911 Transcript

[Dani_T]

Hi all,

Tonight I just found an transcript of the 911 call which I had worked up over a year ago now. I had originally posted it on a now defunct board in response to another poster's work on it. I thought I had lost my version when that particular forum (affectionately known as Darlieland!) went belly-up- but apparently not!

So I thought I would post it here just for the sake of it- since I did do a lot of work on it at the time and I would be interested to hear some other people's opinions.

A couple of things to note:

The normal black text is the 911 transcript presented at trial.
The Red text is changes that another poster initially made after going over the call/transcript- I can't even remember who it was now!
The Blue text is comments which that poster made on the changes in red
The Green text is my changes/comments

A lot of the differences I heard are based on how many syllables I heard rather than the specific word itself (because frankly the interference in a lot of places and the fact that most of them are background voices means you don't hear a lot of very clear words anyway).

It is VERY helpful to loop sound bytes from the call. At the time I worked on the transcript I made lots of little sound bytes (which are referred to in my transcript)- none of which I appear to have now :( I'll keep looking though but just ignore the references in my transcript or splice and loop them yourselves :)

Mary, Goody, DP- you know what I suddenly remembered? El Jeffe was going take the 911 call to a sound specialist to get it cleaned up. Remember? It was only going to cost a couple of hundred dollars *LOL*. Is he still posting on a board anywhere? Someone should ask him if he did it.

Ok- transcript to follow over a few posts :)

[Dani_T]

0:00:00 911 Operator #1 ...Rowlett 911...what is your
emergency..
00:01:19 Darlie Routier ...somebody came in...they just broke
in...
00:03:27 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
00:05:11 Darlie Routier ...they just stabbed me and my
children...
00:07:16 911 Operator #1 ...what...
00:08:05 Darlie Routier ...they just stabbed me and my kids...my little boys...
00:09:24 911 Operator #1 ...who...who did...
00:11:12 Darlie Routier ...my little boy is dying...
00:11:25 RADIO ...(unintelligible) clear...
00:13:07 911 Operator #1 ...hang on ...hang on... hang on
00:15:03 Darlie Routier ...hurry... (unintelligible)...
00:16:01 911 Operator #1 ...stand by for medical emergency
00:18:11 Darlie Routier ...ma'am...
00:18:19 911 Operator #1 ...hang on ma'am...
00:21:26 Darlie Routier ...ma'am...
00:23:00 911 Operator #1 ...unknown medical emergency... 5801 Eagle Drive...
00:24:00 RADIO ...(unintelligible breathe)...:::this is obviously Darin, not a radio:::
I agree this is Darin and not a radio but I can't say I definitely hear 'breathe'. I do hear the first syllable 'bri' but that's about it

00:26:24 Darlie Routier ...ma'am...
00:27:12 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am... I'm trying to get an
ambulance to you... hang on a minute...
00:28:20 RADIO ...(siren)...
00:29:13 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...my babies are
dying...
00:30:12 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
00:31:09 911 Operator #1 ...what's going on ma'am...
00:32:13 Darlie Routier ...(they're kids)...oh my God...

I hear "they're dead.... oh my god"


00:33:49 RADIO ...(tone - signal broadcast)...
00:34:01 Background Voice DARIN...(unintelligible I want you to get up)...

Again, I hear Darin but I'm not convinced that is what he is saying. I think there is too many syllable in "I want you to get up" for what he says. I sat here for about 5 mins trying to hear what he says and was about to give up when I suddenly hear "he won't stop bleeding" (hewooontstopblidin) with a long sound on the won't and the 'bleeding' either left of with an 'in' or cut out by the tone.


00:35:20 Darlie Routier ...(oh...he's 7 years old and he's dead)...oh my God...
00:39:08 Darin Routier ...unintelligible(breathe)...

Again- can't hear breathe... sounds more like "push" or "bush" to me. But I don't think it is a big issue...

00:39:29 Darlie Routier ...I don't even know (who did it)...
00:40:22 911 Operator #1 ...attention 901 unknown medical
emergency 5801...
00:42:23 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
00:43:15 Darlie Routier ...I don't even know
(who did it Darin)...
00:44:04 911 Operator #1 ...Eagle Drive ...Box 238 ...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook ...attention 901 medial emergency...
00:49:28 Darlie Routier ...who would do this...
00:50:10 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible...just get something)...

"Just... just get somebody"


00:51:15 Darlie Routier ...(who would do this...who would do it)
00:51:19 911 Operator #1 ...may be possible stabbing ...5801
Eagle Drive ...Box 238 ...cross street Linda Vista and Willowbrook...
00:55:06 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...(who would do this)...
00:57:17 911 Operator #1 ...time out 2:32...
00:58:26 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
00:58:28 911 Operator #1 ...stamp me a card Clint...
XX:XX:XX SOUND ...stamping the card apparently...
01:01:02 911 Operator #1 ...80...
01:01:16 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:02:13 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
01:03:05 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:04:07 911 Operator #1 ...need units going towards 5801
Eagle Drive ...5801 Eagle Drive
01:04:07 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...my baby's deadI saw them Darin...

I don't hear "I saw them Darin" at all. It seems pretty clear to me "my babies/baby's dead"

01:07:08 Darlie Routier ...Damon ...hold on honey...
She is saying something different but can't for the life of me make out what it is!! Here's the file guys- try looping it. She's obviously addressing Darin or the boys because her voice is much more 'background' than when she is speaking into the phone.

01:08:11 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:08:22 911 Operator #1 ...hysterical female on the
phone...
01:10:03 Darlie Routier ...(hold on)...
01:10:10 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible oh my God)...
01:10:26 911 Operator #1 ...says her child has been stabbed

01:11:28 Darlie Routier ...I saw them Darin:::this is not what is being said here, I meant to change it and forgot...I will have to go listen again, so, I did have to edit this post to correct that!:::
01:12:21 Darin Routier ...oh my God ...(unintelligible)...can you get in here...

Ok... this is a really difficult part.... both Darlie at 1:11 and Darin at 1:12

I don't here "I saw them Darin" but I think I hear "I saw them..." and then what sounds like "do it" but if it is more like 'juit'. Any ideas? The "I" at the beginning is underneath the end of the operators "stabbed".

As for Darin - I hear "Oh my God blake kim in here" (which of course makes no sense- the blake part that is!!!). I definitely don't hear "can you get in here". The word "blake" might be a contraction of two other words (I originally thought 'how they'd come in here" but it still doesn't fit that blake sound). Did he have a nickname for Darlie that sounds like "blake"???? As in "Darlie c'm in here"?

Anyway, here is two files. One is the normal tempo and one is significantly slowed down.

01:14:10 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...I need you to calm down and talk to me...
01:14:24 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:16:25 Darlie Routier ...ok...
01:16:26 SOUND ...(unintelligible)...
01:17:12 911 Operator #1 ...twice Clint...
01:18:26 Darlie Routier ...didn't you get my address...
01:20:19 911 Operator #1 ...5801 Eagle...
01:22:00 Darlie Routier ...yes ...we need help... :::listen to the 'sounds' in the background, what y‘all reckon that sounds like?! I have an idea, but, I‘m not a “sound” expert either.:::

Hmmmm only sound I hear is a click - which I don't think it is terrible unusual on this call.... but I may be missing something- what do you hear????


01:22:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible..) will be enroute code...

"will be enroute too"
01:24:20 Darlie Routier ...Darin ...I don't know who it was...
01:24:23 911 Operator #1 ...2:33 code...
01:26:15 Darlie Routier ...we got to find out who it was...
01:27:12 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
XX:XX:XX Darin ...breathe...

Again, I can't make out what he is saying here beyond the first syllable which sounds like an exclaimation of breath going out.

01:28:04 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am listen ...listen to me...
01:29:27 Darlie Routier ...yes ...yes ...(unintelligible)...
01:30:23 RADIO ...(unintelligible) I'm clear ...do you need anything... [color=blue] :::they are saying Vranna, I saw that name somewhere, I cannot for the life of me remember where---who is he?:::

I hear "It's all clear - do you need aracet?"- which might be 'it's all clear do you need a rankin'" (as in ranking officer???). I hear the 'a ra..." very clearly

01:32:08 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:32:20 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
01:34:00 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible)...
01:34:22 911 Operator #1 ...do you take the radio Clint...
01:35:23 911 Operator #2 ...yes...
01:36:12 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
01:36:25 911 Operator #1 ...I...ma'am...
01:38:03 Darlie Routier ...yes...
01:38:17 911 Operator #1 ...I need you to ...
01:38:23 RADIO ... (all units) start that way
(all units) ... will revise...
01:39:28 911 Operator #1 ...I need you to talk to me...
01:41:21 Darlie Routier ...what ...what ...what...
01:44:25 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
01:44:28 Darlie Routier ...my babies are dead
(Damon, Damon, Damon)... :::listen to the 'sound' in the background, very disturbing to say the least:::

Hmmmm you know what I hear? At the very beginning of this clip- very soft- I hear a "mamma" right before Darlie says "My babies and dead"- and then suddenly says "Damon! Damon, Damon"

But you know what I also hear very clearly after she says "Damon" the final time - "I thought that you were gone already" - with the 'gone' being slightly drawn out. I think this is attributed as "do you want honey...hold on" at 01:48:03 but it sounds nothing like that. Here is a clip of that part and here is a clip of the whole phrase starting with the "Mamma" (listen very carefully and loop it) and finishing with "already"


01:46:20 RADIO ...go ahead and (all units) start that way 4 will advise it's a siren code...will revise :::itsa sigh-rene code:::
01:47:10 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible)...
01:48:03 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible) do you want
honey ...hold on (unintelligible)...

See comment above
01:49:17 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...I can't understand you...
01:50:21 Darlie Routier ...yes...
01:51:18 911 Operator #1 ...you're going to have to slow down ...calm down ...and talk to me...
01:52:19 Darlie Routier ...I'm talking to my babies ...they're dying...
01:55:03 911 Operator #1 ...what is going on...
01:56:29 Darlie Routier ...somebody came in while I was sleeping ...me and my little boys were sleeping
downstairs...

[Dani_T]

02:02:00 RADIO ...(9015) I'll (I will) be clear...
02:02:20 Darlie Routier ...some man ...came in ...(:::it may be some man came in, but, it sounds more like this to me:::....and then, and then) stabbed my
babies ...stabbed me ...I woke up ...I was frightened/fightin' ...they ran out through the garage ...threw the knife down ...my babies are dying ...they're dead ...oh my God... :::I clearly hear 'threw the knife down'..however, I'm not so sure about the fighting/frightening thing though...one minute it does sound like she COULD be saying FIGHTIN', but, the next time I hear it, it sounds like she COULD be saying frightened...as in FRY-ENDT...(she is NOT saying frightening..and I think she tried to make herself clear in her testimony about this, but, they made a big ordeal out of her saying she tought she could have said "frightening". Freightened/freightening, what difference does it make really?

I looped that over and over again and also changed my mind (although I heard "frightenin'" rather than "frightened" since she finishes with a soft m or n sound rather than a 'd'. But I think I've concluded it was "fightinim" (as in fighting him). I also hear what Dickey transcribed rather than "and then and then". Also with "threw the knife down" I can't hear whether she says "threw the knife down" or "threw the knife there"



02:14:23 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...stay on the phone with me...
02:16:11 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible) :::I don't hear anything here:::

I don't really either. There is some faint background noise but I think I would attribute that just to the tape.

02:17:06 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
02:17:29 911 Operator #1 ...what happened (unintelligible) dispatch 901...
02:20:15 Darlie Routier ...hold on honey ...hold on...
02:22:01 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible) who was on (unintelligible)...
02:22:26 911 Operator #2 ...it was (unintelligible) the white phone...
02:23:08 Darlie Routier ...hold on...
02:25:26 911 Operator #2 ...they were wondering when we need to dispatch ...so I sent a double team...
02:25:28 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...oh my God...
02:28:08 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...thanks...
02:28:21 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
02:29:20 SOUND ...(unintelligible)... [color=blue]:::hmmm...it's a sound, he doesn't have a clue what it is or COULD be, but, felt the need to transcribe it anyway. For what???:::
02:30:01 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
02:30:20 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
02:31:06 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
02:31:14 911 Operator #1 ...who's there with you...
02:32:15 Darlie Routier ...Karen...
02:33:15 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am...
02:34:06 Darlie Routier ...what...
02:38:11 911 Operator #1 ...is there anybody in the house ...besides you and your children...
02:38:11 Darlie Routier ...no ...my husband he just ran downstairs ...he's
helping me...but they're dying ...oh my God ...they're dead...
02:43:24 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...ok ...how many little boys
...is it two boys...
02:46:06 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)... :::this is a RADIO or Clint...haven't been able to 'decipher' it yet though, but, I'm trying...it's NOT Darin though:::

Yep - I agree it is not Darin... when we hear Darin he sounds very far away and is not sounding at all calm. This is a background voice talking quite calmly to someone else. I THINK they are saying "that address out on Eagle" (quickly) but can't be sure.

02:46:25 Darlie Routier ...there's two of 'em ...there's
two...
02:48:18 RADIO ...what's the cross street on that (address out on Eagle)
02:50:15 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...who would do this...
02:53:13 911 Operator #1 ...(ok) listen to me
...calm down ...(calm)...
02:53:21 Darlie Routier ...I feel really bad ...I think I'm
dying...
02:55:06 RADIO ...228...
02:56:06 911 Operator #1 ...go ahead...
02:58:12 RADIO ...(what's the) address again (on that hysterical female out on Eagle)...
02:59:12 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
02:59:22 Darlie Routier ...when are they going to be here...
03:00:22 911 Operator #1 ...5801 Eagle Drive ...5801 Eagle Drive...
03:03:28 Darlie Routier ...when are they going to be here...
03:03:29 911 Operator #1 ...it's gonna be a stabbing... ::IOW..it's not merely a 'hysterical female', it is a stabbing and she is 'clarifying this' for whoever that is asking for the cross street on 'that hysterical female out on Eagle'...they (whoever it is) aren't asking for the address on that STABBING out on Eagle, maybe they didn't hear her say earlier...'hysterical female on the phone says her child has been stabbed'::
03:05:20 Darlie Routier ...when are they going to be here...
03:06:20 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...they're on their way...
03:08:00 RADIO ...(received..to advise)...
03:08:08 Darlie Routier ...(Devon, Devon)...oh my God...

The first word here COULD be Devon (or it may even by Damon - in fact it sounds more like Dammit than anything else to me) but the second word is definitely not - it finishes on an 'er' not an 'on' and sounds like 'neeever'

03:11:14 911 Operator #1 ...2:35...
03:12:05 Darlie Routier ...who would do this ...who would do this...
03:13:09 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible)...
03:14:26 911 Operator #1 ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
03:16:08 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...how old are your boys...
03:18:20 Darlie Routier ...what...
03:19:03 911 Operator #1 ...how old are your boys...
03:20:04 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
03:20:21 911 Operator #1 ...no...
03:21:01 Darlie Routier ...seven and six...
03:22:17 911 Operator #1 ...ok...
03:23:08 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...oh my God ...oh ...he's dead...
03:29:02 911 Operator #1 ...calm down ...can you...
03:29:03 Darlie Routier ...oh God...no...no...oh my God...
03:30:27 SOUND ...(dog barking)... :::I think Dickey is the only one that hears a dog barking myself:::

I don't hear a dog barking either

03:35:02 911 Operator #1 ...is your name Darlie...
03:36:11 Darlie Routier ...yes...
03:36:26 911 Operator #1 ...this is her...
03:37:09 911 Operator #1 ...is your husband's name Darin...
03:38:22 Darlie Routier ...yes ...please hurry ...God they're taking forever...
03:41:20 911 Operator #1 ...there's nobody in your house ...there was ...was...
03:44:05 911 Operator #1 ...you don't know who did this...
03.44.15 SOUND ....(door slam)....:::I wonder why Dickey didn't transcribe ANY sound here...even if he couldn't identify it (just as he does 2 other times). I personally think a door slam here is rather significant myself...I mean, he DID hear a dog barking that was upstairs after all:::

I don't hear a door slam - the only sound I hear at this point sounds like a mechanical kerklunk of some description.

