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Daisy
07-19-2005, 10:19 AM
I was following the Liana White thread (thanks to all of you who have kept us up-to-date on that). I was wondering if there have been any further developments, any news, etc.

Thanks in advance!

PrayersForMaura
07-19-2005, 10:32 AM
I was following the Liana White thread (thanks to all of you who have kept us up-to-date on that). I was wondering if there have been any further developments, any news, etc.

Thanks in advance!
Autopsy is being done this morning at 9am, last I heard.
There's a few new posts in the discussion thread.
I, too, have been following this case, and unfortunately as many of us suspected, the husband has been arrested. :(

Daisy
07-19-2005, 10:58 AM
I have missed completely everything on this! I didn't know she had been found nor that her husband has been arrested! Do you have any links to media coverage on this that I can read?

BTW, thanks for responding!

PS: I'll peek in at the discussion thread as well. Thanks!

Mellen
07-19-2005, 11:01 AM
The thread has been moved to the Missing/Located Discussion Forum.

Daisy
07-19-2005, 11:06 AM
Thanks! Found it! PrayersForMaura - so far they've got some good media links there...I'll snoop around there. Thanks again, you guys!

CW
07-22-2005, 01:17 PM
Continue on :-)

PrayersForMaura
07-22-2005, 01:51 PM
Windchime ... I like your Minnie Mouse! Are you getting married?? I would assume that is why you're counting days and if so, congrats to you!!! :)

spygirl
07-22-2005, 01:56 PM
Ok -- I want to pose this question again: If Liana's body is too decomposed to determine a cause of death, then how can her body show signs of a struggle?

And based on this info, how did LE come up with a charge of 2nd degree? I'm thinking that Michael spilled some details, and LE based the charge on that. He probably made up some big sob story about what happened.

Should be interesting to see if he pleads guilty/not guilty.

Also, Jess's news conference post is a helpful reference; I bumped it up on the last page of part 3.

CaribouKid
07-22-2005, 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by PrayersForMaura
The "wounds so tiny" thing bugs me too.
And the fact that her body must have realy been decomposing if dental records had to be used to identify her.

I am speculating that the wounds so tiny, refers to strangulation marks on the neck which after rigormortus and extreme decomposation, shows up as tiny prick marks.

What bugs me is the comment, that other wounds possibly did not attribute to death, which wants me to think, it was of a sexual nature to look like a sexual predator.

newtv
07-22-2005, 03:38 PM
Ok -- I want to pose this question again: If Liana's body is too decomposed to determine a cause of death, then how can her body show signs of a struggle?

And based on this info, how did LE come up with a charge of 2nd degree? I'm thinking that Michael spilled some details, and LE based the charge on that. He probably made up some big sob story about what happened.

Should be interesting to see if he pleads guilty/not guilty.

Also, Jess's news conference post is a helpful reference; I bumped it up on the last page of part 3.I agree- the first thing that comes to my mind as I think about this is if the body was so decomposed and there were tiny marks and so on- he had to have thought about this ahead of time..how do you hatch such an elaborate-fool proof cover up without having a criminal mind? How do you go thru thre motions of grief and shock and anger if you had not premeditated how to get away with a murder?
I do not understand anyone getting second degree murder if they engage in an elaborate coverup-right there it tells me something about the persons ability and intention to deceive.
How do you pull off a perfect "cover-up" (so that you cannot be charged with a type of murder), if you have never thought ahead how to do that?
I know what everyone will be saying..he is guilty of a first degree coverup not first degree murder..but still I wouldnt know how to do it without research..
I hope they find a way to throw the book at this guy and lock him up for many years to come.

As Caas said, the creep should come clean and stop playing games so that the family can know what the hey happened and begin to heal. I bet he is counting on convincing a jury he did not do it.

newtv
07-22-2005, 03:42 PM
Police stymied by cause of death..they may never know.
EDMONTON -- An important piece of the puzzle in the death of a pregnant Edmonton woman may never fall into place for investigators.

Despite further tests by the city's medical examiner, police admitted yesterday they may never know exactly what killed Liana White, 29, whose badly decomposed body was found in a ditch northwest of the city last weekend.


http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Londo...142032-sun.html (http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2005/07/22/1142032-sun.html)
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Originally Posted by Jess
These are just notes on the news conference. I am typing as they speak.
Detective Michael Campeau-- lead investigator

confirms it is Liana White
cannot give a time of death
cannot charge a person in Canada with the death of an unborn child
EDP had never gone to the house before
no criminal record
record with the military
media - put investigation under stress
there has been a policeman working on this file - every single minute
will not comment where the murder was committed
preliminary search of the house - found nothing
cause of death is undetermined
state of decomposition --more tests must be done
body shows signs of a struggle
they always knew where he was when he was searching
half ton truck - removed from scene-- vehicle left where her body found
financial difficulties
comments on tv -- out of the norm of a way a suspect acts
no polygraph
she was not fully clothed
person of interest- from the get go -- look at the family first- not as a suspect - later on in the week he became one
search warrants being prepared for financial situation
Both families - are devestated
tragic for both families
Liana's mom is not doing well at all-- thinks she has custody of Ashley
second time in house - forensic team has over 150 exhibits - at the house, SUV,field
house was pristine - not a red flag
2nd degree - no evidence of any planning
Sunday night-- he was arrested - lawyer caution/rights just after 4
He exercised those rights
murder took place between the 11th and the 12th
timeframe - times are different between him and the witnesses
last seen by ? ( someone else) at midnight
no evidence of any other person involved
paternity not questioned
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Liana White will be buried on Wednesday, July 27th. the Royal Alex has set up a trust fund for Ashley. Donations may be made at any TD branch

Global Morning News
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Originally Posted by Casshew
New article this morning...not much new info...

http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/...mily_050718.jpg (http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20050718/160_white_family_050718.jpg)

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...?hub=TopStories (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1121771077940_2/?hub=TopStories)

Look at that sweet baby Ashley... now without a Mother and a murderer for a Dad :mad:
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newtv
07-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Continue on :-)
thanks windchime-hope you dont mind but I brought over some of the posts from just this am so we have them on this thread-since we will likely be here for a few days and its hard to go back and find things once a new part is started.

Et al
07-22-2005, 04:52 PM
Liana's obituary (http://www.legacy.com/can-edmonton/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=14603469)

Please add a note of condolence if you wish. Her family is having a very hard time and any support would be nice.

:blowkiss:

newtv
07-22-2005, 05:03 PM
Liana's obituary (http://www.legacy.com/can-edmonton/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=14603469)

Please add a note of condolence if you wish. Her family is having a very hard time and any support would be nice.

:blowkiss:
done- thx:)

Casshew
07-22-2005, 05:58 PM
Thats a really nice photo of Liana on the obituary page.

I hope Mike White does the right thing and pleads guilty :behindbar

newtv
07-22-2005, 08:14 PM
Thats a really nice photo of Liana on the obituary page.

I hope Mike White does the right thing and pleads guilty :behindbar
that would be the decent thing to do-but something tells me that if he was going to be decent she wouldnt be dead..and if he was going to be decent after the death he would have called 911 and been a man..however, maybe if the families put emotional pressure on him or he is offered a deal he wll.

Casshew
07-22-2005, 08:26 PM
that would be the decent thing to do-but something tells me that if he was going to be decent she wouldnt be dead..and if he was going to be decent after the death he would have called 911 and been a man..however, maybe if the families put emotional pressure on him or he is offered a deal he wll.
Well it happened with Mark Hacking... so I am crossing my fingers for Mike White, hopefully he is clost to his family and they talk to him. Besides he is in Canada and chances are he will walk free again one day :bang:

CaribouKid
07-22-2005, 10:28 PM
"He was arrested at the scene shortly afterwards and formally charged with his wife's death Monday afternoon."http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=5bec67ca-b09d-41ab-a382-4c3dc4c013e5

I never knew, he was arrested at the scene.
I wonder with a combination of phsyical and mental exhaustion and the site of his poor wifes decompsition, he started babbling on the spot.

newtv
07-23-2005, 02:10 AM
Well it happened with Mark Hacking... so I am crossing my fingers for Mike White, hopefully he is clost to his family and they talk to him. Besides he is in Canada and chances are he will walk free again one day :bang:
totally agree with your hope..and i hope so too

CyberLaw
07-23-2005, 11:22 AM
From a legal point of view, a person usually does not plead guilty to a crime, they take their chances with a jury. People who murder usually are not ethical people.

Especially with a crime that has a minimum of 25 years in Prison.

With all of the circumstances surrounding the death of his wife, there will be a lot of unanswered questions. No weapon, other suspects, reasonable doubt, cause of death, timeline, etc. Even if the Crown has as strong case, the defendant rolls the dice,what does he have to lose.

I would be SHOCKED if this man pleaded guilty. That would probably only happen with a plea bargain and a lesser parole period in exchange for.

Scott P did not plead guility and they only charged him with a crime(same as White) when LE positivly knows the person is dead.

If you don't have a body, the person is still missing and the defence will state: No one knows if this person is dead, they could be on a beach in Hawaii soaking up the sun, not wanting to be found.

With the finding of a body, a whole diffferent story...........

newtv
07-23-2005, 01:19 PM
From a legal point of view, a person usually does not plead guilty to a crime, they take their chances with a jury. People who murder usually are not ethical people.

Especially with a crime that has a minimum of 25 years in Prison.

With all of the circumstances surrounding the death of his wife, there will be a lot of unanswered questions. No weapon, other suspects, reasonable doubt, cause of death, timeline, etc. Even if the Crown has as strong case, the defendant rolls the dice,what does he have to lose.

I would be SHOCKED if this man pleaded guilty. That would probably only happen with a plea bargain and a lesser parole period in exchange for.

Scott P did not plead guility and they only charged him with a crime(same as White) when LE positivly knows the person is dead.

If you don't have a body, the person is still missing and the defence will state: No one knows if this person is dead, they could be on a beach in Hawaii soaking up the sun, not wanting to be found.

With the finding of a body, a whole diffferent story...........
we know all that - but thanks for telling us in case we didnt know..
Its not rocket science for a defendant to roll the nice vs confess..and I dont think he will either-but every once in awhile someone surprises us..and if he pleads out thats fine too - if it saves the families grief.

mysteriew
07-23-2005, 05:12 PM
Liana White's family and friends will say good-bye Wednesday, two weeks after the 29-year-old woman was first reported missing.

The funeral will be held at the Connelly McKinley funeral home chapel, and in lieu of flowers, the family is asking for donations to a trust fund for three-year-old Ashley White.

Friend Marina Perilli says donations can be made at any TD Canada Trust branch.

"It's going to be used for education, just to help raise Ashley," Perilli said. The toddler is staying with her maternal grandmother.

Thursday, the medical examiner said Liana White's body was too decomposed to pinpoint the exact cause of her death, but said there is enough evidence to call it "homicidal violence."

The medical examiner's office said the term "homicidal violence" was used to describe the cause of death because the body had severely decomposed, preventing an exact determination of how she died. As well, there were marks on her body that indicated she had been involved in a struggle before she died.

And no natural cause of death could be found.

"They could not specifically pinpoint the cause of death, other than as the result of violence," police spokesman Dean Parthenis said.http://calgary.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ca-white-funeral20050722

Donations continue to pour in for an Edmonton preschooler whose 29-year-old mother's body was found earlier this week.

Marina Perilli, a friend of Liana White, said yesterday the family is touched by the public's generosity.

In a statement she read on behalf of White's mother, Maureen Kelly, Perilli spoke of how a trust fund will benefit the slain woman's three-year-old daughter Ashley.

"Liana's friends' hearts go out to Ashley and the difficult life she will have because of the tragic loss of her mother and family as she knows it.

"Ashley is very young and will require many years of care and support. She is very fortunate that her grandmother is now providing care for her. However, friends of Liana understand the financial implications are significant both now and in the future.


"Any help will make a difference in the quality and care of Ashley."

Perilli said Ashley still hasn't been told of her mother's death, but is surrounded by caring individuals. "She's doing all right," she said.

In the days after White's death was confirmed, a number of businesses and organizations established funds for the little girl. http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/23/1144571-sun.html

mysteriew
07-23-2005, 05:15 PM
Vellacott continued, "This brutal crime highlights the need to address not only the inadequacy of our current criminal justice system, but also the huge social problem of violence against pregnant women." According to a March 2002 report by the Canadian Research Institute for the Advancement of Women, "abuse often begins or worsens during pregnancy, when a woman is most vulnerable, and most dependent on her partner's support."

Referring to another report published by the Canadian Perinatal Surveillance System in February 2004, Vellacott pointed out that women abused during pregnancy are four times more likely than other abused women to experience more serious violence, including being beaten up, choked, threatened with a gun/knife, or sexually assaulted. "We don't know at this point whether the motive for Liana's murder had anything to do with the fact that she was pregnant," Vellacott said, "but it is certainly something we cannot ignore." He referred to one study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in March 2001 which concluded that "a pregnant or recently pregnant woman is more likely to be a victim of homicide than to die of any other cause."
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05072205.html

The case of an Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has ignited a debate over whether Canada should make it a crime to kill unborn children.

Saskatchewan MP Maurice Vellacott will pursue a private member's bill to include a Criminal Code charge for murdering a wanted fetus, similar to a law enacted in the U.S. last year after California's high-profile Scott Peterson case.

His push for legal reform comes in the wake of the case of Michael White, who was charged with murdering his pregnant wife Liana.

Vellacott thinks White should be charged with double homicide, but under Canadian law there is no charge for killing an unborn child.

"The bizarre thing about the situation in Canada is that you can have a greater sanction against someone who has created some cruelty on an animal," he said. http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2005/07/23/1144572-sun.html

linnafay
07-23-2005, 06:14 PM
You would think if it was not premeditated, and killed her in a fit of passion then he would confess.

I betcha his lawyer is trying to keep him from confessing. Its really a shame because it would be the one good thing he could do to make this case move along quickly and give her family some semblance of peace.

It would also be good to know what it was that started it all and ended it all...the only one able to answer that is him.

CaribouKid
07-23-2005, 06:25 PM
It would also be good to know what it was that started it all and ended it all...the only one able to answer that is him.
I am hoping what they found at the house, revealed what it started over.

mysteriew
07-24-2005, 06:09 PM
Police say the fact they don't know exactly how a four-months pregnant Edmonton woman died doesn't weaken their homicide investigation.

The medical examiner could only rule the 29-year-old's death was a result of "homicidal violence'' because her remains were so badly decomposed. Investigators had to use dental records to identify her.

"It presents a whole different scenario for the medical examiner,'' said Edmonton police spokesman Dean Parthenis.

"We do have a cause of death. The M.E. has determined it's homicidal violence, just not a pinpoint.''

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122237015831_91/?hub=Canada

Casshew
07-24-2005, 06:17 PM
The medical examiner could only rule the 29-year-old's death was a result of "homicidal violence'' because her remains were so badly decomposed. Investigators had to use dental records to identify her.


I am really confused on the level of decomposition.. it was only a few days - less than a week (I think) how can she be is such poor condition?

angarella
07-25-2005, 09:58 AM
I am really confused on the level of decomposition.. it was only a few days - less than a week (I think) how can she be is such poor condition?

That's exactly what I was wondering too?:waitasec:

spygirl
07-25-2005, 10:48 AM
And yet her body still shows signs of a struggle.

Liana's funeral is scheduled for the 26th. Isn't that the same day as Michael's next court hearing?

Thanks to all for the continued updates. And I agree Cass -- that was a very pretty photo of Liana in her obituary.

Jess
07-25-2005, 10:54 AM
Michael White is to appear in court on Tuesday the 26th. Liana's funeral is Wednesday the 27th.

We are in the peak of our summer, lots of bugs, field animals and there was rain and a couple of hot days during the time she was left in the field.

spygirl
07-25-2005, 11:14 AM
Michael White is to appear in court on Tuesday the 26th. Liana's funeral is Wednesday the 27th.Thanks for clarifying.


We are in the peak of our summer, lots of bugs, field animals and there was rain and a couple of hot days during the time she was left in the field.Yes, I suppose my body would show signs of a struggle too.

newtv
07-25-2005, 07:09 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, I suppose my body would show signs of a struggle too.
Hi gang- good to see some new posts though I am aware nothing new has happened..I am sad to say her funeral is on my birthday-one more reason to hate it..

spygirl
07-25-2005, 11:28 PM
Hi gang- good to see some new posts though I am aware nothing new has happened..I am sad to say her funeral is on my birthday-one more reason to hate it..Aw, that is a real bummer. Yikes! I'm sorry, Newt.

:(

Bobbisangel
07-26-2005, 01:03 AM
I wonder if he strangled her which will burst the blood vessels in the whites of the eyes. There would also be a struggle. We will probably never know. If a knife is used aren't there usually nicks on bones? I guess it would depend where a person is stabbed though. Maybe we are better off not knowing.

Not knowing this guy it is hard to say whether he will plead or not. Mark Hacking was smart to plead guilty. There was so much evidence in Lori's murder. I agree that this guy's attorney is probably telling him to go with a jury. Wish we knew what evidence the LE has on him. I wonder what evidence was found at the scene. Maybe footprints or tire prints.

montana_16
07-26-2005, 02:53 AM
I wonder if she has his skin under her fingernails. That would probably be considered a sign of a struggle.

newtv
07-26-2005, 05:09 AM
Aw, that is a real bummer. Yikes! I'm sorry, Newt.

:(
u r 2 sweet:)
I'll live thru it..big smile

Casshew
07-26-2005, 06:50 AM
Well I hope Mike White has a real crappy day in Jail knowing his family & friends are gathering to pay honor to Liana and bury her with dignity.

:furious::behindbar:mad:

sandraladeda
07-26-2005, 11:18 AM
Accused Edmonton Man says he Didn't Kill his Wife

The Canadian Press

Tuesday July 26, 2005

An Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife says he is innocent and plans to plead not guilty to a charge of second-degree murder.
In an interview from his jail cell with radio station CHED on Monday, Michael White said being accused in the death of his wife, who was four months pregnant, has been a terrible experience.

He said he is not a violent man and is shocked that people think he might have committed the crime.


http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=00616817-5cbc-4a23-b92f-9b2060710a6b

© The Calgary Herald 2005

poco
07-26-2005, 11:23 AM
Doesn't anyone know what the evidence is that they have against him? I sure there must be some!

newtv
07-26-2005, 02:40 PM
Accused Edmonton Man says he Didn't Kill his Wife

The Canadian Press

Tuesday July 26, 2005

An Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife says he is innocent and plans to plead not guilty to a charge of second-degree murder.
In an interview from his jail cell with radio station CHED on Monday, Michael White said being accused in the death of his wife, who was four months pregnant, has been a terrible experience.

He said he is not a violent man and is shocked that people think he might have committed the crime.


http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=00616817-5cbc-4a23-b92f-9b2060710a6b

© The Calgary Herald 2005
OH GREAT-another Scott Peterson..what a loser..be a man and admit to it-stop putting everyone thru hell. I wonder if this makes the family doubt the police.

Daisy
07-26-2005, 04:05 PM
Looks like this one will be going to trial as well.

CaribouKid
07-26-2005, 05:28 PM
Maybe footprints or tire prints.
He basically tainted the crime scene, where she was found. Any of these deceiving defense lawyers will get him off that.

I have gathered that he was basically arrested at the scene. This makes me believe that,they possibly found something at the house on their more thorough search and were hoping that he would continue his ploy and lead them to the body. Easier to convict, that a murder has taken place, when you find the body.

The pin pricks that were revealed by the ME makes me want to believe, he had strangled after violently beating her.
Own hands=no murder weapon, persay.

I am hoping there is massive body fluids at the house, that were not cleaned up enough and this provides the link to her death, something that cannot be explained with lies.

In theory, he most likely disposed of her during the night, with limited light and possibly could have dropped something. Again, unless it was directly under the body, he could possibly swindle his way out of it.

CaribouKid
07-26-2005, 06:47 PM
More food for thought:

Not much to throw a guy in jail, but it does make you wonder.

Crime scene where vehicle was found, had scattered id cards, they lead North, which is the direction towards their house. Kind of stupid, but if he was walking/bicyling back to his house, in his stupidness, he scattered the items to appear to look like a robbery/abduction.
Using Google Earth and looking at the terrain, there appears to be a bicycle/trail that leads from the SUV scene, to almost his house, without having to use any roads at all, to get back to his house quickly and unseen.

Another item, that can be looked at, is the location of the body, if you look at the area, one of the main roads near his house can lead you almost in a straight line to the location of the body scene.

One other piece of information, I have gathered, one of Liana's/family friends also lives quite near the vincity of the body scene. So logically, if they had visited her, he would have been familiar to that road leading to the vicinity of the body scene.

If he felt, he was going to get away with it and for some reason, did not like this friend, a cruel symbolism with this body scene and near her friends residence, would haunt her forever, being so close to that scene.

I have a funny feeling, he did not like this friend and this gave him reason to dispose of her in that location.

newtv
07-27-2005, 02:17 AM
btw gang the girl missing in montreal was her own family..not holmoka

Edmonton man's court date put off
Edmonton — A court appearance for a man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has been put over to next week.
Michael White of Edmonton did not appear in court Tuesday to answer to charges of second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

His wife, Liana, who was four months pregnant, was reported missing by White earlier this month. Her badly decomposed body was found July 17 by a search team he was heading up.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...Story/National/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050726.wedmo0726/BNStory/National/)

karmarama
07-27-2005, 10:06 AM
Today will be a sad one in Edmonton :(


However, Wanted to wish you, newtv, a Happy Birthday! Hope you have a wonderful time :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/karmarama/rose_open_e0.gif

Karma.

blueclouds
07-27-2005, 04:41 PM
At supper with family last night, I found out my Aunt Elaine worked with Liana in the same neonatal unit at the Royal Alex Hospital and knew her very well. My cousin (her daughter Shauna) was there last night but not my aunt. How very sad. She was going to the funeral today apparently. If time awards me, I might take in this trial as much as possible. With the rotten Canadian laws, many trials are not allowed to report evidence given until AFTER the trial is over but hopefully I'll take in some days. He probably won't even have a date until next spring I think.

All around, what a freeking loser. :(

cosmos33
07-27-2005, 06:17 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/27/1149226-sun.html



Caught on Tape: Police Seize Video surveillance of Liana White's neighbourhood



Video surveillance taken from the neighbourhood where Liana White lived is being used by police as they continue their investigation into the pregnant woman's death.

Police are saying very little about the tapes, though the manager of a Dunluce-area pub says officers paid him a visit the day of White's disappearance to see what turned up on his security monitor.

"Something must have caught their fancy and they asked us to relinquish the tapes, which we did," said Richard Halabi, manager of Richard's Pub at 12150 161 Ave.

"I think from that tape they've concluded something was amiss."

Michael White, 28, is charged with second-degree murder and indignity to a dead body in the death of his 29-year-old wife, who was expecting her second child around Christmas.
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Liana White's abandoned vehicle was discovered in a soccer field parking lot around 7:30 a.m. on July 12. A volunteer search team organized by Michael found her body five days later at the side of a country road.

At the time of her disappearance, Michael told police his wife left for work at 6:15 a.m., while witnesses placed the car there as early as 5:50 a.m. He told the Sun later he could have been mistaken since he was asleep.

Halabi was not present as police reviewed the tape, but believes it includes footage of the Whites' vehicle driving along 161 Avenue toward the soccer field. He does not know what time the vehicle's image may have been captured.

The pub runs its tapes during the evening and throughout the night, he said.

Edmonton Police Service spokesman Lisa Lammi would not say if tapes were taken from other businesses.

"We have seized some security video but we're not at liberty to say where it was from," she said. "I don't know where (they were taken), what was contained on them or what they will serve."

As police continue their investigation today, friends and family of Liana White will say goodbye at the Connelly-McKinley funeral chapel at 10011 114 St. at 1:30 p.m. today.

There has been an outpouring of support for White's three-year-old daughter, Ashley, who is staying with her maternal grandmother, Maureen Kelly.

A fundraising benefit which includes live entertainment will be held at the Crown & Anchor Pub at 15277 Castle Downs Rd. on Aug. 12 and 13, beginning at 8 p.m.

Tickets are $5, and can be purchased in advance or at the door.

For more information, call the Crown & Anchor at 472-7696 or Steve Hartley, of the band Train Wreck, at 915-2530.

On Aug. 15, a barbecue will be held at the Dunluce Community League, at 11620 162 Ave., beginning at noon.

Michael White did not appear in person in provincial court yesterday, but his lawyer Larry Anderson was on hand to elect a jury trial on both charges.

The case returns to court Aug. 2, at which point the Crown is expected to disclose its evidence against White.

Anderson said that, despite Michael's stated wish to attend his wife's funeral today, it wasn't going to happen. "Bail's not an option (on a murder charge)," he said.

cosmos33
07-27-2005, 06:24 PM
:HappyBday

Hi Newtv,
Take care and take time - even if only a short while - to celebrate! Cosmos

concernedperson
07-27-2005, 06:26 PM
:HappyBday

Hi Newtv,
Take care and take time - even if only a short while - to celebrate! Cosmos
Ditto from me....your "old" buddy! :HappyBday

cosmos33
07-27-2005, 06:30 PM
Blue clouds, I'm sorry for your Aunt Elaine. And all those who are mourning today. Thankfully there is clearly so much to celebrate about Liana and the positive impact she has had on many many people that the community - both neighbourhood-wise and work-wise. I believe that people are feeling more hopeful in their grief because they are rallying to support one another and taking concrete action to show Liana that they loved her - by holding barbeques and pub nights to raise money in support of her little girl.

cosmos33
07-27-2005, 06:36 PM
I'm hoping that there will be enough info on the tapes that the accused will actually end up pleading guilty. I have a feeling the defense hasn't seen this evidence yet. Or would they have to have shown their evidence to them by now?

Though we haven't a clue as to what is on those tapes, someone on cybersleuths suggested "Won't it be something if the tape shows the husband driving the Ford Explorer to the empty parking lot, and long before 6:15 a.m." I agree. At the very least he'll have to do some fast talking (that won't be fast enough) to explain that scenario. :furious:

cosmos33
07-27-2005, 06:42 PM
Some words shared by different friends including the minister at today's funeral. Very tasteful.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/19/1138389-cp.html

CaribouKid
07-27-2005, 08:29 PM
I am hoping that he seen is walking or bicyling through the strip mall parking lot.
For ident purposes, this would be ideal, as spotting the driver of the SUV and its license plate on the main road would be more difficult and could be argued away.
As it would have been the lazy mans shortcut, than rather taking the long way around and when he is pressed for time, cutting thru the lot, would have been the way to go. Generally, security monitors are trained on the parking lot and main entrances but the parking lot would have wide angle shots.

blueclouds
07-27-2005, 09:20 PM
What an erie and sad similarity that Liana's baby was DUE AROUND XMAS. :( Remenicient of D.R.I.SP. I suppose Laci and Liana will have a lot in common.

linnafay
07-27-2005, 11:12 PM
btw gang the girl missing in montreal was her own family..
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...Story/National/[/url]

The Quebec girl was killed by a pro wrestler...and HIS family covered it up..not HER family.

newtv
07-29-2005, 01:05 AM
The Quebec girl was killed by a pro wrestler...and HIS family covered it up..not HER family.
My main point was that its not karla H..teale

but thx

newtv
07-29-2005, 01:06 AM
Today will be a sad one in Edmonton :(


However, Wanted to wish you, newtv, a Happy Birthday! Hope you have a wonderful time :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/karmarama/rose_open_e0.gif

Karma.thanku that is so kind of u:))):D:HappyBday

newtv
07-29-2005, 01:10 AM
:HappyBday

Hi Newtv,
Take care and take time - even if only a short while - to celebrate! Cosmos
OMG- i didnt check in till now and it is so kind that you wished me a HB..that makes it happy..so sorry I did not thanku sooner.

newtv
07-29-2005, 01:12 AM
Ditto from me....your "old" buddy! :HappyBday
thx my dear friend and concerned person for president..its kind and sweet to be acknowledged-thx so much.:))xoxox

newtv
07-29-2005, 01:15 AM
Some words shared by different friends including the minister at today's funeral. Very tasteful.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/19/1138389-cp.htmlthx alot for the info/link-its good to be able to feel part of it-this case has me feeling really sad for her and her family and for pregnant women..it just hurts to realize the devaluing of women that exists. It actually brings tears to my eyes-that could almost burdt out. I wish they would actually it feels good to cry and perge the negativity from within. It is caused by my sensitivity yet I have nothing to do with it..

lauriej
07-29-2005, 03:48 AM
Liana's obituary (http://www.legacy.com/can-edmonton/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=14603469)

Please add a note of condolence if you wish. Her family is having a very hard time and any support would be nice.

:blowkiss:
......i noticed that her husband's name isn't mentioned at all in the obituary..

linnafay
07-29-2005, 09:23 AM
......i noticed that her husband's name isn't mentioned at all in the obituary..


Didn't the same thing happen with Lori Hacking?

CaribouKid
07-29-2005, 05:19 PM
......i noticed that her husband's name isn't mentioned at all in the obituary..
The mother and the Pirelli's, seems to have been fairly quite the whole time
about good ole mike, so I think, they might have some key information we are not getting publicly.

kimmy_q_sky
08-03-2005, 12:34 PM
Has he entered a plea yet? Has there been any other news on this??

Prayers for her family.

cosmos33
08-03-2005, 03:45 PM
Hi Kimmyq, just read this a few minutes ago:

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=f6d4dd4e-a77f-44ef-afe2-a7426e018735

EDMONTON -- A court appearance for an Edmonton man accused of murdering his pregnant wife has been put over to Friday.
Michael White is charged with second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

His wife, Liana, who was four months pregnant, was reported missing by White last month.

A search team headed up by White found her badly decomposed body on July 17th.

White's lawyer, Larry Anderson, says he still has not received adequate information about the case from the Crown.

Anderson says a preliminary hearing on the charges will probably be held in March.

White has not yet entered a plea on the charges.

He has said he plans to plead not guilty.

Mellen
08-04-2005, 11:17 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/08/04/1158966-sun.html



Michael White, who is accused of killing his pregnant wife, will be in provincial court tomorrow for a bail hearing on a charge of indignity to a dead body.

He has been charged with second-degree murder, as well as indignity to a dead body in the death of his 29-year-old wife, Liana White.

White's lawyer, Larry Anderson, said they are still waiting for full disclosure from the Crown in the case. He said he hopes that will come this week.

White made a brief court appearance yesterday. Anderson said White can't ask for bail on the second-degree murder charge in provincial court. Liana's abandoned vehicle was discovered in a soccer field parking lot around 7:30 a.m. on July 12. A volunteer search team organized by Michael found her body five days later at the side of a country road.

forbidn2u2
08-04-2005, 01:36 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/08/04/1158966-sun.html



Michael White, who is accused of killing his pregnant wife, will be in provincial court tomorrow for a bail hearing on a charge of indignity to a dead body.

He has been charged with second-degree murder, as well as indignity to a dead body in the death of his 29-year-old wife, Liana White.

White's lawyer, Larry Anderson, said they are still waiting for full disclosure from the Crown in the case. He said he hopes that will come this week.

White made a brief court appearance yesterday. Anderson said White can't ask for bail on the second-degree murder charge in provincial court. Liana's abandoned vehicle was discovered in a soccer field parking lot around 7:30 a.m. on July 12. A volunteer search team organized by Michael found her body five days later at the side of a country road.


:confused:
I don't understand this article. I read the entire thing twice.

How can it be a bail hearing if his lawyer said White can't ask for bail on the 2nd degree murder charge ? Can he ask for bail on the indignity to a body charge, but not the murder charge ? How does that work ?

newtv
08-04-2005, 05:19 PM
:confused:
I don't understand this article. I read the entire thing twice.

How can it be a bail hearing if his lawyer said White can't ask for bail on the 2nd degree murder charge ? Can he ask for bail on the indignity to a body charge, but not the murder charge ? How does that work ?
they are perhaps treating the second charge separately in terms of discovery or whatever the first appearance in front of a judge (for that part of 2 charges).
It doesnt say he is attending a bail hearing for 2nd degree murder-he has already had that.
I hunch he gets a bail hearing regardless of the other charge, but he wont be released anyhow- just a formality to be followed.

He could be granted bail on this charge and still have to be in jail for the other charge.
Maybe that is so if the other charge were to be dropped he is free to go-vs wait to have the second charge cropped as well.
I dont think he will ever be out but it could be something like that-a formality.

blueclouds
08-05-2005, 08:00 PM
Prelim could be set for March. If there's still interest on WS and I have time, I'll take in some of the trial or the prelim and fill you all in. Scum bucket slime.

Why can't we just throw all these scuz on an island with many MEAT eating predators and leave them be.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050804/NATS04N-2/TPNational/Canada

Bobbisangel
08-05-2005, 09:22 PM
Prelim could be set for March. If there's still interest on WS and I have time, I'll take in some of the trial or the prelim and fill you all in. Scum bucket slime.

Why can't we just throw all these scuz on an island with many MEAT eating predators and leave them be.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050804/NATS04N-2/TPNational/Canada



That would be great to hear first hand what is going on in the Prelim or trial.
I hope they throw the book at this piece of poop.

I wish there was a place that they put people like this too. Some place away from decent human beings.

CaribouKid
08-06-2005, 11:09 PM
Hearing set for Michael White

A month-long preliminary hearing has been set for an Edmonton man accused of killing his pregnant wife.

The hearing, scheduled to run throughout March 2006, will determine if there is sufficient evidence to send Michael White to trial on charges of second-degree murder.

White was charged last month with killing his wife Liana after he helped lead a volunteer search party to her body in a ditch northwest of the city.

White has maintained his innocence since his arrest and said he plans to plead not guilty. (Edmonton Journal)

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=d0684b9d-351f-40ac-95e8-a0dd26c8a578

Jess
08-08-2005, 10:23 AM
From the GlobalEdmonton morning newscast - 8 am

A source has told an Edmonton radio station that Liana's blood was found in the couple's bedroom and blood soaked rags were found in the garage.

Michael White's next appearance in court will be before the Court of Queen's Bench in March .

newtv
08-08-2005, 01:37 PM
God thats along time from now- If it were me I would want to proceed more quickly-especially if I said I was innocent..I mean thats a long time to wait behind bars.
If they have such rags and found blood tis all over for him-and I am glad-we all know it was him-he could have had the decency to confess.
What kind fo idiot leaves blood soaked rags around-he is also stupid.

PrayersForMaura
08-08-2005, 04:44 PM
God thats along time from now- If it were me I would want to proceed more quickly-especially if I said I was innocent..I mean thats a long time to wait behind bars.
If they have such rages and found blood tis all over for him-and I am glad-we all know it was him-he could have had the decency to confess.
What kind fo idio leaves blood soaked rags around-he is also stupid.
I totally agree ... and he's gonna plead not guilty?
What a jerk.
He obviously never loved his wife if he can't even fess up to what he did...
for the sake of her honor, their children (the living daughter and now deceased, unborn child), and their families.

He's simply a coward.

kimmy_q_sky
08-08-2005, 06:28 PM
Thanks Cosmos and everyone for the updates!! I appreciate all news on this case. Hugs!

CaribouKid
08-08-2005, 06:36 PM
He's simply a coward.
Coming from a military background, any soldier that steals from their fellow soldiers is the lowest form in my books and in wartime, is deserving of a bullet to the head.

Being dishonourably discharged from the military shows the creditability of the person they are dealing with. Simply put, he is a lying, backstabbing, murderous creep who has had one agenda, himself and his greed.

Casshew
08-08-2005, 06:40 PM
He's simply a coward.
I agree, and selfish too... he valued himself & his needs before anyone elses

newtv
08-08-2005, 07:38 PM
I totally agree ... and he's gonna plead not guilty?
What a jerk.
He obviously never loved his wife if he can't even fess up to what he did...
for the sake of her honor, their children (the living daughter and now deceased, unborn child), and their families.

He's simply a coward.
exactly-not a nice man-and classless on top of everything else
he did it and especially if they have blood evidence-she didnt cut her wrists and go to work..she was seen the night before at midnight from what i recall-and no one hides things with blood on them unless they are covering up.

newtv
08-08-2005, 07:46 PM
I will just say that these jurors who voted not guilty and now say guilty re MJ is a real piss off. I dont care if they found him guilty-but say so ahead of time..not after u want make money on a book-I am so sick of these people
who create drama to sell something.
If he is guilty say so- if he isnt then honor what u said-was she dumb for one day? NO! Her book is worth more if she thinks he is guilty.
Just fries my brains to hear these poeple after the fact.:furious:

concernedperson
08-08-2005, 07:55 PM
I will just say that these jurors who voted not guilty and now say guilty re MJ is a real piss off. I dont care if they found him guilty-but say so ahead of time..not after u want make money on a book-I am so sick of these people
who create drama to sell something.
If he is guilty say so- if he isnt then honor what u said-was she dumb for one day? NO! Her book is worth more if she thinks he is guilty.
Just fries my brains to hear htese poeple after the fact.:furious:

I am reeling over this too. Repugnant is the word I used earlier. I don't care if this is an older citizen. With age comes responsibility and none was shown by her. She doesn't deserve a book or any recognition perpetrated by a hoax. This is evil personified and let a pedophile loose on society...the world at large. There are kids in Bahrain, too.

cosmos33
08-08-2005, 09:04 PM
Thanks Jess for the information re: Global

:mad: How very chilling that a human being would not only kill his pregnant wife in cold blood but then present himself to her own mother and his own mother as if he were the traumatized bereaved husband.

I also find M.W. to be very (and I really hate to use the word) stupid.

It may seem strange to care about this factor, but it seems to me that if someone is going to murder someone and try and cover it up - at least be smart about it. Don't cause those who loved the victim more suffering than necessary by starting a bull-**** search party then making it about as hard to figure out who the real killer is as a 'Murder She Wrote' episode.

(Aside: I remember reading a Max Haines murder case that took place I think in the 1800s. The accused's shirt or hands or something were full of the deceased's blood. He claimed that the two of them were having consensual sex and she was menstruating at the time. I suspect that is something that today we can easily distinguish, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?):waitasec:

Meanwhile I hope he gets the ***** kicked out of him in prison and I hope that it's possible for the 3 year old to have a healthy well-nurtured life far from his influence. Though it probably would be very hard on her psychologically to have him out of her life altogether at least right now. I don't know. Certainly she will be protected for quite some time from knowing what her father has done.

Daisy
08-09-2005, 09:27 AM
Meanwhile I hope he gets the ***** kicked out of him in prison and I hope that it's possible for the 3 year old to have a healthy well-nurtured life far from his influence. Though it probably would be very hard on her psychologically to have him out of her life altogether at least right now. I don't know. Certainly she will be protected for quite some time from knowing what her father has done.
I can't even imagine what must be going through that little girl's mind. She's definitely old enough to realize that her mom & dad aren't around. What could a person possibly say to that poor little girl? I'm glad she's with her "mommy's mommy".

spygirl
08-09-2005, 10:03 AM
Thanks for the updates guys. I think the blood evidence (if truly substantiated) goes a long way toward explaining how Liana decomposed so quickly. Wildlife would have picked up on her scent that much quicker. This would lead me to believe that this poor woman died brutally.

Michael is a coward.

How dare him show his face at his in-laws as a grief-stricken husband. I bet they are still reeling over that. There are no words to describe the kind of monster he is.

I'm grateful that Liana's daughter is with family and being protected. There is some solace in that she's only three.

SewingDeb
08-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Thanks Jess for the information re: Global

:mad: How very chilling that a human being would not only kill his pregnant wife in cold blood but then present himself to her own mother and his own mother as if he were the traumatized bereaved husband.

I also find M.W. to be very (and I really hate to use the word) stupid.

It may seem strange to care about this factor, but it seems to me that if someone is going to murder someone and try and cover it up - at least be smart about it. Don't cause those who loved the victim more suffering than necessary by starting a bull-**** search party then making it about as hard to figure out who the real killer is as a 'Murder She Wrote' episode.

(Aside: I remember reading a Max Haines murder case that took place I think in the 1800s. The accused's shirt or hands or something were full of the deceased's blood. He claimed that the two of them were having consensual sex and she was menstruating at the time. I suspect that is something that today we can easily distinguish, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?):waitasec:

Meanwhile I hope he gets the ***** kicked out of him in prison and I hope that it's possible for the 3 year old to have a healthy well-nurtured life far from his influence. Though it probably would be very hard on her psychologically to have him out of her life altogether at least right now. I don't know. Certainly she will be protected for quite some time from knowing what her father has done.

They can distinguish menstrual blood. I looked it up one time (about the blood spot on Laci's comforter), but don't remember where I read it now.

newtv
08-09-2005, 04:24 PM
I am reeling over this too. Repugnant is the word I used earlier. I don't care if this is an older citizen. With age comes responsibility and none was shown by her. She doesn't deserve a book or any recognition perpetrated by a hoax. This is evil personified and let a pedophile loose on society...the world at large. There are kids in Bahrain, too.
EXACTLY CP - I was one who did not think MJ was proven guilty (which is not the point), but I am still deeply troubled by this marketing ploy that makes a farce out of a justice system- I mean for gods sake- if they thot he was guilty then so be it- I would have been ok with it-but they found him not guilty of everything-now that just makes me think its a sham-the sham is NOW- the only way to make money is to have dirt on MJ after the fact..well if u feel that way now-its not very long ago that u said the opposite..I have no respect for htese cowards who come out later with a different story-just make a judgement an honor it for gods sake.
(Whether or not MJ is guilty isnt my point here-so please dont be upset -I am simply saying that even I am pissed and would rather this jury have done the correct thing as they saw it at the time-no way you are going to have a radical change that fast unless there is something to be gained-like books and movie deals.

CaribouKid
08-09-2005, 06:32 PM
Looks like he will have time to stew over a new story.

Maybe, with finding the bload soaked rag(s), he will say, that it was a botched abortion he performed, because he couldnt bare another daughter, and didnt know what to do, so he panicked and killed her.

I am sure , good ole MW has more yarns to spin.

spygirl
08-10-2005, 11:05 PM
I could kick myself. There was a story on this today, that aired on "A Current Affair" at 6pm EST, and I missed it!!

Bobbisangel
08-10-2005, 11:33 PM
I could kick myself. There was a story on this today, that aired on "A Current Affair" at 6pm EST, and I missed it!!



I wonder if "A Current Affair" has transcripts? I'd like to have seen it too.
This guy is such a baby Huey idoit. Little Ashley is young enough so that she will make the adjustment of mom and dad being gone from her life. I would guess that she will growup with pictures of her mother all around but she no doubt won't remember her parents. In a way that is good because she won't grow up feeling that void/emptyness and feeling different then other kids. If she were a year or two older it would be a different story.

I want to know why this guy felt the world would be a better place without Lianna and the new baby in it. If his life was so miserable why didn't he just off himself? Why don't they all? These guys think nothing of ending the lives of their spouses but if they get the death penalty and it comes their time to die they squeal like stuck pigs....they don't want to die. Cowards...every one of them.

cosmos33
08-10-2005, 11:35 PM
Sewing Deb, thanks for the info re: the blood. Wasn't able to find anything concrete on a Google search. A number of related links but looks like I would have to have bumbled through all the study details to get to a conclusion that may or may not be succinct and clear LOL.

SewingDeb
08-10-2005, 11:38 PM
EXACTLY CP - I was one who did not think MJ was proven guilty (which is not the point), but I am still deeply troubled by this marketing ploy that makes a farce out of a justice system- I mean for gods sake- if they thot he was guilty then so be it- I would have been ok with it-but they found him not guilty of everything-now that just makes me think its a sham-the sham is NOW- the only way to make money is to have dirt on MJ after the fact..well if u feel that way now-its not very long ago that u said the opposite..I have no respect for htese cowards who come out later with a different story-just make a judgement an honor it for gods sake.
(Whether or not MJ is guilty isnt my point here-so please dont be upset -I am simply saying that even I am pissed and would rather this jury have done the correct thing as they saw it at the time-no way you are going to have a radical change that fast unless there is something to be gained-like books and movie deals.

I think it's past time that the jury deliberations in California be taped for the judge. I wish these had been.

SewingDeb
08-10-2005, 11:39 PM
Sewing Deb, thanks for the info re: the blood. Wasn't able to find anything concrete on a Google search. A number of related links but looks like I would have to have bumbled through all the study details to get to a conclusion that may or may not be succinct and clear LOL.

You're welcome. I came across it when I was looking for something else. Maybe I can find it again.

newtv
08-11-2005, 12:38 AM
I think it's past time that the jury deliberations in California be taped for the judge. I wish these had been.
Its a good idea but I can see the defense using it as appeal material. The whole idea of putting jurors under the pressure to perform vs just be who they are-jmo.

cosmos33
08-16-2005, 01:03 AM
Two separate fundraisers were held - one put on this past Friday by Liana's co-workers through their union - raised $20,000. $5,000 from a local BBQ and $15,000 donated by other union locals supportive to the cause.

The second one was put on this past Saturday by Liana's neighbours. Again it was a BBQ. And they raised $9,000!!!!!! :dance: :dance:


Sat, August 13, 2005

$20G raised for slain woman's daughter


By BROOKES MERRITT, EDMONTON SUN

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Images/button_email.gif (javascript:sendit();)http://www.edmontonsun.com/Images/button_print.gif (http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/08/13/pf-1171558.html)http://www.edmontonsun.com/Images/button_write.gif (http://rapids.canoe.ca/cgi-bin/reg/NR-cust_service.pl?MODE=CUSTOMER_SERVICE&LOOK=EDMSUN)http://www.edmontonsun.com/Images/button_editor.gif (mailbag@edmsun.com)http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/08/13/edsunmain.jpgAn AUPE planned Bar-b-que at the Royal Alexandra Hospital Friday afternoon drew hundreds of members from inside the hospital and other union staffed offices for an affordable lunch with proceeds going into trust for education for Ashley White, daughter of murder victim Liana White who worked at the Royal Alexandra. (Preston Brownschlaigle, Edmonton SUN)



Provincial employees raised more than $20,000 for Ashley White yesterday, the same day the three-year-old's slain mother would have celebrated her 30th birthday.

One quarter of the cash was raised at a barbecue at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, where Liana worked as a neonatal intensive care unit clerk. AUPE president Dan MacLennan said union locals across the province raised the other $15,000 for Ashley.

"Liana touched so many lives," he said. "Our members have really come together to support this cause, a lot are paying for two or three tickets but only having one burger."

Hundreds of firefighters, nurses and other provincial workers gathered for the fundraiser.

MacLennan said they purchased more than 2,000 $3 tickets and gobbled down more than 1,750 burgers.
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The money raised will go towards Ashley's education and future, a cause union workers said is heart-warming.

"We're all here for the right reasons," said one of Liana's co-workers, who asked not to be named.

Hospital driver Natalie Simard said she'd never met Liana, but knows how important the money will be for Ashley in the years to come.

"She's lost a lot," Simard said. "She'll be able to look back and realize how the community reached out to help her."

Ashley's father, Michael White, has been charged with second-degree murder and indignity to a dead body in connection with her mother's death.

Ashley now lives with her grandmother in Edmonton.

A second fundraising barbecue will be held tomorrow at the Dunluce community hall from noon until 6 p.m. Also, the Crown and Anchor Pub, 15277 Castle Downs Rd., will host benefit musical performances tonight.

And here is the report on that 2nd BBQ:

Dunluce chips in for Ashley


By MAX MAUDIE (mmaudie@edmsun.com), EDMONTON SUN

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While little Ashley White played in anonymity, Edmontonians around her donated more than $9,000 to her future yesterday.

Around 1,000 people streamed through the Dunluce community hall starting at noon, ensuring Ashley's future isn't short on support. And while organizers didn't announce it, Ashley played in the background.

"She played in the park. She played in the jumpy thing. She had her face painted. She had a great time," said organizer Pam Dhaliwal, who lived across the street from Liana White.

Ashley's father, Michael White, has been charged with second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a body in connection with her mother's death.

Liana, 29, vanished on the morning of July 12. Her body was found five days later, in a rural ditch, by a search party Michael lead.
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Ashley now lives with her grandmother in Edmonton.

Though her parents have been taken from her, Ashley deserves a childhood, Dhaliwal said.

"Yeah, she does. And that was one of the main reasons we didn't (announce she was at the fundraiser.)" The money will establish the Ashley Hope Fund, a fund being set up for the girl at TD Bank for her "upbringing and her education," Dhaliwal said.

spygirl
08-22-2005, 12:01 AM
This is heart warming info, cosmos33. Thanks for posting.

:)

cosmos33
08-22-2005, 09:32 PM
Always glad to share spygirl! :)
cosmos

Bobbisangel
08-22-2005, 11:21 PM
It is so heart warming when a whole community gathers together in the mist of a tragedy. What a wonderful place Lianna worked at...so much compassion.

