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Just heard on the local news that some students at Jones High School and some new students from N.O. got into a fight. There were 5 arrests. Some on both sides.
Supposedly, someone was filming the N.O. kids like they were some kind of freak show is what I gather.
Damn shame.
A little more info.. A girl was hit with a belet buckle, a soda can was thrown.
They were saying they didn't want to be in Houston. A woman on the news (not at the fight) said, "Well, if they don't want to be here they can go back to N.O.."
A new student from N.O. say they get stared at like they are aliens or something.
tybee204
09-13-2005, 12:48 PM
I think it is inevitiable that there are going to be problems mainstreaming thousands of kids coming out of a disaster into the Public School System.
These kids are living in preasure cookers of stress outside of the school environment as well.
I think it is inevitiable that there are going to be problems mainstreaming thousands of kids coming out of a disaster into the Public School System.
These kids are living in preasure cookers of stress outside of the school environment as well.
I know. Poor kids.
kgeaux
09-13-2005, 01:00 PM
I just don't know what to say. I'm so sorry for the problems Texas has had with the evacuees. Please try to remember that these kids have lost their whole sense of home and some of them have lost family members. The fighting is definitely not a way to gain trust in a new community, they are making some poor decisions right now. I hope the school has counselors who can talk with them and determine if they are real trouble makers (and if they are, bump em out on their booties) or if they are just traumatized. They may need someone to help them deal with all the emotional issues.
The majority of our evacuees began school yesterday here in Lafayette. The worst problem we had was that some of them cried. Poor kiddos.
I just don't know what to say. I'm so sorry for the problems Texas has had with the evacuees. Please try to remember that these kids have lost their whole sense of home and some of them have lost family members. The fighting is definitely not a way to gain trust in a new community, they are making some poor decisions right now. I hope the school has counselors who can talk with them and determine if they are real trouble makers (and if they are, bump em out on their booties) or if they are just traumatized. They may need someone to help them deal with all the emotional issues.
The majority of our evacuees began school yesterday here in Lafayette. The worst problem we had was that some of them cried. Poor kiddos.
I'm not meaning to come off as resentful. I'm glad we could help them. Just trying to update that's all.
jannuncutt
09-13-2005, 01:17 PM
Of course there are going to be problems. None of this is normal either for the people from NOLA or the citizens for Houston. We have got to keep all in our prayers. I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not the evacuees have to wear wristbands or anyother identifying factor to school.
Of course there are going to be problems. None of this is normal either for the people from NOLA or the citizens for Houston. We have got to keep all in are prayers. I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not the evacuees have to wear wristbands or anyother identifying factor to school.
Probably so. In the shelters they do. If they do I know that could be very uncomfortable cuz it would make them stand out. I'm sure it's used for positive purposes like for getting free lunches and supplies and stuff.
BirdieBoo
09-13-2005, 01:27 PM
They were saying they didn't want to be in Houston. A woman on the news (not at the fight) said, "Well, if they don't want to be here they can go back to N.O.."
Nice. What a welcoming attitude for evacuee CHILDREN.
Nice. What a welcoming attitude for evacuee CHILDREN.
Yes, quite rude. I wish I could go track her down. She was an elderly woman about 65-70. You'd think she'd know better. Guess not.
jannuncutt
09-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Can anyone provide me with a link?
tybee204
09-13-2005, 01:34 PM
I was watching a report on where the dead were being taken to a small town outisde New Orleans to a make shift morgue. A woman in a store there said" Id rather they come here dead then alive".
I just couldnt believe it.
I was watching a report on where the dead were being taken to a small town outisde New Orleans to a make shift morgue. A woman in a store there said" Id rather they come here dead then alive".
I just couldnt believe it.
Man! I can't think of a word to desribe that comment. She needs to be strung up and whooped! BEOTCH!
BirdieBoo
09-13-2005, 01:41 PM
I was watching a report on where the dead were being taken to a small town outisde New Orleans to a make shift morgue. A woman in a store there said" Id rather they come here dead then alive".
I just couldnt believe it.
Good Lord! I propose a nationwide "attitude check", where those with these kinds of bad attitudes can be put on Katrina cleanup work detail for a week or so. Kind of like when you are a snotty teen and your father makes you clean out the garage as a punishment. Because some of these attitudes are so juvenile and selfish.
amandab
09-13-2005, 01:46 PM
Good Lord! I propose a nationwide "attitude check", where those with these kinds of bad attitudes can be put on Katrina cleanup work detail for a week or so. Kind of like when you are a snotty teen and your father makes you clean out the garage as a punishment. Because some of these attitudes are so juvenile and selfish.