03:45:19 Police Officer ...look for a rag...

I definitely heard him say "look for" but Darlie speaks over him before he finishes his last word so I personally wouldn't claim it was rag (but I wouldn't claim it wasn't either!!!)


03:46:11 Darlie Routier ...they killed our babies...
03:48:03 Police Officer ...lay down ok...just sit down
...(unintelligible ::did you get a/do you have:: description)...unintelligible :::you have to listen closely...you can really only hear the word description, the 'did you get' is just an assumption on my part, I'm just saying it is something to that effect apparently because you can hear the word description. He also says something after that, but, I can't make it out.:::)...


I don't hear this at all - in fact I am not at all sure I hear the officer's voice period. At this point the officer should be closer to Darlie (and hence the phone) than when he made his first comment yet the voice I hear sounds more like the operator speaking to someone in her room- starting right after Darlie finishes "babies". I can hear some sort of sound which almost sounds like a mechanical whispering kind of sound. Do you have a sound byte of that so I can listen?

[Dani_T]

03:51:11 911 Operator #1 ...(sounds of typing on computer
keyboard)...
03:52:13 Darlie Routier (unintelligible)...no ...he ran out ...uh ...they
ran out in the garage ...I was sleeping...
03:54:09 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible)... :::there's no op here..ui or otherwise

Can't make out what is being said here

03:56:19 Darlie Routier ...my babies are over here already cut oh my God...

"My babies... oh oh oh (sobbing) my god
can I (unintelligible we get)… :::she didn't 'finish' what she was going to say...but, who knows what it COULD have been::

03:59:29 Darin Routier ...(he's already dead)...:::you really have to be able to listen to this 'looped' to hear this and be able to 'bring it up'...it is there though. If you have CEP, I could send the .sel file with only this part 'cut out' if anyone wants it. I don't know if GoldWave does that or not.:::

Yep I think I agree with you here- if you loop it it certainly does sound like "He's already dead"


04:01:28 Darlie Routier ...(oh he's dead, oh he's dead)...
04:03:01 RADIO ...(unintelligible uh, sir, step back over here)... :::"uh suh, stepback ova hea"...think strong southern drawlllll (or someone with a pretty significant speech impediment lol). Who is this? It's DEFINITELY not Waddell OR Darin:::

I hear "10-4" instead of uh sir and I think the rest IS "step back over here". However, I am firmly convinced this is not someone in the house. The reason being two fold
1) 10-4 indicates a radio call of some description
2) If you listen to the part where he says "10-4" there is a lot of static which is charactertistic of the radio calls captured on the tape.
3) Listen to this clip- the first section is a part from earlier in the call by Clint (which we can postively identify as him) and the second is 'step back over here'). I'm fairly sure it is the same person ie. Clint. This conclusion is further justified by this next clip which is from further on in the call - the phrase "she's passed that now" which you have grouped as the Southern Drawl with "step back over here and "I ain'tchor boy"- compared with again the same clip we can positively identify as Clint. Again, I think the voices are the same. There does seem to be a slight difference between the clip about "the white phone" and the other two bytes but in the "white phone" bite he is speaking directly to Janice whereas in the other two he is speaking through the radio.

04:05:02 Darlie Routier ...ya'll look out in the garage ...look out in the garage ...they left a knife ...laying on...
04:08:21 RADIO ...(I ain't your boy).... :::I ain'chor boy--anyone from the south will know what I mean:::





04:09:19 911 Operator #1 ...there's a knife ...don't touch anything...
04:11:18 Darlie Routier ...I already touched it and picked it up...
04:12:05 RADIO ...10-4...
04:15:20 911 Operator #1 ...who's out there ...is anybody out there...
04:16:07 Police Officer...(unintelligible)...
04:17:06 Darlie Routier ...I don't know ...I was sleeping...:::she doesn't say sleeping here, again, she doesn't finish what she was saying:::
04:18:14 911 Operator #1 ...ok ma'am ...listen ...there's a police officer at your front door
...is your front door unlocked...
04:22:11 RADIO ...(she's passed that now)... :::that southern drawl:::

I agree that the first part sounds like"she's passed that" but the final word has two syllables rather than one, It almost sounds like "dabit". Ooooh! Wait! How about "She's passed that David" (pronunced "dah-vid rather that Day-vid)"... as in David Waddell. Listen yourselves - what do you think??



04:22:15 Darlie Routier ...yes ma'am ...but where's the ambulance...
04:24:21 911 Operator #1 ...ok...
04:24:23 Darlie Routier ...they're barely breathing...
04:26:17 Darlie Routier ...if they don't get it here they're
gonna be dead ...oh my God they're (unintelligible dead) ...hurry ...please hurry...
04:31:13 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...they're ...they're...
04:32:18 Police Officer ...what about you... :::listen to the voice here and at 4.35, this is Darin...OR...the 4.35 is a police officer as well...the voice is the same is what I'm getting at:::
04:33:06 911 Operator #1 ...is 82 out on Eagle...
04:34:18 Darlie Routier ...huh...
04:35:12 Darin Routier ...(they can't get away like this...they ran ..unintelligible)

I agree that the 4:35 is saying "they can't get away like this" but doubt it is "they ran" as it seems like it is just one word (perhaps cut off in mid sentence by Darlie or blocked out by what Darlie says next). I wondered if it was "can they?" but it sounds more of a deliberate one word - perhaps "ran". IMO both 04:32:18 and 04:35:12 is Darin rather than Waddell. You can listen to both of the bytes together here.

04:36:28 911 Operator #2 ...(unintelligible ...don't know...unintelligible)... :::as in..."I don't know if 82 is out on Eagle". I say that BECAUSE Janice asks Waddell himself...only, she ask him if he's OUT...NOT, "are you out on Eagle"...there's a difference! I think it's a pretty safe assumption to make that the officer she was referring to at 4.18 was NOT Waddell strictly based on her comments alone, but, that assumption is also reinforced by the fact that Walling himself says he didn't think the operator knew Waddell was there...THIS is when she didn't know Waddell was there..so, why would she tell Darlie an officer was at her door any sooner than this IF she hadn't heard from anyone saying they were there? I know, I'm getting way off track! Sorry!:::
04:37:08 Darlie Routier ...we're at Eagle ...5801 Eagle ...my God and hurry...
04:41:03 RADIO...(unintelligible I know)...

Clint again I think

04:41:22 911 Operator #1 ...82 ...are you out...
04:42:25 Police Officer ...nothing's there's nothing gone Mrs. Routier...

I don't here the "there's"- see other comment a few seconds down

04:44:10 Darlie Routier ...oh my God ...oh my God ...why would they do this...
04:48:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible) to advise
(unintelligible) 200...

I don't hear advise at all - I hear r "I believe there were gonna be about 200" OR "I believe we're gonna need about 200"


04:50:18 Police Officer...(unintelligible) the problem Mrs. Routier... :::listen to these 2 together (the 4.48 and 4.50)...it is the same person, it can't be both, and it's clearly NOT Waddell. I personally think whoever this is, doesn't know how to pronounce their last name, it sounds like they are saying "Row-cher":::

As for the voices at 4:42, & 4:50 I agree that they are the same person but I do not agree that they are not Waddell - I actually believe they pronounce Routier the same way- it is just that the first one they are farther away and sound more distant and are close in the next. The "Rou" part is soft and the "tier" part is "tee-air". I also don't think he is saying "the problem"- I think he is repeating "nothing gone"

04:50:21 911 Operator #1 ...what'd he say...
04:51:29 Darlie Routier ...why would they do this...
04:53:08 Darlie Routier ...ok I'm (gonna)...:::again, she doesn't finish what she is saying here either:::
04:54:07 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...listen ma'am ...need to
...need to let the officers in the front door ...ok...
04:59:11 Darlie Routier ...what...
05:00:04 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am..
05:00:22 Darlie Routier ...what ...what...
05:01:15 911 Operator #1 ...need to let the police officers in the front door...
05:04:21 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible yes) his knife was laying over there and I already picked it up...
05:08:19 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...it's alright ...it's ok...
05:09:20 Darlie Routier ...God ...I bet if we could have gotten the prints maybe ...maybe...
05:13:18 Police Officer ...(unintelligible)...
05:14:18 RADIO ...82 ...we'll be (unintelligible ...we need crime scene...) :::CLEAR as a bell..and that's ALL he says:::

Actually I DON'T think this is Waddell - This is someone else coming in over the radio and they are saying "eiiiighty two we'll get crime scene on/in it)". You can listen here. Again- it is Clint (Mr Southern Drawl ;) )


05:17:12 Darlie Routier ...ok it'll be ...ok it'll be...
05:18:08 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...hang on ...hang on a second...
05:19:09 Darlie Routier ...somebody who...did it
05:20:19 911 Operator #1 ...82 ...10-9...
X:XX:XX Darlie Routier ...intentionally walked in here and did it Darin...
:::focus your attention immediately after 10-9 and Darlie says Darin, you will hear the following "radio", only, it's obviously NOT a 'radio':::

What bugs me about this -despite the obvious rebuke in her voice- is that I don't hear Darin saying anything to her before this point and I'm wondering what made her say what she did...

05:21:23 RADIO ...(unintelligible ...sleeping...)...

It's way too clear to be anyone in the Routier home- I think it has to be Clint or someone coming through on the radio. I don't agree it is necessarily 'sleeping'. Looping it sounds like it could be 'leave it'.

05:22:28 911 Operator #1 OPERATOR #2 (CLINT not Janice) ...received...

I don't hear this at all... in fact I think this here is actually the 'sleeping' you refer to. There is no way that there are two voices in that split second between Darlie says "Darin" and then says "there's nothing touched". I'm not sure it is received though either unless the first part of the word has been cut off by Darlie. There is however someone coming in in the middle of Darlie's sentence to Darin which you can just hear a fraction of which may be 'received'.

05:23:05 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...
05:24:12 911 Operator #1 ...ok ma'am...
05:25:13 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...
05:26:20 RADIO ...(unintelligible ...ma'am ...we need you to step over here)

I got very similar- "maam you're gonna need to step over there" and from what I can tell it matches Waddell's voice when he says "look for a..."

05:28:00 Darlie Routier ...oh my God...
05:29:08 Police Officer (:::or Darin::: ...(what ...unintelligible)...
05:29:23 RADIO ...received...
05:31:19 RADIO ...(unintelligible ...look at the jewelry )…:::this is VERY hard to hear, you have to listen VERY CAREFULLY (and you may have to turn the bass down a bit), this is why the 'looping' comes in handy if you have something that will do that:::

Jewellery is way too long for it to be what is said there. The final word of that phrase is only one syllable - even if you don't prounounce (jew-ree) it properly it is still 2 syllables. What that phrase sounds like is "lit/lick the grill" which makes no sense of course but it is definitely not "look at the jewellery)

05:33:25 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...is the police officer there...
05:35:14 Darlie Routier ...yes (unintelligible)...
05:35:23 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...go talk to him ...ok...
DARLIE ROUTIER ...(unintelligible)...
?????????? ... I doubt that it was (unintelligible)... :::although it sounds to me like her or her's:::
911 OPERATOR #1 ...yes, that's ok...go talk to him
05:38:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible ...they were right there ...all of 'em were)... :::this is VERY CLEAR as well:::

yep :) I hear that too - sounds like Clint again

[cami]

As for Darin - I hear "Oh my God blake kim in here" (which of course makes no sense- the blake part that is!!!). I definitely don't hear "can you get in here". The word "blake" might be a contraction of two other words (I originally thought 'how they'd come in here" but it still doesn't fit that blake sound). Did he have a nickname for Darlie that sounds like "blake"???? As in "Darlie c'm in here"?


I hear Darin say right here" He or they can't make it if they don't get here" So I am not sure if he says "they" or "he" but I think it could be 'he' meaning Devon.

04:17:06 Darlie Routier ...I don't know ...I was sleeping...:::she doesn't say sleeping here, again, she doesn't finish what she was saying:::

Yeah I think Darlie does say "i was sleeping" I hear it.

Hmmmm you know what I hear? At the very beginning of this clip- very soft- I hear a "mamma" right before Darlie says "My babies and dead"- and then suddenly says "Damon! Damon, Damon"

Her voice really disturbs me when she says Damon, Damon, Damon. She is not hysterical that's for sure, more angry than anything. I wish someone else could hear it. Maybe I'm nuts!!!

02:02:00 RADIO ...(9015) I'll (I will) be clear...
02:02:20 Darlie Routier ...some man ...came in ...(:::it may be some man came in, but, it sounds more like this to me:::....and then, and then) stabbed my
babies ...stabbed me ...I woke up ...I was frightened/fightin' ...they ran out through the garage ...threw the knife down ...my babies are dying ...they're dead ...oh my God... :::I clearly hear 'threw the knife down'..however, I'm not so sure about the fighting/frightening thing though...one minute it does sound like she COULD be saying FIGHTIN', but, the next time I hear it, it sounds like she COULD be saying frightened...as in FRY-ENDT...(she is NOT saying frightening..and I think she tried to make herself clear in her testimony about this, but, they made a big ordeal out of her saying she tought she could have said "frightening". Freightened/freightening, what difference does it make really?

I looped that over and over again and also changed my mind (although I heard "frightenin'" rather than "frightened" since she finishes with a soft m or n sound rather than a 'd'. But I think I've concluded it was "fightinim" (as in fighting him). I also hear what Dickey transcribed rather than "and then and then". Also with "threw the knife down" I can't hear whether she says "threw the knife down" or "threw the knife there"

I definitely hear Darlie say " I woke up I was fighting him" but with her accent she cuts off the "g" in fighting and the "h" in him so it sounds like "fightin im" . Just as she calls the operator "m" as in "yes m" for "yes maam" when she replies to her.

I also hear Darlie say, "he ran out through the garage, threw the knife down" plain as day. That was my one big argument with Jeff who refuses to acknowledge she said it as it's incriminating to her.

[beesy]

Dani thanks for posting that. It's really creepy. What background sounds are ya'll hearing in there? Do you hear utensils clattering? I really think I do.:waitasec:

[Dani_T]

I also hear Darlie say, "he ran out through the garage, threw the knife down" plain as day. That was my one big argument with Jeff who refuses to acknowledge she said it as it's incriminating to her.


Yeah - LOL. Remember 'ree in the pee'

LOL

[Mary456]

Mary, Goody, DP- you know what I suddenly remembered? El Jeffe was going take the 911 call to a sound specialist to get it cleaned up. Remember? It was only going to cost a couple of hundred dollars *LOL*. Is he still posting on a board anywhere? Someone should ask him if he did it.

I'll never forget that discussion, it was so hilarious! Jeff said, "Ok, I've had enough of this. I contacted a real professional forensic audiologist and asked for a quote." Next thing ya know, he's passing the hat to fund his little adventure, and the Darlies were lining up to send money. Remember Obsidian, Dani? She planned to send him $150!! And Sissy and Reasonable Doubt...I'm telling you, they were falling all over each other to brown nose their grand poobah.

