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deanws
09-19-2005, 06:41 PM
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050917122809990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

I hope this works because it would be a blessing for people that have been disfigured. It sounds scary and painful though. :eek:

lostfaith
09-19-2005, 07:15 PM
Very interesting article, thanx for posting it.

BillyGoatGruff
09-19-2005, 09:18 PM
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050917122809990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

I hope this works because it would be a blessing for people that have been disfigured. It sounds scary and painful though. :eek:
It's possible--they've actually done a partial one, i believe. The big danger is that the immune system suppressants that would keep your body from rejecting your new face leave you open to a host of otherwise non-fatal infections & diseases.

deanws
09-19-2005, 10:16 PM
I am really going to watch this story. I hope it works out well for the patient and the doctor.

Linda7NJ
12-01-2005, 11:22 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051201/ap_on_he_me/france_face_transplant_18

LYON, France - Doctors in France said they had performed the world's first partial face transplant, forging into a risky medical frontier with their operation on a woman disfigured by a dog bite.


The 38-year-old woman, who wants to remain anonymous, had a nose, lips and chin grafted onto her face from a brain-dead donor whose family gave consent. The operation, performed Sunday, included a surgeon already famous for transplant breakthroughs, Dr. Jean-Michel Dubernard.

"The patient's general condition is excellent and the transplant looks normal," said a statement issued Wednesday from the hospital in the northern city of Amiens where the operation took place. Dubernard would not discuss the surgery, but confirmed that it involved the nose, lips and chin

Some considerations:

"The recipient chose to take the risk of the operation failing if the blood vessels become blocked. There's a medium-term risk of the immunosuppressant drugs failing to control rejection of the donor tissue, and a long-term risk of the drugs causing cancers.

"She could be back to square one without a face, needing further reconstruction operations."

Medics have been concerned over whether the side-effects of the the immunosuppression drugs, which patients must take for the rest of their lives, would outweigh the benefits.

The drugs can increase the risk of cancer. Concerns have also been raised over the psychological impact on the patient if the surgery failed.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/12/01/france.face/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Linda7NJ
01-18-2006, 06:08 PM
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//FACE_TRANSPLANT.sff_AZJM101_20060118163833.jpg (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20060118/FACE_TRANSPLANT.sff_AZJM101_20060118163833.html?da te=20060118&docid=D8F7BBU8F)(AP) Dr. Jean-Michel Dubenards, left, from Lyon, France, speaks at a press conference, while Dr. Bernard...


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - The world's first face transplant recipient is using her new lips to take up smoking again, which doctors fear could interfere with her healing and raise the risk of tissue rejection. "It is a problem," Dr. Jean-Michel Dubernard, who led the team that performed the pioneering transplant in France on Nov. 27, acknowledged on Wednesday

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060118/D8F7BBU8F.html

Becba
01-18-2006, 07:21 PM
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//FACE_TRANSPLANT.sff_AZJM101_20060118163833.jpg (http://apnews.myway.com/image/20060118/FACE_TRANSPLANT.sff_AZJM101_20060118163833.html?da te=20060118&docid=D8F7BBU8F)(AP) Dr. Jean-Michel Dubenards, left, from Lyon, France, speaks at a press conference, while Dr. Bernard...


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - The world's first face transplant recipient is using her new lips to take up smoking again, which doctors fear could interfere with her healing and raise the risk of tissue rejection. "It is a problem," Dr. Jean-Michel Dubernard, who led the team that performed the pioneering transplant in France on Nov. 27, acknowledged on Wednesday

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060118/D8F7BBU8F.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060118/D8F7BBU8F.html)
I read about a guy that had his fingers cut off in an accident. The doctors told him if they reattatched them and he smoked it would make him loose good circulation to the tissue and it would all be for nothing.
Well he smoked and his fingers started dying off and he lost them all.

blueclouds
01-18-2006, 11:34 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/01/18/face.transplants.ap/index.html


THIS IS JUST SICK. This woman doesn't deserve any further treatment. It's like the chronic alcoholic that has a liver that's shot AND IS ON THE DONOR LIST yet still drinks. NO WAY. You do purposeful damage to yourself, forget the medical care.

Tom'sGirl
01-19-2006, 01:05 AM
There are those who have been know to smoke through their trach, so this doesn't shock me at all.

Nova
01-19-2006, 01:27 AM
Classic thread title, though. My hat's off to Linda.

txsvicki
01-19-2006, 01:33 AM
Isn't this woman a pioneer and sort of a guinea pig? A few months ago there were reports of doctors saying that this procedure really isn't even ethical right now and is very iffy. I say that she deserves even more care and help to quit the smoking and manage the stress and pain that she must have endured.

Jeana (DP)
01-19-2006, 10:17 AM
She tried to kill herself and her dog ate a portion of her face while she was passed out due to a drug overdose. I don't think that qualifies her as a "pioneer" though! LOL Many doctors didn't think she was a good candidate for the surgery because of her mental problems and the fact that she didn't take good enough care of herself before.

