Canada-Lianna White/Edmonton,AB Part 3 7/19/05

[poco]

Tuesday, 7/19/05. Okay, apparently Michael has been arrested and they have found a body which we assume is Lianna - Correct me if I'm wrong here anyone. I wanted to start a new thread where today's news could be posted.

[Casshew]

New article this morning...not much new info...

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050718/160_white_family_050718.jpg

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories

Look at that sweet baby Ashley... now without a Mother and a murderer for a Dad :mad:

[poco]

What I am curious to know is why do they keep referencing "a body expected to be hers." Is there a question - I am sure they can identify her from her pictures or someone could ID her - unless...... unless...... there has to be more to this!

[Casshew]

What I am curious to know is why do they keep referencing "a body expected to be hers." Is there a question - I am sure they can identify her from her pictures or someone could ID her - unless...... unless...... there has to be more to this!
I think the media is saying 'expected to be hers' because the police have not publicly confirmed it is Liana.

[poco]

I think the media is saying 'expected to be hers' because the police have not publicly confirmed it is Liana.

Oh, okay...... but I wonder why not???

[Casshew]

Oh, okay...... but I wonder why not???
Tight lipped in Alberta, I guess :waitasec:

[PrayersForMaura]

Tight lipped in Alberta, I guess :waitasec:
Hi Casshew.... I like your icon, Do YOU Know Your Husband?

Did you make that? Can I use that, too?? If you did make it, would it be possible for you to add Janet Abaroa and Raven Abaroa and
the picture posted on this thread for Lianna for me pretty please?

Isn't that picture of Lianna and the baby so beautiful?
I don't understand why this happened. :(

Thank you all for the updates.
RIP Lianna
and Prayers for Ashley.

[aheddle]

Just a few snips from the article in my local paper the Hamilton Spectator.

He has been charged with 2nd degree murder and an additional charge of committiing an indignity to a dead body....as per my local newspaper. It was he and "his" search team who found the body. Remember he said that he would find her.....so sad for both their families and that precious child.

Michael White had been barred from the family home since Saturday as investigators searched the house for any evidence.

On Sunday hehe issued a heartfelt denial of any involvement in his wife's dissapperance.

Police said a positive identification cannot be made until after an autopsy performed today.

He is quoted as saying on Sunday "If your thinking the husband, forget the husband...let's find my wife.

The fact that the victim was 4 months pregnant has prompted chilling comparisions to Scott Peterson and the murder of his wife Laci and their unborn son Connor.

Of course all the neighbors thought they were a happy couple and are in shock.

[packerdog]

I wonder if he shot her, the article said that they used metal detectors near the body, maybe they were looking for a gun. We see more and more of these cases where a husband kills a pregnant wife, just so sad. When I was pregnant my husband and I were the happiest. You have to be a really horrible, selfish, person (Scott Peterson type) to murder your pregnant wife and baby.

[linnafay]

Hi everyone

I am sitting in my hotel in Edmonton. I was so disappointed that he was charged, but realized it makes the most sense it was the husband...again.

I am wondering if he burned the body to try and make it look like the serial killer? That would be a definite indignity to a body

I thought this because Paul Bernardo was only charged with one count...and I always assumed that was because he cut up Leslie and encased her in cement.

He should have been charged with two counts for sure.


Anyways, we drove up to St. Albert yesterday, and I think I know the approximate location of where the body was. I forgot my camera or I would have been one of those people out taking pictures :eek:

[vanillasky]

Does Canada have a law similar to the one in the US allowing someone to be charged w/ 2 murders if a woman is pregnant?

[PrayersForMaura]

I am trying to think of reasons why a man would murder his wife and child.
Why do such a thing and walk away?

In Scott Peterson's case, it seems (although we'll never know unless he confesses) that he didn't want the responsibility of a child, he had money problems and a mistress. Still, none of the reasons make it "ok". Never is it "ok". :mad:

In Mark Hacking's case, it was because he was leading a double life and pretty much living a lie. Lori uncovered his lies and was about to expose him. He thought that if he rid himself of her, he could keep living his lie.
But when he was caught, he only made it all worse for himself ... and took a beautiful woman's life for once again ... a selfish motive.

So why did Micheal White murder Lianna?
They already have one child, so it can't be about not wanting children.
We don't know of any mistress.
We don't know of any lies about his life... apparently he was an auto mechanic and it was widely known.
We don't know of any marital problems or any ongoing abuse.

What is his "reason" ... his "justification" that in his mind, he could get away with this and life would be better without Lianna alive? What was he thinking??

These idiot guys ... man, I hope the guy I eventually marry doesn't feel the need to erase me from his life. And I pray for all the women alive in this world who have a husband planning to harm them. May they be saved, somehow, some way.

And for Laci, Lori, Lianna, Janet and all the other women murdered by their spouses ... may they rest in peace :(

[Jess]

As far as I know, there is no law which would enable the police to charge him for the murder of the fetus.

[packerdog]

As far as I know, there is no law which would enable the police to charge him for the murder of the fetus.

Thats a shame.

[Daisy]

Interesting how he "just happened" to be part of the search team that found her. I guess he really meant what he said when he promised her "they or he" would find her. :furious:

[alien-daddy]

** These allegations have not yet been proved in a court of law.**

The Ottawa Citizen, the leading newspaper in my home of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, has been following the story of Liana White, a pregnant woman who disappeared in the early morning hours after she left for work in Edmonton, Alberta last week. Her husband, Michael White, has been all over the airwaves crying and begging for the return of this wife. He was organizing searches, wearing ribbons and pins, making TV appearences and describing his perfect marriage with his beautiful young wife.

New today, Liana White's body has been found north of the City of St. Albert, and Michael White has been changed with the second-degree murder of his wife Liana, along with a charge of committing an indignity to her body.

Interestingly enough, when the Scott Peterson trial barely made the Law sections in the back pages, the article today quoted the following paragraphs:

Quoted from The Ottawa Citizen, July 19th, 2005.
White had told the Sun he was thrilled to discover Liana was pregnant again and both were looking forward to having a sibling for their daughter.

But the fact that Liana was four months pregnant has prompted chilling comparisons to Scott Peterson, a California man convicted of killing his wife, Laci, and their unborn child.

Peterson is awaiting death in the execution chamber of San Quentin State Prison, the infamous lockup that overlooks the same bay where the body of his pregnant wife, Laci, was discarded. The badly decomposed remains of the woman and her fetus washed ashore four months later.

Prosecutors said the 32-year-old former fertilizer salesman strangled his wife to escape marriage and impending fatherhood and return to the bachelor life. At the time of his wife's disappearance on Christmas Eve 2002, he was carrying on an affair with Amber Frey, a massage therapist.

Peterson claimed to have been fishing by himself when his wife died.

Defence lawyers argued that Peterson was framed and that the real killers dumped Laci's body in the water after learning of Peterson's widely publicized alibi.

A Canadian arraignment and trial will be very different. Most high profile trials are subject to complete publication bans and there haven't been cameras in the courtroom for decades.

We will wait and see......

Alien-Daddy

[karmarama]

This whole thing is just so sad :(


I keep thinking that Liana found out something about him and was going to tell.I just think that for some reason.

As for him burning the body? that was my thought as well, then, it would explain why they weren't able to identify her right away :( hope not!

We should know a lot more at noon. He is appearing in court this morning and Edmonton Police will be holding a press conference afterwards.

We know that M. White is an ex soldier, I wonder if he is going to try and blame this on post traumatic stress sydrome ? it would not suprise me one bit! :furious:

[Gizzie95]

There is a thread here on WS for this case:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26500

Pretty interesting reading !

[karmarama]

I was coming to post the same thing! :)


So sad :(

[spygirl]

Michael White said "I'm no Scott Peterson." True, very true. He will never face the penalty that was handed down to SP.

:furious:

[Jess]

according to CTVNews.net

Michael White had his first court appearance this morning. He did not enter a plea.
Last I heard the Acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski will have a news conference at 3 pm Mountain time.

[poco]

according to CTVNews.net

Michael White had his first court appearance this morning. He did not enter a plea.
Last I heard the Acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski will have a news conference at 3 pm Mountain time.

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?

[Mimi]

Latest news article:

EDMONTON (CP) - An Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has made his first court appearance.
Wearing shackles and jail overalls, an exhausted-looking Michael White appeared in docket court, where he reserved plea on charges of second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

MORE AT LINK (short story though).

http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=07ee0ac5-a0b2-4c6d-a86b-6d23dfb6ea8c

[Jess]

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?
That 'll be 5 o'clock Eastern time. It might be carried live on the two main tv networks, CBC and CTV. There is no guarantee that the local stations will show it live, but will show the tape during the evening news.

[newtv]

New article this morning...not much new info...

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050718/160_white_family_050718.jpg

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories

Look at that sweet baby Ashley... now without a Mother and a murderer for a Dad :mad:
casshew-thanku for the insight into holmoka - laurieJ - thanku too..
As I said - I am not on top of that case and when I heard paul bernardo claiming it was all karla's idea I just wondered why anyone would listent o him-and as I said- being in the west I dont know the case the same way you guys might in the east.
I surely do not want to debate it as she doesnt deserve my defense when I dont know anything anyhow..if she steps out of line I am sure she will be in jail right away.
However, is she considered a registered sex offender?? I am just curious as I thought she was exempt from that process?

Thanks gang

[newtv]

on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? I came over here with the old posts in mind so hope I am being followed.
I bet he is no longer staying at the inlaws though I sure hope the child is.

[newtv]

I am trying to think of reasons why a man would murder his wife and child.
Why do such a thing and walk away?

In Scott Peterson's case, it seems (although we'll never know unless he confesses) that he didn't want the responsibility of a child, he had money problems and a mistress. Still, none of the reasons make it "ok". Never is it "ok". :mad:

In Mark Hacking's case, it was because he was leading a double life and pretty much living a lie. Lori uncovered his lies and was about to expose him. He thought that if he rid himself of her, he could keep living his lie.
But when he was caught, he only made it all worse for himself ... and took a beautiful woman's life for once again ... a selfish motive.

So why did Micheal White murder Lianna?
They already have one child, so it can't be about not wanting children.
We don't know of any mistress.
We don't know of any lies about his life... apparently he was an auto mechanic and it was widely known.
We don't know of any marital problems or any ongoing abuse.

What is his "reason" ... his "justification" that in his mind, he could get away with this and life would be better without Lianna alive? What was he thinking??

These idiot guys ... man, I hope the guy I eventually marry doesn't feel the need to erase me from his life. And I pray for all the women alive in this world who have a husband planning to harm them. May they be saved, somehow, some way.

And for Laci, Lori, Lianna, Janet and all the other women murdered by their spouses ... may they rest in peace :(
I am sure it will unravel to be a woman-or money in his case. Or both.
As well, generally we will see a double life unfold of some sort so if not a woman or money it will be something. The key is leading a double life.

[newtv]

Why would he reserve a plea do u think?

[newtv]

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?poco I would be very surprised if it is shown anywhere else but canada..I do think we will see it here in canada as its catching on now..there is a national interest now that he hs been charged-people will want to know all the things we want to know.
Yesterday I was afraid ir would only be shown in edmonton.

poco- they have video footage of the news on ctv - I'll find the link so if its going to be on video u guys can watch that way,

[kahskye]

Hope you don't mind me here. I'm not from Canada, but this still has bothered me alot. I never felt like Lianna could just walk away from her little girl. Did they know what the sex of the new baby was? Perhaps another girl and Micheal had to have a son?

[newtv]

poco- they have video footage of the news on ctv - I'll find the link so if its going to be on video u guys can watch that way.

http://www.ctv.ca/news


ok go here and then look for newsnet icons that look like a vidoe - there is one for this case-an update is given-so I hunch it will be on the same link later when the news conference is on..
I dont see a feed link so u have to go find the headline that is video'd first then it plays for u. (as below but you will see the vidoe icon on the left too)

Edmonton man faces court on wife's murder charge (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories)

An Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has made his first court appearance where he reserved a plea on charges of second-degree murder.

(the headline is as above)(the newsnet version is just below the opening paragraph)

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[newtv]

Hope you don't mind me here. I'm not from Canada, but this still has bothered me alot. I never felt like Lianna could just walk away from her little girl. Did they know what the sex of the new baby was? Perhaps another girl and Micheal had to have a son?
god i hope its not about that-for gods sake how barbaric is that?

[newtv]

"Just stay there, we'll find you. We will. I'll find you," he said tearfully in a television interview last week.

This sounds weirder to me now then ever- I mean why would u ask her to stay where she is -if she had any chance of escaping then you would want her to had she been abducted.

added

O/Topic but very critical to society..a nominee for the supreme court justice seat vacated by day-oconner is being announced at 9 pm eastern - breaking news from CNN.

[Mimi]

Why would he reserve a plea do u think?
I'm sure based on legal advice so they can derive the best defense- like insanity or accidental GRRRR!!!!:behindbar That poor little Ashley- he has now deprived her of both parents:sick: .

[poco]

[QUOTE=newtv]on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? [QUOTE]

Newt - you think maybe he called in a sitter?????????? :slap:

[newtv]

[QUOTE=newtv]on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? [QUOTE]

Newt - you think maybe he called in a sitter?????????? :slap:
dah! good point poco..rofl

[alien-daddy]

There is a thread here on WS for this case:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26500

Pretty interesting reading !
True enough....

I wanted to point out the very rare references the Canadian media makes to Scott Peterson. We're just so isolated up here in the frigid north.

Alien-Daddy

[Jess]

Global Edmonton
12 pm news

July 26th will be Michael White's next court appearance.
His lawyer, Larry Anderson, refused to comment on the similarities between this case and Scott Peterson, nor would he comment on his client's state of mind.

[Moggie]

[QUOTE=newtv]"Just stay there, we'll find you. We will. I'll find you," he said tearfully in a television interview last week.

This sounds weirder to me now then ever- I mean why would u ask her to stay where she is -if she had any chance of escaping then you would want her to had she been abducted.


However, its seems he did just that!!!!!!!

[cami]

I wonder if he shot her, the article said that they used metal detectors near the body, maybe they were looking for a gun. We see more and more of these cases where a husband kills a pregnant wife, just so sad. When I was pregnant my husband and I were the happiest. You have to be a really horrible, selfish, person (Scott Peterson type) to murder your pregnant wife and baby.

