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Airys_01
09-23-2005, 05:28 PM
I'm a long time visitor/new member to WS and I wanted to know if anyone knew of a case involving a father, his daughter, and the father's employee who went missing. The case was shown on unsolved mysteries and I also saw the little girls picture on a missing persons website a while ago. The father and daughter were both Caucasian and the employee was a African American male. The police felt that all three were probably murdered because no trace of the individuals was found. I believe that it was probably solved but I never heard about any conclusion to it. Does this case ring a bell to anyone?

mjak
09-23-2005, 06:12 PM
I seem to remember an unsolved mysteries segment about a man who maybe drove trucks and his partner in the truck and his young daughter who he took to work all disappeared. Unfortunilty, I don't recall much else about the segment. I seem to think
there was an update and it was all drug related.

mjak

shadowangel
09-23-2005, 07:51 PM
For any information about something seen on Unsolved Mysteries, check out

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=322

The folks on this forum can answer any question about any episode.

MaryLiz
09-26-2005, 07:40 PM
I'm a long time visitor/new member to WS and I wanted to know if anyone knew of a case involving a father, his daughter, and the father's employee who went missing. The case was shown on unsolved mysteries and I also saw the little girls picture on a missing persons website a while ago. The father and daughter were both Caucasian and the employee was a African American male. The police felt that all three were probably murdered because no trace of the individuals was found. I believe that it was probably solved but I never heard about any conclusion to it. Does this case ring a bell to anyone?

Airys 01 - I too am a long-time visitor who just registered. I love reading all the discussions on here. I'm not on here often because I work a lot and probably won't post too much but again, I'm fascinated by cold cases and reading the discussions on here.

I think I have an answer to your post. When I saw it, I remembered I had just read something on the Charley Project website about the case. You may already have the answer but in case you don't here's the info. The missing trio are Paul Skiba, his daughter Sarah Skiba and co-worker Lorenzo Chivers. They've been missing from Westminster, Colorado since February 1999. Here's the link to Paul Skiba's info:

www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/skiba_paul.html (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/skiba_paul.html)

You can click on that and then the names of the other two that are missing are on Paul Skiba's page if you want to click on their names to get info on them. There really hasn't been too much new on the case, but they have just issued death certificates for all three of them so that is why they updated their case on the Charley Project.

Hope this helps and I look forward to reading about more cold cases on here!

Rle7
02-06-2008, 03:54 PM
Police are asking for the public's help in solving a 9-year-old Westminster cold case involving the disappearance and probable murder of three people.

Since February 8, 1999, the Westminster Police Department and the Thornton Police Department have investigated the suspicious disappearance of Paul Skiba, his daughter Sarah Skiba, and Lorenzo Chivers; an employee of Paul Skiba’s moving company.

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5686127&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Taximom
02-06-2008, 09:23 PM
Here's our thread about the case. Very odd and sad.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58864

Rle7
02-17-2008, 11:29 AM
Police, at first, believed recently divorced small-businessman Paul Skiba had kidnapped his 9-year-old daughter, Sarah, with the help of an employee and that they had all vanished together.

Sarah’s mother, Michelle Russell, reported her daughter missing when she was not returned home after the weekend of Feb. 7, 1999. Thinking Skiba had abducted Sarah in a custody dispute, police sought warrants for his arrest.

But Paul Skiba’s mother, Sharon Skiba, knew he had just borrowed money to buy a third truck for his Tuff Movers company and would never do anything to jeopardize visiting rights with his daughter.

So Sharon Skiba and friends went to the Westminster lot where her son stored his trucks near 72nd Avenue and Raleigh Street, and they found blood smeared inside the cab of the truck and numerous bullet holes on the side of the white 1978 Chevrolet moving truck.

Shell casings were littered about on the ground. Then Sharon Skiba saw pieces of a scalp with hair attached outside the truck.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2008/02/11/new-profile-three-presumed-dead-after-scalp-found/

MaryLiz
02-21-2008, 07:47 AM
Here are the Doe Network profiles for them. They were just put on Doe today, 2/21/08, for the first time.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2502dfco.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3660dmco.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3661dmco.html

AmandaBrown23
02-21-2008, 09:34 AM
Ok I have a question, is it possible Chivers killed the father and daughter for some reason and left? The article on doe says that the blood was of the father an daughter but none of the other man. I found that strange.