Well, that was in April of 2004. A year and a half later, and we still haven't heard anything. Jeff was a man of many words, but very little action, lol! I've heard he's disappeared from the Darlie message boards...there's speculation he uttered too many "canards" and choked to death :boohoo:

[Mary456]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]As for Darin - I hear "Oh my God blake kim in here" (which of course makes no sense- the blake part that is!!!). I definitely don't hear "can you get in here". The word "blake" might be a contraction of two other words (I originally thought 'how they'd come in here" but it still doesn't fit that blake sound). Did he have a nickname for Darlie that sounds like "blake"???? As in "Darlie c'm in here"?QUOTE]

Just a wild guess, but could "Oh my God blake kim in here" be something like "Oh my God get Karen here"?

Seems that Karen was on his mind, because at 00:50 you hear him saying, "Just...just get somebody".

[beesy]

Yeah - LOL. Remember 'ree in the pee'

LOL Well, now somebody needs to explain this one! Sounds good! :woohoo:
I try to find any excuse to use woohoo man

[beesy]

[QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mary456As
Just a wild guess, but could "Oh my God blake kim in here" be something like "Oh my God get Karen here"?

Seems that Karen was on his mind, because at 00:50 you hear him saying, "Just...just get somebody".
Could be, but I hear what cami thinks she hears:" He or they can't make it if they don't get here" in sort of a high pitched whiny voice. I do know one thing: it's not "Oh my God, blake kim in here" LOL!
Mary, did you get my now 3 PM's?

[beesy]

I definitely hear Darlie say " I woke up I was fighting him" but with her accent she cuts off the "g" in fighting and the "h" in him so it sounds like "fightin im" . Just as she calls the operator "m" as in "yes m" for "yes maam" when she replies to her. That's what I hear. I happen to say it the same way. "I was fightin 'im" I can control my accent to a degree, but when I'm upset, out it comes. Nobody ever mentions that if she did say "frightening", that's not the right way to use that word! Unless she was actually frightening because she was the killer!

[beesy]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]babies ...stabbed me ...I woke up ...I was frightened/fightin' ...they ran out through the garage ...threw the knife down ...my babies are dying ...they're dead ...oh my God... :::I clearly hear 'threw the knife down'..however, I'm not so sure about the fighting/frightening thing though...one minute it does sound like she COULD be saying FIGHTIN', but, the next time I hear it, it sounds like she COULD be saying frightened...as in FRY-ENDT...(she is NOT saying frightening..and I think she tried to make herself clear in her testimony about this, but, they made a big ordeal out of her saying she tought she could have said "frightening". Freightened/freightening, what difference does it make really?
It matters because even Darlie(I hope) knows that you don't use "frightening" like that. You would say "frightened" if you're scared and "frightening" if you are the scary one. For her to say she said "frightening" sounds like she's just pissing in our pockets because she doesn't want to admit she first claimed to have fought with the guy. But if she really says "frightened" then it's used correctly and might be true. Therefore, it makes a big difference

[Dani_T]

[QUOTE]
It matters because even Darlie(I hope) knows that you don't use "frightening" like that. You would say "frightened" if you're scared and "frightening" if you are the scary one. For her to say she said "frightening" sounds like she's just pissing in our pockets because she doesn't want to admit she first claimed to have fought with the guy. But if she really says "frightened" then it's used correctly and might be true. Therefore, it makes a big difference


I agree. The blue parts are not my comments- they are the original posters who I was replying to.

[beesy]

I agree. The blue parts are not my comments- they are the original posters who I was replying to. Yeah, I saw that. I just thought I'd throw it out there in case somebody else wanted to know :dance: Thanks again for posting it. I'm annoyed at myself. I heard untensils 2 separate times, but now I can't hear it and I didn't write it down.

[Dani_T]

Well, now somebody needs to explain this one! Sounds good! :woohoo:
I try to find any excuse to use woohoo man

Jeff is one of the most avid Darlie supporters you could run into. He used to post a lot on the board I mentioned before (now defunct) and was at times infuriating to debate with because he just wouldn't back down even when what he was saying was ridiculous.

He even spoke to Darlie in prison. One of the big things for him is that he continually asserted that Darlie got the whole knife in the U-room thing wrong. He even told her to her face that she was mistaken LOL.

So anyway, instead of hearing "threw the knife down" (which is as clear as day) he maintained that she said "ree in the pee"

LOL.

[Dani_T]

I've just been listening to the call again on the same software I used last time and have noticed something.

In the first minute of the call I'm sure that Darin is telling her to help by either getting somebody of 'coming in there'. A number of times.

For example at 50:10 he clearly says "just get somebody" and she replies by getting hysterical and saying "who would do this" a couple of times. It is interesting that each time he addresses her and tells her to help (in some fashion) he voice begins to escalate again and she gets that hysterical edge.

At 1:10 when she says 'Hold on' (quite calmly actually) she is talking to Darin not the boys.


Just a wild guess, but could "Oh my God blake kim in here" be something like "Oh my God get Karen here"?

Seems that Karen was on his mind, because at 00:50 you hear him saying, "Just...just get somebody".
Could be, but I hear what cami thinks she hears:" He or they can't make it if they don't get here" in sort of a high pitched whiny voice. I do know one thing: it's not "Oh my God, blake kim in here" LOL!
Mary, did you get my now 3 PM's?

I've looped that soundbyte over and over again and I hear it very clearly. He says "Oh my God" and then a word which starts with a 'bl' sound and then "come in here" (kiminhere). If he was Australian I would suggest the 'bl' sound is 'bloody' (abbreviated to one syllable) since it is a favourite adjective of ours ;) But I doubt Texans use it much?

"They can't make it if they don't get here" is way too long (at least 2 syllables too long) for what he says. Have you tried actually looping just that second and a half? It sounds really clear to me. I have a wav file splice of it if anyone wants me to email it to them (as well as one which is slowed down a bit so you can hear better). Just PM me your email address and I will email it.

Interestingly she is a lot closer to him than she was a few seconds ago because you hear him more clearly and loudly at this point. Yet, if he is talking to her and telling her to get in there then she is still in the kitchen at that point. And so right before that if she is father away from him (as the volume of his voice suggests) she must be down closer to the U-room.

One thing which I remember really struck me last time and has struck me again is that I honestly do believe that Darin was shocked at what he found. His voice on the tape sounds genuine- he wants somebody to help and he wants it now. He's yelling at Darlie and she's telling him to hold on and giving a running commentary over and over again about who would do it. If you listen to him in the background he isn't talking much, he's trying to save Devon and just wants help.

I know that that argument is pretty weak since lots of people think Darlie sounds genuine on that tape (I think she was probably genuinely hysterical at that point myself but not for the reasons she claims). But I just can't get past Darin on that call sounding horrified and desperate for help. No wonder her ran out to get Karen- Darlie wasn't doing a bloody thing. <--- see, popular aussie adjective ;)

[Goody]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]As for Darin - I hear "Oh my God blake kim in here" (which of course makes no sense- the blake part that is!!!). I definitely don't hear "can you get in here". The word "blake" might be a contraction of two other words (I originally thought 'how they'd come in here" but it still doesn't fit that blake sound). Did he have a nickname for Darlie that sounds like "blake"???? As in "Darlie c'm in here"?QUOTE]

Just a wild guess, but could "Oh my God blake kim in here" be something like "Oh my God get Karen here"?

Seems that Karen was on his mind, because at 00:50 you hear him saying, "Just...just get somebody".
Could just "blake kim in here" be something like "make him in here"?

Also, when Darin first says get somebody, I took it to mean EMT's, not Karen. Darlie is on the phone and she is telling the operator what happened. Darin, if he is for real, is panicking and wanting help right now!! He is overwhelmed by what he sees and probably feels helpless, so he is wanting to push her to forget explaining, just get someone here.

[Goody]

05:20:19 911 Operator #1 ...82 ...10-9...
X:XX:XX Darlie Routier ...intentionally walked in here and did it Darin...
:::focus your attention immediately after 10-9 and Darlie says Darin, you will hear the following "radio", only, it's obviously NOT a 'radio':::

What bugs me about this -despite the obvious rebuke in her voice- is that I don't hear Darin saying anything to her before this point and I'm wondering what made her say what she did...

I think Darin said something to Waddell out of earshot of the 911 tape recorder that made Darlie feel uncomfortable. Is that not possible?

05:23:05 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...
05:24:12 911 Operator #1 ...ok ma'am...
05:25:13 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...
05:26:20 RADIO ...(unintelligible ...ma'am ...we need you to step over here)

I got very similar- "maam you're gonna need to step over there" and from what I can tell it matches Waddell's voice when he says "look for a..."
Well, this matches Waddell's and Walling's statements that they told Darlie and Darin to stand near the glass sliding doors while they cleared the house. Is it possible that Walling is in the house before Darlie hangs up. You know, he is probably the policeman at the front door. The operator did not know Waddell had responded to the call. So he was already inside for a bit and then Walling arrives. You could be hearing both officer's voices.

05:33:25 911 Operator #1 ...ma'am ...is the police officer there...
05:35:14 Darlie Routier ...yes (unintelligible)...
05:35:23 911 Operator #1 ...ok ...go talk to him ...ok...
DARLIE ROUTIER ...(unintelligible)...
?????????? ... I doubt that it was (unintelligible)... :::although it sounds to me like her or her's:::
911 OPERATOR #1 ...yes, that's ok...go talk to him
05:38:03 RADIO ...(unintelligible ...they were right there ...all of 'em were)... :::this is VERY CLEAR as well:::

yep :) I hear that too - sounds like Clint again

[Goody]

[QUOTE]
It matters because even Darlie(I hope) knows that you don't use "frightening" like that. You would say "frightened" if you're scared and "frightening" if you are the scary one. For her to say she said "frightening" sounds like she's just pissing in our pockets because she doesn't want to admit she first claimed to have fought with the guy. But if she really says "frightened" then it's used correctly and might be true. Therefore, it makes a big difference

To be fair, a person in an agitated state could get tongue-tied. So I think it is possible. I just don't believe she said anything but fighting. No where on the whole tape does she talk about how she feels. She is continually trying to tell what happened, like she wants to get it all said and on record. I disagree with Dani, I don't think she is hysterical. I think she is trying to act hysterical and that is why some statements come out sounding calm or reactionary.

[Dani_T]

Well, this matches Waddell's and Walling's statements that they told Darlie and Darin to stand near the glass sliding doors while they cleared the house. Is it possible that Walling is in the house before Darlie hangs up. You know, he is probably the policeman at the front door. The operator did not know Waddell had responded to the call. So he was already inside for a bit and then Walling arrives. You could be hearing both officer's voices.
I did a fair amount of work on the timing of Walling and Waddell (from testimonies) and the info on the 911 call and I seem to remember coming to the conclusion that Joyce didn't know what was going on with Waddell in the house and when she says there is an officer at the door she is referring to Waddell and that Walling didn't arrive for another 30 seconds or so. So for example 2 mins after Waddell had arrived Joyce is saying "Is 82 out on Eagle" (4:33)- from memory 82 was Waddell's number. Then she tries to contact him directly (and tries to get Darlie to stop talking and hang on so she can confirm), then asks him to repeat his last transmission (10-9 at 5.20) and then realises he is there and tells Darlie to go talk to him (not realising she has already been doing that).

[Goody]

One thing which I remember really struck me last time and has struck me again is that I honestly do believe that Darin was shocked at what he found. His voice on the tape sounds genuine- he wants somebody to help and he wants it now. He's yelling at Darlie and she's telling him to hold on and giving a running commentary over and over again about who would do it. If you listen to him in the background he isn't talking much, he's trying to save Devon and just wants help.

I know that that argument is pretty weak since lots of people think Darlie sounds genuine on that tape (I think she was probably genuinely hysterical at that point myself but not for the reasons she claims). But I just can't get past Darin on that call sounding horrified and desperate for help. No wonder her ran out to get Karen- Darlie wasn't doing a bloody thing. <--- see, popular aussie adjective ;)
I know Darin sounds genuine, but so did Susan Smith. Personally I think Darin is a manipulator, and that he learned something growing up that Darlie did not. Not to spit in the wind. I think Darin knows how to use emotion when he needs to, and how to step back into the background when things get too hot. Darlie, all she seems to know is how to push forward. Like Michael Jackson she is going to show us how wrong we are rather than conform to society's rules. That makes her a bigger risk taker than Darin, but I don't think it means he doesn't take risks at all. He just likes to take them from a safety zone without most of the world knowing he is doing it. In this case that would be Darlie being the front man while he sits back stage watching from the sidelines.

If Darin did not know about this crime and was genuine as you think, that means he had to turn on a dime as soon as he did find out and completely sell his kids out. It also means that he has nothing to fear if Darlie should decide to confess. Tough one for me to swallow. Darlie might have pushed this one through, but I don't think she did it all alone or that he was completely unaware until he stumbled into chaos. I agree that there is some supporting evidence of that, but there are also things that point against him.

BTW, thanks for posting this. You did a good job.

[beesy]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]

At 1:10 when she says 'Hold on' (quite calmly actually) she is talking to Darin not the boys.

Do you think she's saying like "hold on, I'm coming" type of thing?

I've looped that soundbyte over and over again and I hear it very clearly. He says "Oh my God" and then a word which starts with a 'bl' sound and then "come in here" (kiminhere). If he was Australian I would suggest the 'bl' sound is 'bloody' (abbreviated to one syllable) since it is a favourite adjective of ours ;) But I doubt Texans use it much? Alot of Americans use it now after Pirates of the Carribean came out. In fact, I just used it in another thread even before I saw yours. I doubt they were in '96 though, especially the Routiers. He could be just saying "blood" as in "look at all this blood". You know.." Oh my God, blood"


"They can't make it if they don't get here" is way too long (at least 2 syllables too long) for what he says. Have you tried actually looping just that second and a half? It sounds really clear to me. I have a wav file splice of it if anyone wants me to email it to them (as well as one which is slowed down a bit so you can hear better). Just PM me your email address and I will email it.

I'm sorry I teased about "blake kim in here". I actually thought it was the other person's post on that one. Sorry. I don't have that part looped. I have the whole thing. I'd love for you to send it to me. I need to separate some of the other lines and loop those too. Is that the only part you have looped? I was listening to the tape last night and for the 1st time heard clear as a bell the "Damon, Damon, Damon". I nearly threw up and just turned it off and got in bed. It sounds like when you are at the grocery store and your child is acting up, you know you do that thing under your breath. "get over here before I snatch you bald-headed" Mama used to say that to us in church. She may be calling for Darin so could stop Damon from crawling too far out the family room It reminded me of that sort of thing, but it's pure evil. Do you realize that we might actually be hearing that boy being killed?

Interestingly she is a lot closer to him than she was a few seconds ago because you hear him more clearly and loudly at this point. Yet, if he is talking to her and telling her to get in there then she is still in the kitchen at that point. And so right before that if she is father away from him (as the volume of his voice suggests) she must be down closer to the U-room.