I'm wondering what the "indiginity to the body" means. I wonder if he partially dismembered her. Ugh, awful to think about. God Bless her and the baby. I hope this creep gets life without.

[nohat]

True enough....

I wanted to point out the very rare references the Canadian media makes to Scott Peterson. We're just so isolated up here in the frigid north.

Alien-Daddy

Thank you for doing so Alien... Appreciated reading your post.

[SanQuentinvisitor]

Here we go again.......I just don't even try to pretend to understand why these 'similar' cases keep happening.......Do these men not read the papers? What happen to good ol' divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious:

[cami]

Does Canada have a law similar to the one in the US allowing someone to be charged w/ 2 murders if a woman is pregnant?

I don't think we do. We murder babies every day here, by abortion.

[robinparten]

Here we go again.......I just don't even try to pretend to understand why these 'similar' cases keep happening.......Do these men not read the papers? What happen to good ol' divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious:
SQV, I thought the same thing - do each of these men really think that THEY are the one who will outsmart everyone???? I mean, if that isn't a symptom of how very STUPID they really are, I don't know what is.

[cami]

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?

what about Cspan? Don't you get Canadian news on that in the US? It will be 6:00 pm my time in the Atlantic.

[cami]

casshew-thanku for the insight into holmoka - laurieJ - thanku too..
As I said - I am not on top of that case and when I heard paul bernardo claiming it was all karla's idea I just wondered why anyone would listent o him-and as I said- being in the west I dont know the case the same way you guys might in the east.
I surely do not want to debate it as she doesnt deserve my defense when I dont know anything anyhow..if she steps out of line I am sure she will be in jail right away.
However, is she considered a registered sex offender?? I am just curious as I thought she was exempt from that process?

Thanks gang

anything bernardo has to say would be self-serving and designed to get him out of prison some day. I am glad that he was not given air time. He's ten times worse than Homolka will ever be.

We don't have a national sex offender registry but she did have to give them her dna for the new database so you could consider her registered.

[cami]

Global Edmonton
12 pm news

July 26th will be Michael White's next court appearance.
His lawyer, Larry Anderson, refused to comment on the similarities between this case and Scott Peterson, nor would he comment on his client's state of mind.

Oh Dear God, please Edmonton do not accept a plea. this guy should be, must be, prosecuted to the fullest extent, no deals, no insanity.

[mom-a-licious]

I really wish there'd be some sort of an Additional charge that could be leveled against these guys for making their overly-dramatic, garbled, completely see-through lying statements to the media, LE, the victim's other family members, and the public; while they know darn well that their victim is already dead and gone and lying out there somewhere, and everyone is looking frantically for her.

For some reason, whenever this sort of thing happens, it just burns me up :furious: to look back at the perp's behavior during the time following the murder, while everyone is looking for the vicitm, and the so-called "distraught" hubby---who always seems to become panic-stricken and distraught extremely quickly in these cases---is crying, and making soap-opera-type statements about his wife, and making dramatic statements after only three days such as "my grief has turned to anger now, I will find her myself", and crap like that.

I really think that although the murder itself may not have been premeditated, the lying and misleading of everyone for days and days afterward certainly is premeditated. By that time, the perp has had plenty of time to consider what he's done, and what he's continuing to do, and if he continues to try to do it, it Does add an aspect of pre-meditation to the whole thing.

little Ashley now is not only without her Mom, and her Dad, and her home and family as she knew it, she is also without the sibling she would have had. :mad:

[SanQuentinvisitor]

SQV, I thought the same thing - do each of these men really think that THEY are the one who will outsmart everyone???? I mean, if that isn't a symptom of how very STUPID they really are, I don't know what is.
:rolleyes: I know........it really just blows my mind that some idiot actually thought by changing it up a bit (not using water as a disposal site)........he looked less obvious. And just when he thought they weren't going to find her, he decided to move things along and point 'his' group in the right direction............:doh:

But this is Canada so he'll be looking at 5 years in a cushy resort for offing his wife and unborn child.......... (no offense to Canada):blowkiss:

[Mabel]

Perhaps this will help Scott's fans to see the truth. Men do kill their pregnant wives, and for very little reason.


Nah.........

[desert]

What, I wonder, is the "committing an indignity to a dead body" ?? That is beyond sick, especially to someone you know. Someone on the other thread mentioned burning her to make it look like some serial killer in the area (and perhaps to prevent identification).

[Daisy]

You are right, Mom-a-licious, that there should be another charge that could be filed against these liars. "Obstruction of Justice" comes to mind...these guys know that the case could be solved within a matter of seconds if they just told the truth. Instead they lead LE, search teams AND family members, friends and relatives on a wild goose chase because they are trying to get away with murder. Obstruction of Justice at the very least...and may the penalty for that be defined by the type of crime they were trying to hide. Don't know if this makes any sense...I'm not the most well-spoken (or well-typed in this case :p ) person around.

[Mabel]

What, I wonder, is the "committing an indignity to a dead body" ?? That is beyond sick, especially to someone you know. Someone on the other thread mentioned burning her to make it look like some serial killer in the area (and perhaps to prevent identification).

In Canada, according to the discussion, merely moving a dead body is considered "committing an indignity".

[heavenlydaze]

[QUOTE=newtv]on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? [QUOTE]

Newt - you think maybe he called in a sitter?????????? :slap:

Poco, you're a hoot!
Anyway, I'm going to speculate that he didn't leave the 3 yr old alone (unless maybe she was sleeping)...the sick, twisted SOB probably strapped her in the car seat & took her with him to dispose of Mommy. After all, a 3 yr old would hardly be much of a witness.

[desert]

In Canada, according to the discussion, merely moving a dead body is considered "committing an indignity".
Oh, wow, I had no idea. That's actually a relief.

[cami]

In Canada, according to the discussion, merely moving a dead body is considered "committing an indignity".

Thanks Mabel, didn't know that.

[Mygirlsadie]

Michael White said "I'm no Scott Peterson." True, very true. He will never face the penalty that was handed down to SP.

:furious:
hmmm maybe he is no Scott Peterson but he sure does look just like Mark Hacking...Birds of a feather........................

[weekender]

Wow, what a thought. Wonder if the police have questioned the 3 year old, and what, if anything she could tell them.

[Daisy]

hmmm maybe he is no Scott Peterson but he sure does look just like Mark Hacking...Birds of a feather........................
I thought of Mark Hacking as well. However, I noticed in the family picture of them when he was smiling he looked like a very very chubby SP (minus the hair and wearing a hat). I guess we can call him Scott Hacking or Mark Peterson, eh? :crazy:

[FacTink]

Anyone heard any news? If so...hope you'll roll in and update us. The autopsy should probably have identity by now...dental records? scars? other things depending upon the condition of the remains (man it hurts to use those words.)

BTW, I'm wondering if anyone in or around Edmonton may have any information on a website OR other place that those of us who would like to express our condolences to the family could send. i.e. is there a guest book somewhere, or would one of the newspapers up there support something of this nature? I would hope that whatever it is, it would be moderated...i.e. so the family doesn't have to hear anything but kindness, rather than some of the wackos like those who showed in the Laci guest book.

Posted by FT 7/13/05:
>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

It almost sounds like SP speak. Does it make sense to anyone?

Posted by Cass 7/13/05:
>>'just stay there' = don't you dare surface?
'I will find you' = I know where you are?<<

Well...Cass...perhaps the "I know where you are" was not at all incorrect. And perhaps the SP speak is becoming more and more obvious ...

Of course, we don't know if White is guilty yet...but my bet is that LE is fairly clear on some things, thus the arrest. Interesting that there was no plea or whatever it was today...perhaps the attorney is waiting for the autopsy to see precisely what proof there is before figuring out the way he can angle to try to defend what, again, appears to be someone unworthy of defense. Yeah yeah yeah...it will be interesting to hear the "story." ..."but she was irate, I asked her to calm down, but she threw the dishrag at me and it hit me on my sore nose, and well, I was real schnockered at the time and I got a little made, but when I just playfully pushed her to back her off, she tripped over the cat and hit her head on a loaded gun that was sitting on the counter and blammo. I was so scared...I didn't mean to do it...I loved her...I was irate, but it was just a playful push!" Uh huh...what will the story be IF there is not just more of "deny, deny, deny" (like the other SP speak we heard just before the body was found.) :(

FT

[Casshew]

Looks like Canada may have its own Scott Peterson
Scott, I can handle... but if there's a Jackie up here ~ I'm leaving! :snooty:

[KrazyKollector]

I keep trying to come up with possible motives also.

Besides the good ones you all have offered up, I am wondering about a couple more.

Is the husband on steroids? Could he have become enraged from something simple and then went too far?

Could he be an abuser, one who wanted control totally over his wife? When she backtalked, he flew into a full-blown hissy and used his wife as a human punching bag? Perhaps going too far?

When her description first came out, it was said Lianna was 5'4" and 190 pounds. But, the pics we saw, few as they were, didn't seem to support that stat. The description was fixed later to say 150 pounds (I think that's what I read). Could he not have liked her getting so big, made fun of her or made hateful comments about her size. Finally, she tells him when to stick it and he goes into a sociopathic rage? That would be part of the abuseive personna.

Nothing has been said in the news or on tv about him being any kind of abuser. I am just throwing our ideas for everyone. :(

[adnoid]

Perhaps this will help Scott's fans to see the truth...

They would only see the truth if it's in front of a box of donuts.

[PrayersForMaura]

I keep trying to come up with possible motives also.

Besides the good ones you all have offered up, I am wondering about a couple more.

Is the husband on steroids? Could he have become enraged from something simple and then went too far?

Could he be an abuser, one who wanted control totally over his wife? When she backtalked, he flew into a full-blown hissy and used his wife as a human punching bag? Perhaps going too far?

When her description first came out, it was said Lianna was 5'4" and 190 pounds. But, the pics we saw, few as they were, didn't seem to support that stat. The description was fixed later to say 150 pounds (I think that's what I read). Could he not have liked her getting so big, made fun of her or made hateful comments about her size. Finally, she tells him when to stick it and he goes into a sociopathic rage? That would be part of the abuseive personna.

Nothing has been said in the news or on tv about him being any kind of abuser. I am just throwing our ideas for everyone. :(
Gosh, I hope not! She looked pretty small for being pregnant AND he's kind of a pig himself, so he has no room to judge a woman for her weight. :sick:

[Jess]

I am listening to CHED radio in Edmonton. They are going to carry the news conference live,as I believe CBC NewsWorld also. www.630ched.com/
Nothing has been heard from either family: no mention of any website or anything for condolences. I would think the hospital ( Royal Alex) would pass along any cards or letters.
Interestingly the staff was said to be sad, no mention of shocked or surprised. Could be a media slant or it could be very telling.

[Alta]

I was saddened this morning when I woke up and watched ctv newsnet to see she had been found and the husband charged with her murder.I have been following this since she went missing and when I watched his tearful plea,I had to wonder if he didn't plan his speech so well it all come out wrong.I think he tried to hard to sound sincere.I also had the feeling it would be a search party that he was part of would find her body.They had a few day old interview this morning on our local Global station and in my opinion he was a little to rested looking and relaxed for a man so worried about his missing wife.Its 3 here now I am gonna flick and see if I can find the news conference anywhere.

[Jess]

These are just notes on the news conference. I am typing as they speak.
Detective Michael Campeau-- lead investigator

confirms it is Liana White
cannot give a time of death
cannot charge a person in Canada with the death of an unborn child
EDP had never gone to the house before
no criminal record
record with the military
media - put investigation under stress
there has been a policeman working on this file - every single minute
will not comment where the murder was committed
preliminary search of the house - found nothing
cause of death is undetermined
state of decomposition --more tests must be done
body shows signs of a struggle
they always knew where he was when he was searching
half ton truck - removed from scene-- vehicle left where her body found
financial difficulties
comments on tv -- out of the norm of a way a suspect acts
no polygraph
she was not fully clothed
person of interest- from the get go -- look at the family first- not as a suspect - later on in the week he became one
search warrants being prepared for financial situation
Both families - are devestated
tragic for both families
Liana's mom is not doing well at all-- thinks she has custody of Ashley
second time in house - forensic team has over 150 exhibits - at the house, SUV,field
house was pristine - not a red flag
2nd degree - no evidence of any planning
Sunday night-- he was arrested - lawyer caution/rights just after 4
He exercised those rights
murder took place between the 11th and the 12th
timeframe - times are different between him and the witnesses
last seen by ? ( someone else) at midnight
no evidence of any other person involved
paternity not questioned

[FacTink]

Some quotes...

>>Earlier that day he had said his nights since Liana's disappearance had alternated between nightmares and sleeplessness.

"If they're thinking it was the husband, forget the husband. Let's find my wife," he told a reporter, adding that he feared the worst.

"I want people to know she was an outstanding person who contributed to the community," he said. "There's no reason why this should have happened." <<


Check the distancing..."If they're (who is they?) thinking it was the husband (THE HUSBAND? OR "ME, HER HUSBAND") Then there is "my wife" not Lianne...

"I want people to know she ---> WAS <---- an outstanding person who ..." (contributed <----past tense)

"There's no reason why this should have happened..." Hmmm...you mean "I can't imagine that Lianne could have done anything that could have contributed to her disappearance...she was always cautious, looked out for strangers..." why "this" <----this?

Well...perhaps some of this is somewhat explainable, but so much of it just felt so weird to the ears! The bit about "thinking it was the husband" is really strange...

FT

[Jess]

The truck was registered to Michael White. They were aware of it and were in the process of getting a search warrant for it. Some media had reported a vehicle being driven out of the field under a tarp.

I typed as fast as I could. If I missed things, I hope someone else can fill in

[Mabel]

Thanks, Jess. That answers many of our questions.

EDP had never gone to the house before

What is EDP?

[FacTink]

Hi Jess,

Thanks so much! Can you recall anything else that was said? I tried to find something/anything on TV here in California, could not :(

[Jess]

EDP - Edmonton Police Department

I guess he has a record with the military ( criminal ) but none with civilian authorities in Edmonton. They had never been called to the house before this -- ala domestic abuse etc.
I am trying to remember all that I heard- it really didn't register as I was typing.

[Mabel]

The truck was registered to Michael White. They were aware of it and were in the process of getting a search warrant for it. Some media had reported a vehicle being driven out of the field under a tarp.

I typed as fast as I could. If I missed things, I hope someone else can fill in

I figured out the EDP thing, nevermind.

Are you saying that he left his own truck at the location where her body was found?

[Casshew]

These are just notes on the news conference. I am typing as they speak.
Detective Michael Campeau-- lead investigator

confirms it is Liana White
cannot give a time of death
cannot charge a person in Canada with the death of an unborn child
EDP had never gone to the house before
no criminal record
record with the military
media - put investigation under stress
there has been a policeman working on this file - every single minute
will not comment where the murder was committed
preliminary search of the house - found nothing
cause of death is undetermined
state of decomposition --more tests must be done
body shows signs of a struggle
they always knew where he was when he was searching
half ton truck - removed from scene-- vehicle left where her body found
financial difficulties
comments on tv -- out of the norm of a way a suspect acts
no polygraph
she was not fully clothed
person of interest- from the get go -- look at the family first- not as a suspect - later on in the week he became one
search warrants being prepared for financial situation
Both families - are devestated
tragic for both families
Liana's mom is not doing well at all-- thinks she has custody of Ashley
second time in house - forensic team has over 150 exhibits - at the house, SUV, house
house was pristine - not a red flag
2nd degree - no evidence of any planning
Sunday night-- he was arrested - lawyer caution/rights just after 4
He exercised those rights
murder took place between the 11th and the 12th
timeframe - times are different between him and the witnesses
last seen by ? ( someone else) at midnight
no evidence of any other person involved
paternity not questioned
Wow.. thanks Jess, great recap :blowkiss:

A few things stand out-

Liana's body showed signs of a struggle - she knew who her killer was, what he was doing, she tried to flght back and protect herself and her baby.

Her body was not fully clothed....

Financial difficulites.... a ha! a new baby would make it worse for Mr. White

also

if she said she was leaving him - he would have 2 kids to support


House was pristine.... looks like Mr. Clean payed a visit :rolleyes:

Cause of death - undetermined?? we need a better coroner!

[Jess]

If you go to the website www.630ched.com/ (http://www.630ched.com/) you can get a live audio feed and they are going to be talking about it at the bottom of the hour -- 2:30 your time

[Alta]

The truck was registered to Michael White. They were aware of it and were in the process of getting a search warrant for it. Some media had reported a vehicle being driven out of the field under a tarp.

I typed as fast as I could. If I missed things, I hope someone else can fill in
I watched this as well ctv newsnet aired it.I looked up their site but they charge a subscription fee to watch their live feeds.You basically got everything he said I was scrambling to write it all down.I believe they did say the 150 exhibits are evidence collected from the house,suv and also from the area where the body was found.He was arrested at the scene shortly after the body was located.

[FacTink]

Thanks Jess! HAVE THE LIVE FEED thanks to you!

ft

[Jess]

Apparently body was quite decomposed. Guess they looking for strangulation, asphyxiation ?
Indignity to a dead body -- just what we originally said, that she was dumped or left without proper burial.
The husband's rights changed as soon as he was charged - and advised of those rights ( we do not have Miranda ) and he used those rights.

[Jess]

The remark about a pristine house came from a reporter. The lead investigator said it did not mean anything as most people do not live as pigs I think he said. Could have said slobs.

[Jess]

Obviously the police were watching and listening to every word, every nuance said by Michael White to the media. Guess they know all about the body language just like we do !!

[FacTink]

>>Apparently body was quite decomposed.<<

What have the temps been in Edmonton between the 12th and the 19th? That is not a long time for a body to decompose unless it has been very hot?

FT

[Alta]

Here is a link to the National Post with the details of the newsconference.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=3607e449-df78-449d-9bc3-a62f684168e7

[Casshew]

Did I read somewhere that it was Mike White who called 911 after Liana was found? I would love to hear that call :rolleyes: or read the transcript if someone comes across it.

This reminds me of Scott's prophecy "I lost my wife" weeks before Laci went missing.

Mike says "I will find you" during his empassioned plea to the media. :doh:

[Jess]

He left her truck where the body was found !! Duh !! How in the world was he going to explain to the police where his truck had gone ?

[FacTink]

Hmmm... maybe the truck wasn't registered to anyone, or the IDs were already off of it? OR maybe he figured he would wait until the heat died down then go get it? OR maybe he would go explode it at a later point in time? Sloppy work...obviously no pro, then again...what happened in the military. That will be interesting to learn. Anyone hear anything on this yet?

FT

[newtv]

He left her truck where the body was found !! Duh !! How in the world was he going to explain to the police where his truck had gone ?I dont understand..he left her truck where the body was found? Do you mean the explorer?

I feel terrible for her - she struggled and i always hope the person didnt know it was even happening..
I cant see how it wasnt planned if she struggled..I mean at some point it seems to me she would be begging for her life-to me it becomes planned right then and there.

[joanofarc]

>>Apparently body was quite decomposed.<<

What have the temps been in Edmonton between the 12th and the 19th? That is not a long time for a body to decompose unless it has been very hot?

FTHi FacTink:

I live in Calgary...2 hours from Edmonton and the weather has been quite warm over the last week...not extremely hot but nice warm temps....75 - 80%...with the exception of the weekend which was cooler on Sat, July 16...when we had a little wind and rain....

[poco]

Be wary of baldheaded men - especially if your name starts with an L.....

[newtv]

I'm wondering what the "indiginity to the body" means. I wonder if he partially dismembered her. Ugh, awful to think about. God Bless her and the baby. I hope this creep gets life without.
I am still puzzled by this too - it has to be something bigger than just moving the body-it has been suggested she was burned-if so that explains why she was so decomposed (or is a week enough to destroy all paths to cause of death)..
They know there were signs of a struggle but not when or how she died-doesnt make sense to me?
I suppose he could have beheaded her and the head is missing- if he were to have shot her..that type of thing-but we will have to wait and see- I hunch it will be sealed till the court proceedings begin.

[spygirl]

Scott, I can handle... but if there's a Jackie up here ~ I'm leaving! :snooty:You can come stay with me for awhile Cass....

I had a dream about you last night, that I ran into you at a mall. The only reason I knew it was you was because you were wearing a shirt that said "Casshew". You were bubbly and sweet and wearing bright blue sparkly eye-shadow.

:)

[FacTink]

Sure seems to me that UNLESS the extra charge (committing an indignity to a body) explains "why" they can't account for the cause of death at this point, that there would be some evidence.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/

FT

PS. Thanks JOArc for the notes on the temps. How is the weather at night?

[Jess]

The truck was registered to Michael White. He left it NW of the city where the body was found.stupid thing to do, but that is what he did.
The weather up here has not been exceptionally hot. In fact Friday was quite cool. We've had some good rainstorms and showers.
Some media are saying she was identified by dental records .
Alta can correct me if I am wrong, but indignity to a dead body means he left her out in the ditch by the farmer's field.That's it for this case-- he left the body in a field, period. Nothing else was mentioned or hinted at. I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body."

[newtv]

I don't think we do. We murder babies every day here, by abortion.
please leave that out of this-we are talking about a woman who has been murdered with child - the rest is an attempt at making this thread what it isnt about..
It might be a good time to make an effort to change that law but lets keep it to this case. You can start a thread on the rest of it elsewhere if you want to provoke that conversation/debate.

[Alta]

I am thinking she may have been burned as they said she had to be identified through dental records.

[Jess]

Detective Campeau was quite clear, I thought, that it was because of decomposition , that made it necessary to use dental records. He also said she was not fully clothed. Doesn't sound burned to me.

[newtv]

The truck was registered to Michael White. He left it NW of the city where the body was found.stupid thing to do, but that is what he did.
The weather up here has not been exceptionally hot. In fact Friday was quite cool. We've had some good rainstorms and showers.
Some media are saying she was identified by dental records .
Alta can correct me if I am wrong, but indignity to a dead body means he left her out in the ditch by the farmer's field.That's it for this case-- he left the body in a field, period. Nothing else was mentioned or hinted at. I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body."
Jess are you saying there is another vehicle besides the explorer involved and that it is a vehicle that was at the crime scene and he thought no one knew he had that vehicle..or he was just too stupid to think they would want to know about a second vehicle.?

Just a general comment..I am so sick of men killing their wives because they have financial problems - I dont know anyone who doesnt consider they have finanacial concerns-struggles etc- even the wealthy ones.
Financial fears and struggles are a part of most peoples lives-what makes it an issue to kill over..further when u cant manage finances to the point where u would kill for more money, I hunch that its just a matter of time before that insurance money is used up too-then u once again have the same struggles...I mean if u dont clean up the underlying problem behind financial chaos then its never going to be differnt..no amount of money will ever be enough.
I also dont get why the body is decomposed to that extent..is that normal?
Thats the only thng that makes me wonder if he did anything to make the cause of death impossible to determine.

Thanks Jess for all the hard work u have done and keeping eberyone alerted. I was too busy to even catch the news so I will try to watch later.

[FacTink]

I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body." Yes...and only partially clothed? I'll bet there is more...to this indignity thing, they may be keeping some of it quiet. SOMEONE found the body...so somone knows.

Also...if he left that truck, how did he get back home - how far away was it from the house? Could he have walked home and not left the baby there for too long? Did he hitch a ride with someone? Did he have a friend come get him? If so...did that friend talk? Hmmm...or not talk?

Felony child endangerment? I'm with some of you, wish they could pile some more charges on.

FT

[joanofarc]

Signs of a struggle might mean bruising, right?

If so, they must have been able to determine this from her body...I also have an inkling he may have set her on fire to make it look like it was work of the "serial" killer in Edmonton . If set on fire she may not have completely burned but enough to make it not easy to readily identify her....therefore the need for LE to have to access her dental records...

[newtv]

Detective Campeau was quite clear, I thought, that it was because of decomposition , that made it necessary to use dental records. He also said she was not fully clothed. Doesn't sound burned to me.I am wondering what the half clothed thing is all about?? I mean why would he do that-usually when u know the person u want them to be covered..unless he was trying to stage a rape scene.

[newtv]

I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body." Yes...and only partially clothed? I'll bet there is more...to this indignity thing, they may be keeping some of it quiet. SOMEONE found the body...so somone knows.

Also...if he left that truck, how did he get back home - how far away was it from the house? Could he have walked home and not left the baby there for too long? Did he hitch a ride with someone? Did he have a friend come get him? If so...did that friend talk? Hmmm...or not talk?

Felony child endangerment? I'm with some of you, wish they could pile some more charges on.

FT
I agree-get him on everything.
He must have left the truck there because it had evidence in it.
Why else would he?
Unless he figured they would check the tires and find field dirt etc.

[joanofarc]

I am wondering what the half clothed thing is all about?? I mean why would he do that-usually when u know the person u want them to be covered..unless he was trying to stage a rape scene.
That is exactly what he was doing I bet...trying to make it look like the perp was a sexual offender...IMO

[karmarama]

He left her truck where the body was found !! Duh !! How in the world was he going to explain to the police where his truck had gone ?


I think they mean that he left HIS truck where the body was found, He was part of the search team that found her, right?

We did have a couple hot days last week, nothing extreme though.
I also believe that he must have done something to her body to try and hide her identity and probably some evidence.I don't know how many details LE will give us, they try and keep everything so darn secretive here!

I will try and find out where condolences can be sent, and or some website and I will get back to you.

This is terrible :( Liana's Mom is reported as not doing well :( how sad , to think they let him stay at their house, believing his lies, all the while he new exactly where Liana was! just like Scott Peterson :furious:

[joanofarc]

The truck was under a tarp...perhaps, he never thought it would be found/looked at because it was on private property (farmer's land)...maybe he thought it would just be ignored and he could carry on his merry way....what a DUMBO :doh:

[Casshew]

You can come stay with me for awhile Cass....

I had a dream about you last night, that I ran into you at a mall. The only reason I knew it was you was because you were wearing a shirt that said "Casshew". You were bubbly and sweet and wearing bright blue sparkly eye-shadow.

:)
Okay.. that dream is scarier than me doing Cardoza :hand:

[newtv]

That is exactly what he was doing I bet...trying to make it look like the perp was a sexual offender...IMO
especially if he was aware that prostitutes were being killed in the area..
but the reality is that when a story doesnt add up it just doesnt
so the truth is revealed from the lies people tell
I know that its best to own up to whatever one does cuz then even the true story will make sense-even if you committed a crime.
The coverups are the way the truth is revealed..it simply doesnt check out when its made up.

My 5:30 news PST..will have reaction from friends and neighbors- I will report anything note worthy. Also results from the autopsy but I am sure its nothing not already released-likely a teaser.

[FacTink]

Hiya NewTV...

Well...you can ALMOST BET he staged something on the body (to make it look like someone else did it)...because he certainly staged the car, the wallet stuff, the phone, the shoes and so on. WHAT A DOPE!

Ft

[newtv]

I think they mean that he left HIS truck where the body was found, He was part of the search team that found her, right?

We did have a couple hot days last week, nothing extreme though.
I also believe that he must have done something to her body to try and hide her identity and probably some evidence.I don't know how many details LE will give us, they try and keep everything so darn secretive here!

I will try and find out where condolences can be sent, and or some website and I will get back to you.

This is terrible :( Liana's Mom is reported as not doing well :( how sad , to think they let him stay at their house, believing his lies, all the while he new exactly where Liana was! just like Scott Peterson :furious:
Now I am confused-when did he leave the truck where the body was found and why would that be a problem if he left it there after it was found..?? Doesnt add up to me so I must be missing a piece.

[newtv]

The truck was under a tarp...perhaps, he never thought it would be found/looked at because it was on private property (farmer's land)...maybe he thought it would just be ignored and he could carry on his merry way....what a DUMBO :doh:
for the sake of my strained brain can someone tell me the story of the truck from start to finish- I am confused now-as to when it was left.

FT
You have to wonder what these guys are thinking-I mean it wasnt even staged very well.

[FacTink]

HAHAHA News....

I must be getting tired, nappy time. You wrote:
>>Doesnt add up to me so I must be missing a piece.<<

Oh don't feel bad, I have a screw loose and lost marbles :)

[Jess]

[QUOTE=newtv]Jess are you saying there is another vehicle besides the explorer involved and that it is a vehicle that was at the crime scene and he thought no one knew he had that vehicle..or he was just too stupid to think they would want to know about a second vehicle.?

Yes, a pick up truck -- his

That is a puzzlement - how did he get home ? I think the distance 7 k was mentioned. About 4 miles--( I am not sure about this at all--but that figure sticks out in my mind - )

So he drove her to the field, left her and the truck and made it home on his own. ? there is no evidence of someone else being involved.

The truck was taken out of the field where her body was found, covered by a tarp - probably by forensics !It was on a trailer and covered.

[newtv]

[QUOTE=newtv]Jess are you saying there is another vehicle besides the explorer involved and that it is a vehicle that was at the crime scene and he thought no one knew he had that vehicle..or he was just too stupid to think they would want to know about a second vehicle.?

Yes, a pick up truck -- his

That is a puzzlement - how did he get home ? I think the distance 7 k was mentioned. About 4 miles--( I am not sure about this at all--but that figure sticks out in my mind - )

So he drove her to the field, left her and the truck and made it home on his own. ? there is no evidence of someone else being involved.

The truck was taken out of the field where her body was found, covered by a tarp - probably by forensics !It was on a trailer and covered.
ok- so the post that he left the truck there at the time of the search is an error- thats all i wanted to get straight..thx a whole lot.

FT_ my marbles are known to leave the premises on a regular basis as well..lol

[spygirl]

Be wary of baldheaded men - especially if your name starts with an L.....Thanks there Poco.... you guys are really on a roll. My fiance is bald and my name starts with an L. :razz:

Hey Cass, if there's a "Jackie" up there, looks like we'll both be looking for somewhere to stay!

[newtv]

Jess- are we wearing you out or are you ok with so many questions..if you feel bombarded just tell us.:blowkiss:.its just been hard piecing it together -though I will listen to my local news at 5:30 and take notes of anything that might be worthy of posting-(but I hunch its all here by now).

[Jess]

Because there is so little given to the media , and it is very controlled, there has been a lot of confusion with interpretations. Reading some of the national reports of the news conference---the reporters have gotten things wrong.

Michael White was not a suspect at first, but the Det . said that later on in the week, he was. They were aware of his truck.They were preparing a search warrant to look at his truck.

It could be interpreted to mean that by doing background checks, motorvehicle checks--they knew he had a truck. Where was it ? What was his explanation for it ? Probably one of the things that made them begin to look at him as a suspect. OR

After they found the body, they confiscated the pick up, which he had driven to the field with the search party,to search for evidence.

Any other guesses ?

[Jess]

Nope - don't mind the questions at all. I'm turning to Global Edmonton to listen to their reporters take on the news conference.

[Mygirlsadie]

Scott, I can handle... but if there's a Jackie up here ~ I'm leaving! :snooty:
LMAO :laugh:

[Jess]

Global Edmonton --5pm newscast

ONLY things that are new

Michael White's troubled past with the military
1997- armored crewman
released in Nov 2002--courtmartialed
21 counts of theft- computers, tools pleaded guilty
used financial troubles as a motive in 2002

Letting him go on air was part of the Police investigative strategy
motive -- still working on it
again bringing up Scott Peterson case

[Mygirlsadie]

I thought of Mark Hacking as well. However, I noticed in the family picture of them when he was smiling he looked like a very very chubby SP (minus the hair and wearing a hat). I guess we can call him Scott Hacking or Mark Peterson, eh? :crazy:

hehe yea I like that! Or how about we can just call them LOSER!! :loser: :loser:

[spygirl]

Thanks for the updates gals.... you're really on top of it. Hopefully we'll see a forum.

I'm still baffled about the 2nd degree charge. I wonder if more charges are possible, or if it's too late since he's been charged already.

[Margie123]

Thanks for the updates gals.... you're really on top of it. Hopefully we'll see a forum.

I'm still baffled about the 2nd degree charge. I wonder if more charges are possible, or if it's too late since he's been charged already.The second degree charge could have been simply to hold him. I believe they can change it later if they need to.

[spygirl]

Global Edmonton --5pm newscast

ONLY things that are new

Michael White's troubled past with the military
1997- armored crewman
released in Nov 2002--courtmartialed
21 counts of theft- computers, tools pleaded guilty
used financial troubles as a motive in 2002

Letting him go on air was part of the Police investigative strategy
motive -- still working on it
again bringing up Scott Peterson case21 COUNTS?? :doh:

If he pulled that here, he'd still be in Levenworth (our military prison).

[Casshew]

G
released in Nov 2002--courtmartialed
21 counts of theft- computers, tools pleaded guilty
used financial troubles as a motive in 2002
His family must be so proud :rolleyes:

[concernedperson]

Well, there you go a motive. Neatly wrapped up. But she is still dead. How does second degree murder come into this instead of first degree? This hurts to know that someone's life is so invaluable. I truly believe with what we have learned this is first degree murder.

[spygirl]

Well, there you go a motive. Neatly wrapped up. But she is still dead. How does second degree murder come into this instead of first degree? This hurts to know that someone's life is so invaluable. I truly believe with what we have learned this is first degree murder.I think so too, CP.

:mad:

[newtv]

Well, there you go a motive. Neatly wrapped up. But she is still dead. How does second degree murder come into this instead of first degree? This hurts to know that someone's life is so invaluable. I truly believe with what we have learned this is first degree murder.
yep I agree with all of you on this one-he used financial struggles as an excuse to explain his crimes..it is not much of a leap to suggest he used it this time as a means to an end. What a total loser and I wonder if she or her family even knew about these things.
Remember all the stuff of hacking and peckerson..all the stuff no one even knew about??
I wont be surprised to hear this is once again the case.

[Jess]

They were married in 2000 in Edmonton ( they met in a bar). He was courtmartialed in 2002--surely she knew why ? He entered the military in 1997 in Edmonton.

[lostfaith]

I think they mean that he left HIS truck where the body was found, He was part of the search team that found her, right?

We did have a couple hot days last week, nothing extreme though.
I also believe that he must have done something to her body to try and hide her identity and probably some evidence.I don't know how many details LE will give us, they try and keep everything so darn secretive here!

I will try and find out where condolences can be sent, and or some website and I will get back to you.

This is terrible :( Liana's Mom is reported as not doing well :( how sad , to think they let him stay at their house, believing his lies, all the while he new exactly where Liana was! just like Scott Peterson :furious:

I just thought of something. Maybe he drove that truck to the search area the day they found her, left it there because someone else drove him where ever after she was found, then he was arrested and the police went back to get his truck.

[newtv]

They were married in 2000 in Edmonton ( they met in a bar). He was courtmartialed in 2002--surely she knew why ? He entered the military in 1997 in Edmonton.
I did not know the dates -but remember- hackings wife knew him all his life and she didnt know he wasnt a student. But you are likely right as he may have had to be in court and she would know that much..(military court).

[cosmos33]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.

[karmarama]

I just thought of something. Maybe he drove that truck to the search area the day they found her, left it there because someone else drove him where ever after she was found, then he was arrested and the police went back to get his truck.
Yes! that's what I was trying to say! LOL
I surely do not want to confuse anyone, sorry guys!

I contacted global news and asked about sending cards and well wishes...

Lynda Steel wrote me back right away! she said " your best bet is to contact Edmonton Police media department" or wait for the obit in the paper and send them though the funeral directors.

[cosmos33]

"Campeau said she was seen just before midnight last Monday by someone other than White, about seven hours before the SUV was reported in the parking lot."

National Post weblink: http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=7114d81c-a70f-46af-b6d1-c77e23eb3845

fourth last paragraph of the article.

[cosmos33]

Campeau as in Edmonton Police Det. Michael Campeau

[Schmerty_Jones]

I was hoping against hope..that another pregnant young woman would not be murdered by her husband. Prayers for Lianna's family & her sweet little daughter. Is that why as children we dream of monsters?? There sure are enough around & there is nothing 2nd degree about their crimes. :mad:

[Casshew]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.
Hi cosmos.. welcome to Websleuths :)

How did you find us? just by searching the web?

[newtv]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.
welcome and thanku for the info-great to have u here.

[newtv]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.A segment is coming up in a 4 minutes on my vancouver news channel-they have interviewed neighbors-Ill let u know what is said if anything.
Thanks for clearing the truck thing up and I wonder who she was seeing at midnight-maybe she had worked an afternoon shift?

[cosmos33]

Hey thanks casshew (may I call you cashewfor short) You bet. Google. Sometimes I find things posted here well before I've come across the link. What I like about your site as well is that while it can be frustrating when the media are saying so little (aside: I suspect the EPD have an agreement with them on that so they can attempt to establish a local jury without prejudice) at least here you can voice your opinions or hear your opinions voiced by others and get a sense of how valid they are through the discussion. Just reading the news is quite limiting.

[concernedperson]

I was hoping against hope..that another pregnant young woman would not be murdered by her husband. Prayers for Lianna's family & her sweet little daughter. Is that why as children we dream of monsters?? There sure are enough around & there is nothing 2nd degree about their crimes. :mad:

Ditto. I dreamed of octupus as a young child and can still recall those dreams.

[cosmos33]

Thanks newtv, glad to be on board =) Looking forward to your t.v. reports. I don't get t.v. reception here and I'll be danged if I'm going to pay for cable lol!

[newtv]

Hey thanks casshew (may I call you cashewfor short) You bet. Google. Sometimes I find things posted here well before I've come across the link. What I like about your site as well is that while it can be frustrating when the media are saying so little (aside: I suspect the EPD have an agreement with them on that so they can attempt to establish a local jury without prejudice) at least here you can voice your opinions or hear your opinions voiced by others and get a sense of how valid they are through the discussion. Just reading the news is quite limiting.
hey cosmos-we call her worse things than casshew so I am sure its ok..lol

[newtv]

autopsy is continuing..very few clothes on- violent struggle - nothing new so far..but maybe the neighbors will have something to say-they had him on the list of who dun it before his plea-truck impounded to look for evidence..

[AlohaGal]

<i>...White, 28, spoke of the umbrella of suspicion he's been under since his wife Liana disappeared a week ago.
He said he was tired of being compared to killers like Scott Peterson - a man whose name he hadn't heard before last week.
"I want people to know she was an outstanding person who contributed to the community," he said on Sunday. ....</i>

+Lost the Link, Sorry+
And what does this have to do with him not being involved with his wife's disappearance?
ScottSpeak? PetersonSpeak?

[newtv]

-white grew up near toronto -
neighbors say normal and happy life
neighbors are saying its just a sad tragedy
they are now comparing this to hacking and peckerson
they are doing the mens tearful pleas one after another..

Not one new thing gang.

[Casshew]

hey cosmos-we call her worse things than casshew so I am sure its ok..lol
http://www.casshew.com/glare.gif


(LOL)

[cosmos33]

hey cosmos-we call her worse things than casshew so I am sure its ok..lol oh man! I meant to say can may I call you 'cash' good heavens! It's been one long day:doh:

[Jess]

Global National - 6:30 newscast


Michael White
-dishonourable activity within the military
-9 counts of theft
-12 counts of possession
-fined $3 000

- from Mar or Mars, Ontario - in the Georgian Bay area

[TisHerself]

What I would really like to do is sit down with these guys and ask them "now seriously do you really think you were going to get away with this?"
When White said he was going to have his own search I said to my son watch this he is going to find the body. Could you get any dumber?
I feel so sorry for little Ashley what a lousy hand to be dealt.

[cosmos33]

And the familes of both Liana and Mike. The mothers are the only ones I've heard about. They must be devastated

[newtv]

Global National - 6:30 newscast


Michael White
-dishonourable activity within the military
-9 counts of theft
-12 counts of possession
-fined $3 000

- from Mar or Mars, Ontario - in the Georgian Bay area
I think we watched the same one.

[Casshew]

oh man! I meant to say can may I call you 'cash' good heavens! It's been one long day:doh:
Just try not to call me one of these http://www.casshew.com/donkey.gif

[cosmos33]

Too funny =)
So cash it is. No visa ;-)

[Casshew]

Too funny =)
So cash it is. No visa ;-)
We take PayPaul too (it's like PayPal but goes straight to my hubby Paul) :innocent:

So back to Liana's little girl Ashley.... do we know if she is with Liana's family? or the SOB's family?

[cosmos33]

We take PayPaul too (it's like PayPal but goes straight to my hubby Paul) :innocent:

So back to Liana's little girl Ashley.... do we know if she is with Liana's family? or the SOB's family? Earlier today Det Campeau told the media he believed the baby was with Liana's mom. More than that I haven't heard. [hmmm just one vowel and he could be a very rich man!]

[blueclouds]

We take PayPaul too (it's like PayPal but goes straight to my hubby Paul) :innocent:

So back to Liana's little girl Ashley.... do we know if she is with Liana's family? or the SOB's family?

Ashley is in "custody" of Liana's mother. I do not know if it is formal custody or Michael gave her to her or Social Services decided or what. I dunno. If it's not formal custody, I have no doubt that she'll file within a day or so to make it legal. Otherwise any family member can lay claim to her.

I've been at my sisters since my help wasn't required so I didn't check in here. I have no further updates other than a late night call the other night and then I assumed it was Liana. I cannot believe this. What a freaking a#@#####!!!! Just absolutely amazes me that these men think they can get away with it. Idiots.

[spygirl]

Is that why as children we dream of monsters??Notice in children's fairy tales, there's usually no mother (figure).

[spygirl]

:laugh:....peckerson....LOL!!

:behindbar

[sugar]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

[Casshew]

Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent
If he confessed, would you change your mind?

[desert]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.
Yep, Scott Peterson is innocent of being a decent person, no doubt.

[spygirl]

Oh goody!!!

:D

[KrazyKollector]

Jess, casshew, newtv and blueclouds--

Thank you for all the information and updates that you have been posting here. I had a sad feeling it was going to end like this. Just too much staging done at the scene.

I wonder who she was with that Monday late-night? Not Michael....
Maybe she was meeting someone from an abuse hotline or a counsellor?

It does seem to narrow when it all happened that night.


Again, thank you dear ones up north for all your information sharing.

My prayers and thoughts are with Liana's daughter and her family.

For Michael--:razz::furious: :behindbar :behindbar :furious::razz:

[Alta]

Detective Campeau was quite clear, I thought, that it was because of decomposition , that made it necessary to use dental records. He also said she was not fully clothed. Doesn't sound burned to me.
Just thinking aloud, back off to my corner.

[Jess]

Alta

Sorry if it came off that way. I have been concentrating so hard on trying to get th einfo on here and I'm tired !!!
My apologies!!!

[SewingDeb]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

Are you on the jury, Sugar?

[spygirl]

Are you on the jury, Sugar?I don't think she knows where to find this thread SD, because it was moved from the LP forum, starting with her post.

[Casshew]

I don't think she knows where to find this thread SD, because it was moved from the LP forum, starting with her post.
This is not necessarily a bad thing :crazy:

[mysteriew]

Ok, Theory

a-hole is out and his truck breaks down. He calls Liana to come get him. She stops for gas or waves to a neighbor on her way (midnight witness). She picks him up. It is late, she is tired, maybe he was drinking or whatever. They argue and he hits her, killing her. He panics, carries her body to where she was found and drives her vehicle home. At home he is panicking. He needs an alibi. So he drives her vehicle to where it was found and stages what he thinks will look like a struggle. He then walks home and waits for a call about her not showing up for work. Instead, the witnesses start calling police first, re: the vehicle. He had already thought of his alibi- he was asleep when she left. So when police call, he gives him the rehearsed alibi, not knowing what time the witnesses called about the vehicle.
That would explain the second degree charge, as the murder occurred in the heat of the moment (during the argument). Indignty to a body was probably because he undressed her, if she was found in street wear, that would kill his alibi that she left for work as normal. He may not have thought that LE would notice a beatup old truck near the scene, as long as it wasn't right at the scene. Or maybe he was trying to think of a way to go back and get it, while they were searching for her- but didn't have a chance.

[SewingDeb]

I don't think she knows where to find this thread SD, because it was moved from the LP forum, starting with her post.

Thanks. I shouldn't have asked anyway. :)

[spygirl]

Ok, Theory

a-hole is out and his truck breaks down. He calls Liana to come get him. She stops for gas or waves to a neighbor on her way (midnight witness). She picks him up. It is late, she is tired, maybe he was drinking or whatever. They argue and he hits her, killing her. He panics, carries her body to where she was found and drives her vehicle home. At home he is panicking. He needs an alibi. So he drives her vehicle to where it was found and stages what he thinks will look like a struggle. He then walks home and waits for a call about her not showing up for work. Instead, the witnesses start calling police first, re: the vehicle. He had already thought of his alibi- he was asleep when she left. So when police call, he gives him the rehearsed alibi, not knowing what time the witnesses called about the vehicle.
That would explain the second degree charge, as the murder occurred in the heat of the moment (during the argument). Indignty to a body was probably because he undressed her, if she was found in street wear, that would kill his alibi that she left for work as normal. He may not have thought that LE would notice a beatup old truck near the scene, as long as it wasn't right at the scene. Or maybe he was trying to think of a way to go back and get it, while they were searching for her- but didn't have a chance.Look out, Anne Rule!

[Jess]

Ok, Theory

a-hole is out and his truck breaks down. He calls Liana to come get him. She stops for gas or waves to a neighbor on her way (midnight witness). She picks him up. It is late, she is tired, maybe he was drinking or whatever. They argue and he hits her, killing her. He panics, carries her body to where she was found and drives her vehicle home. At home he is panicking. He needs an alibi. So he drives her vehicle to where it was found and stages what he thinks will look like a struggle. He then walks home and waits for a call about her not showing up for work. Instead, the witnesses start calling police first, re: the vehicle. He had already thought of his alibi- he was asleep when she left. So when police call, he gives him the rehearsed alibi, not knowing what time the witnesses called about the vehicle.
That would explain the second degree charge, as the murder occurred in the heat of the moment (during the argument). Indignty to a body was probably because he undressed her, if she was found in street wear, that would kill his alibi that she left for work as normal. He may not have thought that LE would notice a beatup old truck near the scene, as long as it wasn't right at the scene. Or maybe he was trying to think of a way to go back and get it, while they were searching for her- but didn't have a chance.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Mabel]

Of course I don't know if your scenario is correct or not, mysteriew, but it sure ties all the pieces together in a logical way. It'll be interesting to find out how close you've come to the real story.

[Mabel]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

Sugar, where have you been? We spent so much time gathering the info you asked for on the Peterson thread but you forgot to come back. :waitasec:

[Casshew]

Of course I don't know if your scenario is correct or not, mysteriew, but it sure ties all the pieces together in a logical way. It'll be interesting to find out how close you've come to the real story.
I agree... it makes total sense.. like a movie of the week.

It is sad to think that if this scenario is close to what happened... Liana brought Ashley out with her to meet A-hole and was there when her Mom was killed. :(

[lauriej]

I am still puzzled by this too - it has to be something bigger than just moving the body-it has been suggested she was burned-if so that explains why she was so decomposed (or is a week enough to destroy all paths to cause of death)..
They know there were signs of a struggle but not when or how she died-doesnt make sense to me?
I suppose he could have beheaded her and the head is missing- if he were to have shot her..that type of thing-but we will have to wait and see- I hunch it will be sealed till the court proceedings begin.
...........i haven't read all of this thread and so may be repeating but......

...i saw the press conference...and he was quite clear in stating that the 2nd charge , "offering an indignity to a human body" was because the body had been moved to the field.......it is illegal to move a dead body anywhere.......

...also, he said dental records were used for a positive ID , due to decomp, ( therefore her head was still present )and that the cause of death was still unknown, ( for certain ) awaiting the m.e.'s assessment......

[adnoid]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty...I think Scott Peterson is innocent...

You contradict yourself.

[adnoid]

Okay.. that dream is scarier than me doing Cardoza

I hope you mean it's scarier than your DREAM of doing Cardoza.

[newtv]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.could we try to keep this about lianna -and not bring anything negative to the memory of laci-scott was found guilty-there are plenty of places to discuss him- this happens to be a thread about a woman killed in very much the same situation as laci.
This is not a place to support scott - (or any convicted wife and baby killers), The fact is he is guilty in the eyes of the law so thats what we know for sure. That is whats true-let Laci and Lori and now Liana rest in peace.

[newtv]

http://www.casshew.com/glare.gif


(LOL)
rofl- that is too funny cass- I really enjoy your humor-thanks for making me laugh from the belly tonight.

[newtv]

What I would really like to do is sit down with these guys and ask them "now seriously do you really think you were going to get away with this?"
When White said he was going to have his own search I said to my son watch this he is going to find the body. Could you get any dumber?
I feel so sorry for little Ashley what a lousy hand to be dealt.aint that the truth?

added- the only upside to this if u can call it that - is the little girl is still young and maybe with the love of the grandparents she has a chance at a happy life - she might not even remember her dad in 10 years.

[Bobbisangel]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.



It is innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW..... BUT we are not a part of the court or jury and so we can have whatever opinion we want to have whether we have all of the evidence or not.

[newtv]

:rolleyes: I know........it really just blows my mind that some idiot actually thought by changing it up a bit (not using water as a disposal site)........he looked less obvious. And just when he thought they weren't going to find her, he decided to move things along and point 'his' group in the right direction............:doh:

But this is Canada so he'll be looking at 5 years in a cushy resort for offing his wife and unborn child.......... (no offense to Canada):blowkiss:
It wont be that pretty- and it will be more like 10-14 years I would think- but I know what u are saying..its not like the hard time in SQ. Nice to see ya over here.

[Jovin]

True enough....

I wanted to point out the very rare references the Canadian media makes to Scott Peterson. We're just so isolated up here in the frigid north.

Alien-Daddy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Jovin43/Canadianhello.gif

I'm on the border, and mostly feel more American than Canadian (as far as my news coverage is concerned.) My closest tv stations are those in Buffalo, and Hamilton Ontario is the second closest. I rarely listen to Canadian news, and don't even get my local paper. (It sucks!)

So, I'm on the net, and on MSNBC, FOX NEWS, AND CNN (last resort) for my news. AND TRUST ME....IT'S ANYTHING BUT FRIGID WHERE I AM!! I'm sure you must be having similar temps, but haven't checked lately...we're in the high nineties most days with humidity on top of that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Jovin43/Jovineh2.jpg

[Bobbisangel]

I'm still confused about his truck. The way I understood it was that he drove his pickup while searching for Lianna. He was with the other searchers that came upon her body. 911 was called and when the LE came they arrested the husband and then put a tarp over his truck and towed it to police impound so that it could be searched. I didn't get the idea that he left his truck at the scene when he dumped her body.

I wonder if she met with someone before midnight or was just seen by someone else. I'm surprised that she was still up at midnight. She has to get up really early for work and then being 4 months pregnant you still get really tired.

I wonder where he murdered her. It sounds like the first time they went through the house they didn't notice anything out of order. But then they went back and really gave it the once over...spent a couple days didn't they?
That is when this creep stayed with his in-laws. It makes sense to me that the house is where the murder took place. He must not have shot her or used a knife because that would have been obvious. If they have been unable to tell without an autopsy then it must have been smothering or strangulation. The guy is a big thick guy and probably has hands like two hams. I'm glad that she put up a struggle. That way there is DNA under the fingernails and I'll bet he had some scratches somewhere on his body.

By her body not being fully clothed it says to me that he was staging another scene. There is no reason for her not to be clothed otherwise unless her clothing got torn during the struggle.

I wonder if we will ever know what actually happened....what started the fight and what made Michael think that his financial situation...if that was the problem.... would better itself if Lianna was dead? Did he mean to kill her or did a fight just get way out of hand? Questions questions.

[lauriej]

:rolleyes: I know........it really just blows my mind that some idiot actually thought by changing it up a bit (not using water as a disposal site)........he looked less obvious. And just when he thought they weren't going to find her, he decided to move things along and point 'his' group in the right direction............:doh:

But this is Canada so he'll be looking at 5 years in a cushy resort for offing his wife and unborn child.......... (no offense to Canada):blowkiss:The maximum penalties for murder are:


first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)
manslaughter - maximum life imprisonment
infanticide - maximum 5 years imprisonment
There is a clause where persons convicted of multiple murder, and deemed unable for rehabilitation, to be declared a 'dangerous offender' upon examination of doctors and psychiatrists (usually for sexually related murder). Persons declared as dangerous offenders have an undetermined prison sentence, although it usually means an increase of 10 years (possibly to 35 or more years).
.......i disagree with you on that one.........although we don't have SQ...or the DP.....we don't sentence our convicted murderers to 5 years at a "cushy resort"...

[txsvicki]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.


I hope you don't feel the same way about child molesters. Too many criminals literally get away with murder because of the slack laws in this country as it is. To me, since I'm not on a jury, getting arrested proves to me that there is guilt. Let the arrested person prove themself innocent. It's not like they will be promptly locked up or put to death for even first degree murder.

[lauriej]

I hope you don't feel the same way about child molesters. Too many criminals literally get away with murder because of the slack laws in this country as it is. To me, since I'm not on a jury, getting arrested proves to me that there is guilt. Let the arrested person prove themself innocent. It's not like they will be promptly locked up or put to death for even first degree murder.
........although.......since this began talking about sp...........i'm 110% convinced of his guilt.........may he rot in SQ...

...to me, 'getting arrested' doesn't prove guilt in the least.........it only means that LE has some cause for arrest/further questioning.............personally i'm thankful that we've evolved to a day where it's "innocent until proven guilty"............if all persons arested had to prove themselves innocent............i cannot imagine......

...is michael white guilty? from what we've heard..........looks like it........

...is everyone who has ever been arrested guilty ? i personally doubt it.........just looking at the number of convicted people who have been released based on new dna evidence...

...LE are just people as we are...........they're right...they're wrong...the way i see it, it has to be innocent until there's absolute proof...

[cosmos33]

I'm still confused about his truck .... I didn't get the idea that he left his truck at the scene when he dumped her body....
I think you are right about that bobbisangel. Though it's hard to know for certain how accurate the news postings are, here's one from yesterday (Tuesday's) Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050719.wxmissing19/BNStory/National/

that states "There are outstanding liens on their two vehicles, a 1991 Chevrolet GMT-400 and the 1991 Ford Explorer."

If this is accurate I don't believe they had more than one vehicle each. Otherwise I think it would have said "... on two of their vehicles".

[newtv]

Perhaps this will help Scott's fans to see the truth. Men do kill their pregnant wives, and for very little reason.


Nah.........
hi mabel- for sure- I am so unsympathetic to those who dont see them as guilty even after convicted.

[lauriej]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories

Detective Michael Campeau told a Tuesday afternoon news conference that the body was decomposing, thus there is a delay in determining cause of death. But he said there were signs on her body of a violent struggle before she died.
Earlier Tuesday, Michael White appeared in court and reserved plea on charges of second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

The second charge was laid, Campeau said, because the body was "found in a rural area, disposed of improperly."

[newtv]

I am proud to be a Canadian and for the most part I am proud of our justice system. It works most of the time and laws cannot be written for extremes alone. The only way anyone is safe from persecution is if we all start out with the same freedoms.

I love my American cousins but I am proud we maintain our distinct cultural differences. I remain loyal to my country and government even in the bad times, not just when everything works smoothly. I choose to put my Country and its values first. If the rest of the world doesnt like it, I dont apologise for canada.

Every country has its own ways of being in the global world. We are doing something right because we continue to win top honors as a country to live in. We are warmly welcomed almost everywhere, (less so in the USA since the war in Iraq-which I am proud we stayed out of). I am no less patriotic than anyone else in the world and I will never put my country down for being the civilized Nation it is.

Everyone has a chance here and sadly there is a dark side to all democratic justice systems. I agree to tighten the laws on murderers, sex offenders, and all evil, but I know we need to do that by pulling together not putting our country down for the fallout effect of its Civility.

Over the past few years, I have come to appreciate Canada even more than I already did. If I ever happen to be killed because of our freedoms, I will know that I was unlucky and killed not because of our Civiility, but in spite of it.

I dont want to be a country that makes its laws based on what any other nation is doing. I want our laws made for us and I will stand by my Country when things dont work out the best way in a particular situation.

Everyday I pinch myself to be sure I am not just dreaming that I live in Canada.

[newtv]

Dramatic story line all too familiar (53 minutes ago this was posted on the news) about 1:25am july 20

By TU THANH HA

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 Page A8 (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/hubsv3/tgamHub?searchText=page%3DA8+and+sortdate%3D200507 20&searchDateType=searchDateRange&sort=Score%2Csortdate%2Csorttime&hub=SearchAdvanced&searchType=Advanced&from_date=20050720&to_date=20050720)

With a report from Katherine Harding




http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050720/MISSINGSIDE20/TPNational/Canada

[poco]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

Humpf!!! :waitasec: Would someone explain to me who this Scott Peterson guy is that everyone is talking about???? :waitasec:

[Gabby]

Humpf!!! :waitasec: Would someone explain to me who this Scott Peterson guy is that everyone is talking about???? :waitasec:



:eek: He's the cad who gave Cassie the instructions on how to kidnap your Cat!" :innocent:

[Casshew]

:eek: He's the cad who gave Cassie the instructions on how to kidnap your Cat!" :innocent:
Truth be told... her cat ran away and asked that I stage the kidnapping :D

[Gabby]

Truth be told... her cat ran away and asked that I stage the kidnapping :D

:silenced:

shhhhhhhhh let's blame it on Scott and give him something else to deny deny deny...and it will be the TRUTH this time

:silenced: :silenced: :silenced:

[Jovin]

Truth be told... her cat ran away and asked that I stage the kidnapping :D

Cass, next time he "runs away," head him down here to me...I'M CAT-LESS!

I can take him SURFING...... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Jovin43/surferkitty.gif He can even have some friends in to "catnap" with him. http://tinypic.com/96et8p.jpg

[karmarama]

Here is the latest and time line,


I did not have time to read every post, hope I am not repeating anything.


EDMONTON (CP) - Liana White's body was too decomposed for the medical examiner to determine how she died, Edmonton police said Tuesday.

The partially clothed body of the pregnant 29-year-old hospital clerk was found in a ditch by a farmer's field Sunday, five days after she was reported missing. Her husband Michael White has been charged with second-degree murder. White is also charged with committing an indignity to a dead body.

"It was in a state of decomposition hence the undetermined cause of death," Det. Michael Campeau announced at a news conference.

He wouldn't comment on whether White was stabbed or strangled but did say, "There are signs on the body she was involved in a struggle."

When asked about a motive, the veteran detective would only say, "We are still working on that. There are still many leads to follow up on."

The comments came only hours after an exhausted-looking Michael White made his first court appearance where he reserved plea on the charges against him.

White closed his eyes and winced as the charges were read out.

Outside court, his lawyer, Larry Anderson, was tight-lipped.

"We are anxious to answer these allegations," said Anderson, a former president of the Law Society of Alberta.

"The matter has simply been put over for a few weeks so they can find a prosecutor and then we can get enough information so we can begin formulating our defence."

White showed little emotion as he scanned the courtroom while the charges were read. His next court appearance is July 26.

Campeau said the families of both Michael and Liana have been devastated by the developments. Their daughter, Ashley, 3, was believed to be in the custody of Liana's mother, he said.

"It's not a victory for the police service. It's just a tragic day for two families. We're not here to celebrate anything. Unfortunately it's a tragedy for both sets of families. Liana's mom is not doing well at all."

Campeau said he felt especially sorry for little Ashley.

"I do. She's lost both her mom and dad."

Liana White's Ford Explorer was found abandoned just blocks from her home with her purse, shoes and cellphone scattered nearby.

Nothing appeared to have been taken, nor were there any signs of a struggle.

After days of fruitless searching by police, the body was discovered by a crew of volunteers, including White.

Earlier that day he said his nights since Liana's disappearance alternated between nightmares and sleeplessness.

"If they're thinking it was the husband, forget the husband. Let's find my wife," he told a reporter, adding that he feared the worst.

"I want people to know she was an outstanding person who contributed to the community," he said. "There's no reason why this should have happened."

Neighbours and co-workers of the Whites were in shock, describing the couple as normal people who held barbecues, worked on fixing up their house and helped out their friends.

The manager of the truck repair shop where White worked for almost three years said he just can't believe his friend and colleague had been charged with murder.

Some of the other employees at the shop helped White search for his wife.

"We're all in shock and awe. I wouldn't have seen it coming for a million years," said Rob Hansen, who added he had spent time socially with the couple.

"We all thought he was a very solid person, which makes us very distraught. She was always smiling and happy. This has hit everybody like a ton of bricks."

Another colleague, Aaron Coulter, said he still can't believe his friend is in jail charged with murder.

He remembered White occasionally bringing his wife around the truck repair shop.

"We never would have expected anything from him like this. He was an 'everybody's best friend' kind of guy. He would do anything for you. Stick around late to help you," Coulter said.

"They always got along great as far as I could see. He was a good family man."

Michael and Liana White met at a nightclub in 1998, not long after she moved to Edmonton from Kelowna, B.C., and while he was still working in the Canadian military.

They had a small wedding in 2000, and a year later, welcomed a daughter. The couple sometimes spoke of returning to his hometown of Mar, Ont.

Published reports say the couple were heavily in debt, with liens on two vehicles and a $166,000 mortgage on a $170,000 house. Campeau wouldn't comment on the couple's finances, saying it was part of the continuing investigation.

The fact that Liana was four months pregnant has prompted chilling comparisons to Scott Peterson, a California man convicted of killing his wife, Laci, and their unborn child.

Campeau said police could charge White only in the mother's death.

"Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby," he said.

The charge of committing an indignity to a dead body was laid because White's body was disposed of improperly.

Events leading to the arrest of Michael White, charged with second-degree murder in the death of his wife, Liana:

July 12 - Just before 7:30 a.m., a passerby reports to police that Liana White's brown 1991 Ford Explorer is in a north-side parking lot near her home. The driver's-side door is open and her belongings are strewn nearby, but there is no sign of a struggle. Her wallet is missing. Michael White says he last saw Liana at 6:15 a.m., when she left for work, dressed in her green medical scrubs, to her hospital clerking job. Police search the surrounding area with no luck. After Liana White's disappearance is publicized, two witnesses come forward to say they saw the SUV in the parking lot before 6:15 a.m.

July 13 - Michael White, in a TV interview, makes a tearful public appeal: "If whoever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."

July 14 - Police continue the search, but say they do not have evidence a crime has been committed. White tells reporters he is frustrated and plans to start searching for her himself. "My sorrow has now become anger," he says.

July 15 - Police announce they will broaden their search the following day with search and rescue teams with dogs in the fields and bush north of the Whites' home. White is reinterviewed by police and, along with family and friends, begins his own search.

July 16 - Police search the White home a second time, saying it's routine.

July 17 - Michael White responds to speculation he was involved in Liana's disappearance, telling a reporter: "If they're thinking it was the husband, forget the husband. Let's find my wife." He says he was thrilled when he learned she was pregnant with their second child and says he may have been wrong about the time she left that fateful morning. Around 5 p.m., his search team, looking in a different area from the police search, reports a body in a ditch by a farmer's field on the city's northeast outskirts. Police refuse to release details on the body and seize White's truck.

July 18 - Police charge White with second-degree murder and indignity to a dead body, but still do not officially identify the corpse found by the search team.

July 19 - A week after his wife disappeared, Michael White, shackled and in prison overalls, is haggard and impassive as he formally appears in provincial court to answer the charges. He reserves plea and is remanded in custody until his next appearance on July 26.

source: http://www.630ched.com/news/news.cfm?dir=national&file=n071945A&n=1 (http://www.630ched.com/news/news.cfm?dir=national&file=n071945A&n=1)
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[joanofarc]

Isn't this statement of Mike's revealing...??

I wonder if the couple had a huge argument and he beat up her badly. Maybe that was why the body decomposition was so bad...he beat her to a pulp...might explain why it was so hard to identify her....

Also, he may be revealing in this statement that he "took advantage" of his wife....she was probably the mainstay of the marriage...as he obviously messed up big time in the military....she probably worked REALLY hard to try to get themselves out of their mess and he did not try hard enough or not at all...seems like he is the "couch potato" type to me....IMO

AND the last statement: How eerily similar to SP's "late at night, and early morning" statements....creepy



"My worst fear is that they took advantage of her and maybe still are," he said. "There's (only) so much a body can take and the mind as well."

"These are the nightmares I have every night - if I do sleep."


http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/18/1136674-sun.html

[poco]

Isn't this statement of Mike's revealing...??

I wonder if the couple had a huge argument and he beat up her badly. Maybe that was why the body decomposition was so bad...he beat her to a pulp...might explain why it was so hard to identify her....



Humpf, I wonder where the babysitter was while this was all going on???

[packerdog]

I think the LE working on the case is doing a fine job. They keep alot of things to themselves including the search of the house and letting him talk to the press. They were right on him.

[joanofarc]

Humpf, I wonder where the babysitter was while this was all going on???Well if Liana was seen just before midnight and "missing" by the next morning we know that it must have happened sometime after midnight....perhaps the little one was asleep...and he either left her alone while he drove the body 4-5 miles away or he took her along(which I doubt).

Poor, little sweet baby...how sad :( .

[Daisy]

With the latest revelations about the White's financial situation, I'm guesstimating that money was behind all this. I'm wondering if he felt overwhelmed by the huge debts they had and the fact that they were expecting child #2. I'm also wondering just how "thrilled" he really was at the prospect of having yet another child to feed and care for. Expenses just kept mounting up. They may have had an argument that night about money and he blew up at her, blaming her for getting pregnant again (although it takes two to tango) and therefore putting them in even more dire financial straits. I think this guy snapped under stress that had been building up for who knows how long. Is this a condonable reason to kill your wife and unborn child? Absolutely not! Bankruptcy and/or credit counseling is always an option as opposed to murder!!!

Just speculating...which is all we can do at this point.

Thanks to all our Canadian friends for keeping us updated on this! It's very much appreciated!

[Mabel]

..........<snip>........... what made Michael think that his financial situation...if that was the problem.... would better itself if Lianna was dead? Did he mean to kill her or did a fight just get way out of hand? Questions questions.

Life insurance maybe, if there is any? Is it common in Canada to have liens on 15 year old vehicles? It's about impossible to get a loan for a car that old in the states, except through very shady dealers.

[joanofarc]

Life insurance maybe, if there is any? Is it common in Canada to have liens on 15 year old vehicles? It's about impossible to get a loan for a car that old in the states, except through very shady dealers.Sounds like creditors were after them...the credit companies weren't getting their actual money/payments so they put restrictions on the White's personal assets ....

I read Mike owed the gov't $34,000 for some type of car accident he had on the military base...In Canada if you owe money to the gov't and don't pay...they will eventually take over your assets or garnish any "wages" earned in order to recoup the money that is owed.....

[angarella]

I am still interested in exactly who saw Lianna around midnight. Did she go somewhere to meet somebody and possibly confide in somebody? (maybe about her troubled marriage and/or financial problems?). And maybe it really pissed huuby off that she was "exposing" their problems to whomever and he went off in rage and killed her?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

[newtv]

Life insurance maybe, if there is any? Is it common in Canada to have liens on 15 year old vehicles? It's about impossible to get a loan for a car that old in the states, except through very shady dealers.
I suppose its possible to have a lien on older vehicles if they are factored into your total assets when you apply for a loan on something bigger-such as the house. The liens may be a result of putting up collateral for the house.
Normally in Canada nothing can be that old and used to get a loan by itself-nor will banks give you money for older vehicles if they are of no value..there are ways thing become part of a lien process if they were listed as contributing to the total value of another loan.

[Alta]

I apologize if this has already been posted.Apparently in 1998 he was in a bad accident where he was sued and owed over $38,000 in damages.The story tells how their home was heavily mortgaged and the vehicles etc..Here is a link to the story in The National Post today.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a7446f13-20bc-4794-b326-966cb567ff9c

[spygirl]

I think the LE working on the case is doing a fine job. They keep alot of things to themselves including the search of the house and letting him talk to the press. They were right on him.I also think that LE did a very commendable job.

:clap:

[Daisy]

I also think that LE did a very commendable job.

:clap:
So do I. :clap:

[joanofarc]

Confirmation the truck was at the site where the body was found....

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a7446f13-20bc-4794-b326-966cb567ff9c&page=2

Ms. White used to drive the Explorer to work. Mr. White drove the Chevy truck. Yesterday, Det. Campeau revealed the vehicle was impounded from the precise area where Ms. White's body had been dumped. One more bizarre twist in a terrible story.

[spygirl]

Newtv, I really liked your "Canadian pride" post (may I call it that?). I appreciate how Canada remains a neutral country when it comes to world-affairs.

As an American, it will be difficult to follow this case, knowing in the end, all Michael will get is what would be considered by most Americans as a slap on the wrist. So, I hope that no one is offended when an American poster expresses angst over this (we know it's bound to happen time and again). It's nothing personal. It's just disgusting that this man will be walking the streets around the time I become eligible for my first AARP card (it's like a senior discount program). The penalties should be so much tougher.

I'm grateful having grown up so close to the Canadian border (Detroit). When I was younger, I would go club-hopping in Windsor with friends (the drinking age being 19 there). I was in line the day Windsor Casino first opened (can't believe it's been about 13 years). The Chinese restaurants over there are awesome, and I have watched Detroit fireworks from your side of the river. Working in EMS, I have transported patients to and from Canada. I always smile when I think of the hospital's name in Windsor, "Hotel Dieu". It's always been a nice place to visit, and the people are super-friendly. It's a far cry from Detroit, and that speaks volumes.

Keeping up with this case is very enjoyable, just to "listen" to you Canadian gals chat. You're all so friendly and polite to one another. I look forward to learning more about your customs and culture.

;)

ETA: I am also 25% French-Canadian. My Dad's Mother was 100%. I never learned much about the culture; my Grandmother lived in northern Michigan when I was a child, and I only saw her for a couple of weeks out of the year.

[newtv]

Newtv, I really liked your "Canadian pride" post (may I call it that?). I appreciate how Canada remains a neutral country when it comes to world-affairs.

As an American, it will be difficult to follow this case, knowing in the end, all Michael will get is what would be considered by most Americans as a slap on the wrist. So, I hope that no one is offended when an American poster expresses angst over this (we know it's bound to happen time and again). It's nothing personal. It's just disgusting that this man will be walking the streets around the time I become eligible for my first AARP card (it's like a senior discount program). The penalties should be so much tougher.

I'm grateful having grown up so close to the Canadian border (Detroit). When I was younger, I would go club-hopping in Windsor with friends (the drinking age being 19 there). I was in line the day Windsor Casino first opened (can't believe it's been about 13 years). The Chinese restaurants over there are awesome, and I have watched Detroit fireworks from your side of the river. Working in EMS, I have transported patients to and from Canada. I always smile when I think of the hospital's name in Windsor, "Hotel Dieu". It's always been a nice place to visit, and the people are super-friendly. It's a far cry from Detroit, and that speaks volumes.

Keeping up with this case is very enjoyable, just to "listen" to you Canadian gals chat. You're all so friendly and polite to one another. I look forward to learning more about your customs and culture.

;)

ETA: I am also 25% French-Canadian. My Dad's Mother was 100%. I never learned much about the culture; my Grandmother lived in northern Michigan when I was a child, and I only saw her for a couple of weeks out of the year.hey spygirl, my post was triggered by reading my canadian counterparts threads primarily, (only a select few and not one in particular), however to correct your perception of knowing the outcome..it is possible he will get 30 years..canada does punish people severly who break the law-the difference is we do not have the DP..and in any second degree murder charge in the states would it not be the same? Is the DP given for second degree murder?
I am not sure where you are getting the notion that 10-30 years is but a slap on the wrist-its still significant time and jail is no picnic-its only cause our population is so much smaller that we dont have the same jail conditions as say SQ.
Our jails are not pretty and they are not fun-jail is jail anywhere..but I would rather be in jail in canada or the states for that matter then in Iraq for example.
I mean we are still very similar to the states, but what wont happen in canada is that a guy who has stolen a tv when he was 21 wont still be in jail at 60..and in the states there are examples where this is the case. (I know of examples even still where this is the case in the states).
I refer mainly to my canadian sisters and brothers - I understand other countries not understanding us or suggesting we are too this or that. I dont think canadians should forget how lucky we are.
So, that was where I was coming from- just my reaction to a few select posts (not most).
It triggers this in me because I know how privileged I am.
We dont stay neutral in things so much as we wont occupy without consent. Right now -just yesterday- our troops left for a very serious high risk-lives lost- stint in Afghanastan. We are right there for the fight against terror that is sanctioned by the UN.

Anyhow-it isnt easy to dispell myths about ones country in a paragraph and I doubt it changes minds anyhow-so I wont write anymore as the thoughts came up in relation to comments about our laws on this thread so I felt it was appropriate.
However, I dont want to trigger an onslaught of defensiveness either. I respect differences and that means I respect what others do as much as I respect what we do right here in canada.

this article was put out 5 hours ago so its likely been posted- I cant keep track when we have lots of differnt media links posted.. I had not seen this title before..

Liana White was in struggle before she was killed

http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-white-homicide20050720

PS- I was raised in a border town, (michigan was the border state-both named s.s. marie US and in canada), before coming to vancouver. I never even thought we were differnt-and of course I still think we are similar. Americans have been part of my life from the get go..I would do anything legal for my US counterparts. Fight for your safety-whatever. I feel related and very similar.
(and I have especially enjoyed you on this thread).

[spygirl]

Well, mostly I don't understand the 2nd degree charge. But it isn't really the time to make assumptions on that due to lack of further info. Liana showed signs of a struggle and her body was dumped.

Sure, I suppose that kind of evidence could bring on a 2nd degree charge here, but I seriously doubt it. There would have to be pretty good evidence to justify 2nd degree. But, we still don't know all the circumstances with what happened to Liana.

Actually, in Michigan the laws with regard to time served and the DP are very similar to Canada. We don't have the DP, and chances are pretty good that a murderer will be paroled. Having lived here all of my life, that may be why I'm somewhat divided on the DP issue.

But no matter where a murderer kills someone in cold blood, male or female, I don't think that person should ever have the privilege of walking amongst society ever again. No appeals either. I don't care where it is.

I read on one of Liana's threads someone mention "rehabilitation". Does Canada have a program like that established within the prison system?

[Casshew]

Radio listeners complain after joke regarding case of murdered mom

A radio host apologized on the air Wednesday after listeners complained about a joke he made regarding the murder of a pregnant Edmonton woman. Jill Veenendaal said she heard Rock 106 host Fraser Tuff talk about the Liana White case and say that it is getting so hard these days to get a divorce it is almost easier to kill your wife.

The comments made her so angry she phoned the station, launched an e-mail campaign with some friends and filed complaints with broadcast industry regulators.

``I was disgusted and appalled,'' said Veenendaal, 24, a University of Lethbridge research assistant. ``A misogynistic comment like that is completely inappropriate.''

Liana White's body was found Sunday. Her husband has been charged with second-degree murder in her death.

Rock 106 station manager Terry Voth said the comment by the host was unacceptable and he personally apologized to Veenendaal.

Tuff also called her to say he was sorry. He then went on the air Wednesday morning to make a public apology.


http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=3af4c817-9e1f-4d15-a9b3-d2e9e34ce1e9

[Jess]

Global Edmonton 5 pm news

Friends are setting up a public trust fund for Ashley.
Medical Examiner's office is waiting for toxicology reports which could take up to several MONTHS.

[Casshew]

Police Officer Laments Inability to Charge in Death of Unborn Baby - Canada's Laci Peterson

The public eye in Canada has, for the last week, been trained steadily on a murder case unfolding in a quiet Edmonton suburb. A young pregnant mother, Liana White, went missing last Monday and her partially decomposed body was found the following Sunday by a group of volunteer searchers including her husband, Michael White. Mrs. White was four months pregnant at the time of her death.

Michael White had been cooperating with police in the investigation and neighbours were shocked when charges of second-degree murder were laid against him the day after Mrs. White's body was found.

Some journalists covering the case have briefly quoted investigating Detective, Michael Campeau, who said, "Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby." The writer of the Calgary Herald story, among others, made the comparison with the Laci Peterson case. In 2002, Californian Scott Peterson killed his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son who was posthumously named Conner. The US cause celebre resulted in the passage of the federal unborn victims of violence act that recognized both the existence of the child before birth and his legal rights.

The newspaper stories about the case have been unusual in that mention is often being made that not only Liana but her unborn child was killed as well.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072007.html

[karmarama]

ETA: I am also 25% French-Canadian. My Dad's Mother was 100%. I never learned much about the culture; my Grandmother lived in northern Michigan when I was a child, and I only saw her for a couple of weeks out of the year.

Cool! I am 100% french Canadian :) do you speak it at all?

I was born and raised in Montreal, Now I live in Castledowns which is pretty much in Edmonton.

There are some great people here on this board :)

[PrayersForMaura]

Police Officer Laments Inability to Charge in Death of Unborn Baby - Canada's Laci Peterson

The public eye in Canada has, for the last week, been trained steadily on a murder case unfolding in a quiet Edmonton suburb. A young pregnant mother, Liana White, went missing last Monday and her partially decomposed body was found the following Sunday by a group of volunteer searchers including her husband, Michael White. Mrs. White was four months pregnant at the time of her death.

Michael White had been cooperating with police in the investigation and neighbours were shocked when charges of second-degree murder were laid against him the day after Mrs. White's body was found.

Some journalists covering the case have briefly quoted investigating Detective, Michael Campeau, who said, "Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby." The writer of the Calgary Herald story, among others, made the comparison with the Laci Peterson case. In 2002, Californian Scott Peterson killed his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son who was posthumously named Conner. The US cause celebre resulted in the passage of the federal unborn victims of violence act that recognized both the existence of the child before birth and his legal rights.

The newspaper stories about the case have been unusual in that mention is often being made that not only Liana but her unborn child was killed as well.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072007.html

I am so sad for Lianna and her unborn baby but am at least somewhat relieved to know that the unborn baby's life is now being lamented and discussed.
The unborn baby is living and breathing and growing inside of his or her mother everyday and should never be discounted as anything less than human, and I am glad that the US recognizes this and hope Canada and other countries follow suit.

Thank goodness for all the good people like Sharon Rocha who worked hard to help get such a law recognized and passed in the US regarding the rights for the unborn baby.

[newtv]

Well, mostly I don't understand the 2nd degree charge. But it isn't really the time to make assumptions on that due to lack of further info. Liana showed signs of a struggle and her body was dumped.

Sure, I suppose that kind of evidence could bring on a 2nd degree charge here, but I seriously doubt it. There would have to be pretty good evidence to justify 2nd degree. But, we still don't know all the circumstances with what happened to Liana.

Actually, in Michigan the laws with regard to time served and the DP are very similar to Canada. We don't have the DP, and chances are pretty good that a murderer will be paroled. Having lived here all of my life, that may be why I'm somewhat divided on the DP issue.

But no matter where a murderer kills someone in cold blood, male or female, I don't think that person should ever have the privilege of walking amongst society ever again. No appeals either. I don't care where it is.

I read on one of Liana's threads someone mention "rehabilitation". Does Canada have a program like that established within the prison system?yes- I assume we have that type of thing..but people are people and I doubt our programs work any better than yours...things work for some folks and not for others..people can get an education..and we dont have death row so that means noone is denied privileges that would be denied those on death row..we have monsters who wonr ever get out too-because they are dangerous offenders-but they dont get the DP- and for those I could agree to it- but then we get into the whole where is the line drawn thing"..but more over its against our basic values- or the majority of canadians..its a philosophy..but I really think sex offenders - crimes against children involving sex of any sort - violent offenders should die-but that is not going to happen.

On a happier note- canada passed its same sex marriage law through the senate and now its just a formailty to be signed by the prime minister (President).
Anyhow I think its an example of our civility and diversity.
I am gay so I dont really say alot about such things because people then assume its personal. I would want this for canadians even if I was not gay.
Its the straight people in the world who defend gays that matters most..because people listen more.
Same as when a man protects a woman against discrimination-if he says it is discrimination people listen. If a woman says it she is a b...ch.
Adults who stand up for children are listened to but children are not..there is an impact when you are outside the group you are supporting.

Anyhow- its just an example of why I pinch myself everyday to be sure I am not dreaming that i live here in canada. I feel that way about all the major social issues.
Now I just have to find someone to marry..laughing..I do not want to be married. (been there)

[concernedperson]

I am not gay but a lot of my friends are. I support humanity at all costs. I also support the death penalty....particularly for violent sex offenders.And children are the most importent people on earth.

[newtv]

I am not gay but a lot of my friends are. I support humanity at all costs. I also support the death penalty....particularly for violent sex offenders.And children are the most importent people on earth.I agree that both positions can and do exist at the same time.

[mysteriew]

Police Officer Laments Inability to Charge in Death of Unborn Baby - Canada's Laci Peterson

The public eye in Canada has, for the last week, been trained steadily on a murder case unfolding in a quiet Edmonton suburb. A young pregnant mother, Liana White, went missing last Monday and her partially decomposed body was found the following Sunday by a group of volunteer searchers including her husband, Michael White. Mrs. White was four months pregnant at the time of her death.

Michael White had been cooperating with police in the investigation and neighbours were shocked when charges of second-degree murder were laid against him the day after Mrs. White's body was found.

Some journalists covering the case have briefly quoted investigating Detective, Michael Campeau, who said, "Unfortunately, in Canada you can't charge a person with the death of an unborn baby." The writer of the Calgary Herald story, among others, made the comparison with the Laci Peterson case. In 2002, Californian Scott Peterson killed his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son who was posthumously named Conner. The US cause celebre resulted in the passage of the federal unborn victims of violence act that recognized both the existence of the child before birth and his legal rights.

The newspaper stories about the case have been unusual in that mention is often being made that not only Liana but her unborn child was killed as well.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072007.html

It sounds as though Canada may be gearing up to pass a law for the unborn child. If it is normally not mentioned in the media that a person was pregnant, then suddenly they begin mentioning it, that may be indicative of a behind the scenes push to get public support for such a law.

[newtv]

It sounds as though Canada may be gearing up to pass a law for the unborn child. If it is normally not mentioned in the media that a person was pregnant, then suddenly they begin mentioning it, that may be indicative of a behind the scenes push to get public support for such a law.Well in this case it would have to be part of it since being 4 months pregnant could be part of what sent her missing...I dont agree that its not mentioned-not sure why he said that ..anyhow-it seems to me there should be a law to charge people who kill pregnant women if not with 2 murders then special curcumstances.
The thing they have to protect is making sure women who abort their fetuss dont get charged with murder.
If it happens to a woman by anyone but herself I agree.(meaning by a qualified doctor-knowing all the variables).

[concernedperson]

I agree that both positions can and do exist at the same time.
Have I told you lately that I love you! You are the best with one of the biggest hearts on earth. :)

[Bobbisangel]

NewTV...this is OT but I am curious...will Americans be able to go to Canada and get married once that law passes? I'm not gay but know that the law will probably never pass here.

[spygirl]

Cool! I am 100% french Canadian :) do you speak it at all?

I was born and raised in Montreal, Now I live in Castledowns which is pretty much in Edmonton.

There are some great people here on this board :)Comment allez vous?

I started teaching myself French when I was very young, but at the moment, that's the only line I can remember!

I agree Karma; there are some great people at WS.

;)

[spygirl]

It sounds as though Canada may be gearing up to pass a law for the unborn child. If it is normally not mentioned in the media that a person was pregnant, then suddenly they begin mentioning it, that may be indicative of a behind the scenes push to get public support for such a law.That would be a very good thing to see happen.

[cosmos33]

In discussing this case and the possible scenarios that may have led to Liana's murder today, my friend asked me why we (at least in Canada) have a more lenient approach to crimes of passion. His view is that if a crime, in this case murder, has been committed, regardless of whether passion, drugs, alcohol, or mental illness fuelled the crime it should not be treated any differently than if none of these (or similar factors) were at issue when the crime was committed.

Leaving mental illness out of the equation - as that is such a loaded variable - what are the different ideas others of you have on this subject? :twocents:

He actually gave me a true example of two cases, tried by the same judge - here in Canada - where the following occurred:

Case #1 - 17 or 18 yr old who had spent years seeing his step-father physically abuse his mother, and siblings. Came home one day and the step-father was drunk and beating his mother to a pulp. He got up, left, came back with a rifle and shot him. Sentence? Life with no chance of parole for about 15 yrs.

Case #2 - adult male. Comes home and finds his wife in bed with another man. Goes out, gets a gun and comes back and kills the other man. Sentence? One year.

What are your thoughts on this?
Cosmos from Canada

[spygirl]

yes- I assume we have that type of thing..but people are people and I doubt our programs work any better than yours...things work for some folks and not for others..people can get an education..Yep.... sounds pretty much like what we have with regard to rehab in prisons. But, since that doesn't work to keep men from murdering their pregnant wives, maybe the SP example will help some. Thanks for your response.

On a happier note- canada passed its same sex marriage law through the senate and now its just a formailty to be signed by the prime minister (President).Well, congratulations on that, I guess. I must admit, it's an issue that doesn't affect my life in particular. I wouldn't protest gay marriage though; I have known and worked with many wonderful gay people. They're as sensitive and as human as anyone else.

[cosmos33]

Yes, there have been many American couples who have come up to Canada to get married in those provinces - for e.g. B.C. and Toronto - which do not discriminate. Now that civil marriage has become a federal law perhaps more provinces will welcome non-Canadians wishing a civil marriage.

[CaribouKid]

From what I have gathered, aside from some of the stolen property belonging to the crown
it was also related to private property,ie: most likely his fellow soldiers as he was being charged by the military and not local Law Enforcement. Being, been in the military, I can tell you someone who steals from a fellow soldier is the lowest in my books.

He knew exactly what he was doing, with regards to locating her, it was all a ploy to
make it appear to be the work of a local Serial Killer who regularly disposes of bodies near
farmers' fields.

The first time this looser, spoke on tv, it struck me odd the confidence he expressed,
when he stated he would find her, "...I will find you". Immediately after that moment, I had said to my better half, "he will find her, but she will be dead". Sadly, this transpired.


Last week, Michael White Brothers set the seed, when he spoke on tv, asking for area farmers, to have a lookout. Obviously good ole michael was indirectly speaking here.
http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=6341b822-337f-4d6a-be61-4c30e92c7be6

I feel the indignity to the body is possibly due to him staging her in a sexual position, as she was partially clothed, which in his mind would have appeared to be the workings of this local serial killer, thus, taking the spotlight off of White.

This didnt work, as by this time, the LEO's had enough to arrest him.
The search warrant was then executed on his vehicle.

The cops let him use his vehicle,so not to arouse suspicion and seize it from him earlier, but apparently evidence at the house which was obatained Saturday, was possibly a leading factor in the arrest also.

I believe some of the motivation here, is money,
He definately holds a record of financial difficulties and for someone who appears to have worked a fair percentage of their working life, including teen years, that maybe good ole Michael had some sort of substance issues.

In 1998 he had a head end vehicle accident with a couple and was later sued for $36000.
Amazingly the wife in the vehicle was a collections officer.



I am also wondering if he took the day off of work on the day, she went missing.
?? Taking the day off in advance or calling in sick, before he even knew she was missing, as it appears that he got a call from the police around approx 830-930am.
In one article, a neighbour confirms. that LEO arrived at the house , and then White was seen outside sobbing. This leads me to believe, he did not work that day.

fft

[newtv]

Have I told you lately that I love you! You are the best with one of the biggest hearts on earth. :)wowoowowo-that makes my day..thx sooo much..:) big hug and you know i have always been your biggest fan-always no matter-u are a very special woman and I admire what you have lived thru..love to u too.

[newtv]

Yep.... sounds pretty much like what we have with regard to rehab in prisons. But, since that doesn't work to keep men from murdering their pregnant wives, maybe the SP example will help some. Thanks for your response.

Well, congratulations on that, I guess. I must admit, it's an issue that doesn't affect my life in particular. I wouldn't protest gay marriage though; I have known and worked with many wonderful gay people. They're as sensitive and as human as anyone else.
I must admit, it's an issue that doesn't affect my life in particular.

Oh darn! My Loss..
(j/playing).

[newtv]

Yes, there have been many American couples who have come up to Canada to get married in those provinces - for e.g. B.C. and Toronto - which do not discriminate. Now that civil marriage has become a federal law perhaps more provinces will welcome non-Canadians wishing a civil marriage.
I think they will-its not so much that they are opposed as they would rather not say they are ok with it-its about votes-once they are told its illegal not to marry same sex couples..they will just say it wasnt their doing..and there is a good dollar to be made in marrying people from other countries..so they will catch on.

[spygirl]

[b]Oh darn! My Loss..
(j/playing).Not really. I ain't all that.

;)

[mysteriew]

Liana White appeared to have been involved in a struggle before her death, but how she died is still undetermined, police said Tuesday.

Lead investigator Det. Michael Campeau confirmed that the body found along a rural road Sunday was the 29-year-old pregnant woman, who had been missing since July 12.

"It's not a victory for the police service. It's a tragic day for two families," Campeau said. "Liana's mom is not doing very well."

Campeau said Liana White's body was "in a state of decomposition," which made the task of determining how she died more difficult, although marks on the body indicate there had been a struggle. She was identified through dental records.

The medical examiner will conduct further tests to pin down the cause of death.

Campeau said White had some clothing on when she was found, "but not very much."
http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-white-homicide20050720
He would not comment on where police believe she was killed. Campeau also said that a vehicle towed Sunday night from the area where the body was found – and where White had been searching – was the husband's pickup truck, which police had earlier obtained a search warrant for.

[mysteriew]

Why was the woman who seemed like a happy wife and mother killed?

"We are still working on that," Detective Michael Campeau told reporters yesterday, a day after Mrs. White's husband was charged in her death. Det. Campeau added that the pregnant woman's slaying wasn't premeditated and police had never been called to the Whites' home before last week.

Yesterday, Mr. White made a brief court appearance in a blue jumpsuit and shackles, but isn't expected to enter a plea until July 26. He appeared overwhelmed and exhausted as he looked out into the packed courtroom. None of his family members or friends attended.

Many of them, including his mother, Carol Forbes, and his older brother, Bryan, travelled to Edmonton when news first broke that Ms. White had gone missing on her way to work last Tuesday morning. They also helped in the private search.
Det. Campeau also said that Mr. White became a potential suspect before last weekend, after officers became "aware of certain evidence," but he wouldn't elaborate. He said they have collected about 150 exhibits.

He said that the families of both Mr. and Ms. White are devastated.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050720/MISSING20/TPNational/Canada

[linnafay]

I believe this was definitely a case of financial burden.

He was sued 35,000 for the car accident, plus he owed the military money and was court martialed.

I am sure between being garnished wages, paying a mortgage, two vehicle loans, and having another baby, in which his wife would be off work for a year....I bet he snapped.

She probably didnt realize how deep in debt they were. Maybe that is what caused the ending. Maybe they were arguing about money and he snapped.

Maybe she was planning to leave him, and he figured he couldnt afford for her to leave.

Anyways, he was obviously not a good man...he stole from the military.
I dont believe his lies it was because of the payments he was paying for the car accident. There is always other ways around things without resorting to stealing.

[newtv]

Not really. I ain't all that.

;)
oh dont sell yourself short..

[blueclouds]

Hi Karma --- Castledowns is a part of Edmonton - not a suburb...., has always been.

Nice to meet you. I live in Sherwood Park, about 5 or 10 minutes from Edmonton to the East. :D

[lauriej]

[QUOTE=newtv]yes- I assume we have that type of thing..but people are people and I doubt our programs work any better than yours...things work for some folks and not for others..people can get an education..and we dont have death row so that means noone is denied privileges that would be denied those on death row..we have monsters who wonr ever get out too-because they are dangerous offenders-but they dont get the DP- and for those I could agree to it- but then we get into the whole where is the line drawn thing"..but more over its against our basic values- or the majority of canadians..its a philosophy..but I really think sex offenders - crimes against children involving sex of any sort - violent offenders should die-but that is not going to happen.



QUOTE]

.........since the canadian vote on the death penalty took place back in the 60's......i would really wonder if the 'majority' today, of age to vote......would still agree............

...i'm all for the death penalty......in crimes against children, most definitely.......and also, in this case, if he's proven to have taken lianna's life.....why should my tax $$'s pay to see him get to live ?to see him "rehabilitated? "

...he could have divorced her....let her leave him...swallowed his pride and sucked it up knowing he's a loser.......but he didn't...........he went one step further and killed her.........

...2nd degree......... an argument that got out of hand ? heat of the moment...out of control ? we've all been taught to get our emotions in check , ...i give this guy no pity at all because he couldn't manage it...

[lauriej]

the indignity to the body[/b] is possibly due to him staging her in a sexual position, as she was partially clothed, which in his mind would have appeared to be the workings of this local serial killer, thus, taking the spotlight off of White.

...although i also beleive that he was trying to make it appear that this was the work of the serial killer.........

...i've heard LE state numerous times in the last couple of days, that the 2nd charge " indignity to a human body", is solely because he moved the ( deceased ) body to the field....( in canada that is a crime in itself.......a person can NOT move a dead body without permit...anywhere...at any time...)

[newtv]

[QUOTE=newtv]yes- I assume we have that type of thing..but people are people and I doubt our programs work any better than yours...things work for some folks and not for others..people can get an education..and we dont have death row so that means noone is denied privileges that would be denied those on death row..we have monsters who wonr ever get out too-because they are dangerous offenders-but they dont get the DP- and for those I could agree to it- but then we get into the whole where is the line drawn thing"..but more over its against our basic values- or the majority of canadians..its a philosophy..but I really think sex offenders - crimes against children involving sex of any sort - violent offenders should die-but that is not going to happen.



QUOTE]

.........since the canadian vote on the death penalty took place back in the 60's......i would really wonder if the 'majority' today, of age to vote......would still agree............

...i'm all for the death penalty......in crimes against children, most definitely.......and also, in this case, if he's proven to have taken lianna's life.....why should my tax $$'s pay to see him get to live ?to see him "rehabilitated? "

...he could have divorced her....let her leave him...swallowed his pride and sucked it up knowing he's a loser.......but he didn't...........he went one step further and killed her.........

...2nd degree......... an argument that got out of hand ? heat of the moment...out of control ? we've all been taught to get our emotions in check , ...i give this guy no pity at all because he couldn't manage it...
yes the majority would vote against the DP because we have never rallied to have it changed-noone would ever run on that issue- why?? We have a strong social conscience..and there is no party hat can win in canada if it starts talking DP, abortion, or rescinding gay marriage..in fact I will predict anothe liberal majority because we do not want to be lead by reform party bibel thumpers- canada wont do that and u can hold me to thast..those who want it are in the minority and thats where they will stay- we are not going to go backward in time ...I wish you would realize we dont have a DP because we , (collective majority),dont agree with it in principle...otherwise someone would be forcing that vote.

[lauriej]

yes the majority would vote against the DP because we have never rallied to have it changed-noone would ever run on that issue- why?? We have a strong social conscience..and there is no party hat can win in canada if it starts talking DP, abortion, or rescinding gay marriage..in fact I will predict anothe liberal majority because we do not want to be lead by reform party bibel thumpers- canada wont do that and u can hold me to thast..those who want it are in the minority and thats where they will stay- we are not going to go backward in time ...I wish you would realize we dont have a DP because we , (collective majority),dont agree with it in principle...otherwise someone would be forcing that vote.
...i know we're not supposed to debate on these forums..........but..........in response to you...

...the 'collective majority'? doesn't agree with the DP in principle?we have never been asked if we do or we don't.........the liberals are far too busy trying to bury the sponsorship scandal.........

..."reform party 'bibel' thumpers"..........??!!
...i won't even touch that...........back to the forum....lianna ......her life is over............her husband quite possibly ended it..........yes, i could inject the needle to him myself.

"
yes the majority would vote against the DP because we have never rallied to have it changed"............i would say it's about time we did....

[Lakergirl123]

Be wary of baldheaded men - especially if your name starts with an L.....
Mr. Lakergirl! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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[Jan Melnyk]

Yikes. Actually my hubby is bald and my name is Lori and I live in Edmonton. I just wanted to post re the discussion of secomd degree murder charges-I am not sure but this is not written in stone-Det. Campeau said they were very early investigation and they have 150 pieces of evidence. I think they want to put this guy away, but they can't compromise the case. We will nevr have the death penalty here in Canada. I think they have done a n excellent job so far, letting Michael White think he is a hero, and letting him lead them to the body. I thought i would clear something up-he didn't leave his truck at the scene where he dumped her body north of the city limits. It was impounded from there-when he drove up to St. Albert (a bedroom community of Edmonton) for the search. The cops decided to take the truck right then and there when he was arrested hoping to find some clues. I think that charges may be upped to fist degree murder. For one thing, why didn't he have scratches on him if there was a vilent fight. He may have planned it and killed her after she fell asleep-she awoke and fought for her life, but didn't scratch him. I am sure he wanted her death to look like the work of the Edmonton serial killer who has been dumping bodies of prostitutes in rural areas outside Edmonton for a few years. Even the city councillor suggested this to be case-White must have thought he pulled it off then. Did anyone hear if he set her body on fire? Because I read that they couldn't tell if it was a man or woman at first. I think he planned this, espeically after the staged so-called abduction a few blocks from his home. I am a newbie by the way and an A&E crime show addict.

[karmarama]

Hi Jan,


I also live here in Edmonton :)
And I am also an A&E crime show addict :)

Thanks for clearing up the truck info, That is exactly what I thought happened, however, there was some confusion on the board here about that.

[mysteriew]

Yikes. Actually my hubby is bald and my name is Lori and I live in Edmonton. I just wanted to post re the discussion of secomd degree murder charges-I am not sure but this is not written in stone-Det. Campeau said they were very early investigation and they have 150 pieces of evidence. I think they want to put this guy away, but they can't compromise the case. We will nevr have the death penalty here in Canada. I think they have done a n excellent job so far, letting Michael White think he is a hero, and letting him lead them to the body. I thought i would clear something up-he didn't leave his truck at the scene where he dumped her body north of the city limits. It was impounded from there-when he drove up to St. Albert (a bedroom community of Edmonton) for the search. The cops decided to take the truck right then and there when he was arrested hoping to find some clues. I think that charges may be upped to fist degree murder. For one thing, why didn't he have scratches on him if there was a vilent fight. He may have planned it and killed her after she fell asleep-she awoke and fought for her life, but didn't scratch him. I am sure he wanted her death to look like the work of the Edmonton serial killer who has been dumping bodies of prostitutes in rural areas outside Edmonton for a few years. Even the city councillor suggested this to be case-White must have thought he pulled it off then. Did anyone hear if he set her body on fire? Because I read that they couldn't tell if it was a man or woman at first. I think he planned this, espeically after the staged so-called abduction a few blocks from his home. I am a newbie by the way and an A&E crime show addict.
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[packerdog]

I was wondering if any of the posters living in Edmonton, know how long the killing of these prostitutes has been going on. Does anybody think that MR. White had anything to do with these women being murdered?

[karmarama]

Packerdog,

Here is where you can find out about the sex trade workers murders here in Edmonton.

http://www.kare.ca/forum/


The thought of Micheal being involved has crossed my mind! I thought perhaps Liana told him she was going to report him, so he killed her. My hubby thinks my imagination is working over time, lol, but it did cross my mind.

Here is a new article from today.

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=5bec67ca-b09d-41ab-a382-4c3dc4c013e5