Recent Picture of Patsy & Burke!

[Shanny]

Burke is cute!
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1462&stc=1

Patsy:
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1461&stc=1
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[Toltec]

Burke hasn't changed much...except he is much taller! JonBenet, who looked like her brother, would have been a tall lean beautiful teen.

Patsy looks like she is on steroids...the lump on her lymph gland looks terrible. She must be in really bad health.

[Lauren]

How sad this case has been. Burke is a nice looking young man. Poor Patsy looks awful. I can only imagine what a toll on this it has took on her mental and physical health.

[luvbeaches]

Burke looks great! I hope his college-years go well.

[trixie]

Patsy just looks fat to me. Steroids give you a "moon face". Not a roll under the chin like she has. Burkes a cutie. Too bad he has to worry about his mom at this exciting new time of his life. I feel for him.

[blueclouds]

Patsy just looks fat to me. Steroids give you a "moon face". Not a roll under the chin like she has. Burkes a cutie. Too bad he has to worry about his mom at this exciting new time of his life. I feel for him.
my mother had rolls under her chin during treatments...??? :confused:

[K777angel]

Patsy just looks fat to me. Steroids give you a "moon face". Not a roll under the chin like she has. Burkes a cutie. Too bad he has to worry about his mom at this exciting new time of his life. I feel for him.

I recognize that look of Patsy's face well. It looks just like my own mother's did in her final months of battling ovarian cancer.
Give Patsy a break. The woman is dying of a horrible disease the doctors call the "black death."

[Seeker]

I recognize that look of Patsy's face well. It looks just like my own mother's did in her final months of battling ovarian cancer.
Give Patsy a break. The woman is dying of a horrible disease the doctors call the "black death."
That would be the plague, not cancer.

Patsy's been "dying" of "stage four ovarian cancer" for 12 years now...

When my father died of cancer he wasn't much more than a living skeleton...he certainly wasn't fat like Patsy is in that photo.

A double chin is a sign of obesity...

[Becba]

That would be the plague, not cancer.

Patsy's been "dying" of "stage four ovarian cancer" for 12 years now...

When my father died of cancer he wasn't much more than a living skeleton...he certainly wasn't fat like Patsy is in that photo.

A double chin is a sign of obesity...
If you look at her arms they are not fat at all. Her face is swollen and pushing down on her neck. IMO It is from the medication.
She hasn't had cancer for 12 yrs. She has went into remission in between.

[tipper]

To quote our beloved Maxi from Purgatory:

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April 30

That's how it goes when you have metastatic cancer like Patsy. You get chemo, which may stop the growth for a while, then it starts up again, and you go back on chemo. You just keep repeating that cycle until none of the chemos works anymore. She probably had scans that showed some growth.

May 17

Oh, goodness, she's not defying death over and over. She's just had successful chemo that drove back her cancer and bought her some more time. She's talked of being cured, but that's either a self-dramatization or self-delusion. She may win battles along the way, but she will lose the war.

I see no reason to doubt that Patsy had ovarian cancer. There are lots of other women whose disease has followed a similar pattern. Check out some online support groups for women with ovarian cancer if you have any doubts.

[Seeker]

If you look at her arms they are not fat at all. Her face is swollen and pushing down on her neck. IMO It is from the medication.
She hasn't had cancer for 12 yrs. She has went into remission in between.
Thank you tipper for bringing Maxi's words to us. It confirms exactly what I said.

Going into remission doesn't mean the cancer is gone, or that someone is cured! It simply means the cells are shrinking and going into a dormant stage...

Patsy has had cancer for 12 years. It never actually went away. She was never actually cured of cancer therefor she's had it for 12 years and been battleing reoccurances.

If you look at John's face it's fat too (course he is really old now). Medication does not cause someone to have a double chin. In that particular photo her chin and neck look fat. Her head is not bent enough to cause any type of double chin or fat neck look. When my friend had a thyroid condition her neck, butt and stomache were fat while her arms and legs were thin. Patsy has supposedly been in bed unable to function because the cancer had spread to her brain (remember that lie?). If that were even remotely true she could have gained weight from not being able to walk, or excersize at all...
But we can all see that it isn't true (thankfully) and she's completely mobile.

