Lianna White/Edmonton,AB Part 3 7/19/05

[poco]

Tuesday, 7/19/05. Okay, apparently Michael has been arrested and they have found a body which we assume is Lianna - Correct me if I'm wrong here anyone. I wanted to start a new thread where today's news could be posted.

[Casshew]

New article this morning...not much new info...

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050718/160_white_family_050718.jpg

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories

Look at that sweet baby Ashley... now without a Mother and a murderer for a Dad :mad:

[poco]

What I am curious to know is why do they keep referencing "a body expected to be hers." Is there a question - I am sure they can identify her from her pictures or someone could ID her - unless...... unless...... there has to be more to this!

[Casshew]

What I am curious to know is why do they keep referencing "a body expected to be hers." Is there a question - I am sure they can identify her from her pictures or someone could ID her - unless...... unless...... there has to be more to this!
I think the media is saying 'expected to be hers' because the police have not publicly confirmed it is Liana.

[poco]

I think the media is saying 'expected to be hers' because the police have not publicly confirmed it is Liana.

Oh, okay...... but I wonder why not???

[Casshew]

Oh, okay...... but I wonder why not???
Tight lipped in Alberta, I guess :waitasec:

[PrayersForMaura]

Tight lipped in Alberta, I guess :waitasec:
Hi Casshew.... I like your icon, Do YOU Know Your Husband?

Did you make that? Can I use that, too?? If you did make it, would it be possible for you to add Janet Abaroa and Raven Abaroa and
the picture posted on this thread for Lianna for me pretty please?

Isn't that picture of Lianna and the baby so beautiful?
I don't understand why this happened. :(

Thank you all for the updates.
RIP Lianna
and Prayers for Ashley.

[aheddle]

Just a few snips from the article in my local paper the Hamilton Spectator.

He has been charged with 2nd degree murder and an additional charge of committiing an indignity to a dead body....as per my local newspaper. It was he and "his" search team who found the body. Remember he said that he would find her.....so sad for both their families and that precious child.

Michael White had been barred from the family home since Saturday as investigators searched the house for any evidence.

On Sunday hehe issued a heartfelt denial of any involvement in his wife's dissapperance.

Police said a positive identification cannot be made until after an autopsy performed today.

He is quoted as saying on Sunday "If your thinking the husband, forget the husband...let's find my wife.

The fact that the victim was 4 months pregnant has prompted chilling comparisions to Scott Peterson and the murder of his wife Laci and their unborn son Connor.

Of course all the neighbors thought they were a happy couple and are in shock.

[packerdog]

I wonder if he shot her, the article said that they used metal detectors near the body, maybe they were looking for a gun. We see more and more of these cases where a husband kills a pregnant wife, just so sad. When I was pregnant my husband and I were the happiest. You have to be a really horrible, selfish, person (Scott Peterson type) to murder your pregnant wife and baby.

[linnafay]

Hi everyone

I am sitting in my hotel in Edmonton. I was so disappointed that he was charged, but realized it makes the most sense it was the husband...again.

I am wondering if he burned the body to try and make it look like the serial killer? That would be a definite indignity to a body

I thought this because Paul Bernardo was only charged with one count...and I always assumed that was because he cut up Leslie and encased her in cement.

He should have been charged with two counts for sure.


Anyways, we drove up to St. Albert yesterday, and I think I know the approximate location of where the body was. I forgot my camera or I would have been one of those people out taking pictures :eek:

[SimonSays]

Does Canada have a law similar to the one in the US allowing someone to be charged w/ 2 murders if a woman is pregnant?

[PrayersForMaura]

I am trying to think of reasons why a man would murder his wife and child.
Why do such a thing and walk away?

In Scott Peterson's case, it seems (although we'll never know unless he confesses) that he didn't want the responsibility of a child, he had money problems and a mistress. Still, none of the reasons make it "ok". Never is it "ok". :mad:

In Mark Hacking's case, it was because he was leading a double life and pretty much living a lie. Lori uncovered his lies and was about to expose him. He thought that if he rid himself of her, he could keep living his lie.
But when he was caught, he only made it all worse for himself ... and took a beautiful woman's life for once again ... a selfish motive.

So why did Micheal White murder Lianna?
They already have one child, so it can't be about not wanting children.
We don't know of any mistress.
We don't know of any lies about his life... apparently he was an auto mechanic and it was widely known.
We don't know of any marital problems or any ongoing abuse.

What is his "reason" ... his "justification" that in his mind, he could get away with this and life would be better without Lianna alive? What was he thinking??

These idiot guys ... man, I hope the guy I eventually marry doesn't feel the need to erase me from his life. And I pray for all the women alive in this world who have a husband planning to harm them. May they be saved, somehow, some way.

And for Laci, Lori, Lianna, Janet and all the other women murdered by their spouses ... may they rest in peace :(

[Jess]

As far as I know, there is no law which would enable the police to charge him for the murder of the fetus.

[packerdog]

As far as I know, there is no law which would enable the police to charge him for the murder of the fetus.

Thats a shame.

[Daisy]

Interesting how he "just happened" to be part of the search team that found her. I guess he really meant what he said when he promised her "they or he" would find her. :furious:

[alien-daddy]

** These allegations have not yet been proved in a court of law.**

The Ottawa Citizen, the leading newspaper in my home of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, has been following the story of Liana White, a pregnant woman who disappeared in the early morning hours after she left for work in Edmonton, Alberta last week. Her husband, Michael White, has been all over the airwaves crying and begging for the return of this wife. He was organizing searches, wearing ribbons and pins, making TV appearences and describing his perfect marriage with his beautiful young wife.

New today, Liana White's body has been found north of the City of St. Albert, and Michael White has been changed with the second-degree murder of his wife Liana, along with a charge of committing an indignity to her body.

Interestingly enough, when the Scott Peterson trial barely made the Law sections in the back pages, the article today quoted the following paragraphs:

Quoted from The Ottawa Citizen, July 19th, 2005.
White had told the Sun he was thrilled to discover Liana was pregnant again and both were looking forward to having a sibling for their daughter.

But the fact that Liana was four months pregnant has prompted chilling comparisons to Scott Peterson, a California man convicted of killing his wife, Laci, and their unborn child.

Peterson is awaiting death in the execution chamber of San Quentin State Prison, the infamous lockup that overlooks the same bay where the body of his pregnant wife, Laci, was discarded. The badly decomposed remains of the woman and her fetus washed ashore four months later.

Prosecutors said the 32-year-old former fertilizer salesman strangled his wife to escape marriage and impending fatherhood and return to the bachelor life. At the time of his wife's disappearance on Christmas Eve 2002, he was carrying on an affair with Amber Frey, a massage therapist.

Peterson claimed to have been fishing by himself when his wife died.

Defence lawyers argued that Peterson was framed and that the real killers dumped Laci's body in the water after learning of Peterson's widely publicized alibi.

A Canadian arraignment and trial will be very different. Most high profile trials are subject to complete publication bans and there haven't been cameras in the courtroom for decades.

We will wait and see......

Alien-Daddy

[karmarama]

This whole thing is just so sad :(


I keep thinking that Liana found out something about him and was going to tell.I just think that for some reason.

As for him burning the body? that was my thought as well, then, it would explain why they weren't able to identify her right away :( hope not!

We should know a lot more at noon. He is appearing in court this morning and Edmonton Police will be holding a press conference afterwards.

We know that M. White is an ex soldier, I wonder if he is going to try and blame this on post traumatic stress sydrome ? it would not suprise me one bit! :furious:

[Gizzie95]

There is a thread here on WS for this case:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26500

Pretty interesting reading !

[karmarama]

I was coming to post the same thing! :)


So sad :(

[spygirl]

Michael White said "I'm no Scott Peterson." True, very true. He will never face the penalty that was handed down to SP.

:furious:

[Jess]

according to CTVNews.net

Michael White had his first court appearance this morning. He did not enter a plea.
Last I heard the Acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski will have a news conference at 3 pm Mountain time.

[poco]

according to CTVNews.net

Michael White had his first court appearance this morning. He did not enter a plea.
Last I heard the Acting Insp. Jamie Ewatski will have a news conference at 3 pm Mountain time.

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?

[Mimi]

Latest news article:

EDMONTON (CP) - An Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has made his first court appearance.
Wearing shackles and jail overalls, an exhausted-looking Michael White appeared in docket court, where he reserved plea on charges of second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

MORE AT LINK (short story though).

http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=07ee0ac5-a0b2-4c6d-a86b-6d23dfb6ea8c

[Jess]

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?
That 'll be 5 o'clock Eastern time. It might be carried live on the two main tv networks, CBC and CTV. There is no guarantee that the local stations will show it live, but will show the tape during the evening news.

[newtv]

New article this morning...not much new info...

