5801 Eagle Drive

[armywife210]

I just wanted to let y'all know that the former Routier home is now up for sale. I was searching Rowlett for homes on realtor.com and it popped up in front of me. It has a lot of pictures of the home, and you can also go to 5801eagledrive.com The current owner has put that webpage up, and it has a ton of pictures, in and out, of the home. There have been some changes to the homes interior (and exterior, but only slightly) but it made me better understand how the house looked inside and outside. The fountain is gone in front, and the hot tub house has been taken down and what remains appears to be a little deck patio thing.

[sue1017]

Wow, all of that for only $197,900!

Seems 10 years didn't really change the value of the property.

I can see what you mean about checking out the link it does put things into a better perspective.

Thanks for sharing,

S

[beesy]

Thanks for posting this. Those pictures show the rooms and layout better than the books. Strange to see it w/o blood. I must admit, some of those pictures actually made me feel sick. Seeing the rooms in a different perspective than a crime scene makes me remember it was a home and those boys lived there, not just died there.

[HeartofTexas]

Thanks, Army, for posting this. Someone has taken great pains to beautify the home and take it from garish to glorious!

There is more info re the home (from the Dallas tax site) here:

http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailRes.aspx?ID=440014100H0010000

Rather surprisingly, it only has a $161,000 evaluation for the tax rolls. And in 1999, it was only appraising for $112,000. It's also had at least 2 owners since the Routiers (it only goes back as far as 1999, and I'm not exactly sure when Darin sold it, or it was foreclosed).

[Becba]

Is this recent? the price for the house is really low compared to what I would expect.

It basically means me and my husband own a mansion and there would be big bucks for basic crap.

[Dani_T]

Wow. That is just eerie. Looking at those photos was a very strange experience. Particularly the ones of the kitchen and the roman room.

Do you think they would have to disclose to potential buyers the history of the house? I certainly couldn't stand to live there. *Shudder*

[nanandjim]

Thanks, Army, for posting this. Someone has taken great pains to beautify the home and take it from garish to glorious!

There is more info re the home (from the Dallas tax site) here:

http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailRes.aspx?ID=440014100H0010000

Rather surprisingly, it only has a $161,000 evaluation for the tax rolls. And in 1999, it was only appraising for $112,000. It's also had at least 2 owners since the Routiers (it only goes back as far as 1999, and I'm not exactly sure when Darin sold it, or it was foreclosed).
I agree. That is a really nice looking home. What are the details concerning Darin? Did he sell it? Where is he living? Is his youngest child still living with him?

[Jeana (DP)]

I agree. That is a really nice looking home. What are the details concerning Darin? Did he sell it? Where is he living? Is his youngest child still living with him?


I believe the house was repossessed.
It certainly looks a hell of a lot better than it did when they lived there. Much nicer funiture/decor.
Drake is living with him from what I've heard, but I'm not sure what city they live in - I believe near his folks.

[HeartofTexas]

Dani, when I sold my mother's home, I had to disclose on the real estage agreement that she had died in her home (of natural causes). I'm not sure if that has to continue with each successive buyer/seller or not. And because of the notoriety of this case, I would imagine any real estate agent with good sense would tell any prospective buyer because it would only be a matter of days, if not hours, before a neighbor told them. Unless someone moved from out of state, I can't imagine anyone not knowing the two boys died there.

[bensmom98]

Is the housing market depressed in TX? I paid that for my house 3.5 years ago in VT, and it is only ~1600 sq.ft. Or...are the houses overpriced in the Northeast??? :waitasec:

[Jeana (DP)]

Is the housing market depressed in TX? I paid that for my house 3.5 years ago in VT, and it is only ~1600 sq.ft. Or...are the houses overpriced in the Northeast??? :waitasec:


The prices for houses flucuate greatly even in the same area. There's a lake not too far from the Routier house and some of the lots alone go for $100,000. I live not too far from there in another city and the houses in my area go from between $350,000 to $6 million just within a few miles of one another. However, there's also an older neighborhood where the houses are probably priced closer to the Routier home.

[Goody]

Wow, all of that for only $197,900!

Seems 10 years didn't really change the value of the property.

S
I think Darlie and Darin only paid $132,000 for it three or four years before the murders. You'd have to pull up some comps on other houses in the subdivision that have sold in the last 6 months to come up with a fair market value and determine what the asking price really means. It may just be what the seller is willing to let it go for, with little to do with market value.

I wonder why they are selling.

[Goody]

Property Info$197,900
3 Bed
2.5 Bath
2,970 Sq. Ft.




This is posted on realty.com by the listing agent, which should be pretty accurate.

Also, that family room really was smaller than I thought. I always thought the general area where the bodies, sofas, etc were was congested and smaller than most thought. However, I thought it was due to the way Darlie had arranged the furniture than the limitations of the room itsefl.

Great shot of the kitchen counters.

[Goody]

The prices for houses flucuate greatly even in the same area. There's a lake not too far from the Routier house and some of the lots alone go for $100,000. I live not too far from there in another city and the houses in my area go from between $350,000 to $6 million just within a few miles of one another. However, there's also an older neighborhood where the houses are probably priced closer to the Routier home.
Lakefront properties are always much higher than inland properties. I would not call Dalrock Heights an upscale subdivision. It is probably right on the median prices for the area.

[Goody]

Is the housing market depressed in TX? I paid that for my house 3.5 years ago in VT, and it is only ~1600 sq.ft. Or...are the houses overpriced in the Northeast??? :waitasec:
Housing trends vary from state to state, then vary again within certain areas. The price of the lot determines much in the final price of a new home. If you are in an upscale area, it is going to cost more for less. If you are in a rural areas, you get more for the buck. If you in the suburbs, you tend to get more for the buck compared to the city or less compared to the country. Exceptions are those famous highrises that do the exact opposite.

Best way to figure out how you compare is to find three houses sold in your area (neighborhood) within the last 6 months with square footage within 100 square feet of yours, and average it. Deduct a little for the extras they have and add a little for the extas you have as it applies. (Remember you don't get extra credit for everything and desireability is worth something. Updates may or may not increase your value.)

Then pick three houses in the area you want to compare to and do the same. That will give you a good idea how you compare. Also, only use the selling price. Asking price is irrelevant, so don't try to compare homes currently on the market. You need homes that have sold as close to the last six months as you can get.

As for what parts of the country are overpriced, that is a tough one. Some say California is overpriced, but who is going to price it down? I think they would lynch anyone who tried. People used to come to Tennessee and say our home were overpriced compared to their home state. Unfortunately,there is no way that I know of to judge which state or area is correct in its pricing. You just got to go with the flow.

[HeartofTexas]

There has been a huge housing boom on both coasts in recent years. Many homes have doubled in value in only 5 years, and some in less time than that. It's my understanding that they do expect the housing market on both coasts to begin a downward spiral very soon. Texas housing is much less than in many areas of the country and many regular families can afford to buy a McMansion in Dallas suburbs. There isn't much land involved, however, with most homes sitting on less than 1/5 of an acre.

If Darlie and Darin paid $132,000 for the house in 1993 (the year it was built), and it was only valued at $112,000 in 1999, then I would say the house lost considerable value due to the murders. The current owner can ask $199,000 for it, but if it's on the tax books at $162,000, then I doubt they'll get their full asking price. They might get between $185,000 and $190,000 however. It's also possible the tax books are way out of date and maybe they'll get their full asking price.

[armywife210]

Is the housing market depressed in TX? I paid that for my house 3.5 years ago in VT, and it is only ~1600 sq.ft. Or...are the houses overpriced in the Northeast??? :waitasec:
I live in southern oklahoma, and prices here on houses are pretty good too. I own a brand new 4 bedroom 2 1/2 bath in the same type of neighborhood. In fact, my home looks much like this one. I payed 194,000 for it. Honestly, housing value here would be lower yet if it weren't for the Army base 10 minutes from my house (which is why we bought here). With the additional units being added to Ft Sill, here, the value is higher than it would be.

[beesy]

Also, that family room really was smaller than I thought. I always thought the general area where the bodies, sofas, etc were was congested and smaller than most thought. However, I thought it was due to the way Darlie had arranged the furniture than the limitations of the room itself
Oh I know Goody! I was very shocked! I always figured Darlie had squished too much furniture into that room. The bigger, the better, right? Hmmm, that gives us another clue. You know how some people say Darin just couldn't see Damon at first. They say that's why he didn't help him.Psh...that room was so small he could have seen an ant. You(I think) and I say he didn't help Damon because he didn't want to help him. My theory(and yours?) becomes even more believable when you see how tight of a space was involved. I always thought Devon was much further away than Damon was from "mommy" but he wasn't. There was no room to be.

[beesy]

QUOTE=HeartofTexas]

There has been a huge housing boom on both coasts in recent years. Many homes have doubled in value in only 5 years, and some in less time than that. It's my understanding that they do expect the housing market on both coasts to begin a downward spiral very soon. Texas housing is much less than in many areas of the country and many regular families can afford to buy a McMansion in Dallas suburbs. There isn't much land involved, however, with most homes sitting on less than 1/5 of an acre I have a friend from my hometown who moved to Garland, bought a brand new house in '96 and made alot of money when they sold it in '03. Bought a bigger and nicer new house in Garland in '04, sold that one in '05 and made a profit then too.
If Darlie and Darin paid $132,000 for the house in 1993 (the year it was built), and it was only valued at $112,000 in 1999, then I would say the house lost considerable value due to the murders. The current owner can ask $199,000 for it, but if it's on the tax books at $162,000, then I doubt they'll get their full asking price. They might get between $185,000 and $190,000 however. It's also possible the tax books are way out of date and maybe they'll get their full asking priceThat's what I think too. Especially since it looks so nice, it should fetch alot more than under $200 grand. I'm sure many people think the house is haunted. For those who don't believe that, they know there will be gawkers. Carloads of teens driving by in the night as well as curious tourists, like the people on WB! I wouldn't what to deal with that.

[Goody]

There has been a huge housing boom on both coasts in recent years. Many homes have doubled in value in only 5 years, and some in less time than that. It's my understanding that they do expect the housing market on both coasts to begin a downward spiral very soon. Texas housing is much less than in many areas of the country and many regular families can afford to buy a McMansion in Dallas suburbs. There isn't much land involved, however, with most homes sitting on less than 1/5 of an acre. .
Same thing here. Lots of McMansions! hahahah. Haven't heard that term before but it is a good one.

If Darlie and Darin paid $132,000 for the house in 1993 (the year it was built), and it was only valued at $112,000 in 1999, then I would say the house lost considerable value due to the murders. The current owner can ask $199,000 for it, but if it's on the tax books at $162,000, then I doubt they'll get their full asking price. They might get between $185,000 and $190,000 however. It's also possible the tax books are way out of date and maybe they'll get their full asking price.
Tax appaisals do not drive market price. They might even be higher than what a house will sell for on the open market sometimes. (I used to urge homeowners to get them reduced to save them a few bucks when that happens.) Never go by the tax appraisal when trying to value your home. Go by the home sales in your neighborhood (don't compare a house built in 1958 to one built in 2001 either. Keep them within acceptable ranges)

It is not unusual for a builder to sell a new home for more than the tax accessor appraises it. It is also not unusual for new homes not to increase in value within the first two years. In recent years though, we have had some manipulation by the powers that be to prevent that, but it is not a good thing. Sooner or later someone is bound to get bit.

Only time will tell on Darlie's old house. Let us know when it sells and what the selling price was. It was foreclosed on when they had it, and I imagine with the kitchen sink ripped out and carpets ripped out, etc, that the value did sink for awhile. Don't know how much hands on appraising the TX tax appraiser does. Here 99% of it is done by computer according to grids without any visual to the property except an occassional driveby.

[Goody]

Oh I know Goody! I was very shocked! I always figured Darlie had squished too much furniture into that room. The bigger, the better, right? Hmmm, that gives us another clue. You know how some people say Darin just couldn't see Damon at first. They say that's why he didn't help him.Psh...that room was so small he could have seen an ant. You(I think) and I say he didn't help Damon because he didn't want to help him. My theory(and yours?) becomes even more believable when you see how tight of a space was involved. I always thought Devon was much further away than Damon was from "mommy" but he wasn't. There was no room to be.
It might be possible that he couldn't see Damon if Damon was behind the sofa and Darin walked into the room between the sofas, but I am like you and am squinting a bit on that now too. There must have been only about a foot between the two boys and Damon laid a foot from Darlie where she slept on the sofa. I don't think it would have taken much movement or effort on Darin's part though to see Damon at any given time.

[Goody]

I live in southern oklahoma, and prices here on houses are pretty good too. I own a brand new 4 bedroom 2 1/2 bath in the same type of neighborhood. In fact, my home looks much like this one. I payed 194,000 for it. Honestly, housing value here would be lower yet if it weren't for the Army base 10 minutes from my house (which is why we bought here). With the additional units being added to Ft Sill, here, the value is higher than it would be.
If you are near a military base, I would think the value would rise quicker due to the high turnover rates and quick sale potential. That should give you a bit of an edge over most of the rest of us.

[bensmom98]

I know my house is not overpriced for the area I live in - in fact the town I live in is a bit more affordable than other towns/cities in my county. I knew that living on one of the coasts is more expensive than other parts of the country, but I never appreciated how much more. (The housing market in the Boston area is way higher than Northwestern VT, so I guess it could be worse.)

If that house was in my area I would guess it would easily sell for well over $350,000. Maybe even over 400K. In Boston it would be more like 1/2 to 3/4 of a million. Personally, I think it is a really nice house. Maybe in TX it is more run of the mill (big state, big houses - VT = little state, little houses).

That being said I don't know how anyone could live there knowing what she did to her little boys. :mad:

[StareGirl]

Wow. That is just eerie. Looking at those photos was a very strange experience. Particularly the ones of the kitchen and the roman room.

Do you think they would have to disclose to potential buyers the history of the house? I certainly couldn't stand to live there. *Shudder*
The kitchen ones really turned my stomach.

In some states/counties you do have to notify the next buyer if there was a death in the home. In other states you only need to notify if it was an unnatural death, and in still others no notification is required.

I don't know the law in Texas. Sorry.

[Goody]

In some states/counties you do have to notify the next buyer if there was a death in the home. In other states you only need to notify if it was an unnatural death, and in still others no notification is required.

I don't know the law in Texas. Sorry.
Sounds like you have some real estate experience, too.

[HeartofTexas]

Here's a blurb that might clear up this muddy area:

"In answer to your question about the agency or association that requires the seller's disclosure, the Legal Department of the Texas Association of REALTORS? generated this form to protect sellers as well as its members who represent them. There is no specific law requiring disclosure of a death that resulted from something other than natural causes, suicide, or an accident unrelated to the condition of the property. However, time after time when a buyer discovers that a person was killed at the property and files a court action claiming "had they known about this death they never would have bought the property," they tend to win. So, an upfront disclosure of a death (other than by natural causes, suicide, or an accident unrelated to the condition of the property) is the best approach. By disclosing the death in the Seller?s Disclosure Notice signed by the buyer, you remove the probability of a buyer suing you using the "had I known" complaint. In answer to your question about minimizing "this dark cloud" that's over the townhouse, you are exempted by Texas law from having to complete the Seller's Disclosure Notice if you are the executor of your mother's will. However, please do check with an attorney knowledgeable in such matters before you make a decision not to provide the disclosure even if you are the executor. When in doubt, disclose.

www.texasrealestate.com (http://www.texasrealestate.com)

[Jeana (DP)]

I don't know about anyone else, but before we built our house, we went and introduced ourselves to a few of the neighbors and asked some questions. If the prospective buyer does this, chances are they'll find out real quick what happened.

Personally, living in a house where someone died wouldn't really bother me, but there's no way I'd live in a house where two little boys were butchered as in this case.

[Goody]

I've been out of the business for awhile but Tennessee has a disclosure form that sellers must complete when they lsit their home/ It was started about ten years or so ago as I recall. It is probably similar to the one Texas has. Most companies think it is best to err on the side of caution anyway.

[Goody]

I don't know about anyone else, but before we built our house, we went and introduced ourselves to a few of the neighbors and asked some questions. If the prospective buyer does this, chances are they'll find out real quick what happened.

