Media Report - JANET PREGNANT

[SouthEastSleuth]

From today's Raleigh News & Observer:

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Published: Aug 18, 2005
Modified: Aug 18, 2005 3:00 AM

Slain woman was due for baby
Autopsy in killing reveals pregnancy

By SAMIHA KHANNA, Staff Writer

DURHAM -- Janet Abaroa was pregnant when she was stabbed to death in her West Durham home, an autopsy report shows.


Durham police have made no arrests in the death of Abaroa, who was found in a kneeling position in her bedroom at 2606 Ferrand Drive the night of April 26. She was 25. Her 6-month-old son was in another room, unharmed.

The victim's husband, Raven Abaroa, discovered his wife's body late that night and called 911, telling an operator he thought she had been shot, police said.

According to the report released by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Chapel Hill, Janet Abaroa was stabbed in the neck and chest. It was likely the wound to the base of her neck, which cut into an artery and lung, that was the fatal blow, the report says. A sharp object also cut the woman's right middle finger, the report shows.

Tests conducted during the exam also revealed Janet Abaroa was pregnant, the report says. The report does not indicate the length of the pregnancy, and the pathologist who conducted the test could not be reached Wednesday.

Dena Kendall, the victim's sister who lives in southern Virginia, said she was devastated when she learned her late sister had been pregnant.

"I wanted to throw up," Kendall said. "I couldn't breathe."

Kendall said she couldn't describe the loss her family has felt since Janet, an avid athlete and new mom, was killed four months ago. But, Kendall said, hearing updates from the police helps relieve some of the grief.

"We're putting our faith in the police that they'll solve this case," Kendall said.

Husband raising child

Since the woman's death, Raven Abaroa has been raising the couple's baby, Kaiden, who will mark his first birthday this fall, Kendall said. The father and son have spent time this summer visiting relatives, including spending time with Janet Abaroa's family in Virginia in June, Kendall said.

More recently, Raven Abaroa and his son have moved to Utah to be near Raven Abaroa's mother and stepfather, Kendall said. He keeps in touch with his late wife's relatives by phone, she said. The couple would have celebrated their fifth wedding anniversary this month.

Embezzlement counts

Raven Abaroa is scheduled to return to North Carolina next week to appear in an Orange County court on five counts of felony embezzlement, according to a schedule published by the N.C. Administrative Office of the Courts. Raven Abaroa was charged with embezzlement while he and his wife were working at Eurosport, a sporting goods company in Hillsborough. Janet and Raven Abaroa left their jobs last winter after Hillsborough police charged Raven Abaroa with embezzling more than $9,000 from the company, according to arrest warrants.

Staff writer Samiha Khanna can be reached at 956-2468 or skhanna@newsobserver.com. (skhanna@newsobserver.com.)

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Unfortunately, you have to register to get on this story, but, here's the link nonetheless:

LINK: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/durham/story/2731442p-9168974c.html

[terminatrixator]

http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/?ArID=73447&SecID=2

Murdered Durham woman was pregnant
8/18/2005 8:41 AM
By: News 14 Carolina Staff


http://rdu.news14.com/images/750.gif http://rdu.news14.com/media/2005/8/18/images/01janet_abaroa2.jpg http://rdu.news14.com/images/750.gifhttp://rdu.news14.com/images/750.gif Janet Abaroa http://rdu.news14.com/images/750.gif A Durham woman killed in her home in April was pregnant. That's according to the autopsy report of Janet Abaroa.

Police said Abaroa's husband found her stabbed to death in their west Durham home on April 26th.

The medical examiner’s office said she had been stabbed in the neck and chest.

Police are still looking for suspects in the case. If you have information about the case, call Durham CrimeStoppers at (919) 683-1200.

[golfmom]

Well I guess we have another motive. :( :( :( :(

[Jenifred]

NO WAY!!! I've got goose bumps reading this. I can't believe it.

I hope that the dam has broken and everything is going to come to light now.

Shame, shame, I know your name!!!

[SouthEastSleuth]

This makes me almost speechless...

And you're right GM, this could certainly play into the events of that evening, and maybe any events leading up to that night even.

It just overwhelms me with even more sadness though....

[Jenifred]

And you're right GM, this could certainly play into the events of that evening, and maybe any events leading up to that night even.
There's no way this couldn't play into that evening's events.

[golfmom]

I just don't understand. Raven had to know his wife was pregnant. Why didn't he tell anyone? Why has he just gone on with his life as if nothing's happened? Participating in volleyball contests, etc.

I'm flippin' blown away at his behavior ... even Scott Peterson pretended to care.

[Jenifred]

Maybe he found out that evening? Oh, I wish they would have said how far along she was.

[terminatrixator]

I bet she told him the minute she found out, and he had some time to think about it and it did not play into what he thought was his future plans.

Now, when you realize this information, and realize how LITTLE he has done to help the police, how he has not been actively seeking information into the Murderer of his Wife and CHILD, it makes me absolutely sick.