When is the creeps first court date...anyone heard yet?

Jess
08-23-2005, 11:05 PM
The last I heard was that he would appear before Court of Queen's Bench in March of 2006.

Bobbisangel
08-24-2005, 03:28 AM
The last I heard was that he would appear before Court of Queen's Bench in March of 2006.


Thanks

newtv
09-05-2005, 03:04 AM
Hi-just popping in to remind/reassure Liana that I have not forgotten her-and am looking ofrward to her husband being tried..just because there is no news doesnt mean you (Liana) have been forgotten-u and your daughter are in my thots everyday.

Daisy
09-08-2005, 12:47 PM
Hi-just popping in to remind/reassure Liana that I have not forgotten her-and am looking ofrward to her husband being tried..just because there is no news doesnt mean you (Liana) have been forgotten-u and your daughter are in my thots everyday.
Ditto ditto, newtv! I check in to see if anything new has been added to this thread as well.

Mabel
09-08-2005, 03:00 PM
Ditto ditto, newtv! I check in to see if anything new has been added to this thread as well.
Me too.

mysteriew
10-07-2005, 08:26 PM
Michael White, the Edmonton man accused of killing his pregnant wife Lianna, has been granted bail by Court of Queen's Bench Justice Scott Brooker this morning.

Brooker set bail at $10,000 and imposed several conditions. He said White must look for job, stay in Alberta, and report to police once a week.

He can't have contact with individuals who might become witnesses in the murder case or with his mother-in-law with whom he shares joint custody of Ashley.

Brooker's reasons for granting bail are under a publication ban.

The hearing in March will determine if there is sufficient evidence to send White to trial on charges of second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/local_story.html?id=804bace4-8c0c-4487-869c-ed08a60fb7e7

concernedperson
10-07-2005, 08:28 PM
Pitiful.

cosmos33
10-07-2005, 11:03 PM
Thanks Mysteriew ... I was giving up hope on hearing more about the case. Here's the latest which includes reaction from Lianna's mother; as well as from a pastor that has been visiting the accused.

Bail granted to accused killer





CFCN.ca



POSTED AT 5:27 PM Friday, October 7



A man in Edmonton accused of killing his pregnant wife will soon be back on the street.

Michael White will likely be released in a couple of days.

He maintains he is innocent, but his mother inlaw is not convinced. She is scared he is getting out.

Liana White's mother will never forget the loss of her daughter.

"She was a very loving person, a very compassionate person. She was brutally murdered left in a ditch for seven days. It broke my heart, it breaks my heart." said Maureen Kelly.

Now she is facing the reality the man accused of killing Liana will soon be out of prison. A judge granted bail to Liana's husband, Michael White.

"If our justice system thinks that letting out somebody who has this kind of crime or this kind of charge against him and thinks the public is safe and I am safe then I guess that is what I have to accept." said Kelly.

White was charged with second degree murder in July . He helped lead a volunteer search party for his missing wife.

Her remains were found in a ditch outside Edmonton. Liana was four months pregnant. White will likely be released in the next few days.

"Obviously he is pleased with the judge's decision." said White's lawyer, Larry Anderson.

Pastor Robert Scott has been offering spiritual support to white. He is thrilled with the judge's decision.

"I am rejoicing his freedom, I believe he is an innocent man he didn't commit this crime. He does not speak as a guilty man. He is a gentle giant." said Scott.

White's bail has been set at $10,000.

He is not allowed to have any contact with potential witnesses in the case or his mother inlaw, with whom he shares joint custody of his young daughter Ashley.

White must also look for a job and he must stay in Alberta and report to police once a week.

A preliminary hearing is set for March to determine if there is enough evidence to send White to trial.

cosmos33
10-07-2005, 11:04 PM
fyi link: http://www.cfcn.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/A/20051007/White?brand=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=White&date=20051007&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav=home&subnav=fullstory

Et al
10-07-2005, 11:05 PM
Just caught the last bit of the evening news.....
Michael White is out on bail!!!! I am shocked.
This is an outrage!!!! What the heck is going on with our justice system?
Must go research this...back soon with more info.

Casshew
10-07-2005, 11:06 PM
Hi et al, read here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=836463#post836463)

Et al
10-08-2005, 01:50 AM
Hey Cass, thanks for directing me. Nice witches ya got there...

What does everyone think of this creep getting released?
I wonder where he will be living? Probably with his parents.
Anyone in the area know where the parents are living?
I am just now picking my chin up off the floor.
I caught just part of the CBC News that stated he would be looking for a job and spending time with his daughter. What was the judge thinking? This blows me out of the water!!!!!

Et al
10-08-2005, 02:12 AM
Thanks for the link cosmos.
If I wasn't going to Vancouver this week I would be tempted to go to Edmonton and sit outside the prison (with a heater, of course) and wait for the b*st*rd to come out, then heckle him to hell, perhaps even follow him and maybe even get thrown in jail for harrassment.
I would like to read the judge's reasons for granting the $10,000 bail.
:hand:


RIP Chuck Cadman

otto
10-08-2005, 01:48 PM
Thanks for the link cosmos.
If I wasn't going to Vancouver this week I would be tempted to go to Edmonton and sit outside the prison (with a heater, of course) and wait for the b*st*rd to come out, then heckle him to hell, perhaps even follow him and maybe even get thrown in jail for harrassment.
I would like to read the judge's reasons for granting the $10,000 bail.
:hand:


RIP Chuck Cadman

He was probably released because he is not considered a threat to society and for the time being, he's accused rather than guilty. He probably isn't considered a flight risk either. The decision could have something to do with his daughter and that she is probably not doing well without either of her parents.

mysteriew
10-08-2005, 05:53 PM
The mother and neighbours of Liana White are outraged that the man accused of killing her was granted bail yesterday.

And now Edmonton Castle Downs MLA Thomas Lukaszuk said he wants the minister of justice to review the possibility of appealing the bail ruling. http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/10/08/1253829-sun.html

newtv
10-08-2005, 07:32 PM
fyi link: http://www.cfcn.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/A/20051007/White?brand=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=White&date=20051007&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav=home&subnav=fullstory
I just cant believe this- get with it canada- he killed 2 people and there is no doubt he did it-what an *******- I hope someone takes him out when he is least expecting it..
what a devaluing of human life to trust this guy out in the world-what disrespect for the wife and unborn child.

cosmos33
10-11-2005, 12:37 AM
I wonder too about the judge's rationale. I agree with 'innocent until proven guilty'. And too, holding someone until March - who may be innocent - basically destroys their chance of ever getting their work and family life back together.

So how do we protect society? The little girl, the mother-in-law? Have a swift hearing ... don't wait until March! Determine if a trial is warranted or if his name can be cleared, and do it now!

I read in one spot - not sure where:

[sorry =( I've read so many different news stories ... all with only slight differences if any ]

a short sentence stating the accused says while he's out he wants to find the real killer so he can clear his name. IMHO he is anything but innocent. However, who knows ... Maybe he was playing the tomcat the night before she disappeared, and never got home until *after* Lianna left for work the next day. It would explain the conflicting stories he gave about not being sure what time Lianna left. :cool:
Cosmos

lauriej
10-13-2005, 02:15 AM
just saw the news clip........edmonton tv news.........of micheal white being released today.

...back at home in the house he shared with his wife and daughter............."white wants to get a job...........see his daughter...........and.........."will try to find the real killer".

(ummmmmmmmmm..thanx OJ.....good luck with that.)

..there was also a brief interview with a pastor that met with michael in jail............who ( the pastor) claimed, had "inside information" that points to the 'real killer'..........but could not elaborate in fear of jeopardizing the case...

docwho3
10-13-2005, 03:39 AM
(sings) Does he want fries with that?

blueclouds
10-13-2005, 11:12 AM
Since he has joint custody of the child with Liana's mother, he's fully entitled to visit with his daughter Ashley. I'm trying to find out through a social worker friend IF THESE VISITS are supervised. IF not, I fear for Ashley's life.... I think Michael would kill himself and Ashley....

Not sure what can be done, but some community rage would be helpful here....

cosmos33
10-14-2005, 11:04 PM
Hope this is of some comfort: From all of the accounts I saw in the newspaper, Michael White will not be able to visit his daughter without first contacting his mother-in-law's lawyer and it will be up to social services and family court to determine if/when/under what conditions he may visit the daughter. I agree with you blue clouds; if he's guilty it would be extremely likely that the murder-suicide thing would happen. :slap:

lauriej
10-25-2005, 03:37 AM
..if he's gulity........( and personally i believe he is.....i mean really, who else came up with a field to seach OUTSIDE of LE search parameters, and voila' there she was.......?)-----------then i could easily envision a suicide on his part-----------but i don't think he would harm the child.

..his anger/rage was targetted at liana , for whatever reason, i don't believe he would hurt ashley at all.

Jess
10-25-2005, 11:12 PM
On the local news ( and I can't remember what day ) neighbours have started a petition to get him out of their neighbourhood. I don't think they have a hope of doing anything, but it was a way for them to voice their opinions and send him a message. They had a fair number of signatures.

blueclouds
10-26-2005, 11:07 AM
On the local news ( and I can't remember what day ) neighbours have started a petition to get him out of their neighbourhood. I don't think they have a hope of doing anything, but it was a way for them to voice their opinions and send him a message. They had a fair number of signatures.

There's more than 2000 signatures.... God I hope he gets his butt back in jail.... I cannot fathom the thought of him having access to his little girl.


"More than 2,000 people have signed their names to a petition to have accused wife killer Michael White's bail revoked.

Castledowns resident Dena Gallant is giving the petition to Edmonton-Castle Downs MLA Thomas Lukaszuk today.

"We knew the Crown was appealing (the bail) and we wanted to support that appeal," she said.

The petition calls on Lukaszuk and Alberta Justice Minister Ron Stevens to urge the province to "use any and all means" to revoke White's bail. "



http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/10/26/1278834-sun.html

Daisy
11-04-2005, 01:44 PM
Thank you, everyone, for all of the updates. I am really disgusted that he was awarded bail. Grrrrrrr!

angarella
12-06-2005, 11:48 AM
Any updates on this case?

tia

Jess
12-06-2005, 10:06 PM
An appeal court judge has given the Crown leave to appeal the bail of Michael White. No date has yet been set for the review by a panel of three Appeal Court Judges.

Bobbisangel
12-18-2005, 03:47 AM
An appeal court judge has given the Crown leave to appeal the bail of Michael White. No date has yet been set for the review by a panel of three Appeal Court Judges.


Thanks for all of the information. Please keep us posted about anything that is happening in this case. I have hunted high and low trying to find Liann's case here. I just went through all of the pages on Located and didn't find her.
I'm glad that I thought to look here. I have been wondering what is happening in this case.

Giving bail to a suspected murderer is just insane. I hope that petition works.

Jess
01-02-2006, 10:38 PM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/01/02/1375992-sun.html





Three murder cases seem to stick out in the mind of homicide Staff Sgt. Brian Lobay more than any others.

While all weighed heavily on the veteran cop, he said the killings of pregnant women Liana White and Olivia Talbot and the shooting death of Sara Easton were disturbing.

"They're all sad, tragic stories," said Lobay.

Liana White, a 29-year-old pregnant mother of a toddler, vanished on her way to work July 12. Her brown Ford Explorer was found abandoned at the edge of a sports field near 157 Avenue and 116 Street.

Cops and volunteers mounted a massive search for her.

White's husband, Michael, led another search for the Royal Alexandra Hospital unit clerk. His search party found Liana's body in a ditch near 142 Street and Poundmaker Road near St. Albert on July 17.

On July 18 homicide detectives charged Michael White with second-degree murder and committing an indignity to a dead body.

The disturbing case captured international attention, with American television cameras making their way north to tell U.S. viewers about the tragic story. The case drew comparisons to the case of Scott and Laci Peterson in California.

Laci Peterson, a 27-year-old substitute teacher, was eight months pregnant when she vanished around Christmas Eve 2002. Scott was eventually convicted of killing her.


Finally my program lets me cut and paste and copy !!

Mabel
02-06-2006, 03:52 PM
Any updates on this case? Was Michael White's bail revoked?

Also, I'm trying to find the thread for the missing pregnant woman - the one who met with the baby's father after a phone call and then disappeared. Anyone remember her? EDIT: Found it. Amanda Jones. Still missing.

Jess
02-06-2006, 11:18 PM
The last I heard the prosecutors are going before the Crown( Court of Queen's Bench) on February 9th to see if they can have Michael White's bail revoked.

Bobbisangel
02-06-2006, 11:35 PM
I hope that the bail is revoked. It probably won't be though if he has been behaving himself, working, and checking in once a week with LE. No one who is believed to have murdered his wife and baby should be anywhere but behind bars...IMO anyway.

Jess
02-09-2006, 04:21 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=1d36cd2c-dd3c-447e-a0e0-2663081b7232&k=14932




The Crown is in court today trying to have the bail revoked for accused killer Michael White, charged with killing his pregnant wife and hiding her body.

White, 28, who faces a charge of second-degree murder in the death last summer of his wife Liana, is out on $10,000 bail.

Liana White, 29, was reported missing July 12 when she failed to show up for work. She was four months pregnant at the time.

Her Ford Explorer was found abandoned in a parking lot of a baseball diamond, a 20-minute walk from her Castle Downs home.

Her husband vowed in the the media at the time to find his wife.

He led a search team that discovered her body five days later in a wooded area near the intersection of Township Road 542 and Range Road 251.

The medical examiner determined she died of “homicidal violence.”

Micheal White was later charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a body.

He was released on $10,000 bail in October. Other conditions include staying in his Dunluce neighbourhood home between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m.

The prosecution went to court to seek a bail review. Last fall, court agreed to allow the Crown to appeal his bail.

The appeal is being heard today. A decision isn’t expected immediately.

Neighbours have gathered more than 600 signatures on a petition seeking to have his bail revoked. The petition is not expected to have any influence on the court’s decision.

His preliminary hearing is set for March.

As of noon Mountain Time, the prosecutors had presented their arguements and were waiting to hear the defense side. Again there is a publication ban on evidence !!

Jess
02-10-2006, 10:31 AM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/02/10/1435175-sun.html





Accused wife-killer Michael White was in Alberta's highest court yesterday as the Crown argued that he should not have been allowed out on bail.

A court-ordered ban prevents the publication of any of the arguments made during the hearing or any of the alleged evidence tendered.

The three-judge Court of Appeal of Alberta panel indicated a ruling would be given sometime next week.

The appeal court panel also reserved decision on arguments from media lawyers, including one representing the Sun, challenging the publication ban.

White sat quietly in the prisoner's box yesterday, only nodding or shaking his head as lawyers for both sides of the case presented evidence. He teared up at the mention of his slain wife.



Fri, February 10, 2006
Bail argued in White case

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




Accused wife-killer Michael White was in Alberta's highest court yesterday as the Crown argued that he should not have been allowed out on bail.

A court-ordered ban prevents the publication of any of the arguments made during the hearing or any of the alleged evidence tendered.

The three-judge Court of Appeal of Alberta panel indicated a ruling would be given sometime next week.

The appeal court panel also reserved decision on arguments from media lawyers, including one representing the Sun, challenging the publication ban.

White sat quietly in the prisoner's box yesterday, only nodding or shaking his head as lawyers for both sides of the case presented evidence. He teared up at the mention of his slain wife.

White, 29, is charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body in connection with the death of Liana White.

The 29-year-old pregnant mother disappeared on July 12.

Five days later, a search party led by Michael White found her body in a ditch outside St. Albert.

The day after the body was found, White was charged.

The heavy-duty mechanic was released from the Edmonton Remand Centre on $10,000 bail in October.

White's release was greeted with community outrage and one Castledowns resident organized a 2,000-plus name petition to have the accused killer's bail revoked.

After the hearing, White hid from the media in various places in the courthouse.

A preliminary hearing to determine if there is enough evidence to warrant a trial is slated for March 1.

Court is to reach a decision by the end of next week on bail and on publication ban,

Bobbisangel
02-13-2006, 10:22 PM
Thanks for the information and please keep us posted on the outcome of the bail hearing.

blueclouds
02-22-2006, 03:23 PM
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE APPEALS COURT has just reversed his bail!!!!!!! He turned himself in about 15 minutes ago to the downtown Edmonton police station.

He told a reporter on the phone "I guess I'll just suck it up and wait for my trial to start" when told that his bail had just been revoked.


yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

SewingDeb
02-22-2006, 03:40 PM
That's great news! He should never have been given bail in the first place.

Jess
02-22-2006, 07:14 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=0d34e1a7-6946-4cb4-825f-72a9dc8fcfcf&k=37135



Neighbours gathered more than 600 signatures on a petition seeking to have his bail revoked. The petition was not expected to have any influence on the court’s decision.





http://www.cbc.ca/edmonton/story/ed-lianawhite20060222.html


Last updated Feb 22 2006 03:25 PM MST
CBC News
A man accused of killing his wife in a case that attracted widespread media attention has been sent back to prison.

Michael White was out on bail but a panel of judges with the Alberta Court of Appeal ruled that it should be revoked.

In their seven-page written decision, the judges also lifted a publication ban on some of the evidence surrounding Edmontonian Liana White's death.

The pregnant mother went missing last July and a massive search was sparked after her SUV was found abandoned in a field close to her house.

Her body was found five days later by her husband who was leading a search party that he'd organized. White has pleaded not guilty and maintains his innocence.

The 28-year-old mechanic spent a few months behind bars but has been out on bail since October 2005. His release sparked an outcry in the community and a petition was organized urging that he be remanded in custody.

In their decision, the Court of Appeal judges stated, "this is one of those rare cases where it is necessary to deny bail in order to maintain public confidence in the justice system."

According to evidence noted by the judges, Liana was stabbed several times but likely died from a knife wound to the neck.

The decision also notes that police seized two large garbage bags allegedly deposited by Michael White at the end of his driveway. The bags contained blood-soaked cleaning materials and sponges and some of the accused's bloody clothes.

Police also say they found blood in the couple's bedroom and in the back of the victim's car.

A preliminary hearing is scheduled for March.

blueclouds
02-23-2006, 11:51 AM
If anyone's interested, they're going to discuss Michaels case a bit on 630ched this morning. Probably within the next ? 2 - 3 hours. you can listen online.

www.630ched.com

not sure if this link below will work. If not, go to the site and click "listen live" on the left hand side.


javascript:MM_openBrWindow('/shared/corus_content/corus_player/index.aspx?rem=chedam', 'player_630ched', 'noresize,scrollbars=no,width=730,height=407');

lauriej
02-24-2006, 03:06 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/02/23/1458168-sun.html

White Tells Boss "Sorry".



A downcast Michael White walked into his boss's office yesterday, bowed his head and told him he was going back to jail.

White, the 29-year-old man accused of killing his wife, Liana in July, saw his $10,000-bail revoked by Alberta Court of Appeal yesterday.

"He came this morning and apologized for it and he apologized every time the cops have bothered him down here," said Floyd Kirkendall, operations manager of Loadstar Dispatchers, where White worked as a mechanic. "We've got about 50 employees down here and they all know his history ... In Canada we're all innocent until proven guilty ... The opinion of about 50 employees down here is we're all going to miss him." White turned himself in to police yesterday.


Dena Gallant, a neighbour of White's who organized a 2,300-signature petition over the summer to revoke his bail, was relieved to hear White's back behind bars.

"It was really good news," said Gallant. "We were very happy to find that his bail has been revoked."

She said the community had been through plenty after Liana White went missing and Michael was charged in her death. "It sends out a message that we do not want people who allegedly commit such violent, heinous crimes living amongst us," she said.



..more at link..

lauriej
02-24-2006, 03:11 AM
Disturbing trail of evidence

Disturbing evidence gathered by police in the murder case against alleged wife killer Michael White can now be revealed.



In evidence before an appeal court panel, police allege the Explorer was recorded on a video security camera at Richard's Pub about 5 a.m. going from the direction of the White home to the playground where it was abandoned. Twelve minutes later the video shows a man, whom police identify as matching White's description, running from the playground area back toward the nearby White home.



When police arrived at the abandoned Explorer, they found the front door open and items strewn about the inside, including the victim's wallet, and a pair of women's shoes neatly lined up outside, court heard.

Cops also noted the placement of the seat and the interior rear view mirror was adjusted to fit a person of White's size, as opposed to his significantly smaller wife.

Two days after the disappearance, police spotted White about 10:30 p.m. in a grassy field between his home and the spot where the body was later found, and saw him pick up two garbage bags and return them to his vehicle.

Cops watched White bring the bags home and later that night saw him put them out for garbage pickup the next morning. They were then seized with a search warrant.

Inside the bags, police found bloody cleaning materials, a broken lamp that matched a lamp found in the Whites' bedroom, gloves, two bloody sponges and bloody clothing identified by White as belonging to him, court heard.

In new evidence presented to the appeal panel, court heard DNA testing of blood found on some of the items in the garbage bags showed it belonged to Liana White. As well, the only DNA found belonged to Liana and Michael.

Blood was also found in various locations in the couple's bedroom and in the back of the Explorer.

Other new evidence included an autopsy report showing Liana White was stabbed to death and she had cuts on her hand consistent with defensive wounds from a struggle. The report noted two stab wounds to the back area and said the exact fatal wound could not be identified due to body decomposition, but was likely in the neck region.

..more at link..

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/02/23/1458166-sun.html

...............what a coward-------he stabbed her in the back.....

mindi77
02-24-2006, 04:59 AM
What a dipsh@t.....I mean he was picking stuff up right there that was evidence and disposing it. I mean he had to know that he was being watched. Don't get me wrong I am glad he was being a dumba@* . I don't see how he could get out of this. I wonder what all the coworkers think after hearing some of the evidence. Yes and I agree he is a complete coward and I hope he rots in jail.

Jess
02-24-2006, 09:38 PM
From GlobalTV in Edmonton.

His mother is very upset, "what happened to innocent until proven guilty ?



You think she hadn't heard of any of the evidence that the cops have ? and how many times does it have to be repeated -- only in court is a person innocent until proven guilty.

lauriej
02-25-2006, 03:24 AM
In the last media interview Mr. White gave before being charged, he told a reporter that he was no Scott Peterson -- the California man convicted in 2004 of killing his pregnant wife, Laci -- and that he had been thrilled to be having another child.

According to court documents, during the original bail hearing, the judge heard that the Crown had gathered a lot of evidence to prove its case against Mr. White, including:

A security camera videotape that showed a man resembling Mr. White "running in the opposite direction" from a parking lot where Ms. White's abandoned vehicle was later found about 1.5 kilometres from the couple's home. The tape also shows the sport utility vehicle being driven toward the place where it was later discovered.

Two garbage bags that were seized from Mr. White's home. He was seen carrying them out of a field (near a ditch where his wife's body was later found) two days after she was reported missing. The bags contained gloves, bloody cleaning supplies, a broken lamp that police believed once belonged in the couple's master bedroom, two sponges and some of Mr. White's bloody clothes.

Evidence of blood in the couple's bedroom and Ms. White's SUV.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060223.WHITE23/TPStory/National

sure...i can understand that everyone is "presumed guilty until proven innocent"............and that his parents would of course stand by their son-----------but----------evidence is evidence.........

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060222/bail_white_060222/20060222?hub=Canada
The bail kindled anger from area residents who felt angry and fearful over the case. Hundreds signed a petition to ask the bail be revoked.

"It's really tough to have someone accused of such a heinous crime living in your neighbourhood," petition organizer Dena Gallant said Wednesday.

"If the justice system is starting to listen, that's a good thing."

................a huge thanks to dena gallant for the thousands of signatures on the petition to revoke this slime-balls bail, liana and her baby deserve justice in the courts of alberta.

Jess
02-25-2006, 12:14 PM
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...0222?hub=Canada
The bail kindled anger from area residents who felt angry and fearful over the case. Hundreds signed a petition to ask the bail be revoked.

"It's really tough to have someone accused of such a heinous crime living in your neighbourhood," petition organizer Dena Gallant said Wednesday.

"If the justice system is starting to listen, that's a good thing."

................a huge thanks to dena gallant for the thousands of signatures on the petition to revoke this slime-balls bail, liana and her baby deserve justice in the courts of alberta.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

PonderingThings
03-03-2006, 05:39 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=0a8752f8-a21f-48ad-ac37-ad6e2d28d45d&k=76361


A palm reader testified in the Michael White preliminary hearing today that Liana White visited her a few days before she was killed and said she planned to leave her husband.