Personally, living in a house where someone died wouldn't really bother me, but there's no way I'd live in a house where two little boys were butchered as in this case.
Hey, some people take that stuff really seriously. I had one couple who said one house I showed them gave them the creeps. It was a new home, foreclosed on before completed. It was 99% done and livable but most of us felt it was unlikely that anyone had died there. My buyer insisted someone had and we moved on. A few days later I learned that the previous owner had hung himself in the family room due to financial stresses.

[HeartofTexas]

A few days later I learned that the previous owner had hung himself in the family room due to financial stresses.
Wow, that's enough to give you the creeps when someone can sense that something awful has happened in a house. She must have been very intuitive.

[StareGirl]

Sounds like you have some real estate experience, too.
Nope, but add my interest in the law with my interest in the paranormal and you can get the picture ;) (although my aunt is a realtor.)


I was laughing at everyone talking about house prices because where I live that house could easily go for one million dollars.:banghead:

[Dani_T]

I was laughing at everyone talking about house prices because where I live that house could easily go for one million dollars.:banghead:

Same here :)

In fact it would be guaranteed to go for more (unless of course there is some structural damage or something wierd going on)

[Goody]

Wow, that's enough to give you the creeps when someone can sense that something awful has happened in a house. She must have been very intuitive.
Actually, the intuitive one was the husband. He was a construction worker, not the sort you would expect to be senstive in that way at all. But he sure called that one right.

[Goody]

Same here :)

In fact it would be guaranteed to go for more (unless of course there is some structural damage or something wierd going on)
Shoot, what does the average Joe live in? A tent? LOL! Of course, I suppose the hourly wage for the average job is probably higher than it is in areas where the median price for homes is under $130,000. Funny, an 80 acre ranch in the Arizona desert valued at that in a recent lawsuit. So I guess there is still hope for us poor folks yet. hahahahah.

[Dani_T]

Shoot, what does the average Joe live in? A tent? LOL! Of course, I suppose the hourly wage for the average job is probably higher than it is in areas where the median price for homes is under $130,000. Funny, an 80 acre ranch in the Arizona desert valued at that in a recent lawsuit. So I guess there is still hope for us poor folks yet. hahahahah.

Sydney's housing prices are ridiculous- particularly in the area I live in. We had a big boom a few years ago which pushed them up substantially. For example we bought a 2 bedroom unit in a small block in a good suburb for $438 000 and now rent it out for $350 per week.

Some of the newer sections of Sydney are cheaper. A lot of people buy the land and them build a project home. But Sydney itself is just very expensive to live in.

[justice2]

I did that with an apartment once. Me and a girl friend looked at several at different complexes and the last one we looked at, well, we were both coming unglued before we even got back to our car. We had decided someone must have been murdered there but we never followed up on it. Just ran like crazy.

[Goody]

Sydney's housing prices are ridiculous- particularly in the area I live in. We had a big boom a few years ago which pushed them up substantially. For example we bought a 2 bedroom unit in a small block in a good suburb for $438 000 and now rent it out for $350 per week.

Some of the newer sections of Sydney are cheaper. A lot of people buy the land and them build a project home. But Sydney itself is just very expensive to live in.
Wow. Cross Austrailia off my retirement community list. hahahahahaha. I had been thinking about Gulfport, Mississippi or somewhere on the east coast just above Florida. Hmm...could probably get a good buy in Gulfport right now, but, nah, every summer would be ruined for worrying about when the next big one was coming. Tennessee, for all of its lousy weather, is starting to look again again.

TJ wants to retire to England but I am sure the prices there are too rich for his blood, too. Then there is that little thing about terrorists having such easy access to them.

[HeartofTexas]

TJ might want to remember food when he retires, too! The cuisine in England is very different than in America. He would be craving lots of things in no time flat.

[Goody]

TJ might want to remember food when he retires, too! The cuisine in England is very different than in America. He would be craving lots of things in no time flat.
TJ likes all kinds of food, plus he would be retired military so he can shop on the base at Mildenhal (think that is how you spell it). I can't see me over there on any kind of permanent basis. Maybe a lengthly visit, like 6 months at the most.

What I would miss the most would be Mexican Food and the Blooming Onion. hahahahah.

[Dani_T]

TJ likes all kinds of food, plus he would be retired military so he can shop on the base at Mildenhal (think that is how you spell it). I can't see me over there on any kind of permanent basis. Maybe a lengthly visit, like 6 months at the most.

What I would miss the most would be Mexican Food and the Blooming Onion. hahahahah.

I still haven't tried that Blooming Onion!

[Goody]

I still haven't tried that Blooming Onion!
Ohhhhhhhh, it is soooooooo good. Esp in dipped in the mayo/horse radish sauce. What I wouldn't give for one right now. LOL!

[cami]

I just wanted to let y'all know that the former Routier home is now up for sale. I was searching Rowlett for homes on realtor.com and it popped up in front of me. It has a lot of pictures of the home, and you can also go to 5801eagledrive.com The current owner has put that webpage up, and it has a ton of pictures, in and out, of the home. There have been some changes to the homes interior (and exterior, but only slightly) but it made me better understand how the house looked inside and outside. The fountain is gone in front, and the hot tub house has been taken down and what remains appears to be a little deck patio thing.

Thanks, I noticed that big ole fountain is gone.

[cami]

TJ likes all kinds of food, plus he would be retired military so he can shop on the base at Mildenhal (think that is how you spell it). I can't see me over there on any kind of permanent basis. Maybe a lengthly visit, like 6 months at the most.

What I would miss the most would be Mexican Food and the Blooming Onion. hahahahah.

What the heck is a blooming onion? I've heard my very Lancashire mum say that bleeding onion or bloody onion but she was swearing at the onion, not eating it.

I live in an apt btw and have no clue what a house would cost so that's why I've stayed out of this discussion. However, that house would cost at least $500,000 in my neck of Canada with that square footage. Over a million in upper Canada and out west.

I was watching something on the Aussie boom that Dani was talking about and they were literally auctioning off the houses for over a million pounds in Sydney. Australia is very expensive, so is England, Canada not as bad yet.

[HeartofTexas]

Cami, a blooming onion here in Texas is an onion that is cut in a certain way (hard to describe how it's cut!), then dipped in batter and fried, and served with a dipping sauce. They're very good. Not sure if they're the same all over the country, though, so Goody or one of the others might need to give you details on there's.

[Jeana (DP)]

What the heck is a blooming onion? I've heard my very Lancashire mum say that bleeding onion or bloody onion but she was swearing at the onion, not eating it.

I live in an apt btw and have no clue what a house would cost so that's why I've stayed out of this discussion. However, that house would cost at least $500,000 in my neck of Canada with that square footage. Over a million in upper Canada and out west.

I was watching something on the Aussie boom that Dani was talking about and they were literally auctioning off the houses for over a million pounds in Sydney. Australia is very expensive, so is England, Canada not as bad yet.




The Routier house was only what 1700 sq. ft/????? And that would go for $500K in Canada? If that's true, I'm going to put my house on wheels and pack it up for shipment to Canada. I could use a couple mil.

[Jules]

The Routier house was only what 1700 sq. ft/?????

Square footage was listed as 2940 on the website selling the house.

[Jeana (DP)]

Square footage was listed as 2940 on the website selling the house.


Thanks! I thought 1700 seemed small - where did I get that from, I wonder????? Still pretty small though to go for $500K~!~! :D

[Jules]

Thanks! I thought 1700 seemed small - where did I get that from, I wonder????? Still pretty small though to go for $500K~!~! :D

I knew it looked bigger than 1700... ;)

Even at 2940, $500k is high - at least here in the Houston area.

[Jeana (DP)]

I knew it looked bigger than 1700... ;)

Even at 2940, $500k is high - at least here in the Houston area.


That's why I think we need to send our houses up North!!!

[Jules]

That's why I think we need to send our houses up North!!!

I'm with ya!! I could use a few mil too! :crazy:

[Goody]

What the heck is a blooming onion? I've heard my very Lancashire mum say that bleeding onion or bloody onion but she was swearing at the onion, not eating it.
A blooming onion is just as Heart described. It is cut like artichoke leaves if that helps with the imagery. It is all hooked together at the base so it blossoms out. It is dipped in a batter and deep fried. Served piping hot with a special horseradish sauce. O, it is so good.. Kind of like an onion ring dipped in a hot sauce. Other restaurants are now coming up with variations of it. One has onion petals with the hot sauce dip. That one, the onion petals are not hooked to the core. It is served in individual pieces, still deep fried though.

I live in an apt btw and have no clue what a house would cost so that's why I've stayed out of this discussion. However, that house would cost at least $500,000 in my neck of Canada with that square footage. Over a million in upper Canada and out west.

I was watching something on the Aussie boom that Dani was talking about and they were literally auctioning off the houses for over a million pounds in Sydney. Australia is very expensive, so is England, Canada not as bad yet.
Wow! Goody better hunker down and stay where she is.

[cami]

Cami, a blooming onion here in Texas is an onion that is cut in a certain way (hard to describe how it's cut!), then dipped in batter and fried, and served with a dipping sauce. They're very good. Not sure if they're the same all over the country, though, so Goody or one of the others might need to give you details on there's.

Ohhhh yummy that does sound good. I love onions on everything and cooked in everything, LOL.

Yes, I get your drift about the onion being cut so that it resembles a flower blooming probably????? It's like creating a rose from a radish, a bunny from an apple, that sort of thing.

[cami]

The Routier house was only what 1700 sq. ft/????? And that would go for $500K in Canada? If that's true, I'm going to put my house on wheels and pack it up for shipment to Canada. I could use a couple mil.

I think you have your sq. footage wrong there girl.

Well I too think I was a little hasty with my price but I was going by a program I had watched not too long ago and the feature home in my neck of the woods was $4-500,000 but now looking at some listings they are not that expensive. A brand new home in a new development, apprx 3000 sq. ft. goes for $279,000.

I'm looking at a house for sale right now in a suburb of the city I live in. It's a single family bungalow, 975 sq. feet. The asking price is $167,900 Cdn.

There's another one in the same subdivision that is approx. 1736 sq. ft. and they are asking $179,900 Cdn for it.

Well yah you would get more home for your dollar in Canada due to the exchange rates. One American dollar is worth $1.19 Cdn. right now.

[Goody]

I think you have your sq. footage wrong there girl.

.Darlie's is just under 3000 according to the realtor. She should have the most accurate figures.

[Jeana (DP)]

Darlie's is just under 3000 according to the realtor. She should have the most accurate figures.


Yup, we cleared all that up before!! I don't know where Cami's been! :slap:

[Cowgirl]

Any buyer would know about that house within one day of looking at it! My real estate friend says you do have to disclose deaths here too, not because of the law, but because of the litigation if you don't. Those houses are too big for the lots, in my opinion, which is why that stupid fountain looked so out of place that it was actually removed to improve the look of the property.

My son is a contractor in Massachusetts. He always laughs about the prices of the houses down here in Dallas. He says I could not touch the house I have, valued at about $225,000 here, for less than half a million anyplace in Mass and in some places, like Newton or Wellesley, it would cost much, much more. You probably could not insulate my pool room enough to make it practical either, so you would not duplicate it up there with their strict building codes. It would make the price prohibitively high.

I have "lakefront" property, but it is really "swampfront" property--or marshfront, to be more specific! You cannot swim in it--too marshy. The ducks love it but it really is only good to fish in or feed ducks in. The houses across the street without lakefronts or marsh access are valued slightly lower, but not what you might think--only about $20K lower.

And yes, homes in New England are way overvalued!

And didn't Outback Steak House start those bloomin onions? I love them too--they slice an onion like sections of an orange and dip it in batter and deep fry it. Yummy.

[beesy]

[QUOTE]I have "lakefront" property, but it is really "swampfront" property--or marshfront, to be more specific! You cannot swim in it--too marshy. The ducks love it but it really is only good to fish in or feed ducks in. The houses across the street without lakefronts or marsh access are valued slightly lower, but not what you might think--only about $20K lower Ha! I'm picturing mosquitoes galore!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_5.gif
And didn't Outback Steak House start those bloomin onions? I love them too--they slice an onion like sections of an orange and dip it in batter and deep fry it. Yummy Yeah, Outback Steak House started them. Slicing like oranges sections is a good description still attached at the bottom. I think we've discussed the Bloomin' Onion to death now..lol

[beesy]

Should I chime in here? We've got a 2600 sq ft. house that we paid $94,000 for. And no it's not falling down. It could use a decorater, but the houses in this part of VA are more laid back than what I've seen in the Dallas area. And no, it's not in a bad neighborhood and it's not a poor little mill town. It's a well off paper mill town. Even the nicest homes don't have all those BIG drapes and fancy doo dads on the walls, etc. Our house has a big front porch, with a swing, a breakfast nook, kitchen(duh), formal dining room, living room, large foyer, family room, 3 full baths and 3 large bedrooms on about 1/2 acre for less than $95,000! And I love it because it was built about 1920 by one of the original owners of the paper mill. Lots of history, and no creepy feelings.

[Goody]

Yup, we cleared all that up before!! I don't know where Cami's been! :slap:
O. LOL! Probably with me.

[HeartofTexas]

Well, I see the house has already dropped $8,000 in price since this thread started. It's now priced at $189,900, which puts it closer to what I thought it would go for.

[beesy]

Maybe everybody else already knows this and I'm just a dork, but have you noticed that the link to the former Routier home is on the JFD website?

[HeartofTexas]

No, I didn't know that and for some reason it strikes me as very odd that they would feel a need to include it on their site. But then, I've found ALL of their actions odd from the night of the murders, clear on through to the present day!

[Marine Mom]

Should I chime in here? We've got a 2600 sq ft. house that we paid $94,000 for. And no it's not falling down. It could use a decorater, but the houses in this part of VA are more laid back than what I've seen in the Dallas area. And no, it's not in a bad neighborhood and it's not a poor little mill town. It's a well off paper mill town. Even the nicest homes don't have all those BIG drapes and fancy doo dads on the walls, etc. Our house has a big front porch, with a swing, a breakfast nook, kitchen(duh), formal dining room, living room, large foyer, family room, 3 full baths and 3 large bedrooms on about 1/2 acre for less than $95,000! And I love it because it was built about 1920 by one of the original owners of the paper mill. Lots of history, and no creepy feelings.

Sounds like the small Virginia paper mill town I grew up in. Beautiful.

[HeartofTexas]

Would anyone be willing to tell me the names of some of the papermill towns in Virginia? I grew up in Virginia, and sometimes think of moving back there... but don't really know any areas to investigate and check on real estate prices. I do know that I could never afford to go back to the area I grew up in... Virginia Beach. The prices there are through the roof!

[beesy]

Sounds like the small Virginia paper mill town I grew up in. Beautiful. Umm....which VA paper mill town? Wouldn't that be wild?

[Marine Mom]

Umm....which VA paper mill town? Wouldn't that be wild?
Covington.

[beesy]

Would anyone be willing to tell me the names of some of the papermill towns in Virginia? I grew up in Virginia, and sometimes think of moving back there... but don't really know any areas to investigate and check on real estate prices. I do know that I could never afford to go back to the area I grew up in... Virginia Beach. The prices there are through the roof! Well, I live in Franklin, which is about 50-60 miles west of Va Beach/Norfolk. The paper mill was called Union Camp or Camp's by the locals. It was bought out by International Paper about 10 yrs ago.

[beesy]

Covington. oh well, darn! I was just about to get all freaked out about meeting a fellow Franklinite online. LOL..where is Covington and which mill?

[Marine Mom]

Beesy, I was bracing myself but it didn't happen. :)

HeartofTexas, Mead/Westvaco is the heart and soal of Covington. If it ever went under, the town would shrivel up. We say there's 10,000 people, but that's stretching it. Huge, lovely old homes with high ceilings, humongus rooms, oversized wrap around porches...millionaires and average folks live in the same neighborhoods. Very few people "put on airs." And the view!

[Marine Mom]

oh well, darn! I was just about to get all freaked out about meeting a fellow Franklinite online. LOL..where is Covington and which mill?

Covington is up in the mountains about an hour from Roanoke. Nice roads, pretty scenery.

Before the Mead Westvaco merge, it was just Westvaco. A big old stinky plant that took up over half the town. Daddy worked there until he retired. But the plant smelled good on paydays!