His toys are important, his needs, his wants, his & Janet's belongings, he goes on like the MURDERS never occurred, and yet he knew all this time she was pregnant. There is no way he didn't know.

I'm so sickened right now, read the passage in 2nutmeg again, go look up the entire passage. Disgusting, appalling and mortifying.

Please pray for the family of Janet as I am sure this is absolutely devestating to them. Prayers go out to Kaiden, who will never know his brother or sister.

[terminatrixator]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/durham/story/2731442p-9168974c.html

Here's the link for you SES.

[golfmom]

Looks like someone was trying to HIDE Janet's light.

Again, I have to ask myself, why a bunch of strangers, friends and aquaintances have been more determined for JUSTICE for JANET than her own husband has been. Especially now knowing that she was pregnant.

[golfmom]

The murderer "shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come" (D&C 42:18).

[SouthEastSleuth]

I'll have to dig up the statute, but, I'm fairly certain that this past year, in the NC General Assembly, a law was passed - stating something to the effect that if someone murders another person, and IF it's proven that the murderer was AWARE that the victim was pregnant, then the felony class with which the murderer is charged, is automatically increased, ie., if the charge was a lesser homicide charge, then in the scenario described, the homicide charge can automatically be increased to a greater charge. (Hope that makes sense...)

So IF Raven is the perp, and IF Raven knew Janet was pregnant, then WHEN Raven is arrested, he's in even more serious trouble than ever...

[Jenifred]

Golfmom, you checking into Mormon religion these days?

I hope Raven's got those Depends on today. He's going to need them--I'm going to need them if the information comes like this.

[JerseyGirl]

Oh my. Maybe the case IS starting to break. How sad and stupid that these TWO lives were taken!

[golfmom]

My level of frustration today is through the roof after the release of this information.

To Janet's family, you are constantly in my thoughts and prayers. I know today will be especially hard for ya'll. Know that there are a lot of people out here that will be praying for you today. Know that you are not alone.

Even if the *murderer* didn't view Janet's life as an innocent, certainly that sweet baby she was carry was. I hope you read my siggy line and know the true consequences of Janet's murder.

[golfmom]

Golfmom, you checking into Mormon religion these days?

I hope Raven's got those Depends on today. He's going to need them--I'm going to need them if the information comes like this.

Jen, my faith is important to me. I can only assume that Raven and Janet being raised in the Mormon faith and married in a temple, that it was important to them as well. So, I check out what the Mormon faith considers the consequences to the murder of an innocent.

Of course if he's a faithless man ... he wouldn't be concerned about eternal consequences.

[JerseyGirl]

I just don't understand. Raven had to know his wife was pregnant. Why didn't he tell anyone? Why has he just gone on with his life as if nothing's happened? Participating in volleyball contests, etc.

I'm flippin' blown away at his behavior ... even Scott Peterson pretended to care.If Raven is the perp, one can only imagine what's going through his mind the last two days with the release of this information two days in a row. If he is not the perp, I hope that he knew about this pregnancy before Janet was murdered. Otherwise, I can't imagine the pain of finding out through an autopsy report.

[golfmom]

It was CHILDREN, not just chld.

Termx referred to the murder of his wife and child and you corrected her. I'm confused ... was she carrying twins?

[Moxie]

Termx referred to the murder of his wife and child and you corrected her. I'm confused ... was she carrying twins?
I think JF meant the mother of his children, since she was pregnant, it wasn't just Kaiden anymore. Raven would have had two children.

[golfmom]

BTW, isn't this the same reporter that left a message on Raven's blog right after Janet was murdered?

[terminatrixator]

The name is very familiar to me, and I believe that is one and the same.

[golfmom]

After waiting these last few months for just one little tidbit on this case, isn't it interesting that within 48 hours we have TWO major stories breaking.

Emails and pregnancy ... Again, I think LE is sending a message to someone!

[Moxie]

I'll have to dig up the statute, but, I'm fairly certain that this past year, in the NC General Assembly, a law was passed - stating something to the effect that if someone murders another person, and IF it's proven that the murderer was AWARE that the victim was pregnant, then the felony class with which the murderer is charged, is automatically increased, ie., if the charge was a lesser homicide charge, then in the scenario described, the homicide charge can automatically be increased to a greater charge. (Hope that makes sense...)

So IF Raven is the perp, and IF Raven knew Janet was pregnant, then WHEN Raven is arrested, he's in even more serious trouble than ever...
Would this be viewed as a capital crime?

[JerseyGirl]

Would this be viewed as a capital crime?North Carolina, I have learned, is a death penalty state. I don't know what the requirements are to seek the death penalty. I always thought that it was up to the prosecutor's office whether or not to ask for the DP if the charge is going to be murder in the first degree. As far as there being an unborn child involved, I don't know if or how that might change things.

[terminatrixator]

Yes, which could be considered a Capital case if the Murderer knew that Janet was pregnant.

[terminatrixator]

2nutmeg

John 16:33

"I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world."

The entire quote as follows:

16"In just a little while I will be gone, and you won't see me anymore. Then, just a little while after that, you will see me again."
17The disciples asked each other, "What does he mean when he says, `You won't see me, and then you will see me'? And what does he mean when he says, `I am going to the Father'? 18And what does he mean by `a little while'? We don't understand."
19Jesus realized they wanted to ask him, so he said, "Are you asking yourselves what I meant? I said in just a little while I will be gone, and you won't see me anymore. Then, just a little while after that, you will see me again. 20Truly, you will weep and mourn over what is going to happen to me, but the world will rejoice. You will grieve, but your grief will suddenly turn to wonderful joy when you see me again. 21It will be like a woman experiencing the pains of labor. When her child is born, her anguish gives place to joy because she has brought a new person into the world. 22You have sorrow now, but I will see you again; then you will rejoice, and no one can rob you of that joy. 23At that time you won't need to ask me for anything. The truth is, you can go directly to the Father and ask him, and he will grant your request because you use my name. 24You haven't done this before. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy.
25"I have spoken of these matters in parables, but the time will come when this will not be necessary, and I will tell you plainly all about the Father. 26Then you will ask in my name. I'm not saying I will ask the Father on your behalf, 27for the Father himself loves you dearly because you love me and believe that I came from God. 28Yes, I came from the Father into the world, and I will leave the world and return to the Father."
29Then his disciples said, "At last you are speaking plainly and not in parables. 30Now we understand that you know everything and don't need anyone to tell you anything. From this we believe that you came from God."
31Jesus asked, "Do you finally believe? 32But the time is coming--in fact, it is already here--when you will be scattered, each one going his own way, leaving me alone. Yet I am not alone because the Father is with me. 33I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world."

[SouthEastSleuth]

After waiting these last few months for just one little tidbit on this case, isn't it interesting that within 48 hours we have TWO major stories breaking.

Emails and pregnancy ... Again, I think LE is sending a message to someone!

Truly interesting GM. For months, LE has been so "tightlipped," (a word I've come to detest actually! LOL). And now in a period of two days, two major stories come out...

If it's a message, then it should be being heard loud and clear at this point...to anyone with any interest in this case, etc.!!

Makes me wonder - will each day now bring more news???????

[terminatrixator]

After waiting these last few months for just one little tidbit on this case, isn't it interesting that within 48 hours we have TWO major stories breaking.

Emails and pregnancy ... Again, I think LE is sending a message to someone!
Emails & Pregnancy, I am really wondering what is next, what is going to be out there tomorrow? Resolution to this case would be a godsend!

[JerseyGirl]

I don't know what the general "rule" is but with my local media, once the stories start coming hard & fast like this, an arrest is usually not far behind.

[golfmom]

What's the rule about things coming in threes?

[golfmom]

Was it bad or good things come in threes?

I have a feeling that it's not over yet.

[SouthEastSleuth]

IF Raven knew Janet was pregnant -

it will certainly be interesting to know WHEN he found out, and, how he reacted to the news!

[chicoliving]

I'm just blown away......and once again the stats: the leading cause of death for a pregnant woman is homicide....

[SouthEastSleuth]

I'm just blown away......and once again the stats: the leading cause of death for a pregnant woman is homicide....

THAT says a lot......

[misterallgood]

NO WAY!!! I've got goose bumps reading this. I can't believe it.

I hope that the dam has broken and everything is going to come to light now.

Shame, shame, I know your name!!!
I think this might be the leak in the dike after all. And sticking his finger in won't save a certain blonde guy we all know and loathe.

This is powerful, powerful news.

Steve

[texasgirl]

:eek: OH MY! I've been away for awhile but this is some interesting news....it seems to be stirring up more attention in this forum as well. I've been a little out of the loop and I apologize for "disappearing" there for awhile. I've been so busy~!


Can anyone fill me in on the latest details other than the pregnancy? I'm having such a hard time catching up!!!! Please PM me if you can give me a brief synopsis of anything new in the last two months....

Ugh, this news is really distressing....those of us who followed this in the beginning didn't think of this did we??

[golfmom]

Texasgirl!
Welcome back! Who would have really considered it as a possibility with Kaiden only being six months old. The other big breaking news has been the information regarding computer activity.

[terminatrixator]

Steve, great to see you.

He's loathed no matter what color he has these days, wonder if he's going to be jumping in a pool soon and come out with orange hair.

[texasgirl]

Texasgirl!
Welcome back! Who would have really considered it as a possibility with Kaiden only being six months old. The other big breaking news has been the information regarding computer activity.
Thank you so much for your reply Golfmom! I was a little afraid to post again because it has been SO long!!! :blushing:

I will check out the info about the computer activity....thank you again for letting me know. I'd like to get back to sleuthing on this case but it's been SO hard to get caught up with all of you awesome posters!!

[JerseyGirl]

In actuality, I think that any and all possibilities have been thrown around over the months. I wish that this one hadn't turned out to be a reality. I didn't think that this case could become any sadder. :(

[Moxie]

Steve, great to see you.

He's loathed no matter what color he has these days, wonder if he's going to be jumping in a pool soon and come out with orange hair.
I am afraid he is going to try and jump on a plane out of the US.