MaryLiz
02-21-2008, 01:41 PM
Ok I have a question, is it possible Chivers killed the father and daughter for some reason and left? The article on doe says that the blood was of the father an daughter but none of the other man. I found that strange.

I thought it was strange too when I read the Doe articles this morning and they didn't mention anything about finding Chivers DNA. I never thought of Chivers as a suspect in this case but when I read that this morning on Doe, it certainly crossed my mind.

gaia227
03-30-2009, 04:45 PM
bumping. I just ran across this case today. Either all three were murdered or Chivers murdered Paul and Sarah. They only found their blood. Paul allegedly had a sum of money on him because he was going to buy a new truck.

Here is an article from 2008

http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2008/02/11/new-profile-three-presumed-dead-after-scalp-found/#more-19

Great comprehensive look at the case. 12 pages long.
http://www.westword.com/2008-02-14/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time/

gaia227
03-31-2009, 12:45 PM
AHHHHH! I am SO frustrated after reading the article I posted above. The cops in this case were completely incompetent. Why would they treat people the way they did. My God. There are bullet holes, blood, a chunk of scalp but NOPE, not crime committed here. They refused to secure the scene, the refused to treat it as a crimescene and proceeded to contaiminate any evidence there was by not wearing gloves of foot coverings, when they returned the truck after taking it for 'examination' it had hair and scalp stuck to it!

I feel so bad for Paul's mother. She bankrupted herself trying to save Paul's assests and then she was chastized for it and that ***** of a girlfriend took everything for herslef and son. I would never do that to someone. If I knew how broke Sharon was out of trying to keep Paul's assets in place, paying his mortgage, etc I would never take all that money and not offer her any of it. I would be very surprised if the son really is Paul's kid.

I really think that Teresa (girlfriend) and her brother killed Paul, Sarah and Cheevers. Her brother hated Paul, Teresa had already been trying to trap him with the baby for money. It is amazing with no paternity tests done and the fact that Teresa and Paul were not married that she was entitled to anything. It was all for the baby, the courts ruled, but they wouldn't do a paternity test?

The whole case just makes me nuts with frustration!

Vegas Bride
03-31-2009, 01:14 PM
I can't help but wonder if somneone in le was involved with drug trade and that's why the investigation was so poor.
It does say that sometime later a dna test was done on the baby that showed he was the father, but the grandmother is suspicious of it. I think there had been to many years of distrust between the women for them to ever come together which is sad. Knowing the girlfriend was on disability due to arthritis I can understand why she had to be sleeping a lot etc and I have a feeling his mother never saw her as someone good enough for her son.

VB

gaia227
03-31-2009, 03:30 PM
I can't help but wonder if somneone in le was involved with drug trade and that's why the investigation was so poor.
It does say that sometime later a dna test was done on the baby that showed he was the father, but the grandmother is suspicious of it. I think there had been to many years of distrust between the women for them to ever come together which is sad. Knowing the girlfriend was on disability due to arthritis I can understand why she had to be sleeping a lot etc and I have a feeling his mother never saw her as someone good enough for her son.

VB

From what I understood from the article the paternity test was done but Teresa wouldn't show it to anyone.
I know that people can be protrayed unfairly in the media but I still can't help but be suspicious of her. The fact she has ran so hard for all of Paul's assets, apparently she flunked the lie detector, she had motive, Paul was planning on leaving her,etc.

The other angle is the drug connection. If it is true he was using the business as a drug selling front that could have certainly been his downfall. I don't know if this is true or just a rumour.

pittsburghgirl
03-31-2009, 05:31 PM
I really think that Teresa (girlfriend) and her brother killed Paul, Sarah and Cheevers. Her brother hated Paul, Teresa had already been trying to trap him with the baby for money. It is amazing with no paternity tests done and the fact that Teresa and Paul were not married that she was entitled to anything. It was all for the baby, the courts ruled, but they wouldn't do a paternity test?