[HeartofTexas]

Wow, Beesy, that's an incredible location! That would be so perfect for me, too. Close enough to the beach to be able to drive there and occasionally enjoy it, but not so close that hurricanes would destroy too much (I hope!) and reasonable prices on homes.

MarineMom, I did a search of papermill towns in Va. yesterday and Covington was the one that came up... so I visited several sites for your town. Lovely place. I want so much to return to my Virginia roots.

[beesy]

[QUOTE]
Wow, Beesy, that's an incredible location! That would be so perfect for me, too. Close enough to the beach to be able to drive there and occasionally enjoy it, but not so close that hurricanes would destroy too much (I hope!) and reasonable prices on homesClose to the Outer Banks too. Richmond isn't very far away either or DC. I left town for about ten years to get my BA and MS, then came back with a husband in tow. We'd been looking and looking for a house all over town. This one was for sale by owner and we eventually saw it. I walked in the back door and knew I wanted it. I managed to play it cool though. LOL:cool:
We have had trouble with 2 hurricanes in the past few years. Floyd in '99 flooded our old downtown and Isabel in '03 did some damage, but most of the hurricanes lose their strength when they pass over the Outer Banks. Good news is that we bounced back quickly. There were no deaths or homeless either.

http://www.ci.franklin.va.us/defaultnext.htm

[beesy]

[QUOTE]
Beesy, I was bracing myself but it didn't happen. :) LOL you sound relieved!
Mead/Westvaco is the heart and soal of Covington. If it ever went under, the town would shrivel up. We say there's 10,000 people, but that's stretching it. Huge, lovely old homes with high ceilings, humongus rooms, oversized wrap around porches...millionaires and average folks live in the same neighborhoods. Very few people "put on airs." And the view!
Yep, yep, sounds just like Franklin. UC is the bloodlife of our town. Most of us still have trouble calling it IP. Our next door neighbor's house is HUGE, but then the one on the other side is under 1,000 sq ft. We don't have that wonderful mountain view, but we do have the beaches, some within an hour's drive. We have about 8,000 people here. Before the govt. made the mill clean itself up, you could only hang laundry on certain days, unless you wanted black soot on your clean clothes. We can't smell it much anymore, only on days when the clouds are low pushing the smell towards us.
Here's the link: http://www.ci.franklin.va.us/defaultnext.htm

[Marine Mom]

Silly Beesy. I was bracing myself to be excited. Really.

I clicked your link. The Cemetary Rules and Regulations are typical of what is important to small towns. On the home page!

It looks just like Main Street in my home town. One of our websites boasts the fine funeral homes in the area complete with photos.

[NewMom2003]

Looking at the pictures of this house made me so sad. Two little boys used to run around that yard and up and down the stairs there before they were brutally murdered. It's just so sad. I could never live in a house where something like that happened. Even is someone had never heard of the Routier case, surely they would find out before they bought the house because of the noteriety of the case.

[Jules]

I could never live in a house where something like that happened.

Me neither. No way. I'd never sleep. Awful, just awful. :(

[Jeana (DP)]

Me neither. No way. I'd never sleep. Awful, just awful. :(


After I received all of the books and especially MTJD, I was pretty freaked out about this whole thing. I never sleep good anyway, but I kept waking up at the same time every night. Turns out to be very close to the time of the murders. I had to take a step back from talking about this case and think about other things. I don't even like looking at that house. I'd never go into it, much less buy the damn thing. I think it should just be torn down.

[j2mirish]

Looking at the pictures of this house made me so sad. Two little boys used to run around that yard and up and down the stairs there before they were brutally murdered. It's just so sad. I could never live in a house where something like that happened. Even is someone had never heard of the Routier case, surely they would find out before they bought the house because of the noteriety of the case.
Nope--- Not me either..as silly as it sounds, I even feel sorry for the house itself-- can you imagine how sad "it" must be too? IT also knows exactly what happened that night.....

Jeana said some neighbors had some things they bought or were given from the house--- again.....wouldnt be in my house :( (http://websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

[Jules]

After I received all of the books and especially MTJD, I was pretty freaked out about this whole thing. I never sleep good anyway, but I kept waking up at the same time every night. Turns out to be very close to the time of the murders. I had to take a step back from talking about this case and think about other things. I don't even like looking at that house. I'd never go into it, much less buy the damn thing. I think it should just be torn down.

Jeana, I'm the same way. I took a criminal psych course many years ago and studied Manson throughout the course. I had read several things about he and his followers doing "creepy crawls" where they would enter someone's home - silently - rearrange things and leave. People would wake up the next morning and their furniture would be turned the other way, etc. It creeped me out so bad that I was afraid to sleep. Any noise and I bolted out of bed. I had to take a step back too and focus on other things. To this day I'm a light sleeper though and will jump at a noise.

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana, I'm the same way. I took a criminal psych course many years ago and studied Manson throughout the course. I had read several things about he and his followers doing "creepy crawls" where they would enter someone's home - silently - rearrange things and leave. People would wake up the next morning and their furniture would be turned the other way, etc. It creeped me out so bad that I was afraid to sleep. Any noise and I bolted out of bed. I had to take a step back too and focus on other things. To this day I'm a light sleeper though and will jump at a noise.


Its strange how it gets into one's subconscience, isn't it? I would wake up at the same time as the murders and HAVE to go in and check on my kids, and then I was up for the rest of the day. No going back to sleep.
I wonder how Darlie sleeps. :furious:

[IrishMist]

I couldn't live in the house on Eagle Drive. Nor could I live in the house where JonBenet died.
This thought has honestly crossed my mind sooo many times! I'd be TOTALLY creeped out!

[sue1017]

Calling Marine Mom,

Just a question. Is your real name Tami? Curious b/c I just read a blog comment on MSN spaces and it was signed Marine Mom.

I know there are many MMs but just was wondering if it was you!

S

[Goody]

Maybe everybody else already knows this and I'm just a dork, but have you noticed that the link to the former Routier home is on the JFD website?
That is a bit odd. Apparently the website owner finds anything connected to the murders of interest. I wonder why.

[Goody]

No, I didn't know that and for some reason it strikes me as very odd that they would feel a need to include it on their site. But then, I've found ALL of their actions odd from the night of the murders, clear on through to the present day!
JFD site is not the family. That owner is a long time supporter though. As far as I know the family has not put a link to the house for sale stuff on their site (fordarlieroutier.com).

[Goody]

Beesy, I was bracing myself but it didn't happen. :)

HeartofTexas, Mead/Westvaco is the heart and soal of Covington. If it ever went under, the town would shrivel up. We say there's 10,000 people, but that's stretching it. Huge, lovely old homes with high ceilings, humongus rooms, oversized wrap around porches...millionaires and average folks live in the same neighborhoods. Very few people "put on airs." And the view!
Wow! Sounds like my aunt's house in Appomattox. I loved it. It was a fine old home on a huge lot with humungous old trees. I can't remember the porch exactly but it had high ceilings and hardwood floors, a screened in porch, a sitting room or parlor just off the foyer and a big living room off the foyer the other way. I suppose it is modest compared to what you are talking about, but me in my little girl's mind found many things to fantasize about it. I always thought Appomattox would be a lovely place to grow up. Everybody knows everybody there.

[Goody]

Would anyone be willing to tell me the names of some of the papermill towns in Virginia? I grew up in Virginia, and sometimes think of moving back there... but don't really know any areas to investigate and check on real estate prices. I do know that I could never afford to go back to the area I grew up in... Virginia Beach. The prices there are through the roof!
Aren't there a lot of coal mines in VA too?

I always thought Virginia Beach would be a great place to retire. Never hear of any hurricanes up there, but then winters are cold, aren't they?

I have cousins in Richmond or used to. I wonder what they are all doing now.

[Goody]

Before the govt. made the mill clean itself up, you could only hang laundry on certain days, unless you wanted black soot on your clean clothes. We can't smell it much anymore, only on days when the clouds are low pushing the smell towards us.
Here's the link: http://www.ci.franklin.va.us/defaultnext.htm
How are your lungs?

[Goody]

Looking at the pictures of this house made me so sad. Two little boys used to run around that yard and up and down the stairs there before they were brutally murdered. It's just so sad. I could never live in a house where something like that happened. Even is someone had never heard of the Routier case, surely they would find out before they bought the house because of the noteriety of the case.
Hi, new mom. I love your signature. I remember those days. hahahahahah.

I once lived in an apt in an old house that we swore was haunted. All kinds of strange things were always happening. Later we learned that the house used to be a funeral home before converted to apts. Never made sense to me why spirits would hang out there since they were already dead when they arrived, but they were definitely there. Very creepy. So I don't think I would ever want to live in a house where someine died a violent death. They say that souls whose bodies die suddenly and violently sometimes can't find their way to the light, they get confused I guess. Whatever, I think if one did live in a house where someone was murdered, it would be so easy to get so caught up in the dead's life and what happened to them that it could ruin their life even if the place wasn't haunted.

[Goody]

After I received all of the books and especially MTJD, I was pretty freaked out about this whole thing. I never sleep good anyway, but I kept waking up at the same time every night. Turns out to be very close to the time of the murders. I had to take a step back from talking about this case and think about other things. I don't even like looking at that house. I'd never go into it, much less buy the damn thing. I think it should just be torn down.
You've heard me talk of my friend who was killed by her husband and they were never able to pin it on him? Well, get this......about a year or so after the murder, I needed a ride to work so I called down there and one of the guys said he would said someone over to pick me up. (There was snow on the ground and Goody doesn't drive in snow.) Anyway, guess who they sent? I couldn't believe it. And when I got out there to meet him, guess what he was driving. It was his wife's car that he had just gotten back from police impound. The car that had been parked in the hotel parking lot with her body stuffed in the trunk for 10 days. I was terrified but I didn't want him to know, so I made myself sit in the passenger seat. I just knew she was going to pop in the back seat and start screaming that he did it. (By then I knew he had) I sat rigid all the way to work, and when I got there as soon as I could I took the fellow, who had sent him, aside and chewed his butt out. I swear if anything had happened on that ride to the shop, my face would have cracked. That is how tense I was. I couldn't believe he was driving that car around like nothing had happened. <shudder>

[j2mirish]

You've heard me talk of my friend who was killed by her husband and they were never able to pin it on him? Well, get this......about a year or so after the murder, I needed a ride to work so I called down there and one of the guys said he would said someone over to pick me up. (There was snow on the ground and Goody doesn't drive in snow.) Anyway, guess who they sent? I couldn't believe it. And when I got out there to meet him, guess what he was driving. It was his wife's car that he had just gotten back from police impound. The car that had been parked in the hotel parking lot with her body stuffed in the trunk for 10 days. I was terrified but I didn't want him to know, so I made myself sit in the passenger seat. I just knew she was going to pop in the back seat and start screaming that he did it. (By then I knew he had) I sat rigid all the way to work, and when I got there as soon as I could I took the fellow, who had sent him, aside and chewed his butt out. I swear if anything had happened on that ride to the shop, my face would have cracked. That is how tense I was. I couldn't believe he was driving that car around like nothing had happened. <shudder>
you're a brave woman Goody!! I cant imagine getting in the car!!:chicken:

[HeartofTexas]

Geez, Goody, what an insensitive coworker to send a likely murderer to pick you up, and in the car the body was found in, no less! With my overactive imagination, I can't see me handling that ride too well! LOL!

I was much younger when I lived in Virginia. Our winter home was in Norfolk, but our summer home was at Va. Beach. Well, actually a private end of Va. Beach called Sandbridge. We lived down there from Memorial Day to Labor day every summer, and it was glorious! I really miss the East Coast and the sense of history it has. It may just be a dream to move back to Virginia, but I'm not giving up on my dream yet! And yes, winters can be cold there but I don't remember it as being horrible. I don't think Va's winters are as bad as many areas on the East Coast. Of course, I've been away for so long that I could be very wrong!

Beesy, I can't find any local real estate companies on the web for your area. I've found plenty to do with cemetaries, though! LOL! Do you recall the names of any local real estate companies that might show some properties online? I'm not particularly interested in the newer homes, although I might have to settle for them.

[Marine Mom]

Calling Marine Mom,

Just a question. Is your real name Tami? Curious b/c I just read a blog comment on MSN spaces and it was signed Marine Mom.

I know there are many MMs but just was wondering if it was you!

S


No, it's not Tami. Just another proud Marine Mom. ;)

[Jeana (DP)]

You've heard me talk of my friend who was killed by her husband and they were never able to pin it on him? Well, get this......about a year or so after the murder, I needed a ride to work so I called down there and one of the guys said he would said someone over to pick me up. (There was snow on the ground and Goody doesn't drive in snow.) Anyway, guess who they sent? I couldn't believe it. And when I got out there to meet him, guess what he was driving. It was his wife's car that he had just gotten back from police impound. The car that had been parked in the hotel parking lot with her body stuffed in the trunk for 10 days. I was terrified but I didn't want him to know, so I made myself sit in the passenger seat. I just knew she was going to pop in the back seat and start screaming that he did it. (By then I knew he had) I sat rigid all the way to work, and when I got there as soon as I could I took the fellow, who had sent him, aside and chewed his butt out. I swear if anything had happened on that ride to the shop, my face would have cracked. That is how tense I was. I couldn't believe he was driving that car around like nothing had happened. <shudder>

That's one of the creepiest things I've ever heard!!!

[sue1017]

No, it's not Tami. Just another proud Marine Mom. ;)
Thanks for curing my curiosity!!!

Now I can sleep tonight:p .

S

[Jules]

You've heard me talk of my friend who was killed by her husband and they were never able to pin it on him? Well, get this......about a year or so after the murder, I needed a ride to work so I called down there and one of the guys said he would said someone over to pick me up. (There was snow on the ground and Goody doesn't drive in snow.) Anyway, guess who they sent? I couldn't believe it. And when I got out there to meet him, guess what he was driving. It was his wife's car that he had just gotten back from police impound. The car that had been parked in the hotel parking lot with her body stuffed in the trunk for 10 days. I was terrified but I didn't want him to know, so I made myself sit in the passenger seat. I just knew she was going to pop in the back seat and start screaming that he did it. (By then I knew he had) I sat rigid all the way to work, and when I got there as soon as I could I took the fellow, who had sent him, aside and chewed his butt out. I swear if anything had happened on that ride to the shop, my face would have cracked. That is how tense I was. I couldn't believe he was driving that car around like nothing had happened. <shudder>

Oh Goody, how awful. I don't think I could have gotten in the car. That is very creepy. So sorry to hear about your friend.

[Goody]

you're a brave woman Goody!! I cant imagine getting in the car!!:chicken:
It was one of my gothic novel transferred to real life days. eeeeeeek!

[Goody]

Geez, Goody, what an insensitive coworker to send a likely murderer to pick you up, and in the car the body was found in, no less! With my overactive imagination, I can't see me handling that ride too well! LOL!
Well, nobody is perfect! :D

I was much younger when I lived in Virginia. Our winter home was in Norfolk, but our summer home was at Va. Beach. Well, actually a private end of Va. Beach called Sandbridge. We lived down there from Memorial Day to Labor day every summer, and it was glorious! I really miss the East Coast and the sense of history it has. It may just be a dream to move back to Virginia, but I'm not giving up on my dream yet! And yes, winters can be cold there but I don't remember it as being horrible. I don't think Va's winters are as bad as many areas on the East Coast. Of course, I've been away for so long that I could be very wrong!

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Sounds wonderful. But hate snow and ice worse than chocolate covered liver balls! O, where has my beautiful California gone???? I just hate it that they let inflation eat it up like that. Keeps the likes of Goody out. grrrrrrrrr....

[Goody]

That's one of the creepiest things I've ever heard!!!
aaaahahahahahahhaahah! Didn't mean to freak you out, girl. LOL! Yes, it was about the worst to ever happen to ol' Goody.

[Goody]

Oh Goody, how awful. I don't think I could have gotten in the car. That is very creepy. So sorry to hear about your friend.
O, she was a wonderful girl. A lot like Laci, I think, except she was blonde. Only 27 when she died. A warm, friendly girl who went home that day to tell her cheating husband (she had only caught him 5 times with the same woman and that didn't even count all the others) that she wanted a divorce. They say he hit her straight in the nose with his fist, knocked her unconscious, then laid her down where she choked to death on her own blood. They said he had sat her up instead, it would not have killed her because it was really just a minor injury. They never could place her at the house though so they couldn't prove she ever made it home that night from work. He said she hadn't. It was very sad.

[j2mirish]

O, she was a wonderful girl. A lot like Laci, I think, except she was blonde. Only 27 when she died. A warm, friendly girl who went home that day to tell her cheating husband (she had only caught him 5 times with the same woman and that didn't even count all the others) that she wanted a divorce. They say he hit her straight in the nose with his fist, knocked her unconscious, then laid her down where she choked to death on her own blood. They said he had sat her up instead, it would not have killed her because it was really just a minor injury. They never could place her at the house though so they couldn't prove she ever made it home that night from work. He said she hadn't. It was very sad.

:blowkiss: oh goody- I am so sorry - how horrible..........

[HeartofTexas]

Goody, I'm so sad to hear about your friend. I read all the time about how asking for a divorce is a dangerous time for a woman (and sometimes for a man, too) but it must be so heartbreaking when it happens to a friend. It sickens me to realize he got off for this crime.

[Goody]

Goody, I'm so sad to hear about your friend. I read all the time about how asking for a divorce is a dangerous time for a woman (and sometimes for a man, too) but it must be so heartbreaking when it happens to a friend. It sickens me to realize he got off for this crime.
The worst part about it is how everyone looked up to him before it happened. He was the guy with the white collar job, seemingly successful and had just fallen on some bad luck (getting caught up the 80's downsizing). Most wives thought he was a good example on their husbands, but we didn't know about his cheating and drugging and other lowlife activities. Once we did, he sort of became our poster boy for creeps. I wish she had confided in me. I think she didn't because our husbands were friends and her husband was abusive. She was probably afraid I would mention it to mine and he'd say something to hers. Such a sad case, a waste of a lovely life. I have always wondered how she ended up with him. She was so attractive and intelligent. She would never use such bad judgment at her job. What happens in our personal life, that we screw up so often by picking men so far beneath us socially and morally?

[j2mirish]

The worst part about it is how everyone looked up to him before it happened. He was the guy with the white collar job, seemingly successful and had just fallen on some bad luck (getting caught up the 80's downsizing). Most wives thought he was a good example on their husbands, but we didn't know about his cheating and drugging and other lowlife activities. Once we did, he sort of became our poster boy for creeps. I wish she had confided in me. I think she didn't because our husbands were friends and her husband was abusive. She was probably afraid I would mention it to mine and he'd say something to hers. Such a sad case, a waste of a lovely life. I have always wondered how she ended up with him. She was so attractive and intelligent. She would never use such bad judgment at her job. What happens in our personal life, that we screw up so often by picking men so far beneath us socially and morally?
maybe the smoke and mirrors they throw at woman? dont know- I dont understand that either Goody-

[armywife210]

I find it VERY odd that the website for the house is listed on the JFD site. Not that I would hide it if I were the seller, I would be outright with it. However why allow it to be advertised on a site that promotes Darlies innocence? I wonder if the current owners believe in her innocence. The way it is on the JFD site, the current owners would have to agree to have it on there.
I am one of the few that do believe in her innocence. I have posted on here before about it. I am not closed minded about this, but I just don't believe those little boys died at the hands of their mother.
Something is very odd about the whole situation.
I also dont believe that she is pond scum as many people think she is. I little ditzy maybe, but then again so can I be at times. Needy of attention, yes. But that comes with not having that Daddy love growing up. Darlie had a need to be validated, she didnt have the ability to give herself that. She wasnt taught that. The boob job, the THINGS, the spending... all failing attempts at self gratification in my opinion.
But I dont think that makes one able to kill her little boys to get attention, or to free herself.
I dont think she was a strong enough person to hurt herself the way she would have had to. Quite the contrary. I think she was very weak. She liked to outwardly appear strong, because that is how she wanted to be. But she wasnt a strong person. It takes a lot of personal strength to do that to yourself.
I also think she did love her boys.
Another thing I think is that people got caught up in noteriety when things were surfacing and fingers were pointed at Darlie. Perhaps things were blown out of proportion a lot by neighbors who remembered "that one time when"... As a woman, I have mood swings at times. Not often, but I have had to apologize to my girls a couple of times for not handling things in the best way. Stress and hormones do not contribute to perfection.
As for the evidence, or lack there of, I think a lot of things were held back.
But that is where I stand.

[Dani_T]

wonder if the current owners believe in her innocence. The way it is on the JFD site, the current owners would have to agree to have it on there.
I am one of the few that do believe in her innocence.

Yes, they do very much believe in her innocence. They used to run her 'official' site I believe until about 2 years ago when it suddenly disappeared and the family developed the www.fordarlieroutier.org one now. About a year or so ago the Just Darlie (JFD) site reappeared but if you look down the bottom in fine light grey print is the words 'Not associated with the Routier family'.

I'm just theorising here but I would suspect one of two things happened
1) there was some kind of disagreement between the current Just Darlie people and the family and they went their separate ways. However, the Just Darlie site is very extensive and has access to certain photos and video clips that I would suspect not just anyone could get their hands on. They even have high resolution images of the gallery shots available for law enforcement and forensic experts (hmmm- wonder if you would qualify DP??!!).
2) Darlie's legal team advised the family to distance themselves from the JFD people for legal reasons which might impede Darlie.

Whatever the case, they are absolutely committed to her innocence (and have been on the bandwagon for a long time) and have got their act together in a way that the family certainly doesn't. That might be on purpose but who knows?

Mary might be able to give a bit more background on the Just Darlie people. All I know is that I emailed them once when we discovered the site was back up and they were horrifed that anyone had actually found it and was looking at it because it wasn't ready (so don't make it live if you don't want people looking at it!). So they yanked it down and then about 6 months later it reappeard in it's present form.

[Goody]

Stress and hormones do not contribute to perfection.[/QUOTE

But they often do contribute to murder. It is a sad but very true fact, so you can't just rule it out like ti doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=armywife210]As for the evidence, or lack there of, I think a lot of things were held back.
But that is where I stand.
A lot of us would prefer the killer not be Darlie, but when the evidence points straight at her, it can't be ignored. You say some evidence was held back? Do you know what?

Are you of the mind that Darin did it and Darlie is covering up for him? Or does she not even realize he did it?

[beesy]

Aren't there a lot of coal mines in VA too? No
[QUOTE]I always thought Virginia Beach would be a great place to retire. Never hear of any hurricanes up there, but then winters are cold, aren't they?
I have cousins in Richmond or used to. I wonder what they are all doing now Most hurricanes peter out by the time they hit up here. The Outerbanks, NC sticks much further out into the ocean and when it hits there, it dies down. I live about 50 miles west of Va Beach/Norfolk so get about the same weather. Sometimes it's hotter out here though without the ocean breezes. My town had some local flooding during Floyd of '99 and Isabel of '03 http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_1_65v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) slammed most of VA except way up in the mountains. And it's not FL, so we get some snow/ice. It's rare for it to even stay on the ground more than 2 days. The funny thing is everything shuts down because we have no snow equipment at all. One frozen drop on a back road shuts down all schools and businesses except military and emergency personnel It's quite funny. I'm speaking of VB/Norfolk too. Link to my hometown: http://www.ci.franklin.va.us/
link to VB: http://www.vbgov.com/default/
link to Norfolk: http://www.norfolk.gov/

[beesy]

How are your lungs? LOL way before my time....more like the '20's and '30's

[beesy]

Beesy, I can't find any local real estate companies on the web for your area. I've found plenty to do with cemetaries, though! LOL! Do you recall the names of any local real estate companies that might show some properties online? I'm not particularly interested in the newer homes, although I might have to settle for them.http://www.venturepropertiesinc.com/

http://www.century21.com/meet/office_detail.aspx?office_key=10005995

http://www.williamewood.com/offices/franklin.html

Link to relocation: http://www.discoverourtown.com/TownPage.php?Town=295&Cat=Relocation

[Goody]

No
Most hurricanes peter out by the time they hit up here. The Outerbanks, NC sticks much further out into the ocean and when it hits there, it dies down. I live about 50 miles west of Va Beach/Norfolk so get about the same weather. Sometimes it's hotter out here though without the ocean breezes. My town had some local flooding during Floyd of '99 and Isabel of '03 http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_1_65v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) slammed most of VA except way up in the mountains. And it's not FL, so we get some snow/ice. It's rare for it to even stay on the ground more than 2 days. The funny thing is everything shuts down because we have no snow equipment at all. One frozen drop on a back road shuts down all schools and businesses except military and emergency personnel It's quite funny. I'm speaking of VB/Norfolk too. Link to my hometown: http://www.ci.franklin.va.us/
link to VB: http://www.vbgov.com/default/
link to Norfolk: http://www.norfolk.gov/LOL! It said I was Visitor #1. LOL!

Isn't there a point where Virginia, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania all meet...maybe there is the tip of another state, too???....aren't there a lot of coal mines there? Scott County Virginia is near the PA border, isn't it?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_4_4v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzeb005YYUS) Your winters sound like ours. When we do get something, it is usually ice. It snows maybe three times per winter. The first time is barely a dusting, the second time it melts off the next day or two, and the third time is the big one. It might be around for a week or so. And we shut our schools down every time. The bridges out in the country are dangerous when they ice up.

We only get about two months of cold weather, real cold weathe,r and during the day it is in the 30s and 40s mostly. A lot better than winter in Chicago, Wisconsin, and Michigan, etc.

VA beach is where Edgar Cayce is from. Isn't there a museum and a learning institute or something there? And Appomattox is an education in the civil war in itself. Amazing that it has remained so small and quaint.

[Goody]

LOL way before my time....more like the '20's and '30's
Gotcha ya.

[HeartofTexas]

LOL, Goody, it said I was visitor #1 also. I guess it's out to make everyone who visits feel special!

Beesy, thanks so much for the listing of real estate companies. I'm on Century 21 Gold Mark now and have found my dream home... well, except for the fact that it costs too much! Darn. Here it is:

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=N

[j2mirish]

LOL, Goody, it said I was visitor #1 also. I guess it's out to make everyone who visits feel special!

Beesy, thanks so much for the listing of real estate companies. I'm on Century 21 Gold Mark now and have found my dream home... well, except for the fact that it costs too much! Darn. Here it is:

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=N
heart- heres an idea-- we split the house-- My baggage is 2 kids, husband, 2 cats- dog and 2 birds.....I will get rid of our fish....whatcha think?? LOL

[HeartofTexas]

Is there any chance we could keep the fish and get rid of the husband??? Just kidding! That house is way too big for just me and my nephew... it's got a kazillion bedrooms! It does look like a lovely home, though, doesn't it.

[Goody]

LOL, Goody, it said I was visitor #1 also. I guess it's out to make everyone who visits feel special!

Beesy, thanks so much for the listing of real estate companies. I'm on Century 21 Gold Mark now and have found my dream home... well, except for the fact that it costs too much! Darn. Here it is:

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=NI forgot to look at the price, but you might want to rethink this.
No air, and heats with oil.
Wood siding so it takes lots of maintenance
It is in the downtown area, and that may be good or not so good.


Style: Victorian
Construction: Frame
Rooms: Formal Dining Room, Formal Living Room
Basement: Crawl Space
Garage: 1 Car Garage
Air Conditioning: No A/C


Exterior: Wood Siding
Heat: Forced Air - Oil
Lot Size: Under 1/2 Acre
Water: City
Sewer: City
Age: Over 50 Years Old

[HeartofTexas]

Thanks, Goody... I couldn't live without a/c! Not after all these years in Texas.

[Goody]

Thanks, Goody... I couldn't live without a/c! Not after all these years in Texas.
I could not either. Not even on the ocean. LOL!

[beesy]

LOL, Goody, it said I was visitor #1 also. I guess it's out to make everyone who visits feel special!

Beesy, thanks so much for the listing of real estate companies. I'm on Century 21 Gold Mark now and have found my dream home... well, except for the fact that it costs too much! Darn. Here it is:

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=N That house is right around the corner from me! The streets are separated by a small road. It's in a really nice area, the historic district, as is ours. Our old Downtown has been revamped and is filled with houses like that. That house was just renovated this past year. So you can see the price differences in houses so close together like I said before. I can't believe they didn't put in A/C when they updated though. Odd. We have oil heat too. In the winter our electric bill is only about $75. Even with the oil prices being raised, it's still cheaper than running the electric heat all winter. And toastier, I love it. It is priced pretty steep, I doubt they'll get that for it. They are most likely trying to recoup the cost of the renovation. I thought it was older than that, but guess not.

[beesy]

[QUOTE]
Isn't there a point where Virginia, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania all meet...maybe there is the tip of another state, too???....aren't there a lot of coal mines there? Scott County Virginia is near the PA border, isn't itI really don't know. I don't think VA has coal mines though. If they do, it's not many. WV and PA are loaded with coal mines.
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VA beach is where Edgar Cayce is from. Isn't there a museum and a learning institute or something there? And Appomattox is an education in the civil war in itself. Amazing that it has remained so small and quaint.
Yeah Edgar Cayce's Foundation is near the Oceanfront somewhere. Jamestown, which is the 1st permanent Eng. colony in America is maybe 65 miles away. So is Colonial Williamsburg. Appomattox is about a 3 hour drive. There is tons of history in this part of VA since it's so close to Jamestown. I used to be the Director of a historic house museum.

[armywife210]

A lot of us would prefer the killer not be Darlie, but when the evidence points straight at her, it can't be ignored. You say some evidence was held back? Do you know what?

Are you of the mind that Darin did it and Darlie is covering up for him? Or does she not even realize he did it?
Sorry I didnt reply sooner. I havent been on since my last post. If it was Darin, Darlie didn't realize it. Truthfully I think that she was so traumatized, in shock, and yea I do think that she passed out either from lack of oxygen or shock, that she wouldn't have known it was Darin if it had been. She would have no reason to cover for him. Maybe she refuses to believe that it could be him. There are a lot of senerio's that I still see as very plausible, more plausible than suddenly taking a dive off into the deep end and stabbing her kids.
A lot has been said about "overkill" with the boys. I don't see it that way. Devon was only stabbed twice. I do believe he tried to get up which resulted in the second stab wound. He is the one that was the most difficult for Darlie. The rage would have been taken out on him if she'd done it.
Damon, momma's boy, was the one with "overkill", but if you look at it from a different angle it might not have been rage but more because the poor little guy wouldn't die! I think he moved around and was able to fight more, resulting in stab wounds hitting bone, and so many of them.
I have a few different theories, some involving Darin directly or indirectly, and some not.
I have studied the evidence. I have been so intrigued with this case since it happened. SOOO I am certainly not going on Christopher Wayne Browns word. Good grief, where was he going with his ideas? Devon was right handed so he always laid on his right side. What kind of dumb thing is that to say? Everybody knows that in a sleeping state everyone moves multiple times. Not that that is the only stupid thing he said, but that one has always made me cringe, and I have never heard any one else comment on it.
As far as some evidence being held back... I can't remember the exact train of thought I was on when I said that just now. It's not a cop out. lol. I had a stroke when I was 23 (31 now) and it has left me with memory blogs. Sometimes I cant remember where I was going with a thought. hehehe. I do think that LE was just a little too eager to close this case up for publicity sake. I also think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot.
Sometimes what she says and does seems ALL wrong, but then again here I sit in my house, much like the one Darlie lived in, with my two little girls sound asleep upstairs and perfectly safe. I could speculate, but I pray to God that I will never know how I would react.
All in all, I think she needs a new trial in a new area. We have certainly spent tax payers money more poorly in the past and will in the future, so what would it hurt?

[j2mirish]

Is there any chance we could keep the fish and get rid of the husband??? Just kidding! That house is way too big for just me and my nephew... it's got a kazillion bedrooms! It does look like a lovely home, though, doesn't it.
lets talk......not a bad idea...LOLOLOL

[HeartofTexas]

J2, we may need to keep him around after all, especially if he's "handy" with things like installing air-conditioning!

[HeartofTexas]

I also think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot.

So many people, even after all of these years, comment on where the trial was held or the change of venue. I just want to remind everyone that there would have been NO change of venue if Doug Mulder hadn't requested one. As soon as he was assigned Kerrville, though, he knew he had made a big mistake and tried to have it changed again, but to no avail. He was the one that set that ball in motion so, if you want to blame someone, blame him. He knew when he requested the change of venue that he had to take the roll of the dice. He was hoping they would get lucky, but they didn't.

