The REAL images they are not showing us

[Cypros]

Ogrish.com has a few images unlike anything we are seeing on TV. These are pictures of the corpses as they rot in the streets and water. I'm sure many more of such pictures are out there, but they will not be found at the cable or network sources. Don't go there if you can't hack it...

http://www.ogrish.com/

[Beyond Belief]

That was horrible.

[concernedperson]

One of those pics looks like a gunshot.

[aussieblue]

One of those pics looks like a gunshot.

One of the aussies who have just been rescued said they could not believe all the gun fights going on, people just shooting people for the fun of it.
They were chased and shot at.
Also they spoke of all the rapes going on, in plain view. They witnessed a gang rape of a young girl

They said its terrifying there, its hell on earth.

~aussieblue

PS Im not going to that link!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dara]

Thank you, Cypros. I can't stomach going there this morning, after reading some posts here. But later I will. And I hope all who can handle it go there as well.

[Cypros]

One of those pics looks like a gunshot.
Yep. Actually it looks to me like a corpse that was shot. I guess some people consider that sport?

[LadyLuck]

Thanks for posting - I will go later , just can not handle it right now.

[less0305]

Looks like a corpse that could have been hit by some piece of wood or pipe or something solid being slammed into them with 140 mph winds. I don't think we can assume it's a gunshot. Truth is, we probably won't ever know.

[Cypros]

Looks like a corpse that could have been hit by some piece of wood or pipe or something solid being slammed into them with 140 mph winds. I don't think we can assume it's a gunshot. Truth is, we probably won't ever know.

You're are correct that we won't know, but the corpse is already very bloated (long dead) and the blood is fresh.

[less0305]

You're are correct that we won't know, but the corpse is already very bloated (long dead) and the blood is fresh.

Actually I misunderstood your first post...you said a corpse that was shot...I thought at first you were saying it was a person (alive) shot dead. So I'm sorry I misunderstood. And that is just terrible if there are really honestly people running around down there shooting corpses just for fun. There is a special place in hell for just that kind. Thanks for correcting me Cypros. I went back and looked again (even tho I was sick the first time)...and your observations were more correct.

[SieSie]

How very, very sad. Thanks for sharing the link, though, Cypros - I'm a visual person and it helps me to see firsthand the damage, destruction and death. It is horrific that it took the government (local, state & federal) as long as it did to get to these people to help them. I was so angry last night while watching Bill O'Reilly and hearing of the conditions of those who are LOCKED in the Superdome by our own government, and knowing that if it weren’t for these reporters SHOWING us how it REALLY IS, I believe it would’ve continued to have been sugar-coated.

I can't tell which picture you're referring to that you think a corpse has been shot - can you tell me which number (top being 1, bottom being whatever) pic it is on that site? TIA.

[Cypros]

I can't tell which picture you're referring to that you think a corpse has been shot - can you tell me which number (top being 1, bottom being whatever) pic it is on that site? TIA.

Concernedperson was the one who noted the possible gunshot and I think she is right. It is the closeup of the woman wearing a green shirt. There is a white box over her eyes but you can see that there is trauma to the right eye and fresh blood flowing out the back of her head. I don't know enough about decomposing bodies in flooded conditions, but I'm pretty sure that "injury" occured after her death considering how bloated the body is.

[SieSie]

Concernedperson was the one who noted the possible gunshot and I think she is right. It is the closeup of the woman wearing a green shirt. There is a white box over her eyes but you can see that there is trauma to the right eye and fresh blood flowing out the back of her head. I don't know enough about decomposing bodies in flooded conditions, but I'm pretty sure that "injury" occured after her death considering how bloated the body is.

Ok, thanks - that's the only picture I thought might be it because of the blood by her head. I figured she drowned because of her tongue hanging out, but I don't know - I'm no death expert!! It's awful, just awful that this happened. I can't even imagine how horrific to have to wade through that with your family by your side (if you're lucky).

[ariel7]

Thanks Cypros, umm..I think.:(
Very disturbing pictures, to say the
least. Heartbreaking.

with much love,

Ariel

[DEPUTYDAWG]

There is a certain need to have visuals and pictures of this, but I also think it's wise not to be showing them on network TV...you can't control who's seeing them, i.e., children, or families who have been affected - nothing like PTSD issues won't be bad enough as it is...I do worry about the mental health aspects, long-term, of many of those who have survived.

Thank you for sharing, and letting people decide whether to view or not....

[tipper]

I re-read Isaac's Storm on the Galveston 1900 hurricane. Those photos remind me of the description of the morning after in Galveston although the photos are of individual bodies and not stacks of bodies. Same tragedy in both cases exacerbated by government incompetence and short-sightedness.