Well, that seems to be an obvious conclusion. Who benefitted? They had to know he had money on him for the purchase of a truck--so they get that right away. They couldn't risk waiting for a paternity test that would go the wrong way or that Paul might get away with a minimal support order. She might have to work! And find her own place to live! Lorenzo was talking about leaving her sister, so he was expendable. Then they just hang on and wait until the settlement and they get nearly a quarter million dollars.

Big money to people who aren't much on working.

MaryLiz
03-31-2009, 07:53 PM
bumping. I just ran across this case today. Either all three were murdered or Chivers murdered Paul and Sarah. They only found their blood. Paul allegedly had a sum of money on him because he was going to buy a new truck.

Here is an article from 2008

http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2008/02/11/new-profile-three-presumed-dead-after-scalp-found/#more-19

Great comprehensive look at the case. 12 pages long.
http://www.westword.com/2008-02-14/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time/

Thanks for posting those articles, gaia. I have never really read anything in-depth about this case before..just what was on Charley Project and Doe. It does sound like Teresa and her brother had everything to do with this. I feel so sorry for Paul's Mom, Sharon, who has worked so hard on this case, then losing all that money from the house. And then Teresa getting all the money she got! I'm not sure I believe that Paul was running a drug operation out of his moving business. I think Teresa may have started that rumor to take any suspicion off her and her brother, trying to make Paul look bad. The whole case was a shambles starting with the investigators saying there was no crime! :sheesh: What a travesty of justice in this case all the way around. :mad:

gaia227
04-03-2009, 02:23 PM
Yes, it is incredibly frustrating. I feel really bad for Sharon too. Not only did she lose her son and grand-daughter, she went bankrupt trying to protect her son's assets. I just don't understand how Teresa who was not married to Paul was entitled to anything of his especially when the paternity of the baby at that time seemed to still be in question. Even if the baby was his I thought it would be more difficult for the female to get a settlement since she was not married to the man. I guess not.

I am not real confident in the drug rumours either. I think it possible Paul might have sold a little weed here and there to friends but not to the extent it was blown up to be.

The behavior of LE is unexcusable. It is so hard to swallow they can behave that way and there are no consequences for it. To return a car to the family and it still has hair and skull fragments on it that is just plain negligence. I bet they did not even examine the car. I get so mad when I think about it. Why would you become a Detective if you didn't give a crap about people in dire situations?

Anubis
08-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Investigational misconduct happens and as Paul was the son of a law enforcement officer, the officers (thinking it was a custody dispute) were perhaps attempting to protect one of their own? Who knows. Cops have bad days too, especially beat cops which the first responder was. The detectives seem to have done their best. The case seems relatively clear to me what happened but lack of evidence has stymied the whole thing. What a shame.

MaryLiz
08-06-2009, 02:45 PM
After seeing this case bumped up, I decided to Google News Paul Skiba's name to see if there were any new articles. Ironically, there is one today from CNN. Link is below.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/06/cold.case.sarah.skiba/

JulieR
08-06-2009, 06:38 PM
I can't believe they haven't arrested the people responsible for this, by all accounts of the story we know who they are. Had the PD don't their job right this case would have been solved in a week.

Few things that stand out or are questionable about the case:
What about the new gate lock, did PD ever track down where it came from and who purchased it?
I wonder if the police question people around where the cars were found, how long had they been there.
I wonder if the moving trucks keys were left in the truck?

I do find Jerry's story a little much, he gets sick in his car why did he feel the need to share that in this story? Is it because sometimes murders get sick after the kill? He said he didn't want to cut the lock, in case it was evidence (evidence of what he didn't know anything yet). Jerry didn't tell the police that Teresa went to the lot that night.

We have Teresa who is getting kicked to the curb by Paul, she places herself at the crime Sunday night and fails a LD test.

We have Tom (Teresa's brother) who hates Paul, is glad he is dead tells Sharon both were shot in the head and she is next.