Patsy definately is unwell, but she isn't at death's door! If she were she wouldn't be as mobile as she is IMO. She would be in a wheelchair because she would lack the strength to stand and walk on her own accord.

[RiverRat]

This is the only ones that counts for me.

[tipper]

Thank you tipper for bringing Maxi's words to us. It confirms exactly what I said.

Going into remission doesn't mean the cancer is gone, or that someone is cured! It simply means the cells are shrinking and going into a dormant stage...

Patsy has had cancer for 12 years. It never actually went away. She was never actually cured of cancer therefor she's had it for 12 years and been battleing reoccurances.

If you look at John's face it's fat too (course he is really old now). Medication does not cause someone to have a double chin. In that particular photo her chin and neck look fat. Her head is not bent enough to cause any type of double chin or fat neck look. When my friend had a thyroid condition her neck, butt and stomache were fat while her arms and legs were thin. Patsy has supposedly been in bed unable to function because the cancer had spread to her brain (remember that lie?). If that were even remotely true she could have gained weight from not being able to walk, or excersize at all...
But we can all see that it isn't true (thankfully) and she's completely mobile.

Patsy definately is unwell, but she isn't at death's door! If she were she wouldn't be as mobile as she is IMO. She would be in a wheelchair because she would lack the strength to stand and walk on her own accord.Maybe Tricia could check with her source for an update?

Becba, I am as certain about this information as I am that Patsy has cancer.

I confirmed it with a very reliable source in Michigan after Susan Bennet, the Ramsey nutcase, posted on her site that Patsy needed a miracle.

The definition of "close" is where we run into the grey area.

Does close mean tomorrow or by the end of the year? I don't know. I would venture to guess that close means within 30 days but that is a guess.

I don't know if Patsy is in Michigan or in Atlanta. I do know the time is close.
Added: When my mother was dying of cancer she was able to muster her strength to do some things but she had to rest up ahead and was frequently bedridden the next day. A few days before she died she spent nearly all her time sleeping and towards the end was semi-comatose. But up to that point she (with planning and a recovery period) was able to do things.

[K777angel]

That would be the plague, not cancer.

Patsy's been "dying" of "stage four ovarian cancer" for 12 years now...

When my father died of cancer he wasn't much more than a living skeleton...he certainly wasn't fat like Patsy is in that photo.

A double chin is a sign of obesity...

Excuse me but the doctors also described ovarian cancer to us as the "black death." Just because the plague is described as such also does NOT mean that other horrible deaths cannot be termed similarly.

Patsy has NOT been "dying" of stage 4 ovarian cancer for 12 years. That is a gross distortion. She has rejoiced in her remissions. As did my mother.
My mother was stage 4 when DIAGNOSED. The doctors told her she was
"dying." She lived on for 6 and a half years.
My mother basically starved to death as the ovarian cancer, as it does, ravaged and destroyed her intestintal system. Yet - she was bloated and puffy just like Patsy looks.
At least get your facts right.

[Seeker]

Excuse me but the doctors also described ovarian cancer to us as the "black death." Just because the plague is described as such also does NOT mean that other horrible deaths cannot be termed similarly.

Patsy has NOT been "dying" of stage 4 ovarian cancer for 12 years. That is a gross distortion. She has rejoiced in her remissions. As did my mother.
My mother was stage 4 when DIAGNOSED. The doctors told her she was
"dying." She lived on for 6 and a half years.
My mother basically starved to death as the ovarian cancer, as it does, ravaged and destroyed her intestintal system. Yet - she was bloated and puffy just like Patsy looks.
At least get your facts right.
Sorry to hear about your mother.

I've never heard any doctor, esp an Oncologist, call cancer "the black death". That would be a complete misrepresentation of a clinical diagnosis and an immediate cause for reprisal by the AMA.
Plague causes fever and a painful swelling of the lymph glands called buboes, which is how it gets its name (Bubonic). The disease also causes spots on the skin that are red at first and then turn black. Thus the term "The Black Death".

