvallis Police Capt. Ron Noble said Tuesday night.

Some news sources reported that investigators had not located Wilberger's body.

Noble declined to confirm whether that information was accurate, adding that information would be covered at today's news conference.
http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2005/08/03/news/top_story/wed01.txt

An indictment against Courtney was filed Monday in Benton County Circuit Court and a warrant was issued, an official at the Bernalillo County Metropolitan Detention Center in New Mexico said.

Bernalillo County is holding Courtney without bail as a fugitive.

The Benton County charges include 14 counts of aggravated murder, likely for different theories about how Wilberger was presumed killed. Noble said Wilberger had not yet been found.

Courtney also is charged in Benton County with first-degree rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and kidnapping.

He will be extradited, the Bernalillo County official said.

"It is significant," Noble said. "It's significant from an investigation standpoint, but there's still a lot of work to do."

Tuesday's announcement of a break in the case came two months after Corvallis police asked for the public's help tracking down information about a green minivan seen driving erratically the day Wilberger vanished.

One of two people of interest in the Wilberger case has a connection with a green vehicle, Noble said then.

Noble refused to say what led police to Courtney.
http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050803/NEWS/508030327/1002

[lynie]

Hi all...I thought I heard Cammy Wilberger say they were NOT taking the website down....at the news conference. I have tried to look but didn't see it, but was sure I heard it! Could be the voices in my head...

Maybe they do not need any tips from the public because they are trying to apply pressure to Courtney somehow OR they searched every conceivable place locally that was possible in the initial investigation. They certainly left very few stones unturned.

As far as others missing, what was the name again of the gal that went missing I think at San Luis Obispo around the time Scott Peterson was there?
They were kinda looking at him about the disappearence....

[Only4Justice]

As far as others missing, what was the name again of the gal that went missing I think at San Luis Obispo around the time Scott Peterson was there?
They were kinda looking at him about the disappearence....

Her name was Kristen Smart. Did you hear they were looking into her dissappearance in connection with this guy too?

[Anngelique]

Do these include the charges for the other girl that escaped from him? I don't know if they can indict for two cases at once. The charges as outlined in one of the links here:

KATU 2 - Portland, Oregon (http://www.katu.com/stories/78821.html)

The specific counts are: 14 counts of Aggravated Murder Alleged In Alternative Theories, 2 counts of Aggravated Kidnapping in the First Degree, 1 count of First-Degree Rape, 1 County of First-Degree Sexual Abuse and 1 count of First-Degree Sodomy.

(I don't know what 14 counts of aggravated murder alleged in alternative theories means - anyone know?)

CW Jensen spoke about this on KATU after the news conference. He said that it is because they have alternate theories about what happened. He did not say that they would dwindle the charges down after they got more information but he said it was very common to charge them with all counts with each theory they have. I hope that makes sense to you. The 12 witnesses by the way are not eye witnesses, they are forensic specialists and other specialists. So they MUST have some kind of DNA to tie this guy to the crime. They held a grand jury all ready and they found sufficient evidence to charge him with the murder of Brooke. So there is some kind of physical evidence placing Brooke with this sicko. My bet is some of her DNA or fingerprint was found in that green van. I think this is the tightest lipped LE I have personally ever experienced but from what I understand it is the correct way to do it.

While visiting another site I saw where someone was saying they don't think this is a major development like the media is making it out to be because of Kim the panty thief and a few others who's names were connected with this case. He said that there was a big hype in the media about them and we all know they did not do it and that Kim's family is now sueing LE for wrongful arrest. I would refute that as the LE ALWAYS said these other individuals were persons of interests and they were being closely looked at. NEVER were they arrested for a crime connected to Brooke. They were only arrested for other crimes indendent to this case. It was the media who put the hype of these other individuals, not LE. This time around it was the LE who said we have an arrest, we have our guy. I think they DO have the correct person and I believe they have physical evidence of Brooke's to pin this on this very sick indivdual.

[fran]

Her name was Kristen Smart. Did you hear they were looking into her dissappearance in connection with this guy too?

IMO, there are several college-age girls, missing without a trace, during the time this guy was on the loose. Seems he could be suspect in several states. LE is finally getting it,... these perverts are very mobil, which is why they keep getting away with it. That's why we needed a National Sex Offender data base. When it comes to sex crimes, it seems there's no bounds and jurisdictions need to work together.

JMHO
fran

[JerseyGirl]

CW Jensen spoke about this on KATU after the news conference. He said that it is because they have alternate theories about what happened. He did not say that they would dwindle the charges down after they got more information but he said it was very common to charge them with all counts with each theory they have. I hope that makes sense to you.Yes, it does. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me.

While visiting another site I saw where someone was saying they don't think this is a major development like the media is making it out to be because of Kim the panty thief and a few others who's names were connected with this case. He said that there was a big hype in the media about them and we all know they did not do it and that Kim's family is now sueing LE for wrongful arrest. I would refute that as the LE ALWAYS said these other individuals were persons of interests and they were being closely looked at. NEVER were they arrested for a crime connected to Brooke. They were only arrested for other crimes indendent to this case. It was the media who put the hype of these other individuals, not LE. This time around it was the LE who said we have an arrest, we have our guy. I think they DO have the correct person and I believe they have physical evidence of Brooke's to pin this on this very sick indivdual.First of all, I'm convinced that LE has the right guy. Not only did they get the indictment but they're also planning on taking the web site down, and no longer taking tips from the public. They've got to be absolutely certain IMO. Especially considering the witnesses that testified at the grand jury. I agree that they probably have forensic evidence that ties this pig to Brooke.

As for the Kim family suing, all I can say is I wish people like that would get a life. If they want to clear his name, then go on some talk shows or something. It's just another case of someone seeing a chance to try to make a quick buck. Hopefully the judge will throw it right out of court.

[scandi]

:clap: Bravo JerseyGirl! I agree they should get a life, and the thought of them suing when they have such a sick son who is so sexually perverted he could have commited a crime like this is almost unbelievable to me. Remember they found all of that literature in his room on torturing women, in fact I think it even involved cutting them. I read he might have been at the stage in his illness {!} that murder could have been his next act!


Scandi

[Anngelique]

:clap: Bravo JerseyGirl! I agree they should get a life, and the thought of them suing when they have such a sick son who is so sexually perverted he could have commited a crime like this is almost unbelievable to me. Remember they found all of that literature in his room on torturing women, in fact I think it even involved cutting them. I read he might have been at the stage in his illness {!} that murder could have been his next act!


Scandi

You are so correct Scandi! Kim is an extremely sick individual. not only did he have an aresenal stockpiled in his home, he also had tons of videos, pictures, internet sites of tortured and abused women. This is NOT normal and he could act out on this for sure! Kim is where he belongs and I hope they throw away the key. His family is saying the LE embarrassed their family. Why don't they place the blame where it belongs? That blame belongs to their son and no one else!

[JerseyGirl]

His family is saying the LE embarrassed their family.Are you kidding me??? I swear that now I've heard it all. Considering all of the information that you and Scandi mentioned that LE has on that guy, I suspect that the judge will indeed toss their case out. What a waste of taxpayer money. And if he was never even arrested in connection to Brooke, and only in other crimes that he DID commit, or in which the police were justified in thinking he could have committed, how can they sue for false arrest? I'm so sick of frivolous lawsuits, I can't even tell you.

Maybe Kim's family can simply join the rest of us in our happiness that the pig that's responsible for Brooke's disappearance will finally be held accountable for his disgusting actions. I guess that would mean caring about someone other than themselves. :rolleyes:

[Anngelique]

Are you kidding me??? I swear that now I've heard it all. Considering all of the information that you and Scandi mentioned that LE has on that guy, I suspect that the judge will indeed toss their case out. What a waste of taxpayer money. And if he was never even arrested in connection to Brooke, and only in other crimes that he DID commit, or in which the police were justified in thinking he could have committed, how can they sue for false arrest? I'm so sick of frivolous lawsuits, I can't even tell you.

Maybe Kim's family can simply join the rest of us in our happiness that the pig that's responsible for Brooke's disappearance will finally be held accountable for his disgusting actions. I guess that would mean caring about someone other than themselves. :rolleyes:

Here is more on this ridiculous lawsuit.

http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=78735

Sung Koo Kim's family files $11 million lawsuit


PORTLAND, Ore. - The family of Sung Koo Kim, the man who was once suspected in the disappearance of Brooke Wilberger, is suing.
Kim's parents and sister are suing two cities, a county and nearly 40 policemen for $11 million, claiming their Tigard home was unlawfully searched.

The lawsuit claims police used excessive force. And that the search caused the family to suffer "shock, fear, anxiety, humiliation, and mental and emotional pain."

[Anngelique]

This shows what a scum Kim is.

February 7, 2005
Sung Koo Kim, the best-known of several "persons of interest" under investigation for Brooke's disappearance, has been cleared by police after every lead involving him came up negative. Kim is in custody on burglary and theft charges for allegedly stealing thousands of pairs of women's underwear from the dormitories of nearby colleges. His computer contains (according to police reports) thousands of images of women being raped, tortured and mutilated; what appears to be a checklist for torturing and raping a woman; a list of countries that don't extradite criminals back to the United States; and research on a female Oregon State University swim team member who was petite and blonde (like Brooke).
A police spokesman pointed out that the removal of Kim from the list of suspects doesn't mean investigators have determined "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that he wasn't involved in Brooke's disappearance.

http://crime.allinfoabout.com/wilberger/updates.html

[fran]

:clap: Bravo JerseyGirl! I agree they should get a life, and the thought of them suing when they have such a sick son who is so sexually perverted he could have commited a crime like this is almost unbelievable to me. Remember they found all of that literature in his room on torturing women, in fact I think it even involved cutting them. I read he might have been at the stage in his illness {!} that murder could have been his next act!Scandi

I can't agree more, Scandi! All this guy would have had to do was accidentally break into someone's house while they were home, or run into a guy just like the one now standing accused of the Wilberger crime. IMO, he was a 'murder waiting to happen.' :eek:

They should be glad he was caught and get him help! :mad:

JMHO
fran

[JerseyGirl]

The lawsuit claims police used excessive force. And that the search caused the family to suffer "shock, fear, anxiety, humiliation, and mental and emotional pain."11 million dollars worth, apparently. Pathetic.

[mysteriew]

11 million dollars worth, apparently. Pathetic.

But the shock of finding out that their son was a pervert evidently didn't cause them any trauma.

[mysteriew]

Corvallis police on Wednesday credited savvy police work -- in New Mexico and Oregon -- for the arrest of a former Beaverton man in connection with the disappearance and death of Brooke Wilberger, 19.

At a news conference where officials offered new details about the case and the suspect, the Wilberger family vowed to keep searching for their daughter's body.

A Benton County grand jury indicted Courtney on Friday on 14 counts of aggravated murder, each offering different circumstances under which Wilberger presumably was killed. He also is charged with kidnapping, rape, sodomy and sexual abuse.

He is being held without bail at the Bernalillo County Metropolitan Detention Center in Albuquerque.
http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050804/NEWS/508040362/1001

[mysteriew]

I have a question. Traditionally LE won't file charges unless they have some physical evidence of the crime or a strong witness testimony. This would have to independent of any confession. They haven't found a body, but they are charging him with rape and sodomy. With no body, what could be the evidence?

[Anngelique]

I do daycare for an Assistant DA here in Salem, Oregon. I talked to her this morning about this new development with Brooke. She said she knows the DA who was at the press conference and also said that because of the different charges (based on theories again) and because they had a grand jury find that they have a strong enough case to go forward with the charges, she personally would put money on blood evidence along with possible semen evidence in the green van. She believes by what little she knows that they have quite a bit more than the public knows. Especially since they said they would no longer need help from the public. She also wonders if he might have confessed. She said of course this is all speculation but from her professional assessment she believes they have some very strong evidence. This would be great news :woohoo: :clap: Let's get another scumbag off the streets!

[mysteriew]

His past includes other convictions and charges for violent crimes against women, alcohol and drug abuse, and questions of mental illness.
http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2005/08/04/news/community/thu03.txt

On Wednesday, she made her first public appearance after police arrested a man for the murder of Brooke Wilberger.

Wearing a pink blouse, a color that became synonymous with the "Find Brooke" campaign, Cammy Wilberger addressed a room full of reporters, and the television and radio audience that was watching and listening.

A hopeful, Cammy Wilberger maintained an ever-present calm.

"This is not over yet," she said. "To come this far, a lot of prayers have been answered."
http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2005/08/04/news/community/thu02.txt

Though police say they have not yet found the 19-year-old Veneta woman's body, Heiser told assembled reporters that prosecutors have enough evidence to "pursue the case aggressively."

Courtney's connection to Wilberger's disappearance was confirmed because of a 1997 green Dodge Caravan, Heiser said.

Corvallis police requested the public's help this spring, hoping to hear from someone who may have seen the van the day of Wilberger's abduction. Investigators have the van. However, Heiser declined to comment on what evidence may have been found inside.
http://www.gtconnect.com/articles/2005/08/04/news/top_story/thu01.txt

Wilbergers's hometown reacts to news of Courtney arrest
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=78828

[annemc2]

Apparently the green minivan was owned by this company
www.creative-building.com
Courtney worked there in some capacity. (reported by kgw - www.kgw.com)

[concernedperson]

And this other family wants to sue. How absurd is that? Escalation, people, escalation. Then denial by family members. The crux of it all.

[lynie]

My suggestion would be that the persons that had their underwear stolen or who were stalked (like the swimmer) should sue the Kim family because of the shock, fear, anxiety, humility, emotional and mental pain their son caused them.

After all, all of the items were found in the Kim home...who is to say that it was just the kid doing the dirty work...maybe mom and dad drove him to his "hobby".

I wish they knew just how stupid the thought of their lawsuit sounds....

[fran]

Apparently the green minivan was owned by this company
www.creative-building.com
Courtney worked there in some capacity. (reported by kgw - www.kgw.com)

Oh, now I see the 'van' connection! Courtney was a supervisor or something for a cleaning or maintenance company. ahhh-haaa :eek: .......the dots start connecting.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

My suggestion would be that the persons that had their underwear stolen or who were stalked (like the swimmer) should sue the Kim family because of the shock, fear, anxiety, humility, emotional and mental pain their son caused them.

After all, all of the items were found in the Kim home...who is to say that it was just the kid doing the dirty work...maybe mom and dad drove him to his "hobby".

I wish they knew just how stupid the thought of their lawsuit sounds....


Me thinks the Kim's need to get a grip and rethink their lawsuit. They may be opening a whole can of worms here with this lawsuit! :doh:
JMHO
fran

[mysteriew]

The man charged with murder, kidnapping and rape in the disappearance of Brigham Young University student Brooke Wilberger may be a serial killer who has struck in several states, according to a New Mexico district attorney.

Courtney, 39, is currently being held in Albuquerque on kidnapping and rape charges in an unrelated incident involving a foreign exchange student at the University of New Mexico. In a statement to ABC News affiliate KATU News in Portland, Ore., Bernalillo County, N.M., District Attorney Kari Brandenburg said Courtney is "a possible suspect in other homicides" involving college students.

Courtney, authorities said, has lived in a number of places, including Beaverton, Ore.; Cape Canaveral, Fla.; Anchorage, Alaska; and Albuquerque, N.M. In New Mexico and Oregon, Courtney's alleged crime victims were both young college students and it is possible that other victims also were college age, Brandenburg said. Investigators are trying to determine whether evidence links Courtney to other unsolved slayings.

At an arraignment Wednesday in New Mexico, Courtney refused to appear on video before the judge.

"His lawyer probably told him there were several cameras in the courtroom waiting for him," said bail bondsman Gerald Madrid. "I think he realized the amount of media coverage that was in the courtroom and he was just trying to minimize the amount that he's on the news back in Oregon."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=1007878&page=1

[gatetrekker44]

I don't know how many of you remember the case of Kristen, who shortly before her 19th birthday, went to the San Francisco area and disappeared after about a month. No trace of her was ever found, and to this day, there have been no real leads. I wonder where, exactly, this scumbag was in the summer of 1997, specifically June 23rd, when Kristen disappeared.
Since it seems that this guy has been atrolling predator on the west coast for a long time, I wonder if he will be questioned in Kristen's disappearance???


Bring Maura home!

[mysteriew]

I don't know how many of you remember the case of Kristen, who shortly before her 19th birthday, went to the San Francisco area and disappeared after about a month. No trace of her was ever found, and to this day, there have been no real leads. I wonder where, exactly, this scumbag was in the summer of 1997, specifically June 23rd, when Kristen disappeared.
Since it seems that this guy has been atrolling predator on the west coast for a long time, I wonder if he will be questioned in Kristen's disappearance???


Bring Maura home!

Kristen Modafferi
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46&highlight=Kristen
From what we have at this point, we don't know that he was ever in Cal. but after some of the others, just because he wasn't living there doesn't mean he wasn't there.
Edited to add: Dark brown hair; brown eyes. Modaferri has facial dimples.

[lynie]

Her name was Kristen Smart. Did you hear they were looking into her dissappearance in connection with this guy too?

No, I haven't heard her name in connection. It just rang a bell with me that she was another gal that disappeared from a college locale without a trace. If this guy has been acting out for a long period of time along the west coast it could be a possibility...at least in my head!

[Anngelique]

http://www.katu.com/stories/78837.html

(More at link)


Courtney Vows To Fight Extradition To Oregon
Version

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - The man accused of killing 19-year-old Brooke Wilberger was in an Albuquerque court Thursday for his arraignment, but it may be some time before he stands before an Oregon judge.
Joel Courtney, 39, has vowed to fight extradition to Oregon, which will force the state go through all the legal hoops before he can be tried for Brooke Wilberger's murder.

Homicide investigators throughout the nation have their eyes on Courtney, the man accused not only of murdering Wilberger, but who also faces charges in a kidnapping and rape case in New Mexico.

Striking similarities between the two cases have investigators wondering if they have a serial killer on their hands, one who targets pretty, blonde college students.


Kari Brandenburg, Bernalillo County District Attorney, told KATU News the two cases sent up a disturbing red flag signaling that Courtney could be responsible for multiple deaths in multiple states.

"They have similar characteristics," she said. "You look at the time of day that the crime was allegedly committed - in daylight. You look at the individual's background and I think that anyone would wonder about that and wonder if there aren't other cases out there."

Brooke Wilberger appears to share physical similarities with the New Mexico rape victim who was able to escape her attacker. Witnesses described the woman as an attractive college student with long, straight, blonde hair, a light complexion and a petite build.


Brandenburg suspects investigators throughout the country are now reviewing their cold case homicides, especially in places where Courtney once lived - Alaska, New Mexico, Oregon and Florida.

"It's like a TV show or the movies that you see where you have a police department somewhere where the defendant possibly lived or traveled through and they say they have a case that is not solved. They go back and look at that case and try to determine if perhaps this is an individual who can be considered a suspect," she said.

Meanwhile, we are learning more details about the case in New Mexico that led to Courtney's arrest.


Last November, Dara Finks, a waitress and mother of four, saw a young woman, nearly naked, running across an Albuquerque street.

Finks got the frantic woman, who said she had just been attacked, into her car.

"She was freaking out," Finks told KATU News. "She said 'he's going to get me, he's going to get me, he's got a knife, he's going to kill me.' So I told her to get in the car. I won't let anyone hurt you. Lock the door. And he was right there at the light."

Finks says the woman had deep red marks on her neck where a knife had apparently been held. Albuquerque police took Joel Courtney into custody just a few hours after the assault.

"Is there anyone who thinks this guy has done this only three times in 20 years? I don't think so," KATU Crime Expert C.W. Jensen said.

Brooke Wilberger and the woman Courtney is accused of raping in New Mexico are similar in appearance. According to Jensen, preying on the same type of victim is common among serial rapists and murderers.


"(They) obviously have a favorite victim that they fantasize about and so should that opportunity present itself, they would go after that," he said.

Jensen added that serial criminals strike wherever they are. Although we do not know whether Courtney can be tied to crimes where he moved, we can look at his travels for 2004.

In January, he got a speeding ticket in Newport, Oregon. In March, his listed address was in Pensacola, Florida. In May, he got a speeding ticket in La Grande, Oregon, listed a Cocoa Beach, Florida address and drove a car licensed in Minnesota. In November, he was arrested on kidnapping and rape charges in New Mexico.

"A zebra doesn't change its stripes and a sex offender doesn't change their behavior," said Jensen.

That is why law enforcement agencies from Alaska to Florida, and everywhere in between, will be looking at Courtney's DNA very carefully.

For example, KATU News spoke with detectives in Anchorage, Alaska, one of the places where Courtney lived, and they said they plan to search their unsolved case files. They said when Courtney's DNA is available, they will be comparing it to their own evidence.

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Been following Brooke's story since it broke: Brooke is related to a longtime and very dear 'cyber-friend' and co-poster of mine from another forum. May God bless all relatives and keep them strong as time unfolds. As of yesterday, Brooke's website was still up and running: www.findbrooke.com

It's horrific; this useless, wicked, waste-of-life Courtney monster has finally been caught! It's impossible to imagine the excruciating pain his arrest has caused many, many other loved ones whose beautiful, precious daughters went missing-without-a-trace?

It's a sheer miracle his latest victim escaped ~ she's tiny and he's HUGE ~ though we know she'll be scarred for life. This huge, violent, satanic monster met a young woman with huge courage ~ courage that will put him where he belongs.

Thank God Courtney's family are fighting for justice for the victims ~ and not in denial. Unlike *some* families who opt for blatant denial, his fam join the likes of Kazinsky, Hacking, and BTK's families who either reported them, forced them to face the truth and/or divorced their psycho-family member for good.

This story is growing by the hour, if not the day ~ I wonder if it will be moved to the crimes & trial forums? Scary ... I shudder to wonder exactly what this beast's final charge sheet will eventually contain! :(

[mysteriew]

A New Mexico man indicted on 19 counts of aggravated murder, kidnapping, rape and sodomy in Oregon plans to fight extradition.

Judge Sharon Walton says Oregon officials have 30 days to file extradition papers, though that deadline could be extended to 90 days.

