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mic730
09-03-2005, 07:07 PM
Carnival is sending 3 ships to provide housing for 6 months!

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=news&referrer=welcome&id=20050903/43191fc0_3ca6_1552620050903806944392

PrayersForMaura
09-03-2005, 07:33 PM
that is a great idea!!

I was wondering if some big hotels could do the same thing.
Maybe some of the donations received can help with covering some costs, and then tax write offs can help cover the rest.

room service and warm beds for families!

Hooray for carnival!!

Casshew
09-03-2005, 07:36 PM
Wowza. Way to go Carnival Cruiselines*!

*please don't let kathy Lee Gifford sing anymore

Casshew
09-03-2005, 07:40 PM
Wait a minute, hold the presses.... I thought Carnival was donating these ships... according to the article the Feds have 'chartered' them.

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Federal officials are chartering three of Carnival Cruise Lines' ships for six months, part of a plan to provide shelter for as many as 7,000 people displaced by devastating Hurricane Katrina.

The three ships - the Ecstasy, Sensation and Holiday - will be pulled from regular use starting Monday.

Ecstasy, normally ported at Galveston for four-and five-day cruises, and Sensation, normally in New Orleans for similar trips, will both be pulled Monday and are scheduled to dock and house Katrina refugees in Galveston, Texas.

concernedperson
09-03-2005, 07:47 PM
The fed said early on that cruise ships were a possibility. Just hope they stay in the Mississippi River and not venture out to sea. Too much worry there.

Casshew
09-03-2005, 07:49 PM
CP, they are going to Galveston to dock and stay indefinately.

mic730
09-03-2005, 07:51 PM
I just heard on Fox that Carnival is being compensated by FEMA.
What a way to step up Carnival! Thanks soooo much from the bottom of my TAX PAYING heart.

concernedperson
09-03-2005, 07:52 PM
CP, they are going to Galveston to dock and stay indefinately.

Oh good, I feel better. I am sure these cruise ships are OK but some of the things I have heard recently are unsettling.I just don't want anymore trauma than is necessary.

Details
09-03-2005, 07:53 PM
I just heard on Fox that Carnival is being compensated by FEMA.
What a way to step up Carnival! Thanks soooo much from the bottom of my TAX PAYING heart.'Compensation' often doesn't mean paying the market rate. Carnival had to refund probably 10's of thousands of cruise passengers money to free up those ships - they're taking a direct loss here; I think it's OK to compensate them some for that.

mic730
09-03-2005, 07:55 PM
'Compensation' often doesn't mean paying the market rate. Carnival had to refund probably 10's of thousands of cruise passengers money to free up those ships - they're taking a direct loss here; I think it's OK to compensate them some for that.

I hope youre right. Some clarification of comenesation would be nice.
However, it is not a pressing matter at the momment

Mabel
09-03-2005, 07:58 PM
'Compensation' often doesn't mean paying the market rate. Carnival had to refund probably 10's of thousands of cruise passengers money to free up those ships - they're taking a direct loss here; I think it's OK to compensate them some for that.

It's okay to compensate them, but wouldn't it have been so much better if Carnival had absorbed the loss? Walmart donated $2mil. Other companies have donated more. If nothing else, it's good PR. Certainly worth tens of thousands.

poco
09-03-2005, 08:04 PM
So how many people fit on one ship?

Sounds better than the Astrodome, I guess.

Details
09-03-2005, 08:04 PM
It's okay to compensate them, but wouldn't it have been so much better if Carnival had absorbed the loss? Walmart donated $2mil. Other companies have donated more. If nothing else, it's good PR. Certainly worth tens of thousands.I think it may be more than $2 mill to have those ships tied up, not serving customers for that long. A 3 day cruise is anywhere between 500 and 5000 per person (depending on the level of cabin, etc.), the ships hold thousands of people, and are continuously going out on cruises. I could easily see Carnival's losses here being more than 2 million (and they don't have the resources Walmart has).

Mabel
09-03-2005, 08:05 PM
I think it may be more than $2 mill to have those ships tied up, not serving customers for that long. A 3 day cruise is anywhere between 500 and 5000 per person (depending on the level of cabin, etc.), the ships hold thousands of people, and are continuously going out on cruises. I could easily see Carnival's losses here being more than 2 million (and they don't have the resources Walmart has).

Okay, I'll give you that.

Casshew
09-03-2005, 08:07 PM
Poco.. I'd have to double check but probably 2000+ per ship, comfortably.

There is also lots of recreational space, for some 'elbow room' so they are not all crammed on top of each other. The cabins range from tiny 150square foot inside cabins (no windows) to large suites with balconies. It will be interesting to hear how they are assigned.

Details
09-03-2005, 08:12 PM
And the space is well arranged, even a small cabin can easily enough sleep 3 on 3 beds - 2 on a queen, one on a sofa that converts to a bed. The bathrooms are small, but everything is in there. I could see living with 2 other people in one of those rooms for a few months if need be.

Take the larger rooms, and give those to large families - they often are made so you can convert the sofas and such to beds.

The main limit is the ships food and sanitation services - how many people can they feed in a reasonable time, how many people will make the sewage system on the ship go nuts.

less0305
09-03-2005, 08:28 PM
'Compensation' often doesn't mean paying the market rate. Carnival had to refund probably 10's of thousands of cruise passengers money to free up those ships - they're taking a direct loss here; I think it's OK to compensate them some for that.

Ha....I've seen FEMA during a tornado. Carnival may as well be given a blank check. You've heard horror stories about people doing government contracts charging hundreds of dollars for a hammer and getting it. You've heard horror stories about hospitals charging the government an outrageous amount of money for a Tylenol for a Medicare patient and getting it. Well, I saw people get LOTS of money for nothing. One family had one piece of siding blown off their house. I think they got a remodel out of it.

Casshew
09-03-2005, 08:33 PM
I would like to hear the logistics of this Carnival ship plan. It is not going to be like a holiday with room service & daily cleaning of cabins & fine dining with candlelight. I wonder who is going to be supplying the food & cooking the meals etc..? I doubt it will be Carnival chefs & servers

less0305
09-03-2005, 08:35 PM
Casshew.....well, then where would all those employees go? Would they lose their jobs?

Casshew
09-03-2005, 08:37 PM
Casshew.....well, then where would all those employees go? Would they lose their jobs?
exactly what I was thinking.... I am interested to see how this is going to work.

You know their employees receive a tiny salary and the rest comes from passenger gratuities anyway. Most of them are from third world countries themselves and know about struggling to survive.

BirdieBoo
09-03-2005, 08:39 PM
Good. Now maybe Tom Cruise can donate 150,000 cases of vitamins.

Linda7NJ
09-03-2005, 08:42 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Good. Now maybe Tom Cruise can donate 150,000 cases of vitamins.
Too funny! But would he donate anything to the non believers?

mic730
09-03-2005, 08:56 PM
Approximately 920 crew members will staff the 70,367 gross-ton Ecstasy and Sensation, with about 660 running the 46,052-ton Holiday. The Ecstasy and Sensation can each take 2,606 total passengers, while the Holiday can hold 1,800.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=news&referrer=welcome&id=20050903/43191fc0_3ca6_1552620050903806944392

Total of 7012 these ships can hold combined not counting crew space.

LadyLuck
09-03-2005, 09:15 PM
I think we should use all the closed bases and the bases that are going to be closed soon before the ships. If every state took a % of the people we shoudl be able to handle them.

aussieblue
09-03-2005, 09:22 PM
And with Australia donating $10 million to assist the victims of Hurricane Katrina, Prime Minister Howard sending a small team of emergency management specialists to identify areas where Australian aid can be most effective

That is just a snippet and hopefully the whole transcript of our "Sunday" current affairs show will be posted at their site.
Yes its Sunday here in aussieland lol nearly 11am

What i wanted to say is that it has been mentioned here that the aussies are willing to help with the costs of housing the displaced people.
We did this for the Tsunami victims .We pledged 1 billion to Indonesia and we (aussie army, engineers etc) are still there helping with the rebuilding, homes hospitals, schools etc

So i have a feeling we will probably do the same for your people, well thats the vibe im getting from our news programs.

~aussieblue

T'sNana
09-03-2005, 09:24 PM
I agree about the bases. ShowerSinger said that and some of us wrote the news channels in support of her idea. The bases could be more long term housing. The cruise ships seem like a great idea too, but I worry about this being the peak of hurricane season already. But, any help is great, IMO. I'm proud of Americans, companies, other countries and everyone that's working their rearend off in any way during this time. So many people that have given their blood, sweat and tears will probably go unnoticed.

mic730
09-03-2005, 10:59 PM
I have heard several references on the news today of using military bases to house Katrina victims.

Here is one:
http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050903/NEWS01/509030346/1006

jilly
09-03-2005, 11:16 PM
Ha....I've seen FEMA during a tornado. Carnival may as well be given a blank check.

Agreed - my first thought when I heard this was Carnival must be rubbing their hands together on this one!

2luvmy
09-03-2005, 11:53 PM
From what I have read here and there the cruise ships are to be used as temporary housing until the military bases etc. get up and running.

The cruise ships are going to be used as a medical clinic to house the disabled, elderly, those needing medical assistance and their families.

lynie
09-04-2005, 01:10 AM
I agree about the bases. ShowerSinger said that and some of us wrote the news channels in support of her idea. The bases could be more long term housing. The cruise ships seem like a great idea too, but I worry about this being the peak of hurricane season already. But, any help is great, IMO. I'm proud of Americans, companies, other countries and everyone that's working their rearend off in any way during this time. So many people that have given their blood, sweat and tears will probably go unnoticed.

I think Carnival offering up their ships is a grand idea. They know they are going to lose $$ anyway, as a good percentage of their clients especially on the 3/4 day cruises are probably from the nearby storm effected areas.

As far as it being hurricane season and being on a ship, well, it is one of the best places to be! They can outrun a storm, leave before it gets huge and if caught, can just bounce around with the best of 'em! I know...I was in the middle of the Atlantic on a NYC-Bermuda cruise in a hurricane. What a ride ;o)....

Casshew
09-04-2005, 10:46 AM
Plus the three ships plan to be docked for 6 months... no expensive fuel for Carnival to buy to keep them running. If a hurricane should threaten the texas coast, they will move them at that point.

FACE-IT
09-04-2005, 01:10 PM
Carnival is sending 3 ships to provide housing for 6 months!

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=news&referrer=welcome&id=20050903/43191fc0_3ca6_1552620050903806944392The Feds are paying for the rental of the ships, so it isn't as if Carnival is doing this as a gesture of their generosity. It would be nice to think that major companies would step up to offer help.

Details
09-04-2005, 01:17 PM
They're being compensated - that doesn't mean they aren't contributing something. But to just donate the ships for several months is likely several million dollars for them. It's not something a company of that size can do without a little help. Even the giant Walmart only donated 2 million; and with how many passengers the ships hold, how many cruises they do, I think this'll be a lot more than a 2 million dollar cost for Carnival to do this (refunding tens of thousands of passengers money, plus an extra 100 dollars credit to entice them to rebook). And Carnival doesn't have the earnings or bankroll of Walmart.

I suppose I'd rather be glad that they're clearing their schedule, making those ships available, than upset that they didn't do it all for free. They could have not done it at all, after all.