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Blazeboy3
12-05-2003, 03:24 AM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/book_9.html?sect=7

Owens also told Walters that there was "very good reason" John and Patsy Ramsey are under suspicion and called her prior interview with the couple on the 20/20 program "easy journalism," and criticized Walters for being too soft on the issue, a move that would later win him renewed support across the nation and arouse additional suspicion against the Ramseys.

Walters then showed him a portion of the interview during which John Ramsey makes a statement directed at Owens saying, "You've spent three years investigating my family. What are you going to do to find the killer of my daughter?"

Owens was then asked if, in his personal belief, whether John or Patsy Ramsey, or both, were responsible for the death of their child.

Owens, after agreeing that the question was a fair one, refused to answer it directly.

Blazeboy3
12-05-2003, 03:29 AM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/saga_6.html?sect=7

The Book
On Friday March 16, the Ramseys' book, The Death of Innocence, officially went on sale. The 396-page book, which is an emotional account of the Ramseys' life since JonBenet was killed, includes sharp criticism of how the case was mishandled and how John and Patsy believe it can be solved. The book outlines seven key pieces of evidence that they think might help find the murderer and names several names as being possible suspects.

***how quaint... 396...(what rounded #'s?)... OMG...it's TOO MUCH!

candy
12-05-2003, 03:51 PM
I posted this on Cybersleuths about that:

http://www.cybersleuths.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004675#000019

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Someone who has talked to Governor Owens within the last week and asked about the Ramsey case said that he would only intervene if there were "new evidence", and has no plans to intervene or take over the case for any other reason.
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Seeker
12-05-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Blazeboy3
"You've spent three years investigating my family. What are you going to do to find the killer of my daughter?"



John Ramsey, you've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars hiring "the best" investigators your money could buy. What did they do to find the killer of your daughter? What did you do to find the killer of your daughter? Does this look familiar, "it will be my sole mission in life"?

Love that "we want to know WHY this happnened", but clearly not WHO did it. Why is that John?

IMO BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO did it, hence why you and your son, JAR, say the killer CAN be forgiven...I think I know who the "sick puppy" in your family is. I think you do too, just look in the mirror John.

Old sicko John who has a virtual shrine to his dead daughter IN HIS BATHROOM, yet has NOTHING like that of JonBenet. What was his sick obsession with Beth anyway? And why does he find it soooo easy to just leave JonBenet's body by the Christmas tree and walk away, never to return? Is this the attitude that earned you the "iceman" lable?
Just why did Nedra have reservations about you enough to ask Patsy if she thought you would, or had ever tried to sexually molest JonBenet?
What about you scared Nedra so much that she entertained this idea? I think you know...I think you'll be found out eventually too.


This is my opinion of John Ramsey based on how I feel at this given moment.

Britt
12-05-2003, 05:14 PM
Seeker - excellent post! :clap: I completely agree with you.

Seeker
12-05-2003, 05:57 PM
I almost forgot! John, why did you give 3 different explinations/excuses as to your whereabouts for those 45 minutes on 12/26/96 that you were not in sight of Det Arndt?

Remember those John? I do.

Oh and lest I forget, how do you like knowing that your investigators, the ones you seemed to think were "the best minds in the country" told the world that they weren't looking for JB's killer but instead working soley to keep you and your wife's arses out of prison?



Feel free to add your thoughts to this Britt.

This is my opinion based on how I feel at this given moment.

Britt
12-05-2003, 07:33 PM
Seeker - I'm reminded of a couple of things:

First, this passage from Perfect Murder Perfect Town:

Around 7:00 p.m. John Ramsey went for a walk with John Fernie and Dr. Francesco Beuf, JonBenét's physician, who had brought over some medication for Patsy. When they returned a half hour later, Ramsey asked Bynum to represent him. "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry," Ramsey told his friends over and over. Then, just after 8:00, he left alone to take a walk in the nearby foothills. p. 27 paperback

He's sorry? For what? He's one of the alleged victims. Why is John sorry?

Then there was the warp-speed lawyering up of the ex-wife and kids, people who (allegedly) weren't even in the same state at the time of the murder. Why the lawyers? What was John hiding?