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050718/160_white_family_050718.jpg

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories

Look at that sweet baby Ashley... now without a Mother and a murderer for a Dad :mad:
casshew-thanku for the insight into holmoka - laurieJ - thanku too..
As I said - I am not on top of that case and when I heard paul bernardo claiming it was all karla's idea I just wondered why anyone would listent o him-and as I said- being in the west I dont know the case the same way you guys might in the east.
I surely do not want to debate it as she doesnt deserve my defense when I dont know anything anyhow..if she steps out of line I am sure she will be in jail right away.
However, is she considered a registered sex offender?? I am just curious as I thought she was exempt from that process?

Thanks gang

[newtv]

on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? I came over here with the old posts in mind so hope I am being followed.
I bet he is no longer staying at the inlaws though I sure hope the child is.

[newtv]

I am trying to think of reasons why a man would murder his wife and child.
Why do such a thing and walk away?

In Scott Peterson's case, it seems (although we'll never know unless he confesses) that he didn't want the responsibility of a child, he had money problems and a mistress. Still, none of the reasons make it "ok". Never is it "ok". :mad:

In Mark Hacking's case, it was because he was leading a double life and pretty much living a lie. Lori uncovered his lies and was about to expose him. He thought that if he rid himself of her, he could keep living his lie.
But when he was caught, he only made it all worse for himself ... and took a beautiful woman's life for once again ... a selfish motive.

So why did Micheal White murder Lianna?
They already have one child, so it can't be about not wanting children.
We don't know of any mistress.
We don't know of any lies about his life... apparently he was an auto mechanic and it was widely known.
We don't know of any marital problems or any ongoing abuse.

What is his "reason" ... his "justification" that in his mind, he could get away with this and life would be better without Lianna alive? What was he thinking??

These idiot guys ... man, I hope the guy I eventually marry doesn't feel the need to erase me from his life. And I pray for all the women alive in this world who have a husband planning to harm them. May they be saved, somehow, some way.

And for Laci, Lori, Lianna, Janet and all the other women murdered by their spouses ... may they rest in peace :(
I am sure it will unravel to be a woman-or money in his case. Or both.
As well, generally we will see a double life unfold of some sort so if not a woman or money it will be something. The key is leading a double life.

[newtv]

Why would he reserve a plea do u think?

[newtv]

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?poco I would be very surprised if it is shown anywhere else but canada..I do think we will see it here in canada as its catching on now..there is a national interest now that he hs been charged-people will want to know all the things we want to know.
Yesterday I was afraid ir would only be shown in edmonton.

poco- they have video footage of the news on ctv - I'll find the link so if its going to be on video u guys can watch that way,

[kahskye]

Hope you don't mind me here. I'm not from Canada, but this still has bothered me alot. I never felt like Lianna could just walk away from her little girl. Did they know what the sex of the new baby was? Perhaps another girl and Micheal had to have a son?

[newtv]

poco- they have video footage of the news on ctv - I'll find the link so if its going to be on video u guys can watch that way.

http://www.ctv.ca/news


ok go here and then look for newsnet icons that look like a vidoe - there is one for this case-an update is given-so I hunch it will be on the same link later when the news conference is on..
I dont see a feed link so u have to go find the headline that is video'd first then it plays for u. (as below but you will see the vidoe icon on the left too)

Edmonton man faces court on wife's murder charge (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories)

An Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has made his first court appearance where he reserved a plea on charges of second-degree murder.

(the headline is as above)(the newsnet version is just below the opening paragraph)

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[newtv]

Hope you don't mind me here. I'm not from Canada, but this still has bothered me alot. I never felt like Lianna could just walk away from her little girl. Did they know what the sex of the new baby was? Perhaps another girl and Micheal had to have a son?
god i hope its not about that-for gods sake how barbaric is that?

[newtv]

"Just stay there, we'll find you. We will. I'll find you," he said tearfully in a television interview last week.

This sounds weirder to me now then ever- I mean why would u ask her to stay where she is -if she had any chance of escaping then you would want her to had she been abducted.

added

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[Mimi]

Why would he reserve a plea do u think?
I'm sure based on legal advice so they can derive the best defense- like insanity or accidental GRRRR!!!!:behindbar That poor little Ashley- he has now deprived her of both parents:sick: .

[poco]

[QUOTE=newtv]on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? [QUOTE]

Newt - you think maybe he called in a sitter?????????? :slap:

[newtv]

[QUOTE=newtv]on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? [QUOTE]

Newt - you think maybe he called in a sitter?????????? :slap:
dah! good point poco..rofl

[alien-daddy]

There is a thread here on WS for this case:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26500

Pretty interesting reading !
True enough....

I wanted to point out the very rare references the Canadian media makes to Scott Peterson. We're just so isolated up here in the frigid north.

Alien-Daddy

[Jess]

Global Edmonton
12 pm news

July 26th will be Michael White's next court appearance.
His lawyer, Larry Anderson, refused to comment on the similarities between this case and Scott Peterson, nor would he comment on his client's state of mind.

[Moggie]

[QUOTE=newtv]"Just stay there, we'll find you. We will. I'll find you," he said tearfully in a television interview last week.

This sounds weirder to me now then ever- I mean why would u ask her to stay where she is -if she had any chance of escaping then you would want her to had she been abducted.


However, its seems he did just that!!!!!!!

[cami]

I wonder if he shot her, the article said that they used metal detectors near the body, maybe they were looking for a gun. We see more and more of these cases where a husband kills a pregnant wife, just so sad. When I was pregnant my husband and I were the happiest. You have to be a really horrible, selfish, person (Scott Peterson type) to murder your pregnant wife and baby.

I'm wondering what the "indiginity to the body" means. I wonder if he partially dismembered her. Ugh, awful to think about. God Bless her and the baby. I hope this creep gets life without.

[nohat]

True enough....

I wanted to point out the very rare references the Canadian media makes to Scott Peterson. We're just so isolated up here in the frigid north.

Alien-Daddy

Thank you for doing so Alien... Appreciated reading your post.

[SanQuentinvisitor]

Here we go again.......I just don't even try to pretend to understand why these 'similar' cases keep happening.......Do these men not read the papers? What happen to good ol' divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious:

[cami]

Does Canada have a law similar to the one in the US allowing someone to be charged w/ 2 murders if a woman is pregnant?

I don't think we do. We murder babies every day here, by abortion.

[robinparten]

Here we go again.......I just don't even try to pretend to understand why these 'similar' cases keep happening.......Do these men not read the papers? What happen to good ol' divorce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious:
SQV, I thought the same thing - do each of these men really think that THEY are the one who will outsmart everyone???? I mean, if that isn't a symptom of how very STUPID they really are, I don't know what is.

[cami]

Does anyone know if that will be shown on any USA channels and, if so, what time for the East Coast?

what about Cspan? Don't you get Canadian news on that in the US? It will be 6:00 pm my time in the Atlantic.

[cami]

casshew-thanku for the insight into holmoka - laurieJ - thanku too..
As I said - I am not on top of that case and when I heard paul bernardo claiming it was all karla's idea I just wondered why anyone would listent o him-and as I said- being in the west I dont know the case the same way you guys might in the east.
I surely do not want to debate it as she doesnt deserve my defense when I dont know anything anyhow..if she steps out of line I am sure she will be in jail right away.
However, is she considered a registered sex offender?? I am just curious as I thought she was exempt from that process?

Thanks gang

anything bernardo has to say would be self-serving and designed to get him out of prison some day. I am glad that he was not given air time. He's ten times worse than Homolka will ever be.

We don't have a national sex offender registry but she did have to give them her dna for the new database so you could consider her registered.

[cami]

Global Edmonton
12 pm news

July 26th will be Michael White's next court appearance.
His lawyer, Larry Anderson, refused to comment on the similarities between this case and Scott Peterson, nor would he comment on his client's state of mind.

Oh Dear God, please Edmonton do not accept a plea. this guy should be, must be, prosecuted to the fullest extent, no deals, no insanity.

[mom-a-licious]

I really wish there'd be some sort of an Additional charge that could be leveled against these guys for making their overly-dramatic, garbled, completely see-through lying statements to the media, LE, the victim's other family members, and the public; while they know darn well that their victim is already dead and gone and lying out there somewhere, and everyone is looking frantically for her.

For some reason, whenever this sort of thing happens, it just burns me up :furious: to look back at the perp's behavior during the time following the murder, while everyone is looking for the vicitm, and the so-called "distraught" hubby---who always seems to become panic-stricken and distraught extremely quickly in these cases---is crying, and making soap-opera-type statements about his wife, and making dramatic statements after only three days such as "my grief has turned to anger now, I will find her myself", and crap like that.

I really think that although the murder itself may not have been premeditated, the lying and misleading of everyone for days and days afterward certainly is premeditated. By that time, the perp has had plenty of time to consider what he's done, and what he's continuing to do, and if he continues to try to do it, it Does add an aspect of pre-meditation to the whole thing.

little Ashley now is not only without her Mom, and her Dad, and her home and family as she knew it, she is also without the sibling she would have had. :mad:

[SanQuentinvisitor]

SQV, I thought the same thing - do each of these men really think that THEY are the one who will outsmart everyone???? I mean, if that isn't a symptom of how very STUPID they really are, I don't know what is.
:rolleyes: I know........it really just blows my mind that some idiot actually thought by changing it up a bit (not using water as a disposal site)........he looked less obvious. And just when he thought they weren't going to find her, he decided to move things along and point 'his' group in the right direction............:doh:

But this is Canada so he'll be looking at 5 years in a cushy resort for offing his wife and unborn child.......... (no offense to Canada):blowkiss:

[Mabel]

Perhaps this will help Scott's fans to see the truth. Men do kill their pregnant wives, and for very little reason.