No competant doctor calls cancer the black death. Ever.

Yes, and my facts are straight, Patsy has been dying of Stage IV Cancer for 12 years...
She was diagnosed with it, as Stage IV, in 1993. It NEVER went away, it was always there lurking and showing up sporadically in other areas. The spot on her liver is just one of the reoccurances. Remission does not mean it's cured and never coming back. Rejoicing when being told they are in remission is normal for patients, but most survivors know that it can change at any time. A competant oncologist will warn patients that not only can it come back, but that it can be stronger and show up in other locals and that it can be even harder to treat.

Patsy was considered "terminal" just as your mother was the moment they were each diagnosed with Stage IV Ovarian Cancer.
How long it takes/took the disease to kill doesn't matter. The ENTIRE time they were considered to be "dying" of the disease and/or complications from it. Saying stage IV cancer patients are not terminal and dying is like saying AIDS patients aren't.
They are dying, even if they don't feel the effects or aren't having an outbreak.

My father was diagnosed with inoperable cancer and told he would have approx 6 months. He survived another 6 + years...when he died he was emaciated. He was not "puffy" from any meds or from the cancer that ravaged his body. It may be diffferent for women, but I know Gilda Radner wasn't "puffy" or "swollen" when she passed either. She also was emaciated. Skin drawn basically over skeleton is how I would describe it.

We are all terminal.

As for Patsy, her face does look puffy in that photo, but that wouldn't account for her DOUBLE CHIN. There is a distinct difference in swelling and how it looks from what I see on that photo. Patsy's neck does not look swollen or puffy to me, it looks fat. It may be that the photo was changed to make it look worse than it is too...it is on a tabloid which is designed soley to make money.

[tipper]

It's probably highly individual. My mother wasn't emaciated when she died but all my life she was battling an extra 20+ pounds. I've never seen a picture where Patsy wasn't at least slightly overweight. Except of course the Miss America ones. She and her sisters seem genetically prone to being fat.

[why_nutt]

My father was diagnosed with inoperable cancer and told he would have approx 6 months. He survived another 6 + years...when he died he was emaciated. He was not "puffy" from any meds or from the cancer that ravaged his body. It may be diffferent for women, but I know Gilda Radner wasn't "puffy" or "swollen" when she passed either. She also was emaciated. Skin drawn basically over skeleton is how I would describe it.

We are all terminal.

As for Patsy, her face does look puffy in that photo, but that wouldn't account for her DOUBLE CHIN. There is a distinct difference in swelling and how it looks from what I see on that photo. Patsy's neck does not look swollen or puffy to me, it looks fat. It may be that the photo was changed to make it look worse than it is too...it is on a tabloid which is designed soley to make money.

John Cardinal O'Connor was diagnosed with brain cancer in 1999, died a year later in 2000, served mass during his treatments, was not an especially fat man, and as you can see, he definitely developed fat rolls under his chin as a result of treatments and not because of a sudden gorging on good food during his cancer.

Before diagnosis, the Cardinal that New Yorkers knew:

http://www.thomasaquinas.edu/assets/images/friends_and%20_visitors/oconnor.jpg

After diagnosis, during his year of treatment before he died:

http://www.congressionalgoldmedal.com/JohnCardinalOConnor3.jpg

[armywife210]

my Dad went through years of cancer... and treatments and steroids made him look like this. It doesn't just give you a moon face, it affects the whole body.

[armywife210]

To quote our beloved Maxi from Purgatory:

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April 30

That's how it goes when you have metastatic cancer like Patsy. You get chemo, which may stop the growth for a while, then it starts up again, and you go back on chemo. You just keep repeating that cycle until none of the chemos works anymore. She probably had scans that showed some growth.

May 17

Oh, goodness, she's not defying death over and over. She's just had successful chemo that drove back her cancer and bought her some more time. She's talked of being cured, but that's either a self-dramatization or self-delusion. She may win battles along the way, but she will lose the war.