She might have a different attitude if she was forced to live on her roof for 3 days in N.O. heat while her dead neighbors floated by. I'm sorry, that way of thinking just makes me ill.
BillyGoatGruff
09-13-2005, 01:50 PM
Man! I can't think of a word to desribe that comment. She needs to be strung up and whooped! BEOTCH!
Wake up. For the most part the other towns in LA have seriously disliked/mistrusted NO for centuries. Its the big city where the the rubes get fleeced and mugged and shook down, and it shares a reputation much like that of pre-Guiliani NYC for being full of crooks, con-men & hookers. And after watching the looting and other crap on CNN, I would be leery as well, especially if I lived in a small town with A sheriff.
Wake up. For the most part the other towns in LA have seriously disliked/mistrusted NO for centuries. Its the big city where the the rubes get fleeced and mugged and shook down, and it shares a reputation much like that of pre-Guiliani NYC for being full of crooks, con-men & hookers. And after watching the looting and other crap on CNN, I would be leery as well, especially if I lived in a small town with A sheriff.
Excuse me I'm awake big time. Well, hell I live in Houston where I'm sure our already high crime rate will go up since most evacuees plan to make their home here. But I'll still treat them as humans until they show me otherwise.
BirdieBoo
09-13-2005, 01:56 PM
She might have a different attitude if she was forced to live on her roof for 3 days in N.O. heat while her dead neighbors floated by. I'm sorry, that way of thinking just makes me ill.Me too. I know we can't do the "nationwide attitude check" but I was only half joking, these kind of attitudes are just terrible, and detrimental to getting our country back up on it's feet again after a disaster like this. Seriously, I believe in free speech and all that, but to say that she prefers evacuees to be dead than alive borders on hate speech IMO.
BillyGoatGruff
09-13-2005, 02:00 PM
Excuse me I'm awake big time. Well, hell I live in Houston where I'm sure our already high crime rate will go up since most evacuees plan to make their home here. But I'll still treat them as humans until they show me otherwise.
What you're morely likely to see (since it appears the gangbangers are being culled and shipped back to LA at the shelters at the first sign of trouble) is how woefully behind these kids are in their education. Whatever grade they're supposed to be in, they're probably performing two grades below it, assuming they attended a public and not a parochial school. And since the various archdiocese around the country are accomodating the displaced Catholic school children, I doubt there will be much overlap. As I said, New Orleans public schools are, for the most part, pretty bad, mostly due to lack of funding. No one was ever willing to raise the tax levies for the schools--after all, most of their kids were in parochial school.
BillyGoatGruff
09-13-2005, 02:07 PM
Excuse me I'm awake big time. Well, hell I live in Houston where I'm sure our already high crime rate will go up since most evacuees plan to make their home here. But I'll still treat them as humans until they show me otherwise.
America at large is suddenly going to learn a lot more about the very byzantine connections of race, class & culture that have made NO what it is, both good and bad, for 300 years. Forget all the tourist-friendly BS. Pretty soon the city's psyche--which is as twisted & knotty as a cypress knee--will be laid bare as thousands upon thousands of displaced New Orleanians attempt to blend into new communities. Bear in mind many of these are people who have lived in NO for upwards of 6 generations, and some who have never left it before, period. It's going to be like putting saltwater fish in a freshwater aquarium.
America at large is suddenly going to learn a lot more about the very byzantine connections of race, class & culture that have made NO what it is, both good and bad, for 300 years. Forget all the tourist-friendly BS. Pretty soon the city's psyche--which is as twisted & knotty as a cypress knee--will be laid bare as thousands upon thousands of displaced New Orleanians attempt to blend into new communities. Bear in mind many of these are people who have lived in NO for upwards of 6 generations, and some who have never left it before, period. It's going to be like putting saltwater fish in a freshwater aquarium.
Although I've never lived there and no offense intended but I've never really cared for N.O.. As they probably (and others at that) don't care much for Houstonians. N.O. is not my cup of tea. But I don't wish them ill will.
BillyGoatGruff
09-13-2005, 02:14 PM
Although I've never lived there and no offense intended but I've never really cared for N.O.. As they probably (and others at that) don't care much for Houstonians. N.O. is not my cup of tea. But I don't wish them ill will.