And, as far as a new trial for Darlie, I say no way! She was the most beligerant witness I've ever encountered on the stand and was definitely her own worst enemy. Heck, just sitting at the defense table was a bit much for her to control the looks and sneers on her face. Someone should have had the foresight to lock her in a closet before that trial began. If I'd seen her roll her eyes one more time, I would have come unglued!

[beesy]

[QUOTE]Sorry I didnt reply sooner. I havent been on since my last post. If it was Darin, Darlie didn't realize it. Truthfully I think that she was so traumatized, in shock, and yea I do think that she passed out either from lack of oxygen or shock, that she wouldn't have known it was Darin if it had been. She would have no reason to cover for him. Maybe she refuses to believe that it could be him. There are a lot of senerio's that I still see as very plausible, more plausible than suddenly taking a dive off into the deep end and stabbing her kids. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Darin stabbed the boys or attacked Darlie. There is tons of evidence however which says that Darlie killed the boys and cut herself. Why do you believe it was Darin? And IF it were Darin, why didn't kill he Darlie. The only adult???? He would have no guarantee that she wouldn't tell on him. There are no witness statements which include Darlie passing out. When did she lose oxygen? Her neck wound in no way affected her ability to breathe. In "In Her Own Words" by Darlie, she says she passed out 2x. Both in front of witnesses who say she never passed out. She showed no signs of typical trauma reactions, by her own statements, such as blurred vision, blurred voices, slow motion. Yet, when Darin first runs down the stairs, he experiences some of these things.

A lot has been said about "overkill" with the boys. I don't see it that way. Devon was only stabbed twice. I do believe he tried to get up which resulted in the second stab wound. He is the one that was the most difficult for Darlie. The rage would have been taken out on him if she'd done it I don't hear many people at all say "overkill" about the Routier murders. If they do, they don't know what they are talking about. Devon fell asleep in the exact spot he was found in. Most likely he picked up his feet to kick his killer(DARLIE). There is a nick on his buttocks which probably resulted from a kick causing the knife to slip. Only the Darlies believe Devon stood up. There is a proven theory about killers. Most men stab underhanded and most women stab overhanded. If Devon had stood up and the killer was male, then most likely as least one of his wounds would have been lower.

Damon, momma's boy, was the one with "overkill", but if you look at it from a different angle it might not have been rage but more because the poor little guy wouldn't die! I think he moved around and was able to fight more, resulting in stab wounds hitting bone, and so many of them. Damon was lying on his back and there was no "overkill" there either. Overkill is when the victim receives a fatal wound, yet the killer continues the attack. Damon was stabbed in the back and found on his back, he wasn't able to fight her, but he did crawl away.

I have studied the evidence. I have been so intrigued with this case since it happened. SOOO I am certainly not going on Christopher Wayne Browns word. Good grief, where was he going with his ideas? Devon was right handed so he always laid on his right side. What kind of dumb thing is that to say? Everybody knows that in a sleeping state everyone moves multiple times. Not that that is the only stupid thing he said, but that one has always made me cringe, and I have never heard any one else comment on it The only thing you should gain from Chris Brown's book is some knowledge of the crime scene. You know what you just said about Devon sleeping on his right side because he's right-handed, once you study the real evidence you'll see that everything else he writes is just as dumb.
think that LE was just a little too eager to close this case up for publicity sake. What would LE gain by arresting the wrong person, especially the mother, for gosh sakes?

Ialso think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot You do know that her original defense attorney asked for a change of venue, don't you? Then the DA and the defense make a list of places they'd like to have the trial. The judge then decides from that list. When Mulder came on and realized where Darlie's trial was to take place, he again asked for a change of venue. It was denied, which is not uncommon. Nobody was out to "get" Darlie.
All in all, I think she needs a new trial in a new area. We have certainly spent tax payers money more poorly in the past and will in the future, so what would it hurt She won't get a new trial. She has used up all her state appeals and only has her federal ones left. Why do you think all the people who have made a decision on her case haven't granted a new trial? There's nothing there to grant. Having bad luck by getting, per her request, the trial moved to a town which then later they realized would nail her isn't a reason for a new trial.

[j2mirish]

J2, we may need to keep him around after all, especially if he's "handy" with things like installing air-conditioning!
another great idea! and yes-- he is worth keeping around!! very handy.......

[Goody]

Sorry I didnt reply sooner. I havent been on since my last post.
No problem. We are few but we are usually here somewhere. :dance:


If it was Darin, Darlie didn't realize it. Truthfully I think that she was so traumatized, in shock, and yea I do think that she passed out either from lack of oxygen or shock, that she wouldn't have known it was Darin if it had been. She would have no reason to cover for him. Maybe she refuses to believe that it could be him. There are a lot of senerio's that I still see as very plausible, more plausible than suddenly taking a dive off into the deep end and stabbing her kids.
Have you read Darlie's testimony? Did you know at the time of the trial that her friend Mercedes was said to have gone to reporters with a story that the defense had asked her to change her testimony about where Darlie said the intruder was. Mercedes got upset and created quite a scene, according to Patricia Springer (I think iit was her). When you read Darlie's testimony and see how she is doing everything she can to avoid calling Mercedes a liar is quite interesting, esp since Mercedes didn't testify.

I think if Darin did it, Darlie had to know and that she had to lie about it. I don't believe the TA story because I know how TA works and it does not work like she is trying to convince us it does. And there is no other explanation for the blood on her shirt,except that she had to be in a position over the boys swinging that knife. If you don't believe me, conduct some tests of your own with chocolate syrup. Those droplets would not have landed like they did as she walked by Devon blowing blood out of his wounds. There are so many things that would be different about the droplets in that case. Not to mention it was too long of a distance for the blood to fly and land where they did.

I don't see how you can say something could be more plausible than her suddenly going off the deep in. Women do it all the time. It reaches across race, class, and locale. There is no way to say that one woman could and another could not.

A lot has been said about "overkill" with the boys. I don't see it that way. Devon was only stabbed twice. I do believe he tried to get up which resulted in the second stab wound. He is the one that was the most difficult for Darlie. The rage would have been taken out on him if she'd done it.
I agree. If Darlie did this out of anger, I think the problem was with Devon and Damon ended up just being collateral damage. I don't see the overkill either. The attacks look more methodical to me, as if someone had thought out what they were going to do and then set out to do it. I can't rule out emotion though or suddenness, but I tend to lean against it.

Damon, momma's boy, was the one with "overkill", but if you look at it from a different angle it might not have been rage but more because the poor little guy wouldn't die! I think he moved around and was able to fight more, resulting in stab wounds hitting bone, and so many of them.
I have sometimes wondered if maybe a different person attacked Damon because the wounds seems so different to me. That could be because he was stabbed in the back and there is more bone there, as you say. I think the reason there are more stab wounds to him is that the initial wounds were not well targeted like Devon's were, he didn't die, and had to be stabbed a couple of more times. It could be that a different person attacked him than who attacked Devon, or it could be that by the time Damon was attacked, the killer had less motivation.

I have a few different theories, some involving Darin directly or indirectly, and some not.
I have studied the evidence. I have been so intrigued with this case since it happened. SOOO I am certainly not going on Christopher Wayne Browns word. Good grief, where was he going with his ideas? Devon was right handed so he always laid on his right side. What kind of dumb thing is that to say? Everybody knows that in a sleeping state everyone moves multiple times. Not that that is the only stupid thing he said, but that one has always made me cringe, and I have never heard any one else comment on it.
As far as some evidence being held back... I can't remember the exact train of thought I was on when I said that just now. It's not a cop out. lol. I had a stroke when I was 23 (31 now) and it has left me with memory blogs. O, how sad. I am sorry to hear that. But you are getting around much better now, aren't you? You posts seem well thought out.

Sometimes I cant remember where I was going with a thought. hehehe. I do think that LE was just a little too eager to close this case up for publicity sake. I also think that Darlie couldn't have had her trial in a worse spot. I do, too. I think they should have spent more time interrogating both Darlie and Darin, instead of bringing in their interrogation expert a the last minute to try to get a rushed confession. They should have given him more time with her. And someone should have been working on Darin in another room. I bet if they had scared him, he would have spilled.

Sometimes what she says and does seems ALL wrong, but then again here I sit in my house, much like the one Darlie lived in, with my two little girls sound asleep upstairs and perfectly safe. I could speculate, but I pray to God that I will never know how I would react.
All in all, I think she needs a new trial in a new area. We have certainly spent tax payers money more poorly in the past and will in the future, so what would it hurt?
I would love to see a new trial with the hope that they would bring out more information, that more people would come forward to be interviewed. I don't feel we really know Darlie even now.

[Goody]

J2, we may need to keep him around after all, especially if he's "handy" with things like installing air-conditioning!
I wonder if he has great pecs. LOL! He might be great scenery.

[Goody]

That house is right around the corner from me! The streets are separated by a small road. It's in a really nice area, the historic district, as is ours. Our old Downtown has been revamped and is filled with houses like that. That house was just renovated this past year. So you can see the price differences in houses so close together like I said before. I can't believe they didn't put in A/C when they updated though. Odd. We have oil heat too. In the winter our electric bill is only about $75. Even with the oil prices being raised, it's still cheaper than running the electric heat all winter. And toastier, I love it. It is priced pretty steep, I doubt they'll get that for it. They are most likely trying to recoup the cost of the renovation. I thought it was older than that, but guess not.
Is that oil heat easy on the lungs???

[beesy]

another great idea! and yes-- he is worth keeping around!! very handy....... Hey! wait a minute here! Where is my commission?

[Goody]

So many people, even after all of these years, comment on where the trial was held or the change of venue. I just want to remind everyone that there would have been NO change of venue if Doug Mulder hadn't requested one. As soon as he was assigned Kerrville, though, he knew he had made a big mistake and tried to have it changed again, but to no avail. He was the one that set that ball in motion so, if you want to blame someone, blame him. He knew when he requested the change of venue that he had to take the roll of the dice. He was hoping they would get lucky, but they didn't.
Actually it was the public defenders who asked for a change of venue. I think Kerrville was already decided on when Mulder took over,and he did try to get that changed. But he waited until they went to court in January, I think. By then the judge was not interested in delays.

And, as far as a new trial for Darlie, I say no way! She was the most beligerant witness I've ever encountered on the stand and was definitely her own worst enemy. Heck, just sitting at the defense table was a bit much for her to control the looks and sneers on her face. Someone should have had the foresight to lock her in a closet before that trial began. If I'd seen her roll her eyes one more time, I would have come unglued!
Were you a part of the case, Heart? Or maybe a spectator at the trial? I heard that Darlie did not shed a tear or show any change in emotion when the boys murder photos came up on the big screen. The jurors commenting on it where aghast at her lack of shock. I have never been able to understand how anyone could be that detached from their own children. Even if she did it, you'd think by trial time, some of hat distance would have melted away.

BTW, tell us more about the rolling of the eyes. That sounds interesting.

[Goody]

I really don't know. I don't think VA has coal mines though. If they do, it's not many. WV and PA are loaded with coal mines.
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Yeah Edgar Cayce's Foundation is near the Oceanfront somewhere. Jamestown, which is the 1st permanent Eng. colony in America is maybe 65 miles away. So is Colonial Williamsburg. Appomattox is about a 3 hour drive. There is tons of history in this part of VA since it's so close to Jamestown. I used to be the Director of a historic house museum.

Cool. If I am still around after my surgery, I will have to talk TJ into a little road trip.

[beesy]

Is that oil heat easy on the lungs??? I think so. I don't see why it wouldn't be. The old-timey coal furnaces are the ones which are killer for furniture and people. I don't get any dirt on the raditors from the furnace. I just get regular dust on those like in the rest of the house, so I try to keep them clean. It is extremly dry heat, but we just run a humidifier and put pots on the radiators. Isn't dry air good for lungs?

[Goody]

She won't get a new trial. She has used up all her state appeals and only has her federal ones left. Why do you think all the people who have made a decision on her case haven't granted a new trial? There's nothing there to grant. Having bad luck by getting, per her request, the trial moved to a town which then later they realized would nail her isn't a reason for a new trial.
Where the trial was held is not grounds for appeal anyway, but the federal appellate system is the most objective. I say if she has a chance, any chance at all for a new trial, it will be in the fed appeals. We just have to be patient and see if her attys can win one for her.

The good thing about a new trial is that that is when we will probably see the feathers fly. She has learned from past mistakes and knows now that she HAS to point fingers at Darin. And we all know how nervous that makes him. I suspect a whole lot more information will come out. So I am kind of hoping she does get a new trial.

[Mama-cita]

Is that oil heat easy on the lungs???
When hubby and I lived in NE we had oil heat. It is no different than GAS, just a different heat source. We had a big 200 gallon tank in our basement that had a valve on the outside that the oil company could come and fill. Actually what is nice with oil heat is that you don't have to worry about carbon monoxide. You never have to worry about a toxic gas leak either. I tried to convince hubby to change our current set-up from gas to oil after we had a gas leak, alas he could not be persuaded (okay so it would have cost tens of thousands of dollars to make the switch, but what's a little money where my peace of mind is concerned?)

[Goody]

I think so. I don't see why it wouldn't be. The old-timey coal furnaces are the ones which are killer for furniture and people. I don't get any dirt on the raditors from the furnace. I just get regular dust on those like in the rest of the house, so I try to keep them clean. It is extremly dry heat, but we just run a humidifier and put pots on the radiators. Isn't dry air good for lungs?
Dry heat is probably good. We have gas heat here and I have to run the air every once in awhile to keep the air moving. That stuff feels like it sucks all the 02 out of the air. So do you ever worry about going up in smoke with that oil heat? I am always afraid of a gas leak. Or even worse the propane tank blowing up. My neighbor built his kids swingset right next to our propane tank. I thought he was nuts, but they managed to grow up with getting blow up so I guess he knew what he was doing. hahahahah.

[Goody]

When hubby and I lived in NE we had oil heat. It is no different than GAS, just a different heat source. We had a big 200 gallon tank in our basement that had a valve on the outside that the oil company could come and fill. Actually what is nice with oil heat is that you don't have to worry about carbon monoxide. You never have to worry about a toxic gas leak either. I tried to convince hubby to change our current set-up from gas to oil after we had a gas leak, alas he could not be persuaded (okay so it would have cost tens of thousands of dollars to make the switch, but what's a little money where my peace of mind is concerned?)
LOL! I totally agree. Thanks for the info, too. :)

[beesy]

[QUOTE]Actually it was the public defenders who asked for a change of venue. I think Kerrville was already decided on when Mulder took over,and he did try to get that changed. But he waited until they went to court in January, I think. By then the judge was not interested in delay
Yep, you got it right Goody


Were you a part of the case, Heart? Or maybe a spectator at the trial? I heard that Darlie did not shed a tear or show any change in emotion when the boys murder photos came up on the big screen. The jurors commenting on it where aghast at her lack of shock. I have never been able to understand how anyone could be that detached from their own children. Even if she did it, you'd think by trial time, some of hat distance would have melted away.
BTW, tell us more about the rolling of the eyes. That sounds interesting She was "flat" during her testimony about the boys and showed no reaction to her son's pix, but I also read she was snappish during questioning. She was a bad witness, as you know from the transcripts, her story changed several times and she often fell back on her TA. I think it's Springer or maybe every author who comments on her sneering and rolling her eyes while seated at the defense table. She shook her head and whispered "no" alot. This is all from books, as you know, I wasn't there.
I've always found it funny that the Darlies and her family alway say she was "flat" because of the meds she was taking, Paxil and something else. But then other times, they say people are lying and that she was very emotional. They can't have it both ways. I'm on the strongest dose of Paxil. Shouldn't be a surprise to most of you. LOL..mainly they put me on it because I was constantly worrying I was going to have a seizure. Of course being upset about something can cause seizures. Obviously I am not "flat" emotionally! I have noticed I don't give a hoot about the house being clean whereas before I cleaned everday. Oh well. So Paxil does not take everything out of you at all, nor does it make you HAPPY

[beesy]

Cool. If I am still around after my surgery, I will have to talk TJ into a little road trip. What do you mean by that Goody!? Don't talk like that please...upsets beesy

[Goody]

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I've always found it funny that the Darlies and her family alway say she was "flat" because of the meds she was taking, Paxil and something else. But then other times, they say people are lying and that she was very emotional. They can't have it both ways. I'm on the strongest dose of Paxil. Shouldn't be a surprise to most of you. LOL..mainly they put me on it because I was constantly worrying I was going to have a seizure. Of course being upset about something can cause seizures. Obviously I am not "flat" emotionally! I have noticed I don't give a hoot about the house being clean whereas before I cleaned everday. Oh well. So Paxil does not take everything out of you at all, nor does it make you HAPPY
That is true. I am on Paxil, too, and there is nothing flat about my effect. hahahahah. Trust me, these guys get on my case, sometimes they bite off more than they can chew. ahahahahhahahaha.

O, I take it ease the tension caused by tight muscles due to lack of 02. The less my lungs work, the harder my muscles try to compensate for them, and the tighter the muscles in the back of my neck stretch ..... tight like guitar strings. If I don't take a sleeping aid, the get taunt too. It really sucks. They will probably have to up my Paxil dosage when the steroids come in after surgery. Those things will really rattle ya!

[beesy]

Dry heat is probably good. We have gas heat here and I have to run the air every once in awhile to keep the air moving. That stuff feels like it sucks all the 02 out of the air. So do you ever worry about going up in smoke with that oil heat? I am always afraid of a gas leak. Or even worse the propane tank blowing up. My neighbor built his kids swingset right next to our propane tank. I thought he was nuts, but they managed to grow up with getting blow up so I guess he knew what he was doing. hahahahah. No, it's not like gas at all. Nothing like a propane tank. Well there is a big tank, but it's different. It's huge for one thing and much sturdier than the propane tanks. If by some chance it did burst, you can see the oil, not like gas which you can't see. I don't see that happening though. Like she said, the oil dude comes to fill it up and there it is. Our tank is outside, but the furance is a little teeny basement. Very few people have basements around here and there are no full ones at all. Too close to sea level. The furnace heats our water too, which also cuts down on the electric bill. And we never run out of hot water like you can with an electric water heater.

[Goody]

What do you mean by that Goody!? Don't talk like that please...upsets beesy
Well, you know every surgery has it's risks and lung transplant is about as major as you can get. But relax. I meet new people all the time after their surgeries and they seem to be doing fine. Vanderbilt has only had one go wrong in the last year, so they are doing good. And I am healthy other than my lungs.

[Mama-cita]

Good lord, what's the lung transplant for? Moist O2 is always better for lungs (I am a nurse) that is why 02 is usually humidified...

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SURGERY GOODY!

[HeartofTexas]

Oh, Goody, I had no idea you were having problems with your lungs. I'm so sorry. I've only read a little on lung transplants... are you on a donor waiting list? If so, will it be an immediate thing once you're notified... will there be time to notify your WS friends that you'll be out of commission for a bit?

I knew as soon as I typed it that I was probably wrong re Mulder being the one who initially requested the change of venue, but I knew you sharpies would catch it if I was wrong! LOL! I did remember correctly that Mulder asked for a 2nd change of venue but it was denied.

No, I didn't attend the trial. I just saw bits and pieces of her courtroom appearances on TV at night. Also, remember that I had worked for the Judge in this trial, so got some information directly from him.

[beesy]

Is there any chance we could keep the fish and get rid of the husband??? Just kidding! That house is way too big for just me and my nephew... it's got a kazillion bedrooms! It does look like a lovely home, though, doesn't it. Rode by your house today. Giggled thinking of all the sleuthers living there right around the corner...hee hee

[j2mirish]

Well, you know every surgery has it's risks and lung transplant is about as major as you can get. But relax. I meet new people all the time after their surgeries and they seem to be doing fine. Vanderbilt has only had one go wrong in the last year, so they are doing good. And I am healthy other than my lungs.

Oh my Goody-
Please keep us posted-
So sorry to hear-- what a bummer, but with your strenght I am sure you will do fine-:blowkiss:

[j2mirish]

Rode by your house today. Giggled thinking of all the sleuthers living there right around the corner...hee hee
just think of the parties!:woohoo:

[HeartofTexas]

Perhaps we can call it House of Paxil! Actually, I'm no longer on Paxil but was for many years due to panic attacks. Fortunately, I don't have them anymore.

Beesy, I really do love the town you live in... Franklin seems like just the kind of place I would love.

[Goody]

Perhaps we can call it House of Paxil! Actually, I'm no longer on Paxil but was for many years due to panic attacks. Fortunately, I don't have them anymore.

Beesy, I really do love the town you live in... Franklin seems like just the kind of place I would love.
Yes, it is lovely,isn't it?

[Goody]

Oh my Goody-
Please keep us posted-
So sorry to hear-- what a bummer, but with your strenght I am sure you will do fine-:blowkiss:Yes, I am a survivor by nature. So I am sure I will do fine. I have only one daughter and 3 sons. Between them (the boys) and TJ, they have really toughened me up. But when the time comes, I sure would appreciate all of your prayers. Cami will have the scoop, I am sure. She is my official communication sleuther. She will keep y'all posted. Won't you, Cami???

[Goody]

Oh, Goody, I had no idea you were having problems with your lungs. I'm so sorry. I've only read a little on lung transplants... are you on a donor waiting list? If so, will it be an immediate thing once you're notified... will there be time to notify your WS friends that you'll be out of commission for a bit?
My lung usage is about 24% right now, which is an improvement from 20% a few months ago.

Yes, I am on the waiting list. When they have one, they will call me in and it will be within hours of my arrival at the hospital. They put you thru a bunch of tests before to make sure nothing has changed,then they rush you into surgery because they only have a certain amount of time to transplant it. They get you up in about three days, and you are out of the hospital in about three weeks, but they make you stay near the hospital for 3 ot 4 months, so I will be out of commission for awhile. But TJ might bring a computer to the apt we will be staying in. If he does, I will get a little bit of computer time. I will be rehab during the 3 months there as well. So it will be a busy time. (Nothing better happen on this case while I am out!!!!)

Cami and TJ got to know each other the last time I was in the hospital so they have each other's email addys and have promised to keep you guys informed.

I knew as soon as I typed it that I was probably wrong re Mulder being the one who initially requested the change of venue, but I knew you sharpies would catch it if I was wrong! LOL! I did remember correctly that Mulder asked for a 2nd change of venue but it was denied.
Poor Mulder takes a beating on this case,doesn't he? LOL! I used to let him have it, too, but I have finally got it all in perspective. I do think the judge surprised him by not giving him a continuance. Think I asked you this before, but Don Davis had it in his book that the judge wanted to retire after the Routier trial, that he even delayed his retirement to hear the case. Is that true?

No, I didn't attend the trial. I just saw bits and pieces of her courtroom appearances on TV at night. Also, remember that I had worked for the Judge in this trial, so got some information directly from him.
I guess most defendants roll their eyes when they think the testimony isn't true. Some probably do it, thinking they can fool the jury into thinking something isn't true when it is. I doubt if it works though. Like you got irritated with it, I would think jury members would, too.

I just don't feel I know Darlie. Sometimes I think she is one way and other times I think she is different. I just can't really land on an opinion about her. I don't have any doubt that she killed at least one of these kids and probably both. But I can't put my finger on why. I guess that is what keeps my posting about it. I still want to solve the little mysteries left unanswered. That and I have made some nice online friends.

[Goody]

Good lord, what's the lung transplant for? Moist O2 is always better for lungs (I am a nurse) that is why 02 is usually humidified...

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SURGERY GOODY!
Ah, nurse. Hope you stick around for awhile. We might get back to all those nurse questions in this case.

Thanks for your concern. I appreciate it.

I am on Helios 02 now, liquid 02, and it is a lot better than the compressed. I actually get around pretty good for someone in my condition. I still cook and do dishes, feed the dogs, let dogs out, let dogs in, do my laundry (altho laundry is really,. really hard) Housework is almost impossible but I manage some of it. Then there is that treadmill staring at me everyday. I gotta do 20 minutes a day. My docs are amazed, esp my rehab doc. She said she didn't expect me to come back after my last stint. She thought I would pretty much be in a wheel chair. But I am not. I walk pretty good on a good day, jsut not very far. Thank God for those grocery scooters. I love them!!! I haven't hit anybody yet!!

As for why the transplant? To improve the quality of my life. It won't lenghten life but it will make life easier on a daily basis. I won't be on 02 after the transplant if it goes well. I might even be able to do alittle gardening, and of course, I'll be able to drive again and get caught up on my housework, if the place doesn't turn into a big dust ball and self destruct before my surgery. hahahaha. And I will be able to do these things much quicker than I can now. Now just cooking dinner is a major event. What used to take 45 min to 1 hour might take 2 hours or more. I have to do everything in stages and really plan my steps. Can be very annoying, esp when you stay on the computer too long. If I do that now, I have to open a can of soup and save dinner to be cooked tomorrow. TJ grumbles but he tolerates it.

[j2mirish]

Ah, nurse. Hope you stick around for awhile. We might get back to all those nurse questions in this case.

Thanks for your concern. I appreciate it.

I am on Helios 02 now, liquid 02, and it is a lot better than the compressed. I actually get around pretty good for someone in my condition. I still cook and do dishes, feed the dogs, let dogs out, let dogs in, do my laundry (altho laundry is really,. really hard) Housework is almost impossible but I manage some of it. Then there is that treadmill staring at me everyday. I gotta do 20 minutes a day. My docs are amazed, esp my rehab doc. She said she didn't expect me to come back after my last stint. She thought I would pretty much be in a wheel chair. But I am not. I walk pretty good on a good day, jsut not very far. Thank God for those grocery scooters. I love them!!! I haven't hit anybody yet!!

As for why the transplant? To improve the quality of my life. It won't lenghten life but it will make life easier on a daily basis. I won't be on 02 after the transplant if it goes well. I might even be able to do alittle gardening, and of course, I'll be able to drive again and get caught up on my housework, if the place doesn't turn into a big dust ball and self destruct before my surgery. hahahaha. And I will be able to do these things much quicker than I can now. Now just cooking dinner is a major event. What used to take 45 min to 1 hour might take 2 hours or more. I have to do everything in stages and really plan my steps. Can be very annoying, esp when you stay on the computer too long. If I do that now, I have to open a can of soup and save dinner to be cooked tomorrow. TJ grumbles but he tolerates it.


goody- talk to moma-cita about hooking you up with a brazillian wax after your re-coup! if you need a good laugh, go to the thread she started in the jury room! dont have any drinks while reading-- definalty a spirit llifter if in need of some plain old girlie humor!!

[HeartofTexas]

Goody, I'm so glad TJ and Cami will be able to keep us posted on when you're having your surgery. It would be great, too, if they could give us an address to send cards and stuff to the hospital while you're there for 3 weeks. Perhaps you could just PM one of us with that info rather than put it directly on the forum. I'll keep you in my prayers that your call for surgery comes soon!

I'm not sure how Sue1017's name was placed over my posts (in your last post), but I'm the one who made those statements. Yes, Judge Tolle did retire following Darlie's trial. He's a wonderful man, as is his entire family. I haven't kept up with them in recent years but did for probably 15 years or so. He was always very careful about what he said about the case (fear of being quoted in papers?) but did say she was where she should be (DR).

[cami]

Yup, we cleared all that up before!! I don't know where Cami's been! :slap:

Cami's over here at Eagle Dr measuring the square footage but since I'm a canuck all I have is a metric measuring tape with me.

Hmm let's see one square metre =

LOL, I just didn't read the whole thread that's all dear. Doh, that slap will fix me right up. :dance:

[HeartofTexas]

Wow, Cami, that's quite the little trek all the way from Nova Scotia to Eagle Drive just to measure Darlie's house! You're a real little trooper! LOL!

[cami]

So many people, even after all of these years, comment on where the trial was held or the change of venue. I just want to remind everyone that there would have been NO change of venue if Doug Mulder hadn't requested one. As soon as he was assigned Kerrville, though, he knew he had made a big mistake and tried to have it changed again, but to no avail. He was the one that set that ball in motion so, if you want to blame someone, blame him. He knew when he requested the change of venue that he had to take the roll of the dice. He was hoping they would get lucky, but they didn't.

And, as far as a new trial for Darlie, I say no way! She was the most beligerant witness I've ever encountered on the stand and was definitely her own worst enemy. Heck, just sitting at the defense table was a bit much for her to control the looks and sneers on her face. Someone should have had the foresight to lock her in a closet before that trial began. If I'd seen her roll her eyes one more time, I would have come unglued!

I thought it was her PDs who requested the change of venue, not Mulder?

[Mama-cita]

I don't think they will EVER sell this house. Who could live there besides the Manson family? Wouldn't it be nice if some wealthy person bought it, tore it down and built a memorial park for Devon and Damon?

[cami]

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Yep, you got it right Goody


She was "flat" during her testimony about the boys and showed no reaction to her son's pix, but I also read she was snappish during questioning. She was a bad witness, as you know from the transcripts, her story changed several times and she often fell back on her TA. I think it's Springer or maybe every author who comments on her sneering and rolling her eyes while seated at the defense table. She shook her head and whispered "no" alot. This is all from books, as you know, I wasn't there.
I've always found it funny that the Darlies and her family alway say she was "flat" because of the meds she was taking, Paxil and something else. But then other times, they say people are lying and that she was very emotional. They can't have it both ways. I'm on the strongest dose of Paxil. Shouldn't be a surprise to most of you. LOL..mainly they put me on it because I was constantly worrying I was going to have a seizure. Of course being upset about something can cause seizures. Obviously I am not "flat" emotionally! I have noticed I don't give a hoot about the house being clean whereas before I cleaned everday. Oh well. So Paxil does not take everything out of you at all, nor does it make you HAPPY

The only time she cried real real tears was when she was destroyed on the witness stand by Shook. Tears of self-pity.

If you've ever seen Mother on Death Row on aande, we used to wonder what she was rolling her eyes at and mouthing the word no. We found out but Cami can't remember right off the top of my head, LOL. Maybe I have TA

[cami]

Perhaps we can call it House of Paxil! Actually, I'm no longer on Paxil but was for many years due to panic attacks. Fortunately, I don't have them anymore.

Beesy, I really do love the town you live in... Franklin seems like just the kind of place I would love.

Hey you got room for a little Canuck in that big house? I'm on my way if you do, no baggage, just me, LOL.

[cami]

Cool. If I am still around after my surgery, I will have to talk TJ into a little road trip.

Goody!!! Did you get a date for the transplant? Oh goody, goody, goody, goody gumdrops.

[cami]

Yes, I am a survivor by nature. So I am sure I will do fine. I have only one daughter and 3 sons. Between them (the boys) and TJ, they have really toughened me up. But when the time comes, I sure would appreciate all of your prayers. Cami will have the scoop, I am sure. She is my official communication sleuther. She will keep y'all posted. Won't you, Cami???

Absolument mon ami. TJ and I will be burning up the airwaves never fear. We will keep everyone apprised. The first place I am going to visit upon retirement is Goody and TJ so watch out here I come, LOL.

[cami]

Goody, I'm so glad TJ and Cami will be able to keep us posted on when you're having your surgery. It would be great, too, if they could give us an address to send cards and stuff to the hospital while you're there for 3 weeks. Perhaps you could just PM one of us with that info rather than put it directly on the forum. I'll keep you in my prayers that your call for surgery comes soon!

Yes, I just mailed mine to Ed/TJ and he took them to the hospital with him and read them to her but yeah we should be able to send things to the hospital, like flowers and such.

[j2mirish]

Hey you got room for a little Canuck in that big house? I'm on my way if you do, no baggage, just me, LOL.
EY? fine by me! I have a 9 year old son who is one of the top 20 ice hockey players in his age in the state- we do alot of traveling with him-3 trips to canada, 2 trips to boston- 3 to alabama, 1 detroit- all in 2 yrs- ( sorry, i dont usually brag - but the boy is good :blushing: ) anyway cami-- My best friend is a canuk! so if we move to franklin, you can move in too fill in for my friend i would miss!

[cami]

EY? fine by me! I have a 9 year old son who is one of the top 20 ice hockey players in his age in the state- we do alot of traveling with him-3 trips to canada, 2 trips to boston- 3 to alabama, 1 detroit- all in 2 yrs- ( sorry, i dont usually brag - but the boy is good :blushing: ) anyway cami-- My best friend is a canuk! so if we move to franklin, you can move in too fill in for my friend i would miss!


Okay, right on you get bragging rights when it comes to hockey. I watch the draft every year so I'll be watching when your son goes first over all. Do you go to that tournament in New Brunswick? I live in the next province so I am close.

I used to love going to the rink with mine and I miss it! He played right up until midget--only house league though. He's looking for a gentlemens' league right now to play in.

[j2mirish]

Okay, right on you get bragging rights when it comes to hockey. I watch the draft every year so I'll be watching when your son goes first over all. Do you go to that tournament in New Brunswick? I live in the next province so I am close.

I used to love going to the rink with mine and I miss it! He played right up until midget--only house league though. He's looking for a gentlemens' league right now to play in.
i was hoping if i threw in something about hockey, you might figure we might not be too bad as room mates!! we played in toronto and in pelham...pelham was wonderful-- tiny tiny town that treated the kids from florida like kings....especially since the florida kids almost took the tourney! I keep telling my husband after squirts -it is all over...already getting to rough for me!
sorry--ot/...this will put it back--- too bad darlie cant have these kind of conversations..huh?

[HeartofTexas]

Ohhhh, J2, this is going to work out great... my nephew is also 9. Of course, he doesn't have a sports bone in his body. He's all brainiac. And yes, Cami, we always have room for one more in our new Franklin abode! Beesy will be so pleased that currently half of the Darlie forum will be living right around the corner from her! LOL!

[j2mirish]

Ohhhh, J2, this is going to work out great... my nephew is also 9. Of course, he doesn't have a sports bone in his body. He's all brainiac. And yes, Cami, we always have room for one more in our new Franklin abode! Beesy will be so pleased that currently half of the Darlie forum will be living right around the corner from her! LOL!

this is just sounding like a go to me! my son is so not macho or bragging kinda sport kid, -that he and your nephew will get along just great- since daughter is 11 we wont have any problems there either......looks like i need to decide between the fish and hubby pretty soon!:angel: we need to tell beezy to put a sold sign over the for sale sign!

[beesy]

I thought it was her PDs who requested the change of venue, not Mulder? Yeah, we cleared that one up too!:slap: beesy slap this time!

[HeartofTexas]

J2, we definitely need hubby... and the way I see it, it's a beeeeg ol' house so there's plenty of room for the fish, too. After all, if we can accommodate Cami, surely there's room for your fish! Sure wish this was more of a reality than it is.

[beesy]

[QUOTE]Ohhhh, J2, this is going to work out great... my nephew is also 9. Of course, he doesn't have a sports bone in his body. He's all brainiacMy son is also 9 and all brainiac

And yes, Cami, we always have room for one more in our new Franklin abode! Beesy will be so pleased that currently half of the Darlie forum will be living right around the corner from her! LOL I'm not sure if "pleased" is the right word LOL
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[beesy]

I don't think they will EVER sell this house. Who could live there besides the Manson family? Wouldn't it be nice if some wealthy person bought it, tore it down and built a memorial park for Devon and Damon? It's already been bought and sold several times. Somebody will buy it again I suppose

[j2mirish]

J2, we definitely need hubby... and the way I see it, it's a beeeeg ol' house so there's plenty of room for the fish, too. After all, if we can accommodate Cami, surely there's room for your fish! Sure wish this was more of a reality than it is.
yea...i couldnt leave him behind....pretty good guy & daddy-- hell the kids probably wouldnt come if he didnt.....( now theres ANOTHER idea!!!!!) on that note, this might become more of a reality than you think!!!:eek:

[beesy]

Hey you got room for a little Canuck in that big house? I'm on my way if you do, no baggage, just me, LOL. Don't you even wanna see it before you move? It's right around the corner from me. http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=N

[beesy]

I used to love going to the rink with mine and I miss it! He played right up until midget--only house league though. He's looking for a gentlemens' league right now to play inthat's very PC....
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[beesy]

Yes, it is lovely,isn't it?
I love it too. As a teen I thought it sucked, nothing to do, waaah, so we drank alot and drove around..Franklin has much more now than it did then. We went years w/o a movie theater.

[beesy]

[QUOTE]My lung usage is about 24% right now, which is an improvement from 20% a few months ago.
Oh Goody, you told me your lungs were bad, but I didn't realize they were that bad. It must feel awful not being able to catch your breath. :blowkiss:

[j2mirish]

My son is also 9 and all brainiac

I'm not sure if "pleased" is the right word LOL
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uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......are you trying to tell us something?:confused:

[HeartofTexas]

Exactly what I was wondering, J2. LOL! Perhaps "terrified" would be the word Beesy is looking for! Don't worry, Beesy, I have to sell my house before I can consider buying another one... so I'm sure that one will be gone before that would happen. That's amazing that all 3 of us have 9 year old boys. BTW, does your town have a Walmart??? I'm not sure I can live in a town without one... LOL!

[j2mirish]

Exactly what I was wondering, J2. LOL! Perhaps "terrified" would be the word Beesy is looking for! Don't worry, Beesy, I have to sell my house before I can consider buying another one... so I'm sure that one will be gone before that would happen. That's amazing that all 3 of us have 9 year old boys. BTW, does your town have a Walmart??? I'm not sure I can live in a town without one... LOL!
It is quite a coinsidence(sp) on the boys isnt it? The wal mart thing is looking good too- I am not a shopper-- if you cant buy it at target ar walmart--- you just dont need it--I am thinking "terrified" was the word she wanted to use also!
Hubby wants to know if there is an ice rink close, too, beesy--- looks like you need not worry about the new neighbors;)

[HeartofTexas]

J2, we may need to just move over from Franklin a town or two to this new house I've found for us... and I can afford this one! It has 5 bedrooms, but surely we could all squeeze into that one just fine! And when Beesy is being a NICE girl, we can invite her over to have iced tea on our lovely new wrap-around porch. Oh, and all of the pets can run on our 2+ acres of land. Still no a/c in this house either. Bummers.

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=31908012&bSite=N

[HeartofTexas]

There is a Walmart in Franklin... don't know about our "new town" Newsom yet.

[Mama-cita]

It's already been bought and sold several times. Somebody will buy it again I suppose
How many times has it been bought and sold? Do previous owners talk about their experiences there? If 100 people donate 20 bucks we can buy it and level it. Then, a memorial gardens or park could be placed there for the boys. Anyone? Or am I just crazy (well I am so don't answer that!)

[Mama-cita]

Okay, 1000 people would have to give 20 bucks, not 100. Math was never one of my strong points. That's why Papa-Cito controls the checkbook!
OOOPS!!!!!!!!

[HeartofTexas]

Mama-Cita, I'm not sure if you're crazy or not, but your math skills are a teensy bit rusty! If 100 people donated 20 bucks each, we'd have a grand total of $2,000! I think what you mean is if 1,000 people donated $200 each!

[HeartofTexas]

You're getting closer! 1,000 people and 20 dollars equals $20,000!

[Mama-cita]

And that is why I am not allowed near the check book, Heart!

[beesy]

J2, we may need to just move over from Franklin a town or two to this new house I've found for us... and I can afford this one! It has 5 bedrooms, but surely we could all squeeze into that one just fine! And when Beesy is being a NICE girl, we can invite her over to have iced tea on our lovely new wrap-around porch. Oh, and all of the pets can run on our 2+ acres of land. Still no a/c in this house either. Bummers.

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=31908012&bSite=N Beesy's feelings hurt.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_7.gif


What fun it'd be to sip iced tea and sleuth all day. There's a great park right down the street from me, which means it's down the street from your house too. Newsomes is in the boonies. I mean waaaaaaaay boonies. It's about 30 miles from Franklin and I think there's only one street, maybe 2 LOL.
Franklin not only has a Wal-Mart, but a Super Center! We have a nice movie theater, bowling alley and even an Applebees! There was big excitement when that moved to town. Alas, no ice skating rink. There's a roller rink! Norfolk is about 50 miles away and they have a hockey team though.
But nevermind, you don't want to live near beesy now anyway. :snooty:

[beesy]

Exactly what I was wondering, J2. LOL! Perhaps "terrified" would be the word Beesy is looking for! Don't worry, Beesy, I have to sell my house before I can consider buying another one... so I'm sure that one will be gone before that would happen. That's amazing that all 3 of us have 9 year old boys. BTW, does your town have a Walmart??? I'm not sure I can live in a town without one... LOL! A joking "worried" was the word I was looking for. Didn't realize one little word would ruin the entire thing. :doh:

[j2mirish]

J2, we may need to just move over from Franklin a town or two to this new house I've found for us... and I can afford this one! It has 5 bedrooms, but surely we could all squeeze into that one just fine! And when Beesy is being a NICE girl, we can invite her over to have iced tea on our lovely new wrap-around porch. Oh, and all of the pets can run on our 2+ acres of land. Still no a/c in this house either. Bummers.

http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=31908012&bSite=N
what a gerat place...no ac huh?? looks like hubby will have to be a part of the package...now..roomie....is there a problem if i prefer a cold beer to your ice tea> guess we better get the little things worked out huh? LOLOLOL

[j2mirish]

There is a Walmart in Franklin... don't know about our "new town" Newsom yet.
we could ask Beesy about the new town, but she might fib....to keep us from coffe clatching with her on her front porch!

[j2mirish]

How many times has it been bought and sold? Do previous owners talk about their experiences there? If 100 people donate 20 bucks we can buy it and level it. Then, a memorial gardens or park could be placed there for the boys. Anyone? Or am I just crazy (well I am so don't answer that!)
tell me where to send the check- I said before I even feel sorry for the house itself-

[j2mirish]

A joking "worried" was the word I was looking for. Didn't realize one little word would ruin the entire thing. :doh:
so we're still in?? I thought you were backing out of the deal! LOL

[HeartofTexas]

J2, you better stop before you send that check to MamaCita. She's having trouble computing exactly how much she needs! LOL!

I checked on Newsoms (this time I spelled it correctly) and the whole town only has less than 300 population, so J2, we're moving back to Franklin. I only chose alternative housing because I thought Beesy didn't want us. However, now that she's so graciously accepted my offer of iced tea on our porch, we're heading back to Franklin. I have visions of our 3 boys playing together at the park while we sip tea and gossip and talk about Darlie! I'm more of a tea person myself... gave up most liquor when I was younger... but don't have any lack of tolerance for those who do drink. 2-3 times a year I have a glass of wine... but that's about it these days.

Beesy, I really do LOVE Franklin! I want to move there so bad. It has everything I'm looking for in a town (including Walmart!). I noticed you were pretty hot there today, too... we hit a mere 99 degrees here today. Sure doesn't seem like Fall.

[j2mirish]

J2, you better stop before you send that check to MamaCita. She's having trouble computing exactly how much she needs! LOL!

I checked on Newsoms (this time I spelled it correctly) and the whole town only has less than 300 population, so J2, we're moving back to Franklin. I only chose alternative housing because I thought Beesy didn't want us. However, now that she's so graciously accepted my offer of iced tea on our porch, we're heading back to Franklin. I have visions of our 3 boys playing together at the park while we sip tea and gossip and talk about Darlie! I'm more of a tea person myself... gave up most liquor when I was younger... but don't have any lack of tolerance for those who do drink. 2-3 times a year I have a glass of wine... but that's about it these days.

Beesy, I really do LOVE Franklin! I want to move there so bad. It has everything I'm looking for in a town (including Walmart!). I noticed you were pretty hot there today, too... we hit a mere 99 degrees here today. Sure doesn't seem like Fall.
I thought I saw beesy saying she really wanted us there too- especially when she was saying what a out in the boondocks place newsoms was.... i think she still loves us!! LOL-- Franklin does look like a dream come true- but that house you showed in newsom was way toooooo cool too- man- 4000 sq feet- 2 + acres...and that porch.... man-------- if I was only 10 years younger and my kids didnt know any better!!!!!!! aand yea- i saw that adding mamciti was doing- but at least she fessed up that why was poppa kept the checkbook- i would still send a check to see the place torn down............

[HeartofTexas]

I wish I was a whole lot younger than I am right now, and I would put my house on the market in a nano-second. Instead I'm OLD and raising a young boy... and unfortunately I've built my whole life here in Texas. It will be a tough decision to uproot at this point. OTOH, if I don't do it now, I'll never do it, and I really hate that idea. It means accepting less than I wanted for myself. I also have years and years of friendships here in Texas, and I would have to walk away from that, too. I wish the house in Franklin that we like was a little cheaper. I didn't see anything else that I truly loved... and the ones that were in my price range weren't too exciting. Maybe something else will turn up.

That house in Newsoms was great, wasn't it! Apparently it's the crown jewel of Newsoms, too, because my research didn't show a whole heckuva lot going on in Newsoms. With less than 300 population, I'd hate to see what the school system looked like!

And I agree... Mamacita just isn't great at multiplying yet... but her heart is definitely in the right place.

[Mama-cita]

Rowlett, Texas has an estimated population of 52,500 (in 2005). If we could collect FOUR DOLLARS from each resident, we would have enough $$$. Let's buy the house, that way, the "residents" own it. THen we all donate to make it a memorial park or gardens for the town that celebrates the life of Devon and Damon...
I am going to go work on some word problems. Gee, my kids aren't in school yet, but once they are, they sure better not come to me for MATH help!!!

[j2mirish]

Rowlett, Texas has an estimated population of 52,500 (in 2005). If we could collect FOUR DOLLARS from each resident, we would have enough $$$. Let's buy the house, that way, the "residents" own it. THen we all donate to make it a memorial park or gardens for the town that celebrates the life of Devon and Damon...
I am going to go work on some word problems. Gee, my kids aren't in school yet, but once they are, they sure better not come to me for MATH help!!!
you are too cute!:angel:

[beesy]

[QUOTE]I wish I was a whole lot younger than I am right now, and I would put my house on the market in a nano-second. Instead I'm OLD and raising a young boy... and unfortunately I've built my whole life here in Texas. It will be a tough decision to uproot at this point. OTOH, if I don't do it now, I'll never do it, and I really hate that idea. It means accepting less than I wanted for myself. I also have years and years of friendships here in Texas, and I would have to walk away from that, too. I wish the house in Franklin that we like was a little cheaper. I didn't see anything else that I truly loved... and the ones that were in my price range weren't too exciting. Maybe something else will turn upYou should follow your dreams Heart, no matter your age, unless you're 90!
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/faithfull-marianne-ballad-of-lucy-jordan-lyrics.html
Read these lyrics

That house in Newsoms was great, wasn't it! Apparently it's the crown jewel of Newsoms, too, because my research didn't show a whole heckuva lot going on in Newsoms. With less than 300 population, I'd hate to see what the school system looked like! That house was probably built on peanut or pig money. It is wonderful, isn't it? Franklin is filled with houses like "yours". Something else will come up. Remember the deal we got on our house? I did notice the one in Newsoms said something about being priced low enough to make improvements didn't it?
The school system is pretty nice because Newsoms is part of Southampton County and there are 2 nice schools there, neither one very near Newsoms though.

[cami]

Don't you even wanna see it before you move? It's right around the corner from me. http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=N

Gosh no, all you had to tell me was you had a front porch. That's all I want, a house with a screened in front porch and lots of trees in the yard. Oh I want a dog as well.

[HeartofTexas]

You're right, Beesy, that I should follow my dreams! It's just so much harder when you have a little boy who has lost everything and then you work for 3 years to build up a life for him, including a Big Brother (thru the Big Bros. program)... and he finally gets some stability and then, because your dream was to move back to Virginia, you have to uproot him. Not to mention the whole thing is a bit overwhelming to even contemplate. What I need is a man! Someone to help me make these decisions, someone to mentor my nephew, someone to help me move my belongings half-way across the country, etc. And no, I'm not 90 yet but there are days I feel that old! LOL!

I wonder if the improvements the Newsoms house is referring to might be air-conditioning? It certainly would be top choice for me!

[HeartofTexas]

Sorry, Cami, the front porch is not screened in! And considering how big the front porch is, it would cost a pretty penny to screen it in. We best put our money into air-conditioning! You can have the dog, though! He can run around with J2's two dogs, and my two dogs. Well, probably just one dog by the time I move... one is very old and sick right now, so I doubt he will be around by the time I do finally move.

[cami]

Don't you even wanna see it before you move? It's right around the corner from me. http://www.century21.com/buy/property_detail.aspx?teasers=property-detail-pic+Property+Detail+with+Pictures&tr_key=30700092&bSite=N

Wow, I love it. Nice looking yard and property, no porch :razz:

[cami]

Sorry, Cami, the front porch is not screened in! And considering how big the front porch is, it would cost a pretty penny to screen it in. We best put our money into air-conditioning! You can have the dog, though! He can run around with J2's two dogs, and my two dogs. Well, probably just one dog by the time I move... one is very old and sick right now, so I doubt he will be around by the time I do finally move.

Okay I'm up for that, although I did want to sit on that porch sipping mint juleps, LOl. Oh that's down south isn't it?

[HeartofTexas]

I always associate mint juleps with Kentucky but am not sure if that's where they originated. And after you have a few, I doubt you'll want anymore! But you're certainly welcome to sit on the porch and drink anything you want. BTW, I've always considered Virginia to be part of the south... isn't it???

[cami]

Beesy's feelings hurt.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_7.gif


What fun it'd be to sip iced tea and sleuth all day. There's a great park right down the street from me, which means it's down the street from your house too. Newsomes is in the boonies. I mean waaaaaaaay boonies. It's about 30 miles from Franklin and I think there's only one street, maybe 2 LOL.
Franklin not only has a Wal-Mart, but a Super Center! We have a nice movie theater, bowling alley and even an Applebees! There was big excitement when that moved to town. Alas, no ice skating rink. There's a roller rink! Norfolk is about 50 miles away and they have a hockey team though.
But nevermind, you don't want to live near beesy now anyway. :snooty:

I don't know if Cami can come if you don't have a hockey rink and Tim Hortons.

[cami]

Rowlett, Texas has an estimated population of 52,500 (in 2005). If we could collect FOUR DOLLARS from each resident, we would have enough $$$. Let's buy the house, that way, the "residents" own it. THen we all donate to make it a memorial park or gardens for the town that celebrates the life of Devon and Damon...
I am going to go work on some word problems. Gee, my kids aren't in school yet, but once they are, they sure better not come to me for MATH help!!!

Oh I was always lousy at math. My brain sees numbers and it just stops and won't work.

My $4.00 cheque is in the mail.

(oldest lie in the book)

[beesy]

I always associate mint juleps with Kentucky but am not sure if that's where they originated. And after you have a few, I doubt you'll want anymore! But you're certainly welcome to sit on the porch and drink anything you want. BTW, I've always considered Virginia to be part of the south... isn't it??? Mint Juleps are from Kentucky. They are the official drink of the Kentucky Derby. And honey, of course Virginia is the South! Gen. Robert E. Lee is a Virginian and the Confederate capital was in Richmond. Bless your heart, you didn't know..

[beesy]

Okay I'm up for that, although I did want to sit on that porch sipping mint juleps, LOl. Oh that's down south isn't it? Oh, but I have a big front porch. Most people don't screen in their front porches around here, but there's a fan and a swing!

[cami]

I always associate mint juleps with Kentucky but am not sure if that's where they originated. And after you have a few, I doubt you'll want anymore! But you're certainly welcome to sit on the porch and drink anything you want. BTW, I've always considered Virginia to be part of the south... isn't it???

LOL, yeah I don't even drink either but I would like to try one, so we will have to make it tea. Red Rose and vanilla bean are my favourites. If it's hot, then it's cranberry juice and club soda and lime.

[HeartofTexas]

Guess what ladies! I found an article from 2004 where this house was auctioned off, and it was listed as a triplex! Soooooo, Cami can have one floor, J2's family can have another floor, and I can have the last floor. It was meant to be!

Here's another picture of the house, at the time of the auction. It appears from the newer picture on the Century 21 page that some repairs or painting have been done since the auction. Also, it's a bit hard to read some of the tiny print on the auction page, but one of them appeared to show the house's value at around $137,000, which is certainly closer to what Beezy indicated. So either the new owners have done one heckuva lot of updating and renovating, or it's a pipedream to think about selling it at $225,000.

http://www.auctionva.com/html/Completed%20Auctions/Franklin%203/parcel_3.htm

[beesy]

so we're still in?? I thought you were backing out of the deal! LOL No of course not! I just really thought the guy with the shark was cute so I thought I'd sneak him in somewhere. You're the ones bailing on me now. Looking at houses, in
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the county......sob

[j2mirish]

I don't know if Cami can come if you don't have a hockey rink and Tim Hortons.
oh my- i forgot all about the tim hortons-- everytime we go out of town my kids want to know if there will be a tim hortons where we are going!!

[beesy]

I wonder if the improvements the Newsoms house is referring to might be air-conditioning? It certainly would be top choice for me! but I don't want you to move to the county.... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_15v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) ...must be Franklin

[beesy]

Guess what ladies! I found an article from 2004 where this house was auctioned off, and it was listed as a triplex! Soooooo, Cami can have one floor, J2's family can have another floor, and I can have the last floor. It was meant to be!

Here's another picture of the house, at the time of the auction. It appears from the newer picture on the Century 21 page that some repairs or painting have been done since the auction. Also, it's a bit hard to read some of the tiny print on the auction page, but one of them appeared to show the house's value at around $137,000, which is certainly closer to what Beezy indicated. So either the new owners have done one heckuva lot of updating and renovating, or it's a pipedream to think about selling it at $225,000.

http://www.auctionva.com/html/Completed%20Auctions/Franklin%203/parcel_3.htm It's been repainted. I noticed that today. I still don't think they'll get that much for it though. Isn't that house around the corner on the right really pretty? I love that house. I'm not sure if it's still a triplex though. Wouldn't it say that in the newer listing?

[HeartofTexas]

I saw that one, Beesy, and it reminded me of how you described your house. Soooo pretty. And I agree, they won't get that much for the Franklin house.

[beesy]

I saw that one, Beesy, and it reminded me of how you described your house. Soooo pretty. And I agree, they won't get that much for the Franklin house. Here's another house:
http://www.hrmls.com/scottassociate1/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?+NzM1MzY3MGE4NTU4NDQ0YWU5Nzg1ZDMxNWZmMzQ4Y 2USlI0iZbI78etCOGgMJ6%2f1KvBkVte4iAPU53bKEL9W+i%2f wLcvTQGrtaM6F2yh6f13LJfUZcA%3d%3d

And another:
http://www.hrmls.com/scottassociate1/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?+MGM0MjhjMjNjMWIzY2NmOTY0NDUwOGZkMjllMTIyO TISlI0iZbI78etCOGgMJ6%2fxLfJmVte4iAPT53bKEL9W+i%2f wLcvTQGrtaM6F2yh6f13LJfUZcA%3d%3d
And another:
http://www.hrmls.com/scottassociate1/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?+NDNiN2Q5MTFhNzc2YjBjZWE3MTgxZGM5NmRlMTVmZ DYSlI0iZbI78etCOGgMJ6%2f0LPdiVte4iAHGr2jKXbZEtSKpJ M3WHW%2fKZ8P4ynw1c0qMPrE%3d
By the way, I know where all these houses are and they look much better in real life. Their camera sucks.

[HeartofTexas]

Thanks for the pix, Beesy. I see these houses are also a bit more expensive... $175,000-229,000. I was hoping to keep it $150,000 and under, but that doesn't seem probable with everything I'm looking at (unless I move over to Newsoms, and that doesn't seem probable either). I hate looking at stuff on that Scott Associates website... everything says MLS password required, so you have to email the guy to get any details... and I don't want to do that.

[HeartofTexas]

None of them will open for me either. And I have a Yahoo account which is showing that I'm signed in, too. I wonder what the problem is. Thanks so much for taking the time to do the pix, Beesy, even if I can't see them!

[beesy]

None of them will open for me either. And I have a Yahoo account which is showing that I'm signed in, too. I wonder what the problem is. Thanks so much for taking the time to do the pix, Beesy, even if I can't see them!It wasn't a big deal. They're on my puter anyway. Hmmmmm...I'll send them to your email or PM you. Just to see, both of you.

[beesy]

None of them will open for me either. And I have a Yahoo account which is showing that I'm signed in, too. I wonder what the problem is. Thanks so much for taking the time to do the pix, Beesy, even if I can't see them! Oh well, can't figure it out. I'm a dork. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_118v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)

[beesy]

i cant get them...bummer.... Hey, can't send them. Oh well. Do me a favor and delete your post that has the links to my pix.(this one) Just in case somebody else can pull them up. I just stuck them on here for you 2. Thanks!

[beesy]

Thanks for the pix, Beesy. I see these houses are also a bit more expensive... $175,000-229,000. I was hoping to keep it $150,000 and under, but that doesn't seem probable with everything I'm looking at (unless I move over to Newsoms, and that doesn't seem probable either). I hate looking at stuff on that Scott Associates website... everything says MLS password required, so you have to email the guy to get any details... and I don't want to do that.I happened to be driving past the house on N. High St. and there was a construction dude there, so I stopped to talk to him...hee
They are putting siding on the house and replacing carpets, and painting it. So it'll look better than in the pix. And those pix from 2004 show those ugly telephone polls. They've all been replaced and/or straightened up! They look nicer now too. Since we made this area a historic district, they had to shape everything up.
That house is Newsoms is great...even comes with a well-known peanut family "old money" name attached. I suppose I could drive to Newsoms to visit. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)

[j2mirish]

Hey, can't send them. Oh well. Do me a favor and delete your post that has the links to my pix.(this one) Just in case somebody else can pull them up. I just stuck them on here for you 2. Thanks!DONE--- THANKS FOR TRYING-

[beesy]

DONE--- THANKS FOR TRYING- Thanks muchly luv

[beesy]

Thanks for the pix, Beesy. I see these houses are also a bit more expensive... $175,000-229,000. I was hoping to keep it $150,000 and under, but that doesn't seem probable with everything I'm looking at (unless I move over to Newsoms, and that doesn't seem probable either). I hate looking at stuff on that Scott Associates website... everything says MLS password required, so you have to email the guy to get any details... and I don't want to do that. awww poo! I know the Scott annoyed me too. Guess they don't want anybody to just look. :razz:

[beesy]

LOL, yeah I don't even drink either but I would like to try one, so we will have to make it tea. Red Rose and vanilla bean are my favourites. If it's hot, then it's cranberry juice and club soda and lime. We're talking about iced tea. You're not allowed to put anything in it but sugar or lemon. In fact, it's usually called sweet tea

[Goody]

There are pics of Beesy out there somewhere? Where praytell? :) Can we see too?

[j2mirish]

We're talking about iced tea. You're not allowed to put anything in it, but sugar or lemon in it. In fact, it's usually called sweet tea
i think cami was talking about me opting for a cold beer instead of ice tea as we all sit on the porch.....seems i will be the trouble making roomate!

[beesy]

i think cami was talking about me opting for a cold beer instead of ice tea as we all sit on the porch.....seems i will be the trouble making roomate! No, she was saying which types of tea she liked and serving it hot and putting things in it. The horror

[beesy]

There are pics of Beesy out there somewhere? Where praytell? :) Can we see too? Ha! you make it sound like they are dirty pix. No I was trying to show them pix that we have taken of the houses in the neighborhood

[j2mirish]

:laugh: :laugh:


Ha! you make it sound like they are dirty pix. No I was trying to show them pix that we have taken of the houses in the neighborhood

[beesy]

:laugh: :laugh: http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_3_1.gifI'm here all week

[HeartofTexas]

I thought they were making fun of Cami for wanting to drink Mint Juleps! Pay no attention to any of them... they're just jealous cuz we're all going to live within a block of each other!

[Goody]

No, she was saying which types of tea she liked and serving it hot and putting things in it. The horror
That's a southern thing...making tea and pouring booze in it. I just saw a chef on the Food Network and he showed us all just how to do it at his "southern" barbeque show. hahahahahahahaha.

[beesy]

[QUOTE=HeartofTexasthey're just jealous cuz are you talking ta me..are you talking ta me http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_6_8.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) That's the best DeNiro I can do

I was teasing cami about drinking hot tea and flavoring it. Why did that one little line send this thread into a tailspin people? Why, I ask you why?

[beesy]

That's a southern thing...making tea and pouring booze in it. I just saw a chef on the Food Network and he showed us all just how to do it at his "southern" barbeque show. hahahahahahahaha. Sigh...I was teasing cami about drinking hot tea with vanilla bean and such. Only iced sweet tea allowed....oh yeah and whiskey, that's ok too. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_8.gif

[Goody]

Sigh...I was teasing cami about drinking hot tea with vanilla bean and such. Only iced sweet tea allowed....oh yeah and whiskey, that's ok too. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_8.gif (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_8.gif)
You're stuttering again, Beesy. Or maybe you're just a bit tipsy from all that good old southern sweet tea. hahahahahhahahah

[cami]

We're talking about iced tea. You're not allowed to put anything in it but sugar or lemon. In fact, it's usually called sweet tea

No, stick your old iced tea. Cranberry juice, club soda and lime is a much better refresher on a hot day--no sugar at all but you can stick some vodka in it if you've a mind to.

[cami]

No, she was saying which types of tea she liked and serving it hot and putting things in it. The horror

LOL, don't you know we drink hot tea in Canada. It's cold in Canada don't you know. Actually, you misread me, I meant when it's hot outside we can sip Cranberry/soda cocktails. I like hot tea, Red Rose or Vanilla Bean. I don't put anything in it but a tad of milk, no sugar. I don't drink coffee. I think I might be the only Canadian who hates Tim Hortons, especially the coffee. Please don't tell on me though, I might get deported and I like it here. :slap:

[cami]

oh my- i forgot all about the tim hortons-- everytime we go out of town my kids want to know if there will be a tim hortons where we are going!!

LOL, I see they are hooked. What is it I wonder. :eek: They are every two hundred feet up here it seems, LOL. Our Scottish friends really played that up this summer with their Scot's accents: " can you no go two hundred feet wiout your wee coffee and donuts."

[j2mirish]

LOL, I see they are hooked. What is it I wonder. :eek: They are every two hundred feet up here it seems, LOL. Our Scottish friends really played that up this summer with their Scot's accents: " can you no go two hundred feet wiout your wee coffee and donuts."
THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! oh my- i just read you dont like them......hmmmm- are you sure you are canadian??? LOL

[Goody]

No, stick your old iced tea. Cranberry juice, club soda and lime is a much better refresher on a hot day--no sugar at all but you can stick some vodka in it if you've a mind to.
<gag, gag.>...vodka???? O, yuck, Cami!!! It sounded good until you got to that part. (sorry but booze makes Goody sick just thinking about it these days)

[Goody]

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! oh my- i just read you dont like them......hmmmm- are you sure you are canadian??? LOL
There is an oddball in every group, J2. The Mexican who hates salsa, the Irishman who hates fried chips, and the Canadian who hates Tim Hortons. LOL! And I fit right in there too because I am the southerner who doesn't like grits!!

[j2mirish]

There is an oddball in every group, J2. The Mexican who hates salsa, the Irishman who hates fried chips, and the Canadian who hates Tim Hortons. LOL! And I fit right in there too because I am the southerner who doesn't like grits!!
good point goody--but canadian or not, I cant imagine not liking tim hortons donuts!!!

[Goody]

good point goody--but canadian or not, I cant imagine not liking tim hortons donuts!!!
Can't tell ya. I have never heard of them before. hahahahahah!

[j2mirish]

Can't tell ya. I have never heard of them before. hahahahahah!
thats because you are not canadian---LOL
:rolleyes:

[Goody]

thats because you are not canadian---LOL
:rolleyes:
Excellent point. hahahahahahahaha!

[Goody]

[QUOTE] are you talking ta me..are you talking ta me http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_6_8.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) That's the best DeNiro I can do

I was teasing cami about drinking hot tea and flavoring it. Why did that one little line send this thread into a tailspin people? Why, I ask you why?
Cause we will pick up on anything and run with it. That's why! hahahahahahah!

[beesy]

Cause we will pick up on anything and run with it. That's why! hahahahahahah! apparentlyhttp://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/46.gif

[cami]

<gag, gag.>...vodka???? O, yuck, Cami!!! It sounded good until you got to that part. (sorry but booze makes Goody sick just thinking about it these days)

It is dear I take mine sans vodka as I am like you makes me sick just thinking of it, LOL. Although I do love beer but it doesn't like me back.