I see no reason to doubt that Patsy had ovarian cancer. There are lots of other women whose disease has followed a similar pattern. Check out some online support groups for women with ovarian cancer if you have any doubts.


I am with ya. My Dad was diagnosed with non hodgkins lymphoma in my sophmore year of high school. The treatments stopped its growth eventually, but it left him looking just like Patsy does in this photo. He was cured through an experimental stem cell transplant after a seven year battle. Then 7 years later it came back and took him out in two months time.

[armywife210]

Sorry to hear about your mother.

I've never heard any doctor, esp an Oncologist, call cancer "the black death". That would be a complete misrepresentation of a clinical diagnosis and an immediate cause for reprisal by the AMA.
Plague causes fever and a painful swelling of the lymph glands called buboes, which is how it gets its name (Bubonic). The disease also causes spots on the skin that are red at first and then turn black. Thus the term "The Black Death".

No competant doctor calls cancer the black death. Ever.

Yes, and my facts are straight, Patsy has been dying of Stage IV Cancer for 12 years...
She was diagnosed with it, as Stage IV, in 1993. It NEVER went away, it was always there lurking and showing up sporadically in other areas. The spot on her liver is just one of the reoccurances. Remission does not mean it's cured and never coming back. Rejoicing when being told they are in remission is normal for patients, but most survivors know that it can change at any time. A competant oncologist will warn patients that not only can it come back, but that it can be stronger and show up in other locals and that it can be even harder to treat.

Patsy was considered "terminal" just as your mother was the moment they were each diagnosed with Stage IV Ovarian Cancer.
How long it takes/took the disease to kill doesn't matter. The ENTIRE time they were considered to be "dying" of the disease and/or complications from it. Saying stage IV cancer patients are not terminal and dying is like saying AIDS patients aren't.
They are dying, even if they don't feel the effects or aren't having an outbreak.

My father was diagnosed with inoperable cancer and told he would have approx 6 months. He survived another 6 + years...when he died he was emaciated. He was not "puffy" from any meds or from the cancer that ravaged his body. It may be diffferent for women, but I know Gilda Radner wasn't "puffy" or "swollen" when she passed either. She also was emaciated. Skin drawn basically over skeleton is how I would describe it.

We are all terminal.

As for Patsy, her face does look puffy in that photo, but that wouldn't account for her DOUBLE CHIN. There is a distinct difference in swelling and how it looks from what I see on that photo. Patsy's neck does not look swollen or puffy to me, it looks fat. It may be that the photo was changed to make it look worse than it is too...it is on a tabloid which is designed soley to make money.
I cannot even begin to grasp what you are thinking. I am the child of a cancer victim. Cancer has taken my Dad (lymphoma and later stomache cancer took his life), my best friend (leukemia), my little cousin (leukemia), my older cousin (ovarian cancer)... and I know many people who have it because I volunteer at a oncology hospital in Oklahoma City. This is what the look like. Some of them get real thin, like those dying of stomache cancer. However those dying of lymphoma, ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, and many others look just like this.
And where do you get off saying that no competent doctor calls cancer the black death. Perhaps you haven't conversed with top notch oncologists all over the country as I have, and others have. You have no rights to undermine the intelligence and dilligence of these physicians. Do you have any idea what these physicians go through every day of their lives for these people? So are you calling them liars and frauds, or us for quoting them?

[deanws]

I have cancer and have gained weight. The steroids they use to keep my pain down make me fat in the tummy and have a round face. Also, the feeling of tiredness makes you want to just scream. :eek:

[trixie]

I have cancer and have gained weight. The steroids they use to keep my pain down make me fat in the tummy and have a round face. Also, the feeling of tiredness makes you want to just scream. :eek:

I'm so truly sorry about your illness. Stay strong, they are making advances on this disease all the time.

[deanws]

I'm so truly sorry about your illness. Stay strong, they are making advances on this disease all the time.I know. I am taking a new kind of chemo now that has a great success rate...especially for people who have lupus also. I am hanging in there. And, like Patsy...this is not my first bout with this disease. I am glad to have been born in this day and age, when we have wonderful meds that can prolong our life. :p

[tipper]

I know. I am taking a new kind of chemo now that has a great success rate...especially for people who have lupus also. I am hanging in there. And, like Patsy...this is not my first bout with this disease. I am glad to have been born in this day and age, when we have wonderful meds that can prolong our life. :pI agree so much! When I was a kid I had scoliosis and they fused a piece of my shin bone to my spine. I spent a year flat on my back in a body cast. At that time my alternative was to be crippled for life. If nothing that taught me self-control and patience. Not to mentrion an appreciaation for medical science,

I am also a cancer survivor and in addition since 2000 have a bizarre problem called Prinzmetal angina.

But as you say we appreciate beiing born in a time and place when relief is available.

[Angie]

Deffinitely steroids will puff your whole body up. My daughter went through 26 months of chemotherapy for leukemia at age 7, and steroids was in the protocol as well as so many other painful treatments, anyway she swelled everywhere until she stopped taking those steroids, this was off and on for months. She's a healthy 11 year old now.

[deanws]

Deffinitely steroids will puff your whole body up. My daughter went through 26 months of chemotherapy for leukemia at age 7, and steroids was in the protocol as well as so many other painful treatments, anyway she swelled everywhere until she stopped taking those steroids, this was off and on for months. She's a healthy 11 year old now.WOW....what a heartache for a family to go through. I can't imagine watching my child go through such misery. ;( I am glad she is healthy now.:dance:

[K777angel]

I cannot even begin to grasp what you are thinking. I am the child of a cancer victim. Cancer has taken my Dad (lymphoma and later stomache cancer took his life), my best friend (leukemia), my little cousin (leukemia), my older cousin (ovarian cancer)... and I know many people who have it because I volunteer at a oncology hospital in Oklahoma City. This is what the look like. Some of them get real thin, like those dying of stomache cancer. However those dying of lymphoma, ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, and many others look just like this.
And where do you get off saying that no competent doctor calls cancer the black death. Perhaps you haven't conversed with top notch oncologists all over the country as I have, and others have. You have no rights to undermine the intelligence and dilligence of these physicians. Do you have any idea what these physicians go through every day of their lives for these people? So are you calling them liars and frauds, or us for quoting them?

Right on Armywife!! I couldn't have said it better.
And bless you for your volunteer work at a cancer hospital. That takes a certain kind of gentle soul. God bless you.

[deanws]

I agree so much! When I was a kid I had scoliosis and they fused a piece of my shin bone to my spine. I spent a year flat on my back in a body cast. At that time my alternative was to be crippled for life. If nothing that taught me self-control and patience. Not to mentrion an appreciaation for medical science,

I am also a cancer survivor and in addition since 2000 have a bizarre problem called Prinzmetal angina.

But as you say we appreciate beiing born in a time and place when relief is available.That sounds terrible. :( Did you have a tutor during that year? Was the pain terrible? I had a fusion on 3,4,5 of my spine, but I didn't have to lay flat or have a body cast. BLESS your heart. I have never heard of the PA. Can you tell me a little about it? Gosh...I hope you feel better soon. :blowkiss:

[sue1017]

Is it just me or does anyone think that John Ramsey looks a little like Bill O'Reilly?

Not trying to change the subject just a thought.

S

[deanws]

Is it just me or does anyone think that John Ramsey looks a little like Bill O'Reilly?

Not trying to change the subject just a thought.

SOMGosh...I do too! He has not aged nicely has he? :(

[tipper]

Here's a quick synopsis. I'm one of the ones with otherwise normal arteries and everything stays fine so long as I take my daily medicine. Unfortunately it's so uncommon that there's not much money spent on research.

http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/3059.html
Prinzmetal's angina
Also known as:
Prinzmetal's syndrome
Prinzmetal's variant angina
Prinzmetal’s variant of angina pectoris
Prinzmetal-Massumi syndrome

Synonyms:
Angina inversa, anterior chest wall syndrome, anterior thoracic wall syndrome, coronary syndrome, acute coronary insufficiency, mild myocardial infarction, spasme angina pectoris, variant angina.

Associated persons:
Rashid A. Massumi (http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/2573.html)
http://www.whonamedit.com/grafikk/blank.gif
Myron Prinzmetal (http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/2574.html)
http://www.whonamedit.com/grafikk/blank.gif

Description:
An unusual and uncommon form of angina, often with long-lasting attacks, in which pain is experienced at rest and sometimes while in bed rather than during activity. It is caused by total occlusion of proximal coronary arteries due to spasm. Most commonly seen during the night and accompanied by severe disturbances of the heart rhythm. The electrocardiogram taken during an attack will indicate S-T segment elevation rather than depression. The condition occurs without preceding changes in heart rate and blood pressure. Most patients have underlying coronary artery disease, but some have normal arteries. A prolonged attack may lead to ventricular arrhythmia, myocardial infarction, heart block, and sudden death.

[Seeker]

I cannot even begin to grasp what you are thinking. I am the child of a cancer victim. Cancer has taken my Dad (lymphoma and later stomache cancer took his life), my best friend (leukemia), my little cousin (leukemia), my older cousin (ovarian cancer)... and I know many people who have it because I volunteer at a oncology hospital in Oklahoma City. This is what the look like. Some of them get real thin, like those dying of stomache cancer. However those dying of lymphoma, ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, and many others look just like this.
And where do you get off saying that no competent doctor calls cancer the black death. Perhaps you haven't conversed with top notch oncologists all over the country as I have, and others have. You have no rights to undermine the intelligence and dilligence of these physicians. Do you have any idea what these physicians go through every day of their lives for these people? So are you calling them liars and frauds, or us for quoting them?

I too have lost many loved ones from cancer. My father (as I posted and you quoted but apparently ignored) and my cousin who died of luekemia...as well as many others.

Where do I get off saying no competant oncologist calls cancer the black death?

9 years in the medical field, 4 of those in the pathology department.

You're welcome.

[Shanny]

When I see the pictures of Patsy having Cancer and John getting older
it makes me wonder how they would have raised JonBenet
Burke is in College so he is already independant
but JonBenet would have only been 15 years old
Patsy being 50 and John being in his 60's I wonder if they would have had the energy to keep up with JonBenet.

[tipper]

When I see the pictures of Patsy having Cancer and John getting older
it makes me wonder how they would have raised JonBenet
Burke is in College so he is already independant
but JonBenet would have only been 15 years old
Patsy being 50 and John being in his 60's I wonder if they would have had the energy to keep up with JonBenet.
I was 50 when my daughter was 15. She and I work our horses together, we laugh a lot, we hang out. I don't think it would have been an issue.

How old are you? I'm betting less than 50 :-)

[BlueCrab]

When I see the pictures of Patsy having Cancer and John getting older
it makes me wonder how they would have raised JonBenet
Burke is in College so he is already independant
but JonBenet would have only been 15 years old
Patsy being 50 and John being in his 60's I wonder if they would have had the energy to keep up with JonBenet.


Shanny,

Piece of cake -- I've had 5 grandchildren living with me, now ages 9 to 17, for 4 years now, and I have no wife or live-in girlfriend. Gotta admit I haven't been doing a super job and recently hired a 19-year-old live-in nanny to help, but I'm getting the job done and keeping them together. People do what they gotta do.

BlueCrab

[capps]

Standing ovation for BlueCrab!!

I'm sure your grandkids thank their lucky stars for you every day ... even though they may not show it.

[armywife210]

Right on Armywife!! I couldn't have said it better.
And bless you for your volunteer work at a cancer hospital. That takes a certain kind of gentle soul. God bless you.
Oh thank you. I am so blessed through volunteering. It's amazing how God works. I love people so much, and no matter what they are going through they just don't lose who they are. They have bad days, far too many, but their personalities always shine through. I love the kiddos. The little guys are always so honest with no inhibitions. I just love listening to them, and playing with them. They have taught me so much.