Nah.........

[desert]

What, I wonder, is the "committing an indignity to a dead body" ?? That is beyond sick, especially to someone you know. Someone on the other thread mentioned burning her to make it look like some serial killer in the area (and perhaps to prevent identification).

[Daisy]

You are right, Mom-a-licious, that there should be another charge that could be filed against these liars. "Obstruction of Justice" comes to mind...these guys know that the case could be solved within a matter of seconds if they just told the truth. Instead they lead LE, search teams AND family members, friends and relatives on a wild goose chase because they are trying to get away with murder. Obstruction of Justice at the very least...and may the penalty for that be defined by the type of crime they were trying to hide. Don't know if this makes any sense...I'm not the most well-spoken (or well-typed in this case :p ) person around.

[Mabel]

What, I wonder, is the "committing an indignity to a dead body" ?? That is beyond sick, especially to someone you know. Someone on the other thread mentioned burning her to make it look like some serial killer in the area (and perhaps to prevent identification).

In Canada, according to the discussion, merely moving a dead body is considered "committing an indignity".

[heavenlydaze]

[QUOTE=newtv]on the old thread I read that he left the 3 year old alone while he disposed of the body? Is that correct and how do we know this? [QUOTE]

Newt - you think maybe he called in a sitter?????????? :slap:

Poco, you're a hoot!
Anyway, I'm going to speculate that he didn't leave the 3 yr old alone (unless maybe she was sleeping)...the sick, twisted SOB probably strapped her in the car seat & took her with him to dispose of Mommy. After all, a 3 yr old would hardly be much of a witness.

[desert]

In Canada, according to the discussion, merely moving a dead body is considered "committing an indignity".
Oh, wow, I had no idea. That's actually a relief.

[cami]

In Canada, according to the discussion, merely moving a dead body is considered "committing an indignity".

Thanks Mabel, didn't know that.

[Mygirlsadie]

Michael White said "I'm no Scott Peterson." True, very true. He will never face the penalty that was handed down to SP.

:furious:
hmmm maybe he is no Scott Peterson but he sure does look just like Mark Hacking...Birds of a feather........................

[weekender]

Wow, what a thought. Wonder if the police have questioned the 3 year old, and what, if anything she could tell them.

[Daisy]

hmmm maybe he is no Scott Peterson but he sure does look just like Mark Hacking...Birds of a feather........................
I thought of Mark Hacking as well. However, I noticed in the family picture of them when he was smiling he looked like a very very chubby SP (minus the hair and wearing a hat). I guess we can call him Scott Hacking or Mark Peterson, eh? :crazy:

[FacTink]

Anyone heard any news? If so...hope you'll roll in and update us. The autopsy should probably have identity by now...dental records? scars? other things depending upon the condition of the remains (man it hurts to use those words.)

BTW, I'm wondering if anyone in or around Edmonton may have any information on a website OR other place that those of us who would like to express our condolences to the family could send. i.e. is there a guest book somewhere, or would one of the newspapers up there support something of this nature? I would hope that whatever it is, it would be moderated...i.e. so the family doesn't have to hear anything but kindness, rather than some of the wackos like those who showed in the Laci guest book.

Posted by FT 7/13/05:
>>"Who ever has her, or if she is out there and you see me, or see this, just stay there and we will find you. I will find you."<<

It almost sounds like SP speak. Does it make sense to anyone?

Posted by Cass 7/13/05:
>>'just stay there' = don't you dare surface?
'I will find you' = I know where you are?<<

Well...Cass...perhaps the "I know where you are" was not at all incorrect. And perhaps the SP speak is becoming more and more obvious ...

Of course, we don't know if White is guilty yet...but my bet is that LE is fairly clear on some things, thus the arrest. Interesting that there was no plea or whatever it was today...perhaps the attorney is waiting for the autopsy to see precisely what proof there is before figuring out the way he can angle to try to defend what, again, appears to be someone unworthy of defense. Yeah yeah yeah...it will be interesting to hear the "story." ..."but she was irate, I asked her to calm down, but she threw the dishrag at me and it hit me on my sore nose, and well, I was real schnockered at the time and I got a little made, but when I just playfully pushed her to back her off, she tripped over the cat and hit her head on a loaded gun that was sitting on the counter and blammo. I was so scared...I didn't mean to do it...I loved her...I was irate, but it was just a playful push!" Uh huh...what will the story be IF there is not just more of "deny, deny, deny" (like the other SP speak we heard just before the body was found.) :(

FT

[Casshew]

Looks like Canada may have its own Scott Peterson
Scott, I can handle... but if there's a Jackie up here ~ I'm leaving! :snooty:

[KrazyKollector]

I keep trying to come up with possible motives also.

Besides the good ones you all have offered up, I am wondering about a couple more.

Is the husband on steroids? Could he have become enraged from something simple and then went too far?

Could he be an abuser, one who wanted control totally over his wife? When she backtalked, he flew into a full-blown hissy and used his wife as a human punching bag? Perhaps going too far?

When her description first came out, it was said Lianna was 5'4" and 190 pounds. But, the pics we saw, few as they were, didn't seem to support that stat. The description was fixed later to say 150 pounds (I think that's what I read). Could he not have liked her getting so big, made fun of her or made hateful comments about her size. Finally, she tells him when to stick it and he goes into a sociopathic rage? That would be part of the abuseive personna.

Nothing has been said in the news or on tv about him being any kind of abuser. I am just throwing our ideas for everyone. :(

[adnoid]

Perhaps this will help Scott's fans to see the truth...

They would only see the truth if it's in front of a box of donuts.

[PrayersForMaura]

I keep trying to come up with possible motives also.

Besides the good ones you all have offered up, I am wondering about a couple more.

Is the husband on steroids? Could he have become enraged from something simple and then went too far?

Could he be an abuser, one who wanted control totally over his wife? When she backtalked, he flew into a full-blown hissy and used his wife as a human punching bag? Perhaps going too far?

When her description first came out, it was said Lianna was 5'4" and 190 pounds. But, the pics we saw, few as they were, didn't seem to support that stat. The description was fixed later to say 150 pounds (I think that's what I read). Could he not have liked her getting so big, made fun of her or made hateful comments about her size. Finally, she tells him when to stick it and he goes into a sociopathic rage? That would be part of the abuseive personna.

Nothing has been said in the news or on tv about him being any kind of abuser. I am just throwing our ideas for everyone. :(
Gosh, I hope not! She looked pretty small for being pregnant AND he's kind of a pig himself, so he has no room to judge a woman for her weight. :sick:

[Jess]

I am listening to CHED radio in Edmonton. They are going to carry the news conference live,as I believe CBC NewsWorld also. www.630ched.com/
Nothing has been heard from either family: no mention of any website or anything for condolences. I would think the hospital ( Royal Alex) would pass along any cards or letters.
Interestingly the staff was said to be sad, no mention of shocked or surprised. Could be a media slant or it could be very telling.

[Alta]

I was saddened this morning when I woke up and watched ctv newsnet to see she had been found and the husband charged with her murder.I have been following this since she went missing and when I watched his tearful plea,I had to wonder if he didn't plan his speech so well it all come out wrong.I think he tried to hard to sound sincere.I also had the feeling it would be a search party that he was part of would find her body.They had a few day old interview this morning on our local Global station and in my opinion he was a little to rested looking and relaxed for a man so worried about his missing wife.Its 3 here now I am gonna flick and see if I can find the news conference anywhere.

[Jess]

These are just notes on the news conference. I am typing as they speak.
Detective Michael Campeau-- lead investigator

confirms it is Liana White
cannot give a time of death
cannot charge a person in Canada with the death of an unborn child
EDP had never gone to the house before
no criminal record
record with the military
media - put investigation under stress
there has been a policeman working on this file - every single minute
will not comment where the murder was committed
preliminary search of the house - found nothing
cause of death is undetermined
state of decomposition --more tests must be done
body shows signs of a struggle
they always knew where he was when he was searching
half ton truck - removed from scene-- vehicle left where her body found
financial difficulties
comments on tv -- out of the norm of a way a suspect acts
no polygraph
she was not fully clothed
person of interest- from the get go -- look at the family first- not as a suspect - later on in the week he became one
search warrants being prepared for financial situation
Both families - are devestated
tragic for both families
Liana's mom is not doing well at all-- thinks she has custody of Ashley
second time in house - forensic team has over 150 exhibits - at the house, SUV,field
house was pristine - not a red flag
2nd degree - no evidence of any planning
Sunday night-- he was arrested - lawyer caution/rights just after 4
He exercised those rights
murder took place between the 11th and the 12th
timeframe - times are different between him and the witnesses
last seen by ? ( someone else) at midnight
no evidence of any other person involved
paternity not questioned

[FacTink]

Some quotes...