I don't think the woman wished them ill will. She was simply scared of them. The live ones, anyway.
jannuncutt
09-13-2005, 02:34 PM
I don't think the woman wished them ill will. She was simply scared of them.. ...............and ignorant.
jannuncutt
09-13-2005, 02:40 PM
What you're morely likely to see (since it appears the gangbangers are being culled and shipped back to LA at the shelters at the first sign of trouble) is how woefully behind these kids are in their education. Whatever grade they're supposed to be in, they're probably performing two grades below it, assuming they attended a public and not a parochial school. And since the various archdiocese around the country are accomodating the displaced Catholic school children, I doubt there will be much overlap. As I said, New Orleans public schools are, for the most part, pretty bad, mostly due to lack of funding. No one was ever willing to raise the tax levies for the schools--after all, most of their kids were in parochial school. Nothing like good old generalizations. By the way, did anyone see that little boy, Charles, with Campbell Brown, when she was in NO? I was so touched by him, as apparently were countless others. Alot of people e-mailed the Today show asking about him.
lorann
09-13-2005, 02:47 PM
I just heard yesterday that we were getting 500 survivors, not sure which city they are from. This is quite a way from their home environment, don't know yet how many are school aged children. They will be spread throughout the city so there won't be as many in one school. This will be a valuable tool for the school community to teach the youth (and parents) how to be hospitable.
KrazyKollector
09-13-2005, 03:08 PM
Nice. What a welcoming attitude for evacuee CHILDREN.I agree. I thought that was totally rude, but I try to understand that there is pressure for the NO kids AND the people in Houston and the other areas that have accepted displaced students. Tensions will rise, tempers will flare and "foot-in-mouth" disease will run rampant at times.
BillyGoatGruff
09-13-2005, 06:19 PM
Nothing like good old generalizations. By the way, did anyone see that little boy, Charles, with Campbell Brown, when she was in NO? I was so touched by him, as apparently were countless others. Alot of people e-mailed the Today show asking about him.
Generalizations nothing. I knew people working in the NO school systems, both parochial and public. The public schools sucked hard in the 80s. They sucked just as bad in the 90s. I'd never lived anywhere where the majority of the city's children, white, black, whathave you, attended Catholic schools, whether they were Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim or Buddhist. Public school for these parents was never a question. New Orelans was a unique terrarium--culturally, racially & economically--that no one clucking their tongue over this will ever comprehend unless they lived there.
kgeaux
09-13-2005, 07:14 PM
Nothing like good old generalizations. By the way, did anyone see that little boy, Charles, with Campbell Brown, when she was in NO? I was so touched by him, as apparently were countless others. Alot of people e-mailed the Today show asking about him.
These are not generalizations, jan. Louisiana schools rank 47th in the nation. 47!! And of the worst schools in Louisiana, two-thirds of them are in New Orleans. Those children are going to be behind......particularly since Title one schools have been using a program called "Success for All" which roughly means that no matter how dismally the child reads, he cannot receive a grade lower than a "C." He is a success! Passed from grade to grade and can't read a lick.
The schools in the other states where these children are now enrolled are about to be privy to one of Louisiana's dirty little secrets.
Billy has a pretty good take on New Orleans. He lays it on the line, and I haven't read anything that sounded like an exaggeration--he is right on target.
Casshew
09-13-2005, 07:19 PM
A woman in a store there said" Id rather they come here dead then alive".
Holy dinah! :eek:
jannuncutt
09-14-2005, 12:32 PM
These are not generalizations, jan. Louisiana schools rank 47th in the nation. 47!! And of the worst schools in Louisiana, two-thirds of them are in New Orleans. Those children are going to be behind......particularly since Title one schools have been using a program called "Success for All" which roughly means that no matter how dismally the child reads, he cannot receive a grade lower than a "C." He is a success! Passed from grade to grade and can't read a lick.
The schools in the other states where these children are now enrolled are about to be privy to one of Louisiana's dirty little secrets.
Billy has a pretty good take on New Orleans. He lays it on the line, and I haven't read anything that sounded like an exaggeration--he is right on target.
Thank you for your explanation. It sounds like a horrible situation.
Just heard on the news that our schools enrollments have increased 4 fold and that's not everyone. I really am glad that we can help but our taxes are probably going to skyrocket. Don't mean to sound crass but that's the reality of it.
Just read, on Drudge, that 2 displaced students from Loyola and Tulane in LA were stabbed at Boston College.
If true WTF? Is it open season on these poor people?
Also, just read app. 53 deaths in Houston (Harris County) most natural of the elderly and 2 suicides. 13 deaths in Dallas considered all natural and of elderly.
jannuncutt
09-14-2005, 04:19 PM
Katrina Evacuees Involved in Texas School Fight
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/14/school.fight.ap/index.html
Katrina Evacuees Involved in Texas School Fight
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/14/school.fight.ap/index.html
That was yesterday.
jannuncutt
09-14-2005, 04:32 PM
That was yesterday.
I'm aware of that fact. I thought I'd post a link to the story, since it is the title of this thread. (I looked to see if it had already been posted and I couldn't find it).
I'm aware of that fact. I thought I'd post a link to the story, since it is the title of this thread. (I looked to see if it had already been posted and I couldn't find it).
Oh, thought you meant another one.
Beyond Belief
09-14-2005, 05:10 PM
I hope the kids from New Orleans make out okay. The first couple of weeks are tramatic as it is. I say give it a few months and hopefully it will be like they lived there all their lives. The less attention drawn to them, I think the better off they'll be. It must be awful to be uprooted from the security of your home, school, family and neighborhood to be thrown into an environment where your different, if only because your the new kid.
kgeaux
09-14-2005, 05:31 PM
I hope the kids from New Orleans make out okay. The first couple of weeks are tramatic as it is. I say give it a few months and hopefully it will be like they lived there all their lives. The less attention drawn to them, I think the better off they'll be. It must be awful to be uprooted from the security of your home, school, family and neighborhood to be thrown into an environment where your different, if only because your the new kid.
This is incredibly hard on these kids. My highschooler has told me that he sees tears every day at school--even some of the guys from New Orleans have cried. My son was moved to a different English teacher--she's a displaced teacher from New Orleans--and she cried in class today. She told them she has lost everything, her home, her car, even her momma. She told the class that she will never go back to New Orleans, she's moving here permanantly. The trauma in these lives is unimaginable.
concernedperson
09-14-2005, 06:14 PM
This is incredibly hard on these kids. My highschooler has told me that he sees tears every day at school--even some of the guys from New Orleans have cried. My son was moved to a different English teacher--she's a displaced teacher from New Orleans--and she cried in class today. She told them she has lost everything, her home, her car, even her momma. She told the class that she will never go back to New Orleans, she's moving here permanantly. The trauma in these lives is unimaginable.
I am seeing this more and more. The hardship is incredible. The stories I hear daily are unimaginable.The pain people are going through just keeps me in tears most of the time.But we keep reaching out and doing what we can. But this is tougher than any other disaster we have faced. I have hugged so many lately than my hug machine is working overtime.But I always have time for one more.Working for the Red Cross is an awesome experience.
mysteriew
09-15-2005, 07:54 AM
Houston could have a new crime wave in the wake of Hurricane Katrina brought in by New Orleans gangs, the FBI warned Wednesday.
The FBI intelligence memo obtained by KPRC Local 2 warned other law enforcement agencies that gang member evacuees might bring an "us versus them" mentality that could lead to shootings and other violence all over Houston.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4975025/detail.html
Houston could have a new crime wave in the wake of Hurricane Katrina brought in by New Orleans gangs, the FBI warned Wednesday.
The FBI intelligence memo obtained by KPRC Local 2 warned other law enforcement agencies that gang member evacuees might bring an "us versus them" mentality that could lead to shootings and other violence all over Houston.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4975025/detail.html
That's exactly what I'm afraid of. I don't mind us helping them out. But I sure hope they respect us and our city. I'm sure they'll be some bad apples floating around.
mysteriew
09-15-2005, 07:57 AM
Two college students displaced by Hurricane Katrina are recovering after being stabbed in Boston.
The students from Loyola University in New Orleans are attending classes at Boston College. Police and BC officials say they were attacked after an argument with five men at about 1:30 a.m. outside a convenience store in the Cleveland Circle neighborhood.
http://www.wdsu.com/news/4972970/detail.html
close_enough
09-15-2005, 08:22 AM
Wake up. For the most part the other towns in LA have seriously disliked/mistrusted NO for centuries. Its the big city where the the rubes get fleeced and mugged and shook down, and it shares a reputation much like that of pre-Guiliani NYC for being full of crooks, con-men & hookers. And after watching the looting and other crap on CNN, I would be leery as well, especially if I lived in a small town with A sheriff.
when i first read this, i thought "wow"...then as i read your further comments, you do have a point...it does make sense....i've read elsewhere, also, that a lot of people are very leery of the kids/folks from NO coming to their cities/towns.....
deanws
09-16-2005, 06:31 PM
Yes, quite rude. I wish I could go track her down. She was an elderly woman about 65-70. You'd think she'd know better. Guess not.Maybe she was frustrated. Our shelters are getting torn up, and the crime is rising. You have to look at it from our point of view also. It is hard to be nice all the time when things are being abused and nothing seems to be good enough for some. The road runs both ways my friend. I know that all are not this way, but there are WAY MORE that are acting this way in the Houston area. I can not speak for what is happening in other areas of the state. :(
BillyGoatGruff
09-16-2005, 06:43 PM
Maybe she was frustrated. Our shelters are getting torn up, and the crime is rising. You have to look at it from our point of view also. It is hard to be nice all the time when things are being abused and nothing seems to be good enough for some. The road runs both ways my friend. I know that all are not this way, but there are WAY MORE that are acting this way in the Houston area. I can not speak for what is happening in other areas of the state. :(
A friend in Minneapolis told me that a bus load of evacuees got off the bus and refused to go further when they realized it was headed for Minnesotta. They didn't want to go anywhere cold, and demanded to be sent somewhere warmer.
So I guess beggars CAN be choosers. Of course, the joke was on them, really, becase Minnesotta is one of the biggest welfare states around, next to Vermont.
deanws
09-16-2005, 06:50 PM
A friend in Minneapolis told me that a bus load of evacuees got off the bus and refused to go further when they realized it was headed for Minnesotta. They didn't want to go anywhere cold, and demanded to be sent somewhere warmer.
So I guess beggars CAN be choosers. Of course, the joke was on them, really, becase Minnesotta is one of the biggest welfare states around, next to Vermont.It is also a nice place to live. I am so sick of the fools from NO that ruin it for the sweet ones here that are happy we are helping them. It only takes a few to ruin everything. And believe me......we have more than a few of those horrible ones here in Houston. I feel so very sorry for the college students misplaced. This must be a nightmare for them. I suspect the semester will be a bust for most of them.
A friend in Minneapolis told me that a bus load of evacuees got off the bus and refused to go further when they realized it was headed for Minnesotta. They didn't want to go anywhere cold, and demanded to be sent somewhere warmer.
So I guess beggars CAN be choosers. Of course, the joke was on them, really, becase Minnesotta is one of the biggest welfare states around, next to Vermont.
They did the same thing in Utah. They told the people they were going to San Antonio and didn't tell them they where they were going til they took off. I wonder why they are being deceptive. I'm sorry but I've lived in Houston all my life and there is no way I could or would live up north. Just too dang cold.
BillyGoatGruff
09-19-2005, 06:39 PM
They did the same thing in Utah. They told the people they were going to San Antonio and didn't tell them they where they were going til they took off. I wonder why they are being deceptive. I'm sorry but I've lived in Houston all my life and there is no way I could or would live up north. Just too dang cold.
You can always put on more clothes. And houses up north are built to conserve heat, not like down South. I'd rather live somewhere with a change of seasons than somewhere where where it's either Summer or Not Summer.
You can always put on more clothes. And houses up north are built to conserve heat, not like down South. I'd rather live somewhere with a change of seasons than somewhere where where it's either Summer or Not Summer.
Well, putting on more clothes does not help me. When I went skiing in MT after my parents moved I had on 2 pairs of long johns, a t-shirt, sweater, 3 pairs of socks plus my ski stuff and I froze my butt off. I'd much rather be hot. In fact I have a heater in my office and keep my door shut so the cold air from the hallway does not drift in.
BillyGoatGruff
09-20-2005, 01:54 PM
Well, putting on more clothes does not help me. When I went skiing in MT after my parents moved I had on 2 pairs of long johns, a t-shirt, sweater, 3 pairs of socks plus my ski stuff and I froze my butt off. I'd much rather be hot. In fact I have a heater in my office and keep my door shut so the cold air from the hallway does not drift in.
The trick is not to just layer stuff on, but to create air pockets between the layers. And you'll be surprised how much you sweat in cold weather. But don't let the sweaty layers get exposed to cold. Silk is a much better material for longjohns that thermal cotton, for example.
deanws
09-20-2005, 02:02 PM
The trick is not to just layer stuff on, but to create air pockets between the layers. And you'll be surprised how much you sweat in cold weather. But don't let the sweaty layers get exposed to cold. Silk is a much better material for longjohns that thermal cotton, for example.Yes it is. It makes a big difference! This past year is the first time I decided to cough up enough money to buy the better lj's and it was WELL worth the extra money.
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