LE, if you are reading this, Raven IS A FLIGHT RISK.

[PrayersForMaura]

Was it bad or good things come in threes?

I have a feeling that it's not over yet.
it's usually bad things come in threes .... in this case, bad for Raven, not us.
:D

[PrayersForMaura]

North Carolina, I have learned, is a death penalty state. I don't know what the requirements are to seek the death penalty. I always thought that it was up to the prosecutor's office whether or not to ask for the DP if the charge is going to be murder in the first degree. As far as there being an unborn child involved, I don't know if or how that might change things.Didn't Laci's mom get a bill passed by President Bush for this??
Or was that just in California?

[PrayersForMaura]

From today's Raleigh News & Observer:

Slain woman was due for baby
Autopsy in killing reveals pregnancy

By SAMIHA KHANNA, Staff Writer

DURHAM -- Janet Abaroa was pregnant when she was stabbed to death in her West Durham home, an autopsy report shows.


Durham police have made no arrests in the death of Abaroa, who was found in a kneeling position in her bedroom at 2606 Ferrand Drive the night of April 26. She was 25. Her 6-month-old son was in another room, unharmed.

The victim's husband, Raven Abaroa, discovered his wife's body late that night and called 911, telling an operator he thought she had been shot, police said.


LINK: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/durham/story/2731442p-9168974c.html (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/durham/story/2731442p-9168974c.html)

Kneeling position??? :(

[misterallgood]

Kneeling position??? :( I know... I find that most disturbing. Poignant, and scary, too.

(edited to add) I've written my first blog entry about this case in a while...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000982.html

Steve

[golfmom]

I know... I find that most disturbing. Poignant, and scary, too.

(edited to add) I've written my first blog entry about this case in a while...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000982.html

Steve

Great job Steve! Hopefully with all the national attention you've been receiving ... our quest for Justice for Janet will start to see some more media.

Things are heating up.

[Justgimmethetruth]

Could it be that even Janet didn't know? If the baby was only 6 months old, she may not have even had a regular cycle back!! The article quotes her sister as not knowing, so she hadn't really shared the news ...

Just throwing out some thoughts. I am sickened by this, though! It's Peterson all over again!

[terminatrixator]

The family doesn't live that close by, I'm thinking Janet knew and told Raven immediately after she found out. Perhaps a reason she didn't tell people immediately was the fact that the embarrassment of having to deal with RAVEN'S embezzlement charges, and they needed help with their rent and had so many things going on.

Considering Raven's control issues, I doubt she had that many people to confide in, either.

I tend to disagree with your assertion on Janet not knowing she was pregnant. Most women, after their first child, can tell immediately when they are pregnant, and most women are more fertile months AFTER giving birth, than they are years down the road because of the growth of endometrial tissues. Every woman I have spoke to after the first child, know usually right away they are pregnant, and I have no doubt that Janet knew and she told Raven.

[golfmom]

The family doesn't live that close by, I'm thinking Janet knew and told Raven immediately after she found out. Perhaps a reason she didn't tell people immediately was the fact that the embarrassment of having to deal with RAVEN'S embezzlement charges, and they needed help with their rent and had so many things going on.

Considering Raven's control issues, I doubt she had that many people to confide in, either.

I tend to disagree with your assertion on Janet not knowing she was pregnant. Most women, after their first child, can tell immediately when they are pregnant, and most women are more fertile months AFTER giving birth, than they are years down the road because of the growth of endometrial tissues. Every woman I have spoke to after the first child, know usually right away they are pregnant, and I have no doubt that Janet knew and she told Raven.

Not only do I think Janet knew she was pregnant (I conceived immediately after my first as well AND knew immediately), but I completely agree with you that she probably had not shared that information with many people. Things were going horrible for her and the shame and embarassment had to be overwhelming much less sharing the news of another baby on the way. I think Janet wanted to protect her family from the terrible situation she was facing.

Initially, I got numerous pm's from friends who were completely shocked regarding the embezzlement charges. They didn't find out about them until after Janet's murder. Further, most friends didn't even know they were renting! Raven told folks they bought that house!

Seems like everything was a web of lies and secrets.

[JerseyGirl]

I wonder if in the case that Raven is the perp, that he perhaps thought that no one would find out that she was pregnant. Sounds crazy, I know but who knows what goes through people's minds during such acts.

I also agree that most times, women know when they are pregnant after their first child, and even with the first one at times. I knew with each of mine.

I also agree that there's a good likelihood that she would have been too embarassed to tell her family just yet.

I hope with all that I am that if Raven did this, and if it had something to do with the pregnancy, that the computer information will show that her and Raven were aware of the pregnancy.

[golfmom]

Sometimes when you walk away to clear your head ... a though pops in so terrible that it takes your breath away.

What if Janet told Raven that she was pregnant and he insisted that she terminate the baby and she refused?

I had heard that initially he didn't want Kaiden and implied that Kaiden might not even be his. After reconciling it appeared that he got on board to being a daddy and loves Kaiden, but . . .