Rachael
01-19-2006, 10:20 AM
She tried to kill herself and her dog ate a portion of her face while she was passed out due to a drug overdose. I don't think that qualifies her as a "pioneer" though! LOL Many doctors didn't think she was a good candidate for the surgery because of her mental problems and the fact that she didn't take good enough care of herself before.


I really did not know that. Very interesting. How long was she passed out?

Jeana (DP)
01-19-2006, 10:28 AM
I really did not know that. Very interesting. How long was she passed out?


I'm not sure.

BillyGoatGruff
01-19-2006, 01:42 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/01/18/face.transplants.ap/index.html


THIS IS JUST SICK. This woman doesn't deserve any further treatment. It's like the chronic alcoholic that has a liver that's shot AND IS ON THE DONOR LIST yet still drinks. NO WAY. You do purposeful damage to yourself, forget the medical care.
For crying out loud, she's French. They exit the womb with a cigarette in their mouths.

BillyGoatGruff
01-19-2006, 01:46 PM
She tried to kill herself and her dog ate a portion of her face while she was passed out due to a drug overdose. I don't think that qualifies her as a "pioneer" though! LOL Many doctors didn't think she was a good candidate for the surgery because of her mental problems and the fact that she didn't take good enough care of herself before.
The suicide thing was dismissed awhile back--although the other explanation for passing out deep enough and long enough that your dog eats most of your face is that the woman's a hard core alky. Then again, they used to conduct experiments like these on death row inmates (possibly still do) because they figured thery might as well be of some use to society, and if it failed society wasn't losing anyone it would miss. The thinking might be the same here.

jubie
01-19-2006, 01:56 PM
She tried to kill herself and her dog ate a portion of her face while she was passed out due to a drug overdose. I don't think that qualifies her as a "pioneer" though! LOL Many doctors didn't think she was a good candidate for the surgery because of her mental problems and the fact that she didn't take good enough care of herself before.


I agree. I think the doctors were so desperate to move forward with this type of surgery (not saying I have a problem with it under the right circumstances) that they glazed over many of her mental issues to pave the way for the surgery.


Jubie

Linda7NJ
01-29-2006, 11:00 PM
Barely two months ago, the 38-year-old French divorcee received the world's first face transplant and this exclusive photograph reveals the full extent of her remarkable transformation.

Last May, she had a wide, tilted nose, a prominent chin and thin lips. Today, the donated face of suicide Maryline Saint-Aubert has given her a straight and narrow nose, a neater chin and a fuller mouth. Despite the prominent surgical scars, Miss Dinoire and her doctors say they are delighted by the results.

http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,17967407%5E950,00.html

Beyond Belief
01-29-2006, 11:06 PM
She looks great! I hope she gets her confidence back and goes back out into the world.

vanillasky
01-30-2006, 12:39 AM
Let's just hope she stops smoking. :( :banghead:

Her face looks great though, looks very natural. Not at all what I expected.

blueclouds
01-30-2006, 01:39 AM
Let's just hope she stops smoking. :( :banghead:

Her face looks great though, looks very natural. Not at all what I expected.

personally, the bag should just die. I do not at all for any reason WHATSOEVER agree with someone who receives medical attention and then continues to destroy his/her body.

I think all transplants should have to LEGALLY ADHEAR TO A STRONG SET OF RULES.

ie: the lung cancer patient who smoked all his life YET receives a lung transplant. WELLLLLLLLLLLLLL - you NEVER EVER get to smoke again. period.

I cannot handle people like this. At the very least??????????? She should pay for ALL costs related to her surgery and more. :bang: :loser: :loser: :loser:

kcnz
01-30-2006, 05:03 AM
personally, the bag should just die. I do not at all for any reason WHATSOEVER agree with someone who receives medical attention and then continues to destroy his/her body.

I think all transplants should have to LEGALLY ADHEAR TO A STRONG SET OF RULES.

ie: the lung cancer patient who smoked all his life YET receives a lung transplant. WELLLLLLLLLLLLLL - you NEVER EVER get to smoke again. period.