>>Earlier that day he had said his nights since Liana's disappearance had alternated between nightmares and sleeplessness.

"If they're thinking it was the husband, forget the husband. Let's find my wife," he told a reporter, adding that he feared the worst.

"I want people to know she was an outstanding person who contributed to the community," he said. "There's no reason why this should have happened." <<


Check the distancing..."If they're (who is they?) thinking it was the husband (THE HUSBAND? OR "ME, HER HUSBAND") Then there is "my wife" not Lianne...

"I want people to know she ---> WAS <---- an outstanding person who ..." (contributed <----past tense)

"There's no reason why this should have happened..." Hmmm...you mean "I can't imagine that Lianne could have done anything that could have contributed to her disappearance...she was always cautious, looked out for strangers..." why "this" <----this?

Well...perhaps some of this is somewhat explainable, but so much of it just felt so weird to the ears! The bit about "thinking it was the husband" is really strange...

FT

[Jess]

The truck was registered to Michael White. They were aware of it and were in the process of getting a search warrant for it. Some media had reported a vehicle being driven out of the field under a tarp.

I typed as fast as I could. If I missed things, I hope someone else can fill in

[Mabel]

Thanks, Jess. That answers many of our questions.

EDP had never gone to the house before

What is EDP?

[FacTink]

Hi Jess,

Thanks so much! Can you recall anything else that was said? I tried to find something/anything on TV here in California, could not :(

[Jess]

EDP - Edmonton Police Department

I guess he has a record with the military ( criminal ) but none with civilian authorities in Edmonton. They had never been called to the house before this -- ala domestic abuse etc.
I am trying to remember all that I heard- it really didn't register as I was typing.

[Mabel]

The truck was registered to Michael White. They were aware of it and were in the process of getting a search warrant for it. Some media had reported a vehicle being driven out of the field under a tarp.

I typed as fast as I could. If I missed things, I hope someone else can fill in

I figured out the EDP thing, nevermind.

Are you saying that he left his own truck at the location where her body was found?

[Casshew]

These are just notes on the news conference. I am typing as they speak.
Detective Michael Campeau-- lead investigator

confirms it is Liana White
cannot give a time of death
cannot charge a person in Canada with the death of an unborn child
EDP had never gone to the house before
no criminal record
record with the military
media - put investigation under stress
there has been a policeman working on this file - every single minute
will not comment where the murder was committed
preliminary search of the house - found nothing
cause of death is undetermined
state of decomposition --more tests must be done
body shows signs of a struggle
they always knew where he was when he was searching
half ton truck - removed from scene-- vehicle left where her body found
financial difficulties
comments on tv -- out of the norm of a way a suspect acts
no polygraph
she was not fully clothed
person of interest- from the get go -- look at the family first- not as a suspect - later on in the week he became one
search warrants being prepared for financial situation
Both families - are devestated
tragic for both families
Liana's mom is not doing well at all-- thinks she has custody of Ashley
second time in house - forensic team has over 150 exhibits - at the house, SUV, house
house was pristine - not a red flag
2nd degree - no evidence of any planning
Sunday night-- he was arrested - lawyer caution/rights just after 4
He exercised those rights
murder took place between the 11th and the 12th
timeframe - times are different between him and the witnesses
last seen by ? ( someone else) at midnight
no evidence of any other person involved
paternity not questioned
Wow.. thanks Jess, great recap :blowkiss:

A few things stand out-

Liana's body showed signs of a struggle - she knew who her killer was, what he was doing, she tried to flght back and protect herself and her baby.

Her body was not fully clothed....

Financial difficulites.... a ha! a new baby would make it worse for Mr. White

also

if she said she was leaving him - he would have 2 kids to support


House was pristine.... looks like Mr. Clean payed a visit :rolleyes:

Cause of death - undetermined?? we need a better coroner!

[Jess]

If you go to the website www.630ched.com/ (http://www.630ched.com/) you can get a live audio feed and they are going to be talking about it at the bottom of the hour -- 2:30 your time

[Alta]

The truck was registered to Michael White. They were aware of it and were in the process of getting a search warrant for it. Some media had reported a vehicle being driven out of the field under a tarp.

I typed as fast as I could. If I missed things, I hope someone else can fill in
I watched this as well ctv newsnet aired it.I looked up their site but they charge a subscription fee to watch their live feeds.You basically got everything he said I was scrambling to write it all down.I believe they did say the 150 exhibits are evidence collected from the house,suv and also from the area where the body was found.He was arrested at the scene shortly after the body was located.

[FacTink]

Thanks Jess! HAVE THE LIVE FEED thanks to you!

ft

[Jess]

Apparently body was quite decomposed. Guess they looking for strangulation, asphyxiation ?
Indignity to a dead body -- just what we originally said, that she was dumped or left without proper burial.
The husband's rights changed as soon as he was charged - and advised of those rights ( we do not have Miranda ) and he used those rights.

[Jess]

The remark about a pristine house came from a reporter. The lead investigator said it did not mean anything as most people do not live as pigs I think he said. Could have said slobs.

[Jess]

Obviously the police were watching and listening to every word, every nuance said by Michael White to the media. Guess they know all about the body language just like we do !!

[FacTink]

>>Apparently body was quite decomposed.<<

What have the temps been in Edmonton between the 12th and the 19th? That is not a long time for a body to decompose unless it has been very hot?

FT

[Alta]

Here is a link to the National Post with the details of the newsconference.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=3607e449-df78-449d-9bc3-a62f684168e7

[Casshew]

Did I read somewhere that it was Mike White who called 911 after Liana was found? I would love to hear that call :rolleyes: or read the transcript if someone comes across it.

This reminds me of Scott's prophecy "I lost my wife" weeks before Laci went missing.

Mike says "I will find you" during his empassioned plea to the media. :doh:

[Jess]

He left her truck where the body was found !! Duh !! How in the world was he going to explain to the police where his truck had gone ?

[FacTink]

Hmmm... maybe the truck wasn't registered to anyone, or the IDs were already off of it? OR maybe he figured he would wait until the heat died down then go get it? OR maybe he would go explode it at a later point in time? Sloppy work...obviously no pro, then again...what happened in the military. That will be interesting to learn. Anyone hear anything on this yet?

FT

[newtv]

He left her truck where the body was found !! Duh !! How in the world was he going to explain to the police where his truck had gone ?I dont understand..he left her truck where the body was found? Do you mean the explorer?

I feel terrible for her - she struggled and i always hope the person didnt know it was even happening..
I cant see how it wasnt planned if she struggled..I mean at some point it seems to me she would be begging for her life-to me it becomes planned right then and there.

[joanofarc]

>>Apparently body was quite decomposed.<<

What have the temps been in Edmonton between the 12th and the 19th? That is not a long time for a body to decompose unless it has been very hot?

FTHi FacTink:

I live in Calgary...2 hours from Edmonton and the weather has been quite warm over the last week...not extremely hot but nice warm temps....75 - 80%...with the exception of the weekend which was cooler on Sat, July 16...when we had a little wind and rain....

[poco]

Be wary of baldheaded men - especially if your name starts with an L.....

[newtv]

I'm wondering what the "indiginity to the body" means. I wonder if he partially dismembered her. Ugh, awful to think about. God Bless her and the baby. I hope this creep gets life without.
I am still puzzled by this too - it has to be something bigger than just moving the body-it has been suggested she was burned-if so that explains why she was so decomposed (or is a week enough to destroy all paths to cause of death)..
They know there were signs of a struggle but not when or how she died-doesnt make sense to me?
I suppose he could have beheaded her and the head is missing- if he were to have shot her..that type of thing-but we will have to wait and see- I hunch it will be sealed till the court proceedings begin.

[spygirl]

Scott, I can handle... but if there's a Jackie up here ~ I'm leaving! :snooty:You can come stay with me for awhile Cass....

I had a dream about you last night, that I ran into you at a mall. The only reason I knew it was you was because you were wearing a shirt that said "Casshew". You were bubbly and sweet and wearing bright blue sparkly eye-shadow.

:)

[FacTink]

Sure seems to me that UNLESS the extra charge (committing an indignity to a body) explains "why" they can't account for the cause of death at this point, that there would be some evidence.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/decomposition/

FT

PS. Thanks JOArc for the notes on the temps. How is the weather at night?

[Jess]

The truck was registered to Michael White. He left it NW of the city where the body was found.stupid thing to do, but that is what he did.
The weather up here has not been exceptionally hot. In fact Friday was quite cool. We've had some good rainstorms and showers.
Some media are saying she was identified by dental records .
Alta can correct me if I am wrong, but indignity to a dead body means he left her out in the ditch by the farmer's field.That's it for this case-- he left the body in a field, period. Nothing else was mentioned or hinted at. I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body."

