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Becba
09-03-2005, 07:37 AM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685

Tell me this is not so!

Dark Knight
09-03-2005, 07:43 AM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685

Tell me this is not so!
It's only at Naval sites.

Becba
09-03-2005, 07:44 AM
It's only at Naval sites.
So what! Bush and his cronies are trying to profit off of this tradgedy.
I am totally disgusted.

Dark Knight
09-03-2005, 07:48 AM
So what! Bush and his cronies are trying to profit off of this tradgedy.
I am totally disgusted.
It said it had something to do with a contract signed last year.

Becba
09-03-2005, 07:51 AM
How convienent. Haliburton has the contract for the wars and storms and who knows what else. Bush needs to be kicked out on his butt.

bulletgirl2002
09-03-2005, 08:30 AM
I don't know that Bush is the one that gives out these contracts. You guys give him wayyyyy too much credit.

Becba
09-03-2005, 08:40 AM
I don't know that Bush is the one that gives out these contracts. You guys give him wayyyyy too much credit.
And some give him way to much leeway.

DEPUTYDAWG
09-03-2005, 05:05 PM
There's an environmental cleanup firm my ex-hubby works for, HQ is in Baton Rouge. They will be transferring ex down to LA in October, as soon as their job in UT is finished. So, haliburton isn't going to be the only one working cleanup. Me thinks there will be hundreds of companies, and unfortunately, more than enough cleanup for hundreds of companies....

Ntegrity
09-03-2005, 05:19 PM
There's an environmental cleanup firm my ex-hubby works for, HQ is in Baton Rouge. They will be transferring ex down to LA in October, as soon as their job in UT is finished. So, haliburton isn't going to be the only one working cleanup. Me thinks there will be hundreds of companies, and unfortunately, more than enough cleanup for hundreds of companies....
But it doesn't serve the purpose of making it look like the President is in bed with Haliburton if they mention those other companies. :angel:

T'sNana
09-03-2005, 10:18 PM
My son-in-law's sister and BIL are going down this weekend to offer their (free) help in doing whatever...working in the shelters, helping cleaning up to get families back in less damaged homes, bulldozing debris (he has a lot of big dirt moving equipment), etc. I think that's great especially the way gas is right now. They really can't afford to make the trip and have 2 young children that will be staying with G-ma and G-pa, but they feel they have to do it, which is really nice, IMO.

lilpony
09-03-2005, 10:30 PM
So what! Bush and his cronies are trying to profit off of this tradgedy.
I am totally disgusted.
I am totally disgusted that you would say this. Its unbelievable. Give me a break...:furious: :furious:

kgeaux
09-04-2005, 11:52 AM
There's an environmental cleanup firm my ex-hubby works for, HQ is in Baton Rouge. They will be transferring ex down to LA in October, as soon as their job in UT is finished. So, haliburton isn't going to be the only one working cleanup. Me thinks there will be hundreds of companies, and unfortunately, more than enough cleanup for hundreds of companies....


I agree. Haliburton is experienced with environmental cleanup--they know how to do it. This has absolutely nothing to do with favoritism. Many, many companies will be involved in this cleanup.

DEPUTYDAWG
09-04-2005, 11:55 AM
But it doesn't serve the purpose of making it look like the President is in bed with Haliburton if they mention those other companies. :angel:


BINGO!!!

DEPUTYDAWG
09-04-2005, 12:00 PM
I agree. Haliburton is experienced with environmental cleanup--they know how to do it. This has absolutely nothing to do with favoritism. Many, many companies will be involved in this cleanup.

I would bet the citizens of LA really won't care right now WHAT companies are going to be hired to do cleanup - just that there will be companies coming in to do it!

I should've named the company my ex works for, it's Shaw Corporation. I'm sure they'll have other sections of their company doing cleanup, etc. earlier than the crew my ex will be on, as they don't finish their job in Utah until October. But Shaw has crews all over the nation at different worksites.

Until and unless I hear that there's a massive contract conspiracy with Haliburton, I'm glad they're being hired - I bet they know how to work a lot of these big cleanups. JMO.

kgeaux
09-04-2005, 12:32 PM
I would bet the citizens of LA really won't care right now WHAT companies are going to be hired to do cleanup - just that there will be companies coming in to do it!

I should've named the company my ex works for, it's Shaw Corporation. I'm sure they'll have other sections of their company doing cleanup, etc. earlier than the crew my ex will be on, as they don't finish their job in Utah until October. But Shaw has crews all over the nation at different worksites.