Then, as you mentioned, Seeker, that weird shrine to Beth in John's bathroom.

Put all that together with this interesting quote from the Enquirer Police Files book:

(Those of you who don't believe in Freudian slips and unconscious revelations through speech can scroll on by. Going psychoanalytical here...)

JOHN RAMSEY: I thought Beth was the burden I had to carry. And then we have been given the burden of losing JonBenet, who in my mind was a gift to us. She took Beth's place. p. 376

Beth was the burden, he says, not 'Beth's death' was the burden. Important distinction IMO, the "burden" of course being his guilt over molestation/incest.

Then the kicker: She [JonBenét] took Beth's place.

Finally, IMO it is significant that the Ramseys didn't bother to sue Doctors Wecht or Hodges, or otherwise go anywhere near the subject of molestation/incest/sexual abuse even in the face of the evidence and expert opinion supporting it.

IMO John Ramsey is a perv who molested at least two of his daughters. Or perhaps he only lusted after Beth without acting out, but finally did act out with JB.

Thorkim
12-05-2003, 07:48 PM
I agree, good post, you got me all stirred up. I happen to believe this was a male-Ram oriented crime (with Patsy for sure in on the coverup). I just keep going back & forth like a ping pong ball on which one.

And Britt, also notice in that walking alone in the foothills comment. Of course the obvious, I'm so sorry comments, but wouldn't you be scared chitless that intruder would be monitoring you (possibly) walking alone in those foothills? I would. Also, put that together with the other many strange comments made by this family. JAR's forgiveness and the comment from Patsy to Pam Griffith "we didn't mean for this to happen". John's shirt fibers in the crotch area of the panties, etc. etc.

Yeah, Seeker, why the hell should these people care about who did this, who will they target next, will it be Melinda or JAR? Yeah, just find out WHY this happened. They are pukes.

Blazeboy3
12-06-2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Seeker
John Ramsey, you've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars hiring "the best" investigators your money could buy. What did they do to find the killer of your daughter? What did you do to find the killer of your daughter? Does this look familiar, "it will be my sole mission in life"?

Love that "we want to know WHY this happnened", but clearly not WHO did it. Why is that John?

IMO BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHO did it, hence why you and your son, JAR, say the killer CAN be forgiven...I think I know who the "sick puppy" in your family is. I think you do too, just look in the mirror John.

Old sicko John who has a virtual shrine to his dead daughter IN HIS BATHROOM, yet has NOTHING like that of JonBenet. What was his sick obsession with Beth anyway? And why does he find it soooo easy to just leave JonBenet's body by the Christmas tree and walk away, never to return? Is this the attitude that earned you the "iceman" lable?
Just why did Nedra have reservations about you enough to ask Patsy if she thought you would, or had ever tried to sexually molest JonBenet?
What about you scared Nedra so much that she entertained this idea? I think you know...I think you'll be found out eventually too.


This is my opinion of John Ramsey based on how I feel at this given moment.

ABOVE "EXCELLENT POST"IMHO...TOO TRUE/TOO REAL ... if only John/Patsy could face the facts/reality...then maybe JonBenet could REST IN PEACE...IMHO they are too "scared/selfish"...!!!

Shawna
12-07-2003, 01:02 PM
ENQUIRER's headline: "How Daddy Keeps Mommy From Ratting Him Out"

"We know how John is keeping Patsy in line," a source close to the case disclosed to the ENQUIRER".

"He told her that if she told police what she knew, they could both go to jail, and lose their son Burke. And even if Patsy didn't go to jail, but he did, she and Burke would lose their home and end up penniless, living back in her home state of West Virginia".

"Patsy loved her life as one of the social elite of Boulder. She loved the expensive mansion, her fabulous designer clothes and her trendy Jaguar car. "She's terrified of losing it all".

"The investigators have pieced together a psychological profile of John as a manipulative, conniving, cold-as-steel controller of people".

"He is domineering and is used to getting his way in his personal as well as business relationships. It's not surprising that he's able to keep Patsy under his thumb."

"John Ramsey's attempted display of grief was really bad acting. He'd never win an Oscar for that performance. Looking into his eyes, it was obvious you were looking at a killer"

"Patsy was screaming in what seemed like real anguish at the sight of her dead daughter."