Benton County, Oregon District Attorney Scott Heiser yesterday detailed charges against Courtney in the killing of Brooke Wilberger, a 19-year-old college student whose body has not been found.
http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=11399

[JerseyGirl]

A New Mexico man indicted on 19 counts of aggravated murder, kidnapping, rape and sodomy in Oregon plans to fight extradition.I don't know why this surprises me. I guess we shouldn't have expected anything else. :mad:

[Usher737]

Is there anyone who thinks this guy has done this only three times in 20 years? I don't think so," KATU Crime Expert C.W. Jensen said.

I am sure this monster has many more victims, perhaps some were raped but not murdered. Le should be checking his DNA in unsolved rape/murder cases involving white, young females in multiple states.

[mysteriew]

Is there anyone who thinks this guy has done this only three times in 20 years? I don't think so," KATU Crime Expert C.W. Jensen said.

I am sure this monster has many more victims, perhaps some were raped but not murdered. Le should be checking his DNA in unsolved rape/murder cases involving white, young females in multiple states.

And not just college students. The college may have just been the draw, where he knew he would find "his" type, but may have just been for the purpose of finding them, not actually required for his fantasy.

[Anngelique]

It seems that Brooke's abduction was not planned. Since I know the area pretty well from where Brooke was abducted I noticed something interesting. He was on his way to Newport which the road you take from Corvallis is right by Reser's statdium which is right near the apartments Brookes sister and brother-in-law managed. So he probably really was on his way for the speeding ticket, got close to the college and checked it out. There he saw Brooke cleaning the lamp posts and she fit the profile of girls he liked, and he took the opportunity that presented itself. He then took off on Hwy 99 (I believe that is what it is called) the one that connects Corvallis and Rickreal and drove erratically. Brian saw him driving erratically and called 911 when his cell phone stopped working for whatever reason. From personal experience there is a LOT of deadspots in that area. When my husband called me while coming home from work in Dallas almost every time he hit near the Rickreal area he lost his call. So, it is making more and more sense.

[Anngelique]

Here is a good map showing what I was talking about.

http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Corvallis,+OR

Make the map the size of where you can see Oregon State University and Reser Stadium clearly as well as all the major surrounding roads.

Hwy 34 that then turns into Hwy 20 is the road you take to go to Newport. Keep going west on this road and you run into Newport. This is the road I believe he was taking. You can see this runs right next to Reser's Stadium. In fact you can see the Stadium very clearly from this road. I believe he pulled into this area while on his way to court. He saw Brooke and that no one was around, grabbed her and then look at the map again. He took one of those major yellow roads to get back to Hwy 99. Most likely he took 3rd street as it actually turns into 99. 99 goes directly through Rickreal and then at the junction you can turn left and go to Dallas or Lincoln City, turn right and go to Salem or go straight and run into McMinnville. This is where Brian saw him driving erratically.

[Anngelique]

Heiser and police have said little about what evidence they have that connects Courtney with the Wilberger case, though Courtney's connection to Wilberger's disappearance was confirmed, in part, because of a 1997 green Dodge Caravan.

Investigators have the minivan but have not revealed what was found inside or exactly why the van implicated Courtney in Wilberger's death.

On May 17, 2004, Courtney was cited for speeding in a green Dodge minivan near La Grande.

According to KGW News, the van is owned by Creative Building Management, a professional cleaning service.

Before his arrest, Courtney was employed as a cleaning crew supervisor in New Mexico, police said.

Courtney was supposed to appear in court in Lincoln County the day Wilberger disappeared.

"He apparently was travelling from Portland to Newport," Heiser said.

Courtney called the Lincoln County Circuit Court at 1:15 p.m. that day and left a message saying that he was in Corvallis on his way to Newport. He had been scheduled for arraignment on a charge of driving under the influence of intoxicants.

The Benton County grand jury that indicted Courtney on Friday, July 29, heard testimony from 16 witnesses, including Wilberger's family, investigators, FBI crime lab analysts and a physician.

FBI forensic DNA examiner Rhonda Craig testified by report before the grand jury. Craig, who works for the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Va., has worked on cases involving crime and disasters to identify criminals and victims, according to an on-line biography.

FBI DNA examiner Constance Fisher also testified by report. Fisher was a witness in the California trial of Scott Peterson, who was found guilty of murdering his wife, Laci Peterson, and their unborn child. Fisher testified about mitochondrial DNA testing in that case.

Heiser has indicated that the District Attorney's Office is ready to "pursue the case aggressively," even though Wilberger's body has not been found.

"Oregon law doesn't actually require recovery of the body of a murder victim," Heiser said.

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/08/05/news/community/fri02.txt

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thank you SO much for all these links, updates, reports and detailed observations, Anngelique. Suberb references ~ highly appreciated. You have every detail of this case covered; kudos :)

You also sure seem to have figured out this Courtney-monster's route and beastly M.O.; Can only agree with you: seems he stumbled upon the unsuspecting Brooke en route to court (how ironic and bizarre is THAT!) That map is interesting and helps put everything into perspective (not that I even know which side of the road the uni or stadium is, lol)

Gee ... large river, too...

[Anngelique]

Thank you SO much for all these links, updates, reports and detailed observations, Anngelique. Suberb references ~ highly appreciated. You have every detail of this case covered; kudos :)

You also sure seem to have figured out this Courtney-monster's route and beastly M.O.; Can only agree with you: seems he stumbled upon the unsuspecting Brooke en route to court (how ironic and bizarre is THAT!) That map is interesting and helps put everything into perspective (not that I even know which side of the road the uni or stadium is, lol)

Gee ... large river, too...

Yes, the Willamette is a very large river and it runs all the way to Portland and then eventually joins the Columbia. It is a beautiful river and most of our cities are built up around it. I doubt he dumped her in the river though, but he could have. I just think knowing this route like I do that he could have dumped her anywhere on the side of the road in a field, or just got off the main road a bit and can be in some forest land. Oregon is so heavily forested that it could be very hard to find a body around here. Hopefully knowing the route he took they can decide where to look next. Better yet, I hope they get him to finally tell where he disposed of the body. My guess is they might do this in exchange for the death penalty being waived. What do you guys think? A little plea bargain, we will spare your life if you tell us where Brooke is?

By the way, did you guys see he was trying to say it was a mistaken identity and they have the wrong name? LOL He is really worried now!

[mysteriew]

"Oregon law doesn't actually require recovery of the body of a murder victim," Heiser said.

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/08/05/news/community/fri02.txt

From the link:
"Yesterday, he was contesting identity, saying that it wasn't really him," said Bernalillo County Assistant District Attorney Melanie Harper. "He was refusing to leave his cell."

The number of murder charges they have against him worries me. If each one represents a theory of how the murder occurred, that kind of says they don't know how the murder occurred, but they are going to get him anyway. Whatever evidence they have against him, must be pretty strong.

[Anngelique]

From the link:


The number of murder charges they have against him worries me. If each one represents a theory of how the murder occurred, that kind of says they don't know how the murder occurred, but they are going to get him anyway. Whatever evidence they have against him, must be pretty strong.

Remember they did not know how Laci died either and they were still able to convict Scott. I believe there is REAL DNA in that van and so they have much better evidence than the circumstancial they were using against SP.

[mysteriew]

Remember they did not know how Laci died either and they were still able to convict Scott. I believe there is REAL DNA in that van and so they have much better evidence than the circumstancial they were using against SP.