It's just one of those thoughts that won't go away.

[Jenifred]

From this article I read this morning, the perp of Janet's murder cannot be considered a double murder. Maybe things will be changing in NC soon

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=3361221

"Durham's district attorney tells Eyewitness News that the crime could not be considered a double murder under state law."

[terminatrixator]

I thought Laci & Conner's law was passed Nationwide:

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/abortion/unbornbill32504.html

Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.

`(2)(A) Except as otherwise provided in this paragraph, the punishment for that separate offense is the same as the punishment provided under Federal law for that conduct had that injury or death occurred to the unborn child's mother.


`(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that--


`(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying offense was pregnant; or




`(ii) the defendant intended to cause the death of, or bodily injury to, the unborn child.



`(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.


`(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the death penalty shall not be imposed for an offense under this section.

[LTUlegal]

That's how I understood it, too, Term...and perhaps that's what they're looking for on the e-mail files, to see if someone else knew...I don't know...an egotistical birdy or something? If so, he can be convicted as a DOUBLE MURDERER.

[terminatrixator]

Please notice that Section B.

(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that--


`(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying offense was pregnant; or

DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF!

[tiffany]

I haven't been here in a while...I just happened to stoll on by today...SICK. I am SICK. Raven is disgusting...He is now a "Scott Peterson"...killing not only his wife but his unborn child. I am disgusted. I hope he rots in hell for what he has done.

[golfmom]

I haven't been here in a while...I just happened to stoll on by today...SICK. I am SICK. Raven is disgusting...He is now a "Scott Peterson"...killing not only his wife but his unborn child. I am disgusted. I hope he rots in hell for what he has done.

Welcome back Tiffany!

[Bobbisangel]

The murderer "shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come" (D&C 42:18).


What is D&C? I've never heard of that. I don't want to start a battle but the bible says that one sin is no worse than another and that there is forgiveness for every sin. I don't want murderers, child sex offenders, the worst of the worst to be forgiven but my understanding is that if they ask for forgiveness with remorse they will be forgiven.

[Bobbisangel]

Yes, which could be considered a Capital case if the Murderer knew that Janet was pregnant.


I'm really confused about the "Laci and Connor Law." It was signed by President Bush and so I thought that meant it was active in every state in the United States. California already had a law that a killer would be charged with two murders if the mom was pregnant. Wouldn't North Carolina have "Laci and Connor's Law" too? Wouldn't the killer automatically be charged with two murders because of the pregnancy no matter how far along Janet was or if the killer was aware or not? As long as the ME could tell in the autopsy the killer should be charged. They couldn't charge Mark Hacking with two murders because by the time they found Lori they couldn't tell if she was pregnant or not.

If the "Laci and Connor Law" doesn't cover every state then what does it cover? Anyone have an answer :confused:

[Bobbisangel]

Emails & Pregnancy, I am really wondering what is next, what is going to be out there tomorrow? Resolution to this case would be a godsend!


What was in the emails or can you direct me to the link. I must have missed it. Hope something breaks soon.

[Bobbisangel]

I know... I find that most disturbing. Poignant, and scary, too.

(edited to add) I've written my first blog entry about this case in a while...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000982.html

Steve


I would like to read your blog but I can't get either link to work for me. Is it just my computer....do they work for you?

[golfmom]

I'm going to take a wack at answering your questions.

1. I found the quote you were asking about when researching how the Mormon faith views murder.

2. The media thread has articles about the emails and pregnancy. Within 24 hours we had two major stories after months of silience. First that computer evidence has been seized and second that the autopsy of Janet revealed that she was pregnant at the time of her murder.

3. The link to Steve's blog works for me. I'm not sure why it won't work for you. You might want to check the thread about Misc. Links of Interest / Not Media. We collected up all misterallgoods blogs and placed them there.

Hope that helps!

[terminatrixator]

Thanks Golfmom for answering bobbisangle for me, I got a bit of a late start this morning.

Re: the emails, if you look at the thread regarding the Disk Seized you will find that information.

Confusion indeed regarding Laci & Conner's Law. I stated on this thread the link to the law and notice in Section B - see the words DOES NOT. I take this to mean, that whether or not the murderer knew that the victim was pregnant, it just don't matter. This is the way I am reading it.

(B) An offense under this section does not require proof that--


`(i) the person engaging in the conduct had knowledge or should have had knowledge that the victim of the underlying offense was pregnant; or

[chicoliving]

If the "Laci and Connor Law" doesn't cover every state then what does it cover? Anyone have an answer :confused:
IIRC it has to do with the murder of a pregnant woman and her unborn child on federal land....

[ewwwinteresting]

Ok, so come out with all the news when I'm not around!! No fair. A cruise to Alaska is a great thing to do in August.

I am so sad, so very sad at this news. Janet just became a statistic....homicide being the number one cause of pregnant women:furious: !