Until and unless I hear that there's a massive contract conspiracy with Haliburton, I'm glad they're being hired - I bet they know how to work a lot of these big cleanups. JMO.


Do you travel with him? If you come to LA, please contact me! We'll "do lunch" or something!

DEPUTYDAWG
09-04-2005, 12:40 PM
Do you travel with him? If you come to LA, please contact me! We'll "do lunch" or something!

No, although he's my ex, we're still on pretty good terms, but I have no desire to travel with him, LOL!

But if I get in your area, or you up here, you definitely sound like a great person to do lunch with!!! I've been to Baton Rouge (last time was 5/04 for a horse show in Gonzales), and NO...would love to get down in that area again some time. Have really been wondering about our horse show buddies from that area...I'm hoping that private show grounds in Gonzales is housing lots of horses and other animals right now, it's a wonderful, gorgeous facility.

And glad your friend's uncle has been found safe.

dakini
09-04-2005, 12:41 PM
If the vice president had not worked for Halliburton and if the contracts for the Iraq war had been more equitably bid on there would be little room for a critical view of them being involved in the clean up.

At this point, I personally don't care who cleans up. I just want people to be taken care of, treated fairly and kindly.

Halliburton isn't the only company involved.

There are politics involved in these contracts. Just the nature of it. It is not as if there is never any corruption involved when there is money to be made and lobbying etc.

BirdieBoo
09-04-2005, 12:41 PM
Until and unless I hear that there's a massive contract conspiracy with Haliburton, I'm glad they're being hired - I bet they know how to work a lot of these big cleanups. JMO.

Actually, I think that's what we've been hearing. Halliburton is in charge of many contracts for the Iraq war, too. Small pieces put together in a puzzle add up to big pieces. This isn't really a puzzle, though, for those paying attention.

It would be quite another thing entirely if Halliburton were not directly connected to the Vice President, If they were just a company experienced in these sorts of things. But Halliburton DOES have ties to Cheney. He used to be the CEO. So it appears to be a conflict of interest and undue corporate interest.

Saying that government chose Halliburton on its own merits rings a bit hollow, when the second-in-command of the government used to be the CEO.

Cheney appears to still be working for Halliburton, not for the people of the USA, who are his boss now.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....

Ntegrity
09-04-2005, 12:44 PM
So any company who has ever had ties with anyone in public office should be denied contracts for which they're qualified? Whatever :rolleyes:

BirdieBoo
09-04-2005, 12:47 PM
I would bet the citizens of LA really won't care right now WHAT companies are going to be hired to do cleanup - just that there will be companies coming in to do it!



It's not just for the citizens of LA to think about.

An entire BIG CITY in the USA was destroyed, is 89% underwater. To think that this is only going to affect the citizens of LA is naive. This is going to affect our entire nation and national economy for years if not decades.

And yes WE are ALL going to be paying for it. That 10.5 billion disaster aid did not come straight out of Cheney's pocket. Although I did see a photo of him once with SOMETHING in there. Maybe it was a huge roll of cash.;)

BirdieBoo
09-04-2005, 12:50 PM
So any company who has ever had ties with anyone in public office should be denied contracts for which they're qualified? Whatever :rolleyes:

Nope. That's not what I said. But they shouldn't be treated more favorably in the process, either. And Cheney still has considerable financial ties to Halliburton, so it's not like his connection is something in the past.

DEPUTYDAWG
09-04-2005, 01:02 PM
Actually, I think that's what we've been hearing. Halliburton is in charge of many contracts for the Iraq war, too. Small pieces put together in a puzzle add up to big pieces. This isn't really a puzzle, though, for those paying attention.

It would be quite another thing entirely if Halliburton were not directly connected to the Vice President, If they were just a company experienced in these sorts of things. But Halliburton DOES have ties to Cheney. He used to be the CEO. So it appears to be a conflict of interest and undue corporate interest.

Saying that government chose Halliburton on its own merits rings a bit hollow, when the second-in-command of the government used to be the CEO.

Cheney appears to still be working for Halliburton, not for the people of the USA, who are his boss now.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....

I guess I should have been more specific with my original comment about massive contract conspiracy - I meant specifically on this new contract. I'm not talking about any other contracts in the past. And I doubt ANYONE here, right now, knows the specifics on this new contract. And until that is known, and compared to other company contracts, I have no personal reason to think this is all a political $$$ contract.