Oh they can convict without a body. But what I am afraid of is the jury saying wait a minute- you have no real idea of how she died, but you want us to convict. 2-3 scenarios looks like they have the info, just can't be sure of the details. 14 scenarios and no body..........they may not be as sure.

[scandi]

Thanks Anngelique for all your hard work that benefits the whole forum. :blowkiss:

I wonder why they said he was traveling from Portland to LCity when he called from Corvallis and on his way. No one would go all the way up to Portland and then track back to the coast! I think he probably took that road straight to McMinnville.

I think that as that is where he was last seen. The erratic driving has always told me she was still in the vehicle. I think she might have awakened from a blow, for instance, to the head and started screaming and bet she lunged for the steering wheel to try and make a scene to stop him.

If that is the case, wouldn't she be somewhere off that road that goes to McMinnville? Doesn't that road go through lots of fields and farms? I don't remember a lot of trees in that area. Do you have any idea Anngelique? Do you think she was still alive and in the car when it started to drive erraticly?


Scandi

[Anngelique]

Thanks Anngelique for all your hard work that benefits the whole forum. :blowkiss:

I wonder why they said he was traveling from Portland to LCity when he called from Corvallis and on his way. No one would go all the way up to Portland and then track back to the coast! I think he probably took that road straight to McMinnville.

I think that as that is where he was last seen. The erratic driving has always told me she was still in the vehicle. I think she might have awakened from a blow, for instance, to the head and started screaming and bet she lunged for the steering wheel to try and make a scene to stop him.

If that is the case, wouldn't she be somewhere off that road that goes to McMinnville? Doesn't that road go through lots of fields and farms? I don't remember a lot of trees in that area. Do you have any idea Anngelique? Do you think she was still alive and in the car when it started to drive erraticly?


Scandi

I know the road extremely well. There are mostly farms but there are trees along the way. You go through a couple small towns on the way, the biggest small town is Amity which you better be doing the speed limit as that little hole in the wall of a town is a speed trap. IF he turned left and headed back towards Dallas, Willamina, Grand Rhonde, Lincoln City, well then you get into some extremely heavy forest. I think that's why the authorities were asking where that green van has been. If someone saw it that could help determine which direction to look. Turning left on 22 would be truly the hardest place to find her. There are so many BLM roads and logging roads and just flat out thick forest. I wonder if she could have been alive too and started a struggle. Why else would he draw attention to himself with driving erratically and speeding? But he also could have had the adrenaline pumping and drove erratically.

I was raised in my early years in Willamina, teen years in Dallas and currently live in Salem. Like I have mentioned before I used to run a single copy newspaper route for the Statesman Journal. I was in charge of Dallas, Rickreal, Monmouth, and Independence. My exhusband was a Regional District Manager for the Statesman Journal and he was over Corvallis, Albany, Philomath and all those towns that are out in that area. That is why I know this area well. I may not know the names of each and every road but I have traveled even the back farm roads and the country forest roads. I just wish we knew in which direction he went from Rickreal.

[Scorpion]

I wonder why they said he was traveling from Portland to LCity when he called from Corvallis and on his way. No one would go all the way up to Portland and then track back to the coast! I think he probably took that road straight to McMinnville.
Just trying to get my bearings here as I like to try to see it all on a map. I've been back through the press releases and can't see any mention of McMinnville - is it the quickest route to his family's home in Beaverton? And I can't find Rickreal on the maps - where should I be looking? Is it another suburb of Portland?

[Anngelique]

Just trying to get my bearings here as I like to try to see it all on a map. I've been back through the press releases and can't see any mention of McMinnville - is it the quickest route to his family's home in Beaverton? And I can't find Rickreal on the maps - where should I be looking? Is it another suburb of Portland?

There has not been any mention of McMinnville that I know of. But let me find a better map to get your bearings. Be right back.

[Scorpion]

There has not been any mention of McMinnville that I know of. But let me find a better map to get your bearings. Be right back.
Thanks - have now been on Topozone and followed the route through McMinnville and it does seem to go straight to the Beaverton side of Portland. Might well be something in it. But of course an absolutely huge area to go over if she is there. And he probably knows it all well. Just hope someone's memory gets jogged on the green van but sadly it may well not have looked too out of place at the time. Must admit, I always look for underground stuff or waterbodies when I'm studying maps on the assumption that someone wanting to get rid of a body would want to do their best to get it as far out of the way as possilbe, but if as you say it's densely wooded it's just going to add to the problem. In that event, it could be like some of the cases that have been coming through recently when hunters eventually trip over remains.

[Anngelique]

Okay, here is a map courtesy of the wineries in the Willamette Valley. :D

It shows everything that you would want to see.

Look for Corvallis, that is where Brooke was abducted. Rickreal is a straight shot from Corvallis on Hwy 99, you run into McMinnville if you continue straight on 99. If you turn left on Hwy 22 off of 99 you go towards the Ocean Beaches. This is the heavily wooded area I spoke about. If you turn right on Hwy 22 off of 99 you head into Salem. (where I live). Portland is a good hour and a half from Rickreal. McMinnville might be less than an hour from the Portland suburbs. I hope this helps.

PS when you locate Corvallis you will see Hwy 26 that goes straight to Newport. I believe Courtney's original plan was to take this road to court.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/Anngelique/map-small_2005.jpg

[Scorpion]

Okay, here is a map courtesy of the wineries in the Willamette Valley. :D

It shows everything that you would want to see.
Yes, thanks - that's very helpful: helps me get to grips with the layout. Seems that even though the police know where the call was made from they're no further forward in finding Brooke. Shame the caller doesn't seem to have come forward with any other information. It's just incredible this could happen in broad daylight. Thank goodness one girl got away otherwise LE might never have been the wiser.

[scandi]

Here is where I got McMinnville and where he was by Rickreal at that junction. It5 was one of your posts Anngelique up high on this page:

"Most likely he took 3rd street as it actually turns into 99. 99 goes directly through Rickreal and then at the junction you can turn left and go to Dallas or Lincoln City, turn right and go to Salem or go straight and run into McMinnville. This is where Brian saw him driving erratically. Anngelina


Has there been any other written news today on the case. Just got home anam PPeeeDood! LOL

Scandi

[Anngelique]

Here is where I got McMinnville and where he was by Rickreal at that junction. It5 was one of your posts Anngelique up high on this page:

"Most likely he took 3rd street as it actually turns into 99. 99 goes directly through Rickreal and then at the junction you can turn left and go to Dallas or Lincoln City, turn right and go to Salem or go straight and run into McMinnville. This is where Brian saw him driving erratically. Anngelina


Has there been any other written news today on the case. Just got home anam PPeeeDood! LOL

Scandi

Ahh, I just meant you can go straight and run into McMinnville. He was seen near Rickreall which is at the junction of Highways 99 and 22. Sorry if I misled you. :blushing:

[scandi]

Well I guess when I read what you wrote I got the feeling she did something to make him drive a bit crazy which made someone notice the car it was near Rickreall. Thank goodness. And since you had mentioned McM I guess I assumed he would go straight ahead.

He probably gave her a swift blow to knock her out then, and I think he would want to do what he wanted with her and get her out of his car as soon as possible, don't you think? Now I'm not looking at the map, but if you cut from Rickreall to the coast wouldn't you encounter a more winding roadway and lots of trees, with gravel roads taking off and - gee I wonder if there are any little parks around? Like the little one by Sheridan on the S side of the Hwy.