We have Bobbie-Jo who was losing her boyfriend to his wife Misha, they were talking about getting back together. 5 days after Lorenzo is missing she packs up all his son (Josh) things and puts them out the front door. She also told Misha, Lorenzo wasn't coming back.

It took 3 to 4 people to pull this off. The cars were found in two separate locations and it would have had to been someone that knows how to drive a moving truck. The ramp is heavy and strapping bodies to the ramp required strength to get it off the truck. I believe as the police said Lorenzo was mostly likely forced to help and killed else where. If the bodies were dumped in water they are not far from shore some place that a truck can pull up to the water and dump the ramp.
This has got to be one of the saddest stories. I feel so bad for the families.

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 11:23 AM
bumping. I just ran across this case today. Either all three were murdered or Chivers murdered Paul and Sarah. They only found their blood. Paul allegedly had a sum of money on him because he was going to buy a new truck.

Here is an article from 2008

http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2008/02/11/new-profile-three-presumed-dead-after-scalp-found/#more-19

Great comprehensive look at the case. 12 pages long.
http://www.westword.com/2008-02-14/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time/

gaia..Thanks for posting these links as I have not seen it before.
I am bumping this because this case bothers the heck out of me, and would like to see some sort of movement on this case.

Bumping for Paul, Sarah , and Lorenzo.

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 12:13 PM
I found this today... http://www.myspace.com/58941416

WTH is this???? It's his pic from doenetwork and did u see the comment about Chivers?

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 12:33 PM
I found this today... http://www.myspace.com/58941416

WTH is this???? It's his pic from doenetwork and did u see the comment about Chivers?

Excellent find ! How odd is that Paul goes missing 1999 and this guy posts this comment in 2006. WTH is right.
There is also another comment from him on one of the other friends pages stating that Paul needs to update his profile...HMMM

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 12:38 PM
It seems that when they did finally do dna testing only Paul and Sarahs were found no mention of Chivers...?

************************************************** ************************************************** **********************

A DNA test revealed that blood found in a moving van belonged to Paul and Sarah Skiba, the scalp to Paul. Chivers, who has also not been seen since, was the father of a son and daughter the same age as Sarah.
Investigators learned that the truck had left the lot at about 9 p.m. and was returned about midnight. Police theorize the three were killed at the lot and the truck was used to dispose of their bodies. It was then driven back to the lot and parked. No trace of the three has ever been found

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3660dmco.html

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 12:43 PM
Exactly. You would think there would have been DNA from Chivers and who's the african american guy that's posting this stuff on MS? It's like the MS page was set up to mock Paul Skiba and the comment on the J guy's MS, it's like he's the one that set up the PS myspace and J wanted him to update it IMO.

Is this other guy Chivers? Although it says he's only 28,or someone else that was involved??

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 12:53 PM
Mar 8, 2006 6:07 PM
hey i heard mel was seen outside henry's plotting something scandalous w/ L. chivers

Comment from J. MS from friend S. Left on March 8 2006....

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 12:58 PM
Sleuthster check your PM...

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 01:11 PM
Interesting news article with more details from Denver Post.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2008/02/11/new-profile-three-presumed-dead-after-scalp-found/

Police, at first, believed recently divorced small-businessman Paul Skiba had kidnapped his 9-year-old daughter, Sarah, with the help of an employee and that they had all vanished together.
Sarah’s mother, Michelle Russell, reported her daughter missing when she was not returned home after the weekend of Feb. 7, 1999. Thinking Skiba had abducted Sarah in a custody dispute, police sought warrants for his arrest.

But Paul Skiba’s mother, Sharon Skiba, knew he had just borrowed money to buy a third truck for his Tuff Movers company and would never do anything to jeopardize visiting rights with his daughter.
So Sharon Skiba and friends went to the Westminster lot where her son stored his trucks near 72nd Avenue and Raleigh Street, and they found blood smeared inside the cab of the truck and numerous bullet holes on the side of the white 1978 Chevrolet moving truck.
Shell casings were littered about on the ground. Then Sharon Skiba saw pieces of a scalp with hair attached outside the truck.
“When I saw that, I knew my son was dead,” Skiba said nine years after the disappearance of her son, her granddaughter and Skiba’s employee, Lorenzo Chivers, 36. “It was horrifying....more at link

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 01:18 PM
Chivers had 2 wives according to knowx. One is the mother of the children noted in the above news article and the other is only 35 now according to public records and also is shown in Texas.