She is much closer, I agree. Maybe he was the one running though. Was he going out to cut the screen or had he stepped into the kitchen to ask for her help? Ooooh! Maybe she was wiping the sofa off. I don't think he tried to do CPR very long on Devon, if at all. Once he realized the boys were actually dead or dying, maybe then felt he had to take responsiblity. I think Darin did the things which required leaving the house. I go back and forth because I really like my theory that Darlie got those paper cuts from holding the screen. But then it would have been easier for Darin to do that since she was bleeding everywhere. Oh a thought! Maybe she cut the screen before the murders? Do you ever hear water in the background? I think she was still wiping the counter and sink while on the phone. Have you heard any utensils? I know I heard that! Everybody's probably thinking I'm crazy, but I swear I do.
[QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
One thing which I remember really struck me last time and has struck me again is that I honestly do believe that Darin was shocked at what he found. His voice on the tape sounds genuine- he wants somebody to help and he wants it now. He's yelling at Darlie and she's telling him to hold on and giving a running commentary over and over again about who would do it. If you listen to him in the background he isn't talking much, he's trying to save
Devon and just wants help.
Especially when he says whatever that sentence is. Could he be saying "he ain't gonna make it, if they don't get here" or "can you comeinhere"
I believe that Darin was horrified at first. I mentioned she may have threatened to kill them or herself, yada yada, and she met his dare. If so, it makes sense that he'd be freaking out when he first sees the boys and Darlie. Then helped her because he felt like he was also to blame, or maybe he feels he is totally to blame. Can't you just hear Darlie saying "you made me do this"? She was/is immature enough to blame someone else for her actions. She's still doing it. She says the nurses lied, cops lied, evidence lied, everything, poor counsel, etc. Has anyone ever heard her say "I am so sorry I couldn't save my boys"? I know in the Silly String interview she says "we tried to save the babies, but we couldn't" or something of the sort. I've always noted she says "THE babies". Is that another clue? Has she ever accepted any blame at all for not saving them? I'm using her theory here that she didn't kill the boys, most parents still feel guilt no matter how the child dies. We all know she did this, but IF there was an intruder, Darlie and Darin both should feel guilty. Remember all Darlie says she did for the boys is put a wet towel on Damon's back. She should feel awful that Damon died whether she killed him or not. He was alive, watching her, trying to breathe as she was running around on the stupid phone. :furious:

[Dani_T]

[QUOTE=Goody]

If Darin did not know about this crime and was genuine as you think, that means he had to turn on a dime as soon as he did find out and completely sell his kids out. It also means that he has nothing to fear if Darlie should decide to confess. [quote]

That's only if he did come to the realisation (not just subconciously) that she did it. I think he was in denial for a long time. Of course, that doesn't mean he didn't change his story to try and help her- but I don't think that necessarily means he knew she was guilty- just wrongly charged. I too have trouble believing he would turn on a dime- particularly if he arrived at the scene and knew she did it and then had 5 minutes to decide to cover for her. I think that is just too highly improbable.

[beesy]

That's only if he did come to the realisation (not just subconciously) that she did it. I think he was in denial for a long time. Of course, that doesn't mean he didn't change his story to try and help her- but I don't think that necessarily means he knew she was guilty- just wrongly charged. I too have trouble believing he would turn on a dime- particularly if he arrived at the scene and knew she did it and then had 5 minutes to decide to cover for her. I think that is just too highly improbable.[/color] I don't think he had to "turn on a dime". Do you like my theory about her threatening to hurt the boys? If that did happen, He would be horrified that she actually followed thru on the threat, but might also realize he had to help her since he "dared" her to do it.

[Goody]

[QUOTE=Goody]

If Darin did not know about this crime and was genuine as you think, that means he had to turn on a dime as soon as he did find out and completely sell his kids out. It also means that he has nothing to fear if Darlie should decide to confess. [quote]


[QUOTE=Dani_T]That's only if he did come to the realisation (not just subconciously) that she did it. I think he was in denial for a long time. Of course, that doesn't mean he didn't change his story to try and help her- but I don't think that necessarily means he knew she was guilty- just wrongly charged. I too have trouble believing he would turn on a dime- particularly if he arrived at the scene and knew she did it and then had 5 minutes to decide to cover for her. I think that is just too highly improbable.
Here's the thing, Dani. There is evidence that suggests she thought this out in advance. The seven things I listed on another post. I am sure you have seen it. Now maybe she didn't plan it well, but she planned it in her Darlie diva way and put those wheels in motion. We don't know if Darin knew it or not, but I bet he knew something of it. My instincts just tell me that they probably discussed it. I don't know how seriously, but some of his actions that night tell me that if he was not a part of it, he figured out what had gone down pretty quick and was scared. Going after Karen gave him an excuse to get out of the house and away from it, a break so to speak. Hardly the actions of a concerned father. More like the actions of a guilty one if only in those planning stages when he might not have thought they would ever really do it. Maybe he was just placating her, at least she wasn't harping and complaining. Maybe their argument that night was about doing it and when, and maybe she went ahead with it anyway in spite of his objections.

Now if Darin is involved in the planning but not the execution, he's got good reason to be afraid of what Darlie could tell on him. She could probably pull him down with her. And she may before it is over.

Now you get to the part where he starts defending her.....at the hospital he is already telling the police that he can see why someone would attack her, its her beauty, her big knockers, etc. How does he have his thoughts together so soon?

One of the cops who didn't testify said it started not at the hospital but at the scene when Darin made an inappropriate joke about the intruder having to get past her boobs to cut her throat. Why on earth would he think of that? Maybe he tried to cut her while she was laying down and couldn't, so they abandoned the idea, sending her into the kitchen to do it herself????? Whatever, these comments make him appear to be accepting of the murders within an hour or two or less even. Where's denial? Where's anger?

But back to assuming he doesn't participate in the murders......We can have him turning, but there could be room for him to do it in an hour or so rather than 5 or 10 minutes. Devon is killed. He finds out about it, maybe interrupts the process, and they fight, then talk, then start the cover up. Damon, of course, would be part of the cover up. Point out the weak spots if you will. I am mostly just thinking out loud.

[sue1017]

To me at the beginning of the call she sounds like she is out-of-breath (like someone that just ran about the length of a football to hide a sock!).

Once she catches her breath you can understand her clearly. If I was panicked I would be hyperventilating too but doubt that it would stop after a few seconds or minutes.

Thought I would share.

Sue

BTW, DaniT--that part about the 1:44 part on the audio transcript really is disturbing. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. It has shed some light on my thoughts of her killing the boys.

[Dani_T]

Here's the thing, Dani. There is evidence that suggests she thought this out in advance. The seven things I listed on another post. I am sure you have seen it. Now maybe she didn't plan it well, but she planned it in her Darlie diva way and put those wheels in motion.

Yes, I agree she planned it to SOME extent. Not sure how much

My instincts just tell me that they probably discussed it. I don't know how seriously, but some of his actions that night tell me that if he was not a part of it, he figured out what had gone down pretty quick and was scared.

If they discussed it and Darin went with it you are basically talking about two sociopaths. What are the chances that both of them were sociopaths? I jiust find it too hard to believe that they BOTH could have been OK with this.

But you are assuming he figured it out quickly. Why? What makes you say that? Putting aside his later contradictions at trial, what did he do that night that makes you sure that he suddenly realised it was Darlie?

Going after Karen gave him an excuse to get out of the house and away from it, a break so to speak. Hardly the actions of a concerned father. More like the actions of a guilty one if only in those planning stages when he might not have thought they would ever really do it.

I actually see them as the actions of a desperate man- he knew his neighbour across the street was a nurse. He had been trying CPR and Devon was dead. My reaction would be to get someone who knew what the hell to do.. just like he was screaming for Darlie to just get somebody. Even after the paramedics arrived I think I would still want someone I knew and trusted there. I just don't see why going to Karen should be suspicious.


[color=purple]Now if Darin is involved in the planning but not the execution, he's got good reason to be afraid of what Darlie could tell on him. She could probably pull him down with her. And she may before it is over.

What makes you think Darin is afraid of Darlie?


Now you get to the part where he starts defending her.....at the hospital he is already telling the police that he can see why someone would attack her, its her beauty, her big knockers, etc. How does he have his thoughts together so soon?

See I don't see that as thoughts together. I see it as a man who is obviously besotted with his wife's looks and who is trying to work out why someone would do this. I think it is a pretty stupid thing to say really and if he really wanted to defend her all he needed to say was they broke in for money etc, she got in the way and scared them off. Just because he is defvending her does not mean that he thinks she is guilty.


One of the cops who didn't testify said it started not at the hospital but at the scene when Darin made an inappropriate joke about the intruder having to get past her boobs to cut her throat. Why on earth would he think of that?

Sorry but I only see that as pure speculation. Same level as Waddell throwing up on the scene.


[color=purple]But back to assuming he doesn't participate in the murders......We can have him turning, but there could be room for him to do it in an hour or so rather than 5 or 10 minutes. Devon is killed. He finds out about it, maybe interrupts the process, and they fight, then talk, then start the cover up. Damon, of course, would be part of the cover up. Point out the weak spots if you will. I am mostly just thinking out loud.

Your assumption is he knew she was guilty either at the scene or immediately after it. I don't see how you can make that assumption. To put two cold blooded killers in that house with neither of them seeing much wrong with even just contemplating the murder of their kids is just too far fetched. I just don't see how they could BOTH be willing to contemplate the idea, discuss it, even disagree over it. If Darin came downstairs and found that horror scene I think believing his wife did it would be as far from his mind as anything. I don't think he believed for a long time... years later.. if perhaps at all. I think he was trying to cover for her by his contradictions because he honestly believed (at least on a conscious level) she was wrongly accused. To admit to yourself that your wife was a child killer.... that you had lived with her all that time... that you had left your kids in her care... that's a massive thing to bring yourself to believe in any small amount of time.

PS> Beesy- sorry haven't forgotten about your posts. Just been very busy. Will try and get to them soon!

[beesy]

Jeff is one of the most avid Darlie supporters you could run into. He used to post a lot on the board I mentioned before (now defunct) and was at times infuriating to debate with because he just wouldn't back down even when what he was saying was ridiculous.

He even spoke to Darlie in prison. One of the big things for him is that he continually asserted that Darlie got the whole knife in the U-room thing wrong. He even told her to her face that she was mistaken LOL.

So anyway, instead of hearing "threw the knife down" (which is as clear as day) he maintained that she said "ree in the pee"

LOL. Oh dear! Is English his first language? Do you think he really met Darlie? :loser:


As for the voices at 4:42, & 4:50 I agree that they are the same person but I do not agree that they are not Waddell - I actually believe they pronounce Routier the same way- it is just that the first one they are farther away and sound more distant and are close in the next. The "Rou" part is soft and the "tier" part is "tee-air". I also don't think he is saying "the problem"- I think he is repeating "nothing gone

First time I heard that I was confused because they mispronouce Routier. Ok, it wasn't just the first time, more like the 20th time. I finally figured it out though. I still say it wrong sometimes even though I KNOW how it's pronouced. I think he says "..the problem" too, but I'll take another listen. Isn't it weird we seem to hear different things then whoever did the transcripts? From the mins, I think we hear Walling both times.

PS> Beesy- sorry haven't forgotten about your posts. Just been very busy. Will try and get to them soon!
Thanks for saying that. Funny, I was just thinking "hey, nobody's answering me"! Then I read that....:dance:

[Mary456]

Goody: "Now maybe she didn't plan it well, but she planned it in her Darlie diva way and put those wheels in motion. We don't know if Darin knew it or not, but I bet he knew something of it. My instincts just tell me that they probably discussed it"

That would make both of them sociopaths who planned the cold-blooded murders of their own sons. I don't see it, Goody, I really don't. In fact, I've never heard of a case where both parents decided to kill their kids for a book or movie deal.
"Going after Karen gave him an excuse to get out of the house and away from it, a break so to speak. Hardly the actions of a concerned father."

I see it differently. It only took about 2 minutes for Darin to get the Neals and return to the house. When the PO refused them entrance, Darin and Terry both yelled, "She's a nurse!" That doesn't sound like a father who's trying to hide anything; it sounds like a father who's desperately trying to get help for his sons.

"Now if Darin is involved in the planning but not the execution, he's got good reason to be afraid of what Darlie could tell on him. She could probably pull him down with her. And she may before it is over."

I don't think he has anything to fear at this point. Darlie can't pull him down without incriminating herself, and she'd be a fool to do that. It would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Implicating Darin, in any way, shape, or form, simply puts another nail in her coffin.

[beesy]

To me at the beginning of the call she sounds like she is out-of-breath (like someone that just ran about the length of a football to hide a sock!).

Once she catches her breath you can understand her clearly. If I was panicked I would be hyperventilating too but doubt that it would stop after a few seconds or minutes.

Thought I would share.

Sue

BTW, DaniT--that part about the 1:44 part on the audio transcript really is disturbing. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. It has shed some light on my thoughts of her killing the boys. I think she sounds hoarse pretty much throughout the whole tape. I really believe Darin took the sock down the alley. She sounds like she's running around the house to me, not really breathless, but not sitting still either. She didn't have time to sit down, she was busy. As for her becoming more clear on the tape, I think that's just Darlie forgetting to be hysterical and showing her true self. One thing I meant to mention earlier. Springer says in her book that Darlie's vitals were all normal, on the low side at that. HUH???? What the? Maybe she really does ice in those veins, Goody.

[Dani_T]

don't have that part looped. I have the whole thing. I'd love for you to send it to me. I need to separate some of the other lines and loop those too. Is that the only part you have looped?

It's the only part I currently have as a separate wav file but if you want a specific part let me know (using the time references) and I will try and get it for you. You will need software which can loop it for you or else you can just keep hitting the play button repeatedly.

[color=darkred][b]She is much closer, I agree. Maybe he was the one running though. Was he going out to cut the screen or had he stepped into the kitchen to ask for her help? Ooooh! Maybe she was wiping the sofa off. I don't think he tried to do CPR very long on Devon, if at all. Once he realized the boys were actually dead or dying, maybe then felt he had to take responsiblity. I think Darin did the things which required leaving the house. I go back and forth because I really like my theory that Darlie got those paper cuts from holding the screen. But then it would have been easier for Darin to do that since she was bleeding everywhere. Oh a thought! Maybe she cut the screen before the murders?[/quote]

Yes, I think it is pretty commonly accepted that she cut the screens before the murder. She would have left blood everywhere if she had done it afterwards.

I still think though that the possibility of Darin being in anyway involved in the commission of the crime is just too remote. Two sociopaths in one house? I don't think so.

[cami]

Yeah - LOL. Remember 'ree in the pee'

LOL

OMG, that was hysterical wasn't it. Wasn't it Rachel that came up with that, LOL. I just wanted to reach through the computer and shake them, especially Jeff, and tell them to stop lying, you can hear what Darlie says plain as day. I couldn't believe he was denying what he heard, I was shocked. I thought he was on the up and up until then. LOL

[cami]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]As for Darin - I hear "Oh my God blake kim in here" (which of course makes no sense- the blake part that is!!!). I definitely don't hear "can you get in here". The word "blake" might be a contraction of two other words (I originally thought 'how they'd come in here" but it still doesn't fit that blake sound). Did he have a nickname for Darlie that sounds like "blake"???? As in "Darlie c'm in here"?QUOTE]

Just a wild guess, but could "Oh my God blake kim in here" be something like "Oh my God get Karen here"?

Seems that Karen was on his mind, because at 00:50 you hear him saying, "Just...just get somebody".

I really do think it is "make it" not "blake" at all but I can't do that loop thing that Dani can so I will concede to her, LOL. I do hear "all that blood" or something to that effect.

[cami]

[QUOTE]
It matters because even Darlie(I hope) knows that you don't use "frightening" like that. You would say "frightened" if you're scared and "frightening" if you are the scary one. For her to say she said "frightening" sounds like she's just pissing in our pockets because she doesn't want to admit she first claimed to have fought with the guy. But if she really says "frightened" then it's used correctly and might be true. Therefore, it makes a big difference



That's true but listen to the word and see if you can hear the "ed" sound or the "ing" sound.

I don't hear "ed"

[accordn2me]

Ooooo, this is so good, Dani_T. I just thought I did a lot of work on the 911 tape. You did some work! I'm impressed. I wish I had the sound technology - or the knowledge of how to operate it so I could listen to the "loop" that you and VB mention. I downloaded an mp3 file. Do I need the wave file? If you have time to give me a little lesson, I would be thankful.

Time is a problem! I've had company for 4 days. Found termites :eek: in my house. Have a major drainage problem to deal with, a tree that needs to be cut down, and school is starting August 11, and today is my first day of jury duty. Pray for me!

I have some questions for you. (If you believe you can hear Darin coming downstairs during the call) What time do you hear Darin coming down the stairs?

Do you think this was his first trip down? If not, what is your opinion on why he went back upstairs?