Do you think he would bury her - he didn't know the area that I know of and he probably didn't have a shovel with him. He evidently didn't clean up the van very well. He probably has one of those careless personalities. The gal down south he had with him was naked when she ran out into the street to find help. Maybe Natalees clothes were in that van with her blood on them. And if there was evidence with luminol that there was a lot of blood thqat would be one way LE would be able to say she was dead for sure.

I'm sorry I'm rambling here - gees! LOL You get the mind trying to picture what could have happened and the next thing is that everything starts to pop out!


Scandi


EDIT: Well I got thinking. He didn't show up in court so maybe he didn't head for the coast. He had to get her out of the car and he had some trouble near Rickreall. Anngelique, is there anything around that area with a sign to it he might see that he would go to to put her - like a small park or a winery or something like that. A bridge? A river or pond? I don't think he went too far from R before he left her behind. He probably headed to Portland then since he didn't go to Newport. Anything unusual on that road from R to P where you could hide a body?

[lostfaith]

Just some thoughts here. Now that there is a suspect being charged with Brookes disapearance and murder, maybe the caller (Brian) who called in the green van, might call back. I was thinking, maybe he was scared to call before, maybe he thought they might suspect him somehow. Some people are just wary of getting too involved for fear somehow they might get accused. Maybe now that he hears they have a suspect, he just might call in again. A little far fetched, but maybe!

I was also wondering, do you think that they could go back now and look at possible credit card transactions on that day. Might place him at certain gas stations or restuarants, get a better idea in which way he traveled.

I dont have time to go back and read tonight, so please bear with my laziness tonight. He made that call to the court at 1:15, what time frame do we have for Brookes disapearance? Was it close to that time?

I sure hope he does the decent thing and tell where her remains are. I am sure the family is happy the perp. is finally in custody, but I am sure if they could give her a proper burial, it would mean so much to them.

[Anngelique]

Well I guess when I read what you wrote I got the feeling she did something to make him drive a bit crazy which made someone notice the car it was near Rickreall. Thank goodness. And since you had mentioned McM I guess I assumed he would go straight ahead.

He probably gave her a swift blow to knock her out then, and I think he would want to do what he wanted with her and get her out of his car as soon as possible, don't you think? Now I'm not looking at the map, but if you cut from Rickreall to the coast wouldn't you encounter a more winding roadway and lots of trees, with gravel roads taking off and - gee I wonder if there are any little parks around? Like the little one by Sheridan on the S side of the Hwy.

Do you think he would bury her - he didn't know the area that I know of and he probably didn't have a shovel with him. He evidently didn't clean up the van very well. He probably has one of those careless personalities. The gal down south he had with him was naked when she ran out into the street to find help. Maybe Natalees clothes were in that van with her blood on them. And if there was evidence with luminol that there was a lot of blood thqat would be one way LE would be able to say she was dead for sure.

I'm sorry I'm rambling here - gees! LOL You get the mind trying to picture what could have happened and the next thing is that everything starts to pop out!


Scandi


EDIT: Well I got thinking. He didn't show up in court so maybe he didn't head for the coast. He had to get her out of the car and he had some trouble near Rickreall. Anngelique, is there anything around that area with a sign to it he might see that he would go to to put her - like a small park or a winery or something like that. A bridge? A river or pond? I don't think he went too far from R before he left her behind. He probably headed to Portland then since he didn't go to Newport. Anything unusual on that road
from R to P where you could hide a body?

Funny you would ask that. Tonight I went to my Dad's to get a CPU to borrow because I am having computer trouble and we have pretty much eliminated all other possibilities besides a new CPU. I borrowed one from my dad to see if I need to get a new one. Anyway, while in Dallas I went to see my Grandmother who just moved in with my Uncle. I stayed until past midnight and I was really tired. I took a back road that I thought took me right back to Hwy 22 but instead it took me to 99 . So I turned left onto 99 and went right through Rickreall until I hit 22 again and was able to go back to Salem. I thought it was so ironic I went that way being so tired after thinking about this most of the day. Anyway, like most of the Oregon roadways there is a lot of brush, would be a lot more in Spring compared to summer when it is drier, and there is a winery right in Rickreall. We had our class reunion there. There is the Polk County Fairgrounds and lots of farms. Not much else but normal brush and trees. I believe Mill Creek runs through there but it is not that deep. The only large ponds I can think of off the top of my head is the Dallas Reservoir, but you would have to know the area well to find that. If he turned left on Hwy 22 and headed towards the Ocean Beaches than that road has tons of smaller roads he could turn off of with thick fir tree growth. Heck the Van Duzer Coridor is very thickly wooded. There are so many logging roads right off of Hwy 22 or not far off. The trouble is if he knows the roads at all he could go in all kinds of directions as the back roads all interconnect. For instance, you can head towards Amity and McMinnville on 99 but then turn right and go towards Dayton, Dundee, Newberg. Or you could turn left on 22 and then turn off at Dallas and head towards Fall City, or pass Dallas and head towards Willamina cut back towards Sheridan or pass those and head towards Grand Rhonde and cut across to Hebo then head towards Tillamook. Heck, the list is endless. I could go on and on. You see that direction would make the most sense to me for getting rid of a body. It is a windy road, usually a lot of traffic though, BUT there is a lot of fishing right off the road in lots of different bodies of water and it is not unusual to see cars stopped on the side of the road. Just turning off for even the shortest of distance on 22 once past Dallas can bring you to dense forest and easy body disposal. I just can't imagine which way he went and what he was thinking. I hope the LE are able to piece it together and give us a very clear picture of what happened.

[scandi]

Thanks Anngelique,

It's like old home to me too. Working in Depoe Bay I drove into Salem at least once a week, often puttering in these small little towns.

The one town I've never been to is Rickreall. I wonder what the road is like from there up to Salem? Wouldn't that be a natural way to get back up to Portland if he had decided that was where he was going?

Somehow I feel this guy moves abruptly and is not cagy at all. I don't even think he would drive on side roads to avoid LE. I wish we could learn more about him. I think he must be a very scary guy. Imagine the thought of actually seeing a gal working, grabbing her in broad daylight and then dealing with her in the car while he was driving, evidently not afraid he might be noticed or caught with her.

I wonder if he realized he was seen when he kind of lost control of the car near Rickreall? I've been thinking too that it was an impulsive move he made to grab her and if he disposed of her body driving up through the backlands he most likely tucked her behind a tree somewhere out in the open. A quick impulsive decision, seeing a lone group of trees surrounded by brush up aways off the road. If he did this we might never find her as animals would carry her off.


I am wondering when we will hear more news on her case. Do you remember if Chandra was found out in the open or even buried? It was about a year I know before they found her remains.

Scandi

It is a truely scary thought to me living in Beaverton that guys like this and like Kim live here with their parents! Whooooooaaaa

[Anngelique]

Thanks Anngelique,

It's like old home to me too. Working in Depoe Bay I drove into Salem at least once a week, often puttering in these small little towns.

The one town I've never been to is Rickreall. I wonder what the road is like from there up to Salem? Wouldn't that be a natural way to get back up to Portland if he had decided that was where he was going?

Somehow I feel this guy moves abruptly and is not cagy at all. I don't even think he would drive on side roads to avoid LE. I wish we could learn more about him. I think he must be a very scary guy. Imagine the thought of actually seeing a gal working, grabbing her in broad daylight and then dealing with her in the car while he was driving, evidently not afraid he might
` noticed or caught with her.

I wonder if he realized he was seen when he kind of lost control of the car near Rickreall? I've been thinking too that it was an impulsive move he made to grab her and if he disposed of her body driving up through the backlands he most likely tucked her behind a tree somewhere out in the open. A quick impulsive decision, seeing a lone group of trees surrounded by brush up aways off the road. If he did this we might never find her as animals would carry her off.