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 05:57 PM
Lorenzo Chivers

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: February 7, 1999 from Morrison, Colorado
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: November 5, 1962
Age: 36
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 160 lbs.
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Brown
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Distinguishing Characteristics: Tattoo of a scorpion on left
inner forearm and a scar on abdomen

http://www.nampn.org/cases/chivers_lorenzo.html

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 05:58 PM
Sarah Arielle Skiba

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: February 7, 1999 from Westminster, Colorado
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: July 27, 1989
Age: 9
Height: 4'5"
Weight: 80 lbs.
Hair Color: Blonde
Eye Color: Hazel
Race: White
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Characteristics: Red mark across
the bridge of nose. May wear hair in a ponytail.
AKA: "Missy", "Peanut"
NCIC Number: M-189767312
Case Number: 9950288; NCMC860296

http://www.nampn.org/cases/skiba_sarah.html

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 06:00 PM
Paul Carroll Skiba

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: February 7, 1999 from Westminster, Colorado
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: February 23, 1960
Age: 39
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 170 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue/Hazel
Race: White
Gender: Male
Distinguishing Characteristics: May have a moustache,
beard or goatee.
AKA: "Craig Michael Nelson."
Case Number: NCMC860296

http://www.nampn.org/cases/skiba_paul.html

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 06:10 PM
"I kept telling them it was strange that the whole inside was cleaned out," Skiba said. "Where was
the blanket Paul usually kept? And where was all his work?"

Then Skiba's friend began examining the outside of a second truck. His heart ran cold as he noticed
what appeared to be bullet holes and several spots of blood.

Detectives sprayed both trucks with a substance that makes areas from which blood has been
cleaned glow in the dark. The cab of the seemingly spotless truck was covered with blood, Sharon
Skiba said. A large amount had also pooled on the ground nearby.

Subsequent DNA testing confirmed that the blood belonged to Paul and Sarah Skiba.

Sharon Skiba says she thinks her son was ambushed as he drove the truck into the lot after 8:30
p.m. Feb. 7. She said she thinks that after being wounded, Paul Skiba climbed out of the truck and
was shot again.

The evidence suggests that Sarah was shot outside the second truck.

"When I think of that night, it tears me apart," Sharon Skiba said, her eyes filling with tears.

None of the blood matched Chivers', Skiba said, but authorities are certain he was also a victim of
foul play. Detectives say Chivers may have been forced to help dispose of the bodies only to be killed
elsewhere. It's also possible he was killed in a way that may not have left the same evidence, Skiba
said.

Either way, Skiba reached a wrenching conclusion: The loving son, who brought her from Minnesota
to live with him and the granddaughter, who clamored to lick the frosting off the beaters whenever
she baked, couldn't have survived.

The scene told her something else, too. Although Skiba has no names to go with her suspicions, she
says she thinks the killers knew her son well.

"If this was just a robbery, they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble to hide the bodies or cover up
what was going on that night," she said.

http://www.webbsleuths.com/dcf/MC/32.html

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 06:13 PM
Blood, Scalp, Bullet Holes Only Clues In Cold Case
Group Unveils Reward, Billboard For Mystery Disappearances

POSTED: 12:00 pm MDT September 14, 2005
UPDATED: 6:14 pm MDT September 14, 2005

The three were last seen on Feb. 7, 1999, when Paul Skiba and Lorenzo Chivers went to a moving job in Morrison, Colo., and Paul's daughter tagged along. When they weren't heard from for a week, Paul's ex-wife and a friend went to the moving company lot in Westminster and found the moving truck parked with bullet holes, blood and a bloody piece of scalp.

A DNA test revealed that blood found in a moving van belonged to Paul and Sarah Skiba, the scalp to Paul. Chivers, who has also not been seen since, was the father of a son and daughter the same age as Sarah.

Investigators learned that the truck had left the lot at about 9 p.m. and was returned about midnight. Police theorize the three were killed at the lot and the truck was used to dispose of their bodies. It was then driven back to the lot and parked. No trace of the three has ever been found

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4973116/detail.html

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 06:19 PM
Ambush suspected after man, daughter vanish

August 6, 2009 -- Updated 2120 GMT (0520 HKT

(CNN) -- Late last month, Michelle Russell somberly walked on a Maui beach in Hawaii to mark her daughter Sarah Skiba's 20th birthday.

Sarah Skiba visited her father, Paul Skiba, every other weekend.
For Russell, who last saw Sarah more than a decade ago, when she was just 9 years old, some images will never fade with the passage of time.

Russell especially recalls the cold Friday morning in February 1999 when she dropped Sarah off at a bus stop in Westminster, Colorado, for her ride to school.

"She loved to go to school," Russell said, remembering that Sarah ran for the bus and slipped on ice.

"She skinned her wrist at the bottom of her hand, and she was crying," Russell said. "I had a first aid kit and gave her a Band-Aid."

After school that day, Sarah's father, Paul Skiba, met Sarah to spend the weekend together, a visitation arrangement in place since Russell and Skiba divorced several years earlier.

"Her father picked her up at 3:30 p.m.," Russell said. "She visited her father every other weekend."

On Sunday, Sarah joined her father -- who owned a moving company -- and his employee Lorenzo Chivers as they went to a moving job. Watch a report about the case »

"We know they had two moving jobs that day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon," said Thornton Police Department Sgt. Pat Long, the original investigator on the case.


The second job was for a man who lived in Morrison, Colorado.

The girl, her father and Chivers left Morrison between 5 and 5:30 p.m. to return the moving truck to the Westminster parking lot where Skiba stored his vehicles, Long says.

On the way, a 12-year-old relative of Paul Skiba's girlfriend, Theresa Donovan, received a call from Sarah.

The girl said they were on their way to return the truck and would then come home.

But Sarah and her father never made it back to the house he and Donovan shared.

Michelle Russell later called police, who initially thought it was a parental abduction, even though Chivers was also missing.

"It was almost three weeks after that that I became involved," Long said. "I think we lost some key evidence during the initial time that passed at the scene."

Paul Skiba's family and friends went to his truck storage lot one week after the girl and the two men went missing and grew suspicious when they found what they believed were two bullet holes in the exteriors of Skiba's moving trucks, Long said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/06/cold.case.sarah.skiba/index.html

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 06:47 PM
I just find the whole thing bizzare about dna/blood evidence being found for 2 of the victims (father and daughter) and nothing for Lorenzo. Some reports above state that LE believes all 3 victims where killed there at the parking lot and others say that 2 where killed there and the 3rd unwillingly may have helped dumped the bodies and then he was killed.

Another thing that catches my eye, something stating that there was blood inside the cab of the first truck and bullet holes through the walls of the second truck, blood pooled by the truck outside. First, blood splatered inside identified as Paul. Paul was shot inside and the pooled blood was outside, I believe the child got out of the truck and tried to run and was shot there. Bullet holes could have gone from inside to outside also when Paul was shot.

I just have a hard time believing that there was not one drop of blood/dna found from the other guy at the scene. Don't you think he would have put up a fight or tried to run also and somesort of evidence be present? So did he jump out of the truck too with the child and just said " okay, I'll help you don't shoot me"?

It just seems really bizzare.

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 06:51 PM
And...what's with the 35 yo wife (35 as of 2009) that I found married Lorenzo on knowx? If this is the same Lorenzo, and there is no mention of a jr and I did find the first wife's ms and all the kids are on there and no Lorenzo Jr and the eldest is like 26, then why do the news papers not mention her, only his kids and the first wife still has his last name, so when did he marry this woman??

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 07:07 PM
Thats what I'm wondering as well. I think Lorenzo is still alive. I don't have the time right now to write my theory down (cooking dinner) but I will bbl to write it down.

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 07:12 PM
Okay, I found the marriage records at Jefferson County Clerk website, for both wives the one in question he married 2/95 but no record of divorce on first one who he married 2/84.

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 07:44 PM
Oh, wait it was from the original ms and now I am saying once again is this a relative? and if so why is there a paul skiba on his ms friends with the same missing pic and the profile says "don't be a skiba"

Boy this is giving me a headache, it feels like Im on a merri-go-round with circus music in the background

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 08:04 PM
Very detailed
http://www.westword.com/2008-02-14/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time/

For more than eight years, Sharon Skiba (http://www.websleuths.com/related/to/Sharon+Skiba) waited behind locked doors. Her life had stopped on February 7, 1999 — the day her son and nine-year-old granddaughter disappeared. In the days and weeks and months that followed, the house she'd once been happy to share with them became her prison. Ghosts invaded her dreams, and she grew older while Paul and Sarah's things — the pictures, the toys, the flannel shirt that still smelled like her son's aftershave — stayed frozen in time. She wanted to flee, to resume her life, but she waited — for Paul and Sarah to come home, for their bodies to be found, for an arrest to be made.


So they where dating sisters??? And Paul had just broke up with his gf who just had a baby and Lorenzo was living with her sister. What about wife #2 he married in 1995???? Oy vey.

And...there is a wife #3 from the story Misha.

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 08:11 PM
I know what you mean about the MS pages, one thing of interest to me is that almost all of the "friends" are in Illinois....

mysticrose
11-07-2009, 08:12 PM
Very detailed
http://www.westword.com/2008-02-14/news/a-cold-case-frozen-in-time/

For more than eight years, Sharon Skiba (http://www.websleuths.com/related/to/Sharon+Skiba) waited behind locked doors. Her life had stopped on February 7, 1999 — the day her son and nine-year-old granddaughter disappeared. In the days and weeks and months that followed, the house she'd once been happy to share with them became her prison. Ghosts invaded her dreams, and she grew older while Paul and Sarah's things — the pictures, the toys, the flannel shirt that still smelled like her son's aftershave — stayed frozen in time. She wanted to flee, to resume her life, but she waited — for Paul and Sarah to come home, for their bodies to be found, for an arrest to be made.


So they where dating sisters??? And Paul had just broke up with his gf who just had a baby and Lorenzo was living with her sister. What about wife #2 he married in 1995???? Oy vey.

And...there is a wife #3 from the story Misha.

Looking that way...

Sleuthster
11-07-2009, 08:21 PM
Wait, page 3 of this news story.


Right away, Jerry noticed that the big moving truck Paul always backed into a specific spot had been pulled in front first and crooked. "Paul was a neat freak, anal about everything, so I'm thinking, 'Oh, I can't wait to hear why the truck's parked like that' — because Paul would have a story," he says. "That guy could tell a story about anything. He described things like nobody else could. He'd describe food to you and you could actually taste it. I was waiting for him to come in ranting about something that had gone wrong. It looked like somebody had just pulled in the yard at 50 miles per hour and hit the brakes."
When Jerry went to open the gate, he realized that the lock had been changed. It was strange, but Paul did buy a new lock whenever he fired someone. Maybe somebody had screwed up, maybe that would be part of the story.
Jerry waited outside the gate for Paul and Lorenzo to show up.


bold by me..

Who kills people, takes their bodies out, and then locks the gate possibly with a new lock? Does this make sense???? Also both vehicles where taken, Lorenzo's and Pauls, still geting to that part though.

ilovemew
06-02-2010, 12:38 AM
I just came across this case on The Charley Project website. How very sad for this little girl. I am still catching up but I wanted to come here to WS to see if there was a thread for these poor people. I'm so glad there is!

I just wanted to say before I forget that I don't think Paul would take Sarah with him if he was going on some "drug" run that day. From all accounts he loved Sarah and would not have willingly put her in harms way. So I guess I am agreeing with other posters who don't buy the whole drug dealer involvement.

Sleuthster
06-23-2010, 11:28 PM
Ilovemew brought my attention back to this case. Thanks.

I am still intrigued by the myspace stuff. I dont get it. There where comments on J's ms for months on and off about skiba and chivers. I think these guys could know something.
I was thinking of maybe bringing this to Doenetworks attention. They could possibly take a look and see if this "scott" could know or be related to chivers.
What do ya'll think?

Here's the ms to refresh
http://www.myspace.com/58941416

Sleuthster
06-23-2010, 11:50 PM
Does this look like Paul Skiba?
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=123496226&albumID=642459&imageID=15095824

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3660dmco.html

mysticrose
07-11-2010, 11:53 PM
Does this look like Paul Skiba?
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=123496226&albumID=642459&imageID=15095824

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3660dmco.html

It does to me, this is all so odd ....

mysticrose
07-12-2010, 08:58 PM
This poor father and daughter are out there somewhere discarded like trash, what gives sometime's :(

mysticrose
12-27-2010, 11:57 AM
Bumping ......

Julessleuther
01-02-2011, 11:28 PM
Did you ever call this in? This guys name is Paul too. Very odd--the nose looks almost spot on. I think it is worth notifying LE in charge of his missing persons file.

Does this look like Paul Skiba?
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=123496226&albumID=642459&imageID=15095824

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3660dmco.html

Aphra
01-03-2011, 09:19 PM
Surely companies that own moving trucks have to keep a record of the mileage. If they looked at Paul Skiba's truck's mileage records, they could probably get an idea of what sort of mile radius they're looking at, and where the truck was taken. Even if Paul didn't have a chance to record the mileage to and from the Littleton job, chances are that the mileage for that truck would have been recorded before they left.

If they figure out how many miles the truck was driven, and send a couple of people out to search that far on all of the roads out of town (I know Denver is huge, but surely there are a few arteries in that part of town that would make the most sense for the perps to have taken), they'd find them.

ETA: I don't think that MySpace guy is Paul Skiba. The MS guy looks young.

Rle7
02-13-2011, 04:08 PM
Twelve years have passed without a proper burial for three people believed to have been killed near Westminster. The case garnered national attention with the disappearance of a 9-year-old girl, yet it still remains unsolved

(http://clicks.beap.ad.yieldmanager.net/c/YnY9MS4wLjAmYnM9KDE0NTJhdnZpYShnaWQkYWQ2MDJjZmMtMz diNC0xMWUwLWI5NzMtZTc2ZDhmNGZlYTMyLHN0JDEyOTc2MzA5 OTYzNTA5MDUsc2kkNTIyMTU1MSx2JDEuMCxhaWQkWERJMExHS0 lES0EtLGN0JDI1LHlieCRYdGxXYWZfdTk2Y2U2OTNCUDhjazRR LHIkMCkp/0/*)Westminster Police are still working the case, pursuing every angle to solve the crime, but they have not had fresh leads in years.

Sarah Skiba vanished, along with her father Paul Skiba, and his co-worker Lorenzo Chivers.

Police believe someone murdered them at Skiba's moving company at 7010 Raleigh St.

Police recovered Skiba's truck, blood evidence from the victims, and bullets from the killer's gun.

Twelve years later, police say there is no new evidence, but there is still a passion to solve the case.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=180464&catid=339

Shamrocker99
01-10-2012, 09:47 PM
This is such a heartbreaking case and such shoddy response from law enforcement!! Makes me ashamed that a department could investigate that poorly when physical evidence is right in front of their faces!!! Ugh!! I hope and pray there will be some resolution for Paul's mother-she soooo deserves it!! I think the whole drug story is just that, a "story" made up by the people who are responsible for the murders and I hope either the justice system or kharma catches up with them soon!

Sunrisenow
02-13-2014, 04:16 PM
Colorado mom wants help finding daughter’s body

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2014/02/13/sarah-skiba-missing-colorado-cold-case

Sleuthster
02-13-2014, 10:46 PM
I deleted prior posts as it appears that this is Chivers son I found on fb

Balor51
02-18-2014, 10:30 PM
Such a sad case. I think it is still solvable .

Hulagirl29
02-21-2014, 01:12 AM
Extremely sad case...hope it gets solved soon

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