Court also heard from Liana White’s mother, who testified that she found her son-in-law’s behaviour odd after her pregnant daughter was reported missing and he returned home from the police station,lay down on the couch in front of the TV and promptly went to sleep all night.

The testimony came in a preliminary hearing under way today for alleged wife killer Michael White.

The hearing to determine whether there is enough evidence to proceed to trial, is expected to take a month to hear all the evidence.
MORE AT LINK

Jess
03-03-2006, 11:07 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=85ea2bdb-3b85-4cc0-ae07-116c890c4648





Driver's seat pushed way back when police found Liana White's vehicle, officer testifies


EDMONTON - The driver's seat in Liana White's Ford Explorer was pushed almost all the way back when police officers found it abandoned last summer.

Jess
03-04-2006, 10:20 AM
On the evening of the day his pregnant wife disappeared, accused killer Michael White watched TV and fell asleep while his distraught mother-in-law paced frantically.

White, 29, also refused to talk to her about what might have happened to her missing daughter, said Maureen Kelly yesterday, while testifying at his preliminary hearing about several unusual things she had noticed.

The provincial court hearing also heard from palm reader Dona Piercy, who saw slaying victim Liana White three days before her disappearance and said she was very unhappy and nervous over plans to leave her husband.

The heavy-duty mechanic and former soldier is charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body in the death of his 29-year-old wife, who was four months' pregnant when her body was found July 17, five days after her abandoned SUV was discovered.

Kelly testified she met police and her son-in-law at her daughter's 227 Warwick Cres. home after the SUV was found. She said the house was unusually pristine.

"It was just totally immaculate. No toys or nothing about," she said. "I just thought it was not normal. It was perfect."

Kelly said White was interviewed by police and when he returned she wanted to talk about what had happened.

"He really wouldn't talk to me about it," she said, adding White went downstairs and cleaned his office and then lay on the couch in the rumpus room and watched TV.

"He never offered me any answer on what he thought might have happened," she said.

As Kelly talked about how distraught she was while White was able to sleep peacefully on the couch, she stared at him for several seconds as he sat in the prisoner's box.

Kelly said she stayed up all night worrying while White was snoring, yet the next morning when his mother called, she heard him tell her: "I hardly slept at all."

During the large-scale hunt for Liana, in which White led a search party, Kelly said he called and said: "Maureen, somebody's got my girl and I'm going to find him."

After White was charged in the slaying, Kelly said she got a call from him inquiring about his young daughter.

"He just told me he is not a murderer," she said, adding he later denied he had had a "big fight" with Liana and also denied he was the man police say is shown on a security video running from the area where the SUV was found.

Meanwhile, Piercy, 65, testified Liana had been coming to her to have her palms read since 2003 and said she found "a very unhappy lady in her marriage."

Piercy said Liana told her on July 9 she was still unhappy and hadn't loved her husband for two years.

"She told me she would be leaving Michael White in two days to a week," said Piercy, who added later outside court that Liana was both very sad and scared that day.



http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/03/04/1472383-sun.html

Jess
03-06-2006, 07:36 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=fb2d11da-22c9-41ff-959d-cff78b6771e5&k=67021


Publication ban imposed on White murder hearing


Edmonton Journal
Published: Monday, March 06, 2006

Accused wife-killer Michael White’s preliminary hearing, which has been the source of daily reports on the details of the alleged crime, has gone under a media blackout.

In an unexpected move, White’s lawyer asked for - and received - a ban on publication of evidence being presented during the hearing.

Defence lawyer Larry Anderson had initially opted not to seek a ban on publication of evidence. That was an unusual move because defence counsel almost always ask for and are automatically granted publication bans during a preliminary hearing.

But in court today, he changed his mind and was granted a court order prohibiting media from publishing details of last summer’s death of Liana White, 29. Her body was found July 17 in Edmonton’s northern outskirts five days after she went missing. She was four months pregnant at the time.

Michael White, 28, was charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a body.

In today’s ruling, Judge Michael Stevens-Guille of provincial court said the defence can get a publication band whenever it asks for one, regardless of whether the preliminary hearing hasn’t been subject to such a ban up to that point.

“It is not so much when the application is made, but who (makes it),” he said.

That means that none of the evidence brought up during the preliminary hearing from today on can be reported by the media.

A preliminary hearing reviews evidence to determine if there is enough to warrant a trial. It is usually subject to a publication ban to ensure potential jurors aren’t prejudiced by evidence that hasn’t yet been tested in court.

So far, the hearing has received evidence from a psychic whom Liana White visited several times before her death.

Liana White’s mother has also testified about how neat her daughter’s house was after she went missing and how she noticed that a lamp was missing from a bedside table in the couple’s bedroom.

The preliminary inquiry also heard from a police investigator who didn’t initially realize they were dealing with a homicide.

The pre-trial proceedings in this case were opened to the media when the Alberta Court of Appeal revoked White’s $10,000 bail based on evidence that was not available to the judge that originally released him. The judgment contained many details of the alleged crimes.

Bobbisangel
03-11-2006, 05:59 AM
Michael White has to be the dumbest person ever to try and pull off a crime. He may as well have left a note on his door saying "I did it." I don't know why he is going to the trouble of having a trial. He is nailed with all of the evidence. There is no way he can get out of it.

Glad he has to set his big butt in jail waiting for the trial. The way he treated Leanna's mother reminds me of the way Scott Peterson treated Lacy's mom after the murder. To bad White doesn't live in California. Maybe him and Scott could have been cell mates. Both of them are as dumb as rocks.

Poor Lianna...she must have fought for her life but that slug she was married to was just to big for her to handle. I hope they put him in prison for life...the rest of his life. Is there any chance of that with 2nd degree murder?

Anyone know when the trial is supposed to start?

lauriej
03-13-2006, 03:44 AM
"pondering things " earlier post:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=0a8752f8-a21f-48ad-ac37-ad6e2d28d45d&k=76361

Lawyers initially believed a jury trial wouldn't get underway until this fall or early 2007.

But the Court of Appeal said it is unacceptable for an accused to sit in pre-trial custody for more than a year.

Alberta Justice spokesman Mark Cooper said arrangements are now being made to have the trial begin in May or June.

..more at link.

otto
03-14-2006, 09:49 PM
"pondering things " earlier post:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=0a8752f8-a21f-48ad-ac37-ad6e2d28d45d&k=76361

Lawyers initially believed a jury trial wouldn't get underway until this fall or early 2007.

But the Court of Appeal said it is unacceptable for an accused to sit in pre-trial custody for more than a year.

Alberta Justice spokesman Mark Cooper said arrangements are now being made to have the trial begin in May or June.

..more at link.

News today is that bail is revoked, the trial is set for September and is expected to last about 2 months. Liana's mom flew out from Toronto for the hearing to day but declined comment. She said she probably won't fly out for the trial.

Bobbisangel
03-15-2006, 04:47 AM
News today is that bail is revoked, the trial is set for September and is expected to last about 2 months. Liana's mom flew out from Toronto for the hearing to day but declined comment. She said she probably won't fly out for the trial.




He may as well get used to living in a cage because that is where he is going to be for a long long time. I just wish it didn't take so darn long for trials. Why does it take a year or more to get there? I would think that attornies could get ready way before that.

Alta
03-15-2006, 02:51 PM
A city man who helped search for his supposedly abducted pregnant wife and was then charged with killing her was ordered to stand trial for murder yesterday.


In an earlier Court of Appeal of Alberta hearing, which led to White's bail being revoked, evidence was heard that White was spotted by police picking up two garbage bags in a field near where the body was later found.

Inside the bags police found bloody cleaning materials, a broken lamp that matched a lamp found in the White's bedroom, gloves, two bloody sponges and bloody clothing identified by White as belonging to him, court heard. An autopsy revealed White had been stabbed to death.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/03/15/1488836-sun.html

Jess
03-15-2006, 10:48 PM
I'm a little confused. Early reports said that it was Michael White's mother that flew out from Ontario.


http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/03/02/1469324-sun.h tml






Thu, March 2, 2006
'Obviously distraught'
Accused killer shocked at news his wife was missing, court told

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




His mother, who travelled here from Ontario for the hearing, sat in the front row taking notes.


Liana's mother lives in Edmonton, or am I mistaken ? That is why they were talking about visitation rights when he was let out on bail. White could not leave the province of Alberta .

lauriej
03-16-2006, 03:28 AM
it is his mother, who is from ontario...

leana's mother, who has custody of ashley, lives in b.c.........

( from an earlier news story ) :

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122237015831_91/?hub=Canada

In addition to the murder charge, Michael White, 28, originally from Mar, Ont., has been charged with committing an indignity to a dead body.

Funeral services for Liana White, who was originally from Kelowna, B.C., will be held Wednesday in Edmonton. Her three-year-old daughter is reportedly in the care of the girl's grandmother.

..more @ link..

Jess
03-16-2006, 09:47 AM
Thanks, lauriej

I believe the mother/ grandmother has been living in Edmonton since before the murder. I'm trying to find an article to verify that. For some reason, the Millwoods area comes to mind.

Bobbisangel
03-19-2006, 05:26 AM
Leanna's family are just now able to have a service for her? I wonder why it took so long to release her body? That is sad that they had to wait so long.

Leanna's mother lives close by because I remember that the killer went to her mom's house and spent the night after Leanna's body was found. I never could understand how he had the nerve to stay there after what he had done to her daughter. In a later post Leanna's mother talked about how he wouldn't even talk to her or answer her questions....just like Scott Peterson treated Sharon Rocha afte Laci disappeared.

Jess
03-19-2006, 03:16 PM
The funeral service was held not long after Liana was found. lauriej was quoting an older news report. Lianna's mother went to Liana's house the day of her diappearance.


Kelly testified she met police and her son-in-law at her daughter's 227 Warwick Cres. home after the SUV was found. She said the house was unusually pristine.

Copied from a previous post. Link is at that post.

Bobbisangel
03-23-2006, 06:44 AM
The funeral service was held not long after Liana was found. lauriej was quoting an older news report. Lianna's mother went to Liana's house the day of her diappearance.


Kelly testified she met police and her son-in-law at her daughter's 227 Warwick Cres. home after the SUV was found. She said the house was unusually pristine.

Copied from a previous post. Link is at that post.



Where did I get the idea that the killer spent the night at Lianna's mother's house the first night after she was found? I really hope they hang this guy high. Glad they didn't have to wait for the service. It's so hard no matter when you have one but to have to wait for months and months would really be awful. Thanks for clearing that up for me :)

Jess
03-29-2006, 02:07 PM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/03/29/1510458-sun.html





Wed, March 29, 2006
Justice is blind - here's why

By DOUG BEAZLEY, EDMONTON SUN




Today, we start a new feature at the Edmonton Sun. Twice a week in this space, reporter Doug Beazley takes a closer look at what goes on behind the headlines coming out of the courts and off the streets.

We'll start by looking at the Michael White case. How did a man accused of killing his pregnant wife get bail? Why did the courts finally revoke that bail, and why were news outlets allowed to report the facts before White's trial actually started? Read on.

Justice is supposed to be blind. But sometimes - rarely, but it happens - justice lifts her blindfold long enough to take a glance at the kind of press she's been getting.

It happened late last month in the case of Michael White, accused in the murder of his wife. Liana White's slaying was one of those crimes which can galvanize a city in communal horror: she was young, pretty and four months pregnant. The Whites had a three-year-old daughter.

So when Michael White was granted $10,000 bail in October, public reaction ranged from cynicism to outright fury. White's neighbours in Castledowns gathered 2,000 names on a petition calling on the courts to lock him up again.

"Tell me what the judge was thinking," said a despairing Maureen Kelly, Liana's mother.

But that was the problem: blind justice occasionally blinds everyone else. When White applied for bail, his lawyer asked for a publication ban on the bail hearing. Under the law, the judge was compelled to grant that ban.

The law provides for pretrial publication bans on evidence because of the innocent-until-proven-guilty rule. The bans protect defendants from juries which might be prejudiced by reading or hearing about evidence published or broadcast before the trial begins. In Canada, it's a basic right.

But like all rights, it sometimes gets tangled up with other rights - like the right of all citizens to see, and know, that justice is being done. Which is where the media come in, as the eyes and ears of the public. If we don't know - or can't tell - what happens in court, the public loses faith.

There are three reasons in Canadian criminal law for refusing bail: if there's a risk the accused won't show up for trial, if he's considered a public threat and likely to reoffend, and in order to preserve "confidence in the administration of justice."

Everyone agrees White met the measure on the first two reasons - he had no criminal priors and was keeping his nose clean. But on the third, he stumbled. His case had been the subject of intense press coverage; murdered pregnant women tend to rate that kind of exposure.

"So even though White's behaviour while on bail had been exemplary and he had no record, the Crown decided to appeal the bail decision," said Barry Zalmanowitz, the Edmonton Sun's lawyer.

"Those appeals are very rare, and we saw we had a great opportunity here - to challenge the publication ban."

Pub bans in the Court of Appeal are discretionary, not automatic. The Sun and other media outlets opposed a bid by White's lawyer to impose a ban on the appeal court hearing. This time, the court agreed with the media. It ruled that open coverage of the appeal wouldn't corrupt White's odds of a fair trial. As a side benefit, lifting the veil temporarily would allow the court to explain why a lower court granted White bail in the first place.

Police investigations don't stop when a suspect is charged. When White applied for bail, police believed a broken lamp found in the Whites' bedroom might have been the murder weapon. That suggested a crime of impulse - possibly manslaughter instead of murder - and it argued for bail.

But by the time the Crown appealed bail, the medical examiner had decided Liana died of a stab wound to the neck. The Crown's theory had changed from one of an impulse killing to one of the accused "introducing" a weapon to the murder scene - which implied planning, premeditation.

The judge who granted White bail applied the right test and came to the right conclusion, based on the evidence police had at the time. But to the public at large, it looked like the courts were treating a savage crime far too lightly.

"Sometimes, these bans can leave an unfair impression of the system in the public's mind," said Zalmanowitz. "It builds suspicion."

But remember, we're talking about human rights here: there's always a tradeoff. Lifting the publication ban at the appeal court allowed the courts to explain an unpopular decision, and restore public confidence in the justice system.

But it also meant evidence was released in advance of trial - and Michael White has not been convicted of any crime.

To be fair, said local criminal lawyer Robbie Davidson, the judge in White's trial will have to allow his lawyer a lot of rope to screen prospective jurors before the trial starts. "You have to have confidence in the system. But it cuts two ways - the accused must have confidence in the jury," he said.

"Everybody comes to court carrying baggage. We all have to make sure that baggage gets left at the door."
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Bobbisangel
03-30-2006, 05:50 AM
So now that they know the murder was premeditated because of the knife are they going to change the charge to match the crime....1st degree murder?

Daisy
05-01-2006, 11:22 AM
UPDATE: FOUND DECEASED, HUSBAND ARRESTED


Has anyone heard anything further regarding the Liana White case in Canada? I know her hubby was arrested and then was able to post bail (grrrrrrrr). Just wondering when he's going to be going to trial, etc. Thanks, in advance, for any info/updates!

SewingDeb
05-02-2006, 12:44 AM
The last I heard, his bail was revoked (or whatever that is called in Canada), so he is back in jail.

Daisy
05-02-2006, 12:19 PM
The last I heard, his bail was revoked (or whatever that is called in Canada), so he is back in jail.
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: Thanks, Deb! That does my heart good!

SewingDeb
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: Thanks, Deb! That does my heart good!

Mine too. He should never have been released in the first place.

lauriej
05-05-2006, 08:57 PM
..posted by Alta 03/15/2006

A city man who helped search for his supposedly abducted pregnant wife and was then charged with killing her was ordered to stand trial for murder yesterday.


In an earlier Court of Appeal of Alberta hearing, which led to White's bail being revoked, evidence was heard that White was spotted by police picking up two garbage bags in a field near where the body was later found.

Inside the bags police found bloody cleaning materials, a broken lamp that matched a lamp found in the White's bedroom, gloves, two bloody sponges and bloody clothing identified by White as belonging to him, court heard. An autopsy revealed White had been stabbed to death.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edm...488836-sun.html

........also check out the rest of the thread, Lianna White /Edmonton---it has all of the latest to date.

Dena Gallant
06-08-2006, 06:24 PM
Alberta Liberal - Newsclips

Justice & Attorney General

Bail reform advocates may unite: Groups will talk to MP to push for changes to justice system The Edmonton Journal Thu 13 Apr 2006 Page: B3 Section: CityPlus Byline: Chris Purdy and Gordon Kent Dateline: EDMONTON Source: The Edmonton Journal

EDMONTON - People circulating petitions opposing bail for suspects in two homicide cases may join forces to set up a formal group demanding changes to the justice system.

Arnold Saathof and Dena Gallant are to meet with MP Peter Goldring today to discuss plans for the non-profit organization, such as a name and mission statement.

Gallant said they already have the backing of MP John Williams.

"There's a lot of people upset about the accountability shown by the courts," Gallant said Wednesday outside the courthouse.

"We feel the justice system does not show ultimate respect for human life."

She started a petition last fall to have bail revoked for accused wife-killer Michael White, who was eventually ordered held in custody until his trial by the Alberta Court of Appeal.

Saathof's friend Stefan William Conley died after he was attacked on a city bus in March. Four teens charged with manslaughter in his death have been freed on bail.

"Will was my friend and to see these four young men released ... it just gave me such a shot to the chest," said Saathof. "How can that be?"

He went to their court appearance Wednesday armed with an online petition of 10,000 names calling for their bail to be revoked. The Crown's office recently decided it had no grounds to appeal the bail decision.

The teens are next set to appear in court May 26, with a preliminary hearing likely to be held in December.

Goldring welcomed the petitions, saying "liberal" judges need to hear that many members of the public feel they're too soft on accused criminals. "It certainly should have an impact, and if judges don't listen, that's where Parliament must act in being more aggressive in writing laws that judges should listen to public concern."

Clippings April 13, 2006 15

Federal Justice Minister Vic Toews supports his position that bail needs to be made harder to get, Goldring said.

"Bail is to return somebody who really, truly is not a threat to society, but I can't see where you would be returning somebody ... who (is accused of having) committed a violent crime," he said. "It's more signalling to the public you're more interested in their social life than protecting society."

Alberta Justice Minister Ron Stevens said this week that while the petitions provide an important voice for the public, the Criminal Code doesn't give them legal standing in the courts.

"The judiciary have to be independent of political considerations."

Greg DelBigio, acting chair of the Canadian Bar Association's criminal justice section, said in his opinion it would be "entirely inappropriate" if judicial rulings were influenced by the mood of the public.

The Vancouver criminal lawyer has never seen a petition similar to the ones circulated in Edmonton, but he doubts they will have any impact.

"Throughout history, certain cases have captured public attention more than others, so what's occurring now is nothing new."

Besides bail issues and pushing for a new remand centre in Edmonton, Gallant said she wants killing a fetus made a criminal offence.

White's wife, Liana, was four months pregnant with the couple's second child when her body was found in a ditch last July. White is charged with the second-degree murder of his wife, but not her unborn baby.

cpurdy@thejournal.canwest.com

gkent@thejournal.canwest.com

Dena Gallant
06-09-2006, 11:55 PM
Was Dena Gallant Effective In Raising Issues with Alberta Government? Appears So!

Alberta Legislature - Legislative Assembly of Alberta
April 13, 2006 Alberta Hansard 929
Title: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1: 30 p.

Criminal Sentencing Guidelines 2:40 p
Mr. Lukaszuk: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our justice system is based on fundamental principles of law: fairness, presumption of innocence, and independence of the judiciary from any political interference. These principles have withstood the test of time. However, there is yet another principle which at this time appears to be questioned; that is, public confidence in the justice system. As you may recall, some two months ago residents of Edmonton reacted to a highly publicized criminal case by gathering some 5,000 signatures on a petition requesting a thorough review of the sentencing guidelines and rules for parole order dispensation. Again last week residents of Edmonton presented this Assembly with some 20,000 signatures petitioning and requesting the same.
Mr. Speaker, even though individual cases ought not be affected or decided based on petitions or lobby efforts, it is evident that our constituents demand that our justice system undergo a thorough examination. As one constituent pointed out to me, the system ought to be a justice system and not a legal system. Having said this, I urge our Justice minister to continue to collaborate with his provincial, territorial, and federal counterparts in his effort to review parole guidelines and sentencing trends. As elected politicians we must seriously consider entrenching minimum sentences in laws passed in this Assembly and in Ottawa.
Thank you.

Space in Remand Centres
Dr. B. Miller: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In Alberta judges are being forced to reduce times served by offenders by giving 2 to 1 or even 3 to 1 credit for detention in the remand centres. Recent judgments have listed the deplorable conditions of the remand centres; for example, overcrowding and double-bunking, violation of religious freedoms, excessive force applied in relation to strip searches, and on and on and on. All of this evidence has been presented in our courts. My question is to the Solicitor General and Minister of Public Security. Can the minister tell us if he’s prepared to accept this evidence as factual and valid, and what is he going to do about it?

The Deputy Speaker: The hon. minister.

Mr. Cenaiko: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Well, the decisions that judges make are those decisions that the public or legislators don’t have an opportunity to question. The issue that the hon. member is discussing regarding the space at the Edmonton Remand Centre is one that is the top priority in our ministry right now, but when we’re dealing with all of Alberta, we’re talking about remand populations throughout Alberta. In the Edmonton area we are moving them to the Fort Saskatchewan correctional facility. We’re utilizing all of our facilities to the maximum amount that we can.
As I mentioned, the ERC (Edmonton Remandf Centre) is the number one priority for our capital planning for the future. Mr. Speaker, you should know, though, that the remand populations 20 years ago were 30 per cent compared to 70 per cent for corrections; 10 years ago it was at about 50- 50. Atthis point of time, right now, we’re at the opposite end of the scale right across Canada, where 70 per cent of offenders are in remand and only 30 per cent are in corrections.

Dr. B. Miller: Mr. Speaker, my second question is to the same minister. Will the Minister of Public Security tell us if he thinks that giving drug dealers easy sentences because of the conditions in remand centres, which is standard practice, as the Minister of Justice suggested yesterday, is protecting the safety of the public?

The Deputy Speaker: The hon. minister.

Mr. Cenaiko: Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I made a decision to work on this side of the law in my previous career as a police officer and not as a lawyer and work my way towards the bench, so my point of view and my personal thoughts regarding sentencing drug traffickers may differ from that of a judge or from a defence lawyer. So that’s a difficult question for me to answer, but I can tell you what I would do with drug traffickers.
Dr. B. Miller: My last supplemental is for the Minister of Finance. Will this government finally get tough on crime and provide the funds for a new remand centre in Edmonton and an extension to the remand centre in Calgary?

Mrs. McClellan: Well, Mr. Speaker, the Solicitor General very properly has brought this forward to capital planning, and I’m sure that our associate minister responsible for capital planning will be working with the Solicitor General to ensure that it’s included in our overall capital plan.
I would remind the hon. member that we spend triple in capital of any province in Canada, whether it’s spent in our hospitals or our schools or our advanced education institutions or on our roads. So, Mr. Speaker, I don’t apologize for our capital plan but do recognize that when you have a vibrant province like we do, when you have economic growth that’s projected as ours is with no end in sight to that, it is important that we ensure that we have adequate capital. One of the challenges, Mr. Speaker, was brought up by one of the hon. members earlier, and that is simply a workforce to accommodate that capital as well.

blueclouds
06-10-2006, 12:16 AM
ANYONE EVER QUESTION IF ONE PERSON CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE??? JUST READ THE ABOVE WOMAN'S SUCCESSFUL MISSION.

THANK YOU DENA, GOD BLESS YOU

TAKE A BOW

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Dena Gallant
06-10-2006, 09:52 AM
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Yahoo! It's Happening....

A Private Members Bill Submitted on June 6, 2006 by MP Leon Benoit.

BILL C-291

Text of Bill C-291

Bill C-291 amends the Criminal code as follows:

Injuring or killing an unborn child while committing an offence

238.1 (1) Every one who injures or causes the death of a child before or during its birth while committing or attempting to commit an offence against the mother who is pregnant with the child is guilty of the offence of which the person would have been guilty had the injury or death occurred to the mother, and is liable for the punishment prescribed for that offence.

There is much more to this Bill.....

For More Info See: http://www.leonbenoit.com/recent.html

PS. Leon Benoit lives in Vegreville a couple hours from Edmonton.