I cannot handle people like this. At the very least??????????? She should pay for ALL costs related to her surgery and more. :bang: :loser: :loser: :loser:
I'm not sure if we should restrict transplants to only boring people.

txsvicki
01-30-2006, 05:30 AM
Die? Good heavens. I imagine the doctors in France thought of the possibility of smoking again and knew her mental state. Depression, chain smoking, attempted suicide, vicious dog owner. Sounds like they chose her and she had no money over any other applicants. I imagine there is a reason she was chosen such as the surrounding tissue, age, injury type, age, willingness, general health, experimental issues, etc. Why would doctors there chose some so called unworthy subject and make a non smoker or non drinker do without. She's experimental. Any rich people in the U.S. or children will benefit in the future from her experience.

mjak
01-30-2006, 09:34 AM
I have serious concerns about the choice of this women as the first face transplant after
reading this article. The article implies she has serious mental issuses, a suicide attempt , drug use, chain smoking and a life described as spending all day chain smoking in front of a TV. Was this women really psychologicly able to consent to being a participant in this or was she a vunerable, medicaly compatiable and easily abtainable guina pig? I realize that the new face is a huge boast to helping her overcome her other issues but those issues were present long before her face was damaged. Is it ethicaly appropirate for the medical community to use someone who is clearly mentally ill for a treatment like this? The return to chain smoking for me is the indicator that her canidacy was questionable.

mjak

Linda7NJ
01-30-2006, 09:47 AM
She had no FACE!

I see nothing wrong with it. She helped advance medical science and has paved the way for countless others.

I don't care if she had the morals of an alley cat , was a death row inmate , or was a nun. I am glad this surgery worked so well, I think she looks fantastic!~

natasha-cupcake
01-30-2006, 10:28 AM
She had no FACE!

I see nothing wrong with it. She helped advance medical science and has paved the way for countless others.

I don't care if she had the morals of an alley cat , was a death row inmate , or was a nun. I am glad this surgery worked so well, I think she looks fantastic!~
I agree with you Linda. I think she deserves some compassion. Although I think it's clear that she may have contributed to some of her own problems, why should anyone on earth have to go through life with no face.

I personally will reserve my outrage for serial murderers and child rapists.

mjak
01-30-2006, 11:11 AM
Oh, I am not questioning her participation on the grounds that she did not deserve the transplant. My objection is that she may not have been able to infromativly consent to being a participant. Although, the outcome of having a new aestetic pleasing face is wonderful it comes with a huge amount of baggage. Months and months of hospitalizations, a life time of heavy duty medications needed to be taken and Of course the humungus risk that this surgery would kill her. There are prostetic facial devices that this women could have used. This surgery was not essential to save her life. I feel a lot of compassion for this women. My concern is not with her being unfit; but, with the medical community being ethicaly inappropriate in selecting her.

SieSie
01-30-2006, 11:22 AM
I agree with you Linda. I think she deserves some compassion. Although I think it's clear that she may have contributed to some of her own problems, why should anyone on earth have to go through life with no face.

I personally will reserve my outrage for serial murderers and child rapists.
:clap: Excellent post and ITA!!

Jeana (DP)
01-30-2006, 12:05 PM
I heard Dennis Miller talking about her. He said "She's FRENCH for crying out loud. They come out of the womb with a cigarette." :D :D :D


Personally, I wish nothing but the best for her. I hate to see anyone ruining their health smoking cigarettes, but she's a grown up and she can do what she wants. I thought it was a hoot that she was reportedly in a bar already, but that's just me. :D :D :D

Lauren
01-30-2006, 12:12 PM
I am glad that her face looks better. I do not know the transplants mental history or addictions, but perhaps she can change her ways. Everyone deserves a chance to live a good life. I know I haven't been perfect. I can't believe how wonderful her face looks.


Thanks for reading my posts!:angel:

T'sNana
01-31-2006, 07:06 PM
I worked for a lot of physicians and surgeons and a lot of surgeons will NOT operate on people who smoke unless it's a life-threatening situation and sometimes not even then if their smoking has been too long-term or their health risks/smoking risks are too high. I know plastic surgeons are VERY adamant that their patients do not smoke at all, especially before and right after surgery during the healing period. It can delay healing and cause complications.

Ntegrity
01-31-2006, 10:58 PM
I'm really sorry she started smoking again. As a recently quit smoker and someone who struggled for years trying to figure out how to quit for good, I have lots of compassion for that particular addiction. It sounds like she's had a pretty unhappy life and I wish her the best. I think she looks very good (better than I expected).

BillyGoatGruff
02-01-2006, 07:20 PM
personally, the bag should just die. I do not at all for any reason WHATSOEVER agree with someone who receives medical attention and then continues to destroy his/her body.

I think all transplants should have to LEGALLY ADHEAR TO A STRONG SET OF RULES.

ie: the lung cancer patient who smoked all his life YET receives a lung transplant. WELLLLLLLLLLLLLL - you NEVER EVER get to smoke again. period.

I cannot handle people like this. At the very least??????????? She should pay for ALL costs related to her surgery and more. :bang: :loser: :loser: :loser:
Smoking is not viewed the same way in Europe as it is in the US. And even though I don't smoke, and never have, I can't stand anti-smoking nazis.
I do a number of things that aren't good for my health, such as drink alcohol and eat fatty foods, but I'd like to thing I wouldn't be left to die simply because I have bad habits.

Ntegrity
02-01-2006, 11:50 PM
... I can't stand anti-smoking nazis.

Thank you. Being an imperfect person, neither can I.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :woohoo: