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Mel1024
10-04-2005, 10:32 AM
This case as always bother me. Then when Joseph P Smith was arrested they thought there might be a conection to Jennifer Odom. I was thrilled but have never heard anymore so I guess not. The cases are very similar and he was around the area at that time.
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/odom.asp

Mel1024
10-06-2005, 03:53 PM
He is currently being held at the Federal Prison in Terre Haute, Indiana also known as the (Federal Death House) This is where Timothy McVeigh was excuted.

Keith Dwayne Nelson
Age: 30 Sex: Male Race: Caucasian
Federal Inmate Registration Number: 07440-031

The victims of Keith Nelson

Jennifer Renee Odom - Blanton, Florida
Jodi Sue Huisentruit - Mason City, Iowa
Julie Ann Holmquist - Hallock, Minnesota
Pamela Butler - Kansas City, Kansas (Last Victim)

Attached is Photograph of Keith Dwayne Nelson, he had relatives living in Florida at the time. Are you related?

Jennifer's Letterman's style Jacket, Red Sweater, and her Bundy clarinet serial number 622747 is evidence and is filed at their crime lab.

The KBI Kansas Bureau of Investigation 1-800-572-7463.They have the phone numbers for BOTH the crime lab and the Vehicle Impound Garage. The crime lab also has a two charm necklace, actually three. One broke off and was found in the back of the van.

Attached are the four victims in the order they were murdered, notice anything strange?

If you have any questions, just ask.

Sincerely,
James L. McIntyre
aandjmac@mchsi.com (aandjmac@mchsi.com)


I received this info and found him on Death row in Indiana But i can not found anything limking him to any of the other murders except Pamela Butler
I am so new to this can everyone help me with this
Jennifer case remains unsolved so I don't see where this person thinks he is the one
wouldn't they update her site?

Mel1024
10-06-2005, 03:55 PM
http://showcase.netins.net/web/keithh/guest.html
This is where I found the person who e-mailed me the info on Keith Nelson

Mel1024
10-06-2005, 04:52 PM
No not related this case has just always bother me. Why it is still unsolved according to Florida web sites. Is it a for sure thing that he killed Jennifer? Thanks for your response

I am really sick and tired of this kind of thing happening
I belong to websluething and we are planning a rally for each state would you be interested if we can make it happen.
Any more info you may have please let me know. Did they find her clothing on him. He looks so young. How did they connect Jennifer to him? Yes what is strange is they all look somewhat alike is that what you mean? Yes, a former girlfriend who rejected him, he hated her so much that he killed ANYONE who looked like her!
Thanks again
Jennifer's jacket, with Jenny above pocket. Bundy clarinet serial number 622747 blonged to older sister. Her favorite Red acrylic sweater now Orange, all found in or near van. Clarinet was found in Kansas City, Kansas pawn shop with his fingerprint on it! broken charm from her necklace found in back of this van. Fell out of van when it was at Impound Garage. Police are clueless, they don't know he is her killer. Florida police don't know who he is, let alone know that he has been captured and imprisoned the last five years! CRIME NET IS SUPPOSED TO BE UP AND RUNNING SOON. I'll believe it when I see it.

McIntyre




CAN THIS BE TRUE THAT FLORIDA POLICE DO NOT KNOW THIS? SHOULD I CONTACT THEM I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW OR IF I SHOULD DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BELIEVE THIS PERSON
PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME

Mel1024
10-07-2005, 01:05 PM
Did write to Hernado county and this is their response

This is not true. We have tried to tell this to him many times but he refuses to listen. Although I cant release details, I can tell you the clarinet was located at a dump site in our county several years ago and remains in our evidence room. She was also wearing a hooters jacket that did not have her name on it. This individual has been warned in the past to quit spreading untruths and giving families false hope. However, as you can see, he would rather spread facts that he knows are not true instead of spending his time finding the truth. Thank-you for your concerns.



From: me10lissa24@aol.com [mailto:me10lissa24@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:58 PM
To: unsolved
Subject: Internet Request

Usher737
10-07-2005, 02:11 PM
I thought I read that LE has DNA. I wonder if they ever check it in the national database for a match. A man who could commit this type of crime is likely to re-offend. This makes me think of Duncan.

Mel1024
10-07-2005, 06:54 PM
I thought I read that LE has DNA. I wonder if they ever check it in the national database for a match. A man who could commit this type of crime is likely to re-offend. This makes me think of Duncan.
Wow is there anyway to go about finding this out or suggesting they do run a match. I know I really thought it was Joseph Smith he was all around this area and he even was caught for an attempted kidnapping around hernando county. Let me know if there is anyway to check it out.

J Mac
02-07-2006, 07:41 PM
The Facts in the murder(s) committed by Keith Dwayne Nelson. Stalker and Serial Killer!

Victims

Victim One: Jennifer Renee Odom of Blanton, Florida
Items still missing include: Girl's Letterman style jacket with Jenny above pocket written in magic marker. Gator emblem on jacket. Red Sweater now the color of Orange/rust. Red sweater had gold metallic highlights stapled into sweater. Orange/rust colored sweater has the SAME gold mettalic hightlights! Scuffed up BUNDY clarinet with serial number 622747 found in Kansas City, Kansas pawn shop. serial number MATCHES BUNDY clarinet with serial number 622747 still missing from Florida murder and it was scuffed up because CLARINET CASE AND ONLY THE CASE WAS FOUND IN FLORIDA LANDFILL! Clarinet case had name of former owner engraved on clarinet case. Former owner was Leslie Odom whose name was on the OUTSIDE and Jennifer was on the INSIDE! Leslie Odom was the older sister of Jennifer.
Two rings and a TWO CHARM necklace was found on body. The necklace was a THREE CHARM necklace! Broken gold charm found in back of white Ford Econoline van when van was taken to Kansas Crime Lab. Broken charm fell out of van when doors to van opened!
HOOTERS JACKET BELONGED TO PETITE NEIGHBOR OF JENNIFER'S WHO WAS MISTAKEN FOR JENNIFER BY UNRELIABLE WITNESS. ALL THIS MISTAKE DID WAS UPSET JENNIFER'S MOTHER AND COST ME EIGHT MONTHS OF INVESTIGATION WORK!

Victim Two: Jodi Sue Huisentruit of Mason City, Iowa
Items still missing include: Woman's purse, Gold ring with Diamonds (chips) Dark Brown women's slacks, matching dark brown vest, white blouse with ruffles on cuffs and ruffles along buttons on front of blouse. Remains of Jodi Huisentruit still missing. REMAINS OF JODI SUE HUISENTRUIT IN MINNESOTA! Last written personal check still written by Jodi's hand found in Minnesota convenience store. Store Manager identified Jodi Huisentruit with strange young man. Partial palm print found on Red Miata, partial palm print will match Keith Nelson's palm print if and when COMPARED with Nelson's! Pants and vest and blouse were covered with slits caused by knife blade and clothing was also covered in dark brown stains thought to be blood stains. Jodi was given gold ring covered in tiny diamonds (chips) by family or friends years ago. MATCHES one found by Kansas Authorities. white Ford Econoline van was found and has been in THE STATE OF KANSAS IMPOUND FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS! STATE OF KANSAS IMPOUND GARAGE, NOT KANSAS CITY, KANSAS IMPOUND GARAGE. JODI'S PERSONAL CHECKBOOK FROM MASON CITY, IOWA ACCOUNT FOUND ON A MINNESOTA ROAD TORN IN HALF. TWO CHECKS KILLER TRIED TO FORGE FOUND EARLIER A HALF MILE AWAY. NELSON'S HANDWRITING AND FINGERPRINTS WILL MATCH THOSE FOUND ON CHECKS AND CHECKBOOK!

Victim Three: Julie Ann Holmquist of Hallock, Minnesota
Items still missing include: Dark Navy blue jogging shorts, Red T-shirt styled blouse both bought by Clarice Holmquist at local Wal-Mart near Hallock, Minnesota for daughter, Julie. Boy's Class Ring hanging from chain given to Julie by boyfriend who would like his class ring back since it was very expensive, over 200 dollars at the time! Julie had been raped (assumed) and had been repeatedly stabbed to death (Fact). Fragment of knife blade found embedded in rib bone of the skeletal remains of Julie Ann Holmquist. Knife found in white mid-1980's Ford Econoline van. Nelson identified by at least three witnesses! Knife blade was chipped, a fragment was missing from blade. Missing fragment will MATCH when Minnesota and Kansas authorites compare notes! Boy's Class Ring found hanging on chain found hanging from rear view mirror of van! High School of boyfriend MATCHES High School found ingraved on High School ring. It also says MINNESOTA on it! Birthstone MATCHES birthstone of boyfriend of Julie Ann Holmquist!

Footnote: Curtiss Dale Cedergren FALSELY ACCUSED IN RAPE AND MURDER OF JULIE ANN HOLMQUIST IS AND WAS COMPLETELY INNOCENT! CURTISS DALE CEDERGREN AND HIS BRIDE, KELLY ANNE CEDERGREN WERE ON THEIR HONEYMOON IN CANADA WHEN THE GIRL WAS KIDNAPPED! A CANADIAN POLITICIAN WAS MEETING AND GREETING HIS FELLOW CANADIANS WHEN HE MET THE HAPPY COUPLE! A LOCAL CANADIAN NEWSPAPER EVEN COVERED THE HAPPY OCCASION AND CURTISS DALE CEDERGREN'S WIDOW HAS A COPY OF THIS VERY NEWSPAPER! THE MEETING WAS EVEN PHOTOGRAPHED AND SAID PHOTOGRAPH CAN CLEARLY BE SEEN ON PAGE THREE! THE WIDOW CAN VERIFY THIS AS I HAVE SEEN THIS VERY NEWSPAPER INCLUDING THE DATE! CURTISS DALE CEDERGREN WAS ALREADY CLEARED BY THE LOCAL HALLOCK, MINNESOTA POLICE DEPARTMENT 72 HOURS AFTER THEY ACCUSED HIM. THEY CLEARED HIM WHEN THEY CAME UP AGAINST THE VERY SAME EVIDENCE I HAVE JUST MENTIONED!
STEVE HAGENAH WAS SUPPOSED TO DO CHEMICAL ANALYSIS ON CERTAIN ITEMS AND ON CEDERGREN'S CAR WHICH YIELDED NOTHING!

Victim Four: Kansas area waitress (suburb of Kansas City, Kansas)
Items still missing: One 10 inch Kitchen knife with black handle.
Kansas waitress was seen talking to an intense young man, the morning she was last seen alive. A few days later she was found dead in her living room. she was found nude, she had been raped. Her clothing had been found scattered about near the body. She had bled to death, a droplet of her killer's blood had been found in the blood pool found under her body! His (Nelson's) spermatooza DNA will match the rapist's! He left bloody fingerprints in her kitchen and on a pizza box. He had cut himself with this knife during the murder! This knife was found in Nelson's van! Also found on this knife was the blood DNA of . . .

Victim Five: Michanne Mattson of Kansas City, Kansas
Items still missing: none! Except for a drop of her blood from a cut on her neck during the attempted kidnapping which failed! Neighbors identified Nelson as her assailant when he was captured a few days later.

Victim Six: Pamela Butler of Kansas City, Kansas (Last Victim)
Items still missing: none! Butler's clothing found next to body. Pamela Butler had been strangled with stereo speaker wire. break in wire MATCHED remaining speaker wire found in white Ford Econoline Van! Kansas plates traced back to Keith Dwayne Nelson. Stereo Money was spent in Hallock, Minnesota Tire Store for NEW Van/Light Truck Tires. OLD Van/Light Truck Tires were traced to abduction scene of Julie Ann Holmquist! Van tires were found burning on edge of farmer's field. Enough tire tread was saved to confirm tires were from van. Ford Econoline van was seen by FIVE WITNESSES the night Julie Ann Holmquist was kidnapped! Spermatooza DNA was found in panties of Pamela Butler was MATCHED to Nelson! NELSON CONFESSES TO MURDER OF PAMELA BUTLER DURING HIS TRIAL. HE IS CONVICTED AND IS SENTENCED TO DIE BY LETHAL INJECTION AT A TIME NOT YET DETERMINED.

Keith Dwayne Nelson
Sex: Male Race: Caucasian Age: 30 years old.
Federal Inmate Number: 07440-031
Terre Haute FCI (Federal Death House)
Death Sentence (Pamela Butler Murder)

NONE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS OF ANY STATE KNOWS OF THE OTHER MURDERS! KANSAS AUTHORITIES SUSPECT THERE ARE OTHER MURDERS BUT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT ITEMS BELONG TO WHAT VICTIMS. I HAVE EXPLAINED THAT HERE IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS IN THE HOPE THAT SOMEONE WILL FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT! I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CASE FOR FOUR YEARS AND I HAVE NOT MADE A SINGLE MISTAKE IN THIS CASE! THE POLICE HAVE MADE SEVERAL AND I HOPE THEY WILL FINALLY SEE THIS CASE FOR WHAT IT IS AND WILL FINALLY CONCLUDE IT AS SOLVED! DNA WILL ONLY BE COMPARED TO ALL OF THE VICTIMS LISTED HERE WHEN AND IF THE POLICE BECOME AWARE OF THE OBVIOUS. THAT KEITH DWAYNE NELSON IS A MULTIPLE SERIAL KILLER. ALL THE VICTIMS LOOK LIKE A WOULD BE GIRLFRIEND WHO REJECTED HIM DURING THE THROES OF PUBERTY, MOST LIKELY JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. HE WAS SUFFERING FROM THE "TED BUNDY" SYNDROME. I WOULD POST THE VICTIMS PHOTOGRAPHS HERE AND YOU COULD SEE FOR YOURSELF, BUT YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO POST THEM. ANY YOUNG WOMAN OR GIRL WHO LOOKED LIKED HIS BELOVED WAS DOOMED TO DIE A RATHER UNPLEASANT DEATH.
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PonderingThings
02-22-2006, 06:58 PM
http://www.hernandotoday.com/news/MGB8K7D1ZJE.html

Cold case assignment: Jennifer Renee Odom
By CHRISTI STEVENS cstevens@hernandotoday.com
Published: Feb 21, 2006

BROOKSVILLE — Who knows what Jennifer Odom would be like today.

She would be 25 years old now and might have a family of her own. Maybe she would have graduated from college and started an exciting career. Perhaps she would be traveling the world.

Thirteen years ago her future seemed as bright as the sun. That was until someone snuffed out that light and left her Pasco County family with more grief than time can heal.

But on Tuesday, they publicly shared their pain when they spoke to the media about Jennifer’s murder and what life has been like knowing her killer was still out there somewhere.

The family’s statements were part of a media blitz organized by the Hernando County Sheriff’s Office with the hope of stirring new leads in the cold case.

Sunday was the 13-year anniversary of Jennifer’s death. In that time, a task force organized to find her killer has checked out more than 6,000 leads, but none led to the killer.

Jennifer was 12 when she disappeared Feb. 19, 1993, after getting off her school bus just 200 yards from her family’s home in St. Joseph near Dade City. Then on Feb. 25, 2003, her body was found by a couple strolling by a pine forest along Powell Road in Hernando County.

Almost immediately, authorities were searching for a blue pickup truck that children on the school bus saw in the area of Jennifer’s disappearance, but even those accounts were conflicting. So was every other lead.

Detectives never revealed the cause of Jennifer’s death.

Sheriff Richard Nugent started off Tuesday’s news conference and said, “Recent events have placed this investigation as a top priority for law enforcement.”

The Federal Bureau of Investigation recently joined the task force and sent people from its Behavior Analysis Unit to put some fresh eyes on an old case.

Sheriff’s Capt. Mike Maurer, who is in charge of the major crimes unit, did most of the talking at Tuesday’s news conference. He showed a short video full of photos from Jennifer’s short life.

He said the task force has a renewed intensity thanks to the FBI, which helped local authorities narrow down a list of suspects and come up with a profile for the killer.

“We have focused our investigation on a smaller group of persons of interest,” Maurer said. Physical evidence collected in the case has been sent to the FBI to be tested again because of all the recent advancements in forensic science.

Maurer said the task force is hoping someone with information about Jennifer’s killer will come forward, particularly now that so much time has passed.

“She was a young girl that was tragically murdered and she shouldn’t have been a victim at all,” he said. “And somebody knows something.”

Dressed in a smart business suit, Jennifer’s mother, Reneé Converse, walked to the podium at the sheriff’s office Tuesday and took a deep breath. As soon as she began to speak, her voice cracked and she started to fight back tears.

“Nothing will bring her back, but anything we can do to bring us closer to a resolution would be wonderful,” she said.

Clark Converse, Jennifer’s stepfather, joined his wife and made a public plea for anyone with information in the case to contact the task force.

Maurer said the task force has a new hotline and there’s a new Web site on the case at www.hernandosheriff.org/jennifer.

He said investigators are hoping that someone will know about some items last seen with Jennifer, but were not found with her body. Those items include a white, hooded Hooters sweatshirt, a brown and yellow purse and black boots.

“There are still pieces of the puzzle that are missing,” Maurer said.

Mr. Converse said finding Jennifer’s killer will bring the family a little peace and ensure there are no more press conferences in the future.

“If we don’t have to go through this part of it for the rest of our lives, it will be a blessing,” he said.

His wife added, “Maybe we’ll save another child.”

Michelle Sample, Jennifer’s friend and the last person to see her alive when she got off the bus that day, was there Tuesday and recalled the sadness she has felt ever since.

She never imagined she was waving goodbye to her friend for the last time, she said.

Now she holds her own son a little tighter. She said she still thinks of Jennifer every day.

“I have a child now and I think about him a lot, about everything that happened and keeping him safe,” she said. “It’s scary to think that this person is still out there.”

Reporter Christi Stevens can be contacted at (352) 544-5271.

Usher737
05-11-2006, 05:11 PM
“We have focused our investigation on a smaller group of persons of interest,” Maurer said. Physical evidence collected in the case has been sent to the FBI to be tested again because of all the recent advancements in forensic science.

I wonder if this was actually done. I find it hard to believe no hits came up in the database.

lilsister
05-24-2006, 06:39 PM
This is truly a tragic case. It just breaks your heart. Following is her info on the Florida Dept of LE website (all info should be attributed to this source):


http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/graphics/odom_jr.jpgVICTIM: Jennifer Renee Odom
White Female, Born 8/25/80

On Friday, February 19, 1993, Jennifer stepped off her school bus around 3 p.m., waved goodbye to friends, and started walking the short 200 yards to her home in rural Pasco County, FL. Children on the bus reported they saw a faded blue pickup truck slowly following Jennifer as she walked home, but Jennifer never made it to her door.

During the next days, law enforcement, equipped with police dogs, and hundreds of volunteers scoured 60 square miles of rolling groves, pastures and woods surrounding the tiny Pasco town of Dade City, FL.

On Thursday, February 25, 1993, a man and a woman searching an abandoned orange grove in southeast Hernando County, FL, found Jennifer. Jennifer was nude, left wearing only two rings and a gold necklace with two charms. Jennifer's clothes, including the red sweater and Hooters jacket, have not been found. According to the Hernando County Sheriff's Office, Jennifer was killed, probably shortly after she was kidnapped, from a blow to the head.

Approximately two years later on Thursday, January 5, 1995, a couple hunting for scrap metal in a rural area of Hernando County discovered Jennifer's missing bookbag and clarinet case. The bag and case were found in heavy brush near a dirt road 12 miles west of the area where Jennifer's body was located in 1993 and approximately 20 miles from her home in Pasco County.

Suspect vehicle is a mid to full size, older model pick-up truck, medium to dark blue (faded) in color, with pipes and/or ladders in back, rectangular side mirrors, trailer hitch with wires hanging, and silver bumber in back (not chrome).

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/graphics/odom_alt1.jpg http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/graphics/odom_alt2.jpg http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/graphics/odom_alt3.jpg http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/osi/unsolved/graphics/odom_alt4.jpg
Jennifer was last seen wearing a white zip-up "Hooters" sweat jacket with orange lettering on left sleeve, a red long sleeve pullover sweater possibly cashmere or angora, a white turtleneck shirt, white denim pants, black lace-up boots and carrying a teal blue backpack, tan/brown purse and a black Bundy clarinet, Serial #622747, in a dark grey case. The dark grey case had the name "Leslie Odom" on the outside and the name "Jennifer" on the inside.


For additional information, please visit the Hernando County Sheriff's Office Website:


http://www.hernandosheriff.org/unsolved (http://www.hernandosheriff.org/unsolved)

Sleuthster
01-20-2009, 12:34 PM
*bump for Jennifer*

Has anything new ever come of this case in the past few years??

Being from the Tampa Bay area, and having 3 daughters around the same age at the time it really bothered me that they never caught the POS that did this.

:+:MrTT:+:
10-03-2010, 11:16 PM
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http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/images/cases/mur_jennifer_odom1.jpg
Jennifer Odom

http://www.hernandosheriff.org/unsolved/Odom/

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/ohio/guestbook.aspx?n=jennifer-odom&pid=1638046

http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_jennifer_odom.htm

Skully
10-03-2010, 11:55 PM
Thank you for bumping this, Mr. T. I live very near where this happened, although not at the time of her murder. I didn't know there was a thread on Jennifer. I had an opportunity to hear one of the detectives speak at Hernando sheriff's office and he showed us a picture of the room they keep the files in on her case. It is filled, with thousands of binders, from floor to ceiling, I kid you not. They still get tips on this case. I hope someday she will get justice. I always say, there is someone out there that knows something, it just takes time for the right person to get up the nerve to call in that tip. I found the last link of your "bump" very interesting.

:+:MrTT:+:
10-05-2010, 08:59 PM
Thank you for bumping this, Mr. T. I live very near where this happened, although not at the time of her murder. I didn't know there was a thread on Jennifer. I had an opportunity to hear one of the detectives speak at Hernando sheriff's office and he showed us a picture of the room they keep the files in on her case. It is filled, with thousands of binders, from floor to ceiling, I kid you not. They still get tips on this case. I hope someday she will get justice. I always say, there is someone out there that knows something, it just takes time for the right person to get up the nerve to call in that tip. I found the last link of your "bump" very interesting.


If you can link any information from LE about the investigation that would be wonderful. Especially any visual aids you may know about.

Skully
10-08-2010, 10:26 PM
I will see what I can do. I was surprised to read that NM worked this case. I didn't know Hernando was so open to this. I am happy she was able to give them some insight, if you know what I mean. I moved here in 2000 and had only read what was on the Sheriff's office site. Hernando has a really good LE team. I was really impressed with how large and up to date they are. I had no idea we had our own Forensic unit and swat team. They just recently solved a double murder case this year that was IIRC around 8 yrs old. So I have faith she will get justice one day.

Skully
10-09-2010, 01:05 PM
There are lots of articles over the years on the net, but here is a timeline over the past 9 years.

Jennifer Odom timeline
FEB. 19, 1993: 12-year-old Jennifer Odom steps off the school bus, about 200 yards from her St. Joseph home in east Pasco County.
FEB. 25, 1993: A Brooksville couple discover Jennifer's body along a Spring Lake horse trail in a southeast Hernando County orange grove. Authorities say she died from a head trauma.
DEC. 2, 1994: Jennifer's case is featured on the NBC television show Unsolved Mysteries. Viewers call in with more than 50 tips.
JAN. 5, 1995: A couple hunting for scrap metal find Jennifer's book bag and clarinet case in a rural area in Hernando County, about 12 miles from where her body was found.
JULY 14, 1995: The FBI finds a fingerprint inside Jennifer's book bag. Authorities later say the fingerprint does not belong to Jennifer, her family or the couple who discovered the bag. They find no matches with fingerprints in state and federal criminal databases.
OCT. 2, 1997: Sharra Ferger, a 9-year-old girl, is taken from her Blanton home and stabbed to death. The case evokes memories of Jennifer's death, but authorities believe they are unconnected.
JULY 21, 1998: Police detain a Maine woodsman, Walter Ducharme, for questioning about Jennifer's death.
NOV. 18, 1998: After hearing two days of testimony, a Brooksville grand jury decides not to indict Ducharme in Jennifer's murder.
DEC. 3, 1998: Acting on a tip, a team of forensic technicians searches a Brooksville mobile home for clues in the Odom case.
DEC. 21, 1998: A sheriff's dive team spends five hours searching a large pond near the site where Jennifer's book bag and clarinet case had been found. A man said he found a bag with some papers and a videotape inside, but threw the bag back into the pond before realizing it might pertain to the Odom case. Divers can't find it.
2001: Hernando County's newly formed cold case unit picks up the Odom investigation.
JULY 3, 2002: Richard Evonitz, a man wanted for kidnapping and raping a South Carolina girl, kills himself as Sarasota police officers close in. Hernando detectives evaluate him as a possible suspect in the Odom case, but later rule him out.
-- Source: Times files

Skully
10-09-2010, 06:17 PM
Did write to Hernado county and this is their response

This is not true. We have tried to tell this to him many times but he refuses to listen. Although I cant release details, I can tell you the clarinet was located at a dump site in our county several years ago and remains in our evidence room. She was also wearing a hooters jacket that did not have her name on it. This individual has been warned in the past to quit spreading untruths and giving families false hope. However, as you can see, he would rather spread facts that he knows are not true instead of spending his time finding the truth. Thank-you for your concerns.



From: me10lissa24@aol.com [mailto:me10lissa24@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:58 PM
To: unsolved
Subject: Internet Request


BMM AND UNDERLINED

I would think that if that clarinet was thrown into a dump site, it had to be near or around the date they found it. The email is 2005 so it was found around 2003. It had to be put there fairly recently (within a few yrs) if someone looking for scrap metal could find it near the top of the pile, or even dig down to where it was. I am thinking the crime is now 10 yrs old so if the dump site is used often it would be buried way further down unless it was off to the side, but even so, I don't think it would be sitting so near the top that it could be found easily. JMO.

I also see that in the time line, that the prints were found in 1995 on the case, so that would have helped rule out the two individuals mentioned in the above time line. I know both are dead, WD died in 2008 if I found the correct person.

:+:MrTT:+:
10-09-2010, 06:57 PM
I am looking for the unsolved mysteries episode about this case.
When I find it I will post it.

http://www.hernandosheriff.org/jennifer/Christmas-2a.jpg
Jennifer Odom

:+:MrTT:+:
10-09-2010, 08:07 PM
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http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/1961/t/UNSOLVED-CHILD-MURDER-JENNIFER-ODOM.html

http://www.wearethehope.org/pdf/times_02_28_1998.pdf

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/jennifer-odom

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1993-05-30/news/9305300208_1_department-store-mannequin-hernando-county-pasco

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1993-06-05/news/9306050428_1_pasco-psychic-bus-stop


The following story appeared on
Sunday, March 2, 2008

http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2008/03/getting-away-with-murder.html

Skully
10-10-2010, 08:24 AM
Thanks for the links Mr T. I read the 2008 article, that is the newest i have found. I sort of think there were 2 men in this case. If you are driving down a person's driveway, because that is really what it is when you live out here, so close to the home, you want to do this as quick as possible. She was 12, so she would have been hard to keep in a truck and drive. I would think he had help. He drove and the other person snatched her. Of course this is just my imagination of how someone could take a 12 yr old in broad daylight with witness very close, (school bus and kids). Any thoughts on this case???? I want to see if I can post a map of where she was taken and where she was found along with the places the items were recovered. As soon as I get the psychical address, I will post it. Wonder if we could get some others here to help us sleuth this case???? Do you think we would be allowed a Dream/Vision thread since they (Hernando SO) had one person do a reading already???? I think that is great they were so open minded to do this.

:+:MrTT:+:
10-10-2010, 09:41 AM
I will see what I can do. I was surprised to read that NM worked this case. I didn't know Hernando was so open to this. I am happy she was able to give them some insight, if you know what I mean. I moved here in 2000 and had only read what was on the Sheriff's office site. Hernando has a really good LE team. I was really impressed with how large and up to date they are. I had no idea we had our own Forensic unit and swat team. They just recently solved a double murder case this year that was IIRC around 8 yrs old. So I have faith she will get justice one day.


Thanks for the links Mr T. I read the 2008 article, that is the newest i have found. I sort of think there were 2 men in this case. If you are driving down a person's driveway, because that is really what it is when you live out here, so close to the home, you want to do this as quick as possible. She was 12, so she would have been hard to keep in a truck and drive. I would think he had help. He drove and the other person snatched her. Of course this is just my imagination of how someone could take a 12 yr old in broad daylight with witness very close, (school bus and kids). Any thoughts on this case???? I want to see if I can post a map of where she was taken and where she was found along with the places the items were recovered. As soon as I get the psychical address, I will post it. Wonder if we could get some others here to help us sleuth this case???? Do you think we would be allowed a Dream/Vision thread since they (Hernando SO) had one person do a reading already???? I think that is great they were so open minded to do this.



I am still looking for the unsolved mysteries episode, and the Americas Most Wanted episode to use as visual aids.

Any Visual aids in these cold cases are very Welcomed.

As are any original photos taken at the time the crime was committed. Your comment about the room with the stacks of files from LE on the case excited me. How i would love to spend a week or so in that room!

I wish they would release some of those files, since the case has gone cold.
And I look forward to seeing your MAP!!!!!!!!!
As far as the dream thread, i really don't know how that works. Perhaps asking a mod would give you the answer.
I am not very good at sleuthing, i rely on information posted by others mostly, before posting my thoughts on cases.



I give credit to the officer whom went outside the box in his investigation to try and solve this crime. Its not often, an LE investigator will use methods as he did, to try and solve a crime such as this. If Jennifer was my daughter, I to, would want them to do anything that may help solve this crime.



I wont have any thoughts on this case until i see the videos. And/or be able to read any official LE documents on this case.

I do know they had some POI. And one they took to a GJ, but the GJ failed to indict with the evidence given to them. Others were determined to either be in jail at the time, or out of state during the crime.



The fingerprint in the purse, could have been a schoolmate?

Uncertain if it was the killers print.

But just speculating on that.


...OT...
Interesting.
I replied to your post, number 21.
And your post, number 16 showed up also in the reply?
That has never happened to me before?
Remember the numbers 1621, and or 2116.
And your icon is beautiful!
Reminds me of a Mona painting.

Skully
10-10-2010, 01:15 PM
Mr TT,

I did request a dream thread, will have to see how that pans out. If you read through the time line it names the two POI that they looked at, but neither one fit the bill. Both deceased now. That print holds the key, but the person must be very smart to never have been arrested on anything over time to connect them to her. I would think there is DNA also in this case.

I would love to see the videos as well. Hope others will come on board and join us. We have some really good sleuths here.:dance:

Skully
10-11-2010, 09:07 AM
hope this link works, it is a story on Cherie Morrisette and her killer being caught after 10 years due to DNA. She was killed in 1996 in Jacksonville. I hope they checked this guy out.



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9505EFDF1E31F934A25750C0A9609C8B 63



sniped


10 Years After Girl's Murder, DNA Link Results in Arrest
By STACEY STOWE
Published: March 17, 2006



For almost a decade after her body was found in a Florida river, there was no suspect in the death of Cherie Morrisette, 11. But the police here announced on Thursday that a New Britain man would be charged with her rape and murder after a DNA database linked him to the crime.

The man, Robert Shelton Mitchell, 43, was arraigned in Superior Court in New Britain on Thursday and charged as a fugitive from justice from Jacksonville, Fla. He was held on a $5 million bond, awaiting extradition to Florida, where he will be charged with first-degree murder and capital sexual battery, said Sgt. J. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police.

When he was questioned by detectives from Florida on Wednesday, Mr. Mitchell confessed to raping Cherie, said Chuck Mulligan, a spokesman for the St. Johns County Sheriff's Office in Florida. Mr. Mulligan added that Mr. Mitchell was ''being elusive and denying that he had anything to do with her murder.''

On Dec. 2, 1996, Cherie left her apartment in Mandarin, on the south side of Jacksonville, after arguing with her sister, 12, over washing the dishes, Mr. Mulligan said. Six days later, her clothed body was found in the St. Johns River, 13 miles away. An autopsy found no signs of foul play. But forensics testing found evidence of semen, and detectives classified the case as a homicide, Mr. Mulligan said.

Over the years, Florida detectives tried to use DNA from Cherie's body to solve her murder but it was not until last year that a DNA profile was developed by the Biology Laboratory of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

The profile was sent to the nationwide DNA bank, where it matched Mr. Mitchell's sample, officials said. Florida detectives received the results about a week and half ago and flew to Connecticut on Tuesday, Mr. Mulligan said.

Mr. Mitchell, in prison in 2003 after being convicted of sexual contact with a 13-year-old in Windsor Locks, had given a DNA sample to the Connecticut sex offenders' registry, Sergeant Vance said. The Connecticut Forensics Laboratory entered the sample into the nationwide data bank. At the time of the killing, Mr. Mitchell lived in Middleburg, Fla.

''He picked her up when she left her apartment,'' Mr. Mulligan said. ''We believe it was a crime of opportunity. He wasn't stalking her.''

Skully
10-11-2010, 04:34 PM
We now have a Dream/Vision thread for Jennifer Odom! It is located in the parking lot. So please feel free to move posts that apply or post any thing about dreams you may have had about Jennifer or this case.

Thank you Kimster for the thread:angel:

Skully
10-12-2010, 07:18 AM
bumping....

CN2Souls
10-12-2010, 10:47 AM
:hug: to all.

:+:MrTT:+:
10-12-2010, 08:34 PM
Mr TT,

I did request a dream thread, will have to see how that pans out. If you read through the time line it names the two POI that they looked at, but neither one fit the bill. Both deceased now. That print holds the key, but the person must be very smart to never have been arrested on anything over time to connect them to her. I would think there is DNA also in this case.

I would love to see the videos as well. Hope others will come on board and join us. We have some really good sleuths here.:dance:
I to would like to know if they have a DNA profile, even if there has been no match so far. Just to know they do have the DNA identity of the killer perhaps, is a good thing.

As far as the print/prints i have seen both in articles. One mentions print was found, and another will mention prints? I would like to see the LE document, that states which of the two is correct?

Even though they are open on this case, they are still very much tight lipped about certain things, which is understandable.
That is why I am still looking for, hoping to see the unsolved mysteries episode. It will take us there, where the crime occurred and show us things. It will show us what LE officials speculate may have happened on that day! And with that, and knowing if they do or don't have a DNA identity on record and if it was a print or prints found inside the bay, we can try and help fill in some of the blanks.

Skully
10-15-2010, 02:27 PM
Mr TT,

I couldn't find the 48 Hours program on the site, but they had the latest articles to 2006. After reading them, the case and clarinet were found together and that was in 1995. So nothing new since then :(

Skully
10-17-2010, 02:00 PM
My theory for today:

One person

I was thinking about Jennifer and her walking home after school and the fact she had a backpack, clarinet with case and a purse. If she had the backpack on, her purse on her shoulder and she was carrying the case, a person approaching her to get her into that truck or car, most likely knew her. Here's way; he is driving, so to get her in the car or truck he had to stop and force her in and then keep her in the car as he tries to shut doors, drive the car and get away at 3pm, risk someone seeing him or hearing him or her (screams). The chances of her dropping one of those items is high in a struggle. So for this theory I will say he knows her. What if he offered to give her a lift, just to her door, as he is going to the house or that way for some reason, and she gets in. Now if you are wearing a backpack with school books and supplies, I would think you would maybe slide it off to sit in a car or truck, and maybe toss it into a back seat along with the clarinet case. Most likely she would set it in the front seat in between them for the ride to the house, but let's say she put in the back seat because he asked her too. So she has her purse with her. So we know she didn't get to the front door as it was locked, so what happened? Did he say he had to pick something up that he forgot, it will only take a second and we will be right back? Maybe it was at his home, or work place, or a school. I say this, because, if she knew him or trusted him enough to get into the car or truck, she may have felt safe enough to go for that short distance to go get that tool or item he has to get. This would explain no struggle or items left at the road leading up to the home. This would also make me think he took her to a secondary location and disposed of her body at a third location. I got to thinking why were her cloths not found with the backpack and the case? I think when they got to the secondary location, he asked her to come in. She got out, leaving the backpack and case in the car and took her purse into a home, or building. She was separated from those items. When it was time to clean up he may have gathered the cloths, shoes and purse, and put them in a bag or tossed them into a dumpster. He then took her body to a separate location. If the backpack or case were in the back seat, he may have noticed it at a later time and drove to a dump site and tossed them. He didn't take her jewelry as any kind of keepsake, so I think he would have disposed of the cloths too, just as he did the backpack and case, I just think they were over looked in all the excitement of getting rid of the body and trying to get rid of any evidence of her being there. There is the possibility that he used two different vehicles too. The truck could have been what he picked her up in but put her in a trunk of a car to dispose of the body. This would explain forgetting about the case and backpack. The truck described is old and may not have had a back seat or cap on the back, so how do you transport a body unsee? So that is why I think he used a car to get rid of the body. I don't know if Pasco county has a different dump site than Hernando back in 1993 but if the cloths were tossed into a dumpster or trash, they could be in a different dump site than where the case and backpack were found. Also, if she knew him, and this was an old truck, he could have been much younger, not being able to afford a nice car, not able to get dates with girls his own age; things like that.

Sleuthster
10-18-2010, 06:50 AM
I have always felt that Jennifer was abducted/killed by someone who knew her or her family. The family lived in a rural area, its uncommon (not impossible) that a sexual preditor goes looking for a child in a rural area.

For example, another case from this area that happened several years ago; Elisa Nielson. Larry Eugene Mann was convicted of killing her, she was abducted walking to school late from a dentist appt. She was walking in Palm Harbor on a busy road, aprox 1 block from her school.

I live in west pasco, there are some strange strange people that wander the streets all hours. I sit on my porch and they dont bother me (I keep the screen locked lol). I just cant imagine that this perp found Jennifer and got her to get in his truck without her objecting in broad daylight unless she knew him or knew of him.

I wonder if they have run the finger print recently.

Skully
10-18-2010, 06:58 AM
I agree, I sat the other day and tried to visualize how this went down and the only way I see her going without a fight is she either knew the person well enough to go willingly or there were two people that day and she was just ambushed and put in the truck. But there would have been some sign of struggle. I don't if the print has been run since 2006 or not. I read that they sent out DNA to be run in 2006. Do you know where she was found, on what road? I wanted to post a map of the locations that she was taken to where her stuff was found and her location?

Thanks

Sleuthster
10-18-2010, 07:09 AM
I'll have to check google archieves to see where she was was located. I remember it was an orange grove in a different county near the western part of the co I believe. I remember pulling it up on mapquest when Jessica Lunsford disappeared.

Sleuthster
10-18-2010, 07:16 AM
actually it was a SE Hernando Co abandoned orange grove
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/16/Pasco/_Nothing_will_ever_be.shtml

They found her clarinet just north of spring hill. Spring hill boarders Pasco/Hernando line. So the person could be from Spring hill area.

Skully
10-18-2010, 07:21 AM
I know she was found in Hernando, in an orange grove, but I thought it was Lake Lindsey road???? I also heard that the items found were behind Oak Hill Hospital but it was before the hospital was built. I don't know where she was taken from, the road name. I wanted to do a google maps with pins for each place just to see the distance and areas. 41 and Lake Lindsey are about the same as they were back in 1993 I am told.

Skully
10-23-2010, 06:21 PM
If she knew and trusted her killer, I am trying to think who she would be inclined to be that trusting with and yet the family doesn't know them or LE hasn't tied them into this in some way. At that age, I would have trusted a teacher, another parent of a friend or classmate. I would have trusted maybe an older boy who drove, if I liked him. Definitely some one from church, or a coach from school. Neighbors that were close to me, maybe someone who did work around the house for my parents, like on the cars, or yard work, something like that. These wouldn't be stranger to a young girl if they were people you had contact with and your parents liked them or trusted them. I know they looked into everyone who owned a older blue pickup truck, but none of them led anywhere. If she had a boy interested in her, would she keep that to herself or would she confide in a best friend? I think she would have at least mentioned if a older boy liked her, one that drove. She was in lots of sports and an honor student so she came into contact with lots of people I would think..... :waitasec:

Skully
10-28-2010, 06:58 AM
I do now have locations on a map of where she was taken from, to where her body was found to where her backpack and case where found. So my list changes on who could have been around that day. The areas are not near each other, and from what I know of it, you would have to know where she lived; I don't see someone just stumbling upon this girl walking home. In the dream/vision thread, I stated he had been down that road before, I am more convinced of that now.

Delivery person
Bus driver
Mail carrier
Tow truck driver
Emergency person
Real Estate person
Contractor

These are all people who would have to know the areas around them if they work any of these types of jobs. 1993 we didn't gave GPS for cars, we were still using maps. I don't think we had Map Quest either. So if you did any kind of job like the above you could spot a girl getting off a school bus and follow her up a long road to her home. Most of these people would have a flexible time frame for work. Most of jobs would allow you to be out at 3pm and driving around and have flexable time to pickup a person and then later dispose of a body, and swing around to a dump site and toss out evidence.

Mr TT where are you?

Skully
10-28-2010, 10:38 AM
continued...

Lawn cutting, tree trimming
Road workers
A recent visitor of a neighbor or friend not normally in the area
Meter reader
Trash pick ups

All could have known the areas but still has to be someone that knew Mom and dad worked and Little sister came home later. Someone she may have trusted to get into a truck or there were two people and she had no choice. Still nothing dropped or left behind as if a struggle occurred. So I still feel someone stopped with the ruse of giving her a lift to the house.

Feels like I am just blogging to myself here, but I really want to get my thoughts out. I still hope someone who has that little doubt, that suspecting of a person, that nagging feeling, will read here and call LE or tell someone about that "feeling". He may have called off work that Friday or came home with scratches but said it was from work, but you had a "feeling". :waitasec:

Beatrice
10-28-2010, 07:53 PM
School busstop at intersection of Jessimine/Jim Denny Rd.


Jennifer's body was found in an abandoned orange grove in southeastern Hernando County off Powell Road in the Spring Lake area.
The crack in the case was in 1995, when Jennifer's missing book bag and clarinet case were found near Oak Hill Hospital in Weeki Wachee, almost 13 miles away from where Jennifer was found.

Bern, Oak Hill Hosp. was not there in 1993?

Skully
10-28-2010, 08:39 PM
I don't think it was there in 1993, but reports recaping the story, later on as the years went by, my be using it as a landmark. I think there was a dump site behind it, before they built the hospital, but I can check.

CN2Souls
10-29-2010, 06:50 AM
Do we have a map yet of all the locations? :waitasec:


UPDATE:

:floorlaugh: I just tried to make a map, :floorlaugh:

I really am challenged when it comes to maps. LOL

Skully
10-29-2010, 11:20 AM
Will get a map in place today....


Want to do a video of the drive also. Give you a sense of the drive and time and what the area was like. 17 is a long time, but some of the areas have not changed much.

also add REPAIR MEN to that list.....

Skully
10-29-2010, 11:58 AM
School busstop at intersection of Jessimine/Jim Denny Rd.



Bern, Oak Hill Hosp. was not there in 1993?

Okay Oak Hill Hospital was built in 1984 so it was there in 1993. I only see one dump for the area and it is WM off 19 near there, but not behind it. So it could have been an unofficial dump site, and people dumped there.

Anyone in construction, home repairs would be familiar with dumps because they have to haul debris away.:angel:

Skully
10-29-2010, 12:40 PM
this is from the bus stop to where she was found to the dump behind Oak Hill Hospital. I don't have exact locations for her body or the dump, put this will give you a really good idea of the distances.

becca
10-29-2010, 02:42 PM
this is from the bus stop to where she was found to the dump behind Oak Hill Hospital. I don't have exact locations for her body or the dump, put this will give you a really good idea of the distances.

Oak Hill is in Hernando, Jennifer lived in Pasco. This was my first missing case. I will come back and read the whole thread later and give you some insight to the changes around the area. It has changed .

Skully
10-29-2010, 03:07 PM
Oak Hill is in Hernando, Jennifer lived in Pasco. This was my first missing case. I will come back and read the whole thread later and give you some insight to the changes around the area. It has changed .

Hi Becca,

Thank you for posting here. I think we have the right starting point for her bus stop, but Spring Lake was confusing, not sure exactly where she was found on that road. There is an Old Spring Lake too, just off Spring Lake hwy. Also I put in Oak Hill hospital's address as the paper stated the dump site was behind it. Any help would be greatly appreciated :angel:

becca
10-29-2010, 08:09 PM
Hi Becca,

Thank you for posting here. I think we have the right starting point for her bus stop, but Spring Lake was confusing, not sure exactly where she was found on that road. There is an Old Spring Lake too, just off Spring Lake hwy. Also I put in Oak Hill hospital's address as the paper stated the dump site was behind it. Any help would be greatly appreciated :angel:

Thanks for the welcome, back in the day and in some cases still, the dump sites that are mentioned are just that - places in the woods people dump trash to keep from paying at the landfill or having those loud trucks stop in front of the house. Lets face it this is redneck country and back when Jennifer first went missing it was just as bad as today. Powell Rd is off US 41 in south Hernando. Jennifer was walking from the bus stop at the end of her driveway in St. Antonio in Pasco County. On the map it is right outside of Dade City.
The person that did this drove a blue Ford pick up truck. My Dad saw that same truck in their neighborhood months later.They didn't live close by either. This tells me the guy worked in construction and moved around the area freely. His job allowed him to blend in and pass bus stops easily.
This guy was probably in his 30s at the time, a loner and good at his trade.

Just my 2cents. Pasco and Hernando worked this case hard. If they didn't come up with something to link anyone to it , it means that there wasn't anything. They won't give up looking though. I know some of those detectives and they just keep trying to find something.

Beatrice
10-29-2010, 11:02 PM
Bern, thanks for the map. It looks like one big circle.

Becca, please refresh my memory about Powell Rd.
Please share with us about your father's sighting? Thanks.

Even psychic Nancy Myers sees 2 men, mechanic-types....
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Jennifer_Odom

Any idea when Nancy posted this?

:+:MrTT:+:
10-30-2010, 07:17 AM
Jennifer Odom
http://www.hernandosheriff.org/jennifer/Christmas-2a.jpg
*FEB. 19, 1993 A Friday

*DEC. 2, 1994: Jennifer's case is featured on the NBC television show Unsolved Mysteries. Viewers call in with more than 50 tips.
(If someone has this episode from Unsolved Mysteries, could you please download it and post it here)

(Thank you Beatrice for providing the following link)
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/16/Pasco/_Nothing_will_ever_be.shtml

(Jennifer Odom time-line)

*FEB. 19, 1993: 12-year-old Jennifer Odom steps off the school bus, about 200 yards from her St. Joseph home in east Pasco County.

FEB. 25, 1993: A Brooksville couple discover Jennifer's body along a Spring Lake horse trail in a southeast Hernando County orange grove. Authorities say she died from a head trauma.

*DEC. 2, 1994: Jennifer's case is featured on the NBC television show Unsolved Mysteries. Viewers call in with more than 50 tips.

JAN. 5, 1995: A couple hunting for scrap metal find Jennifer's book bag and clarinet case in a rural area in Hernando County, about 12 miles from where her body was found.

JULY 14, 1995: The FBI finds a fingerprint inside Jennifer's book bag. Authorities later say the fingerprint does not belong to Jennifer, her family or the couple who discovered the bag. They find no matches with fingerprints in state and federal criminal databases.

OCT. 2, 1997: Sharra Ferger, a 9-year-old girl, is taken from her Blanton home and stabbed to death. The case evokes memories of Jennifer's death, but authorities believe they are unconnected.

JULY 21, 1998: Police detain a Maine woodsman, Walter Ducharme, for questioning about Jennifer's death.

NOV. 18, 1998: After hearing two days of testimony, a Brooksville grand jury decides not to indict Ducharme in Jennifer's murder.

DEC. 3, 1998: Acting on a tip, a team of forensic technicians searches a Brooksville mobile home for clues in the Odom case.

DEC. 21, 1998: A sheriff's dive team spends five hours searching a large pond near the site where Jennifer's book bag and clarinet case had been found. A man said he found a bag with some papers and a videotape inside, but threw the bag back into the pond before realizing it might pertain to the Odom case. Divers can't find it.

2001: Hernando County's newly formed cold case unit picks up the Odom investigation.

JULY 3, 2002: Richard Evonitz, a man wanted for kidnapping and raping a South Carolina girl, kills himself as Sarasota police officers close in. Hernando detectives evaluate him as a possible suspect in the Odom case, but later rule him out.


If anyone can add to the above time line after July3 2002
Please do so.


To help
Detective Mike Nelson at the Hernando County Sheriff's Office toll-free at
1-877-282-5727
or e-mail
unsolved@hernandosheriff.org (unsolved@hernandosheriff.org).

Skully
10-30-2010, 08:13 AM
I found the episode but it is on a DVD (i think) and I can't access it unless you buy it. It is the 5th season with the 1987 DVD, but I don't know if this is included on that disc? I am going to email them and see if we can find the episode. I went to USM web site and found a list of episodes, but you can't view them.....

:+:MrTT:+:
10-30-2010, 09:37 AM
...
Video Tribute
http://www.hernandosheriff.org/jennifer/Jennifer.wmv


*From the following link
http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/1961/t/UNSOLVED-CHILD-MURDER-JENNIFER-ODOM.html

*Post #5
Published: Feb 24, 2004
...But they won't turn anyone down. Investigators have talked to psychics and people who said they had a dream one night about her, Nelson said. They talk to anyone who may have something to say...

Beatrice
10-30-2010, 12:22 PM
Snip:


Approximately two years later on Thursday, January 5, 1995, a couple hunting for scrap metal in a rural area of Hernando County discovered Jennifer's missing book bag and clarinet case. The bag and case were found in heavy brush near a dirt road 12 miles west of the area where Jennifer's body was located in 1993 and approximately 20 miles from her home in Pasco County.

Suspect vehicle is a mid to full size, older model pick-up truck, medium to dark blue (faded) in color, with pipes and/or ladders in back, rectangular side mirrors, trailer hitch with wires hanging, and silver bumper in back (not chrome).

An area known for finding scrap metal?

Pipes or ladders?
Wasn't Jennifer's father in the tree trimming business?

Was the abductor an ex disgruntled employee?
Had it originally been a kidnapping?

Trailer hitch? Landscaper?
Scrap metal seller?

Skully
10-30-2010, 06:02 PM
Snip:



An area known for finding scrap metal?

Pipes or ladders?
Wasn't Jennifer's father in the tree trimming business?

Was the abductor an ex disgruntled employee?
Had it originally been a kidnapping?

Trailer hitch? Landscaper?
Scrap metal seller?

I think he could have been a tree trimmer or even a home repair guy because of the truck being old and a ladder and pipes in the back, he used it to get to high places, maybe a roof.. So I think self employed handyman type.

Also according to locals, the dump site was an illegal dumping ground. He knew where it was, 28 miles from her home, behind Oak Hill Hospital. Someone who hauls stuff away, after a job, like old air conditioners, wood, plaster, debris from working on a house, would know where to dump stuff.

In 1993 most people in Pasco could burn off stuff in the yard. So a backpack and clarinet case and clarinet, are a bit much to try to burn down, but a few cloths, some boots, and a purse, you could burn them in a trash can and get rid of evidence that way. Or just toss them somewhere else. But why separate her belongings? I think he forgot about these items and had to dump them later. JMO

CN2Souls
10-30-2010, 06:42 PM
I don't see the dump sight as the Unsub dumping the things there . I see it as a "clean out" of the home or a building and the person who dumped it there had no idea what they were.

Can I get a distance on the DS from the bus stop?

And any other similar cases in a 100 mile radius?

Skully
10-30-2010, 07:00 PM
I don't see the dump sight as the Unsub dumping the things there . I see it as a "clean out" of the home or a building and the person who dumped it there had no idea what they were.

Can I get a distance on the DS from the bus stop?

And any other similar cases in a 100 mile radius?

Excellent thought, I believe the distance from her home to the site of found items was 28 miles- I know from where the body was to the site was 12. So that is about right.

myzzy
10-30-2010, 07:03 PM
I was raised in Pasco County from 1980 till 2003 when i moved, Much has changed over the years.

I will see what i can dig up to help , here is a video tha may be of help till others can chime im

http://video.tbo.com/m/34922790/odom-investigation-continues.htm


Added - Newspaper articles

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ICghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zXsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2347,8890&dq=jennifer+odom&hl=en
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51619121.html?dids=51619121:51619121&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Feb+27%2C+1993&author=CHUCK+MURPHY%3B+VICTORIA+WHITE%3B+BILL+STEV ENS%3B+SALLY+HICKS%3B+WES+PLATT%3B+ROBERT+ROGERS&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&desc=Jennifer+died+of+head+wound&pqatl=google
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51618565.html?dids=51618565:51618565&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Feb+26%2C+1993&author=SALLY+HICKS%3B+WES+PLATT%3B+LARRY+DOUGHERTY %3B+NANCY+WEIL&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&desc=Missing+girl+found+dead+in+Hernando+County&pqatl=google
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/07/Hernando/Investigators_study_s.shtml
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/jennifer-odom
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/16/Pasco/_Nothing_will_ever_be.shtml

Sleuthster
10-30-2010, 07:13 PM
I think he could have been a tree trimmer or even a home repair guy because of the truck being old and a ladder and pipes in the back, he used it to get to high places, maybe a roof.. So I think self employed handyman type.

Also according to locals, the dump site was an illegal dumping ground. He knew where it was, 28 miles from her home, behind Oak Hill Hospital. Someone who hauls stuff away, after a job, like old air conditioners, wood, plaster, debris from working on a house, would know where to dump stuff.

In 1993 most people in Pasco could burn off stuff in the yard. So a backpack and clarinet case and clarinet, are a bit much to try to burn down, but a few cloths, some boots, and a purse, you could burn them in a trash can and get rid of evidence that way. Or just toss them somewhere else. But why separate her belongings? I think he forgot about these items and had to dump them later. JMO

Or....it could have been dumped in a seperate place because someone else dumped it, like a spouse or family member who found it hidden in the house. Sometimes, these POS's keep a memento, something personal and I cant see that they would have dumped it seperately much less parted with their trophy at all. I can see that someone else could have done it, especially since it was at a different location.

I have heard that 3 people usually know about a crime; the victim, the perp, and the person the perp confides in.

CN2Souls
10-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Or....it could have been dumped in a separate place because someone else dumped it, like a spouse or family member who found it hidden in the house. Sometimes, these POS's keep a memento, something personal and I cant see that they would have dumped it separately much less parted with their trophy at all. I can see that someone else could have done it, especially since it was at a different location.

I have heard that 3 people usually know about a crime; the victim, the perp, and the person the perp confides in.

Oops sorry wrong thread, not in parking lot "Jennifer Odom Visions and Dreams"

Skully
10-30-2010, 08:36 PM
THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO this was Oct 28th, just 2 days ago.... I missed it, I was out. Glad to see some new interest in this case. :woohoo:


I was raised in Pasco County from 1980 till 2003 when i moved, Much has changed over the years.

I will see what i can dig up to help , here is a video tha may be of help till others can chime im

http://video.tbo.com/m/34922790/odom-investigation-continues.htm


Added - Newspaper articles

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ICghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zXsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2347,8890&dq=jennifer+odom&hl=en
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51619121.html?dids=51619121:51619121&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Feb+27%2C+1993&author=CHUCK+MURPHY%3B+VICTORIA+WHITE%3B+BILL+STEV ENS%3B+SALLY+HICKS%3B+WES+PLATT%3B+ROBERT+ROGERS&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&desc=Jennifer+died+of+head+wound&pqatl=google
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51618565.html?dids=51618565:51618565&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Feb+26%2C+1993&author=SALLY+HICKS%3B+WES+PLATT%3B+LARRY+DOUGHERTY %3B+NANCY+WEIL&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&desc=Missing+girl+found+dead+in+Hernando+County&pqatl=google
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/07/Hernando/Investigators_study_s.shtml
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/jennifer-odom
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/16/Pasco/_Nothing_will_ever_be.shtml

Skully
10-30-2010, 08:49 PM
The links to the old articles are good too, I see there was another attempt of a child and they got a partial plate number, the truck was from Pasco.

becca
10-30-2010, 09:26 PM
The links to the old articles are good too, I see there was another attempt of a child and they got a partial plate number, the truck was from Pasco.

I feel for this family , they will never have any kind of finality (no such thing as closure). Not until there is someone in prison on death row for this crime against a child.
I am going to do some asking around of some people that I know and see if there are any new leads. Will get back to you on that and a few other things.

Skully
10-30-2010, 11:13 PM
I do want to say this; It is hard to point a finger at someone in a case like this. No one wants to be the one to say they think someone they know may or may not have done something, especially something this bad. So I think if there is a person, who has a tip or a memory of some thing off or someone who could be connected, it is hard to pick up that phone. When you call the tip line, the person at the other end of the phone, for Hernando is sitting in Canada. They don't know who you are, they don't see your email or list your phone number. It was set up so people could call in tips and stay anonymous. So if that would be a reason not to speak up, don't worry about it. Do the right thing. If you are wrong, they will check it out before they do anything, and if you are right, well Jennifer's family and Jennifer will be grateful for ever.

:+:MrTT:+:
10-31-2010, 11:12 AM
[quote=myzzy;5747151]I was raised in Pasco County from 1980 till 2003 when i moved, Much has changed over the years.

I will see what i can dig up to help , here is a video tha may be of help till others can chime im

http://video.tbo.com/m/34922790/odom-investigation-continues.htm




thanks for the video. at about 29 seconds it shows an aerial view where the bus would have stopped, and Jen got off and started to walk towards her home. It looks like it was filmed from the day, there seems to be LE cars parked around where the bus would have stopped.



I don't think she got any further then a quarter of the way down the road before someone turn into the drive and snatched her.


I am not sure of the directions i see in the video. But i am guessing her walking down the drive would be heading North, and the road the bus would have been on, would be east and west is that correct?


They said she had been in the location for about a week before she was found, and speculate she was killed not long after being taken.

If you come out of her drive way, and turn left, which would be east i am guessing, would that take you to the place where she was found?


When you ask your questions around, see if you can get an answer from LE about whether or not they looked at satellite images from that day, to see if anything was photographed. I have seen in some cases where they do in fact check satellite images for any vehicles in the area.


If you can help find that unsolved mysterious episode featuring this case that would be a plus, for it was created not long, perhaps a year or so after the abduction, and will show us how things looked around the time the crime was committed.

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 11:18 AM
[quote=myzzy;5747151]I was raised in Pasco County from 1980 till 2003 when i moved, Much has changed over the years.

I will see what i can dig up to help , here is a video tha may be of help till others can chime I'm

http://video.tbo.com/m/34922790/odom-investigation-continues.htm




thanks for the video. at about 29 seconds it shows an aerial view where the bus would have stopped, and Jen got off and started to walk toward her home. It looks like it was filmed from the day, there seems to be LE cars parked around where the bus would have stopped.



I don't think she got any further then a quarter of the way down the road before someone turn into the drive and snatched her.



I am not sure of the directions i see in the video. But i am guessing her walking down the drive would be heading North, and the road the bus would have been on, would be east and west is that correct?



They said she had been in the location for about a week before she was found, and speculate she was killed not long after being taken.


If you come out of her drive way, and turn left, which would be east i am guessing, would that take you to the place where she was found?



When you ask your questions around, see if you can get an answer from LE about whether or not they looked at satellite images from that day, to see if anything was photographed. I have seen in some cases where they do in fact check satellite images for any vehicles in the area.



If you can help find that unsolved mysterious episode featuring this case that would be a plus, for it was created not long, perhaps a year or so after the abduction, and will show us how things looked around the time the crime was committed.


OK I am all turned around now, LOL ( me being map challenged and all):blushing:

Didn't she have to walk down Jimmy Dean Road to her driveway the up her drive way?
Or am I totally off the map on this?

:+:MrTT:+:
10-31-2010, 11:28 AM
At 31 seconds on the video, the white gravel looking road, isnt that the road she would have been walking on to reach home after the bus dropped her off?

Or would she had been walking down the dark color road towards what looks like a trailer or barn at 31 seconds in the video?

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 12:05 PM
At 31 seconds on the video, the white gravel looking road, isn't that the road she would have been walking on to reach home after the bus dropped her off?

Or would she had been walking down the dark color road toward what looks like a trailer or barn at 31 seconds in the video?


I have troubles telling my Left from my Right 99% of the Time so I am not sure, :blushing:

Maybe when Bern gets back on she can straighten it out. LOL

Skully
10-31-2010, 02:32 PM
Okay, this is a very rough drawing.......


From the school to Jennifer's home is 10.5 miles
from the home to Spring Lake is 11.1 miles
from Spring Lake to the dump site behind the hospital is 12 miles

I included the other map too...

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 02:40 PM
How long on Jimmy Denny road did she have to walk before she got to her driveway?

Skully
10-31-2010, 02:41 PM
Her drive way is Jim Denney road..... 200 yards to her home......

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Her drive way is Jim Denney road..... 200 yards to her home......


:doh: I told you I was Map challenged, LOL (Me :loser:)

Beatrice
10-31-2010, 02:53 PM
Bern, I was just typing this up when you posted your maps (TY!)
Please let me know if I have any of this wrong....Especially the found evidence.

I may be wrong,,,But from what I have read:

Jennifer is let off the bus at Jessimine and Jim Denney Rd.
She walks 200 yards (2 blocks?) east towards her house.
The pick up is seen following her.

Jim Denney is Jennifer's grandfather.
Most of the properties/acreage on this short street are owned by the family.
The video aerial view from the video shows LE and an in-ground pool. This property is at the end of JD Rd. Jennifer's house?

(At the time) Jennifer's new step father owns a tree trimming/"All Around" Fix up business with an address of Jim Denney Rd. The truck with the pipes, ladder, trailer hitch, etc. could be an employee/ex employee...Possibly with the intent of originally kidnapping Jennifer?

If you take Jessimine Rd north, (Iola Rd.) it will take you directly to Spring Lake, FL area where her remains were found. 12 miles directly to the west (Powell Rd) is where the clarinet was found. Couple was looking for "scrap metal" And "behind" Oak Hill Hospital...Backpack, etc. found. Backpack has an unknown finger print inside.

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 02:59 PM
12091

OK so from this bing map the bus was traveling south?

Skully
10-31-2010, 03:06 PM
12091

OK so from this bing map the bus was traveling south?

Look at my hand drawn map, the bus is going North because it is heading N to on Jassmine road and leaves her off in front of Jim Denney road. I think I am correct on this map, but I haven't driven to the locations yet. If you put your map next to mine you can see the orange grove there. She has to walk up that road, past those trees, up to her home. I may be a bit off, but not by far. Maybe another person who has been to the street will confirm it. But I know the walk to the house was 200 yards.....

Beatric,

the evidence found locations are correct. I put them on that other map. Click the thumb nail to see.

Skully
10-31-2010, 03:17 PM
I have a question. The bus lets her out facing the drive way or Jim Denney road, and she goes E like on the map up the road towards the house. Now, if the bus stops and lets her out, and then closes the door and drives N, how does the truck follow her up the drive way in time for the kids to see this happening? They say it is sitting there, so do they mean facing E towards the house, pulled off to the side of that road? She would then have to walk past the truck in order for it to be following her. How long did the bus sit so the kids would see this take place? Or were the kids in the back of the bus looking out the back window and seeing him start up the truck and follow her?

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 03:21 PM
I have a question. The bus lets her out facing the drive way or Jim Denney road, and she goes E like on the map up the road toward the house. Now, if the bus stops and lets her out, and then closes the door and drives N, how does the truck follow her up the drive way in time for the kids to see this happening? They say it is sitting there, so do they mean facing E toward the house, pulled off to the side of that road? She would then have to walk past the truck in order for it to be following her. How long did the bus sit so the kids would see this take place? Or were the kids in the back of the bus looking out the back window and seeing him start up the truck and follow her?


Very good point Bern, and from Video of the area from back then the trees were very little then so people would have seen him sitting there, Kind of risky, also she would have walked past his truck at that time. Hmmmm?:waitasec:

Beatrice
10-31-2010, 03:59 PM
There is no mention of which school she attended.
There is a Sacred Heart Preschool south (Jennifer was 12 years old)
Her Memorial Mass was held at nearby Sacred Heart Church.....

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 04:25 PM
OK I am super Map Challenged now Google and Bing Map are not helping :banghead:


Which one of these is Right??


12093

Google Map!




12094


Bing Map!!!



:banghead:

Skully
10-31-2010, 04:38 PM
OK I am super Map Challenged now Google and Bing Map are not helping :banghead:


Which one of these is Right??


12093

Google Map!




12094


Bing Map!!!



:banghead:


the video showed a home with a pool, but the article said, she walked past the orange grove and past her grandmother house but never made it.

Skully
10-31-2010, 04:40 PM
There is no mention of which school she attended.
There is a Sacred Heart Preschool south (Jennifer was 12 years old)
Her Memorial Mass was held at nearby Sacred Heart Church.....

It is in one of the papers, Weightman Thomas Middle School.

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 04:51 PM
the video showed a home with a pool, but the article said, she walked past the orange grove and past her grandmother house but never made it.


OK, I see which House,

However there is a big difference in distance she would have walked.

Also as to where the Truck would have been sitting, as to how far he would follow her.

He would also then need to turn around in his truck

and I am sure this would have alarmed her if the rues was to give her a ride home.


Also in the Video the woman points as she states, "there was a blue truck sitting just beyond those orange grove."

hmmmmmm:waitasec:

DeepThinker
10-31-2010, 05:06 PM
OK I am super Map Challenged now Google and Bing Map are not helping :banghead:


Which one of these is Right??


12093

Google Map!




12094


Bing Map!!!



:banghead:

IMO, the Bing map is correct...is her house the one sitting in the middle? That would make about 200 yards...and she had to walk by the orange grove...or am I off? :waitasec:

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 05:33 PM
Deepthinker hers is the one with pool,

Not trying to be a pain :innocent: on this fact, But it is important because of:
If the Bing map is correct that her house was much farther than 200 yards more like 600 yards, and she would have had to turn and walk up that little road to her home, it changes the UNsubs character, than that of a person who could have sat on the Google map road where there is no hiding area for his truck and the road is dead ended.
Also it makes more sense that the Bing map road is correct in that the road drops 100 in elevation on Google earth so this would give the children on the bus a lower point of view to be seeing Jennifer walking and the truck following her on the higher elevated road. Also if she had to walk that farther road 600 yards, the Unsub would have had been able to use the “ride Home” rues, Because he would not have needed to turn around and alarm her, he would go straight, and maybe even sped up and taken the back road out to the Main road again.
The other road would require him to turn around and she would have been alarmed and would have been able to jump from the truck at that slow speed.
Also this tells me he new these roads very well...
See I had my reason :angel:

Skully
10-31-2010, 05:52 PM
In my theory, I suggested that he offered her a ride as a ruse but quickly made an excuse that he forgot something, and it would be just a minute to get it. If she knew him, even for a short period of time, she may have thought it was okay to just go for the ride. The only thing about this is, her sister was locked out of the house, because she had to go to gradma's to let her in. Jennifer had the key. So what did he say to keep her in that truck? Threats of a knife or gun would make her stay put.

I have so many questions about the boldness of his approach in this case.

Why wasn't he concerned that people would see the truck at 3pm and ID it? Or even get a plate number, coming or going? Maybe the tags were not to this truck and it wasn't registered.

No signs of a struggle, could be that he knew her well enough to get her into the truck or again, a gun. But he didn't shoot her or stab her. So that is why I think she knew him. Just met him, probably a good looking, older guy, like early 20's or mid 20's. There is always the possibility there were two also. It would be hard to drive a truck, come on a person and get them into the truck without screams or a fight. All of her stuff was taken with her, she didn't drop anything, or leave it behind. I picture her, getting in, tossing the bookbag, clarinet case in the back seat.

Also the truck was open in the back, so there had to be a back seat, to transport the body. It didn't have tinted windows, so people could see what was in the truck if they were in a two lane at a stop light. So he had to have covered her up, and taken back roads, remember it is FL and daylight for longer here, even in February. If he was married he had to get back home, if he was single, he could have taken her back to his place or anywhere really and no one was waiting on him to be home at any given time. Or his wife was out-of-town. These are things I think about in this case. How brazen he was.

DeepThinker
10-31-2010, 06:09 PM
IMO, she knew him, but socially. Not like they hung out together or anything, but he saw her on a regular basis. Maybe he was a clerk at a store or someplace she frequented. Older relative of one of her friends?

JMO IMO :cow:

Skully
10-31-2010, 06:10 PM
He also knows his window of opportunity, he knows no one is home or coming up that road to see him. The grandmothers house is there, he takes a huge chance she won't look out a window or come out to see Jennifer. I really think he ruse of driving her up to the house makes sense. Even if he said, hey I need to talk to you, can we just go down the road? I don't know how much time before her sister got home, so if it was a half hour or so, she may have chanced it thinking they would be back in time.

Skully
10-31-2010, 06:16 PM
Well if he worked for them, LE would have been all over him with that truck, he would have been remembered. But if he did a job nearby and he chatted with her, or she met him someplace like with friends, she may have felt safe to get into the truck for a ride.

Wow, look at my post number, 3333 I guess I spend a lot of time here....

DeepThinker
10-31-2010, 06:22 PM
Sorry if I'm throwing random thoughts out...that's how they're coming to me :innocent:

My thoughts on where the truck was...IMO, he could have been parked on Jim Denney Road facing west - that would allow him to see her coming, but it is in direct contrast to eyewitness reports.

The other thought I have is what if the truck was behind the school bus? He would have seen her get off the bus, walk east, he could have easily turned the courner and started following her. The kids in the bus (especially in the back) could have easily seen this.

Again, JMO IMO :cow:

Skully
10-31-2010, 06:23 PM
Deepthinker hers is the one with pool,

Not trying to be a pain :innocent: on this fact, But it is important because of:
If the Bing map is correct that her house was much farther than 200 yards more like 600 yards, and she would have had to turn and walk up that little road to her home, it changes the UNsubs character, than that of a person who could have sat on the Google map road where there is no hiding area for his truck and the road is dead ended.
Also it makes more sense that the Bing map road is correct in that the road drops 100 in elevation on Google earth so this would give the children on the bus a lower point of view to be seeing Jennifer walking and the truck following her on the higher elevated road. Also if she had to walk that farther road 600 yards, the Unsub would have had been able to use the “ride Home” rues, Because he would not have needed to turn around and alarm her, he would go straight, and maybe even sped up and taken the back road out to the Main road again.
The other road would require him to turn around and she would have been alarmed and would have been able to jump from the truck at that slow speed.
Also this tells me he new these roads very well...
See I had my reason :angel:

I vote Google map. If you look at the video standing at the house with the pool, you see the curve to the road from left to right and wind down the road.

Skully
10-31-2010, 06:27 PM
No, I do the same thing, I also thought about him being behind the bus and turning onto the road behind her. It would explain why no one noticed the plate number. By the time the bus moves up the road, the truck turns onto JD road, they can't see the plate, just that his is heading up behind her.



Sorry if I'm throwing random thoughts out...that's how they're coming to me :innocent:

My thoughts on where the truck was...IMO, he could have been parked on Jim Denney Road facing west - that would allow him to see her coming, but it is in direct contrast to eyewitness reports.

The other thought I have is what if the truck was behind the school bus? He would have seen her get off the bus, walk east, he could have easily turned the courner and started following her. The kids in the bus (especially in the back) could have easily seen this.

Again, JMO IMO :cow:

CN2Souls
10-31-2010, 06:27 PM
Sorry if I'm throwing random thoughts out...that's how they're coming to me :innocent:

My thoughts on where the truck was...IMO, he could have been parked on Jim Denney Road facing west - that would allow him to see her coming, but it is in direct contrast to eyewitness reports.

The other thought I have is what if the truck was behind the school bus? He would have seen her get off the bus, walk east, he could have easily turned the corner and started following her. The kids in the bus (especially in the back) could have easily seen this.

Again, JMO IMO :cow:


I vote Google map. If you look at the video standing at the house with the pool, you see the curve to the road from left to right and wind down the road.


Yes, I see him Following the bus, she gets off, he turns down her road after her, (the Google Road with the much longer walk) . and then pulls up beside her, (passenger side door close to her) says_____________________ she jumps in.....(and if you look at the video, there is no house on that corner at the time she was abducted)
So no one would have seen his truck, Grand mothers home was on the little bend in the road before her house.

Skully
10-31-2010, 06:38 PM
I see it happening this way too, it makes more sense, no struggle, no items left on the ground. I also think this is why the cloths and book bag are in separate locations. He may have cleaned up where he was, and put the cloths in a dumpster or thew them out some where, but the she tossed the other items in the back of the truck, they were larger. When he got rid of the body, he could have disposed of them at the same time, but he didn't, I think he didn't see them. Later he may have stashed them in an attic or shed and in 1995 he got rid of them as CN2souls suggested, he may have moved. So the cloths could be near the crime scene, not where the body was found but another location.

Skully
10-31-2010, 06:48 PM
My sister and I are about 8yrs apart. We talked the other night about how she knew people that I never knew she hung out with. She went places I never knew. I was the same at that age. So in 1993 where did the kids go to hang out? I looked at her video and some of the pictures and she was so pretty and she was active in barefoot water skiing and had trophies. She was in sports and looked like her parents kept her and her sister busy and not hanging out on corners, like we did for fun. So this had to be a very short interaction, but one she would trust. Like you said, a friend of someone she knew, a guy she has seen around.

DeepThinker
10-31-2010, 06:53 PM
I have a question...what are the rules about linking to a blog? I have found a site that has an interesting comment, but I don't want to go against TOS...:waitasec:

becca
10-31-2010, 07:58 PM
My sister and I are about 8yrs apart. We talked the other night about how she knew people that I never knew she hung out with. She went places I never knew. I was the same at that age. So in 1993 where did the kids go to hang out? I looked at her video and some of the pictures and she was so pretty and she was active in barefoot water skiing and had trophies. She was in sports and looked like her parents kept her and her sister busy and not hanging out on corners, like we did for fun. So this had to be a very short interaction, but one she would trust. Like you said, a friend of someone she knew, a guy she has seen around.

These girls didn't hang out like kids do today. They were active in sports, band and if they went someplace it was with other kids to the movies or to the mall. But it often was just going to each other's houses.
Which leads me back to where I started years ago, this blue truck and its driver blended in to each neighborhood for easy exits. He didn't waste time when he grabbed her and I really understand how that was done. When someone calls a child over to a car or truck saying they are lost the first thing a kid does is get close enough to be grabbed. He could very well have had a piece of paper saying do you know where the xxx's live ? I have their address as ....... very easily done . Remember this is a rural area , houses are not close together and most people are not home during the day.

Beatrice
10-31-2010, 11:38 PM
One ploy of abductors is to say, "Hurry, get in my vehicle. Your (mother) was in an accident & I'm here to take you to the hospital..."

becca
11-01-2010, 08:57 AM
One ploy of abductors is to say, "Hurry, get in my vehicle. Your (mother) was in an accident & I'm here to take you to the hospital..."

I have never believed he used the parents as a ruse to get her in the truck. After all her grandmother lives right there , if there was a problem with a member of the family she would have met her at the bus stop. I think he asked if she knew someone or where someone lived.

Skully
11-01-2010, 10:02 AM
Still thinking out loud....

Okay, she gets off the bus, the truck was sitting off to the side of the road and she doesn't run up to it, so she doesn't recognize it, he follows her, pulls up beside her. If he is on the driver's side, closest to him, and he is asking for directions, the door swings out, meaning if he goes to exit the truck, she is now closest to the hood of the cab. Why doesn't she run, drop everything and take off to Grandma's house screaming....? Trucks are higher than cars too, so she would have to get close enough for him to grab her, would you do that at age 12? Stranger Danger, she is 12 she has to know not to get too close to the truck. Just throwing stuff out there to see how he got her and all her stuff into a strange truck, a man she doesn't know and no fight or screams in broad daylight. If you are fighting, you have to drop the case or the book bag, your purse. The only way I see her getting into that truck under these circumstances is if he had a gun. She was into sports, water skiing, archery ; I think she was strong enough that she put up a fight and left some marks on him. JMO

DeepThinker
11-01-2010, 10:17 AM
Still thinking out loud....

Okay, she gets off the bus, the truck was sitting off to the side of the road and she doesn't run up to it, so she doesn't recognize it, he follows her, pulls up beside her. If he is on the driver's side, closest to him, and he is asking for directions, the door swings out, meaning if he goes to exit the truck, she is now closest to the hood of the cab. Why doesn't she run, drop everything and take off to Grandma's house screaming....? Trucks are higher than cars too, so she would have to get close enough for him to grab her, would you do that at age 12? Stranger Danger, she is 12 she has to know not to get too close to the truck. Just throwing stuff out there to see how he got her and all her stuff into a strange truck, a man she doesn't know and no fight or screams in broad daylight. If you are fighting, you have to drop the case or the book bag, your purse. The only way I see her getting into that truck under these circumstances is if he had a gun. She was into sports, water skiing, archery ; I think she was strong enough that she put up a fight and left some marks on him. JMO

You know, I was thinking along these same lines. She was athletic, so she was probably pretty strong for her size and age. I would think she would have left marks if she put up a struggle. Remember, though, back then people were a LOT more trusting. Especially in rural areas. Everybody knew everybody. That's why I don't understand why no one recognized the truck....it was either a truck that somebody dismissed as (oh, it couldn't be HIM), or it wasn't local. Maybe it was borrowed? :waitasec: Just thinking out loud again...

I am not from that area, have never been to that area, so maybe things were different there. I remember when I was in elementary school...we lived just down the street from the school and my grandmother could stand and watch me walk home. Back then, that was enough. Nothing could happen when they were watching, right? Unfortunately, that's not true anymore. People are after our kids.

Skully
11-01-2010, 10:26 AM
I just thought of something that happened to a young girl in our neighborhood.

She was walking home from a store we used to all hang out at. The road we walked on was a busy road, no sidewalks, and the berm was narrow. It was dusk, and she was walking with traffic, so she couldn't see what was coming up behind her. This truck was coming up, fast, and too close to her and the side mirror hit her as he passed. It nearly killed her, and her injuries were horrific.

What if, something similar happened to Jennifer? He is behind her and he "taps" her with that side mirror, just enough to push her off balance, not real hard, but she falls. Now he exits the cab, goes around to the passenger side to help her, (sheep in wolves clothing). He acts upset, "please let me drive you up to your house or your grandmothers" "I am so sorry, are you okay?" "I have to tell your parents I hit you, it's the law, OMG, I am so sorry". She gets in. This would explain, no struggle, how all her stuff is in the truck, maybe some tossed in the back seat. He has her in the truck, maybe he renders her unconscious and drives off. The bad part of this, he is a total stranger, and to connect him to her, or that place is near impossible. :furious:

myzzy
11-01-2010, 11:42 AM
Jennifer had also appeared on florida's playing cards to try and round up more leads

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getfile/38fa481a-eb71-4d0e-8959-cd8a98c3064d/Q-D_Odom-jpg.aspx

becca
11-01-2010, 12:56 PM
I just got off the phone with a detective in Pasco County. The entire case was given to Hernando because no one knows where she was killed. Even though the kidnapping happened in Pasco there is "no proof that she was killed in Pasco County." There is no proof that she was even killed in Hernando County, but because she was found there the assumption has been made. Nelson has retired and no one knows who the new detective is. I will have to ask another friend that works there if he knows. Might take a day or two for that. I'm working on getting as much detail as I can .

Skully
11-01-2010, 02:08 PM
I just got off the phone with a detective in Pasco County. The entire case was given to Hernando because no one knows where she was killed. Even though the kidnapping happened in Pasco there is "no proof that she was killed in Pasco County." There is no proof that she was even killed in Hernando County, but because she was found there the assumption has been made. Nelson has retired and no one knows who the new detective is. I will have to ask another friend that works there if he knows. Might take a day or two for that. I'm working on getting as much detail as I can .

Post 56 has a link to the new task force and Dect Boylan is on the case. It aired Oct 28, image that!

Beatrice
11-01-2010, 02:42 PM
http://video.tbo.com/m/34922790/odom-investigation-continues.htm

Thanks, Bern!