Does anybody know if Janet breastfed Kaiden? I'm thinking she didn't or stopped since she was working full time. So, if I assume she didn't and they weren't using any birth control, then there is no way raven didn't know! And then my question would be why not? raven not wanting another child and does nothing to prevent it???? If they were using birth control then maybe raven didn't know. Does anybody know this personal information about them?

[ewwwinteresting]

I know... I find that most disturbing. Poignant, and scary, too.

(edited to add) I've written my first blog entry about this case in a while...

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/000982.html

Steve
Steve:

Nice write up and congratulations on all the exposure with Fox News....good for you!:dance:

[Bobbisangel]

IIRC it has to do with the murder of a pregnant woman and her unborn child on federal land....


I must be slow lately..lol. I don't understand...on federal land? My understanding of the law was that it covered every state anywhere. If a man murders a pregnant woman then he is charged with two murders period.

[Bobbisangel]

I'm going to take a wack at answering your questions.

1. I found the quote you were asking about when researching how the Mormon faith views murder.

2. The media thread has articles about the emails and pregnancy. Within 24 hours we had two major stories after months of silience. First that computer evidence has been seized and second that the autopsy of Janet revealed that she was pregnant at the time of her murder.

3. The link to Steve's blog works for me. I'm not sure why it won't work for you. You might want to check the thread about Misc. Links of Interest / Not Media. We collected up all misterallgoods blogs and placed them there.

Hope that helps!


Thanks for answering. I'll check out the media thread and I did finally get Steve's link to work for me....an interesting blog to be sure.

[hoppyfrog]

Since the media apparently has the autopsy report AND the report should contain the time of death (TOD), has the TOD been reported in any news media? Anyone want to email the reporter(s) who broke the pregnancy story and ask about the TOD?

Hoppy





2. The media thread has articles about the emails and pregnancy. Within 24 hours we had two major stories after months of silience. First that computer evidence has been seized and second that the autopsy of Janet revealed that she was pregnant at the time of her murder.

[adnoid]

...If the "Laci and Connor Law" doesn't cover every state then what does it cover?...

It's a FEDERAL law that covers crimes committed on Federal property such as military bases. It does not supercede State laws, which cover most murders.

[golfmom]

It's a FEDERAL law that covers crimes committed on Federal property such as military bases. It does not supercede State laws, which cover most murders.

Hey Adnoid! Glad to see you over here. :woohoo:

[golfmom]

Since the media apparently has the autopsy report AND the report should contain the time of death (TOD), has the TOD been reported in any news media? Anyone want to email the reporter(s) who broke the pregnancy story and ask about the TOD?

Hoppy

What a GREAT idea! Let us know what you find out!

[hoppyfrog]

Not me. I'm leaving this very moment for a trip. Anyone want to volunteer? Someone who has been in touch with a reporter in the past?

Hoppy

What a GREAT idea! Let us know what you find out!

[adnoid]

Hey Adnoid! Glad to see you over here.

Hi there! Someone I respect said this case was interesting (I haven't been following it) so I'm trying to get up to speed.

[Jess]

It's great to see you over here !! There is so much to read and digest !! Some very knowledgeable posters on this case!!

[libraryg]

Welcome Adnoid, so good to see you here. Very interesting case, and several posters here with ties to the Abaroas. Looking forward to your wisdom and wit!

[adnoid]

Welcome Adnoid, so good to see you here. Very interesting case, and several posters here with ties to the Abaroas. Looking forward to your wisdom and wit!

Yep - I'm reading, pretty odd behavior once again.

Wisdom? You flatter me. I'm just obnoxious.

[lauriej]

welcome adnoid.........i know we can count on you for some wisdom ,and wit........and as always, to stick up for those of us that are canadian..........

[golfmom]

welcome adnoid.........i know we can count on you for some wisdom ,and wit........and as always, to stick up for those of us that are canadian..........

Dang, there goes the neighborhood . . .

[Jess]

Dang, there goes the neighborhood . . .

Hmmm That's the second time in two days I've heard that comment!!!

Strange, eh ???

[hoppyfrog]

What a GREAT idea! Let us know what you find out!
Lasat night I emailed Ms. Khanna at the News Observer about Janet's autopsy report and TOD. I'll let you know if and when she replies. In the meantime, could anyone else email another media outlet about it?

Thanks.

Hoppy

[bluegirl]

now with the pregnancy the national news is looking into picking this story up!

[ewwwinteresting]

now with the pregnancy the national news is looking into picking this story up!
Yeah.....it's about time! I guess it's important now that two lives were brutally taken!!

[hoppyfrog]

now with the pregnancy the national news is looking into picking this story up!
Great! How do you know?

tia,

Hoppy

[JerseyGirl]

Courthouse Steps - excoboard.com (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:TkPbVrHPt1QJ:s2.excoboard.com/exco/postreply.php%3Frwq%3D1%26postid%3D7576923%26forum id%3D122532%26threadid%3D734491+%22raven+abaroa%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=22&ie=UTF-8)

Posted by "Milo" on Feb. 27, 2006 -

"Durham, NC

Janet Abaroa, 25 years old and 3 months pregnant..."