And I don't know specifics on how "Cheney appears to still be working for Haliburton." Do you? I haven't followed it closely, to be honest. I thought he had to sever ties, and other than maybe pension, etc. he had to sell his stock ,etc. And actually, in the middle of this, I really don't care that much. I'd rather get them cleanup help. JMO.

Ntegrity
09-04-2005, 01:03 PM
Nope. That's not what I said. But they shouldn't be treated more favorably in the process, either. And Cheney still has considerable financial ties to Halliburton, so it's not like his connection is something in the past.
Wrong again. http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html

DEPUTYDAWG
09-04-2005, 01:05 PM
It's not just for the citizens of LA to think about.

An entire BIG CITY in the USA was destroyed, is 89% underwater. To think that this is only going to affect the citizens of LA is naive.

I mentioned the citizens of LA, but didn't say it was all-inclusive. I do not consider myself naive; I realize all the USA will be directly and/or indirectly impacted for years to come.

DEPUTYDAWG
09-04-2005, 01:10 PM
Wrong again. http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html

Very interesting article, thanks! That's more than I really knew, but goes along with what I thought, which was he had to sever ties (financially) when he took office. And so he gets deferred comp payments through 2005' as the article states, that is/can be a common practice. Having a background in HR, I can state I've seen that as part of comp packages for high level execs. ooohhh, and shame on Cheney and his wife to donate any stock profits to charity if the company's stock goes up. And, he had the foresight to take out an insurance loan to cover his deferred comp payments if the company went bankrupt.

Carry on....

BirdieBoo
09-04-2005, 01:26 PM
Wrong again. http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html


Really? so he doesn't have any stock or anything? And if he donates stock profits he doesn't get a tax benefit? Which I imagine would be quite a considerable one?

That's an article allright. It says :Cheney says he takes no part in matters relating to Halliburton

So of course, if he says so, it must be true. If you believe that the leaders of the nation are beyond reproach.

Thanks for the info.

Ntegrity
09-04-2005, 01:28 PM
There was plenty of documentation provided to support his claims. If you choose to believe he's Satan himself, so be it.

BirdieBoo
09-04-2005, 01:30 PM
There was plenty of documentation provided to support his claims. If you choose to believe he's Satan himself, so be it.

I don't choose to believe he's Satan, I choose to believe that if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

Bush/Cheney seem to have amassed a large body count of Americans on their watch, while companies they are/were afilliated with before they became president/vice seem to be thriving.

Ntegrity
09-04-2005, 01:31 PM
Atta girl, BirdieBoo. Don't let facts stand in your way. :rolleyes:

BirdieBoo
09-04-2005, 01:54 PM
Atta girl, BirdieBoo. Don't let facts stand in your way. :rolleyes:

You know, Ntegrity, I'm not saying these things to peeve you off, I'm saying them because I really believe them. As a USA citizen, that is one of my rights that I like to exercise now and again, saying what I believe, whether everyone else believes it or not;) Of course, you already knew that about me :blowkiss:

As for Bush / Cheney, they are two of the most powerful men in the world, they command the greatest military force in the world, have plenty of power, plenty of money, plenty of connections...the list goes on and on.

My own personal power lies in my vote, my education, and my ability to speak out when something is bothering me. You may not agree with what I say, I know a lot of people don't. But I still like to say it. So I hope that people will understand when I choose not to take time to defend the 2 most powerful men in the world. They don't seem to be the ones who need defending. They're doing OK, Halliburton or not.

It's the rest of us I'm worried about.

Ntegrity
09-04-2005, 02:36 PM
I love you anyhow, girlfriend. :blowkiss:

kgeaux
09-04-2005, 03:53 PM
No, although he's my ex, we're still on pretty good terms, but I have no desire to travel with him, LOL!

But if I get in your area, or you up here, you definitely sound like a great person to do lunch with!!! I've been to Baton Rouge (last time was 5/04 for a horse show in Gonzales), and NO...would love to get down in that area again some time. Have really been wondering about our horse show buddies from that area...I'm hoping that private show grounds in Gonzales is housing lots of horses and other animals right now, it's a wonderful, gorgeous facility.

And glad your friend's uncle has been found safe.


OMG! If I was being graded for reading comprehension, I'd have flunked, huh? I completely missed the "ex!" Sorry about that!

BirdieBoo
09-09-2005, 04:08 AM
So I wonder if Cheney gave up all of the *friendships* he made at Halliburton
upon becoming Vice President? Something tells me NO.

kgeaux
09-09-2005, 08:28 AM
So I wonder if Cheney gave up all of the *friendships* he made at Halliburton
upon becoming Vice President? Something tells me NO.

Does it matter? Halliburton is one of the few companies in the world which has extensive experience in this type of cleanup. Would you want a less experienced company in charge of such a huge undertaking? A company that doesn't already own the equipment needed to accomplish this cleanup?

DEPUTYDAWG
09-09-2005, 09:32 AM
Does it matter? Halliburton is one of the few companies in the world which has extensive experience in this type of cleanup. Would you want a less experienced company in charge of such a huge undertaking? A company that doesn't already own the equipment needed to accomplish this cleanup?

Thank you. That is the important thing, get people in who know how to do massive cleanups. And Haliburton won't be the only company down there. Others will make company profit over this, as well. That should be quite evident.

jannuncutt
09-09-2005, 09:59 AM
I don't choose to believe he's Satan, I choose to believe that if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

Bush/Cheney seem to have amassed a large body count of Americans on their watch, while companies they are/were afilliated with before they became president/vice seem to be thriving.
Birdie - I feel the same way as you. When I first saw the title of this thread I thought "please, this cannot be true" but then I realized "of course, it is". Why should I expect the tune to be changed now? Like you said, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.................

less0305
09-09-2005, 10:11 AM
So of course, if he says so, it must be true.

Find fact proof of something different. Fact.

DEPUTYDAWG
09-09-2005, 10:34 AM
Find fact proof of something different. Fact.

I'm not an expert at federal rules and agencies that monitor all the financial relationships, conflicts of info, etc. but I know they have to declare pretty much everything (rightfully so) and it's heavily scrutinized.

tired.old.hag
09-09-2005, 01:26 PM
BirdieBoo, you might be interested in reading about the company Bush has hired to handle the victims' bodies. It's called Kenyon, and is a subsidiary of SCI, the company involved in the so-called "FuneralGate" scandal. Here are some news stories with info.

Editing this post to replace previous link with MSM links.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41298,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/24/president.2000/bush.funeral/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/texas083199.htm

http://www.caller2.com/2001/november/09/today/texasnew/17283.html

tybee204
09-09-2005, 01:34 PM
Tired.old.hag

We are staying with links and articles from Main Stream Media please. Links and articles from partisan left and right news sites and blogs only contribute to flaming the Political arguments. This is not the Political Forum.

Thanks
tybee

tired.old.hag
09-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Sorry, tybee. I linked to that page because it has a lot of links to the main stream media. I was being lazy :) I'll edit my post, and copy in the MSM links, and delete that one.

tybee204
09-09-2005, 01:42 PM
Thanks so much

BirdieBoo
09-11-2005, 01:49 AM
Find fact proof of something different. Fact.

Like I said, I don't think the 2 most powerful men in the country need ME to defend them. They have militaries and millions at their disposal. Attacking ME because I choose not to believe them would not make them any more credible.

And as for heavily scrutinized: By whom? Other federal agencies?

Feel free to keep on supporting whomever you want. I choose not to support Cheney or believe in him in regards to him not having ANY connection whatsoever to Halliburton. You want me to believe in him, then you can produce some facts that I find believable. You don't need ME to change your mind. I'm just stating my opinion because I have a right to do so. I don't need to produce "facts" on demand for you or anyone else. The facts are there for anyone who cares to find them.

BirdieBoo
09-11-2005, 01:55 AM
Does it matter? Halliburton is one of the few companies in the world which has extensive experience in this type of cleanup. Would you want a less experienced company in charge of such a huge undertaking? A company that doesn't already own the equipment needed to accomplish this cleanup?
Of course they have lots of experience. The federal government awards them a lot of contracts in this type of work. Sometimes without them even having to bid. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. I'll give you all my specialized contracts, because you are my friend. pretty soon, you will be the most experienced one in that particular field. Then I can hire you for everything without having to justify it, because you'll be the one with the most experience. It will work out great for both of us. How nice.

tybee204
09-11-2005, 02:06 AM
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09727978.htm

Firms with Bush-Cheney ties clinching Katrina deals
10 Sep 2005 14:54:50 GMT

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Sept 10 (Reuters) - Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President George W. Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast.

One is Shaw Group Inc. <SGR.N> and the other is Halliburton Co. <HAL.N> subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton......



Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as its chief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the Republican ticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in April, Cheney's income included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which has also won billion-dollar government contracts in Iraq.

Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is not affected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings......