Yes, there is on-going/renewed interest in this 17 year old case!

Beatrice
11-01-2010, 03:09 PM
Renewed interest in the case began here at WS Cold Cases in early October 2010...
Media aired the renewed interest video in late October 2010...Yes, "Imagine that!"

Who are these "couples searching for scrap metal" in very rural areas?

Respectfully Snipped:


On Thursday, February 25, 1993, a man and a woman searching an abandoned orange grove in southeast Hernando County, FL, found Jennifer.
(Spring Lake, FL)
Jennifer was nude, left wearing only two rings and a gold necklace with two charms. Jennifer's clothes, including the red sweater and Hooters jacket, have not been found. According to the Hernando County Sheriff's Office, Jennifer was killed, probably shortly after she was kidnapped, from a blow to the head.

Approximately two years later on Thursday, January 5, 1995, a couple hunting for scrap metal in a rural area of Hernando County discovered Jennifer's missing bookbag and clarinet case. The bag and case were found in heavy brush near a dirt road 12 miles west of the area where Jennifer's body was located in 1993 (Powell Rd and 41?)
and approximately 20 miles from her home in Pasco County.

Suspect vehicle is a mid to full size, older model pick-up truck, medium to dark blue (faded) in color, with pipes and/or ladders in back, rectangular side mirrors, trailer hitch with wires hanging, and silver bumber in back (not chrome).

I'm confused...What was found behind Oak Hill Hospital, Brooksville?
Her purse? Her clothes? Is this quote incorrect?

Skully
11-01-2010, 03:31 PM
The rural Hernando area that they refer to is behind Oak Hill Hospital. That is where the couple were searching a (unofficial dump site) to find scrap metal and they came across the case and bookbag. Her cloths and purse and boots have never been found. I know it is confusing when they don't describe areas in the same verbiage.

becca
11-01-2010, 03:39 PM
Renewed interest in the case began here at WS Cold Cases in early October 2010...
Media aired the renewed interest video in late October 2010...Yes, "Imagine that!"

Who are these "couples searching for scrap metal" in very rural areas?

Respectfully Snipped:



I'm confused...What was found behind Oak Hill Hospital, Brooksville?
Her purse? Her clothes? Is this quote incorrect?

Powell Rd and 41 is considered Spring Lake, where Oak Hill is is considered Spring Hill or Brooksville. Two very different areas.
Her bookbag and clarinet case were found by Oak Hill.

Beatrice
11-01-2010, 05:28 PM
JULY 14, 1995: The FBI finds a fingerprint inside Jennifer's book bag. Authorities later say the fingerprint does not belong to Jennifer, her family or the couple who discovered the bag. They find no matches with fingerprints in state and federal criminal databases.

I see I'm getting things confused...sorry!

Fingerprint found in book bag...knap sack?
Clothes, purse...not found..yet.

And this is what the eyewitness from Zephyrhills (video) describes.
White jacket, muti-colored leather purse. :waitasec:

Astrella613
11-02-2010, 05:44 PM
the video showed a home with a pool, but the article said, she walked past the orange grove and past her grandmother house but never made it.

Where was her grandmother's house? On that same road or where the bus left her off? And did her grandmother or someone see her walk past gm house?

Sleuthster
11-02-2010, 07:15 PM
Some other cases with simular MO's

Angie Housman
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34918&highlight=housman

Brittany Locklear
http://hubpages.com/hub/Brittany-Locklear

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38285&highlight=locklear

Brittany's case is very eerily simular, found naked and truck seen at bus stop which was said to be blue at first.

Sleuthster
11-02-2010, 07:17 PM
I have been following the idea that this was someone she knew but I'm not sure anymore. I cannot find any local cases simular to this one and this perp IMO would not have stopped with one killing. Also, if the fingerprint is his then he has not been caught either so he may still be out there.

Skully
11-02-2010, 09:28 PM
I am assuming they have DNA in Jennifer's case, but I remember reading that it rained all day Monday and lots of evidence was washed away. They have the one print but unless it is the killers and they run the print they are not going to get a hit, if he hasn't been arrested. I agree they don't stop. So maybe he is dead, or he just hasn't gotten caught and that is why they can't match anything to him. He could have moved out of the country too. There is the chance someone else picked up the book bag when it was in the dump and just put it back, not realizing it was her's . Then along come another couple and they do realize it is evidence in her case and find the case too. There is that possibility that it is not the killers print. So unless they have DNA even if he offends again, they can't cross match it. If someone like Joseph Smith comes along and the MO is similar they check it out. I guess he ruled out or we would have heard by now. I started out thinking it had to be someone she knew, but now I realize that it could have been a total stranger, he could have used a ruse to get her into that truck, by hitting her with it, just hard enough to make her fall and then tell her he was going to run her up to the house or her grandma. That would work. She was a smart girl and she wouldn't fall for some lame tactic to get her into the truck.

CN2Souls
11-03-2010, 07:12 AM
Someone had asked how LE knows that Jennifer made it past her Grandmother’s house, Did we ever get an answer on that??

Skully
11-03-2010, 11:20 AM
I read through the articles again, but it doesn't say she past her Grandma's house that day. Normally she does, but that day, no one knows how far she made it up that road. My guess, she didn't get far, this was a fast kidnapping.

IWannaKnow
11-03-2010, 11:23 AM
Hello all,
I read Jennifer's whole thread yesterday and tried to get up to speed with her case. Thank you Bern for taking an interest in her and bringing her case back to life here. I was very excited to see that a video was just released. What is the feeling about Mr. JM from Zephyrhills? He says LE has had no interest in his story, but he sounded compelling to me and nothing has really broken in 17 years.....what could be the harm? Do you think the TV station filmed him just for giggles/ratings or do you think they wanted to get his story out? So, I guess I'm saying has anyone considered digging in to the theory that he could have seen her in Zephyrhills that night? I'm new to Jennifer and do not want to cause waves but would like to be helpful somewhere, rather than just debating opinions with people in the main forum. :angel:

I posted the RSO pages for Zephyrhills in the visions thread in the JR, hoping that some of you who have had visions might go peruse the pictures and see if anyone rings any bells with you.....

Hoping we can find some justice for Jennifer.

Skully
11-03-2010, 03:43 PM
I don't know a lot about the CODIS database, except that it was started in 1990 and it wasn't until 1998 that all the sex offenders were being put into it as they were arrested or charged. My question is, in 1993 could a convicted SO be able to have missed the system, meaning is there a chance, if he didn't get caught again after 1993 his DNA may not be in the system? Like a mistake, but it hasn't been caught?

Sleuthster
11-03-2010, 03:56 PM
I don't know a lot about the CODIS database, except that it was started in 1990 and it wasn't until 1998 that all the sex offenders were being put into it as they were arrested or charged. My question is, in 1993 could a convicted SO be able to have missed the system, meaning is there a chance, if he didn't get caught again after 1993 his DNA may not be in the system? Like a mistake, but it hasn't been caught?

Yes, I could see that there where SO's not put into it before 1998. It's only been recently that they have started puting anyone that is arrested for a felony charge's dna in the system. I dont think they have dna though on this case. they did however find a fingerprint and it should have been registered with ncic's database, if it is the perps finger print. I am concerned that it was preserved in the bookbag for some time and could be from other students at school the day she disappeared or even someone else that came across the bookbag (or even possibly discarded the bookbag to protect the killer).

:+:MrTT:+:
11-03-2010, 08:56 PM
...

From watching the video.

I would speculate perhaps she got no more then a quarter of the way of her walk home after getting off the bus.

She was taking from there, and taken to the spot she was found.

The vehicle used may have been stolen from another county, state.
It may have been used just for this crime, and within a short time, was dis-guarded/returned somewhere.

If he used his personal vehicle it could have been/he could have been identified.


...

I believe he had seen her somewhere, and was watching her in his own vehicle so not to draw attention to himself. But on the day of the crime had another vehicle that others would notice perhaps, but not be able to identify the driver, which has been proven already by the witnesses reports.

The place he took her too, was pre selected and not chosen at random i believe. And being on a Friday, he may not had to work that Saturday and Sunday. Or asked to have one or the other off.

Someone perhaps , whom had a job around the area she was found.
A type of worker, that would have known about that area.


THE ABOVE ALL MOO AND SPECULATION ON MY PART. NOTHING POSTED AS FACT UNLESS OTHERWISE KNOWN TO BE.

Beatrice
11-03-2010, 11:19 PM
Bern knows the name of Jennifer's school...
It is south in Wesley Chapel. Near the Zephyrhills witness. (10 miles)
Both locations are off of SR 54.

Jennifer Odom could have been stalked from her school, the school busstop, or the bus was followed to Dade City by this predator/murderer. I wonder if Jennifer was the first off in that area. Her two friends got off the bus after Jennifer. Bus would be going from east to west.

The fastest way to go back south would be Rt. 301...10 miles distance from Dade City & Zephyhills. Directly connected. The Zephyrhills witness is right by SR 54 and 301. :waitasec:

IWannaKnow
11-04-2010, 09:39 AM
The video showed the intersection of two streets, 4th Ave and 4th St. in Zephyrhills. Mr. JM lives on 8th, and if you study the map, you will see that to cross the hwy, you have to go over 3rd st, and he stated that he saw her while going to work, so all that seems to fit my very gullible brain (if he worked swing shift, or night shift). They showed a house in the video, and he stated the truck drove down an alleyway......what do you think the chances are of figuring out which house that is and who owned it in '93? I know he said the cops already looked at it but what else is there to work with really? And as Beatrice pointed out in the previous post, it all lines up....

Sleuthster
11-04-2010, 10:16 AM
On mapquest there is a park at 4th ave and 4th st on one side. So there wouldnt be alot of homes to look at but Pasco Property appraisor is online. It may not be the same owner now however.

Skully
11-04-2010, 11:53 AM
On mapquest there is a park at 4th ave and 4th st on one side. So there wouldnt be alot of homes to look at but Pasco Property appraisor is online. It may not be the same owner now however.

The Property appraiser will list everyone who ever owned the home and what date it is sold. So you could figure it I guess. I just haven't looked into this yet, only because I don't see how JM saw into the truck to see her purse on the seat. I can understand the sweater but I know from experience that memories are volatile and suggestive. I also don't know why the killer would double back if he was from Zephyrhills.

IWannaKnow
11-04-2010, 12:28 PM
The Property appraiser will list everyone who ever owned the home and what date it is sold. So you could figure it I guess. I just haven't looked into this yet, only because I don't see how JM saw into the truck to see her purse on the seat. I can understand the sweater but I know from experience that memories are volatile and suggestive. I also don't know why the killer would double back if he was from Zephyrhills.

But, I thought I heard him say that he saw a bookbag on the seat. He says he saw "On my way to work, back in February 19, 1993, I saw this pickup truck coming into Zephyrhills from the west....to her right, on the seat was a multi-color bag, I believe it was leather patchwork but I'm not sure, against the door was a white jacket" and "he came down the alleyway, uh, and pulled into there" (pointing to left of alley). I listened to that several times to make sure that is exactly what he said, and it is. So, he doesn't directly say book bag, only patchwork leather. If he means her purse, I don't see how he could see that from the street either. If he means her bookbag, that I could see leaned against the door with her white sweatshirt draped over it.

As to why double back to Zephyrhills, what if they accquired Jennifer for someone who lived in Zephyrhills or that was where they killed her? You generally wouldn't dispose of the body right next to the crime scene....unless you are Casey Anthony. :angel:

CN2Souls
11-04-2010, 12:53 PM
But, I thought I heard him say that he saw a book-bag on the seat. He says he saw "On my way to work, back in February 19, 1993, I saw this pickup truck coming into Zephyr hills from the west....to her right, on the seat was a multi-color bag, I believe it was leather patchwork but I'm not sure, against the door was a white jacket" and "he came down the alleyway, uh, and pulled into there" (pointing to left of alley). I listened to that several times to make sure that is exactly what he said, and it is. So, he doesn't directly say book bag, only patchwork leather. If he means her purse, I don't see how he could see that from the street either. If he means her book-bag, that I could see leaned against the door with her white sweatshirt draped over it.

As to why double back to Zephyr hills, what if they acquired Jennifer for someone who lived in Zephyr hills or that was where they killed her? You generally wouldn't dispose of the body right next to the crime scene....unless you are Casey Anthony. :angel:


Respectfully bolded by me...

I wonder about the description of the book-bag / backpack??

Because her Book-bag/backpack was 93% turquoise and the bottom golden leather with a 1 1/2 inch wide small band of multi color ribbon and from one moving into another moving vehicle to see what he said....
Hmmmmmm:waitasec:

IWannaKnow
11-04-2010, 02:40 PM
Respectfully bolded by me...

I wonder about the description of the book-bag / backpack??

Because her Book-bag/backpack was 93% turquoise and the bottom golden leather with a 1 1/2 inch wide small band of multi color ribbon and from one moving into another moving vehicle to see what he said....
Hmmmmmm:waitasec:

I thought the same thing CN2Souls. Either one could be considered "patchwork", especially by an older man not familiar with young girls clothing. I don't see how he could see her purse, but the bookbag - yeah, I could see that. I sure would like to know where he worked.....was he walking to work or driving? Did he see Jennifer when he was standing on the sidewalk or was he in a vehicle (which would make it even more improbable that he saw her.....he would be driving and Jennifer would be on the other side of the other vehicle :waitasec:)? He would have a good view of the driver, but not Jennifer IMO. Nor her bookbag/purse/whatever on the other side of her....

They left alot out of that video.

IWannaKnow
11-04-2010, 02:56 PM
Is that a Jansport bag? That is what I think that tag is.