I'm assuming that Milo simply misspoke?

[terminatrixator]

Wow - JG.

I have never seen an exact timing of how many months Janet was pregnant before, has anyone else?

Seems like they took information off of Tears for Janet for some things, and quotes and snippets from different articles. I looked at Tears for Janet, and there is nothing in there about how many months pregnant she was, nothing here either for that matter or any news stories unless we missed some.

I'm thinking the person misspoke unless they know something we don't know.

[JerseyGirl]

I'm thinking that they misspoke as well. The coroner surely would have noticed significant changes to Janet's body if she were 3 months pregnant.

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

I agree that they misspoke.

[madgallico]

Courthouse Steps - excoboard.com (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:TkPbVrHPt1QJ:s2.excoboard.com/exco/postreply.php%3Frwq%3D1%26postid%3D7576923%26forum id%3D122532%26threadid%3D734491+%22raven+abaroa%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=22&ie=UTF-8)

Posted by "Milo" on Feb. 27, 2006 -

"Durham, NC

Janet Abaroa, 25 years old and 3 months pregnant..."

I'm assuming that Milo simply misspoke?

Milo...at our board Courthouse Steps...got this information from a news article at WRAL.com
http://www.wral.com/news/9084288/detail.html

WRAL

POSTED: 11:14 pm EDT April 28, 2006
UPDATED: 12:10 am EDT April 29, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. -- It's been one year since 25-year-old Janet Abaroa was stabbed and killed in her Durham home, but her killer is still on the loose. After a tough year without her, her family is honoring her memory.

Durham police say the case was not random, but they still haven’t identified a suspect. Abaroa was killed with her 6-month-old child in the house. There was no sign of forced entry.

One year later, Abaroa's family is desperate for answers.

"We don't feel like we are any closer to an end than a year ago," says Abaroa's sister, Dana Kendall.

Abaroa never made it to her first Mothers Day, or her son's first birthday. Her family didn't know it when she died, but an autopsy revealed she was pregnant again.

"They knew this would be hard on me, so they didn't tell me for quite a while," says Janet Christiansen, Abaroa's mother.

[terminatrixator]

Thanks for the information Madgallico.

I think the question JG and I had in Milo's post was (s)he stated that Janet was 3 months pregnant. I don't see that information in that article and we have never found a single source that stated exactly how far along Janet was in her pregnancy and was wondering if Milo knew something we didn't and what was the source of the information.

[madgallico]

.

I think the question JG and I had in Milo's post was (s)he stated that Janet was 3 months pregnant. I don't see that information in that article and we have never found a single source that stated exactly how far along Janet was in her pregnancy and was wondering if Milo knew something we didn't and what was the source of the information.

I realized that later and it was too late to edit the post. We are trying to find the exact article with link where Milo found this information. I'll post it as soon as we find it.

[LTUlegal]

Courthouse Steps - excoboard.com (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:TkPbVrHPt1QJ:s2.excoboard.com/exco/postreply.php%3Frwq%3D1%26postid%3D7576923%26forum id%3D122532%26threadid%3D734491+%22raven+abaroa%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=22&ie=UTF-8)

Posted by "Milo" on Feb. 27, 2006 -

"Durham, NC

Janet Abaroa, 25 years old and 3 months pregnant..."

I'm assuming that Milo simply misspoke?
Interesting that on that board, they don't seem to quote sources. They're quoting SOME things directly from the Tears for Janet site, including the very first post. It makes it a little confusing, if you ask me.

[terminatrixator]

Thanks for the info MadGallico, it is nice to see that other sites are also taking interest in Justice for Janet.

[madgallico]

Interesting that on that board, they don't seem to quote sources. They're quoting SOME things directly from the Tears for Janet site, including the very first post. It makes it a little confusing, if you ask me.

It is a relatively new board & the members at first were only posting parts of an article without the source. That is not the norm now. The rules are the entire article with the source or part of the article or information with a link.

I would rather the whole article was posted with the source because after awhile the link says "Sorry but the page you requested is no longer available" or something to that affect.

It's a great board & has gotten past the initial confusion.

[madgallico]

Okay...I talked to Milo...he is registered here now as Milo59. He just needs to get the final acceptance e-mail.

Anyway, Milo did misspeak by putting in 3 months. He meant to say 3 weeks. He posted information that he knew about Janet's murder & put in the link for Tears for Janet just for others to look at the link. He took no information from that site.

We can't change the post because it has already went past the limit of page threads & went to the archives. The board only lets us have 5 pages of threads then it archives them. Not good but there are too many other great things about the board to make up for this. :)

Milo got his information from his former co-workers in the Denver police department where he was once a police officer. He can tell you more when he can get in here to post. He feels bad that he posted incorrect information but sometimes these things will happen. :o

[terminatrixator]

Okay...I talked to Milo...he is registered here now as Milo59. He just needs to get the final acceptance e-mail.

Anyway, Milo did misspeak by putting in 3 months. He meant to say 3 weeks. He posted information that he knew about Janet's murder & put in the link for Tears for Janet just for others to look at the link. He took no information from that site.