Shaw said on Thursday it has received a $100 million emergency FEMA contract for housing management and construction. Shaw also clinched a $100 million order on Friday from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

Shaw Group spokesman Chris Sammons said Allbaugh was providing the company with "general consulting on business matters," and would not say whether he played a direct role in any of the Katrina deals. "We don't comment on specific consulting activities," he said.


Interesting Read at link

BirdieBoo
09-11-2005, 02:18 AM
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09727978.htm

Firms with Bush-Cheney ties clinching Katrina deals
10 Sep 2005 14:54:50 GMT

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Sept 10 (Reuters) - Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President George W. Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast.

One is Shaw Group Inc. <SGR.N> and the other is Halliburton Co. <HAL.N> subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton......



Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as its chief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the Republican ticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in April, Cheney's income included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which has also won billion-dollar government contracts in Iraq.
Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is not affected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings......



I haven't read the link yet but is this a direct contradiction of the notion that Cheney does not receive financial gain from Halliburton?
This part sticks out "Cheney's office said"...But of course, I do not have direct personal access to Cheney's books. Thank you for posting the article.

fran
09-11-2005, 03:52 AM
I haven't read the link yet but is this a direct contradiction of the notion that Cheney does not receive financial gain from Halliburton?
This part sticks out "Cheney's office said"...But of course, I do not have direct personal access to Cheney's books. Thank you for posting the article.

The amount that Cheney gets from Halliburton is for deferred salary and bonus compensation, earned prior to running for VP. From what I can remember, the bonuses are tied to stock options, and even if these options increase in value, Cheney will still get the same amount of $$ as originally stated and any gain will be given to already designated charities. The only way the amount Cheney would get could differ, would be if Halliburton declared bankruptcy, then he gets in line.

JMHO
fran

less0305
09-11-2005, 10:22 AM
Like I said, I don't think the 2 most powerful men in the country need ME to defend them. They have militaries and millions at their disposal. Attacking ME because I choose not to believe them would not make them any more credible.

And as for heavily scrutinized: By whom? Other federal agencies?

Feel free to keep on supporting whomever you want. I choose not to support Cheney or believe in him in regards to him not having ANY connection whatsoever to Halliburton. You want me to believe in him, then you can produce some facts that I find believable. You don't need ME to change your mind. I'm just stating my opinion because I have a right to do so. I don't need to produce "facts" on demand for you or anyone else. The facts are there for anyone who cares to find them.

You were the one that implied he's a liar. I just wondered on what you base that on. But that's okay. I'm all right with Cheney right now. Thanks.

kgeaux
09-11-2005, 10:26 AM
Of course they have lots of experience. The federal government awards them a lot of contracts in this type of work. Sometimes without them even having to bid. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. I'll give you all my specialized contracts, because you are my friend. pretty soon, you will be the most experienced one in that particular field. Then I can hire you for everything without having to justify it, because you'll be the one with the most experience. It will work out great for both of us. How nice.

BirdieBoo, respectfully: Halliburton has been doing this type of work and getting these kinds of contracts years before Bush became president. Decades. They've been the guys with the experience for years and years and years. I realize you won't change your mind about this, but I'll just tell you that I live in an area that was made by big oil companies: Halliburton, among others, is well known here. They've got the experience. And they didn't get it by getting government contracts, either. They got their experience in the oil fields of the world, long before they ever got their first government contract.

BirdieBoo
09-11-2005, 01:05 PM
You were the one that implied he's a liar. I just wondered on what you base that on. But that's okay. I'm all right with Cheney right now. Thanks.
No. I did not imply that he was a LIAR, I said that just because he "says so", that should not be the last word on the subject. Demanding facts from me while taking Dick Cheney's word for *whatever* since he is a national elected official seems a bit like a double standard. I believe my exact words were "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..." As I said earlier, I am just stating my own opinion and I don't feel the need to defend one of the 2 most powerful men in the world. Part of the reason this nation is so great is that the leaders CAN and SHOULD be held up to scrutiny by the citizens. And it is our duty to do so, according to Roosevelt, a great president if there ever was one.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

BirdieBoo
09-11-2005, 01:34 PM
The amount that Cheney gets from Halliburton is for deferred salary and bonus compensation, earned prior to running for VP. From what I can remember, the bonuses are tied to stock options, and even if these options increase in value, Cheney will still get the same amount of $$ as originally stated and any gain will be given to already designated charities. The only way the amount Cheney would get could differ, would be if Halliburton declared bankruptcy, then he gets in line.

JMHO
fran
So Cheney gets the tax benefit from the (presumably sizeable) charitable donation?