[bulletgirl2002]

I re-read Isaac's Storm on the Galveston 1900 hurricane. Those photos remind me of the description of the morning after in Galveston although the photos are of individual bodies and not stacks of bodies. Same tragedy in both cases exacerbated by government incompetence and short-sightedness.

I read that years ago...same thing. I had forgotten it until you mentioned it.

[bulletgirl2002]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

Some guy in NO has a generator and his web cam on showing what is going on. There is a fascinating journal he has kept.

[concernedperson]

I have a questions and didn't know where to put them so I'll do it here. OK, we all know that there will be many corpses.....some estimates 10,000 in NO. The whole land area is flooded and even when they drain it the ground saturation will be incredible, NO already can't bury in the ground because of the water table. What are they going to do with all the bodies? Also, the length of time they have been deceased leads to major decomposition. How are they going to identify that many people?

[SieSie]

I have a questions and didn't know where to put them so I'll do it here. OK, we all know that there will be many corpses.....some estimates 10,000 in NO. The whole land area is flooded and even when they drain it the ground saturation will be incredible, NO already can't bury in the ground because of the water table. What are they going to do with all the bodies? Also, the length of time they have been deceased leads to major decomposition. How are they going to identify that many people?

I don't have an answer, but a question similar to yours - what about all of the bodies of the people who were already dead and buried - there's no way they could identify all of them! Will there just be a mass grave, since names would be almost impossible to be verified, with some huge memorial or something?? So, so sad.

[Cypros]

Several more images have been posted on Ogrish. Not all of the victims shown are drownings.

http://www.ogrish.com/

[Melissa Marshall]

Those are so hard to look at. Very sad. Thanks for the link Cypros.

[Marthatex]

I can't bear to look, but I watched 2 different news channels tonite - flipped back and forth. O'Railly and Gingrich were making excuses and trying to predict of this will "hurt" Bush (Oh, nnoooo)
and all these rationalizations and bait and switch subject type things.

CNN - reported exactly what's going on right now in NO it's still horrifying; they showed a man (white) lying in a stretcher dying.

It was Aaron Brown brown and just telling it like it is. They interviews a black senator from Texas telling about the activities going on there. I felt like it was honest reporting.

Why do some channels not want to be honest; they are obviously controlled by somebody.

[concernedperson]

I don't have an answer, but a question similar to yours - what about all of the bodies of the people who were already dead and buried - there's no way they could identify all of them! Will there just be a mass grave, since names would be almost impossible to be verified, with some huge memorial or something?? So, so sad.

You are very on target. I just heard that no autopsies will be performed with the exception of suspicious deaths. The State will be buying land for a mass burial and a memorial. They will be using photographs, dental records and DNA to identify the dead.

[SieSie]

You are very on target. I just heard that no autopsies will be performed with the exception of suspicious deaths. The State will be buying land for a mass burial and a memorial. They will be using photographs, dental records and DNA to identify the dead.

Ah, thanks for the info - I wondered how they would go about this daunting task. Mass burial and memorial. So very sad!

[mysteriew]

As far as identifying the deceased, I would imagine that they will be setting up a unit, siimilar to what was set up after the WTC. A forensic team to try to determine identity for the deceased. Just a guess though.

[spygirl]

People will still be discovering bodies a month from now, maybe two months, maybe longer.

I saw the footage on CNN of that bloated man floating in the water.

I just can't understand how our govenment could have been so lax to allow all this to happen in the first place. They were warned repeatedly by engineers regarding the condition of the levees.

:(

[Casshew]

Can you imagine looking online and seeing someone you recognize? :(

[less0305]

People will still be discovering bodies a month from now, maybe two months, maybe longer.

I saw the footage on CNN of that bloated man floating in the water.

I just can't understand how our govenment could have been so lax to allow all this to happen in the first place. They were warned repeatedly by engineers regarding the condition of the levees.

:(

I've been told my house isn't going to withstand a tornado of category 3 or 4 - that don't mean I have the money to make it withstand that. Foods gotta go on the table. Of course, we could have cut federal aide somewhere else and put it in the levees, but then those folks would be a little upset that their needs weren't met.

[spygirl]

I've been told my house isn't going to withstand a tornado of category 3 or 4 - that don't mean I have the money to make it withstand that. Foods gotta go on the table. Of course, we could have cut federal aide somewhere else and put it in the levees, but then those folks would be a little upset that their needs weren't met.Unfortunately, since 2001, Congress and the Bush administration cut funding for the city's two main flood-control programs - including its giant levees - almost in half. Yeah, there's folks who are a little upset that their needs were not met.