[newtv]

I don't think we do. We murder babies every day here, by abortion.
please leave that out of this-we are talking about a woman who has been murdered with child - the rest is an attempt at making this thread what it isnt about..
It might be a good time to make an effort to change that law but lets keep it to this case. You can start a thread on the rest of it elsewhere if you want to provoke that conversation/debate.

[Alta]

I am thinking she may have been burned as they said she had to be identified through dental records.

[Jess]

Detective Campeau was quite clear, I thought, that it was because of decomposition , that made it necessary to use dental records. He also said she was not fully clothed. Doesn't sound burned to me.

[newtv]

The truck was registered to Michael White. He left it NW of the city where the body was found.stupid thing to do, but that is what he did.
The weather up here has not been exceptionally hot. In fact Friday was quite cool. We've had some good rainstorms and showers.
Some media are saying she was identified by dental records .
Alta can correct me if I am wrong, but indignity to a dead body means he left her out in the ditch by the farmer's field.That's it for this case-- he left the body in a field, period. Nothing else was mentioned or hinted at. I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body."
Jess are you saying there is another vehicle besides the explorer involved and that it is a vehicle that was at the crime scene and he thought no one knew he had that vehicle..or he was just too stupid to think they would want to know about a second vehicle.?

Just a general comment..I am so sick of men killing their wives because they have financial problems - I dont know anyone who doesnt consider they have finanacial concerns-struggles etc- even the wealthy ones.
Financial fears and struggles are a part of most peoples lives-what makes it an issue to kill over..further when u cant manage finances to the point where u would kill for more money, I hunch that its just a matter of time before that insurance money is used up too-then u once again have the same struggles...I mean if u dont clean up the underlying problem behind financial chaos then its never going to be differnt..no amount of money will ever be enough.
I also dont get why the body is decomposed to that extent..is that normal?
Thats the only thng that makes me wonder if he did anything to make the cause of death impossible to determine.

Thanks Jess for all the hard work u have done and keeping eberyone alerted. I was too busy to even catch the news so I will try to watch later.

[FacTink]

I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body." Yes...and only partially clothed? I'll bet there is more...to this indignity thing, they may be keeping some of it quiet. SOMEONE found the body...so somone knows.

Also...if he left that truck, how did he get back home - how far away was it from the house? Could he have walked home and not left the baby there for too long? Did he hitch a ride with someone? Did he have a friend come get him? If so...did that friend talk? Hmmm...or not talk?

Felony child endangerment? I'm with some of you, wish they could pile some more charges on.

FT

[joanofarc]

Signs of a struggle might mean bruising, right?

If so, they must have been able to determine this from her body...I also have an inkling he may have set her on fire to make it look like it was work of the "serial" killer in Edmonton . If set on fire she may not have completely burned but enough to make it not easy to readily identify her....therefore the need for LE to have to access her dental records...

[newtv]

Detective Campeau was quite clear, I thought, that it was because of decomposition , that made it necessary to use dental records. He also said she was not fully clothed. Doesn't sound burned to me.I am wondering what the half clothed thing is all about?? I mean why would he do that-usually when u know the person u want them to be covered..unless he was trying to stage a rape scene.

[newtv]

I believe that is what Det. Campeau said.--"he left the body." Yes...and only partially clothed? I'll bet there is more...to this indignity thing, they may be keeping some of it quiet. SOMEONE found the body...so somone knows.

Also...if he left that truck, how did he get back home - how far away was it from the house? Could he have walked home and not left the baby there for too long? Did he hitch a ride with someone? Did he have a friend come get him? If so...did that friend talk? Hmmm...or not talk?

Felony child endangerment? I'm with some of you, wish they could pile some more charges on.

FT
I agree-get him on everything.
He must have left the truck there because it had evidence in it.
Why else would he?
Unless he figured they would check the tires and find field dirt etc.

[joanofarc]

I am wondering what the half clothed thing is all about?? I mean why would he do that-usually when u know the person u want them to be covered..unless he was trying to stage a rape scene.
That is exactly what he was doing I bet...trying to make it look like the perp was a sexual offender...IMO

[karmarama]

He left her truck where the body was found !! Duh !! How in the world was he going to explain to the police where his truck had gone ?


I think they mean that he left HIS truck where the body was found, He was part of the search team that found her, right?

We did have a couple hot days last week, nothing extreme though.
I also believe that he must have done something to her body to try and hide her identity and probably some evidence.I don't know how many details LE will give us, they try and keep everything so darn secretive here!

I will try and find out where condolences can be sent, and or some website and I will get back to you.

This is terrible :( Liana's Mom is reported as not doing well :( how sad , to think they let him stay at their house, believing his lies, all the while he new exactly where Liana was! just like Scott Peterson :furious:

[joanofarc]

The truck was under a tarp...perhaps, he never thought it would be found/looked at because it was on private property (farmer's land)...maybe he thought it would just be ignored and he could carry on his merry way....what a DUMBO :doh:

[Casshew]

You can come stay with me for awhile Cass....

I had a dream about you last night, that I ran into you at a mall. The only reason I knew it was you was because you were wearing a shirt that said "Casshew". You were bubbly and sweet and wearing bright blue sparkly eye-shadow.

:)
Okay.. that dream is scarier than me doing Cardoza :hand:

[newtv]

That is exactly what he was doing I bet...trying to make it look like the perp was a sexual offender...IMO
especially if he was aware that prostitutes were being killed in the area..
but the reality is that when a story doesnt add up it just doesnt
so the truth is revealed from the lies people tell
I know that its best to own up to whatever one does cuz then even the true story will make sense-even if you committed a crime.
The coverups are the way the truth is revealed..it simply doesnt check out when its made up.

My 5:30 news PST..will have reaction from friends and neighbors- I will report anything note worthy. Also results from the autopsy but I am sure its nothing not already released-likely a teaser.

[FacTink]

Hiya NewTV...

Well...you can ALMOST BET he staged something on the body (to make it look like someone else did it)...because he certainly staged the car, the wallet stuff, the phone, the shoes and so on. WHAT A DOPE!

Ft

[newtv]

I think they mean that he left HIS truck where the body was found, He was part of the search team that found her, right?

We did have a couple hot days last week, nothing extreme though.
I also believe that he must have done something to her body to try and hide her identity and probably some evidence.I don't know how many details LE will give us, they try and keep everything so darn secretive here!

I will try and find out where condolences can be sent, and or some website and I will get back to you.

This is terrible :( Liana's Mom is reported as not doing well :( how sad , to think they let him stay at their house, believing his lies, all the while he new exactly where Liana was! just like Scott Peterson :furious:
Now I am confused-when did he leave the truck where the body was found and why would that be a problem if he left it there after it was found..?? Doesnt add up to me so I must be missing a piece.

[newtv]

The truck was under a tarp...perhaps, he never thought it would be found/looked at because it was on private property (farmer's land)...maybe he thought it would just be ignored and he could carry on his merry way....what a DUMBO :doh:
for the sake of my strained brain can someone tell me the story of the truck from start to finish- I am confused now-as to when it was left.

FT
You have to wonder what these guys are thinking-I mean it wasnt even staged very well.

[FacTink]

HAHAHA News....

I must be getting tired, nappy time. You wrote:
>>Doesnt add up to me so I must be missing a piece.<<

Oh don't feel bad, I have a screw loose and lost marbles :)

[Jess]

[QUOTE=newtv]Jess are you saying there is another vehicle besides the explorer involved and that it is a vehicle that was at the crime scene and he thought no one knew he had that vehicle..or he was just too stupid to think they would want to know about a second vehicle.?

Yes, a pick up truck -- his

That is a puzzlement - how did he get home ? I think the distance 7 k was mentioned. About 4 miles--( I am not sure about this at all--but that figure sticks out in my mind - )

So he drove her to the field, left her and the truck and made it home on his own. ? there is no evidence of someone else being involved.

The truck was taken out of the field where her body was found, covered by a tarp - probably by forensics !It was on a trailer and covered.

[newtv]

[QUOTE=newtv]Jess are you saying there is another vehicle besides the explorer involved and that it is a vehicle that was at the crime scene and he thought no one knew he had that vehicle..or he was just too stupid to think they would want to know about a second vehicle.?

Yes, a pick up truck -- his

That is a puzzlement - how did he get home ? I think the distance 7 k was mentioned. About 4 miles--( I am not sure about this at all--but that figure sticks out in my mind - )

So he drove her to the field, left her and the truck and made it home on his own. ? there is no evidence of someone else being involved.

The truck was taken out of the field where her body was found, covered by a tarp - probably by forensics !It was on a trailer and covered.
ok- so the post that he left the truck there at the time of the search is an error- thats all i wanted to get straight..thx a whole lot.

FT_ my marbles are known to leave the premises on a regular basis as well..lol

[spygirl]

Be wary of baldheaded men - especially if your name starts with an L.....Thanks there Poco.... you guys are really on a roll. My fiance is bald and my name starts with an L. :razz:

Hey Cass, if there's a "Jackie" up there, looks like we'll both be looking for somewhere to stay!

[newtv]

Jess- are we wearing you out or are you ok with so many questions..if you feel bombarded just tell us.:blowkiss:.its just been hard piecing it together -though I will listen to my local news at 5:30 and take notes of anything that might be worthy of posting-(but I hunch its all here by now).

[Jess]

Because there is so little given to the media , and it is very controlled, there has been a lot of confusion with interpretations. Reading some of the national reports of the news conference---the reporters have gotten things wrong.

Michael White was not a suspect at first, but the Det . said that later on in the week, he was. They were aware of his truck.They were preparing a search warrant to look at his truck.

It could be interpreted to mean that by doing background checks, motorvehicle checks--they knew he had a truck. Where was it ? What was his explanation for it ? Probably one of the things that made them begin to look at him as a suspect. OR

After they found the body, they confiscated the pick up, which he had driven to the field with the search party,to search for evidence.

Any other guesses ?

[Jess]

Nope - don't mind the questions at all. I'm turning to Global Edmonton to listen to their reporters take on the news conference.

[Mygirlsadie]

Scott, I can handle... but if there's a Jackie up here ~ I'm leaving! :snooty:
LMAO :laugh:

[Jess]

Global Edmonton --5pm newscast

ONLY things that are new

Michael White's troubled past with the military
1997- armored crewman
released in Nov 2002--courtmartialed
21 counts of theft- computers, tools pleaded guilty
used financial troubles as a motive in 2002

Letting him go on air was part of the Police investigative strategy
motive -- still working on it
again bringing up Scott Peterson case

[Mygirlsadie]

I thought of Mark Hacking as well. However, I noticed in the family picture of them when he was smiling he looked like a very very chubby SP (minus the hair and wearing a hat). I guess we can call him Scott Hacking or Mark Peterson, eh? :crazy:

hehe yea I like that! Or how about we can just call them LOSER!! :loser: :loser:

[spygirl]

Thanks for the updates gals.... you're really on top of it. Hopefully we'll see a forum.

I'm still baffled about the 2nd degree charge. I wonder if more charges are possible, or if it's too late since he's been charged already.

[Margie123]

Thanks for the updates gals.... you're really on top of it. Hopefully we'll see a forum.

I'm still baffled about the 2nd degree charge. I wonder if more charges are possible, or if it's too late since he's been charged already.The second degree charge could have been simply to hold him. I believe they can change it later if they need to.

[spygirl]

Global Edmonton --5pm newscast

ONLY things that are new

Michael White's troubled past with the military
1997- armored crewman
released in Nov 2002--courtmartialed
21 counts of theft- computers, tools pleaded guilty
used financial troubles as a motive in 2002

Letting him go on air was part of the Police investigative strategy
motive -- still working on it
again bringing up Scott Peterson case21 COUNTS?? :doh:

If he pulled that here, he'd still be in Levenworth (our military prison).

[Casshew]

G
released in Nov 2002--courtmartialed
21 counts of theft- computers, tools pleaded guilty
used financial troubles as a motive in 2002
His family must be so proud :rolleyes:

[concernedperson]

Well, there you go a motive. Neatly wrapped up. But she is still dead. How does second degree murder come into this instead of first degree? This hurts to know that someone's life is so invaluable. I truly believe with what we have learned this is first degree murder.

[spygirl]

Well, there you go a motive. Neatly wrapped up. But she is still dead. How does second degree murder come into this instead of first degree? This hurts to know that someone's life is so invaluable. I truly believe with what we have learned this is first degree murder.I think so too, CP.

:mad:

[newtv]

Well, there you go a motive. Neatly wrapped up. But she is still dead. How does second degree murder come into this instead of first degree? This hurts to know that someone's life is so invaluable. I truly believe with what we have learned this is first degree murder.
yep I agree with all of you on this one-he used financial struggles as an excuse to explain his crimes..it is not much of a leap to suggest he used it this time as a means to an end. What a total loser and I wonder if she or her family even knew about these things.
Remember all the stuff of hacking and peckerson..all the stuff no one even knew about??
I wont be surprised to hear this is once again the case.

[Jess]

They were married in 2000 in Edmonton ( they met in a bar). He was courtmartialed in 2002--surely she knew why ? He entered the military in 1997 in Edmonton.

[lostfaith]

I think they mean that he left HIS truck where the body was found, He was part of the search team that found her, right?

We did have a couple hot days last week, nothing extreme though.
I also believe that he must have done something to her body to try and hide her identity and probably some evidence.I don't know how many details LE will give us, they try and keep everything so darn secretive here!

I will try and find out where condolences can be sent, and or some website and I will get back to you.

This is terrible :( Liana's Mom is reported as not doing well :( how sad , to think they let him stay at their house, believing his lies, all the while he new exactly where Liana was! just like Scott Peterson :furious:

I just thought of something. Maybe he drove that truck to the search area the day they found her, left it there because someone else drove him where ever after she was found, then he was arrested and the police went back to get his truck.

[newtv]

They were married in 2000 in Edmonton ( they met in a bar). He was courtmartialed in 2002--surely she knew why ? He entered the military in 1997 in Edmonton.
I did not know the dates -but remember- hackings wife knew him all his life and she didnt know he wasnt a student. But you are likely right as he may have had to be in court and she would know that much..(military court).

[cosmos33]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.

[karmarama]

I just thought of something. Maybe he drove that truck to the search area the day they found her, left it there because someone else drove him where ever after she was found, then he was arrested and the police went back to get his truck.
Yes! that's what I was trying to say! LOL
I surely do not want to confuse anyone, sorry guys!

I contacted global news and asked about sending cards and well wishes...

Lynda Steel wrote me back right away! she said " your best bet is to contact Edmonton Police media department" or wait for the obit in the paper and send them though the funeral directors.

[cosmos33]

"Campeau said she was seen just before midnight last Monday by someone other than White, about seven hours before the SUV was reported in the parking lot."

National Post weblink: http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=7114d81c-a70f-46af-b6d1-c77e23eb3845

fourth last paragraph of the article.

[cosmos33]

Campeau as in Edmonton Police Det. Michael Campeau

[Schmerty_Jones]

I was hoping against hope..that another pregnant young woman would not be murdered by her husband. Prayers for Lianna's family & her sweet little daughter. Is that why as children we dream of monsters?? There sure are enough around & there is nothing 2nd degree about their crimes. :mad:

[Casshew]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.
Hi cosmos.. welcome to Websleuths :)

How did you find us? just by searching the web?

[newtv]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.
welcome and thanku for the info-great to have u here.

[newtv]

Just found out Lianna met with someone at midnight only 7 hrs prior to her vehicle being first reported (will get link). I'm a newbie. Just really appreciate what all of you have been doing in keeping one another - us - informed. I live in Edmonton and it is hard to get much information due to the LE wanting to make sure there are no loopholes the defence lawyer can use to prevent the accused from being properly charged.A segment is coming up in a 4 minutes on my vancouver news channel-they have interviewed neighbors-Ill let u know what is said if anything.
Thanks for clearing the truck thing up and I wonder who she was seeing at midnight-maybe she had worked an afternoon shift?

[cosmos33]

Hey thanks casshew (may I call you cashewfor short) You bet. Google. Sometimes I find things posted here well before I've come across the link. What I like about your site as well is that while it can be frustrating when the media are saying so little (aside: I suspect the EPD have an agreement with them on that so they can attempt to establish a local jury without prejudice) at least here you can voice your opinions or hear your opinions voiced by others and get a sense of how valid they are through the discussion. Just reading the news is quite limiting.

[concernedperson]

I was hoping against hope..that another pregnant young woman would not be murdered by her husband. Prayers for Lianna's family & her sweet little daughter. Is that why as children we dream of monsters?? There sure are enough around & there is nothing 2nd degree about their crimes. :mad:

Ditto. I dreamed of octupus as a young child and can still recall those dreams.

[cosmos33]

Thanks newtv, glad to be on board =) Looking forward to your t.v. reports. I don't get t.v. reception here and I'll be danged if I'm going to pay for cable lol!

[newtv]

Hey thanks casshew (may I call you cashewfor short) You bet. Google. Sometimes I find things posted here well before I've come across the link. What I like about your site as well is that while it can be frustrating when the media are saying so little (aside: I suspect the EPD have an agreement with them on that so they can attempt to establish a local jury without prejudice) at least here you can voice your opinions or hear your opinions voiced by others and get a sense of how valid they are through the discussion. Just reading the news is quite limiting.
hey cosmos-we call her worse things than casshew so I am sure its ok..lol

[newtv]

autopsy is continuing..very few clothes on- violent struggle - nothing new so far..but maybe the neighbors will have something to say-they had him on the list of who dun it before his plea-truck impounded to look for evidence..

[AlohaGal]

<i>...White, 28, spoke of the umbrella of suspicion he's been under since his wife Liana disappeared a week ago.
He said he was tired of being compared to killers like Scott Peterson - a man whose name he hadn't heard before last week.
"I want people to know she was an outstanding person who contributed to the community," he said on Sunday. ....</i>

+Lost the Link, Sorry+
And what does this have to do with him not being involved with his wife's disappearance?
ScottSpeak? PetersonSpeak?