I am wondering when we will hear more news on her case. Do you remember if Chandra was found out in the open or even buried? It was about a year I know before they found her remains.

Scandi

It is a truely scary thought to me living in Beaverton that guys like this and like Kim live here with their parents! Whooooooaaaa

If you drove from Depoe Bay to Salem then you drove right by Rickreall. When you are at the junction of Highway 22 and Highway 99 then that is Rickreall. Rickreall has only a couple hundred people and one tiny store, (not much of a store, not sure what you call it). They have a fairgrounds and a winery and a farm store that even sells tractors. I can't think of much else in Rickreall. All you have to do look to your right on your way back towards Salem look to the right at this junction and you have just seen Rickreall. :crazy:

[spydog]

It's sad to think that if Dave's phone had not gone out, she may have been found before it was too late. :(

[mysteriew]

As law enforcement officials prepare to prosecute Joel Patrick Courtney in the death of Brooke Wilberger, detectives investigating other homicides and violent crimes in Oregon and across the country are reviewing their cases for similarities.

Authorities in Corvallis and Albuquerque, N.M., each recently have fielded calls from law enforcement agencies after Corvallis police said they had charged Courtney with kidnapping, rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and aggravated murder in the death of Wilberger.

Corvallis Capt. Ron Noble said he and detectives in his agency had taken about five calls since the news of Courtney's new charges broke Monday.

The calls came from agencies in Oregon and in other states, Noble said, declining to be specific.

Kari Brandenburg, the district attorney for Bernalillo County, N.M., in which Courtney is being prosecuted, said she took one call this week from a detective in the Pensacola, Fla., area. Courtney previously lived in Florida.

In one Oregon traffic-citation case, Courtney gave an officer a Cocoa Beach, Fla., address.

Brandenburg isn't ready to call Courtney a serial killer or a rapist, but she wonders whether he may have been involved in other sexual assaults or disappearances.

His criminal history includes convictions for attempted rape and escape in 1985 in Washington County.

And both the New Mexico and Wilberger cases, authorities say, included sexual penetration, occurred during daylight and happened to victims of similar age

"The same crime, the same M.O., the victims are similar," Brandenburg said. "What we've got is two indictments with criminal sexual penetration and one conviction. Obviously there's a pattern."
http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050806/NEWS/508060319

[scandi]

Thanks Anngelique,

Last night I was reading an article from KTVU from Aug 4th and it was an interesting one. It showed pictures of this perp in his younger years and mentioned that officers immediately saw signs of a struggle when they went to the scene of Brooke's kidnapping. I had never heard this before.

Scandi

[fran]

I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this guy's crimes! :behindbar

JMHO
fran

[concernedperson]

I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of this guy's crimes! :behindbar

JMHO
fran

Ditto. They have a pattern even if it is irregular. Can't discount one crime to fit another anymore they are trying to be ingenious and deceiving. Which is typical in criminal behavior. Blow smoke and see where it lands....i.e. Duncan the worst of the worst lately.

[mysteriew]

Probation officers initially had trouble keeping tabs on Joel Patrick Courtney following a Washington County sex-abuse conviction in 1985, but he eventually fulfilled all of the requirements of his probation and was released from supervision in 1994.

Police say Courtney, the 39-year-old Rio Rancho, N.M., man charged with the rape, kidnapping and murder of Brooke Wilberger in May 2004, had a relatively unremarkable criminal record until November, when he was arrested in Albuquerque and accused of kidnapping and raping a University of New Mexico foreign exchange student.

While on probation following the 1985 sex-abuse conviction, Courtney absconded supervision for more than three years, but seemingly got his life together when he returned to Oregon in 1991, a Washington County probation officer recalled.

"There just wasn't any indication that this guy would be a high risk when he got off supervision," said Bob Severe, the manager of the sex offender supervision office at Washington County Community Corrections.

With Courtney now charged in at least three more cases involving violent crimes against women, some people wonder how Courtney's — and Wilberger's — story might have been different if mandatory minimum sentencing and sex-offender registration were in place in 1985.

In addition to New Mexico and Oregon, Courtney is said to have lived in Alaska, Florida and Mexico.

Courtney did not surface in Washington County until 1991
During the years Courtney absconded supervision, 1987 to 1991, he went to Mexico and was fishing in Alaska, Severe said. He worked as a commercial fisherman in Alaska and spent the off-season south of the border, Severe explained.
http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2005/08/07/news/community/local01.txt

[scandi]

Hi,

Just coming over to say Hi to everyone! :blowkiss: Any more news? Wouldn't you love to be a little bug buzzing around the Corvallis police station?


Scandi

[Anngelique]

Could this be Brooke? HMMMMM....


http://katu.com/stories/78919.html

August 9, 2005

Autopsy to be conducted this week on body found in Salem

SALEM, Ore. - A badly decomposed body was found near the Willamette River in Marion County, authorities said.
Investigators could not determine the identity or gender of the body, said Kevin Rau, a spokesman for the Marion County Sheriff's Office.

They also don't know if the person died from violence.

"(It's) suspicious in that we don't know how the person died," Rau said. "No reason to believe it's criminal, but no reason to believe it's not. So we're treating it as if it is."

A couple riding all-terrain vehicles along the river near a private duck-hunting club and farm discovered the body Sunday. The sheriff's office removed the body from the scene Monday afternoon after spending hours looking for evidence.

An autopsy will be conducted this week.

The body was found in a brush-covered area near the east bank of the river by Terry Holder, 46, and Shannon Glass, 39, who have lived on the property for about five months.

Glass said she immediately realized that the body must be human, because it was wearing a shoe and sock on one foot. A bra or bikini top also was in the area, she said.

"It wasn't a good thing," Glass said. "I'm kind of glad that we found her, though; she's somebody's somebody."

Glass thinks the body is that of a woman because of the articles of clothing she saw. A mother of two teenage daughters, Glass said she feels sad for the woman and her family, and nervous that a body was found so close to where she lives.

The club and farm, called Greenway Beautification Inc., have been on the site for about four decades, said Denny Nielsen, one of the owners.

[Usher737]

I doubt this is Brooke. Her flip flops were found at the scene and I dont think she was wearing socks. Hopefully, this body will identify another missing woman.

[Anngelique]

I doubt this is Brooke. Her flip flops were found at the scene and I dont think she was wearing socks. Hopefully, this body will identify another missing woman.

Very good point! I should have known that. I do hope they find who this is.

[scandi]

Hi,

It just goes to show us though that hope does spring eternal. Eventually Brooke's remains will be found just as this lady has been found after all the time it took to decompose so badly.

Tha Salem area off the road that runs along the river and ends up in the downtown area would be a good possibility for a body to be put if you had not planned this ahead of time and were limited by not having what you would need to bury a body.

I had this strange thought that maybe he took her on to Beaverton with him as he knows this area well if his parents live there. Then he could find a secret place to put her that would be difficult to find. I still think he is impulsive as heck and has planned very few things in his life before he did them!

No news in the local papers with further information????? :confused: You'd think we would have heard something more by now. Oh well, every time I come to the forum this is where I check in! LOL


Scandi

[Anngelique]

Hi,

It just goes to show us though that hope does spring eternal. Eventually Brooke's remains will be found just as this lady has been found after all the time it took to decompose so badly.