"John, meanwhile, was like ice. It was an amazing scene in that Boulder mansion, to see the different reaction of the two parents."

http://web.archive.org/web/19990501073036/joshua-7.com/jonbenet/8_11_97.htm :nono: BAD JOHN!

Imon128
12-07-2003, 01:14 PM
Shawna, great post. I believe both John and Patsy were saving what they both thought to be their great "name". P U

Blazeboy3
12-08-2003, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Shawna
ENQUIRER's headline: "How Daddy Keeps Mommy From Ratting Him Out"

"We know how John is keeping Patsy in line," a source close to the case disclosed to the ENQUIRER".

"He told her that if she told police what she knew, they could both go to jail, and lose their son Burke. And even if Patsy didn't go to jail, but he did, she and Burke would lose their home and end up penniless, living back in her home state of West Virginia".

"Patsy loved her life as one of the social elite of Boulder. She loved the expensive mansion, her fabulous designer clothes and her trendy Jaguar car. "She's terrified of losing it all".

"The investigators have pieced together a psychological profile of John as a manipulative, conniving, cold-as-steel controller of people".

"He is domineering and is used to getting his way in his personal as well as business relationships. It's not surprising that he's able to keep Patsy under his thumb."

"John Ramsey's attempted display of grief was really bad acting. He'd never win an Oscar for that performance. Looking into his eyes, it was obvious you were looking at a killer"

"Patsy was screaming in what seemed like real anguish at the sight of her dead daughter."

"John, meanwhile, was like ice. It was an amazing scene in that Boulder mansion, to see the different reaction of the two parents."

http://web.archive.org/web/19990501073036/joshua-7.com/jonbenet/8_11_97.htm :nono: BAD JOHN!

I agree; super post-THANKS!
Truly tragic/so sad...AND all for what?
... yeah John and his emotions...maybe he should have wrote a book (operational manual) for parents that loose NOT ONE BUT TWO DAUGHTERS!? ... refresh my memory anyone; didn't John say in DOI that "there was no manual on how a parent should grieve?"... maybe his next/new book could be "How JR Grieves Loss of Daughters"...???just a thought.

My question: How does someone grieve with the thought(knowing?) the killer/monster is still out there...what's to stop this killer/monster from coming again and again and again...maybe to theR's again???
http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/01/child.slain/
'Killer on the loose,' slain child's mother tells CNN

Seeker
12-08-2003, 01:38 PM
Linda Ardnt was afraid of John after looking into his eyes...remeber she was so unnerved she was counting her bullets.


"This was an inside job" John said to her as they crouched next to the body of what used to be JonBenet....

Shawna
12-08-2003, 04:35 PM
Ed Gelb, polygrapher who 'acquitted' John and Patsy Ramsey is also a big fraud.


"It so happens that Ed Gelb was called in after Travis Walton claimed he was abducted from a forest in Snowflake, Arizona, by space aliens and kept for five days aboard their spaceship before being returned to Earth. There were five witnesses to Travis Walton being beamed aboard an alien craft. Ed Gelb ran the polygraphs on those witnesses. All of the witnesses had been under suspicion of murdering Travis Walton."

"Ed Gelb gave tests to those five witnesses and then gave them a clean bill of health. He stated that each of the tests was conclusively "truthful.":eek:



http://shop.alienzoo.com/alienabduction/traviswaltonabduction.html


:nono: :nono: :nono: BAD RAMSEY'S

Imon128
12-08-2003, 04:49 PM
Ed WHO???? He's such a non force.. that jokester him. Oh, baby. Ugh

SisterSocks
12-10-2003, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Imon128
Ed WHO???? He's such a non force.. that jokester him. Oh, baby. Ugh


Wonder if Ed had been drinking <winking>

Socks:rolleyes:

Britt
12-10-2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Blazeboy3
...didn't John say in DOI that "there was no manual on how a parent should grieve?"... maybe his next/new book could be "How JR Grieves Loss of Daughters"...???
Right on, Blazeboy... that book would come with a parental advisory... and not for the squeamish... because (perhaps) John Ramsey's way of grieving one daughter's loss is to fall "in love" (and in lust) with another daughter, the one too young and too small to protest, the one whose mind (and body) he can really ****** with.

Perhaps this tragedy happened, and JonBen&eacute;t died, because John was "grieving" for Beth.

Imon128
12-10-2003, 01:50 PM
Good post, Britt. Further, John would probably put in there that it helps to make a picture shrine to the dead daughter and put it in dad's bathroom. Ugh.

John seemed needy for a woman's approval. Perhaps since his dad was such a domineering force, he (John's dad) kept the mother from John and Jeff Ramsey, creating a real need for John to get emotionally close to a woman. Even if the woman was his flesh and blood?

Britt
12-10-2003, 02:59 PM
I agree, Imon. I think John has some serious psych and emotional issues... and so does Patsy. JonBen&eacute;t, poor baby, had the horribly bad fortune of being born to not one but two parasitic narcissists / natural con artists.

Dr. Hodges in A Mother Gone Bad does a great job of explaining how apparently 'normal' parents and family folks like John and Patsy Ramsey, given certain stressors and certain psychological makeups, can go slipslidin into evil.

John wants to know why this happened... IMO if he really wants to know, he could start by reading Dr. Hodges' books.

Imon128
12-10-2003, 03:02 PM
Yes, LOL, I bet John DOES want to know why. If he's the perp, he probably has NO idea why it was done. It sort of says he knows WHO, just not WHY. Hmmmm.

Blazeboy3
12-14-2003, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by Britt
Right on, Blazeboy... that book would come with a parental advisory... and not for the squeamish... because (perhaps) John Ramsey's way of grieving one daughter's loss is to fall "in love" (and in lust) with another daughter, the one too young and too small to protest, the one whose mind (and body) he can really ****** with.

Perhaps this tragedy happened, and JonBen&eacute;t died, because John was "grieving" for Beth.

I totally agree!; Dr.Andrew Hodges 2nd book states this("WHO WILL SPEAK FOR JONBENET>>?(FYI-Dr.A.Hodges 1st bk "A MOTHER GONE MAD".)...he(Dr. Andrew Hodges is the ONLY PERSON TO WRITE TWO (2) BOOKS AND "N O T BE SUED BY THE RAMSEY!!!" GO FIGURE/??? .. & WHY??? ... read it yet?

Blazeboy3
12-14-2003, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by Britt
Right on, Blazeboy... that book would come with a parental advisory... and not for the squeamish... because (perhaps) John Ramsey's way of grieving one daughter's loss is to fall "in love" (and in lust) with another daughter, the one too young and too small to protest, the one whose mind (and body) he can really ****** with.

Perhaps this tragedy happened, and JonBen&eacute;t died, because John was "grieving" for Beth.

I totally agree!; Dr.Andrew Hodges 2nd book states (WHY/HOW THIS IS!); he wrote two books ... the 2nd being "WHO WILL SPEAK FOR JONBENET...the first being "A MOTHER GONE BAD" ... IMHO "EVERYTHING COMES FROM SOMEWHERE..." and I do note that he is the only AUTHOR to write TWO(2) books AND TO DATE NOT BEEN SUED BY THE RAMSEYS(?)hum?...common sense says WHAT DOES THAT MEAN>?...TRUTH MAYBE(?)!...~~~ :confused:

Blazeboy3
12-14-2003, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Britt
I agree, Imon. I think John has some serious psych and emotional issues... and so does Patsy. JonBen&eacute;t, poor baby, had the horribly bad fortune of being born to not one but two parasitic narcissists / natural con artists.

Dr. Hodges in A Mother Gone Bad does a great job of explaining how apparently 'normal' parents and family folks like John and Patsy Ramsey, given certain stressors and certain psychological makeups, can go slipslidin into evil.

John wants to know why this happened... IMO if he really wants to know, he could start by reading Dr. Hodges' books.

Britt:SO TRUE/SO RIGHT-ON! If only the R's could read/SEE/HEAR!?