Comments: Email: denagallant@shaw.ca

Dena Gallant
06-10-2006, 11:40 AM
http://groups.msn.com/MurderCase-JusticeforLiannaWhite

Dena Gallant
06-11-2006, 01:14 PM
GALLANT SPEAKS OUT!!!!!
Archaic LawsGoverning the Personhood of an Unborn Child

One thing keeps haunting people, that Liana was a victim of "homicidal violence" and marks on her body indicated she had been involved in a struggle before she died. Poor women she was fighting not only for her own life but the life of her unborn child.

Human Life Accounts for Something! It is an absolute disgrace that those who commit such crimes are not charged. How Could This Be That there is No Penalty for such Crimes against Humanity. How Could this Be?

Canada needs to change its laws to reflect the ultimate value, respect of human life of an unborn (victim of violence) child who was murdered just as the U.S.A. has done.

Research indicates the history of this outdated Canadian law not to treat an unborn child as human…

"Of infants killed ye are to distinguish whether they be killed in their mothers womb or after their births; in the first case it is not adjudged murder; for that none can judge whether it be a child before it be seen."

These archaic words, written by Andrew Horne in the early 1300's in his treatise The Mirror of Justices, were lent an unlikely resonance by a majority decision of the Supreme Court of Canada last year in a court case.

The ancient quote by Andrew Horne represents the earliest expression of the "born alive" rule, the common law authority governing the law on homicide of the unborn child; it was a conservative reflection of the state of medical ignorance at the time. So little was known about pregnancy, and pre-natal life in the womb, that an evidentiary rule was required; a child had to be observed to be born before one could deduce the presence of a new human being.

Incredibly over the last 600 years the law has changed little. Despite an explosion of medical knowledge about human life in the womb over the last three decades, the 'born alive" rule still dominates the Canadian legal definition of personhood. This ongoing reluctance of Canadian law to grasp the manifest continuity of an individual's human life before and after birth limits our justice system from creating rational, compassionate judgments regarding prenatal humans.

Meanwhile, Conservative Justice Critic Vic Toews said (prior to the Election that) he wouldn't be opposed to extending more legal protection to pregnant women.

"It's clear expectant mothers are a vulnerable group of people and deserving of additional protection," he said.

At the very least, Toews said a pregnant victim should be considered an aggravating factor in homicides and assaults.

</a>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/07/26/1147888-sun.html

For Further Information See: http://groups.msn.com/MurderCase-JusticeforLiannaWhite

aussiegran
06-11-2006, 04:53 PM
Dena Gallant - This is wonderful news .Congratulaions on winning this struggle .
I cant imagine how hard it has been for you and your family .
God Bless You
:dance: :clap:

Bobbisangel
07-01-2006, 10:20 PM
Will that fat slug of a husband be charged with 2 murders now or is it to late for that? Anyone know when he goes to trial?

Jess
10-30-2006, 07:33 PM
Jury selection starts in White trial (12:55 p.m.)
Will decide if potential jurors affected by publicity
Chris Purdy, edmontonjournal.com
Published: Monday, October 30, 2006

Jury selection has started for the murder trial of accused wife killer Michael White.

White, 28, charged with killing his pregnant wife and hiding her body, sat pale-faced in a suit and tie next to his pair of defence lawyers at the start of jury selection this morning. The courtroom was packed with a pool of 215 potential jurors.

Justice Mary Moreau of Court of Queen's Bench told the prospective jurors they will be questioned over two days to determine if they have been affected by media publicity surrounding the sensation case.
Michael White, shown here in October 2005 returning home after being released from the Edmonton Remand Centre. His bail has since been revoked. His murder trial in the death of his pregnant wife begins this week.View Larger Image View Larger Image
Michael White, shown here in October 2005 returning home after being released from the Edmonton Remand Centre. His bail has since been revoked. His murder trial in the death of his pregnant wife begins this week.
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The month-long trial will start Thursday.

White is charged with the second-degree murder of his pregnant wife, Liana, as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

Liana was four months pregnant with the couple's second child when she was reported missing in July 2005. Her vehicle was found abandoned in a north-side parking lot, not far from the couple's Castle Downs home.

Her body was found less than a week later in a ditch beside a country road north of the city.


http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=c52ba999-d94e-424e-ba4d-c9ec4cde5eef&k=0

lauriej
10-31-2006, 01:58 AM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/local/story.html?id=2aa83a3c-6297-49ac-90d7-e36772704de7&k=0

White trial to proceed with new lawyer (4:10 p.m.)

Former lawyer Larry Anderson appointed provincial court judge


edmontonjournal.com

Published: Wednesday, October 25, 2006
The murder trial of suspected wife-killer Michael White is still set to begin next week, even though his high-profiled defence lawyer has been appointed a judge.

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White, 28, is charged with the second-degree murder of his pregnant wife, Liana, as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

Liana was four months pregnant with the couple's second child when she was reported missing in July 2005. Her vehicle was found abandoned in a north-side parking lot, not far from the couple's Castle Downs home.

White was part of a search team that found her body, less than a week later, in a ditch beside a country road north of the city.

..more at link.
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/local/story.html?id=2aa83a3c-6297-49ac-90d7-e36772704de7&k=0

CyberLaw
11-01-2006, 04:43 PM
Regarding Bill C-291 - Private Members Bill was not declared because it was in violation of The Charter of Rights and Freedom.

Remember no law or Bill can pass if it in conflict with the Charter of Rights and Freedom. An "invitro" baby is not considered a person in need of protection in accordance with Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The baby would have to "be able to live apart from the Mother" to be considered a person. The pro life, anti abortion agenda is pretty transparent here. Extremely transparent.

There is no way, considering that Harper et al, is a minority that this would ever have a chance of passing even if it was declared constutional.

It would make abortion after 20 weeks of gestation(when a baby again cannot survive outside of a mothers womb) a criminal offence. Women would be "put in jail and convicted" if this Bill passed.

Sorry to disapoint you, but.........Private Members Bill seldom get declared into law, even at a Provincial Level, let alone at the Federal Level, especially when in essence it "changes" the existing Criminal Code. Especially when the sitting government is in a minority position.

But it was a "nice" try.......the pro lifers, anti abortion "people" do get pretty creative at times and use two women who were victimized to push their agenda.

Jess
11-02-2006, 07:58 PM
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061102/white_trial_061002/20061102?hub=Canada

EDMONTON -- Liana White was carrying her unborn child when her husband stabbed her to death, dumped her body in a ditch, then trashed paper towels so sodden that days later they were still wet with blood, a prosecutor told court Thursday.

"At the end of this trial, when you look at all the evidence, you will see a picture of Michael White killing his wife and trying to cover it up," Troy Couillard told jurors on the first day of White's second-degree murder trial.

Couillard delivered to the seven-man, five-woman panel an outline of the evidence he said will prove the guilt of White, a heavy-duty mechanic originally from Mar, Ont.

White's lawyer, Robert Shaigec, acknowledged in his opening address that the case will be difficult for the jury because of its brutality and warned that photos of the dead woman's body "are simply gruesome."

But he told jurors they must steel their nerves and weigh the evidence carefully. For example, he said, White picked up two garbage bags figuring in the prosecution's evidence simply out of a sense of public service.

The case made national headlines in July 2005 when Liana White, originally from Kelowna, B.C., reportedly disappeared while on her way to work one morning.

Her Ford Explorer was found abandoned in a gravel parking lot near the family home in north Edmonton. White pleaded for the public's help. Five days later, the pregnant woman's body was found in a ditch, her remains so decayed that dental records were needed to identify her.

Couillard told Court of Queen's Bench that evidence mounted quickly to implicate White, notably:

* Forensic tests showed Liana White was stabbed twice in the back, had wounds on her fingertips and likely died from a wound near her neck.
* Michael White said his wife left for work at 6:15 that morning, but when witnesses later said they saw the abandoned Explorer in the parking lot at 5:45 a.m., he changed his story to police.
* A security camera located between the home and the parking lot showed the Explorer driving in the direction of the lot but not with Liana White at the wheel. Minutes later it picked up a bald man running the other way. Michael White, said Couillard, was bald at the time.
* Two days after Liana White's disappearance, police followed Michael White as he went to a nearby field, where he picked up two garbage bags, took them home and left them out for garbage collectors. Police picked them up instead and found inside blood-stained clothes, a bloody doorknob cover, the bloody paper towels, latex gloves and a broken lamp that matched another lamp in the White home.
* Blood on the clothes in the garbage bag matched that of Liana White. DNA on the outside of the gloves was hers; DNA on the inside was his. Police found her blood in the couple's bedroom, on their bed and in the back of the Explorer along with signs someone had cleaned it up.

Jess
11-02-2006, 09:34 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/story.html?id=75aa4fa0-0001-4978-bfa5-6b3f234a87b8&k=99423&p=2

In afternoon testimony, an Edmonton police officer testified that while he searched the White home after her disappearance, he found traces of blood on the bedroom floor and on a bottle of bleach in the laundry room.

The trial is expected to last a month.

otto
11-02-2006, 09:43 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/story.html?id=75aa4fa0-0001-4978-bfa5-6b3f234a87b8&k=99423&p=2

In afternoon testimony, an Edmonton police officer testified that while he searched the White home after her disappearance, he found traces of blood on the bedroom floor and on a bottle of bleach in the laundry room.

The trial is expected to last a month.

How in the world does this guy expect to get away with her murder? The evidence is overwhelming ... like the video of her vehicle being driven to where it was found and a fat bald guy running in the opposite direction shortly thereafter. What a dumb guy to think that it isn't completely obvious what he did! Putting bloody paper towels in the trash and then putting the trash out for collection (where the police pick it up) - this guy deserves a dumb criminal award.

Jess
11-02-2006, 10:36 PM
How in the world does this guy expect to get away with her murder? The evidence is overwhelming ... like the video of her vehicle being driven to where it was found and a fat bald guy running in the opposite direction shortly thereafter. What a dumb guy to think that it isn't completely obvious what he did! Putting bloody paper towels in the trash and then putting the trash out for collection (where the police pick it up) - this guy deserves a dumb criminal award.

Quite incredible isn't it ? According to a tv reporter, by the questions the defense was asking a witness ( LE), they might be trying to say that LE didn't look hard enough for the "real" killer, but focused in on White.

otto
11-02-2006, 11:12 PM
Quite incredible isn't it ? According to a tv reporter, by the questions the defense was asking a witness ( LE), they might be trying to say that LE didn't look hard enough for the "real" killer, but focused in on White.

Is their theory going to be that the real killer snuck into the house when he was sleeping, quietly stabbed his wife several times (without waking up the toddler), cleaned up the crime scene, found her keys, moved her vehicle to a public parking lot, moved her body to the middle of no where and then, by telepathy, he was able to locate her body in the middle of no where? The lawyer has been watching too much TV if he thinks anyone is going to buy that.

Jess
11-02-2006, 11:25 PM
Is their theory going to be that the real killer snuck into the house when he was sleeping, quietly stabbed his wife several times (without waking up the toddler), cleaned up the crime scene, found her keys, moved her vehicle to a public parking lot, moved her body to the middle of no where and then, by telepathy, he was able to locate her body in the middle of no where? The lawyer has been watching too much TV if he thinks anyone is going to buy that.


:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: >>>>defense team !

otto
11-02-2006, 11:56 PM
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: >>>>defense team !

The lawyers appear to have a very dim view of the jury, clearly assuming that their combined IQ barely reaches 100.

docwho3
11-03-2006, 12:10 AM
The lawyers appear to have a very dim view of the jury, clearly assuming that their combined IQ barely reaches 100. No worries . . . . .as long as they don't have the OJ jury.

L L & S
11-03-2006, 12:24 AM
No worries . . . . .as long as they don't have the OJ jury. Dang, I'm still angry about that trial. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/furious.gif

Dare I say, as long as they don't also get stuck with the MJackson jury either. That was a complete fiasco also, imo.

Jess
11-03-2006, 07:18 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=d0e6c381-dd3f-41d8-9332-8b0a2921036d&k=0


Published: Friday, November 03, 2006

A neighbour saw Michael White speed away from their Castledowns community, driving his wife's Ford Explorer, about an hour before the vehicle was found abandoned in the parking lot of a nearby recreation area.

"I saw him drive by and I waved — I guess he didn't see me," Paul Beaudoin testified today during the second day of White's murder trial.

"In my mind, ‘Oh, he's late for work. He's in a big rush,’" said Beaudoin.


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An evidence phto shows the contents of a garbage bag, including blood-stained clothes, paper towels and a broken lamp and latex gloves. Police seized the bag after following Michael White to a field where he picked up these and other items and left them at the curbside for garbage pickup.
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White's pregnant wife, Liana, was reported missing later that day, July 12, 2005. White pleaded through the media for the public's help to find her.

On July 17, a volunteer search party discovered the decomposing body of the 29-year-old woman in a ditch north of the city.
White was charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.

Beaudoin said it was about 5 a.m. when he saw White cruise through a yield sign at 161st Avenue and Dunluce Road. He said White was behind the wheel of Liana's brown SUV. White usually drove his pick-up truck, he said.

Other witnesses testified they saw Liana's Explorer just before 6 a.m. in the parking lot next to a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street. Its driver's side door was wide open and a purse and shoes were lying on the ground.

otto
11-03-2006, 07:41 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=d0e6c381-dd3f-41d8-9332-8b0a2921036d&k=0


Published: Friday, November 03, 2006

A neighbour saw Michael White speed away from their Castledowns community, driving his wife's Ford Explorer, about an hour before the vehicle was found abandoned in the parking lot of a nearby recreation area.

"I saw him drive by and I waved — I guess he didn't see me," Paul Beaudoin testified today during the second day of White's murder trial.

"In my mind, ‘Oh, he's late for work. He's in a big rush,’" said Beaudoin.


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White's pregnant wife, Liana, was reported missing later that day, July 12, 2005. White pleaded through the media for the public's help to find her.

On July 17, a volunteer search party discovered the decomposing body of the 29-year-old woman in a ditch north of the city.
White was charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.

Beaudoin said it was about 5 a.m. when he saw White cruise through a yield sign at 161st Avenue and Dunluce Road. He said White was behind the wheel of Liana's brown SUV. White usually drove his pick-up truck, he said.

Other witnesses testified they saw Liana's Explorer just before 6 a.m. in the parking lot next to a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street. Its driver's side door was wide open and a purse and shoes were lying on the ground.

Michael obviously thought that by leaving her out in the country, police and the public would assume that she was another victim like so many other women that disappeared from the streets and ended up in the countryside. It sounds like he had a change of heart, at some time, and collected the stuff he discarded and put it curbside. This doesn't really make any sense, but if the lamp was left in a field and it could be traced to the home, then the husband clearly realized he'd made a big mistake. Why he didn't take the stuff to a dumster is a true mystery. I guess the neighbours knew early on that there was a problem with his story about sleeping while his wife left for work.

Alta
11-04-2006, 12:02 AM
I hope this guy rots in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.It always amazed me he just happened to be a part of the search party who found his wifes body that day.He probably led them right to her.

WhiteWolf
11-04-2006, 12:17 AM
Michael obviously thought that by leaving her out in the country, police and the public would assume that she was another victim like so many other women that disappeared from the streets and ended up in the countryside. It sounds like he had a change of heart, at some time, and collected the stuff he discarded and put it curbside. This doesn't really make any sense, but if the lamp was left in a field and it could be traced to the home, then the husband clearly realized he'd made a big mistake. Why he didn't take the stuff to a dumster is a true mystery. I guess the neighbours knew early on that there was a problem with his story about sleeping while his wife left for work.


Well, sheesh! Why would the "real killer" bother to take their lamp, paper towels, etc., away from the crime scene? AND how convenient that the "real killer" was a fat, bald doofus.

otto
11-04-2006, 02:18 AM
I hope this guy rots in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.It always amazed me he just happened to be a part of the search party who found his wifes body that day.He probably led them right to her.

He was leading the search party that found his wife. I remember thinking that maybe someone (from the army) did this and that's why Michael knew which areas to search. I guess it was better that he found the body that afternoon ... better than one of the search party seeing his wife like that.

He'll go for second degree and be out in 10. Manslaughter, unintentional death, means that in 10 years he'll be having a second family because it's reasonable to believe that with a married couple and young child ... when one parent kills the other ... it's most likely a "heat of the passion" moment. That seems like an excuse for murder that should be disallowed, in my opinion.

My verdict is 10 years ... the guy freaked, murdered and then did rediculously stupid stuff that obviously indicate that he didn't have a plan: Accidental death without him ever having to take responsibility for the fact that he can get so mad he can murder people. I suppose he could get a little anger treatment in jail ... imagine how mad he'll be when he is released.

Big, fat, bald guy known to be ...

otto
11-04-2006, 02:29 AM
Well, sheesh! Why would the "real killer" bother to take their lamp, paper towels, etc., away from the crime scene? AND how convenient that the "real killer" was a fat, bald doofus.

It's so comical that it's almost clinically absurd ... the lawyers are trying to diminish the crime to one of passion and accidental death ... he did such incredibly stupid stuff with the lamp and bloody paper towels, he couldn't possible have planned the murder ... except the fact that he had the forethought to leave her body in a rural field, like several other current missing women. The fact that Michael White thought to murder his wife and try to make it look like part of a string of murders demonstrates that he had forethought and intent (mallice) when he murdered her. It should be first degree ... but I think the jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and make it second.

Thoughts?

I do believe this is not a question of guilt, but one of first or second degree guilt. Second is 10 years, first is 25 years. I thnk he's guilty of first, but his lawyer is painting a picture of second.

WhiteWolf
11-04-2006, 05:45 AM
It's so comical that it's almost clinically absurd ... the lawyers are trying to diminish the crime to one of passion and accidental death ... he did such incredibly stupid stuff with the lamp and bloody paper towels, he couldn't possible have planned the murder ... except the fact that he had the forethought to leave her body in a rural field, like several other current missing women. The fact that Michael White thought to murder his wife and try to make it look like part of a string of murders demonstrates that he had forethought and intent (mallice) when he murdered her. It should be first degree ... but I think the jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and make it second.

Thoughts?

I do believe this is not a question of guilt, but one of first or second degree guilt. Second is 10 years, first is 25 years. I thnk he's guilty of first, but his lawyer is painting a picture of second.


I think the crime was first degree murder. He did a "Peterson" on his wife.

His plan for hiding his wife's body had to have some forethought because it was too elaborate to be spur of the moment. But, basically, I think his motive for killing her was to get rid of the responsibility of their baby.

otto
11-04-2006, 06:33 AM
I think the crime was first degree murder. He did a "Peterson" on his wife.

His plan for hiding his wife's body had to have some forethought because it was too elaborate to be spur of the moment. But, basically, I think his motive for killing her was to get rid of the responsibility of their baby.

He definitely did a Peterson but people will wonder what he had planned for their existing daughter. I suppose his parents were so used to looking after one but two meant that the family had to find other childcare.

So why were they so strapped for cash if he was in the armed forces ... can't they pay a salary that allows moms to raise children?

Jess
11-04-2006, 07:21 AM
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So why were they so strapped for cash if he was in the armed forces ... can't they pay a salary that allows moms to raise children?

He was no longer in the armed forces. He had been convicted of theft and was dishonourably discharged.( The full details are somewhere on the Lianna White threads on this board) White was working as a mechanic. While he was out on bail, he returned to that job. I'll be interested to see when we'll find out why that particular judge allowed him to be granted bail( which was revoked due I think, to the petition started by a neighbour )

WhiteWolf
11-04-2006, 02:19 PM
He definitely did a Peterson but people will wonder what he had planned for their existing daughter. I suppose his parents were so used to looking after one but two meant that the family had to find other childcare.

So why were they so strapped for cash if he was in the armed forces ... can't they pay a salary that allows moms to raise children?


Jess answered some of your questions in the above post.

They may not have been critically strapped for cash yet, but with the impending doctor and hospital bills for the new baby, he probably didn't want to wait to kill her.

I'm wondering if he had a double life going on like so many other wife killers?

otto
11-04-2006, 02:50 PM
Jess answered some of your questions in the above post.

They may not have been critically strapped for cash yet, but with the impending doctor and hospital bills for the new baby, he probably didn't want to wait to kill her.

I'm wondering if he had a double life going on like so many other wife killers?

He wouldn't have had any doctor or hospital bills because of national health care.

The double life seems like a possibility, but still ... they already had one child so his life had already changed. Maybe I'm generalizing, but it seems to me that men that murder their pregnant wives are usually trying to avoid growing up and having the responsibility of a family. This one seems different.

WhiteWolf
11-04-2006, 02:59 PM
He wouldn't have had any doctor or hospital bills because of national health care.

The double life seems like a possibility, but still ... they already had one child so his life had already changed. Maybe I'm generalizing, but it seems to me that men that murder their pregnant wives are usually trying to avoid growing up and having the responsibility of a family. This one seems different.


Oh, I forgot about the Canadian health care.

Two children are still more responsibility, though, especially if he didn't want to pay child support for another child if he divorced his wife.

Maybe his main focus was killing Leanne, and the baby was secondary? Remember the Peterson jury convicted Scott of 1st degree murder for Laci, and 2nd degree murder for Conner's murder. If he didn't love her anymore (hated?), and she just happened to be pregnant when he killed her, their first child wouldn't have been a problem for him.

otto
11-04-2006, 03:48 PM
Oh, I forgot about the Canadian health care.

Two children are still more responsibility, though, especially if he didn't want to pay child support for another child if he divorced his wife.

Maybe his main focus was killing Leanne, and the baby was secondary? Remember the Peterson jury convicted Scott of 1st degree murder for Laci, and 2nd degree murder for Conner's murder. If he didn't love her anymore (hated?), and she just happened to be pregnant when he killed her, their first child wouldn't have been a problem for him.

The motive is definitely a mystery with this one.

otto
11-04-2006, 05:21 PM
This case has been compared to that of Laci Peterson. It is interesting to see the difference with how it was handled in comparison to the Laci Peterson case. There was no media hype or talking heads analyzing every detail. In fact, no details were made availabe until the trial and everyone was perfectly happy to sit patiently and wait for the information to be released. We can also compare it to how Natalee Holloway's case was handled in Aruba. All three countries: Aruba, the US and Canada have very different ways of handling investigations and prosecutions of missing or murdered people. I think there is much to be said for keeping investigations out of the media, specifically for the purpose of ensuring a fair trial. In fact, I suspect that Aruba would have handled Natalee's case much like Canada handled Liana's case had they been allowed to proceed without media interference.

Jess
11-04-2006, 05:30 PM
The difference in the two justice / social systems is so evident. All news reports whether they be print, radio or television are virtually identical because the media is only allowed to report what is said in court ! No witnesses or family are talking to the press or leaking anything. Neither are the lawyers or any members of their firms.The case, contrary to the pastor's assertions, is being tried in a court of law ---------- and no where else !

Bobbisangel
11-05-2006, 03:54 AM
I think the crime was first degree murder. He did a "Peterson" on his wife.

His plan for hiding his wife's body had to have some forethought because it was too elaborate to be spur of the moment. But, basically, I think his motive for killing her was to get rid of the responsibility of their baby.


It's a shame that he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. He didn't have to kill her. From everything that I remember reading about Lianna she seemed like such a nice person that everyone who knew her spoke so highly of. I wonder if they had been having problems and if she was thinking about leaving him?

I think that he went and picked up those two garbage bags full of bloody stuff because he was afraid someone would find them in the field and it was probably his garbage day so he thought the bags would be gone that same day. But LE beat the garbage truck to the house. Thank God!

He stabbed Lianna in the back. That to me means he meant to kill her which should have been 1st degree. I hate to even think of this poor little gal trying to defend herself against that big fat blob of a waste of space. But she had defense wounds on her hands if memory serves me.

Is the trial still going? Can anyone from Canada post the newspaper links so we can keep track of what is happening please. I followed this case as much as we were allowed to hear and I really want to see that there is justice for Lianna. In my mind 10 yrs isn't justice for anyone. Will he be out in about 6 yrs or so? Lianna's life was worth much more than that.

Jess
11-05-2006, 09:04 AM
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Is the trial still going? Can anyone from Canada post the newspaper links so we can keep track of what is happening please. I followed this case as much as we were allowed to hear and I really want to see that there is justice for Lianna. In my mind 10 yrs isn't justice for anyone. Will he be out in about 6 yrs or so? Lianna's life was worth much more than that.

If you read further back, I have been posting the newspaper accounts since the trial started on November 2 which was this past Thursday. There is no additional information as all that is reported on is what is said in the court room which is on the public record.

otto
11-05-2006, 04:47 PM
It's a shame that he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. He didn't have to kill her. From everything that I remember reading about Lianna she seemed like such a nice person that everyone who knew her spoke so highly of. I wonder if they had been having problems and if she was thinking about leaving him?

I think that he went and picked up those two garbage bags full of bloody stuff because he was afraid someone would find them in the field and it was probably his garbage day so he thought the bags would be gone that same day. But LE beat the garbage truck to the house. Thank God!

He stabbed Lianna in the back. That to me means he meant to kill her which should have been 1st degree. I hate to even think of this poor little gal trying to defend herself against that big fat blob of a waste of space. But she had defense wounds on her hands if memory serves me.

Is the trial still going? Can anyone from Canada post the newspaper links so we can keep track of what is happening please. I followed this case as much as we were allowed to hear and I really want to see that there is justice for Lianna. In my mind 10 yrs isn't justice for anyone. Will he be out in about 6 yrs or so? Lianna's life was worth much more than that.

I just read a bit more carefully and indeed he is only charged with second degree murder. I guess the police assume that they got in a big argument, he pulled out a knife and stabbed her in the back. I think it will really come down to the Judge as to whether it is 10 years with or without early parole. If he admitted what he did, he would probably get 10 years with early parole. Denying it will probably get him a full 10 years.

The trial is scheduled for a month.

Jess
11-05-2006, 05:18 PM
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/rsrch/briefs/b27/b27_e.shtml
First-degree murder is one that is planned and deliberate, also encompassing contract killings and the murder of police officers and prison employees. Second-degree murder entails all murder that is not first degree. Since 1976, the mandatory penalty for an individual convicted of first-degree murder is life imprisonment, with no eligibility of parole before 25 years of the sentence has been served in prison. Second degree murder also carries a mandatory penalty of life imprisonment, with a parole ineligibility period of ten years minimum, however the sentencing judge may vary that period from 10 years to a maximum of 25 years.

For first and second-degree murder sentences without parole, the offender remains imprisoned for life. Offenders who are paroled while serving life sentences must remain on parole for life unless parole is revoked. If parole is revoked, the offender is re-incarcerated. In many cases, murderers remain in prison until they die. Despite the parole ineligibility periods accompanying these mandatory life sentences, some offenders are released from prison before their original parole ineligibility period is up. When the Criminal Law Amendment Act was passed in 1976, it included a provision known as the "Faint Hope Clause". This provision refers to the process of judicial review, whereby an offender may apply to the court for a reduction in the amount of time served incarcerated before they become eligible for parole. This Judicial Review does not mean an early parole for the offender, and it does not reduce the sentence imposed by the court. This "Faint Hope Clause" simply allows certain offenders who have served at least fifteen years of a life sentence to apply to a court to have their cases reviewed by the National Parole Board at an earlier date. In order to be eligible for judicial review, the offender must have: been convicted of high treason or first degree murder (resulting in an automatic life sentence with no eligibility for parole for 25 years) or; must have been convicted of second degree murder and sentenced to life imprisonment without eligibility for parole for a period of greater than fifteen years; and have served at least fifteen years from time of arrest.

otto
11-05-2006, 05:51 PM
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/rsrch/briefs/b27/b27_e.shtml
First-degree murder is one that is planned and deliberate, also encompassing contract killings and the murder of police officers and prison employees. Second-degree murder entails all murder that is not first degree. Since 1976, the mandatory penalty for an individual convicted of first-degree murder is life imprisonment, with no eligibility of parole before 25 years of the sentence has been served in prison. Second degree murder also carries a mandatory penalty of life imprisonment, with a parole ineligibility period of ten years minimum, however the sentencing judge may vary that period from 10 years to a maximum of 25 years.

For first and second-degree murder sentences without parole, the offender remains imprisoned for life. Offenders who are paroled while serving life sentences must remain on parole for life unless parole is revoked. If parole is revoked, the offender is re-incarcerated. In many cases, murderers remain in prison until they die. Despite the parole ineligibility periods accompanying these mandatory life sentences, some offenders are released from prison before their original parole ineligibility period is up. When the Criminal Law Amendment Act was passed in 1976, it included a provision known as the "Faint Hope Clause". This provision refers to the process of judicial review, whereby an offender may apply to the court for a reduction in the amount of time served incarcerated before they become eligible for parole. This Judicial Review does not mean an early parole for the offender, and it does not reduce the sentence imposed by the court. This "Faint Hope Clause" simply allows certain offenders who have served at least fifteen years of a life sentence to apply to a court to have their cases reviewed by the National Parole Board at an earlier date. In order to be eligible for judicial review, the offender must have: been convicted of high treason or first degree murder (resulting in an automatic life sentence with no eligibility for parole for 25 years) or; must have been convicted of second degree murder and sentenced to life imprisonment without eligibility for parole for a period of greater than fifteen years; and have served at least fifteen years from time of arrest.

Good article! I guess this is what I'm used to ... "Second degree murder also carries a mandatory penalty of life imprisonment, with a parole ineligibility period of ten years minimum, however the sentencing judge may vary that period from 10 years to a maximum of 25 years." and "Capital sentences abolished and replaced with 1st and 2nd degree murder sentences. First-degree murder is eligible for parole after 25 years and, in some cases, after 15 years. Parole eligibility for second-degree murder sentences vary between 10 and 25 years." That is, most second degree murders seem to have a 10 year sentence. I was mistaken in thinking that someone could be paroled for second degree murder in less than 10 years.

Maybe the fact that Liana was pregnant will figure into the sentencing and make it 25 years before being eligible for parole ... hard to say. Pleading "not guilty", given the mountain of evidence, is bound to make the Judge a little irritated with the suspect.

I remember a case in Alberta where one man killed another, claiming that the dead man made a sexual pass at the murderer. He said the 'pass' him so mad that he flew into a rage and killed the guy. That resulted in 10 years. The crown argued that it was a drug and alcohol night that got out of control - hoping for 15 - 25 years.

There was another case about 6 years ago where a husband strangled his wife with the chord of a blow dryer. She was going to leave him and he didn't like that idea. He got 10 years.

Do we know who is raising their daughter? I thought that his parents were looking after her when it first happened. I would be concerned about the parents of a murderer raising another child.

Jess
11-05-2006, 06:47 PM
Lianna's mother is raising her grandaughter. The co workers and neighbours recently had an afternoon BBQ to raise money for her fund. They have not forgotten Lianna or her child. There is no law in Canada such as the Laci and Conner law in the states. I doubt whether the pregnancy will have any affect on the sentencing.
I suppose a defence lawyer cannot say, "Look the evidence is overwhelming so you need to plead guilty and or make a deal " if the client insists he is innocent.

lauriej
11-06-2006, 03:51 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/061102/n1102140.html

...EDMONTON (CP) - ............".Liana White was carrying her unborn child when her husband stabbed her to death, dumped her body in a ditch, then trashed paper towels so sodden that days later they were still wet with blood, a prosecutor told court Thursday. "
"At the end of this trial, when you look at all the evidence, you will see a picture of Michael White killing his wife and trying to cover it up," Troy Couillard told jurors on the first day of White's second-degree murder trial. "


......"Two days after Liana White's disappearance, police followed Michael White as he went to a nearby field, where he picked up two garbage bags, took them home and left them out for garbage collectors. Police picked them up instead and found inside blood-stained clothes, a bloody doorknob cover, the bloody paper towels, latex gloves and a broken lamp that matched another lamp in the White home.
-Blood on the clothes in the garbage bag matched that of Liana White. DNA on the outside of the gloves was hers; DNA on the inside was his. Police found her blood in the couple's bedroom, on their bed and in the back of the Explorer along with signs someone had cleaned it up.

During Thursday's proceedings, White, 29, clasped his hands between his knees, leaned forward at times and cast glances at the approximately 50 people in the gallery. At times he appeared to blink back tears.

When asked to enter a plea, he stood with his hands behind him and announced in a clear voice, "I'm not guilty."

................more @ link

.......AND, he was also the one who led a search team OUTSIDE the parameters of the search area, that miraculously found liana ??

.......AND...he now shows up in court with his hair grown out------------as if any of us, or the jury, will forget that yeah, he was the bald guy last summer.

.."Forensic tests showed Liana White was stabbed twice in the back, had wounds on her fingertips and likely died from a wound near her neck. "

..............WHAT a coward----------not only does he kill his beautiful wife (that's-half-his size-)--------he stabs her in the back.

..i'm a canadian------and i have no problem what so ever wishing we had the death penalty ---he stabs his pregnant wife to death? leaves the little 3 yr.old girl with no mother ?---------and he gets to live ????how on earth is that fair ?

otto
11-06-2006, 10:31 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/061102/n1102140.html

.......AND, he was also the one who led a search team OUTSIDE the parameters of the search area, that miraculously found liana ??

.......AND...he now shows up in court with his hair grown out------------as if any of us, or the jury, will forget that yeah, he was the bald guy last summer.

.."Forensic tests showed Liana White was stabbed twice in the back, had wounds on her fingertips and likely died from a wound near her neck. "

..............WHAT a coward----------not only does he kill his beautiful wife (that's-half-his size-)--------he stabs her in the back.

..i'm a canadian------and i have no problem what so ever wishing we had the death penalty ---he stabs his pregnant wife to death? leaves the little 3 yr.old girl with no mother ?---------and he gets to live ????how on earth is that fair ?

The problem with the death penalty is whether it is used as punishment or as a deterent. In theory it is supposed to be a deterent, not punishment, since murder in the heat of the moment is a type of mistake; an uncontrolled, out of character situation. The murder rate is in Canada is relatively low compared to most countries even without the death penalty, so it's not needed as a deterent. Additionally, the death penalty is considered barbaric by most western countries. When you think about it, someone is allowed to commit murder to enforce capital punishment, and that should be a problem in itself.

What Michael White did is horrible and he should be punished, but sitting in a little room for a very long time with no rights is a pretty awful punishment. Death always seems like the easy way out to me.

Jess
11-07-2006, 05:46 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=5bd18637-62d6-43be-97ac-209463f0f6c5&k=0

na White's body was covered with tree branches and leaves when a volunteer search team found the pregnant woman lying in a ditch north of the city last summer.

Her husband Michael White, who had pleaded for the public's help to find the missing woman, sat in the court prisoner's box Tuesday wiping his nose as dozens of police photos were entered into evidence.

White, 29, is on trial charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body. He has pleaded not guilty.


A middle-aged woman sitting on the jury also cried and wiped tears from her face while looking through binders of photos.

Among the pictures of Liana's decomposing body, police took photos of blood stains found in the couple's Castledowns home and in the back of Liana's Ford Explorer.

A chemical compound called luminol was used to make most of the invisible blood spots glow in the dark, explained Edmonton police Const. James Johnstone.

White reported his wife missing after her SUV was found in the gravel parking lot next to a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street on July 12, 2005. The vehicle's door was left open and Liana's purse and shoes were on the ground.

Liana's body was found on July 17, in a ditch along Rural Route 251 at Township Road 542. She was four months pregnant with the couple's second child.

Crown prosecutor Troy Couillard earlier told the jury evidence will prove White stabbed Liana to death in their bedroom then cleaned up the blood, dumped her body in the ditch and staged an abduction.

White's lawyer, Robert Shaigec, said his client plans to testify later in the trial that he loved his wife and did not kill her.

Jay78
11-07-2006, 07:06 PM
I live in Edmonton. This case rocked the city last summer. I just hope he gets a lengthy stay in prison. It angers me that he could have the will to plead innocence when he claims his wife left and never came back when there is a HUGE pile of evidence indicating that he killed her at home. As for motive, it was revealed at one point during the prelim. hearing that Liana had told someone she was planning to leave him. Perhaps she said she was going and he simply lost it. The trial began last week and is expected to take a month.

Jess
11-07-2006, 08:12 PM
According to Globalnews , Michael White broke down while the jury was looking at the binder of photos which included pictures of the two garbage bags, the knife and pictures of Lianna's body. Awwww dontcha feel sorry for him !!
Who is he trying to fool !

otto
11-07-2006, 08:26 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=5bd18637-62d6-43be-97ac-209463f0f6c5&k=0

na White's body was covered with tree branches and leaves when a volunteer search team found the pregnant woman lying in a ditch north of the city last summer.

Her husband Michael White, who had pleaded for the public's help to find the missing woman, sat in the court prisoner's box Tuesday wiping his nose as dozens of police photos were entered into evidence.

White, 29, is on trial charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body. He has pleaded not guilty.


A middle-aged woman sitting on the jury also cried and wiped tears from her face while looking through binders of photos.

Among the pictures of Liana's decomposing body, police took photos of blood stains found in the couple's Castledowns home and in the back of Liana's Ford Explorer.

A chemical compound called luminol was used to make most of the invisible blood spots glow in the dark, explained Edmonton police Const. James Johnstone.

White reported his wife missing after her SUV was found in the gravel parking lot next to a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street on July 12, 2005. The vehicle's door was left open and Liana's purse and shoes were on the ground.

Liana's body was found on July 17, in a ditch along Rural Route 251 at Township Road 542. She was four months pregnant with the couple's second child.

Crown prosecutor Troy Couillard earlier told the jury evidence will prove White stabbed Liana to death in their bedroom then cleaned up the blood, dumped her body in the ditch and staged an abduction.

White's lawyer, Robert Shaigec, said his client plans to testify later in the trial that he loved his wife and did not kill her.

Thanks for all the updates ... I looked earlier today and couldn't find anything.

The part that bothers me is that he came up with a staged abduction in rather short time. Even if he accidentally killed her the night before, he still had only a few hours to park the vehicle with shoes, purse and cell phone strewn around to look like an abduction and then dump Liana out in the country to look like it was one of the many women discovered in those areas. This all seems to me like a planned murder, not a spur of the moment event. It's almost like he'd been thinking about it for some time and then something triggered him into putting the plan into action.

Jay78
11-07-2006, 10:11 PM
Thanks for all the updates ... I looked earlier today and couldn't find anything.

The part that bothers me is that he came up with a staged abduction in rather short time. Even if he accidentally killed her the night before, he still had only a few hours to park the vehicle with shoes, purse and cell phone strewn around to look like an abduction and then dump Liana out in the country to look like it was one of the many women discovered in those areas. This all seems to me like a planned murder, not a spur of the moment event. It's almost like he'd been thinking about it for some time and then something triggered him into putting the plan into action.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had, like i said, in the preliminary hearing, its was revealed that their relationship had been failing for sometime, so perhaps he knew that she was gonna leave him and couldn't let her go and had planned to kill her.

otto
11-07-2006, 10:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he had, like i said, in the preliminary hearing, its was revealed that their relationship had been failing for sometime, so perhaps he knew that she was gonna leave him and couldn't let her go and had planned to kill her.

That's so sad ... that the reason he may have done this was to prevent her from having a life away from him.

Jess
11-08-2006, 09:50 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/08/2276753-sun.html


Wed, November 8, 2006
Juror cries at images
Constable describes crime scene at trial, remains seen in 'recovery site' pictures

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




Jurors at the murder trial of accused wife killer Michael White were treated to a little CSI Edmonton yesterday as they were led down a photographic crime scene trail.

With Const. James Johnstone, of the city police forensic identification section, as their guide, the jury members pored over photos of evidence seized from garbage bags White was observed putting out for pickup.

Some of the items included a broken lamp matching a lamp from the White home, blood-stained latex gloves, bloody paper towels and blood-stained clothing.

The attention of the five women and seven men on the jury was then diverted to the White's 227 Warwick Cres. house, where they looked at typical interior shots.

However, the jury was then shown darkened pictures of certain areas, including the master bedroom, where police had sprayed Luminol, a chemical agent that glows blue when it comes into positive contact with blood.

Similar blue-tinged photos were shown of the hallway leading from the bedroom, the front entrance, the garage and the rear cargo area of the victim's Ford Explorer.

The photographic tour then took a grim twist as the scene shifted to a heavily bushed rural area near Morinville where the decomposed remains of Liana White were discovered in what is being called the body recovery site.

One female juror began crying as the jury looked at the disturbing pictures, which included photos of a leg protruding from the undergrowth and a leaf-covered face.

Michael White appeared shaken as Johnstone talked about the recovery scene pictures and leaned forward, holding his head in his hands and rubbing his eyes.

White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and offering an indignity to human remains.

The jurors have been told they will hear Liana White, a 29-year-old pregnant mom, was reported missing on July 12, 2005, and her body was found five days later.

As well, they will see a security video from a nearby pub showing the Explorer heading towards the parking lot, but the driver is not Liana.

As well, the video shows a man with White's build and hair style at the time running away from the field in the direction of the Whites' home.

Police witnesses are expected to say White was seen on July 14 picking up two garbage bags from a field and taking them home and putting them out for garbage pickup.

Jurors were also told they will hear expert evidence that DNA from both Michael and Liana White was found on a sock and a latex glove seized from the garbage bags.

The defence told jurors White will testify in his own defence and say he loved his wife and did not kill her.

Jess
11-08-2006, 10:09 PM
From the local newcasts

Blood stained items from the garbage bags were sent to a lab in Ontario
3 blue gloves ( one glove found in the pants'pocket)
gray sock
paper towels
piece of fabric taken from pants

For the DNA NOT to be Lianna's --- 1 in 5.1 trillion
For the DNA NOT to be Michael's --- 1 in 1.87 trillion

The DNA expert is to be cross-examined by the defense tomorrow.

Also a video was shown - and in it, as the officer is panning the area where the body was found, Michael's truck can be clearly seen.White was viewing his own monitor at the defense table. One news report says he was covering his mouth with his hands. Another said it looked like he was wiping away tears.

No print report so far.

Jess
11-09-2006, 09:22 AM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/11/09/2289044-sun.html

Blood, skin cells found on latex gloves and a sock

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




Jurors at the Michael White murder trial yesterday heard expert testimony saying there were astronomically high odds that the DNA found on two latex gloves and a sock match the DNA of both Michael White and Liana White.

Stephen Denison, a DNA expert from a private Ontario lab, testified he analysed various items sent to him from evidence gathered by city cops in the White investigation.

Regarding two latex gloves police found in garbage bags seized after White put them out for pickup while under surveillance, Denison said he was able to get DNA profiles from both the bloodstained areas and the unstained portions from inside the fingertips on both gloves.

Denison told the jury the DNA profile found on the bloodstained areas matched the DNA profile of Liana White and the odds that it belonged to someone other than her was pegged at one in 5.1 trillion.

He testified the DNA profile found on skin cells discovered inside the fingertips matched the DNA profile of Michael White and the odds it belonged to someone other than him was pegged at one in 8.7 trillion.


Court heard one of the gloves was found in the right front pocket of a pair of bloodstained pants discovered inside the seized garbage bags while the second was from a first-aid kit also found inside the seized garbage bags.

Regarding the sock, which was also discovered in the seized garbage bags, Denison said he submitted for DNA analysis both a bloodstained area and cellular material.

The DNA from the blood found on the sock matched the DNA profile of Liana White and Denison said the odds that it belonged to someone else were one in 5.1 trillion.

The DNA profile of the cellular material matched to more than one donor, including a man, and Denison said the male donor matched the DNA profile of Michael White with the odds of it belonging to someone else pegged at one in 3.4 billion.
Denison told the jury he also analysed a sample taken at autopsy from the fetus inside the pregnant Liana White and said the likelihood Michael White was the father of the unborn child was 99.998%.

Jess
11-09-2006, 11:30 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/09/2300937.html


Thu, November 9, 2006
Medical examiner testifies in White trial
Liana died of 'homicidal violence'

By TONY BLAIS, Court Bureau




Jurors at the Michael White murder trial were told Thursday by the medical examiner that victim Liana White died as a result of “homicidal violence.”

However, Dr. Bernard Bannach was unable to provide much more of a detailed cause of death due to White’s body being so decomposed as a result of widespread maggot infestation and scavenging by animals.

Bannach, who performed an autopsy on White’s body, testified he found two stab wounds to her lower back, one superficial and one deeper, and cut marks on a couple of fingers which are consistent with defensive wounds.

The pathologist said he was unable to examine one of White’s hands because there was no skin left.

Bannach told the jury the fatal injury was likely in the neck region although he had no skin tissue to prove it due to the extreme decomposition of the neck and face areas.

When asked why he had pinpointed the neck, Bannach replied: “Based on excluding other parts of the body.”

Under cross examination, the medical examiner expanded on the subject, saying the fatal injury would have been “some sort of trauma to the neck” which could have either been a stab wound or manual strangulation.

Bannach testified he sent police back to the site where White’s body was found to see if they could locate her missing hyoid, a small horseshoe-shaped bone found sitting above the Adam’s apple. It was not located.

He said the hyoid is sometimes broken during manual strangulation.

Bannach also told the jury there were no signs of sexual assault and said the size of the fetus inside White’s body showed she was between 14 and 16 weeks pregnant.

As Bannach led jurors through the graphic autopsy photos, Michael White appeared to be crying and was holding his face with his hands and rubbing his eyes with tissues.

White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and offering an indignity to human remains.

Liana White, a 29-year-old pregnant mom, went missing on July 12, 2005, and her body was found five days later.

On Wednesday, a DNA expert testified he found DNA belonging to both Michael and Liana White on two latex gloves and a sock cops found in garbage bags seized after White put them out for pickup while under surveillance.

He said the DNA profile found on the bloodstained areas matched Liana White and the odds that it belonged to someone other than her was pegged at one in 5.1-trillion.

He said the DNA profile found on skin cells found inside the fingertips matched Michael White and the odds it belonged to someone else was pegged at one in 8.7-trillion.

otto
11-09-2006, 11:43 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/09/2300937.html


Thu, November 9, 2006
Medical examiner testifies in White trial
Liana died of 'homicidal violence'

By TONY BLAIS, Court Bureau




Jurors at the Michael White murder trial were told Thursday by the medical examiner that victim Liana White died as a result of “homicidal violence.”

However, Dr. Bernard Bannach was unable to provide much more of a detailed cause of death due to White’s body being so decomposed as a result of widespread maggot infestation and scavenging by animals.

Bannach, who performed an autopsy on White’s body, testified he found two stab wounds to her lower back, one superficial and one deeper, and cut marks on a couple of fingers which are consistent with defensive wounds.

The pathologist said he was unable to examine one of White’s hands because there was no skin left.

Bannach told the jury the fatal injury was likely in the neck region although he had no skin tissue to prove it due to the extreme decomposition of the neck and face areas.

When asked why he had pinpointed the neck, Bannach replied: “Based on excluding other parts of the body.”

Under cross examination, the medical examiner expanded on the subject, saying the fatal injury would have been “some sort of trauma to the neck” which could have either been a stab wound or manual strangulation.

Bannach testified he sent police back to the site where White’s body was found to see if they could locate her missing hyoid, a small horseshoe-shaped bone found sitting above the Adam’s apple. It was not located.

He said the hyoid is sometimes broken during manual strangulation.

Bannach also told the jury there were no signs of sexual assault and said the size of the fetus inside White’s body showed she was between 14 and 16 weeks pregnant.

As Bannach led jurors through the graphic autopsy photos, Michael White appeared to be crying and was holding his face with his hands and rubbing his eyes with tissues.

White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and offering an indignity to human remains.

Liana White, a 29-year-old pregnant mom, went missing on July 12, 2005, and her body was found five days later.

On Wednesday, a DNA expert testified he found DNA belonging to both Michael and Liana White on two latex gloves and a sock cops found in garbage bags seized after White put them out for pickup while under surveillance.

He said the DNA profile found on the bloodstained areas matched Liana White and the odds that it belonged to someone other than her was pegged at one in 5.1-trillion.

He said the DNA profile found on skin cells found inside the fingertips matched Michael White and the odds it belonged to someone else was pegged at one in 8.7-trillion.

Thank you for all the updates. This is just awful to read. Knowing that he stabbed her twice in the lower back, once deep, you have to think that he wanted to hurt the baby without directly stabbing her in the stomach. Stabbing in the lower back is probably equally dangerous. I think he wanted to avoid having more children and the best way for him was to do what he did. This is just as awful as what Peterson did to Laci and it seems that the reasons were pretty much the same. I've wondered if Liana read about the Laci case and whether she discussed it with her husband.

Jess
11-09-2006, 11:53 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=7dd640e6-9429-4277-a958-6bdfacbe21c5&k=19908

Cause of death unclear in murder trial
Chris Purdy, Edmonton Journal
Published: Thursday, November 09, 2006

Liana White died from a neck injury — likely a stab wound or strangulation.