[less0305]

Unfortunately, since 2001, Congress and the Bush administration cut funding for the city's two main flood-control programs - including its giant levees - almost in half. Yeah, there's folks who are a little upset that their needs were not met.

And those levees have been a problem since the 1930's. I don't think the Bush administration was around in the 30's. Who put the levees in anyway? I thought everyone said the city was much better off before the levees were ever put in and the wetlands reduced.

[PrayersForMaura]

And those levees have been a problem since the 1930's. I don't think the Bush administration was around in the 30's. Who put the levees in anyway? I thought everyone said the city was much better off before the levees were ever put in and the wetlands reduced.yeah, I totally agree with you.

who in the hell's brilliant idea was it to build a city below sea level?
Let's defy nature, push the water back and think that something we build -- man-made -- is going to keep one of the 4 forces of the world out.

Man can't fight the 4 forces of the world when they are at their strongest:
earth, wind, fire and water.

The coast line is the coast line.
Period.

Same thing is going to happen elsewhere.
And in LA, big earthquakes are going to happen...
what's going to be done now to prevent those?

[Dara]

Some big questions are when did we know the levees could break, when did we know the damage was getting worse, and when was aid to fix them denied. Bush said no one could have anticipated that they would break, but we know that's far from the truth. And his administration denied money that was requested to fix them. That's all documented and linked and discussed. So, Bush bears some blame.

If you want to spread it out, trace it back to the first guy responsible and divide by the number you get. But don't forget Bush, because he is one of them.

[PrayersForMaura]

Hmmmm

Terrorism vs. levee
Education vs. levee
Healthcare vs. levee
Justice system vs. levee ...

I could see why it got pushed down on the priority list a time or too.
What did the state do with their funding?
How did they balance their budget?

[Dara]

Hmmmm

Terrorism vs. levee
Education vs. levee
Healthcare vs. levee
Justice system vs. levee ...

I could see why it got pushed down on the priority list a time or too.
What did the state do with their funding?
How did they balance their budget?
I am going to bump a thread you might find informative. I believe it is called "Money." Stand by. You will have more to add to your "x versus y" list. Though maybe some items you didn't anticipate.

[SieSie]

Hmmmm

Terrorism vs. levee
Education vs. levee
Healthcare vs. levee
Justice system vs. levee ...

I could see why it got pushed down on the priority list a time or too.
What did the state do with their funding?
How did they balance their budget?

What about
3 Million Dollars to teach youngsters to golf (FL) vs. levee
90 Thousand Dollars for a Cowgirl Museum vs. levee
273 Thousand Dollars to understand Goth culture (MO) vs. levee
223 Million Dollar bridge for 50 residents (AK) vs. levee

etc., etc., etc...

[PrayersForMaura]

What about
3 Million Dollars to teach youngsters to golf (FL) vs. levee
90 Thousand Dollars for a Cowgirl Museum vs. levee
273 Thousand Dollars to understand Goth culture (MO) vs. levee
223 Million Dollar bridge for 50 residents (AK) vs. levee

etc., etc., etc...
It's still the state's responsibility to fight for the legislature to pass for increased spending.

[KrazyKollector]

Some big questions are when did we know the levees could break, when did we know the damage was getting worse, and when was aid to fix them denied. Bush said no one could have anticipated that they would break, but we know that's far from the truth. And his administration denied money that was requested to fix them. That's all documented and linked and discussed. So, Bush bears some blame.

If you want to spread it out, trace it back to the first guy responsible and divide by the number you get. But don't forget Bush, because he is one of them.http://www.cnsnews.com/ThisHour.asp#Louisiana%20Officials%20Could%20Lose% 20the%20Katrina%20Blame%20Game

Yes, I know it's got a conservative bend to it.

[KrazyKollector]

What about
3 Million Dollars to teach youngsters to golf (FL) vs. levee
90 Thousand Dollars for a Cowgirl Museum vs. levee
273 Thousand Dollars to understand Goth culture (MO) vs. levee
223 Million Dollar bridge for 50 residents (AK) vs. levee

etc., etc., etc...Yep, on that I do agree. This country has become a "pork led" nation. We expect our Senators and Reps to bring home buckies to our state, or they risk not getting reelected.
As my above story shows, even when they "get" the buckies for something important, it doesn't always mean much.

[Dara]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ThisHour.asp#Louisiana%20Officials%20Could%20Lose% 20the%20Katrina%20Blame%20Game

Yes, I know it's got a conservative bend to it.
Thanks. I scanned it and I'll read in more depth. Not sure I can handle a conservative bent at this particular moment but I'll try later. The reason I'm concerned that Bush seems to be getting a complete pass on this is that he's still the one in charge. I won't blame him for what was not under his watch, but I will hold him accountable for his actions.

[less0305]

Doesn't the legislature pass the budget? I know the President has veto power, but doesn't the legislature pass the budget and then it's signed by the President. Or am I just whacked out this morning?

[PrayersForMaura]

Doesn't the legislature pass the budget? I know the President has veto power, but doesn't the legislature pass the budget and then it's signed by the President. Or am I just whacked out this morning?
you are not whacked out. People just don't remember "school house rocks" apparently, lol. :p

I don't recall seeing large headlines that read "the president vetoed congress and denied Louisiana the money they so desperately pleaded for to fix their levees"

[DEPUTYDAWG]

you are not whacked out. People just don't remember "school house rocks" apparently, lol. :p

I don't recall seeing large headlines that read "the president vetoed congress and denied Louisiana the money they so desperately pleaded for to fix their levees"

(Shhhhhh...I loved School House Rocks!) :crazy:

[concernedperson]

Barbara Starr the CNN reporter is traveling with Gen. Honore and made a few comments a minute ago. The military won't aid in the forced evacuations of the people....there for a humanitarian effort....rescues, food and water. As far as the rest....the military will not enter a home....they will knock on the doors and windows.

If you are dead, how are you going to answer the door?

Does anyone have any military experience that could explain this to me?

[Dara]

Barbara Starr the CNN reporter is traveling with Gen. Honore and made a few comments a minute ago. The military won't aid in the forced evacuations of the people....there for a humanitarian effort....rescues, food and water. As far as the rest....the military will not enter a home....they will knock on the doors and windows.

If you are dead, how are you going to answer the door?

Does anyone have any military experience that could explain this to me?
Or unconscious. Or too feeble to get up and too parched to cry out!

There has to be a good answer because General Honore seems practical.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Barbara Starr the CNN reporter is traveling with Gen. Honore and made a few comments a minute ago. The military won't aid in the forced evacuations of the people....there for a humanitarian effort....rescues, food and water. As far as the rest....the military will not enter a home....they will knock on the doors and windows.

If you are dead, how are you going to answer the door?

Does anyone have any military experience that could explain this to me?

I think it's the difference between: Search and Rescue, versus Recovery. "Recovery" kicks in when they basically say it's not reasonable to expect anyone could have lived that long without sustenance, etc. They don't want to delay any possibility of rescue for clearing out the deceased. Seems heartless, I know. Another damned if you do, damned if you don't....

[marrigotti]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ThisHour.asp#Louisiana%20Officials%20Could%20Lose% 20the%20Katrina%20Blame%20Game

Yes, I know it's got a conservative bend to it.

Thanks for the link. The public will never really know what went awry unless they have the integrity to look at involvement on ALL levels. Making one target, such as the feds, and refusing to look at other compelling evidence of ineptness, mismanagement and corruption is not being intellectually honest IMHO. I say bring on ALL of the facts, and let the chips fall where they may.

[Shadow205]

Can you imagine looking online and seeing someone you recognize? :(

Cass, with the amount of time that has passed and with the effect that the ellements have had on these bodies, I don't think there is much chance of that.
I understand what you are saying and yes someone might recognize someone by an article of clothing or jewelry and that would would bad/sad for them. I'm really mixed on this one. I agree with Tybee's post too.

[Grassyknoll2]

Hmmmm
Terrorism vs. levee
Education vs. levee
Healthcare vs. levee
Justice system vs. levee ...

I could see why it got pushed down on the priority list a time or too.
What did the state do with their funding?
How did they balance their budget?
I truly understand what you are saying...but there is one missing...

Tax cut vs. levee

I'm guessing there are many who would have given up theirs if they realized it could have helped prevent this.....I also read (and I'm sorry, but I can no longer find it) that a high ranking official in resigned after his pleas for funding to fix these levees was first turned down in 2001.....and here are some other expenses:

Infrastructure in Iraq
Schools in Iraq
Health care in Iraq

In very simplistic terms we destroyed all of these things and then paid to rebuild them.....while our infrastructure is crumbling in far too many areas of this country......................

I hear people complain about taxes, municipal taxes, state taxes, federal taxes.........and yes there is waste, but this country needs to take a look at its priorities........Oprah Winfrey is very generous, but how much does she make in a year??? I've read and heard that sports figures and rock stars and movie actors have been very generous........these people have this kind of money because of what we as a society 'value'.