P.S. Seller refunded my money for MTJD.:(

[cami]

I was listening to the tape last night and for the 1st time heard clear as a bell the "Damon, Damon, Damon". I nearly threw up and just turned it off and got in bed. It sounds like when you are at the grocery store and your child is acting up, you know you do that thing under your breath. "get over here before I snatch you bald-headed" Mama used to say that to us in church. She may be calling for Darin so could stop Damon from crawling too far out the family room It reminded me of that sort of thing, but it's pure evil. Do you realize that we might actually be hearing that boy being killed?

Me too Beesy. That is the most disturbing part of the call as far as I am concerned and very incriminating and pure evil. I agree we might just be hearing Damon being killed. I can't get over her voice on the Damon, Damon, Damon. It's kept me awake nights.

[beesy]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]It's the only part I currently have as a separate wav file but if you want a specific part let me know (using the time references) and I will try and get it for you. You will need software which can loop it for you or else you can just keep hitting the play button repeatedly.
Well if you wouldn't mind maybe looping the "Damon, Damon, Damon", I'd appreciate it. The mother in me gets ill just thinking about it, but the journalist in me is facinated by it.


Yes, I think it is pretty commonly accepted that she cut the screens before the murder. She would have left blood everywhere if she had done it afterwards.

Oh, dorky bees again.

I still think though that the possibility of Darin being in anyway involved in the commission of the crime is just too remote. Two sociopaths in one house? I don't think so.
I know, but he might not actually be a sociopath. There are tons of personality disorders he could have. Has she ever been diagnosed with anything? And no matter which way you look at it, Darin never shows any guilt over the boys dying. Not just parents, but most people, feel somewhat to blame no matter how their loved one dies. Suppose I hadn't done this, suppose I'd said no, you can't play outside, on and on..have you ever heard either of them say anything like that? Have they ever hired anyone to hunt for the killer/s? Private dicks(hee) are available everywhere. Remember w/in 1 month of the murders, he and Darlie's family were looking for book and movie deals. He is just not "right in the head", be it sociopath or some more difficult to diagnose personality disorder.

[Dani_T]

I really do think it is "make it" not "blake" at all but I can't do that loop thing that Dani can so I will concede to her, LOL. I do hear "all that blood" or something to that effect.

If you want I can email you the wav files (one is slowed down) of that section. You can just keep hitting the play button or find free download software to loop them. I am on a mac so used a program I downloaded for free called 'audacity'

[Dani_T]

Ooooo, this is so good, Dani_T. I just thought I did a lot of work on the 911 tape. You did some work! I'm impressed. I wish I had the sound technology - or the knowledge of how to operate it so I could listen to the "loop" that you and VB mention. I downloaded an mp3 file. Do I need the wave file? If you have time to give me a little lesson, I would be thankful.

I downloaded the the mp3 file and a fgree program called 'audacity' (not sure if it works on PCs) and then converted to a wav file and then basically cut up the section I wanted to listen to. And then I can use a feature on the program called 'loop' where it just plays that section over and over again. I can email you the wav file of the section I am talking about if you want. Just PM me your address.


I have some questions for you. (If you believe you can hear Darin coming downstairs during the call) What time do you hear Darin coming down the stairs?

I don't hear Darin coming downstairs during the call- although I haven't really listened hard for it. from memory the testimony was that she didn't call until he was down there?

Do you think this was his first trip down? If not, what is your opinion on why he went back upstairs?

Let me think about this and get back to you

P.S. Seller refunded my money for MTJD.:(

No fair! What happened? Didn't he have the goods after all??

[Dani_T]

[QUOTE]
Well if you wouldn't mind maybe looping the "Damon, Damon, Damon", I'd appreciate it. The mother in me gets ill just thinking about it, but the journalist in me is facinated by it.

I'll try and do it this afternoon. I can't loop it for you- you'll need to do that on your end but I can cut up the splice... as long as I am not breaking any copyright laws on this. Does anybody know?


[quote]
I know, but he might not actually be a sociopath. There are tons of personality disorders he could have. Has she ever been diagnosed with anything? And no matter which way you look at it, Darin never shows any guilt over the boys dying. Not just parents, but most people, feel somewhat to blame no matter how their loved one dies. Suppose I hadn't done this, suppose I'd said no, you can't play outside, on and on..have you ever heard either of them say anything like that? Have they ever hired anyone to hunt for the killer/s? Private dicks(hee) are available everywhere. Remember w/in 1 month of the murders, he and Darlie's family were looking for book and movie deals. He is just not "right in the head", be it sociopath or some more difficult to diagnose personality disorder.

Gotta run to class- will reply more later.

BTW- Beesy I tried emailing you the other wav files and it came back saying there was no such user with yahoo. Can you check the email address you sent me?

Ta

[Jeana (DP)]

Dani,

The 911 tape is "public information." You can email it without fear of being in violation of copyright as long as you're not trying to profit off of it.

[beesy]

That's true but listen to the word and see if you can hear the "ed" sound or the "ing" sound.

I don't hear "ed" Oh, I was saying I don't think she says "frightening" or "frightened". I was pointing out the fact that the word isn't even used like that. That IF she said anything about being frightened, saying "frightening" is the wrong way to use it. Is that what you're saying? :waitasec:
I thought you felt like she was saying "fightin". That's what I think.

[beesy]

[QUOTE=Dani_T]
"They can't make it if they don't get here" is way too long (at least 2 syllables too long) for what he says. Have you tried actually looping just that second and a half? It sounds really clear to me. I have a wav file splice of it if anyone wants me to email it to them (as well as one which is slowed down a bit so you can hear better). Just PM me your email address and I will email it.
If Darin is saying something like "he ain't gonna make it if they don't get here" or "he's not gonna make it if they don't get here" is that taking off the extra syllables you were talking about? I know in the South, we say "gonna" and I've noticed Darin doesn't have the best grammar skills. He says "me and Darlie..." all the time. I feel sure he'd say "gonna" if that is what he's saying.

[Dani_T]

Dani,

The 911 tape is "public information." You can email it without fear of being in violation of copyright as long as you're not trying to profit off of it.

Thanks DP :)

[Dani_T]

[QUOTE] If Darin is saying something like "he ain't gonna make it if they don't get here" or "he's not gonna make it if they don't get here" is that taking off the extra syllables you were talking about? I know in the South, we say "gonna" and I've noticed Darin doesn't have the best grammar skills. He says "me and Darlie..." all the time. I feel sure he'd say "gonna" if that is what he's saying.

It's not simply the syllables. It just sounds nothing like that. You can hear the 'Oh my God' very clearly and then a 'bl' word and then 'kiminhere'. There is also a pause between the 'oh my god' and the second clause. I'm confident that you will hear it when you listen to the wav file.

[Goody]

It's not simply the syllables. It just sounds nothing like that. You can hear the 'Oh my God' very clearly and then a 'bl' word and then 'kiminhere'. There is also a pause between the 'oh my god' and the second clause. I'm confident that you will hear it when you listen to the wav file.
Boy, you guys are talking over my head. What are these loops and wav files? Are you guys slowing down the recording somehow?

[beesy]

Boy, you guys are talking over my head. What are these loops and wav files? Are you guys slowing down the recording somehow? Old people :rolleyes:....
Just teasing, I only know that looping means as soon as a file is finished playing, it will automatically just play right over again. No buttons to push, just goes til you tell it to shut up. As for the rest I don't know what the hey they're talking about either. Once Dani sends it to me I'll know, but now? Nope

[beesy]

[QUOTE=accordn2me]Ooooo, this is so good, Dani_T. I just thought I did a lot of work on the 911 tape. You did some work! I'm impressed. I wish I had the sound technology - or the knowledge of how to operate it so I could listen to the "loop" that you and VB mention. I downloaded an mp3 file. Do I need the wave file? If you have time to give me a little lesson, I would be thankful.

Time is a problem! I've had company for 4 days. Found termites :eek: in my house. Have a major drainage problem to deal with, a tree that needs to be cut down, and school is starting August 11, and today is my first day of jury duty. Pray for me!

Wow, busy gal there. Jury duty? Interesting case? I've never been called, but I bet if I am, I'll get a boring one. So you listened to what Dani sent you...what did you hear?

[Goody]

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My instincts just tell me that they probably discussed it. I don't know how seriously, but some of his actions that night tell me that if he was not a part of it, he figured out what had gone down pretty quick and was scared.

DANI: If they discussed it and Darin went with it you are basically talking about two sociopaths. What are the chances that both of them were sociopaths? I jiust find it too hard to believe that they BOTH could have been OK with this.

I don't agree that they have to be sociopaths. I don't even think Darlie is one. Maybe a psych evaluation would say otherwise, but I haven't seen or heard anything at all that makes me think she had a personality disorder.

On the other hand, sociopaths do have a way of finding each other. Look at Karla and Paul in Canada, the Manson Family, and the many couples we have had on crime waves across the country. They are not all publicized, but there are any number of books written about them if one really wanted to search them out.


DANI: But you are assuming he figured it out quickly. Why? What makes you say that? Putting aside his later contradictions at trial, what did he do that night that makes you sure that he suddenly realised it was Darlie?

Little things. He didn't go near Damon, for one thing. I think he would have known in seconds that it was too late for Devon, and the instinct then should have been to see about Damon, who was obviously still alive. He goes to Karen's after she is not needed. Once paramedics arrived, you'd think he would be hanging around to see how his family is doing, not rushing out the door to get friends. He sits on the curbing instead of rushing to the hospital, and sits there for 20 or 30 minutes all the while he has no idea (supposedly) whether Darlie will make it or not. I think he was scared to death they'd be found out.
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Going after Karen gave him an excuse to get out of the house and away from it, a break so to speak. Hardly the actions of a concerned father. More like the actions of a guilty one if only in those planning stages when he might not have thought they would ever really do it.

DANI: I actually see them as the actions of a desperate man- he knew his neighbour across the street was a nurse. He had been trying CPR and Devon was dead. My reaction would be to get someone who knew what the hell to do.. just like he was screaming for Darlie to just get somebody. Even after the paramedics arrived I think I would still want someone I knew and trusted there. I just don't see why going to Karen should be suspicious.

Because he left his dying children, if you believe him, to go after a nurse who was not needed. By the time they got across the street, Damon's ambulance had left and Darlie's was about to be put in an ambulance to leave. The only reason Karen was ever allowed in the house was to get the dog off the stairway so police wouldn't have to deal with him. She never participated in any first aid efforts. In fact, when they let her into the house, there was no one left there to give first aid to.

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Now if Darin is involved in the planning but not the execution, he's got good reason to be afraid of what Darlie could tell on him. She could probably pull him down with her. And she may before it is over. </FONT>

DANI: What makes you think Darin is afraid of Darlie?

He isn't out there dating openly. It has been almost ten years. What guy is going to stay blindly loyal to someone on death row if he has nothing to hide? We all know he lied to cover up for her, at the very least, and he hasn't even come clean about that. This same guy who is said to have snorted up all the cocaine she bought him for his birthday before she could get any. He wasn't Wally Cleaver all grown up. And he sure isn't another Rusty Yates. And he darned sure isn't another David Smith, who hates his ex-wife for what she did to his boys. Even my son says it isn't loyalty that keeps Darin's lips sealed; it's Darlie.

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Now you get to the part where he starts defending her.....at the hospital he is already telling the police that he can see why someone would attack her, its her beauty, her big knockers, etc. How does he have his thoughts together so soon?

DANI: See I don't see that as thoughts together. I see it as a man who is obviously besotted with his wife's looks and who is trying to work out why someone would do this. I think it is a pretty stupid thing to say really and if he really wanted to defend her all he needed to say was they broke in for money etc, she got in the way and scared them off. Just because he is defvending her does not mean that he thinks she is guilty.

[color=seagreen]I see it as a guy who is trying to come up with what he thinks is a logical explanation to take the heat off of him and his wife. Most men would not even be able to think about who or why. They'd be too distraught. But just like Darlie is accounting for why her fingerprints are on the murder weapon before anyone can ask, Darin is explaining why this could happen them before the police can ask why.

Plus Darin never shows any sign of the various stages of grief. If you listen to him, he and Darlie only went through one....acceptance. They skipped over the denial and the anger. There are actually 5 stages. I have forgotten what all of them are, but acceptance is last, denial is first and anger is somewhere in between. Different people go thru those stages differently, but they don't skip any of them.



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One of the cops who didn't testify said it started not at the hospital but at the scene when Darin made an inappropriate joke about the intruder having to get past her boobs to cut her throat. Why on earth would he think of that?

DANI: Sorry but I only see that as pure speculation. Same level as Waddell throwing up on the scene.

No, it isn't. The cop was Nabors, I think, and he was a supervisor at the scene, and I saw him open his mouth and say it in an interview. No hearsay, no rumor. It was one of those details that don't always come out at trials.

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But back to assuming he doesn't participate in the murders......We can have him turning, but there could be room for him to do it in an hour or so rather than 5 or 10 minutes. Devon is killed. He finds out about it, maybe interrupts the process, and they fight, then talk, then start the cover up. Damon, of course, would be part of the cover up. Point out the weak spots if you will. I am mostly just thinking out loud. </FONT>

DANI: Your assumption is he knew she was guilty either at the scene or immediately after it. I don't see how you can make that assumption. To put two cold blooded killers in that house with neither of them seeing much wrong with even just contemplating the murder of their kids is just too far fetched. I just don't see how they could BOTH be willing to contemplate the idea, discuss it, even disagree over it. If Darin came downstairs and found that horror scene I think believing his wife did it would be as far from his mind as anything. I don't think he believed for a long time... years later.. if perhaps at all. I think he was trying to cover for her by his contradictions because he honestly believed (at least on a conscious level) she was wrongly accused. To admit to yourself that your wife was a child killer.... that you had lived with her all that time... that you had left your kids in her care... that's a massive thing to bring yourself to believe in any small amount of time.

[color=seagreen]I agree, but I have a whole long list of things they do that don't fit into what the average parents might do in a similar situation. Why do some parents chain one kid up and starve him while the other kids flourish? There are two of them doing that. Why do some parents torture the three year old until she dies? There are two of them doing that.
I know it seems out there, but we are living in some crazy times. To some people, material things mean everything. Debra Milke had her roommate and his friend take her five year old out to the desert and shoot him in the back of the head. She told the boy he was going to see Santa at the mall. Why? Because the kid was a financial burden and he cramped her style. She didn't want the responsibility anymore.
There were three of them in that deal. Not all parents, but the roommate was living with the kid and they both knew the boy well. Didn't stop them from doing it for a little bit of promised insurance money.

I think when Darlie realizes that there is no appeal that is going to save her, she will turn on Darin and tell what his part in this is. I don't think she will lie about it. I think she will tell the truth. And I think she will say that he was more involved than most people think and maybe not as involved as I sometimes suspect.

And the one thing that haunts me about Darin are his words in court when describing the life he felt he and Darlie deserved, to make enough money to go on trips and not just anywhere but to the places they wanted to go. It was like he was justifying something in his own mind. If this case had not had such huge issues about the trips they wanted to go on that they couldn't afford, it might not resonate the way it does. I just keep thinking what an odd way to describe your goals in life.

[Goody]

Old people :rolleyes:....
Just teasing, I only know that looping means as soon as a file is finished playing, it will automatically just play right over again. No buttons to push, just goes til you tell it to shut up. As for the rest I don't know what the hey they're talking about either. Once Dani sends it to me I'll know, but now? Nope
I actually figured out the loop thing as I went thru the posts. hahahahahah! But I don't know about the other. I would love to have a slowed down version of the 911 call. So if you have one, Dani, feel free to email it to me, too.

[Goody]

Goody: "Now maybe she didn't plan it well, but she planned it in her Darlie diva way and put those wheels in motion. We don't know if Darin knew it or not, but I bet he knew something of it. My instincts just tell me that they probably discussed it"

That would make both of them sociopaths who planned the cold-blooded murders of their own sons. I don't see it, Goody, I really don't. In fact, I've never heard of a case where both parents decided to kill their kids for a book or movie deal.

True enough. That would be something new alright. However, there have been parents who have killed their children, usually through some form of child abuse though. The human mind can be pretty depraved.


"Going after Karen gave him an excuse to get out of the house and away from it, a break so to speak. Hardly the actions of a concerned father."

I see it differently. It only took about 2 minutes for Darin to get the Neals and return to the house. When the PO refused them entrance, Darin and Terry both yelled, "She's a nurse!" That doesn't sound like a father who's trying to hide anything; it sounds like a father who's desperately trying to get help for his sons.

Why would they yell, "she is a nurse" when both Darlie and Damon were already out of the house by the time the Neals arrived at the house? Karen was only allowed in the house to get Domain off of the staircase. By her own testimony she was only there for about 30 seconds. She never set foot in the family room or the kitchen, was only in the foyer and on the stairway.

"Now if Darin is involved in the planning but not the execution, he's got good reason to be afraid of what Darlie could tell on him. She could probably pull him down with her. And she may before it is over."

I don't think he has anything to fear at this point. Darlie can't pull him down without incriminating herself, and she'd be a fool to do that. It would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Implicating Darin, in any way, shape, or form, simply puts another nail in her coffin.
O, Darlie won't talk until all hope is gone. Then I think she will tell what his part was because she is going to realize that she has been left holding the bag. By then, she won't care if she incriminates herself. I could be wrong about his participation and I am trying to take that into consideration. It is just so darned hard to explain so many things about Darin, no matter which way you look at it. He just doesn't appear to be "innocent."

[Dani_T]

Boy, you guys are talking over my head. What are these loops and wav files? Are you guys slowing down the recording somehow?

Hey Goody,

I downloaded the 911 call and opened it in my sound program. From there I isolated a couple of seconds and saved it as a separate file. My program allows me to press a button to play those few seconds repeatedly (looping).

And yes, I did slow down that part of the recording as well. I have emailed both the normal speed and the slowed speed of the 'blake kiminhere' part to Beesy. I can email to you as well so you can listen. Just PM my your address

[Dani_T]

I don't agree that they have to be sociopaths. I don't even think Darlie is one. Maybe a psych evaluation would say otherwise, but I haven't seen or heard anything at all that makes me think she had a personality disorder. [/b][/color]

Well that makes it even harder to imagine really. What is the likelyhood of having two individuals marrying, neither with personality disorders, who would quite happily discuss and carry out the murder of their children and then cover for each other?

Little things. He didn't go near Damon, for one thing. I think he would have known in seconds that it was too late for Devon, and the instinct then should have been to see about Damon, who was obviously still alive.

He said he did not see Damon when he came down. The first person he saw was Devon and he thought it was just Devon who had been hurt. Even if he is trying to revive Devon and realises Damon is hurt- he is not alone there. He is yelling at Darlie to help. I don't think any parent in those circumstances can just decide it is too late to save one of their children and give up doing CPR. He also does say he checked on Damon but again his changing stories makes it hard to know what he did and did not do.

He goes to Karen's after she is not needed. Once paramedics arrived, you'd think he would be hanging around to see how his family is doing, not rushing out the door to get friends.

He rushed out of the house to get his friend the nurse. There were two paramedics there and he has two dying/dead boys on his hands and a bleeding an 'hysterical' wife. If I was involved in any scene like that (accident or otherwise) and I knew there was another trained professional right next door I'd be getting them regardless of if the paramedics were there or not. If Devon had not been triaged black then they would have been one medic down. As it was Koschak had to prioritise Darlie over trying to revive Devon.

He sits on the curbing instead of rushing to the hospital, and sits there for 20 or 30 minutes all the while he has no idea (supposedly) whether Darlie will make it or not. I think he was scared to death they'd be found out. [/color][/b]

Wasn't he waiting for Terry?

Because he left his dying children, if you believe him, to go after a nurse who was not needed. By the time they got across the street, Damon's ambulance had left and Darlie's was about to be put in an ambulance to leave. The only reason Karen was ever allowed in the house was to get the dog off the stairway so police wouldn't have to deal with him. She never participated in any first aid efforts. In fact, when they let her into the house, there was no one left there to give first aid to.
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I honestly think you are looking at his actions very critically. If you were him, had three members of your family who needed urgent attention and only two paramedics would you honestly think your nurse neighbour was not needed?

I don't think Damon's ambulance had left. I think they triaged him for some time in the abulance before leaving and Darlie had only just arrived out on the front porch. Koschak spent only a very short period of time (probably no more than a minute, max two) triaging Devon before moving to Darlie and he moved Darlie out of the house straight away. That means that Darin had to have left the house pretty soon after the paramedics arrived (probably only a minute or so later). There was clearly still a need for medical help. And don't forget that he had been trying to go and get Karen earlier as well when Waddell arrived- so he was in that same frame of mind. He wanted as many trained people there helping his family as possible.

And Karen wasn't simply let in to get the dog. They let her in because she was a nurse:

23 A. We ran directly across the street and
24 we were stopped by a policeman. The policeman said,
25 "Wait a minute. You can't go any further."
1 And my husband and Darin both shouted,
2 "She's a nurse."
3 And I said, "Yes, I need to get
4 through."
5 And he said, "Okay. You may go
6 through, just one of you."
7 And I went directly to Darlie who
8 was -- the two paramedics were placing her -- setting her
9 down in the doorway.
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/volumes/vol-41.php#KarenNeal


He isn't out there dating openly. It has been almost ten years. What guy is going to stay blindly loyal to someone on death row if he has nothing to hide?

No, he isn't dating in the public eye. For all we know he could be seeing someone else. He has been very quiet for years. Just because we don't know about it doesn't mean it is happening. And after that kind of tragedy not everyone is necessarily going to want to be in another relationship. Sure, a lot of people do. But it doesn't necessarily follow that because we haven't heard that he has shacked up with someone that he is terrified of Darlie.

We all know he lied to cover up for her, at the very least, and he hasn't even come clean about that.

Yeah he lied to cover up for her- but again just because he hasn't made a media release about covering for her doesn't mean he still is or will. for all we know he might be more than ready to roll on her should the DA approach him about it.

And he darned sure isn't another David Smith, who hates his ex-wife for what she did to his boys.

You simply can't know that Goody. If he actually believed her innocent for all those years (and who knows- maybe he still does... he had good reason NOT to believe she was guilty) then he had no reason to hate her. We haven't heard from him in years. He wasn't at the big rally last year. He hasn't made any public declarations of support. Perhaps he has in recent years come to the realisation she is guilty (maybe after she sicked Pardo on him and after her little comments casting doubt on his involvement). The DA may have him firmly in hand ready to whip him out should they need to. He also has the small matter of perjury to contend with should he backtrack.

Plus Darin never shows any sign of the various stages of grief. If you listen to him, he and Darlie only went through one....acceptance. They skipped over the denial and the anger. There are actually 5 stages.

Again- how do you know this? You are presuming it from a two second grab of an interview after the silly string party where he basically says nothing anyway and what else? How do you know he wasn't angry? In denial? We DO know he was on anti-depressants. But we can't presume to know his emotional state during the weeks, months and years after it based on a couple of short interviews.

No, it isn't. The cop was Nabors, I think, and he was a supervisor at the scene, and I saw him open his mouth and say it in an interview. No hearsay, no rumor. It was one of those details that don't always come out at trials.

I like Nabors but I would want to hear it from the horses mouth. From the beginning of this case I personally have tried to only deal in the recorded testimony and evidence. And again, in any case, people do say strange things when they are in shock.

[cami]

If you want I can email you the wav files (one is slowed down) of that section. You can just keep hitting the play button or find free download software to loop them. I am on a mac so used a program I downloaded for free called 'audacity'


okay that would be great. I'll pm you with my addy. I did use the mp3 player on line to buffer it so that some of the static was lost and you could pause and replay so that's how I heard what I did.

[cami]

[QUOTE] If Darin is saying something like "he ain't gonna make it if they don't get here" or "he's not gonna make it if they don't get here" is that taking off the extra syllables you were talking about? I know in the South, we say "gonna" and I've noticed Darin doesn't have the best grammar skills. He says "me and Darlie..." all the time. I feel sure he'd say "gonna" if that is what he's saying.


Re: Dani's post, not yours Beesy.

It's not too long if you believe he is saying two things back to back. He's says "get somebody" a few times. He could be saying "he can't make it" then "get somebody" again and it just sounds as if it's running together. I believe he does definitely say "make it". I hear "he can't make it" then his voice fades and then "get somebody here" Maybe he says "getkarenhere"

[cami]

Oh, I was saying I don't think she says "frightening" or "frightened". I was pointing out the fact that the word isn't even used like that. That IF she said anything about being frightened, saying "frightening" is the wrong way to use it. Is that what you're saying? :waitasec:
I thought you felt like she was saying "fightin". That's what I think.

Yes I do believe she is saying "fighting him" but it comes out "fightin im" with her accent. What I meant was if you think, not you in particular but everyone, that she is saying "I woke up, I was frightened" I don't hear an "ed" sound so I don't think she says "frightened" and certainly "frightening" is the wrong context. But of course as I've said before, I look pretty "frightening" when I first wake up, LOL. I don't believe Darlie ever went to sleep that night.

[cami]

okay that would be great. I'll pm you with my addy. I did use the mp3 player on line to buffer it so that some of the static was lost and you could pause and replay so that's how I heard what I did.

Okay thanks Dani. I tried the slow down wavfile and it does sound like Darin is saying "get Blake, get in here." Still quite a bit fuzzy but it does sound like it. So, now who's Blake?

[Jeana (DP)]

Okay thanks Dani. I tried the slow down wavfile and it does sound like Darin is saying "get Blake, get in here." Still quite a bit fuzzy but it does sound like it. So, now who's Blake?


Maybe it says "Drake"????

[Dani_T]

Maybe it says "Drake"????

I wondered that and tried to make it fit but the 'bl' sound is just too promiment. I wondered whether he was saying "Oh my God- Drake! Get in here" to Darlie so she could take over from him and he could check on Drake - but the sound of the 'bl' just doesn't work.

The only other thing I can think of is that he was going to say something starting with 'bl' and then changed his mind and just said 'get in here'- but again the pace of his voice in that part doesn't really suggest that either.

I'm stumped.

[HeartofTexas]

Here's a real shot in the dark... could it be, "quit playing and get in here"? the "pl" sound and "bl" sound, if muffled, could sound similar.

[HeartofTexas]

One more... could it be, "quit bellyaching and get in here"? the "belly" could have a "bl" sound and the "aching" has the long "a" sound (as in ake), especially if you consider the Texas drawl that elongates some syllables.

[beesy]

I wondered that and tried to make it fit but the 'bl' sound is just too promiment. I wondered whether he was saying "Oh my God- Drake! Get in here" to Darlie so she could take over from him and he could check on Drake - but the sound of the 'bl' just doesn't work.

I agree it's not Drake either. I am more confused about it now...thanks guys.:crazy: .I clearly hear "cominhere" I don't hear blake kim..though. I hear come pronounced correctly, but it ends up sounding like "cominhere" If he is telling Darlie to "cominhere" that could boost my theory that he's helping with a coverup. Like he needs to ask her a question or show her something. I've recruited some family and friends to listen also.
Dani..do you think you can slow down the Damon Damon Damon part for me? My husband thinks we have a program that does that, but by the time I can coax him into doing it, Darlie will be dead.
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The only other thing I can think of is that he was going to say something starting with 'bl' and then changed his mind and just said 'get in here'- but again the pace of his voice in that part doesn't really suggest that either.
I'm leaning towards that. Is he saying "Babe, comeinhere?" stumbling over the B? Babe makes sense, but will it pass the test?

[HeartofTexas]

I realize by now that I'm actually talking to myself but could it be, "get a blanket and come in here?"

[sue1017]

HeartofTexas that would be Michael Jackson's House, right?


LOL

[Goody]

Re: Dani's post, not yours Beesy.

It's not too long if you believe he is saying two things back to back. He's says "get somebody" a few times. He could be saying "he can't make it" then "get somebody" again and it just sounds as if it's running together. I believe he does definitely say "make it". I hear "he can't make it" then his voice fades and then "get somebody here" Maybe he says "getkarenhere"
At one point, Darin does say "he's not gonna make it". I can hear that without any fancy analysis.

[beesy]

At one point, Darin does say "he's not gonna make it". I can hear that without any fancy analysis. Funny I keep going back and forth. I've been listening and listening and I still hear "hes not gonna make it" then maybe "comeinhere" Would different equipment make it sound different? What Dani sent me didn't sound too different than what I heard before. So maybe its "hes not gonna make it, comeinhere" I originally thought it was "he's not gonna make it if they don't get here". To my ears that first part has more words in in it than a "blake" sound.

[Dani_T]

I agree it's not Drake either. I am more confused about it now...thanks guys. .I clearly hear "cominhere" I don't hear blake kim..though. I hear come pronounced correctly, but it ends up sounding like "cominhere"

I don't hear 'blake kim'... I hear 'blake' and then 'kiminhere' (which is with my aussie accent may be a little less clear to me than your 'cominhere' but it is still clearly 'come in here'.

Do you hear the 'Oh My God' clearly at the beginning?

If he is telling Darlie to "cominhere" that could boost my theory that he's helping with a coverup. Like he needs to ask her a question or show her something. I've recruited some family and friends to listen also.
I think that is stretching it a lot. He is obviously frantic. You can hear it in his voice. Seems clear to me the reason he wants Darlie to get in there is to help (especially when not long before he has been yelling at her to 'just get somebody').

Dani..do you think you can slow down the Damon Damon Damon part for me? My husband thinks we have a program that does that, but by the time I can coax him into doing it, Darlie will be dead.

I'll try and get to it- I'm just very busy at the moment (and regretting that I let my language studies slide during my holidays since I barely managed to translate two words in class today!) and juggling about ten balls in the air. When I get a chance to breath I do it for you. Otherwise try searching on google for free downloadable sound editors and have a go yourself (I just taught myself the basics of the program I downloaded).


I'm leaning towards that. Is he saying "Babe, comeinhere?" stumbling over the B? Babe makes sense, but will it pass the test?

I wondered that as well but it seems a very odd time to be calling your wife 'Babe' and I do hear the 'l' sound in the word.

Unless it is "Oh My God... Blood! Come in here!"

Hmmm- maybe it is when he is giving CPR and the blood is blowing out of Devon's chest??

[Dani_T]

I realize by now that I'm actually talking to myself but could it be, "get a blanket and come in here?"

Hey :)

No- it's not as structured as that and the 'bl' word is much shorter. I can email you the sound clips if you want so you can listen yourself. Just PM me your email address if you would like them.

[Dani_T]

At one point, Darin does say "he's not gonna make it". I can hear that without any fancy analysis.

Do you know what point Goody? Time stamp?

[Mary456]

Yes I do believe she is saying "fighting him" but it comes out "fightin im" with her accent. What I meant was if you think, not you in particular but everyone, that she is saying "I woke up, I was frightened" I don't hear an "ed" sound so I don't think she says "frightened" and certainly "frightening" is the wrong context. But of course as I've said before, I look pretty "frightening" when I first wake up, LOL. I don't believe Darlie ever went to sleep that night.

Yep, Cami, that word definitely ends in "ing" and that's why Darlie and her dream team had to come up with a word that ended in "ing"...voila! "Frightening".

As ridiculous as it sounds, they had no choice. None of the evidence supported fighting an intruder, plus she later said she couldn't remember a fight or a struggle, directly contradicting what she told everyone immediately after the murders.

Even if they could have gotten away with "frightened", how many mothers would use such a pansy word while they're watching their two sons bleed to death? How about "I was scared!" or "I was scared to death!" or "I was scared sh##less"!? Much more appropriate words under the circumstances, lol!

I agree, she never went to sleep that night. If she did, she forgot to take off her mascara, because Wielgosz said she had racing stripes down her cheeks.

[Goody]

Well that makes it even harder to imagine really. What is the likelyhood of having two individuals marrying, neither with personality disorders, who would quite happily discuss and carry out the murder of their children and then cover for each other? .
How likely would it be that aspiring entertainers would move to Nashville, New York, or Los Angeles and supplement their incomes via robbery and murder as they try to make it in the music business? A decade ago I would have scoffes at such an idea. I am telling you that we live in violent times. People sell each other out for much less than most of us would guess. Plus when you start mixing "living large" and drugs like cocaine, I think people's values become very distorted, esp when they feel desperate to hold onto what they have. How does a school teacher bring conversation around to murder when trying to manipulate her students into doing the killing? How does anyone who isn't a thug do some of the horrible things they do?

Maybe I should look up more info on personality disorders, but I don't think there is much advantage in assuming they would have to have personality disorders to commit such a crime. I think in the absence of an obvious motive, we should look at various possibilites if for no other reason than to see how it might fit into the evidence we have. I mean,there has to be a motive,whether it is known or not. If we knew the motive, the events of that night would probably make more sense, even if the motive doesn't justify murder. (Most motives don't).

My point is, I guess, it is not so much that think they did do this as I think it is a possibility. Don't worry. I have a Darin is innocent theory, too, but it doesn't explain any of the things he did in the days following murders, which leave me scratching my head in confusion, and I have a Darlie just lost it theory, but that leaves great big blacked out spaces and more questions about how Darin could turn on that dime.

Bottom line, as it pretains to this discussion now, I can ALMOST see them stepping across the line and discussing at the very least what life would be like without the two boys, that they made a mistake having such a large family, that they deserve more in life than what most people end up with....dead end jobs living from paycheck to paycheck, giving up all their dreams so they could support a bunch a kids......something I can't imagine them ever settling for, not even if life dished out a no choice trap for them. On top of that you have two people who seem to place most of their value on superficial things and so little on the important things in life like family, love, etc. I do think that was a driving force for them in what happened. I am just know sure about the details involved.

He said he did not see Damon when he came down. The first person he saw was Devon and he thought it was just Devon who had been hurt. Even if he is trying to revive Devon and realises Damon is hurt- he is not alone there. He is yelling at Darlie to help. I don't think any parent in those circumstances can just decide it is too late to save one of their children and give up doing CPR. He also does say he checked on Damon but again his changing stories makes it hard to know what he did and did not do..
Exactly. So why don't you look at it as if he said nothing at all about what he was thinking and just weigh his actions and what you can hear on the 911 tape?



Wasn't he waiting for Terry?. So where was Terry and why was he gone for 30 minutes?


GOODY: Because he left his dying children, if you believe him, to go after a nurse who was not needed. By the time they got across the street, Damon's ambulance had left and Darlie's was about to be put in an ambulance to leave. The only reason Karen was ever allowed in the house was to get the dog off the stairway so police wouldn't have to deal with him. She never participated in any first aid efforts. In fact, when they let her into the house, there was no one left there to give first aid to.

DANI: I honestly think you are looking at his actions very critically. If you were him, had three members of your family who needed urgent attention and only two paramedics would you honestly think your nurse neighbour was not needed?.[/QUOTE]
There were two ambulances and two two member teams of paramedics. They just couldn't fit all of them into the family room where the bodies were because of the condensed area and the policemen who were already inside. Darin had to step out of the area to let the paramedic in to see about Devon because there was not room for both of them there.

I don't think Damon's ambulance had left. I think they triaged him for some time in the abulance before leaving and Darlie had only just arrived out on the front porch. Koschak spent only a very short period of time (probably no more than a minute, max two) triaging Devon before moving to Darlie and he moved Darlie out of the house straight away. That means that Darin had to have left the house pretty soon after the paramedics arrived (probably only a minute or so later). There was clearly still a need for medical help. And don't forget that he had been trying to go and get Karen earlier as well when Waddell arrived- so he was in that same frame of mind. He wanted as many trained people there helping his family as possible..
I believe the testimony was that Damon ambulance pulled away as they arrived at the porch or shortly after their arrival. Darlie was bandaged quickly and placed on the ambulance, which left pretty quickly.



And Karen wasn't simply let in to get the dog. They let her in because she was a nurse:.
Your quote is Karen's testimony, I think. Not the most credible of all those who testified if you ask me. And the section they were discussing was only to let her gain access to the porch. All she did was stand there and watch the paramedic bandage Darlie's neck wound. She was not allowed into the house until the police asked her to get the dog.


No, he isn't dating in the public eye. For all we know he could be seeing someone else. He has been very quiet for years. Just because we don't know about it doesn't mean it is happening. And after that kind of tragedy not everyone is necessarily going to want to be in another relationship. Sure, a lot of people do. But it doesn't necessarily follow that because we haven't heard that he has shacked up with someone that he is terrified of Darlie..
I didn't say he was terrified of Darlie. I only said that he wouldn't want to rock the boat if she could tell anything that would get him thrown into prison with her. The longer her can placate her, the better for him. Unless, of course, there is nothing she could tell about his part in the crime. In that case, he should feel pretty free to go on with his life. He just hasn't done it for some reason. If he were dating, I think we would hear about it. Texas media would be interested in that story even if the national media was not,
Yeah he lied to cover up for her- but again just because he hasn't made a media release about covering for her doesn't mean he still is or will. for all we know he might be more than ready to roll on her should the DA approach him about it..
I agree, and we may very well see that. They seem to be circling their designated positions in preparation for battle, but that may be just my take on what little I have heard the two of them say recently. Darin, in particular, seems to be more cautious in recent years. I sure would like to know what Darlie meant when she said she wasn't sure of him anymore.



You simply can't know that Goody. If he actually believed her innocent for all those years (and who knows- maybe he still does... he had good reason NOT to believe she was guilty) then he had no reason to hate her. We haven't heard from him in years. He wasn't at the big rally last year. He hasn't made any public declarations of support. Perhaps he has in recent years come to the realisation she is guilty (maybe after she sicked Pardo on him and after her little comments casting doubt on his involvement). The DA may have him firmly in hand ready to whip him out should they need to. He also has the small matter of perjury to contend with should he backtrack..
Are you forgetting he has signed an affidavit for her appeals? He implicated himself, although vaguely, in both of those statements. That is hardly a pro-prosecution stance. I doubt very seriously if Darin has any private deals going with the state. He actually does hate them...or maybe strongly dislikes is a better term. And I can tell that he has not demonstrated any of the symptoms for the stages of grief. The most I can say for Darin is that in the days immediately following the crime, he had moments where he stared off in space as he spoke. If either of them regretted the crime, my money would be on him. Darlie stared off in space a little, too, but not like Darin. I felt that he really did feel regret during some of those interviews. But I didn't see denial, anger, etc at any time, and I have never heard anyone who knew him ever describe those symptoms either. So there is no evidence at all that he experienced them.


Again- how do you know this? You are presuming it from a two second grab of an interview after the silly string party where he basically says nothing anyway and what else? How do you know he wasn't angry? In denial? We DO know he was on anti-depressants. But we can't presume to know his emotional state during the weeks, months and years after it based on a couple of short interviews. .
They give everyone anti-depressants after a crime like that, and only those suspected of involvement say we shouldn't judge them by what we see. Sorry,but David Smith and Rusty Yates and more recently Mark Lunsford left no doubt in the few seconds of TV time they got. To say, O, you can't tell because he might have been going through those things behind closed doors is not evidence that supports the theory that he did. The fact that we haven't seen him go through these stages isn't proof positive but it is supporting evidence that he didn't. As Thomas Martin of the NT State police said the other day, "Absence of blood is sometimes just as significant as blood." So I say absence of symptoms is sometimes just as significant as witnessing the symptoms in progress.



I like Nabors but I would want to hear it from the horses mouth. From the beginning of this case I personally have tried to only deal in the recorded testimony and evidence. And again, in any case, people do say strange things when they are in shock. Maybe Cami can find it in her video collection. I think it was the old TLC show, Medical Detectives, but am not positived. You know, there are probably many, many statements the Routiers made to police that were not brought out at trial or documented anywhere. That happens in every case. They can't testify to each and every one of them.

[Dani_T]

[/quote]Exactly. So why don't you look at it as if he said nothing at all about what he was thinking and just weigh his actions and what you can hear on the 911 tape? [/quote]

I have. I don't take anything Darin says he did or thought as gospel because he has proven himself untrustworthy. Everything I hear on the 911 tape from him is about getting somebody in there to help him. I don't hear anything incriminating from him at all. As for his actions- if he believed Damon was still alive (as Darlie led him to believe during the 911 call) I can see why he didn't move him or give him CPR (because obviously you don't revive someone who is not dead). If he had one dead son and one sone alove (even if barely) I can see why he would spend the bulk (if not all) of his time with the one who is dead by desperately trying to revive him- especially when he had his wife to presumably render aid to Damon.


So where was Terry and why was he gone for 30 minutes?
Where do you get the 30 mins from.

According to Darin they had to wait until one of the paramedics told them which hospital they needed to go to. They were originally told two different ones.


There were two ambulances and two two member teams of paramedics. They just couldn't fit all of them into the family room where the bodies were because of the condensed area and the policemen who were already inside. Darin had to step out of the area to let the paramedic in to see about Devon because there was not room for both of them there.

No that's not right. Here is the chronology according to the testimony of the paramedics

- Kolby and Koschak arrive around 5-6 mins from the start of the 911 call and get the all clear from Walling to go in.

- Koschak got on the radio to call for more help (because Walling tells him to) and Kolby headed into the house. Koschak was not very far behind.
Kolby gets in their first and goes to Damon and is with him in the house for around 2 minutes during which time Damon breathed for the last time.

- Koschak gets in and sees Kolbye with Damon. He looks over and sees Darin walking towards the entry to the room.

- Kolby took Damon out to the ambulance and soon after that the engine company arrived and paramedic Coleman came and helped him. They worked on him for around 15 minutes before leaving for the hospital.

- Koschak triaged Devon, saw that he had died and went over to Darlie and pretty much took her out to the porch straight away.

- Whilst Koschak is attending to Darlie Paramedic Byford came up onto the porch and and helped him.

- Byford and Zimmerman in the 2nd ambulance arrived after Darlie had been brought out onto the porch and Damon taken to the ambulance.

- When they arrived on scene the engine company had already arrived (including Coleman who helped Kolbye).
- Byford entered the house briefly and came back out to help Koschak.

There were only ever two paramedics in the house when Darin was in there rendering any aid and he was already moving out of the area when Koschak came into the house.

[color=blue]I believe the testimony was that Damon ambulance pulled away as they arrived at the porch or shortly after their arrival. Darlie was bandaged quickly and placed on the ambulance, which left pretty quickly.
Damon's ambulance was there for around 15 mins according to Kolbye. In fact according to the times in their testimonies it looks like Darlie left first. Koschak said he only spent 7-8 minutes with her all up before the ambulance left.

Your quote is Karen's testimony, I think. Not the most credible of all those who testified if you ask me. And the section they were discussing was only to let her gain access to the porch. All she did was stand there and watch the paramedic bandage Darlie's neck wound. She was not allowed into the house until the police asked her to get the dog.

24 Q. Okay. And did you, after seeing
25 Darlie there in the doorway, did you later on have
1 occasion to go into the Routier home?
2 A. Yes, sir, I did.
3 Q. Okay. And will you tell the jury what
4 you found when you went into the home?
5 A. As I walked into the home, I
6 approached the entrance way between the kitchen and the
7 living area, and I saw Devon laying on his back with a
8 blanket covering the -- most part of his body with only a
9 fraction of his right eye that I could see.
10 Q. Okay. Ms. Neal, was there anyone in
11 attendance to Devon at that time?
12 A. No, sir.
13 Q. Okay. Was there anyone else in the
14 house that you saw at that time?
15 A. No, sir.
16 Q. Okay. Did you subsequently leave, and
17 go back outside?
18 A. Yes, sir, I did.
19 Q. Okay. Now, later on that -- or early
20 morning, did you have occasion to enter the house and
21 retrieve a little dog?
22 A. Yes, sir.

She clearly says she went into the house whilst Darlie was on the porch. Koschak says that he never saw Karen which means she couldn't have been standing too close watching Darlie.

There may be doubts about the reliability of her testimony but I don't see what reason she has to lie about having entered the house.


Unless, of course, there is nothing she could tell about his part in the crime. In that case, he should feel pretty free to go on with his life. He just hasn't done it for some reason.

Well after hearing that interview where she hesitated over saying she didn't think he had anything to do with it, and after having Pardo after him I think he would be walking on egg shells around her. He knows there is doubts about his innocence. He would also know that if Darlie did kill the kids and is still denying it she is not going to have any qualms about trying to sic the blame on him by making up anything she wanted. If he is 'scared' or anxious about her it doesn't necessarily have to be because she has stuff on him but because she would very well turn on him and make it all up- after all she made everything else up.

If he were dating, I think we would hear about it. Texas media would be interested in that story even if the national media was not
They have to know about it first and it looks like Darin is keeping as low a profile as ever. He may not even still be in Texas.



[color=blue]Are you forgetting he has signed an affidavit for her appeals? He implicated himself, although vaguely, in both of those statements. That is hardly a pro-prosecution stance.

Yes but so has, for eg. Linch who was a prosecution witness. Just because Darin signed an affidavit doesn't mean he wanted to.


And I can tell that he has not demonstrated any of the symptoms for the stages of grief. The most I can say for Darin is that in the days immediately following the crime, he had moments where he stared off in space as he spoke.

How do you know this Goody? You weren't there. Seeing a few interviews on Tv doesn't mean we can know how they both reacted all the time (which is why I have never put a huge amount of weight on the silly string video). Darin may

But I didn't see denial, anger, etc at any time, and I have never heard anyone who knew him ever describe those symptoms either. So there is no evidence at all that he experienced them.

Honestly Goody I think this is way too presumptions. You simply were not there. You saw a couple of minutes of TV footage (most of which you are pulling from memory anyway) in the days preceeding the murders and you say that you can confidently say that Darin showed now signs of grief.

Besides which, you are putting a timetable on the grieving period. Some people remain in shock and a state of numbness for weeks before they move onto a new stage. In fact for most people I doubt that it happens very quickly at all anyway.

To say, O, you can't tell because he might have been going through those things behind closed doors is not evidence that supports the theory that he did.

And your few minutes of evaluation of his character does not support the evidence that he did not.

Wow ;) first time you and I have quite distinctly disagreed about the case ;)

[cami]

I realize by now that I'm actually talking to myself but could it be, "get a blanket and come in here?"

OMG, Texas that's what I first thought he was saying. "get the blanket and get in here" There were blankets down there that the children were sleeping on I believe. Although the "ake" sound is pretty prominent as well so I discounted the word blanket.

[cami]

Maybe Cami can find it in her video collection. I think it was the old TLC show, Medical Detectives, but am not positived. You know, there are probably many, many statements the Routiers made to police that were not brought out at trial or documented anywhere. That happens in every case. They can't testify to each and every one of them.

I wish I did! I taped over it years ago and they have removed that Medical Detectives program from Canadian tv. The last time II was played was on Christmas Eve and I didn't have a vcr then, alas. I keep checking Forensics Files on CTV in the morning to see if they will play it but no luck so far. If they rebroadcast it, I will tape it as someone here wants a copy but I forget who it was, LOL.

However, memory serves that it was Nabors but I don't remember what he said.

[HeartofTexas]

Cami, glad to know someone else thought "blanket" could be considered. While it's probably not what Darin said, many people pronounce blanket without the "n" being all that audible and that would be more probable during duress, when words are probably slurred.

And yes, the Routiers were on TV many, many times in the early days of the case. Far too many. One only needed observe them for any time at all to get a really weird feeling that something wasn't right. Sadly, I don't remember too much about Darin at the time but I will always remember Darlie and how each interview seemed oddly twisted in her mind like a potential Hollywood audition for some future starring role. Never did I get the feeling that her boys were on her mind when the cameras were rolling. While the silly string footage was obviously the worst of all, there were many others where she just smiled and was almost coquet-ish in her demeanor. Actions before a TV camera won't hold up in Court but they sure helped me form an opinion rather quickly. And, as odd as this opinion might seem to others, I knew immediately that something was very wrong when she "slept" through her boys being brutally attacked but could no longer sleep upstairs with Drake in the room because just the sound of him rolling over in bed would wake her up. Excuse me! Two boys brutally attacked just feet from her and she can't hear a thing? Or better yet, according to which story of her's you believe, she darn near slept thru the assailant slitting her throat.

[cami]

Cami, glad to know someone else thought "blanket" could be considered. While it's probably not what Darin said, many people pronounce blanket without the "n" being all that audible and that would be more probable during duress, when words are probably slurred.

And yes, the Routiers were on TV many, many times in the early days of the case. Far too many. One only needed observe them for any time at all to get a really weird feeling that something wasn't right. Sadly, I don't remember too much about Darin at the time but I will always remember Darlie and how each interview seemed oddly twisted in her mind like a potential Hollywood audition for some future starring role. Never did I get the feeling that her boys were on her mind when the cameras were rolling. While the silly string footage was obviously the worst of all, there were many others where she just smiled and was almost coquet-ish in her demeanor. Actions before a TV camera won't hold up in Court but they sure helped me form an opinion rather quickly. And, as odd as this opinion might seem to others, I knew immediately that something was very wrong when she "slept" through her boys being brutally attacked but could no longer sleep upstairs with Drake in the room because just the sound of him rolling over in bed would wake her up. Excuse me! Two boys brutally attacked just feet from her and she can't hear a thing? Or better yet, according to which story of her's you believe, she darn near slept thru the assailant slitting her throat.

Yeah, that's why she had to invent the traumatic amnesia. No one believes she slept through that attack, LOL. Stupid of her to even put that out there. Especially when it was most likely those diet pills that kept her awake. It was the first ____ in the story I guess you could call it that made me take a second look. (what's the word I am looking for, gosh I hate this getting up there in age, that word should be right there without my having to think)

Of course her supporters will say she was so exhausted from being kept awake by Drake that she slept through it.

I've only seen her on the two television programs, 48 hours and the aande program and of course the silly string tape.

[HeartofTexas]

I wish I could say those were the only 2 times I saw her on TV. I'm sure that's why here in the Dallas area she was "tried in the media". I guess you have to assume that anyone who thinks boobs the size of melons are worth buying would do almost anything to gain attention... and that's what she always seemed to do. It was like this huge spotlight was shining on her and she would light up like a Christmas tree. Many of us, however, were sitting bug-eyed in front of our TV's wondering where the normal reaction to losing two children was. And no matter how much she wants to elaborate on how severe her neck injury was, I can tell you that it never seemed to interfere with her chomping and chewing like a maniac on what looked to be several large wads of gum.

What's the word you're looking for??? Hinky, chink?? Don't worry if I'm wrong on that... I'm getting up in age, too!

[beesy]

Yeah, that's why she had to invent the traumatic amnesia. No one believes she slept through that attack, LOL. Stupid of her to even put that out there. Especially when it was most likely those diet pills that kept her awake. It was the first ____ in the story I guess you could call it that made me take a second look. (what's the word I am looking for, gosh I hate this getting up there in age, that word should be right there without my having to think)

Of course her supporters will say she was so exhausted from being kept awake by Drake that she slept through it.

I've only seen her on the two television programs, 48 hours and the aande program and of course the silly string tape. Kink?

[Goody]

And yes, the Routiers were on TV many, many times in the early days of the case. Far too many. One only needed observe them for any time at all to get a really weird feeling that something wasn't right. Sadly, I don't remember too much about Darin at the time but I will always remember Darlie and how each interview seemed oddly twisted in her mind like a potential Hollywood audition for some future starring role. Never did I get the feeling that her boys were on her mind when the cameras were rolling. While the silly string footage was obviously the worst of all, there were many others where she just smiled and was almost coquet-ish in her demeanor. Actions before a TV camera won't hold up in Court but they sure helped me form an opinion rather quickly. And, as odd as this opinion might seem to others, I knew immediately that something was very wrong when she "slept" through her boys being brutally attacked but could no longer sleep upstairs with Drake in the room because just the sound of him rolling over in bed would wake her up. Excuse me! Two boys brutally attacked just feet from her and she can't hear a thing? Or better yet, according to which story of her's you believe, she darn near slept thru the assailant slitting her throat.
Your take on Darlie's actions following the murders is very close to mine, and I wasn't even there. But when you read or hear people talk about their aspirations, what they thought was important,etc, it always comes back to money, in one form or another, and it seems so out of its element when attaching it the brutal murder of children. It is hard to just blow if off as unimportant or not likely. I have a hard time seeing either one of them as "normal." I think they were both so materialistic that they just might do the unexpected. Besides when people get immersed in circumstances that lead them to murder, they often become so lost in an alternate reality that what doesn;t make sense to most makes prefect sense to them.

[cami]

I wish I could say those were the only 2 times I saw her on TV. I'm sure that's why here in the Dallas area she was "tried in the media". I guess you have to assume that anyone who thinks boobs the size of melons are worth buying would do almost anything to gain attention... and that's what she always seemed to do. It was like this huge spotlight was shining on her and she would light up like a Christmas tree. Many of us, however, were sitting bug-eyed in front of our TV's wondering where the normal reaction to losing two children was. And no matter how much she wants to elaborate on how severe her neck injury was, I can tell you that it never seemed to interfere with her chomping and chewing like a maniac on what looked to be several large wads of gum.

What's the word you're looking for??? Hinky, chink?? Don't worry if I'm wrong on that... I'm getting up in age, too!

Yeah hinky that's a good one, LOL. I think the silly string tape tells me all I need to know about Darlie and her craving the spotlight and her inappropriate behaviour at it. She just doesn't get it, she doesn't think like us obviously. That she couldn't tell that most of us normal parents would be appalled and disgusted by her actions. I call that SST her Histrionic Personality disorder at work. Regardless of the trouble it gets her into, she will continue to swing that big spotlight of publicity on herself. Look at her posing photos on that website, says it all.

[cami]

Kink?

Yeah I was going to say "derog" and I switched it for the blank line, LOL.

[Cassata11]

Yeah, that's why she had to invent the traumatic amnesia. No one believes she slept through that attack, LOL. Stupid of her to even put that out there. Especially when it was most likely those diet pills that kept her awake. It was the first ____ in the story I guess you could call it that made me take a second look. (what's the word I am looking for, gosh I hate this getting up there in age, that word should be right there without my having to think)

Of course her supporters will say she was so exhausted from being kept awake by Drake that she slept through it.

I've only seen her on the two television programs, 48 hours and the aande program and of course the silly string tape.
I am sure everyone knows about this site, but I watched about 5 media interviews yesterday on Darlie's guilt/trial. The American Justice was my favorite. I am not sure, but I think this site was taken down for a bit, and reinstated. It is a good info site.

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/media.php

Blessings..Cassata

[Jeana (DP)]

I am sure everyone knows about this site, but I watched about 5 media interviews yesterday on Darlie's guilt/trial. The American Justice was my favorite. I am not sure, but I think this site was taken down for a bit, and reinstated. It is a good info site.

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/media.php

Blessings..Cassata


Just wanted to welcome you to Websleuths!!!!!

[Cassata11]

Just wanted to welcome you to Websleuths!!!!!
Thank you!

So much reading to do still!!

Nice to see people discussing and debating!!

Have a great nighT!

Cassata

[cami]

I am sure everyone knows about this site, but I watched about 5 media interviews yesterday on Darlie's guilt/trial. The American Justice was my favorite. I am not sure, but I think this site was taken down for a bit, and reinstated. It is a good info site.

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/media.php

Blessings..Cassata

Yes thanks, my only problem is I have no sound on the computer so I can't watch em. although I've seen them all before.

Welcome

[cami]

Cami, glad to know someone else thought "blanket" could be considered. While it's probably not what Darin said, many people pronounce blanket without the "n" being all that audible and that would be more probable during duress, when words are probably slurred.

And yes, the Routiers were on TV many, many times in the early days of the case. Far too many. One only needed observe them for any time at all to get a really weird feeling that something wasn't right. Sadly, I don't remember too much about Darin at the time but I will always remember Darlie and how each interview seemed oddly twisted in her mind like a potential Hollywood audition for some future starring role. Never did I get the feeling that her boys were on her mind when the cameras were rolling. While the silly string footage was obviously the worst of all, there were many others where she just smiled and was almost coquet-ish in her demeanor. Actions before a TV camera won't hold up in Court but they sure helped me form an opinion rather quickly. And, as odd as this opinion might seem to others, I knew immediately that something was very wrong when she "slept" through her boys being brutally attacked but could no longer sleep upstairs with Drake in the room because just the sound of him rolling over in bed would wake her up. Excuse me! Two boys brutally attacked just feet from her and she can't hear a thing? Or better yet, according to which story of her's you believe, she darn near slept thru the assailant slitting her throat.

Actually, after playing the cd this past weekend, I am back to believing that Darin says "he can't make it." Both of us (a friend) hear Darin say the word "can't" before the "make it" or "blake" whatever it is.

[beesy]

Actually, after playing the cd this past weekend, I am back to believing that Darin says "he can't make it." Both of us (a friend) hear Darin say the word "can't" before the "make it" or "blake" whatever it is. cami, I've gone back and forth, but I just keep hearing "can't" or "ain't" and "make it" too. I'm not sure if it's the whole sentence you first thought it was "he's not going to make it, if they don't get here"(right?). I am almost positive Darin would have said "gonna", not "going to". I think he might say "he ain't gonna make it if they dont get here". Has anyone heard Darin say "ain't" in interviews? Or maybe it's "he can't make it if they don't get here". Oh a little note: some Southerners say(me included) "cain't", sounds like paint. And while we're working with accents, didn't Darin's family move to that part of TX or was that Darlie's?

[cami]

cami, I've gone back and forth, but I just keep hearing "can't" or "ain't" and "make it" too. I'm not sure if it's the whole sentence you first thought it was "he's not going to make it, if they don't get here"(right?). I am almost positive Darin would have said "gonna", not "going to". I think he might say "he ain't gonna make it if they dont get here". Has anyone heard Darin say "ain't" in interviews? Or maybe it's "he can't make it if they don't get here". Oh a little note: some Southerners say(me included) "cain't", sounds like paint. And while we're working with accents, didn't Darin's family move to that part of TX or was that Darlie's?

No actually I never heard "he's not going to make it" I have always said I heard "he can't make it if they don't get here" I have always heard the "can't" I have several friends who are sound engineers and producers and I played the wav file for one of them last weekend. He and I both believe there is a tiny bit of distortion on the "make/blake" word due to the slowing down. He is going to take the cd and run it through his equipment and we will see what we get.

It was Darlie's family that moved from Pennsylvania to Texas.

Did you know c&j has moved boards? The Mac discussion on aande is is really heating up.

[cami]

Jeff is one of the most avid Darlie supporters you could run into. He used to post a lot on the board I mentioned before (now defunct) and was at times infuriating to debate with because he just wouldn't back down even when what he was saying was ridiculous.

He even spoke to Darlie in prison. One of the big things for him is that he continually asserted that Darlie got the whole knife in the U-room thing wrong. He even told her to her face that she was mistaken LOL.

So anyway, instead of hearing "threw the knife down" (which is as clear as day) he maintained that she said "ree in the pee"

LOL.


He didn't!!! He actually told Darlie that, LOL. I used to tease him on c&j about how much in love with her he was and him a married man.

LOL, it started with Rachel who believed Darlie said "I see thee in the garage" or something stupid like that, LOL.

[Jeana (DP)]

He didn't!!! He actually told Darlie that, LOL. I used to tease him on c&j about how much in love with her he was and him a married man.

LOL, it started with Rachel who believed Darlie said "I see thee in the garage" or something stupid like that, LOL.


Ya'll crack me up!!! LOL
Go El Jeffe - go!! LOL :slap:

[beesy]

He didn't!!! He actually told Darlie that, LOL. I used to tease him on c&j about how much in love with her he was and him a married man.

LOL, it started with Rachel who believed Darlie said "I see thee in the garage" or something stupid like that, LOL. I keep forgetting to ask: Did Jeff ever explain what the heck "ree in the pee" meant? Surely he knew that makes no sense whenever or however it's used. I doubt it's used actually. Some sort of slang? :dance:

[beesy]

How's the book, cami?


[QUOTE=cami]No actually I never heard "he's not going to make it" I have always said I heard "he can't make it if they don't get here" I have always heard the "can't" I have several friends who are sound engineers and producers and I played the wav file for one of them last weekend. He and I both believe there is a tiny bit of distortion on the "make/blake" word due to the slowing down. He is going to take the cd and run it through his equipment and we will see what we get
Ok, after all this discussion I couldn't remember what you'd said. Is there anyway you could send me what he gets? My husband gets the creeps listening to the tape(don't blame him) so I really have nobody to listen to it with. I have a friend who loves true crime too, but limits herself to Dr. Mac discussions. Anyway, I'd like to hear it if I could please


It was Darlie's family that moved from Pennsylvania to Texas.

Ok, thanks, they sure lost whatever Yankee accent they might have had ya'll!

Did you know c&j has moved boards? The Mac discussion on aande is is really heating up

No, didn't know that either! Why? My heart can't take the Dr. Mac case but for so long at a time, but I'll check it out. Did ya'll ever revive the Darlie thread on Court TV?

[Dani_T]

I keep forgetting to ask: Did Jeff ever explain what the heck "ree in the pee" meant? Surely he knew that makes no sense whenever or however it's used. I doubt it's used actually. Some sort of slang? :dance:

Who on earth knows! He probably lurks around here so maybe he'll explain it to us one day :)

[cami]

Beesy, I think I finally realize what it is about the "damon, damon, damon" that disturbs me so much. Darlie is trying to hide what she is saying from the 911 operator. Why? On the second "damon" her voice is normal albeit a tad panicked. That brings the whole call into question for me. I am certain now that she placed that call for herself and not to try and save the boys.

[beesy]

Beesy, I think I finally realize what it is about the "damon, damon, damon" that disturbs me so much. Darlie is trying to hide what she is saying from the 911 operator. Why? On the second "damon" her voice is normal albeit a tad panicked. That brings the whole call into question for me. I am certain now that she placed that call for herself and not to try and save the boys. Yes, it sounds like when your kid is acting up at the store and you say "get over here right now" under your breath. You're pissed, but you don't want the entire store to know just HOW pissed you are. She's saying it under her breath, so to speak, more excited than you would be at the store, more intense-sounding, but the same tone. Was she telling Darin that Damon was moving?

[cami]

Yes, it sounds like when your kid is acting up at the store and you say "get over here right now" under your breath. You're pissed, but you don't want the entire store to know just HOW pissed you are. She's saying it under her breath, so to speak, more excited than you would be at the store, more intense-sounding, but the same tone. Was she telling Darin that Damon was moving?

Yes that's it. This is driving me bananas. If she is saying something to Darin about Damon than that brings Darin's culbability into this right away.