Dr. Bernard Bannach, Alberta’s assistant chief medical examiner, testified Thursday that he could not make a clear finding because the pregnant woman’s body was badly scavenged by insects and large animals as it lay face-down in a ditch north of the city in July 2005.

Bannach ruled the official cause of death was “homicidal violence.”





Michael White sat in the courtroom prisoner’s box, sobbing into his hands as Bannach further described the body’s injuries and extensive decomposition.

White, a 29-year-old mechanic, is charged with the second-degree murder of his wife as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

Bannach told the jury that Liana was found naked and covered with branches and leaves in the ditch, along Rural Route 251 at Township Road 542. But there was no evidence she had been sexually assaulted.

He said there were two visible stab wounds on her body. She was stabbed in the lower back and in the upper left buttock, while she was alive. Cuts on two of her left fingers suggest she tried to defend herself.

“The (cuts) can be caused by defending, trying to bat away a knife or grasp a knife,” said Bannach.

He said yellow scrapes on Liana’s backside also indicate she may have been dragged after she died.

He could not determine a time of death.

White reported his wife missing on the morning of July 12, after her Ford Explorer was found abandoned near a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street, not far from their Castle Downs home. He pleaded with the public for help to find her.

A volunteer search party discovered her body five days later. Liana was four months pregnant with the couple’s second child.

Crown prosecutor Troy Couillard told the jury at the start of the trial last week that he plans to prove White stabbed Liana in their bedroom, then cleaned up the blood, dumped her body in the ditch and staged an abduction.

Bannach said he sent police officers back to the ditch where Liana’s body was found to search for a small bone missing from her throat. If someone had strangled her with their hands, the bone would be broken. If she had been strangled with a ligature, such as a rope or wire, the bone would be intact.

The bone was not found.

Bannach said the amount of insect activity above Liana’s shoulders means it’s more likely she had an open stab or slash wound to her neck.

Jess
11-10-2006, 07:51 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=d888f412-58b8-48e9-86db-1f73254431d7&k=0

(1:18 p.m.)
Had previously been at site where Liana’s body was found
Chris Purdy, edmontonjournal.com
Published: Friday, November 10, 2006

Michael White was familiar with the site north of Edmonton where his pregnant wife's body was discovered in July 2005.

Next-door neighbour Frank Colautti testified today that he and White had earlier constructed a shared gravel driveway between their houses, then dumped a load of dirt and sod at the site north on 142nd Street, near Rural Route 251 at Township Road 542.

White's wife, Liana, was reported missing on July 12, after her Ford Explorer was found abandoned near a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street, not far from their home on Warwick Crescent. White pleaded for the public's help to find her.

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A volunteer search team, which included White, found her body in a ditch near the junk site five days later.

White, 29, is on trial charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.

Colautti testified that he joined the search team and, for four days, helped White and others comb through an area northwest of the city. He said White led the search.

"It was his decision where to go," said Colautti. "He indicated where he wanted the searches to go, what to look under."

Colautti said he and his wife went to a birthday party on July 17, so he did not help with the final day of the search when Liana's body was found.

Jess
11-10-2006, 11:15 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/10/2313959.html


Fri, November 10, 2006
White appeared genuine
Cop testifies at murder trial

By TONY BLAIS, Court Bureau




Accused wife-killer Michael White was described by police as crying, distraught and concerned when he was first questioned after his wife’s disappearance.

Const. Bill Allen testified Friday that he went over to the White’s 227 Warwick Cres. home after being the first to investigate Liana White’s abandoned Ford Explorer.

Allen said he initially spoke to White on the phone and noted he “appeared distraught” and then said White returned home from his job as a mechanic at the same time as Liana’s mother, Maureen Kelly, arrived at the house.

Allen said Kelly was kneeling with her hands up to her head and White was also holding his head in his hands.

Const. Vernon Tuttle was with Allen at the time and said both Kelly and White “appeared genuinely concerned.”

Const. Eric Wilde showed up an hour later and assisted White in filling out a missing persons questionnaire.

“Mr. White was concerned, distraught. He was co-operative,” said Wilde. “He was crying. He was going to the phone trying to contact other people.”

Wilde said White also spent time trying to comfort his mother-in-law and a family friend.

“He was expressing he had no idea, that he didn’t feel this was real,” continued Wilde. “He broke down many times during the questionnaire.”

White also told Wilde he last saw and spoke to Liana about 6:15 a.m. that morning in their bedroom as he lay in the bed and she was heading out to work.

White also said he had search experience from his time as a soldier and had many questions about what type of search the police would do and how long they would look.

Meanwhile, a man who lived next door to the Whites and went searching for Liana with Michael testified Friday that he and Michael earlier dumped soil from a driveway project near the spot her body was later found.

Frank Colautti also told the jury that Michael White was in charge of their little search party.

“He indicated where he wanted the searchers to go, what to look under,” said Colautti. “It was basically his decision where to search next.”

White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and offering an indignity to human remains.

Liana White, a 29-year-old pregnant mom, went missing on July 12, 2005, and her body was found five days later.

On Thursday, the jury heard Liana died as a result of “homicidal violence” and was either fatally stabbed in the neck region or manually strangulated.

On Wednesday, a DNA expert testified he found DNA belonging to both Michael and Liana White on two latex gloves and a sock cops found in garbage bags seized after White put them out for pick-up while under surveillance.

Jess
11-10-2006, 11:18 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=254a399f-d58b-44a5-97e5-0469061996c1&k=82169

Neighbour testifies at White trial (6:23 p.m.)
Chris Purdy, Edmonton Journal
Published: Friday, November 10, 2006

Michael White was familiar with the spot north of Edmonton where his pregnant wife's body was discovered in July 2005.

His next-door neighbour Frank Colautti testified Friday that he and White had earlier constructed a shared gravel driveway between their houses. They then dumped a load of dirt and sod near Rural Route 251 at Township Road 542, a common site for discarded junk.

White's wife, Liana, was reported missing on July 12, after her Ford Explorer was found abandoned near a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street, not far from their home on Warwick Crescent. White pleaded for the public's help to find her.

A volunteer search team, which included White, found her decomposing body in a ditch near the junk site five days later. Naked and four months pregnant with their second child, Liana was covered with branches and leaves near an old toilet.

White was arrested the next day. He is now on trial charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.

Colautti testified that he joined the search team and, for four days, helped White and others comb through an area northwest of the city. He said White led the search.

"It was his decision where to go," said Colautti. "He indicated where he wanted the searches to go, what to look under."

Colautti said he and his wife went to a birthday party on July 17, so he did not help with the fifth and final day of the search when Liana's body was found.

Const. William Allen testified the missing person's case began shortly after he and his partner were called to investigate Liana's abandoned SUV. The driver's door was open, keys were lying on the floor and Liana's purse and shoes were on the ground.

The owner was listed as Michael White, so they left a message on the family's home answering machine then drove to their home to see if anything suspicious had happened there.

Using the set of keys left in the SUV, they unlocked the house and garage and found nothing out of place.
Allen then reached White on his cell phone. White phoned Liana's mother, and they both rushed to meet police at the house.

They were both distraught, said Allen. White, wearing mechanic's overalls, put his hands on top of his head. Maureen Kelly knelt on the front lawn and buried her head in her hands.

The officers phoned the bank to make sure no one had used Liana's credit cards. They searched the home for a note. White told them all of her clothes were there; none of their luggage was missing.

White later told Const. Eric Wilde he last saw his wife about 6:15 a.m.. Liana was dressed in green scrubs and on her way to her job as a unit clerk in the neonatal unit at Royal Alexandra Hospital. She asked White to call her later about day care and arrangements for supper.

She was a little tired but upbeat and acting normal, White said.

He told Wilde he took their three-year-old daughter, Ashley, to day care about 7:15 a.m. then went to work at Yellowhead Truck Repair.

White was crying and upset as he sat at his kitchen table, filing out a missing person's form, said Wilde.

"He broke down many times throughout the questionnaire."

In the form, White described Liana as a "fighter."

"She would not stop her vehicle or get out to help a person or pick anyone up," White wrote. "Her vehicle is like Fort Knox... We go for ice cream and it's locked.

"She is healthy, happy, no mental health issues."

Wilde said White asked several questions about the search for his wife, including whether officers would use a grid or spiral technique. White explained he used to be in the military and had special search training.

White also said he felt useless sitting around but promised to stay out of the way of police. Wilde said White was a good host and offered to make him sandwiches and coffee for supper.

The trial continues Tuesday.

otto
11-11-2006, 02:52 PM
Thank you so much for the updates. It's like reading a mystery novel where each day another few pages are added.

Jess
11-14-2006, 09:16 PM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/11/14/2352394.html

Tue, November 14, 2006
Cops observed White picking up garbage bags
Testimony continues at murder trial

By TONY BLAIS, Court Bureau



Two days after his pregnant wife went missing, accused wife-killer Michael White was observed by police surveillance officers picking up two garbage bags from a field.

White was then followed as he went to his 227 Warwick Cres. home with the two bags in the box of his pickup truck and was also seen putting the bags out for pickup.

The next morning, a city police officer rode along with the garbage truck and seized the two bags, testified Const. George Crawford Tuesday at White’s murder trial.

Crawford said he had followed White as he drove towards a grassy field in the area near 127 Street and north of 167 Avenue about 10 p.m. on July 14, 2005.

As White walked into the field, Crawford said he saw him “bending down at the waist and picking up two garbage bags.” The officer described the bags as being black and not appearing to be too full or heavy.

The jury was earlier told the two bags contained a broken lamp matching one found in the Whites’ bedroom, blood-stained latex gloves, still-wet bloody paper towels and blood-stained clothing.

Last week, a DNA expert testified he found DNA belonging to both Michael and Liana White on two latex gloves and a sock cops found in the seized garbage bags.

Jess
11-14-2006, 09:54 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/story.html?id=d11c83fd-caf1-476f-9d68-44e0e5853525&k=0


loody evidence (2 p.m.)
Police watched White grab two bags containing evidence of his wife’s slaying
Chris Purdy, edmontonjournal.com
Published: Tuesday, November 14, 2006

A police officer watched Michael White wade through knee-high weeds in a field north of the city, grab two large garbage bags containing bloody evidence, then load them into the back of his pickup truck.

Const. George Crawford testified today he and other officers were assigned to conduct surveillance on White starting on the afternoon of July 14, 2005, two days after White reported his pregnant wife missing.

On July 17, a volunteer search team found Liana White's body lying in a ditch. She was four months pregnant with the couple's second child.
Bloody clothes and other evidence seized by police from a garbage bag.
Bloody clothes and other evidence seized by police from a garbage bag.
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White, 29, is on trial charged with her second-degree murder and offering an indignity to her dead body.

Crawford told the jury he saw White grab the garbage bags from the field along 167th Avenue west of 127th Street, an area used by the Edmonton Radio Control Society for flying small remote-control planes, about 10 p.m. on July 14.

Other officers then watched White drive to his home in Castle Downs and place the bags outside near his driveway.

The next morning, Const. Michael Wynnyk stopped a garbage truck a few blocks from the White home on Warwick Crescent.

"I told (the driver) I was interested in a couple bags in the neighbourhood," said Wynnyk.

He said the driver picked up the garbage from the White house and kept it separate from the other garbage in the back of the truck.

Wynnyk, holding onto a rear handrail, then rode on the back of the garbage truck to keep an eye on the bags before they were seized by forensics officers.

Other witnesses in the trial have testified the bags contained clothes stained with Liana's blood, cleaning supplies and latex gloves. White's DNA was found inside the fingertips of two of the gloves also stained with his wife's blood.

Jess
11-16-2006, 06:49 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/16/2377967-sun.html

SUV caught on video
Vehicle strikingly similar to that of slain wife

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




Jurors at the Michael White murder trial yesterday watched very interesting footage taken from a security video shot outside a popular Castledowns pub.

The images, recorded at 5 a.m. on July 12, 2005 - shortly before White's pregnant wife Liana was reported missing and her Ford Explorer was found abandoned nearby - show a strikingly similar SUV going by. Eleven-and-a-half minutes later a man resembling Michael White jogs the other way.

City police Sgt. Brian Anderson showed the jury a Powerpoint presentation incorporating the security videotapes seized from Richard's Pub at 12150 161 Ave.

The footage showed a Ford Explorer being driven southeast along 161 Avenue at 123A Street at 4:59 a.m. and then 11 minutes and 34 seconds later, a heavy-set man can be seen jogging in the opposite direction along the sidewalk of 161 Avenue.

The person appears to be either bald or have a shaved head and is wearing a white or light-coloured T-shirt.

Anderson showed a number of comparisons which revealed there were several similarities between the SUV seen driving by and the one driven by Liana White which was found abandoned in a parking lot by a northside baseball field near the Castledowns YMCA about 5:45 a.m.

An image of the SUV being driven by also clearly shows the driver is wearing a white or light-coloured shirt.

The jury was earlier told that Michael White told police he last saw his wife about 6:15 a.m. as he lay in bed at their 227 Warwick Cres. home while she left for work.

Liana White's decomposed body was found July 17 in a ditch near St. Albert by a small search party including Michael White, his parents and his brother.

The jury learned yesterday police had put White under surveillance on July 14. The operation continued right up to when he was arrested after the body was found.

On Tuesday, court heard White was seen by police picking up two garbage bags from a field near 127 Street and 167 Avenue about 10 p.m. on July 14, bringing them home and later putting them out for garbage pickup.

The jury earlier heard the two black bags, seized by police, contained a broken lamp matching one found in the Whites' bedroom, blood-stained latex gloves, still-wet bloody paper towels and bloodstained clothing.

As well, a DNA expert has testified he found DNA belonging to both Michael and Liana White on two latex gloves and a sock cops found in the seized garbage bags.

The jury was also told the distance from the White home to the body recovery site is 6.3 km and takes about six minutes to drive. The distance from the body recovery site to the field where the garbage bags were picked up is 3.9 km and takes about four minutes, and the distance from where the bags were to where the SUV was abandoned is three kilometres and takes five minutes to drive.
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otto
11-16-2006, 09:02 PM
So Michael White committed the crime probably around midnight, spent between then and 5 am cleaning up and the final task was to dispose of the SUV and run home. It all seems so well planned ... except for the security camera at the pub. He should have known that there was a camera on a pub. I'm wondering if Michael had a little cocaine habit. He was certainly going on zero sleep the day her vehicle was found in the parking lot. No wonder he looked so drawn on camera at the beginning ... he hadn't slept in two days. What a great way to look worried about a missing wife!

Thanks for the updates. I still can't believe this guy is trying to get away with it. He should have just gone with 2nd degree, taken his 10 years and been done with it. He's absolutely not fooling anyone.

I suppose there is so much evidence that the crown prosecutor's office doesn't need to make a deal, but a guilty plea would have been looked on favourably by the Judge.

Jess, you may also be interested in this thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44676&page=1
It is shaping up to be yet another case of pregnant woman murdered. There is also a 2 year old daughter, which confuses the issue of murdering the pregnant wife to avoid responsibility for children.

Jess
11-17-2006, 10:45 AM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=038b0500-7ce8-444a-ba94-08594020383c

ood-stained T-shirt resembles one White wore in photos, trial hears
Duncan Thorne, The Edmonton Journal
Published: Friday, November 17, 2006

EDMONTON - Blood covered part of a regimental T-shirt and other clothing found in a garbage bag outside Michael White's house after his wife's disappearance, according to testimony heard Thursday at his murder trial.

Inside the Castle Downs home there were photos showing White wearing a similar T-shirt with the same "Strathcona's" logo, a crime-scene and blood-pattern expert testified.

The extra-large T-shirt, Const. Fons Chafe told the jury, "appears identical in colouration and the logo, certainly very similar if not identical."
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He introduced a series of blood-stained exhibits, including clothes and cleaning materials that in some cases were found to have the DNA of both White and his wife, Liana.

He said when Liana's naked body was found July 17, 2005, hidden in a ditch, a bra was at her feet, a pair of underwear at her head. Five days earlier, White had reported his wife missing. Her Ford Explorer SUV was found July 12 in a parking lot a short drive from the couple's home.

Chafe said he discovered a piece of tree bark partly embedded in the back of the driver's seat.

Inside the garbage bag were bloodstained pants with a 60-centimetre-long blade of grass in one pocket. Deeper in the pocket there was a 20-centimetre piece of cardboard bearing the "Xtreme Edge" logo, which Chafe said was consistent with packaging for a knife.

The jury has already heard that police were watching White and had seen him take two garbage bags from a field and place them outside his house for garbage pickup. An officer riding in a garbage truck later seized the bags.

Chafe said one of the bags held the T-shirt, the pants, a pair of socks, latex-style gloves and a sandal, all stained with blood. There were also two blood-stained sponges, paper towels and a ventilator mask.

The socks showed a pattern of blood that would appear if an object had been struck or violently shaken, he said.

The front of the pants "contained quite a lot of blood," he said. It extended the full length of the legs, up to the waist.

"It would suggest there was a substantial volume of blood present," Chafe said.

The stain pattern "could be as a result of coming into contact with a wet, bloody object being picked up or carried."

A search of the master bedroom revealed three pairs of unstained pants with the same "Pathfinder by Kodiak" label and the same size as the ones in the garbage bag, he testified. There was also a pair of socks similar to the bloodstained pair.

He confirmed earlier evidence that the clothing and gloves in the bag had Liana's blood and White's DNA on them.

Chafe said his first involvement in the case was on the day of Liana's disappearance, when police were examining her abandoned SUV at a parking lot next to Castle Downs Park. He said he found no signs of a struggle there but discovered several items, such as Liana's cellphone and assorted Blue Cross and shopping cards.

One, a Hudson's Bay card, was in a garbage can, he said.

"To me, it suggested that things seemed to be carefully placed at the scene," he said. The objects followed a curving route that led northwest from the SUV, in the same general direction as Richard's Pub.
Published: Friday, November 17, 2006

The jury heard Wednesday that a security video showed an SUV similar to Liana White's heading southeast less than an hour before hers was found. The video also shows a bald man jogging by in the opposite direction about 11 minutes later. At the time, White had a shaved head.



I have been following that case, as well as Janet Abaroa's . Seems Michael White is just a whole lot stujpider than the other two murderers.

Jess
11-17-2006, 10:48 AM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2006/11/17/2391321-sun.html





Various clothing items seized from accused wife-killer Michael White's home matched bloody clothes seized from a garbage bag police saw White carry from a field.

That's what jurors at White's murder case heard yesterday as they watched 48 various exhibits being entered in the trial by a city police crime scene examination expert.

Const. Fons Chafe testified he seized three pairs of pants, a T-shirt and a pair of socks from dresser drawers in the master bedroom of the White's 227 Warwick Cres. home.

Chafe then told the jury the pants were the same brand and size as a pair of bloody pants found in a garbage bag White was observed carrying from a field while under police surveillance two days after his wife disappeared.

Chafe said the pair of socks seized in the home were similar in colour, size and weave pattern to the pair of "heavily" bloodstained socks found in the seized garbage bag.

As well, the T-shirt seized from the home and T-shirts worn by White in three photos seized from the home were similar to a bloody T-shirt found in the seized garbage bag.

Chafe said all of the T-shirts involved had crown and shield symbols on them and a logo saying Strathcona's with a large B. The jury had earlier heard White was a soldier.

The crime scene examination expert also testified he seized paper towel rolls and sponges from the home which were similar to bloody ones found in the garbage bag and a lamp from the home which was identical to a broken one found in the seized garbage bag.

The jury earlier heard that a sock and two blood-stained latex gloves found in the seized garbage bag had DNA belonging to both Michael and Liana White on them.

White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and offering an indignity to human remains.

Liana White, a 29-year-old pregnant mom, went missing on July 12, 2005, and her body was found five days later.
He wears his old t-shirts from the military ???? what an idiot !

lauriej
11-20-2006, 02:35 AM
http://www.630ched.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428327912&rem=52146&red=80132723aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm

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Constable James Bell was with the Morinville detachment last year on July 17th.

He was first to arrive after a 911 call was made to say a body was found.

He was nearby as Michael White, and some family members and friends were milling about.

He was a few feet away when he heard Michael White appear to be in denial, saying "thats not my wife."

Bell telling the jury White appeared to be crying and distraught. The Mountie also testified that he heard White instruct family members to write down the licence plate of any vehicle that would drive by because the person comes back to the scene. "

..( ummmmmmmmmmmm..no kiddung-------just as michael white "led" his own little search party ( outside of the search area) right to her body).

..(i can't find the aritcle at the moment----------but giuess who he let "find" liana's body? ............yep, her own mother..........she saw her leg poking out, with the blue dolphin tattoo.........WHAT.A.JERK.)

lauriej
11-20-2006, 02:51 AM
my mistake............he let his own mother discover liana's body:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/15/2364637-sun.html



RCMP Const. James Bell said the Morinville detachment got a 4:41 p.m. call on July 17, 2005 saying a body had been found, and he responded to the St. Albert-area site.

Bell told jurors the searchers who had found Liana's body included Michael White, his parents, his brother and sister-in-law and a family friend.

Bell said he heard Michael White say he wanted to take photographs of the licence plates of all cars that went by.

"Because the person who is responsible always comes back to the scene and he wanted to do an investigation," said Bell, quoting what he heard White say.

Another witness, Barb Ashton, testified White's mom made the grisly discovery and said "it looked like a wig and dirt." She said Michael White "dropped to his knees and cried."

SewingDeb
11-21-2006, 10:54 AM
Any news today on the trial?

Jess
11-21-2006, 06:54 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=2bd36312-914a-479f-b138-0c4e1c06b2eb&k=0


Evidence of a stabbing in White’s bedroom (2:22 p.m.)
Duncan Thorne, edmontonjournal.com
Published: Tuesday, November 21, 2006
Blood stains in the bedroom of Liana and Michael White were consistent with a stabbing, his trial for the murder of his pregnant wife heard Tuesday.

The trace amounts of blood also suggest it happened beside the bed, on or close to the floor, Const. Fons Chafe testified.

Some specks of blood were projected upwards, landing on the bed's quilt and a pillow, the blood-pattern and crime scene expert told the jury.





Chafe said other stains led from the bedroom, through the upstairs hallway and down to the front entrance of the couple's Castle Downs home. He said there was blood on the garage floor and in the back of Liana White's SUV.

Laboratory testing revealed that samples of the blood contained Liana's DNA, he said.

But most of the blood was invisible. He said he relied on luminol, a chemical highly sensitive to the presence of red blood cells, to detect it. Even then, he said it's not possible to say how much blood there was, as there were signs it had been cleaned up.

White reported his wife missing on July 12, 2005. Her body was found in a ditch north of the city five days later.

Jess
11-22-2006, 09:16 PM
From the local Globaltv newscast

The jury viewed part of the first taped interview with Michael White on the day Lianna was reported missing.
White said it was a happy marriage although they were struggling financially.
referred to Lianna as "the wife"
asked if police would be searching the dump.

The police detective who was wuith Michael White, ordered 24 hr surveillance after he saw the surveillance tape from the bar ( where it appears Michael White was driving the SUV and then running in the opposite direction later )

The prosecution will be showing the rest of the taped interview tomorrow and will wrap up their case with Lianna's mother on Friday.

Jess
11-23-2006, 08:49 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/23/2460074-sun.html

Thu, November 23, 2006
'No other suspect'
Cops unaware of restraining order against slain woman's ex

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




The lead homicide investigator in the killing of Liana White told a jury he wasn't aware a former boyfriend of the pregnant mom had a restraining order against him.

Det. Mike Campeau, one of three city police homicide detectives to testify yesterday at the murder trial of Michael White, said he remembers being told about the Kelowna man, identified only as Steve, but told defence lawyer Robert Shaigec he didn't know about a restraining order.

However, after further questioning by Crown prosecutor Troy Couillard, Campeau testified Steve was looked into, as well as every other lead, and said police felt "there was no other viable suspect" other than Michael White.

Det. Brian Robertson told the jury he learned about Steve while talking with Liana's mother, Maureen Kelly, and said he filed a report which would have gone to Campeau.

Robertson said Kelly told him Liana, 29, had had an abusive relationship with Steve in Kelowna prior to her relationship with White and she had filed a restraining order against him.

Robertson said he had several conversations with Michael White in the days after Liana went missing on July 12, 2005, and her Ford Explorer was found abandoned.

After the initial talk, he said White wanted to know how long police would search for her body and how long their investigation would go on for.