[newtv]

-white grew up near toronto -
neighbors say normal and happy life
neighbors are saying its just a sad tragedy
they are now comparing this to hacking and peckerson
they are doing the mens tearful pleas one after another..

Not one new thing gang.

[Casshew]

hey cosmos-we call her worse things than casshew so I am sure its ok..lol
http://www.casshew.com/glare.gif


(LOL)

[cosmos33]

hey cosmos-we call her worse things than casshew so I am sure its ok..lol oh man! I meant to say can may I call you 'cash' good heavens! It's been one long day:doh:

[Jess]

Global National - 6:30 newscast


Michael White
-dishonourable activity within the military
-9 counts of theft
-12 counts of possession
-fined $3 000

- from Mar or Mars, Ontario - in the Georgian Bay area

[TisHerself]

What I would really like to do is sit down with these guys and ask them "now seriously do you really think you were going to get away with this?"
When White said he was going to have his own search I said to my son watch this he is going to find the body. Could you get any dumber?
I feel so sorry for little Ashley what a lousy hand to be dealt.

[cosmos33]

And the familes of both Liana and Mike. The mothers are the only ones I've heard about. They must be devastated

[newtv]

Global National - 6:30 newscast


Michael White
-dishonourable activity within the military
-9 counts of theft
-12 counts of possession
-fined $3 000

- from Mar or Mars, Ontario - in the Georgian Bay area
I think we watched the same one.

[Casshew]

oh man! I meant to say can may I call you 'cash' good heavens! It's been one long day:doh:
Just try not to call me one of these http://www.casshew.com/donkey.gif

[cosmos33]

Too funny =)
So cash it is. No visa ;-)

[Casshew]

Too funny =)
So cash it is. No visa ;-)
We take PayPaul too (it's like PayPal but goes straight to my hubby Paul) :innocent:

So back to Liana's little girl Ashley.... do we know if she is with Liana's family? or the SOB's family?

[cosmos33]

We take PayPaul too (it's like PayPal but goes straight to my hubby Paul) :innocent:

So back to Liana's little girl Ashley.... do we know if she is with Liana's family? or the SOB's family? Earlier today Det Campeau told the media he believed the baby was with Liana's mom. More than that I haven't heard. [hmmm just one vowel and he could be a very rich man!]

[blueclouds]

We take PayPaul too (it's like PayPal but goes straight to my hubby Paul) :innocent:

So back to Liana's little girl Ashley.... do we know if she is with Liana's family? or the SOB's family?

Ashley is in "custody" of Liana's mother. I do not know if it is formal custody or Michael gave her to her or Social Services decided or what. I dunno. If it's not formal custody, I have no doubt that she'll file within a day or so to make it legal. Otherwise any family member can lay claim to her.

I've been at my sisters since my help wasn't required so I didn't check in here. I have no further updates other than a late night call the other night and then I assumed it was Liana. I cannot believe this. What a freaking a#@#####!!!! Just absolutely amazes me that these men think they can get away with it. Idiots.

[spygirl]

Is that why as children we dream of monsters??Notice in children's fairy tales, there's usually no mother (figure).

[spygirl]

:laugh:....peckerson....LOL!!

:behindbar

[sugar]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

[Casshew]

Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent
If he confessed, would you change your mind?

[desert]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.
Yep, Scott Peterson is innocent of being a decent person, no doubt.

[spygirl]

Oh goody!!!

:D

[KrazyKollector]

Jess, casshew, newtv and blueclouds--

Thank you for all the information and updates that you have been posting here. I had a sad feeling it was going to end like this. Just too much staging done at the scene.

I wonder who she was with that Monday late-night? Not Michael....
Maybe she was meeting someone from an abuse hotline or a counsellor?

It does seem to narrow when it all happened that night.


Again, thank you dear ones up north for all your information sharing.

My prayers and thoughts are with Liana's daughter and her family.

For Michael--:razz::furious: :behindbar :behindbar :furious::razz:

[Alta]

Detective Campeau was quite clear, I thought, that it was because of decomposition , that made it necessary to use dental records. He also said she was not fully clothed. Doesn't sound burned to me.
Just thinking aloud, back off to my corner.

[Jess]

Alta

Sorry if it came off that way. I have been concentrating so hard on trying to get th einfo on here and I'm tired !!!
My apologies!!!

[SewingDeb]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

Are you on the jury, Sugar?

[spygirl]

Are you on the jury, Sugar?I don't think she knows where to find this thread SD, because it was moved from the LP forum, starting with her post.

[Casshew]

I don't think she knows where to find this thread SD, because it was moved from the LP forum, starting with her post.
This is not necessarily a bad thing :crazy:

[mysteriew]

Ok, Theory

a-hole is out and his truck breaks down. He calls Liana to come get him. She stops for gas or waves to a neighbor on her way (midnight witness). She picks him up. It is late, she is tired, maybe he was drinking or whatever. They argue and he hits her, killing her. He panics, carries her body to where she was found and drives her vehicle home. At home he is panicking. He needs an alibi. So he drives her vehicle to where it was found and stages what he thinks will look like a struggle. He then walks home and waits for a call about her not showing up for work. Instead, the witnesses start calling police first, re: the vehicle. He had already thought of his alibi- he was asleep when she left. So when police call, he gives him the rehearsed alibi, not knowing what time the witnesses called about the vehicle.
That would explain the second degree charge, as the murder occurred in the heat of the moment (during the argument). Indignty to a body was probably because he undressed her, if she was found in street wear, that would kill his alibi that she left for work as normal. He may not have thought that LE would notice a beatup old truck near the scene, as long as it wasn't right at the scene. Or maybe he was trying to think of a way to go back and get it, while they were searching for her- but didn't have a chance.

[SewingDeb]

I don't think she knows where to find this thread SD, because it was moved from the LP forum, starting with her post.

Thanks. I shouldn't have asked anyway. :)

[spygirl]

Ok, Theory

a-hole is out and his truck breaks down. He calls Liana to come get him. She stops for gas or waves to a neighbor on her way (midnight witness). She picks him up. It is late, she is tired, maybe he was drinking or whatever. They argue and he hits her, killing her. He panics, carries her body to where she was found and drives her vehicle home. At home he is panicking. He needs an alibi. So he drives her vehicle to where it was found and stages what he thinks will look like a struggle. He then walks home and waits for a call about her not showing up for work. Instead, the witnesses start calling police first, re: the vehicle. He had already thought of his alibi- he was asleep when she left. So when police call, he gives him the rehearsed alibi, not knowing what time the witnesses called about the vehicle.
That would explain the second degree charge, as the murder occurred in the heat of the moment (during the argument). Indignty to a body was probably because he undressed her, if she was found in street wear, that would kill his alibi that she left for work as normal. He may not have thought that LE would notice a beatup old truck near the scene, as long as it wasn't right at the scene. Or maybe he was trying to think of a way to go back and get it, while they were searching for her- but didn't have a chance.Look out, Anne Rule!

[Jess]

Ok, Theory

a-hole is out and his truck breaks down. He calls Liana to come get him. She stops for gas or waves to a neighbor on her way (midnight witness). She picks him up. It is late, she is tired, maybe he was drinking or whatever. They argue and he hits her, killing her. He panics, carries her body to where she was found and drives her vehicle home. At home he is panicking. He needs an alibi. So he drives her vehicle to where it was found and stages what he thinks will look like a struggle. He then walks home and waits for a call about her not showing up for work. Instead, the witnesses start calling police first, re: the vehicle. He had already thought of his alibi- he was asleep when she left. So when police call, he gives him the rehearsed alibi, not knowing what time the witnesses called about the vehicle.
That would explain the second degree charge, as the murder occurred in the heat of the moment (during the argument). Indignty to a body was probably because he undressed her, if she was found in street wear, that would kill his alibi that she left for work as normal. He may not have thought that LE would notice a beatup old truck near the scene, as long as it wasn't right at the scene. Or maybe he was trying to think of a way to go back and get it, while they were searching for her- but didn't have a chance.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Mabel]

Of course I don't know if your scenario is correct or not, mysteriew, but it sure ties all the pieces together in a logical way. It'll be interesting to find out how close you've come to the real story.

[Mabel]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.

Sugar, where have you been? We spent so much time gathering the info you asked for on the Peterson thread but you forgot to come back. :waitasec:

[Casshew]

Of course I don't know if your scenario is correct or not, mysteriew, but it sure ties all the pieces together in a logical way. It'll be interesting to find out how close you've come to the real story.
I agree... it makes total sense.. like a movie of the week.

It is sad to think that if this scenario is close to what happened... Liana brought Ashley out with her to meet A-hole and was there when her Mom was killed. :(

[lauriej]

I am still puzzled by this too - it has to be something bigger than just moving the body-it has been suggested she was burned-if so that explains why she was so decomposed (or is a week enough to destroy all paths to cause of death)..
They know there were signs of a struggle but not when or how she died-doesnt make sense to me?
I suppose he could have beheaded her and the head is missing- if he were to have shot her..that type of thing-but we will have to wait and see- I hunch it will be sealed till the court proceedings begin.
...........i haven't read all of this thread and so may be repeating but......

...i saw the press conference...and he was quite clear in stating that the 2nd charge , "offering an indignity to a human body" was because the body had been moved to the field.......it is illegal to move a dead body anywhere.......

...also, he said dental records were used for a positive ID , due to decomp, ( therefore her head was still present )and that the cause of death was still unknown, ( for certain ) awaiting the m.e.'s assessment......

[adnoid]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty...I think Scott Peterson is innocent...

You contradict yourself.

[adnoid]

Okay.. that dream is scarier than me doing Cardoza

I hope you mean it's scarier than your DREAM of doing Cardoza.

[newtv]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.could we try to keep this about lianna -and not bring anything negative to the memory of laci-scott was found guilty-there are plenty of places to discuss him- this happens to be a thread about a woman killed in very much the same situation as laci.
This is not a place to support scott - (or any convicted wife and baby killers), The fact is he is guilty in the eyes of the law so thats what we know for sure. That is whats true-let Laci and Lori and now Liana rest in peace.

[newtv]

http://www.casshew.com/glare.gif


(LOL)
rofl- that is too funny cass- I really enjoy your humor-thanks for making me laugh from the belly tonight.

[newtv]

What I would really like to do is sit down with these guys and ask them "now seriously do you really think you were going to get away with this?"
When White said he was going to have his own search I said to my son watch this he is going to find the body. Could you get any dumber?
I feel so sorry for little Ashley what a lousy hand to be dealt.aint that the truth?

added- the only upside to this if u can call it that - is the little girl is still young and maybe with the love of the grandparents she has a chance at a happy life - she might not even remember her dad in 10 years.

[Bobbisangel]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.



It is innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW..... BUT we are not a part of the court or jury and so we can have whatever opinion we want to have whether we have all of the evidence or not.

[newtv]

:rolleyes: I know........it really just blows my mind that some idiot actually thought by changing it up a bit (not using water as a disposal site)........he looked less obvious. And just when he thought they weren't going to find her, he decided to move things along and point 'his' group in the right direction............:doh:

But this is Canada so he'll be looking at 5 years in a cushy resort for offing his wife and unborn child.......... (no offense to Canada):blowkiss:
It wont be that pretty- and it will be more like 10-14 years I would think- but I know what u are saying..its not like the hard time in SQ. Nice to see ya over here.

[Jovin]

True enough....

I wanted to point out the very rare references the Canadian media makes to Scott Peterson. We're just so isolated up here in the frigid north.

Alien-Daddy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Jovin43/Canadianhello.gif

I'm on the border, and mostly feel more American than Canadian (as far as my news coverage is concerned.) My closest tv stations are those in Buffalo, and Hamilton Ontario is the second closest. I rarely listen to Canadian news, and don't even get my local paper. (It sucks!)

So, I'm on the net, and on MSNBC, FOX NEWS, AND CNN (last resort) for my news. AND TRUST ME....IT'S ANYTHING BUT FRIGID WHERE I AM!! I'm sure you must be having similar temps, but haven't checked lately...we're in the high nineties most days with humidity on top of that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Jovin43/Jovineh2.jpg

[Bobbisangel]

I'm still confused about his truck. The way I understood it was that he drove his pickup while searching for Lianna. He was with the other searchers that came upon her body. 911 was called and when the LE came they arrested the husband and then put a tarp over his truck and towed it to police impound so that it could be searched. I didn't get the idea that he left his truck at the scene when he dumped her body.

I wonder if she met with someone before midnight or was just seen by someone else. I'm surprised that she was still up at midnight. She has to get up really early for work and then being 4 months pregnant you still get really tired.

I wonder where he murdered her. It sounds like the first time they went through the house they didn't notice anything out of order. But then they went back and really gave it the once over...spent a couple days didn't they?
That is when this creep stayed with his in-laws. It makes sense to me that the house is where the murder took place. He must not have shot her or used a knife because that would have been obvious. If they have been unable to tell without an autopsy then it must have been smothering or strangulation. The guy is a big thick guy and probably has hands like two hams. I'm glad that she put up a struggle. That way there is DNA under the fingernails and I'll bet he had some scratches somewhere on his body.

By her body not being fully clothed it says to me that he was staging another scene. There is no reason for her not to be clothed otherwise unless her clothing got torn during the struggle.

I wonder if we will ever know what actually happened....what started the fight and what made Michael think that his financial situation...if that was the problem.... would better itself if Lianna was dead? Did he mean to kill her or did a fight just get way out of hand? Questions questions.

[lauriej]

:rolleyes: I know........it really just blows my mind that some idiot actually thought by changing it up a bit (not using water as a disposal site)........he looked less obvious. And just when he thought they weren't going to find her, he decided to move things along and point 'his' group in the right direction............:doh:

But this is Canada so he'll be looking at 5 years in a cushy resort for offing his wife and unborn child.......... (no offense to Canada):blowkiss:The maximum penalties for murder are:


first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)
manslaughter - maximum life imprisonment
infanticide - maximum 5 years imprisonment
There is a clause where persons convicted of multiple murder, and deemed unable for rehabilitation, to be declared a 'dangerous offender' upon examination of doctors and psychiatrists (usually for sexually related murder). Persons declared as dangerous offenders have an undetermined prison sentence, although it usually means an increase of 10 years (possibly to 35 or more years).
.......i disagree with you on that one.........although we don't have SQ...or the DP.....we don't sentence our convicted murderers to 5 years at a "cushy resort"...

[txsvicki]

It is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and I cannot form an opinion until I hear the evidence. Yes I think Scott Peterson is innocent but I never thought Mark Hacking was although I reserved my opinion until I had proof.


I hope you don't feel the same way about child molesters. Too many criminals literally get away with murder because of the slack laws in this country as it is. To me, since I'm not on a jury, getting arrested proves to me that there is guilt. Let the arrested person prove themself innocent. It's not like they will be promptly locked up or put to death for even first degree murder.

[lauriej]

I hope you don't feel the same way about child molesters. Too many criminals literally get away with murder because of the slack laws in this country as it is. To me, since I'm not on a jury, getting arrested proves to me that there is guilt. Let the arrested person prove themself innocent. It's not like they will be promptly locked up or put to death for even first degree murder.
........although.......since this began talking about sp...........i'm 110% convinced of his guilt.........may he rot in SQ...

...to me, 'getting arrested' doesn't prove guilt in the least.........it only means that LE has some cause for arrest/further questioning.............personally i'm thankful that we've evolved to a day where it's "innocent until proven guilty"............if all persons arested had to prove themselves innocent............i cannot imagine......

...is michael white guilty? from what we've heard..........looks like it........

...is everyone who has ever been arrested guilty ? i personally doubt it.........just looking at the number of convicted people who have been released based on new dna evidence...

...LE are just people as we are...........they're right...they're wrong...the way i see it, it has to be innocent until there's absolute proof...

[cosmos33]

I'm still confused about his truck .... I didn't get the idea that he left his truck at the scene when he dumped her body....
I think you are right about that bobbisangel. Though it's hard to know for certain how accurate the news postings are, here's one from yesterday (Tuesday's) Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050719.wxmissing19/BNStory/National/

that states "There are outstanding liens on their two vehicles, a 1991 Chevrolet GMT-400 and the 1991 Ford Explorer."

If this is accurate I don't believe they had more than one vehicle each. Otherwise I think it would have said "... on two of their vehicles".

[newtv]

Perhaps this will help Scott's fans to see the truth. Men do kill their pregnant wives, and for very little reason.


Nah.........
hi mabel- for sure- I am so unsympathetic to those who dont see them as guilty even after convicted.

[lauriej]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories

Detective Michael Campeau told a Tuesday afternoon news conference that the body was decomposing, thus there is a delay in determining cause of death. But he said there were signs on her body of a violent struggle before she died.
Earlier Tuesday, Michael White appeared in court and reserved plea on charges of second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

The second charge was laid, Campeau said, because the body was "found in a rural area, disposed of improperly."

[newtv]

I am proud to be a Canadian and for the most part I am proud of our justice system. It works most of the time and laws cannot be written for extremes alone. The only way anyone is safe from persecution is if we all start out with the same freedoms.

I love my American cousins but I am proud we maintain our distinct cultural differences. I remain loyal to my country and government even in the bad times, not just when everything works smoothly. I choose to put my Country and its values first. If the rest of the world doesnt like it, I dont apologise for canada.

Every country has its own ways of being in the global world. We are doing something right because we continue to win top honors as a country to live in. We are warmly welcomed almost everywhere, (less so in the USA since the war in Iraq-which I am proud we stayed out of). I am no less patriotic than anyone else in the world and I will never put my country down for being the civilized Nation it is.

Everyone has a chance here and sadly there is a dark side to all democratic justice systems. I agree to tighten the laws on murderers, sex offenders, and all evil, but I know we need to do that by pulling together not putting our country down for