[K777angel]

Oh thank you. I am so blessed through volunteering. It's amazing how God works. I love people so much, and no matter what they are going through they just don't lose who they are. They have bad days, far too many, but their personalities always shine through. I love the kiddos. The little guys are always so honest with no inhibitions. I just love listening to them, and playing with them. They have taught me so much.

Oh bless you! I cannot even stand the thought of a little child with cancer!
When I see an image of one of them on tv occasionally - I have to quickly change the channel! It sears my heart right down to the core.
Yes - they are so honest and real and precious. It makes you realize why Jesus said, "Unless you become like little children you cannot enter the Kingdom of God."
Their little hearts are right there so close to God.

[Mygirlsadie]

Burke is cute!
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1462&stc=1

Patsy:
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1461&stc=1
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Ok so does she have cancer or not.?? I hear that she does..then I hear that she doesnt!!??

[Shanny]

I was 50 when my daughter was 15. She and I work our horses together, we laugh a lot, we hang out. I don't think it would have been an issue.

How old are you? I'm betting less than 50 :-)
I am 21, but I wasn't talking about so much as the Ramsey's age, I was talking about both of the Ramsey's health, neither of them look so good, and I am just wondering the way they look now could they have kept up with teenager JonBenet if she were lived today.

[K777angel]

Seeker - we did not say that "cancer" is referred to as black death - we said OVARIAN cancer specifically.

[Seeker]

Seeker - we did not say that "cancer" is referred to as black death - we said OVARIAN cancer specifically.
Thank you for clarifying that for me K777angel. I personally have never had, nor known anyone who was battling stage 4 ovarian cancer. Cancer, in any form, is an isidious disease that I wholeheartedly wish could be erradicated.

I still would think that a physician/oncologist would be very discreet and careful not to call it something that is so contagious and risk causing a panick.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I really am.

[K777angel]

Thank you for clarifying that for me K777angel. I personally have never had, nor known anyone who was battling stage 4 ovarian cancer. Cancer, in any form, is an isidious disease that I wholeheartedly wish could be erradicated.

I still would think that a physician/oncologist would be very discreet and careful not to call it something that is so contagious and risk causing a panick.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I really am.

I appreciate your kindness Seeker.

I think the term "black death" is held in reserve today for particularly ravaging kinds of deaths perhaps. It is a more general term than the historical use of it for the plague only.
One of the reasons that ovarian cancer is SO ugly is that it is usually not even discovered or diagnosed until it is advanced.
By then, it is extremely difficult and rare to cure. That is why the death rate is so high.
It is "black" because of the nature of what it destroys in it's path and the effects on the body.
As in my mother's case - her heart was perfect.
Her brain was perfect.
Etc.
But - her abdominal cavity was literally eaten away.
She could no longer eat - but was hungry.
She could no longer drink - but was thirsty.
Liquids from IV's eventually begin to seep out the pores all over your body.
You swell up.
Your body can no longer receive food or drink as there is no "system" in your abdomen to accept it and convert it to nourishment and waste.
So you starve to death.
Slowly.

I pray we will soon find a CURE for cancer. ALL cancers.

[txsvicki]

Shanny,

Piece of cake -- I've had 5 grandchildren living with me, now ages 9 to 17, for 4 years now, and I have no wife or live-in girlfriend. Gotta admit I haven't been doing a super job and recently hired a 19-year-old live-in nanny to help, but I'm getting the job done and keeping them together. People do what they gotta do.

BlueCrab

I'm 50 with a disabled husband. We have custody of 4 grandkids age 11-4. I don't know how you've managed alone. I'm not sure I could. About Patsy, I don't see how she manages to have such styled hair, perfect make up, jewelry, nails, and nice clothing on when she is photographed. It takes a lot of energy just to go around looking good when well much less when in the end stages of cancer.