In regards to your post above...
"Dr. Hodges in A Mother Gone Bad does a great job of explaining how apparently 'normal' parents and family folks like John and Patsy Ramsey, given certain stressors and certain psychological makeups, can go slipslidin into evil. "

...I TOTALLY "AGREE"!!! and his follow-up book Who Will Speak for Jonbenet does a much better job in who/what/ when/where/why... ... ... ... ... ...!!!:rolleyes: :confused: :dontknow:

Blazeboy3
12-14-2003, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by Blazeboy3
I totally agree!; Dr.Andrew Hodges 2nd book states (WHY/HOW THIS IS!); he wrote two books ... the 2nd being "WHO WILL SPEAK FOR JONBENET...the first being "A MOTHER GONE BAD" ... IMHO "EVERYTHING COMES FROM SOMEWHERE..." and I do note that he is the only AUTHOR to write TWO(2) books AND TO DATE NOT BEEN SUED BY THE RAMSEYS(?)hum?...common sense says WHAT DOES THAT MEAN>?...TRUTH MAYBE(?)!...~~~ :confused:

GO FISH/FIGURE...???!!!~~~

Dr. Andrew G. Hodges wrote TWO(2) books on JonBenet...but has not (to date 12/2003) been sued by "RAMSEY'S/?!~)...hum?
:dontknow: :confused: :dontknow: :confused: :dontknow: :confused:

Blazeboy3
12-14-2003, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Imon128
Good post, Britt. Further, John would probably put in there that it helps to make a picture shrine to the dead daughter and put it in dad's bathroom. Ugh.

John seemed needy for a woman's approval. Perhaps since his dad was such a domineering force, he (John's dad) kept the mother from John and Jeff Ramsey, creating a real need for John to get emotionally close to a woman. Even if the woman was his flesh and blood?

...uh huh...let's not forget John's dad married john's ex-wife mom too!? ./... how strange is that...how did that happen?:dontknow: :confused: :nono: :confused: :dontknow:

Imon128
12-14-2003, 05:13 AM
If you asked them about incest, they'd probably say..."I say keep it in the family". :)

I don't find it particularly odd that the dad married that lady, however, it sure adds to the enigma of that family.

Blazeboy3
12-14-2003, 05:23 AM
"You can live pretty simple," John said. "We end up carrying this big bag of stuff around with us, mortgages, car payments. You don't need a new car. You don't need this and that. All of a sudden you think, well that's kind of nice, just to get up in the morning and enjoy the flowers, instead of going out and worrying about somebody putting a ding in your new car.

...OK...STAY W/ME HERE...!!!: HELLO...say what???...I'm not sure but I think I'm listening! (strange thoughts!IMHO!)...?~
:dontknow: :confused: :eek:

(continued)"We've simplified our life. It's something that's taken time." Their energy is divided among several pursuits.
The couple has begun an informal ministry within their church, Peachtree Presbyterian of Atlanta, focusing on support for the bereaved. Patsy clearly is energized by the outreach, sometimes spontaneously seeking out victims' survivors after reading newspaper stories. The response has been positive.

"I was just driven to see this woman," by a higher spirit, Patsy said, recalling one encounter. "She said, 'The world wouldn't have sent Patsy Ramsey, but God did.' "

The Ramseys also are starting to talk of a broader cause, saying they are among "thousands" of innocent people convicted, either in public opinion or in court. They would like to see the murder of a child be a federal crime, investigated by FBI experts instead of local police.

"We're dealing with maniacs. These guys are mad, they're subhumans, that do this. How could you murder a child?" John said. "And yet we leave it up to Barney and Andy and Mayberry to deal with it. We're the most powerful country in the world, we should bring every resource we can bear on that."

John admits that lawmakers would probably ignore or dismiss their idea. "We certainly can be viewed as tar babies," he said.

Most important, the Ramseys want to know what is taking place in the investigation of their daughter's death. They want accountability for those who they say botched the case.


'They've failed us'

"We cannot sit idly by for JonBenet's sake for the sake of the next child this person will attack, if he's still alive," John said. "This is not right. Our government has failed, and our intention is to hold them accountable.

"They've failed us, they've failed their community, and they've failed the next family that will have to suffer if this creature is still alive."

To that end, the Ramseys want to throw open the curtains on the investigation, and probably will have to sue for the information they seek. Though police in Boulder say the case remains open, with a sergeant and three detectives still working it, the Ramseys say there is no new information to be uncovered if they remain suspects.