Robertson said White was put under surveillance after he was looking at a security tape from Richard's Pub which showed a Ford Explorer going by and 12 minutes later, he saw a person of a similar large size to White jogging by.

Robertson said he took White to police headquarters after Liana's body was discovered July 17 by a search party made up of White, his parents and his brother and said he was arrested for murder later that night.

Det. Ernie Schreiber interviewed White several times and yesterday the jury watched the beginning of one of those videotaped interviews conducted on July 12.

In it, White says he and Liana had been married for between six and seven years after meeting in a bar while he was a soldier. He called her a "good-hearted person" and described their relationship as "normal" and "good.

At one point, the soft-spoken White seems close to tears and says: "I just want her found, that's it. I wanna know where she is. Where is she? I wanna know."

The heavy-duty mechanic also said being called at work and told his wife is missing and her SUV had been found abandoned was "the worst feeling ever."

White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and offering an indignity to human remains.

The jury has been told White will take the stand in his own defence and proclaim his innocence.
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SewingDeb
11-23-2006, 11:41 AM
Thank you for bringing us up to date, Jess.

Jess
11-23-2006, 08:01 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=e5a24d78-b8fe-4a7f-827b-9f22d58973e7

Wife nagged about his work hours
White: Liana careful, protective, friend tells court
Chris Purdy, The Edmonton Journal
Published: Thursday, November 23, 2006

EDMONTON - Michael White told police his missing wife, Liana, often nagged him about working late. They also struggled with finances for their growing family.

But, overall, they had a good marriage, he said.

"She'll get all mad when I'll be working to eight, nine, 10 at night," White told homicide Det. Ernie Schreiber during a videotaped interview on July 12, 2005, the day Liana was reported missing.


"The wife, she never accepted it. But, you know, she lived with it."

White said he and Liana had "a normal relationship ... a good relationship."

"I just want her found. That's it," he told Schreiber. "I want to know where she is. I want to know, for a person who never unlocks a frigging door, where is she?"

Part of the interview was played Wednesday for the jury in White's murder trial. White, 29, has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder of his wife as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

A volunteer search team that included White, found Liana's naked body in a ditch north of the city on July 17. She had been stabbed in the back and died from a wound to her neck.

White, a former member of the military, worked as a mechanic at a truck repair shop. Liana was a clerk in the neonatal unit of the Royal Alexandra Hospital. She also sold Avon products.

They had a three-year-old daughter, Ashley, and another child on the way.

"She was -- she is -- pregnant, four months," White told Schreiber.

White said Liana was having more problems and pains with her second pregnancy and he promised to cut out of work earlier when he could.

He said they struggled with money, perhaps pushing too hard to buy things they wanted.

They had plans to move to Ontario and take over his father's farm.

"I want to work hard, get a good paycheque, buy things," White said. "She wants it, the money, the bigger paycheques."

He said he was still in the military when they met in a bar and "hit it off." They had been married five years. Liana was nearing her 30th birthday.

"She makes people around her better," said White. "She's just a good-hearted person, bends backwards for anybody, strangers, anybody."

White later told Det. Brian Robertson he had a few beers with a co-worker before getting home about 8 p.m. on July 11.

He was lying in bed, half asleep, the next morning when Liana left for work. He got up about an hour later, took their daughter to day care, then headed to the repair shop.

Police called White at work at 8:30 a.m. and told him Liana's Ford Explorer had been found abandoned in the parking lot of a recreation area near their Castle Downs home. The door was open and her purse and shoes were on the ground.

White said he thought another mechanic was pulling a prank on him. When he realized it wasn't a joke, he rushed home.

During an interview at the kitchen table, White asked Robertson if someone could have been hiding in the back of Liana's SUV when she left for work.

"How else could someone get her?" White asked. "You know, I always forget to lock the (garage) door."

Nathalie Durie, Liana's close friend and co-worker, testified Liana was always careful and protective. She locked doors and made sure the garage was closed.


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Jess
11-24-2006, 08:49 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/24/2474248-sun.html





Accused wife killer Michael White appeared shocked when a homicide detective asked him if he was "involved in" his wife's disappearance, a jury saw yesterday.

Partway through a videotaped interview at city police headquarters on July 12, 2005 - the day Liana White went missing and her Ford Explorer was found abandoned - Det. Ernie Schreiber casually popped the question.

"Are you involved in Liana's disappearance?" he asked.

"No. No. How could you ask me that?" replied White.

"Uh no. I love my wife. There's no way I could ever hurt her or anyone else. No," continued the upset White.

The heavy-duty mechanic and former soldier then told Schreiber he had a question of his own to pose.

"Am I now a suspect?" he asked.

Schreiber replied he was just like a sponge and wanted to get as much information as possible.

"There's no way," continued White. "I don't think like that. I love my family. I'd die for 'em and, if I could, I'd put myself in her damn shoes. I would in a heartbeat. I loved her. I still do."

White then tried to pump Schreiber for information on the case, asking if police had any leads or if there was anything found that "sticks out," and asked the detective to tell him anything, regardless of how small it was.

White then said "if I'm the prime suspect, just tell me. I need to know," and apologized for getting upset, saying he understood that, as the husband, he would be a suspect.

"You know, when someone asks if you are responsible, it's like an absolute kick to the chest ... like I'm already hurting," said White.

Minutes later White began crying as he talked about what he was going to tell their three-year-old daughter Ashley.

"What the hell do I tell her?" he asked. "I'm not strong that way. How do I do that? I can't do this myself. I can't be frigging strong for the mother of my kid."

White then said he just wants to do something to help and asked if there had been any bootprints or drag marks.

"Is she hurt? Is she not hurt ... I just want to know ... it's killing me. I don't know what to do. I'm scared to death on this now. I can't live without her," said White.

He then again asked if he could help out in the case.

"Give me a frigging stick and a frigging magnifier," he said. "I just want to help."

The interview ended with White giving police permission to search their house and Liana's SUV.

"Just find her please," he begged.

Schreiber testified White was not a suspect during the July 12 interview, but he became one after police viewed a security tape from Richard's Pub which showed a Ford Explorer going by the area and 12 minutes later, a person of a similar large size to White is seen jogging by.

During the July 12 interview, Schreiber also asked White what he thinks happened to Liana and White replied: "I don't know. It just blows my mind. I just don't know."

Jess
11-24-2006, 09:03 AM
The Crown wraps up their part of the trial today. Lianna's mother will be the last prosecution witness called.

I'm interested in hearing how the defense is going to overcome all this evidence. Word is Michael White is still going to take the stand.He'll probably say no he didn't do it and then start blubbering.JMO, of course

Jess
11-24-2006, 07:40 PM
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/story.html?id=dddde305-351e-49fe-ac08-902b1934b2d6&k=0

‘That’s not me’
White denies being driver videotaped in dead wife’s Explorer
Chris Purdy, edmontonjournal.com
Published: Friday, November 24, 2006

After he was arrested for his pregnant wife’s murder, Michael White munched on a sandwich in a police interview room and dismissed the pile of evidence against him.

During the police interview on July 18, 2005, the day after Liana White’s body was found in a ditch north of the city, homicide Det. Ernie Schreiber showed White a security video from a north end pub.

The video was recorded on July 12, the morning Liana’s Ford Explorer was found abandoned next to a nearby baseball diamond. It shows a similar SUV heading towards the recreation area and, minutes later, a bald man resembling White jogging by in the opposite direction, towards the couple’s Castle Downs home.
A surveillance videotape from Michael White's murder trial shows an SUV similar to his dead wife's being driven past a local business.View Larger Image View Larger Image
A surveillance videotape from Michael White's murder trial shows an SUV similar to his dead wife's being driven past a local business.


“That’s you Mike,” Schreiber told White.

“That’s not me,” White said. “That’s my Explorer but that’s not me. There’s no possible way.”

The interview was played on courtroom TV screens today for the jury in White’s murder trial. The 29-year-old mechanic has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder of his wife, as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

Schreiber told White he had been under police surveillance for several days, and on July 14 officers watched White drive to a field north of the city and grab two garbage bags.

He then drove to a house, picked up his three-year-old daughter and took the bags home for garbage pickup the next morning.

“Ya, so? It’s garbage,” White said.

Schreiber told him the bags contained a broken lamp, bloody paper towels and bloody clothing, including one of White’s T-shirts.

White sat silent with his armed crossed.

“There’s all kinds of reasons why things happen...” Schreiber said.

“Please don’t do that,” said White. “I did not — I did not kill my wife.”

Bobbisangel
11-24-2006, 08:45 PM
Glad that I checked here today. I didn't know that the trial was already started. White won't get away with this. He's a fool if he thinks the jury is going to buy those big ole tears. I wonder why he wasn't charged with lst degree murder? I doubt that we will ever know why he murdered Lianna. He said they had problems over finances and then turns around and said that she got upset if he worked late. Seems to me she would have been glad that he was getting extra time in. Maybe it wasn't her that wanted to buy things that they didn't really need but him and that created problems.

Does anyone know who is raising Ashley? I hope that Lianna's mom has her.

Thank you to you people who are keeping us updated on the trial. It seems like it has taken a long time to get to court. I'm curious to see what the defense comes up with too.

Jess
11-24-2006, 10:43 PM
Lianna's mother has her granddaughter.Both of them have attended a fundraising event put on by Lianna's friends. ( Although NO pictures of her appeared in the media . In fact many attending were not aware of that the little girl playing on the playground equipment was Ashley.)
Lianna's mother was supposed to be on the stand today, but now the local news channels are saying Monday.The local news has shown the videos of the interrogations. I think he must be VERY stupid to think he will get away with it, the evidence is overwhelming.
( and really, it hasn't been that long for the case to be brought to court. 15 months is all)

SewingDeb
11-25-2006, 12:30 AM
"Ya so? It's just garbage."

I can't believe that's how he answered when confronted with the police knowing he retrieved the evidence and brought it home to throw away. Who did he think he was fooling? He should have known the gig was up then.

Jess
11-25-2006, 12:08 PM
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Canada/2006/11/25/2488534-sun.html

Sat, November 25, 2006
Sticking to his guns
Michael White continues to deny guilt after cops charge him with murder, lay out evidence

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU




Accused wife killer Michael White continued to maintain his innocence after being charged with his wife's slaying, despite police revealing potentially damning evidence.

That's what the jury at White's second-degree murder trial heard yesterday while watching a videotaped police interview of White after his July 17, 2005, arrest.

The interview at police headquarters begins with homicide Det. Ernie Schreiber asking White how he is doing.

"You charged me for the frigging murder of my goddamn wife, how can, ugh, it's been the worst day anybody could even ever have," said White.

Schreiber then explains police evidence of a struggle at the family home and a security video disputing his version of events and showing a man resembling him- self jogging away from where Liana White's SUV was discovered.

Schreiber: "That's you, Mike. Wanna see it again?"

White: "Yeah. And that was me, you're saying. Can you enhance it?"

Schreiber then asks White if he was jogging that morning.

White: "I wasn't out running that morning."

Schreiber: "That's you, Mike."

White: "That's not me."

Schreiber: "Your Explorer."

White: "That's my Explorer, that's not me running. There's just no possible way, though."

Schreiber then tells White he has been under surveillance and police saw him in a grassy field at night picking up two garbage bags that he took home and put out for pickup that are full of bloody clothes and other evidence.

White admits picking up the garbage and bringing it home, but explains he was just out looking at areas to search the next day and thought he would clean it up.

White denied knowing what was in the bags and Schreiber details what was found, including a broken lamp, bloody clothing, bloody paper towels and sponges and latex gloves that have both his and Liana's DNA on them.

White admits the lamp came from their home and a shirt found is also his, but denies he had picked up the bags knowing the police were going to be searching the area.

The heavy-duty mechanic and former soldier also denied seeing a lampshade matching the broken lamp on a post near where he was seen picking up the garbage bags.

"So how does your lamp and all of that stuff get into the two garbage bags that you, by chance, happen to find," asks Schreiber. "How does that happen?"

"I have no clue," replies White. "I don't know."

Schreiber then talks about the forensic evidence showing signs of a bloody struggle in the White's bedroom.

"I'm not talking about little drips ... and drabs," said Schreiber. "I'm talking about substantial blood."

The detective then suggests Liana was injured at home.

"No, not by me," said White. "Definitely not. Not by me."

At one point, White asks Schreiber if the charges stem from the fact "I found her and you guys couldn't."

The interview ends with White saying he is exhausted and Schreiber telling him he is sure he is guilty of the killing. "Absolutely, Mike, I am saying it's you," said Schreiber.

"No, you're asking me to admit to something I did not do," replies White, accusing Schreiber of badgering him.


http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=647e3d78-83b1-4f76-8f05-7acac7fd1b6a

'That's not me' with wife's SUV
Defendant denies evidence from security video
Chris Purdy, The Edmonton Journal
Published: Saturday, November 25, 2006

EDMONTON - After Michael White was arrested for his pregnant wife's murder, he munched on a ham-and-cheese sandwich in a police interview room and dismissed the pile of evidence against him.

During the interview on July 18, 2005, the day after Liana White's body was found in a ditch north of the city, homicide Det. Ernie Schreiber showed White a security video from a north-side pub.

The video was recorded on July 12, the morning Liana's Ford Explorer was found abandoned next to a nearby baseball diamond. It shows a similar SUV heading towards the recreation area and, minutes later, a bald man resembling White jogging by in the opposite direction, towards the couple's Castle Downs home.


"That's you, Mike. Want to see it again?" said Schreiber.

"That's not me," White said. "That's my Explorer. That's not me running. There's just no possible way."

The interview was played on courtroom TV screens Friday for the jury in White's murder trial.

The 29-year-old mechanic has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder of his wife, as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

Schreiber told White he had been under police surveillance for several days. And on July 14, officers watched him drive to a field north of the city, grab two garbage bags and take them home for garbage pickup the next morning.

"Yeah, so? It's garbage," White said.

He explained he had been scouting the area to identify places to send his volunteer search group the next day. He saw the bags and took them home.

"Mike, you had to move that garbage," said Schreiber. "Because I told you the night before we were going to be searching in that area. We would find all this stuff from your house, evidence against you."

Schreiber told him the bags contained bloody paper towels, bloody sponges matching other sponges in the couple's house and a broken lamp matching one in their spare bedroom. A matching lampshade had also been placed on a fencepost near the field.

White said his three-year-old daughter, Ashley, broke the lamp and the pieces went into their garbage can.

Schreiber listed other evidence. He said White's timeline of when he saw Liana leave for work the morning she disappeared and the phone calls he made to find her didn't match with other witnesses.

He said the driver's seat of Liana's abandoned SUV was pushed too far back for her height.

And her purse and bank cards were scattered on the ground, but her shoes were sitting neatly, side-by-side, next to a tire.

Police also found blood in the couple's home using a chemical called luminol.

"No matter how hard you clean, or how hard you work at cleaning, you can't get all the blood out," Schreiber said.

White said it was likely his blood. He stubbed a toe, cut himself with a knife, hit himself on corner near the kitchen, and his daughter once whacked him in the nose with a stick.

"I'm not talking about little drips," said Schreiber. "I'm talking about substantial blood."

White often sat silent, with his arms crossed over his chest. But near the end of the interview he yelled at Schreiber: "Is this because I found her and you guys couldn't? Is it because I went searching?"

Bobbisangel
11-25-2006, 07:56 PM
"Ya so? It's just garbage."

I can't believe that's how he answered when confronted with the police knowing he retrieved the evidence and brought it home to throw away. Who did he think he was fooling? He should have known the gig was up then.



He seems to be a little slow on the uptake Deb. Maybe it was just garbage to him but the police call it evidence....the nitwit! I can just picture him sitting in court in his suit like baby Huey with big ole tears rolling down his face...thinking that he is fooling the jury while all the while he is crying because he got caught....not because he feels any remorse for what he did to his wife and daughter.

Jess
11-25-2006, 09:35 PM
In the video of the second interrogation, Michael White CALMLY eats a sandwich supplied by LE !!! Hello !!! His demeanor is quite something to observe.

However he did manage to convince a pastor of a small church that he is innocent. The pastor said for that the public should wait until all the facts come out. The FACTS have come out and I haven't heard or read of the pastor since the trial started. Hmmmmmm

I'm anxious to hear what Maureen Kelly says about her daughter and son-in-law. Hopefully that will be on Monday.

Trino
11-26-2006, 09:28 AM
What a jerk! I think he would deny it if he killed her in front of LE, a judge, and a jury! Put this guy away forever.

Jess
11-27-2006, 08:04 PM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/27/2516916.html

Mon, November 27, 2006
Mother-in-law: White 'felt dirty'
The day his wife vanished

By CP



EDMONTON — The mother-in-law of an Edmonton man accused of killing his pregnant wife says he complained several times of feeling dirty in the hours immediately after his wife’s disappearance.

Maureen Kelly is testifying at the second-degree murder trial of Michael White, a 29-year-old mechanic originally from Mar, Ont.

White’s 29-year-old wife, Liana, originally from Kelowna, B.C., vanished on July 12, 2005, and was found five days later, stabbed to death in a ditch north of Edmonton.

Kelly says that on the day Liana disappeared, her son-in-law told her several times that he felt dirty and needed to shower, and he eventually did that.

When she inadvertently walked in on him in the bathroom, she saw him shaving his head clean as well.

Kelly says that after he was arrested, White told her by phone that he was innocent and that his lawyer had advised that the police case against him was a combination of lies and circumstantial evidence.


http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=cca756cb-e552-4761-b7db-417ecbd890d7&k=0

White’s claim he didn’t sleep disputed (1:22 p.m.)
Mother-in-law says White fell asleep in front of TV within minutes
Chris Purdy, edmontonjournal.com
Published: Monday, November 27, 2006

After a long day of talking with police about his missing wife, Michael White sat on his couch, turned on the TV and fell asleep within minutes.

It was July 12, 2005 — the day Liana White was reported missing. She didn’t show up for her morning shift as a hospital clerk and her Ford Explorer was found abandoned near a baseball diamond.

Liana’s mother, Maureen Kelly, testified at White’s murder trial today that he fell asleep shortly after 11 p.m. that day. She heard him snoring.
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She said she knew White slept through the night “’cause I was up all night.”

The next morning, Kelly heard her son-in-law tell police on the phone: “Oh, I didn’t sleep at all last night.”

White was part of the volunteer search team that found Liana’s naked body, covered with branches, in a ditch north of the city on July 17. He was arrested the next day.

The 29-year-old mechanic has pleaded not guilty to the second-degree murder of his wife, as well as offering an indignity to her dead body.

SewingDeb
11-28-2006, 01:57 AM
He seems to be a little slow on the uptake Deb. Maybe it was just garbage to him but the police call it evidence....the nitwit! I can just picture him sitting in court in his suit like baby Huey with big ole tears rolling down his face...thinking that he is fooling the jury while all the while he is crying because he got caught....not because he feels any remorse for what he did to his wife and daughter.

Yeah, he does seem slow on the uptake.

I think the tears are his last hope. He wants the jury to feel sorry for him. I hope they are smarter than that.

Jess
11-28-2006, 10:00 AM
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2006/11/28/2530722-sun.html





Accused wife killer Michael White displayed unusual behaviour several times after Liana White went missing, according to testimony by the victim's mother yesterday.

Maureen Kelly, who was the last Crown witness to testify before prosecutor Troy Couillard ended his case, told the jury she noticed a few odd things about how White was acting and regarding things she heard him say.

Kelly said she went over to Michael and Liana's Castledowns home on July 12, 2005, after Liana was reported missing and her SUV was found abandoned nearby.

"The house was pristine," said Kelly, adding while it was usually clean, it was typical to see cups on the counter, toys on the floor or movies by the TV. "It was just completely sterile. It was perfect. Not the way it usually was."

Later that day, White went to police headquarters and when he returned, he was curious about what police had been doing at the home and if they had brought in equipment or said anything about what they found, she said.

Kelly said White then said he needed to have a shower.

"I kind of wondered about that 'cause his hands were so clean," she said, adding she later went into the bathroom and found him in there shaving his head.

"He just looked at me," she said.

Kelly said White went back to police headquarters that evening and returned to the home about 11 p.m. She said he tidied up some papers and then went to the couch and watched TV for about 15 minutes before falling asleep.

When asked how she knew he was sleeping, Kelly replied that he was snoring and she stayed awake the whole night.

However, the next day when White's family called from Ontario, she overheard him say: "Oh, I didn't sleep at all."

After White was arrested and charged with his pregnant wife's slaying, he called Kelly several times, she said.

"He said, 'I never did what they said I did and it would get straightened out,' or something like that," said Kelly.

On subsequent days, White told her that "he was not guilty," that "he never did this crime," and that "he was innocent."

Kelly said when she confronted White about alleged evidence, including blood in the home and him being captured on a security video supposedly running away from where the SUV was abandoned, he said he had cut his toe with a whipper-snipper and it wasn't him on the video.

White also told her the evidence was circumstantial and "the police are lying," and "twist things around," she said.

Kelly also testified there had been no contact with a previously "verbally abusive" boyfriend of Liana's from Kelowna, B.C., since a restraining order was sought in 1993.

The defence case is slated to begin today and lawyers have told jurors White, 29, will testify on his own behalf.

The heavy-duty mechanic and former soldier is charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a body in the death of his 29-year-old wife, who was four months' pregnant when her body was found July 17, 2005.
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blished: Tuesday, November 28, 2006

EDMONTON - After a long first day of talking with police about his missing wife, Michael White sat on his couch, turned on the TV and fell asleep within minutes.

It was July 12, 2005, the day Liana White was reported missing when she failed to show up for her morning shift as a hospital clerk and her Ford Explorer was found abandoned near a baseball diamond. Liana's mother, Maureen Kelly, testified at White's murder trial Monday that she was upset when police left the house about 11 p.m. on that first day of the search. They had found no clues as to Liana's whereabouts.

Kelly said she tried to talk with her son-in-law about what could have happened to Liana. White said he "didn't know," and a short time later she heard him snoring on the couch downstairs.
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Kelly told the jury she knew her son-in-law slept through the night "because I was up all night."

The next morning, she heard White lie to police on the phone, saying, "Oh, I didn't sleep at all last night."

Kelly said she last saw Liana, her only child, the day before she went missing. Liana had popped by her mother's home after work with the couple's three-year-old daughter, Ashley.

Liana was pale with dark circles under her eyes and talked about how the summer heat was bothering her. She was four months pregnant with their second child.

Kelly said her daughter had never mentioned problems with her marriage.

The next day, when White called with news of the disappearance, Kelly rushed to the couple's Castle Downs home. She said she was surprised by how clean the house was. Liana always kept a neat house, she said, but usually there was a cup left on the kitchen counter or a child's toy lying on the couch.

"It was completely sterile," said Kelly. "It's not usually like that. Everything was perfect."

As police searched the home, she said she heard a loud bang and ran to the master bedroom, where White had become upset and ripped some blinds off a window. She then noticed a bedside table lamp was missing.

Kelly said when White later sat at a kitchen table filling out a missing person's form, she heard him tell police that Liana was a "fighter."

"I thought, that's not the Liana I know."

Kelly tried to help police with information and told them a man named Steve had harassed Liana with about 45 phone calls a day when they lived in Kelowna, B.C., in 1993. Liana, 18, got a restraining order and the calls stopped.

Kelly said White insisted on taking a shower the day Liana disappeared, even though he had been at his mechanic's job for only an hour when he got a call from police to come home.

"I kind of wondered about that," said Kelly. "His hands were so clean."

She said White shaved his head while he was in the bathroom.

On July 13, White made a public plea through the media for help to find his wife.

He organized a volunteer search team to comb the city's outskirts.

Kelly said she later heard White excitedly talking on the phone to his father about the many people, including strangers, who were volunteering.

She quoted White saying, "Don't you worry. Somebody's got my girl and I'm going to find her!"

Kelly said White routinely called her from jail to proclaim his innocence and to talk with his daughter, for whom she now cares.
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Kelly detailed the calls in a notebook.

"I never did what they said I did," White told her on July 19.

"There's lots of evidence against you, Mike," she said during a call on Aug. 10.

She told White police had a security video showing him near the area where Liana's SUV was found. And police had also discovered blood throughout their house.

White said he wasn't the man in the video and it was his blood in the house -- not Liana's.

"You know that's not me (on the video)," he told Kelly.

"I cut my toe with the whipper-snipper. Remember?"

She said White told her there wasn't enough evidence for the case to go to trial.

Jess
11-28-2006, 10:01 AM
The defense is supposed to start its case today.


Should be interesting !