We can't change the post because it has already went past the limit of page threads & went to the archives. The board only lets us have 5 pages of threads then it archives them. Not good but there are too many other great things about the board to make up for this. :)

Milo got his information from his former co-workers in the Denver police department where he was once a police officer. He can tell you more when he can get in here to post. He feels bad that he posted incorrect information but sometimes these things will happen. :oThese things happen, love the fact other places are taking about Janet as I stated above.

I just was confused on the timing and was wondering if this person knew more about the case because there are so many questions and would love to have "an in."

Keep up the good work on your site. It's a good thing you guys are doing.

[Jenifred]

Anyway, Milo did misspeak by putting in 3 months. He meant to say 3 weeks. He posted information that he knew about Janet's murder & put in the link for Tears for Janet just for others to look at the link. He took no information from that site.
Now, Milo knows this because of some connections he's found this out through? I'm still a little confused myself.

I personally think that Janet was farther along than just 3 weeks because at 3 weeks a woman barely knows that she's pregnant. She might suspect, but definately wouldn't know for sure. I was thinking that she was more like 6 or 7 weeks along--long enough to be able to take a pregnancy test, but not long enough to be telling everyone she's pregnant because it's a little early. JMO.

[JerseyGirl]

Now, Milo knows this because of some connections he's found this out through? I'm still a little confused myself.

I personally think that Janet was farther along than just 3 weeks because at 3 weeks a woman barely knows that she's pregnant. She might suspect, but definately wouldn't know for sure. I was thinking that she was more like 6 or 7 weeks along--long enough to be able to take a pregnancy test, but not long enough to be telling everyone she's pregnant because it's a little early. JMO.I agree, JF. The only way of knowing at her stage of pregnancy, for reasons stated in the information below, is through the numbers in the blood test. From what I've read, those numbers are not completely reliable as many factors can affect them.

Anyway, here's a link to a post of mine from another thread with some pertinent information copied & pasted here. My guess is that she was 4-5 weeks:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Did Raven know Janet was pregnant? (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=813130&postcount=8)

From what we know:

1) Janet's uterus was noted as "unremarkable".

2) The endometrium was thickened.

3) Raven mentioned her being in her normal "bad cramps" position.

According to the information I've found, by week 4 of pregnancy, you are just missing your menstrual period. By week 6 of pregnancy, a doctor can notice a change in the size of the uterus. If Janet's endometrium was thickened, then she was very near, at, or past her due date for her period for that month. So my guess is that she was at least four weeks pregnant but not yet six since her uterus was not noted as being enlarged.

What I find interesting is this:

WebMD with AOL Health - Pregnancy Week by Week - First Month (http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/64/72360.htm)

Week 4

You're probably expecting your period this week, and if it doesn't occur it might be one of the first signs that you're pregnant. (My note: Many sexually active women take a home pregnancy test the day after missing their period.)

WebMD with AOL Health - Pregnancy Week by Week - Second Month (http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/64/72363.htm)

Week 5

Still no big changes to notice in yourself, although you might suspect by now that you're pregnant.

[JerseyGirl]

He feels bad that he posted incorrect information but sometimes these things will happen. :oNothing at all to feel badly about. I was just wondering if he knew something that we didn't. Thanks so much for joining us and for clarifying! :)

[terminatrixator]

My thoughts are that Janet was closer to 2 months pregnant and my opinion and guess is that Raven knew. We won't know for certain until an arrest is made in this case and it goes to trial.

[LTUlegal]

It is a relatively new board & the members at first were only posting parts of an article without the source. That is not the norm now. The rules are the entire article with the source or part of the article or information with a link.

I would rather the whole article was posted with the source because after awhile the link says "Sorry but the page you requested is no longer available" or something to that affect.

It's a great board & has gotten past the initial confusion.
I apologize, I didn't mean to come across cranky. I understand how it can be with a new board.
I am glad there's interest in the case, and I'm glad there's activity surrounding Janet's case.
My hope is that the perp will be arrested soon. I have a pretty good idea who that perp is.

[madgallico]

I apologize, I didn't mean to come across cranky. I understand how it can be with a new board.
I am glad there's interest in the case, and I'm glad there's activity surrounding Janet's case.
My hope is that the perp will be arrested soon. I have a pretty good idea who that perp is.

I didn't think there was any crankiness evident in your post. :) I can understand how the posts on Courthouse Steps seemed confusing. I was getting confused myself. :crazy:

I was amazed at the lack of information on Janet Abaroa's murder anywhere. I hope this is solved soon for everyone involved. LE just needs to get some definite & solid evidence on the low life who did this...as if we didn't know who it was.

[Straitfan]

Hey Terminaxitor,

Can't someone get this case on NG? When she gets attached to a particular case, she is relentless! Keeping it alive...:innocent:

[terminatrixator]

My friend works in scheduling department.

I think viewers, friends and family writing to her and the show itself would be the best way to go. I've written myself several times. We need more than a handful of people writing to the show to get interest up I think.