"There's no new material unless somebody goes in and investigates the investigation," Patsy said. "And let me tell you, that's going to be Watergate-level material," she said, referring to depositions for three civil suits that stemmed from the case.

"I want to know, and I want the public to know, what have they done out there?" she said. "To my knowledge, when we're doing discovery and inquiry in these lawsuits, we're finding that there's even less done than we thought. Isn't that frightening?"

John Ramsey said he "absolutely" would love for Boulder police to just shut down their investigation. He and Patsy still want it turned over to "competent, experienced investigators," although he admits the chances of that are small.

Either way, they argue that guilty people would go into seclusion rather than provoke authorities.

"I hand-write notes to (Boulder Police Chief) Mark Beckner and the (Boulder) DA's office, and I say, 'You know, I'm still here, I'm still a grieving mother, can you tell me anything?' " Patsy said. She said she receives no response.

John joked that the notes go into a file of handwriting samples


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_1234830,00.html

...excuse me while I b..a..r..f ///LOL...!!!~~~
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'Our strength comes from our innocence'
By Owen S. Good, News Staff Writer 12/15/2001
For a time, the ring of a telephone could plunge Patsy Ramsey into a hopeful trance. Each call replayed a vision in which she answered to a voice bearing good news and great relief. Then there was a news conference, a lectern, microphones and camera flashes. Answering questions. Cleared of suspicion.

Once, Patsy Ramsey could envision that world. She even had her dress picked out.

"I used to drag this navy suit around for two years, in case they caught the killer," she said, "because I was that sure it would happen. I was on the edge of my tiptoes. The phone would ring and I would think this was it, they're calling to say, 'We got him.' "

Patsy, 44, no longer keeps her navy suit at the ready. After five years, she and her husband, John, have discarded as a fantasy the idea that Boulder police will ever arrest someone for the Christmas night 1996 murder of their 6-year-old daughter, JonBenet.

"We've hoped for five years now that the killer would be found and, while I don't give up hope, I certainly have quit waiting for the phone to ring," John told the Rocky Mountain News on Nov. 30, in the the couple's only newspaper interview this year.

The police investigation, from the start, has focused on the Ramseys as responsible for their 6-year-old daughter's death. Many who read of the case are persuaded of the parents' guilt, and no doubt would share Patsy's escapist dream with her in a different role.

The Ramseys are mindful that nothing will completely remove the "umbrella of suspicion" casting a guilty shadow on them, whether it is the police or the public holding it over their heads. But the allegations still are met with an unstinting declaration of innocence, maddening to Ramsey foes who have staked theories to how innocent people do and do not act.

"We've never felt vulnerable," John said. "Our strength comes from our innocence."

...

Their energy is divided among several pursuits.

The couple has begun an informal ministry within their church, Peachtree Presbyterian of Atlanta, focusing on support for the bereaved. Patsy clearly is energized by the outreach, sometimes spontaneously seeking out victims' survivors after reading newspaper stories. The response has been positive.

"I was just driven to see this woman," by a higher spirit, Patsy said, recalling one encounter. "She said, 'The world wouldn't have sent Patsy Ramsey, but God did.' "
:dontknow: :confused: :eek:

...HELP ...:dontknow: :dontknow: :dontknow: :dontknow: :dontknow:

Blazeboy3
12-17-2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Blazeboy3
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/book_9.html?sect=7

Owens also told Walters that there was "very good reason" John and Patsy Ramsey are under suspicion and called her prior interview with the couple on the 20/20 program "easy journalism," and criticized Walters for being too soft on the issue, a move that would later win him renewed support across the nation and arouse additional suspicion against the Ramseys.

Walters then showed him a portion of the interview during which John Ramsey makes a statement directed at Owens saying, "You've spent three years investigating my family. What are you going to do to find the killer of my daughter?"

Owens was then asked if, in his personal belief, whether John or Patsy Ramsey, or both, were responsible for the death of their child.

Owens, after agreeing that the question was a fair one, refused to answer it directly.

///OH MY GOD...WHERE IS "MR OWENS WHEN YOU NEED HIM? ..."