Tha Salem area off the road that runs along the river and ends up in the downtown area would be a good possibility for a body to be put if you had not planned this ahead of time and were limited by not having what you would need to bury a body.

I had this strange thought that maybe he took her on to Beaverton with him as he knows this area well if his parents live there. Then he could find a secret place to put her that would be difficult to find. I still think he is impulsive as heck and has planned very few things in his life before he did them!

No news in the local papers with further information????? :confused: You'd think we would have heard something more by now. Oh well, every time I come to the forum this is where I check in! LOL


Scandi

LE is being very tight lipped. They are not letting out anything they have. Also it was said he would have to be tried in New Mexico before being tried here. I want to hear more and the silence is hard to take. At the same time at least they are not leaking a lot of misinformation like we experienced in so many other high profile cases. Hugs Scandi!

[LazyCat08]

I have been on vacation and missed this development.
I feel so sad for Brooke and her family and the family of this monster who has been charged with her murder. Brooke was such a beautiful girl, I can't imagine what she went through.
It seems pointless to say it again, but I just cannot even fathom what drives people to this kind of behavior???
This man has a wife and children whose lives will also no doubt be destroyed by what he has done.....
Of course I would love to watch this guy burn :furious: in hell - I'd like to push the button myself, but I know that's not necessarily the solution either.....

:(

[Anngelique]

http://katu.com/stories/78964.html

August 10, 2005

Accused killer Joel Courtney wants access to law library

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - A Rio Rancho man indicted on 19 counts of aggravated murder, kidnapping, rape and sodomy in Oregon wants a judge to give him access to the jail's law library or set him free to use the public library.
Joel P. Courtney, 39, has been held without bond in the Bernalillo County Metropolitan Detention Center here since November on an unrelated rape and kidnapping charge.

He was indicted a week ago in Benton County, Ore., in the disappearance and presumed death of Brooke Wilberger, 19, a Brigham Young University student who vanished in Corvallis, Ore., in May 2004. Her body has not been found.

Courtney is fighting extradition to Oregon, where he could face the death penalty.

Last week, metro court Judge Sharon Walton of Albuquerque gave Oregon officials 30 days to file extradition papers, though the deadline could be extended to 90 days.

On Tuesday, Courtney filed a request in state district court asking for a public defender to represent him in his effort to get daily access to law books or "release from custody to seek access in a public arena."

He contends the jail isn't allowing him sufficient access to its law library, which he said he has been to once in his eight months behind bars.

Capt. Heather Lough, a spokeswoman for the jail, said Courtney is being held in segregation, so guards must escort him to the library, which must be cleared of other inmates while he's there.

"Arrangements are being made for him, but it requires extra effort," Lough said.

The jail, in a recent court response to another inmate upset about library access, documented 700 inmates on a waiting list for books and computers there.

Courtney is charged in Albuquerque with raping a University of New Mexico foreign exchange student six months after Wilberger vanished. He is accused of forcing the UNM student into his car at knifepoint and tying her up shoelaces before raping her.

[scandi]

Thank you Anngelique for the article. I bet this guy wants to be set free to have access to the public library! That is almost sad it is so funny. He can't be very smart, which actually might be a good thing. Let him make a fool of himself now in the media and it will probably help the case for the prosecution. Not crazy, just demented and a bit slow.

Gee, I'm hoping the mental abilities of this guy will be an aid in finding where he put Brooke. Kinda stupid, not dumb, and impulsive, not a planner. Suddenly he wants to see what his rights are in the law books where they show what happened to perps in cases similar to his. Maybe he'll read that the only guys that did well were the cases where perps cut a deal for no death by giving LE the body.

After today's disastrous events in Tennesee with this guy escaping with help and a correctional officer losing his life in the foree, I seem to think that if they take this guy to the library they'll be sitting on him till he finds what he is looking for or until the cows come home. Whichever is sooner!



:blowkiss: Scandi

[scandi]

Anngelique, I've been wondering how your relative who was so sick and up at OSHU or Shriners hospital. I hope everything is well with him - your nephew, right? I have thought about him so often and even pictured you driving up to the hospital and going to visit.

xoxoxo Scandi

[Bobbisangel]

As law enforcement officials prepare to prosecute Joel Patrick Courtney in the death of Brooke Wilberger, detectives investigating other homicides and violent crimes in Oregon and across the country are reviewing their cases for similarities.

Authorities in Corvallis and Albuquerque, N.M., each recently have fielded calls from law enforcement agencies after Corvallis police said they had charged Courtney with kidnapping, rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and aggravated murder in the death of Wilberger


I'm confused here....they don't have Brooke's body so how did they know what charges to bring against the killer? It looks like they have covered about everything a man can do to a woman...but how do they know that he did all of these things? How can they make all of these charges stick in court without her body to tell them what happened to her? Did he tell the LE everything that he did to Brooke?

[Anngelique]

I'm confused here....they don't have Brooke's body so how did they know what charges to bring against the killer? It looks like they have covered about everything a man can do to a woman...but how do they know that he did all of these things? How can they make all of these charges stick in court without her body to tell them what happened to her? Did he tell the LE everything that he did to Brooke?

I do daycare for a Assistant DA here in Salem. Salem is one county over from the one Brooke's case is being tried in. Anyway, my good friend and daycare mom said it is very common to try someone like this. In fact it is how Scott Peterson was tried. They use theories. Right now they charge him with all these theories by what type of evidence they have and get all their areas covered. They can drop some as they learn more or they can go to court with that many. She said in Oregon it is a very common practice and does not minimize the case in the least. So I have faith that everything will be okay.

[Anngelique]

Anngelique, I've been wondering how your relative who was so sick and up at OSHU or Shriners hospital. I hope everything is well with him - your nephew, right? I have thought about him so often and even pictured you driving up to the hospital and going to visit.

xoxoxo Scandi

Thanks for asking Scandi. He is still in the vegetative state. Their family has been denied medical care by their insurance and Social Security. So Senator Gordon Smith's office just looked into it and it looks like they might finally get some help. His medical bills run $8000 a day. Ouch!

[Anngelique]

http://katu.com/stories/78971.html

Does Courtney's DNA Link Him To Wilberger?

By Anna Song
and KATU Web Staff
SEASIDE, Ore. - Court documents obtained by KATU News reveal potential DNA evidence against the man accused of murdering Brooke Wilberger.

This comes as prosecutors from all over the state gather in Seaside for a conference, including Benton County District Attorney Scott Heiser, who is involved with the Wilberger case.

Heiser would not confirm whether forensic evidence is the key link between Joel Courtney and Brooke Wilberger, but the court documents indicate that as far back as February, Corvallis police wanted and got Joel Courtney's DNA.

The court records show that on February 10, 2005, a judge in New Mexico granted Corvallis police a search warrant for Joel Patrick Courtney.

Courtney was already in custody at that point for the alleged kidnapping and sexual assault of a woman near the University of New Mexico campus.

The February warrant led authorities to take DNA evidence from Courtney - his fingerprints from both hands, swabs of saliva from his mouth and various hair from his face and pubic area.


Heiser will not confirm whether the evidence was gathered to match DNA material found in a green Dodge minivan that has been described as the 'key' link connecting Courtney to the Wilberger case.


While at the conference on Wednesday, Heiser declined an on-camera interview, but told KATU News he has had several conversations with Brooke's family about their feelings on the death penalty.

Legal experts say one possibility in cases like this is to offer the defendant life in prison in exchange for information on the victim's whereabouts.

The District Attorney who prosecuted Scott Peterson in the murder of his wife, Laci, says that