CN2Souls
11-04-2010, 03:11 PM
Is that a Jansport bag? That is what I think that tag is.


You are 100% correct on this, reason I know is, back around that time I had the same bag, and when I saw it I went to my attic to look and see if it was still there (yes I hoard a little):blushing: and it wasn't there, but I have picture of me with it on my shoulder, (I use backpacks as purses sometimes)

Skully
11-05-2010, 07:12 PM
I think JM thought the purse was patchwork but I could be mistaken...none of these items were ever found.

myzzy
11-07-2010, 11:51 AM
trying to find old news articles of Jennifer Odom in 1993 is proving to be very tough but i ran across a rootweb site that seem to have several of them.

It gives the correct loctions where she got off bus and was found.

near the stop at Jim Denney and Jessamine roads in the rural East Pasco community

and her remains


The body was discovered Thursday morning on a horse-riding trail among groves of orange and pine trees near Spring Lake in Hernando County, about 10 miles from where she disappeared about 3 p.m. Friday


the inital report of her missing, the parents going public, the remains being found, the funeral

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=barthle&id=I02872


DEPUTIES SEARCH FOR GIRL Series: TIMES DIGEST
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Feb 20, 1993;

Pasco County deputies were searching Friday night for a 12-year-old girl who didn't come home from school. Jennifer Renee Odom, of Jim Denny Road in the St. Joseph area of East Pasco, got off the school bus with friends about 3 p.m. at Jessamine Road, said sheriff's spokesman Jon Powers.




`I JUST WANT JENNY HOME'
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Feb 25, 1993; SALLY HICKS;RICK GERSHMAN;

Full Text:
Copyright Times Publishing Co. Feb 25, 1993

Two weeks before she disappeared without a trace from her bus stop, Jennifer Renee Odom had a long talk with her mom about strangers.

If someone bothers you, drop your books, drop your clarinet and run, Renee Converse recalled telling her 12-year-old daughter. That's one thing that sticks in Mrs. Converse's mind about Jennifer's vanishing: "There aren't any books."




MISSING GIRL FOUND DEAD IN HERNANDO COUNTY
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Feb 26, 1993; Sally Hicks; Wes Platt; Larry Dougherty; Nancy Weil;

In the days after Jennifer Renee Odom disappeared, her parents kept looking out their front window, hoping to see the 12-year-old walking home down Jim Denney Road.




JENNIFER DIED OF HEAD WOUND
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Feb 27, 1993; Chuch Murphy; Victoria White; Bill Stevens; Sally Hicks; Wes Platt; Robert Rogers;

Jennifer Odom's body lay for an extended period of time in the stand of pine trees where she was found Thursday, and she died of a head wound, sheriff's officials said Friday.






OBITUARIES Series: OBITUARIES
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Mar 4, 1993;

ODOM, JENNIFER RENEE, 12, of St. Joseph, died in February 1993. She was a lifelong resident of St. Joseph. She was a student at Thomas E. Weightman Middle School and a member of Sacred Heart Catholic Church, the Future Farmers of America and the American Waterskiers Association.




JENNIFER'S LIFE TREASURES WILL GO WITH HER
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Mar 5, 1993; Sally Hicks

Jennifer Renee Odom's aunt and grandmother approached a table beside the slain girl's casket and placed a basket on it, a last gift to the girl whose life will never reach beyond the seventh grade.

On one side, the table held the treasures and trinkets from Jennifer's life: a "best friend" charm on a gold chain, a doll in a lace-trimmed dress, a troll with orange hair, a pair of earrings in the shape of bare feet, a satin jacket from Weightman Middle School and the basket with her name painted in blue.




HUNDREDS OF MOURNERS GATHER TO SAY, `OH, JENNY, GOODBYE'
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Mar 6, 1993; Sally Hicks;

It was a day of clear, cool sunshine that dappled orange groves and glinted on cattle ponds. It was a day when a 12-year-old girl should have been sitting in class, waiting to get outside, looking forward to the weekend, laughing with friends.

It was the day to bury Jennifer Renee Odom.

Astrella613
11-07-2010, 04:28 PM
Quote, St. Petersburg Times:

Two weeks before she disappeared without a trace from her bus stop, Jennifer Renee Odom had a long talk with her mom about strangers.



I wonder what prompted this talk. Could have someone been watching her or was it just a routine talk?

Skully
11-07-2010, 06:01 PM
I JUST WANT JENNY HOME'
St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg; Feb 25, 1993; SALLY HICKS;RICK GERSHMAN;

Full Text:
Copyright Times Publishing Co. Feb 25, 1993

Two weeks before she disappeared without a trace from her bus stop, Jennifer Renee Odom had a long talk with her mom about strangers.

If someone bothers you, drop your books, drop your clarinet and run, Renee Converse recalled telling her 12-year-old daughter. That's one thing that sticks in Mrs. Converse's mind about Jennifer's vanishing: "There aren't any books."

bbm

This is why I think he tricked her or hit her with the truck to get her to get in by herself and toss everything in the truck with her. Him accidentally hitting her would make sense, because he had a good excuse to tell her she needed to get in and he would take her up to the house for help or to make sure she was okay. Joseph Smith used a ploy to get Carla Brucha into that car that day in the parking lot. I think this guy did the same thing.

Thanks for posting these article and statements.

Until two or three weeks ago, two neighbor children got off at the same time as Jennifer. But the family recently moved away, and each girl had to walk home alone. Mrs. Converse and her husband, who works at the Pasco County garbage incinerator, both were at work, but the children were instructed to call Mrs. Converse so she knew they arrived safely.

BBM

This stills points to someone knowing his time frame of opportunity. He knew she was getting off that bus by herself and waited, knowing her sister comes home later and both parents worked. So he may have been sitting there in another car prior to this day watching, or he knew the other girls moved away. The article also states the kids stated they saw a blue pickup truck or a flatbed truck. We also have some saying there were pipes and a ladder in the back. They mention in the article that there were trucks around because of the workers in the groves in the area. Was this guy a worker in the groves? The ladder for picking fruit, or the pipes for irrigation of the groves?

Either she knew him, well enough to get into a truck for a ride up to the house, or he did something to get her into the truck without a fight or screams, like an accident of bumping her with the truck.

IWannaKnow
11-09-2010, 10:38 AM
I originally put this in the PL thread, but felt it belongs here so I moved it. It relates to where Jennifer's body was found and a post stating it was found at a grove in Brooksville.

I think from studying the video of 10/28 that they found her body a good distance south of Boyett's Grove. And this location is supported by a news article which stated she was about 1/4 mile south of Powell Rd. Boyette's Grove is north of Powell Rd.

Between Mountain Lake Rd and Appalachian Dr. you will see two trails fading off into the woods, running west - reference point.

I believe this place is where her body was found, but I could be wrong. I have been before. I don't understand the horse trail part though. I do not see any obvious horse ranches around, but this trail does seem to run right into a house. Dunno if it was there in 1993, but who would want to build their home where a crime victim was found? :waitasec: The video didn't show any real buildings around the area, but they gave such a small view it is hard to tell.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=3302+co+rd+541,+brooksville+fl&sll=28.484478,-82.302918&sspn=0.008902,0.023088&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=3302+County+Road+541,+Brooksville,+Hernando, +Florida+34602&ll=28.484573,-82.302918&spn=0,0.046177&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.48447,-82.302915&panoid=lRNMb3L9sDoTjxKf-8rrCw&cbp=12,24.71,,0,2.92

At least this spot, IMO, matches where they showed the sheriffs vehicles parked by the side of the road in the video....There is approx 1 to 1 1/2 miles between this spot and Boyettes. Someone please let me know if I am wrong. Thanks.

ETA: Here is the video, for ease of comparison. The shot is at 1:07.
http://video.tbo.com/m/34922790/odom-investigation-continues.htm

This is a real estate listing for the other side of Appalachian Dr. You can see the back side of the grove where Jennifer was found. Note the house was built in 2004, so I'm assuming that entire subdivision was not there in '93, but I do not know that for sure. I could be only this house.

http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/3462-Appalachian-Dr_Brooksville_FL_34602_32fa0504?source=web

The oldest property I found was built in 1997, four years after Jennifer was killed.

IWannaKnow
11-09-2010, 11:23 AM
I also want to bring this out of the articles found by myzzy (huge THANK YOU for those!):


Late Friday, deputies in Citrus County were investigating a report from C**** T*****, who was sitting in her mobile home near the Withlacoochee Forest, that a man in a blue pickup had slowly driven past her house and tried to entice her 2 1/2-year-old daughter to him. As soon as I opened the door, he was gone.

The woman told deputies the incident happened about 2 p.m., but she did not call deputies until a neighbor convinced her an hour later that the truck and the man might be related to Jennifer's case. The truck had a Pasco license tag with 71V as its last three digits.

Tucker said the driver was a white man in his late 20s or early 30s with slick black hair, sideburns that curled toward his cheeks and a long silver earring.

This whole thing is confusing to me. Was it the Friday Jennifer disappeared? If so, they didn't even know she was gone at 3:00, I don't think she had even gotten off the bus at that point. So how would CT's neighbor have known? This must have been the following week....yes? I don't know if a perp would abduct a girl, kill and dispose of her almost immediately, then try again the next week, get interrupted and just say "ok, that was enough, I can quit now"....that is not my understanding of how these killers work. Unless Jennifer was specifically being targeted by someone she knew. Which could explain why she got into the truck with out dropping her books and clarinet and running as her mother instructed her to do. The fact that all her things have been found, except the bookbag and purse and those were specifically not found on Jim Denney or Jessimine Rd, points to a person Jennifer knew and trusted IMHO. If she were abducted against her will, I think she would have followed everyones advice and dropped her things, which should have been found by searchers on her road, not in dump sites several miles away. Hope that made sense. :crazy:

Skully
11-11-2010, 02:04 PM
I had an idea that would help with remembering things in cold cases. I thought about a gathering, a celebration of that person's life on the anniversary of the day they went missing. I believe things don't take place in a vacumn, someone saw something, or told somebody something, but it is out there, like the stars, just beyond our reach; looking at us every night.

At this gathering, it would be casual, with food, much from the day or year of date they went missing. I would invite all the people closest to her/him, from school, or on the bus, or work, or neighbors, even if they moved, invite them to celebrate her life. I would have people who helped to look them them. You get the idea. All around this room with food and drinks and music and friends and family are pictures of the victim. The pictures show what they did in life, soccer, tennis, biking, anything that would have a story behind it. Lastly a tape recorder on a table and pen and journal book.

I would then ask my guests if any of them have a memory of these things to please tell the story you love the best about this person or event, or write it down in the journal book at the table for the victims family.

I think that someone may recall an event or a person that may lead to a break in a cold case. Many times someone will say something and it will trigger another memory. So if you are sitting around just thinking of the day the person went missing, like giving a statement, you may not think of something important that happened a month before. But if you are in a relaxed atmosphere, with friends talking about trips or camping or dances, anything you all did together, something may just pop into you head and it could be that one thing. If not, you gave the victims family a chance to know about wonderful stories you may never have heard about or funny things they did or said. I would want people to remember me by more than my death. I looked at her photos and read the articles about her and she was amazing. No way at that age would I have accomplished what she did at 12. Still haven't.

:+:MrTT:+:
11-14-2010, 04:08 PM
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Still looking for the unsolved mysteries episode for this case.

Anyone having it on DVD, or have a link to it please post.

thanks in advance

Skully
11-16-2010, 06:49 PM
I just got a E-alert from LE that they are looking for a car that hit a person on a bike with the side view mirror. They passed the guy and hit him again with the mirror, I guess they turned around and came back. It made me think that Jennifer could have been hit with a extended side view mirror with that truck. I didn't know if my theory was plausible or not, just based on the one incident I knew about.

Skully
11-18-2010, 09:33 AM
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Still looking for the unsolved mysteries episode for this case.

Anyone having it on DVD, or have a link to it please post.

thanks in advance


Okay I found the CD and you have to buy it now, it is a boxed set of Unsolved Mysteries episodes of psychics and NM is in this CD. So if you want to contact me I will give you the info or anyone else here.

Skully
11-19-2010, 09:46 AM
November is almost gone and Thanksgiving is just around the corner. The holidays are the toughest times for lots of people, but if you have a loved one missing or taken from you by murder, these days can be some of the worst. I want to take the time to remember Jennifer's family during these holidays and let them know that the people here at Websleuths really do care and want justice for Jenny and her family. I know it won't bring her back or make up for all the holidays and lost birthdays and all the things she would have done in a lifetime, but justice helps us heal. So again if anyone reads here and has even a small bit of information, no matter how small you think it is, call Hernando Sheriff's office or email them. You can be anonymous if you want to be. I know you are out there, I know you have that one piece that LE needs to give Jenny and her family justice. This February will mark the 17 year anniversary of her murder and that is way too long to keep a family waiting for answers.

Give Jenny and her family something to be thankful for this Thanksgiving. Let them be thankful that another little girl isn't in danger because a killer has been caught. Be a hero.

Beatrice
11-19-2010, 03:54 PM
Coincidence? You & I live in this area of Florida.....
I truly believe justice will come for Jennifer Odom!

It is an absolute pleasure to know you!

Skully
11-19-2010, 05:57 PM
Coincidence? You & I live in this area of Florida.....
I truly believe justice will come for Jennifer Odom!

It is an absolute pleasure to know you!

Thank you for such a nice complement. I am glad I know you too and I agree Jenny will get justice.

Skully
11-21-2010, 09:08 PM
I am reading "The Confession" By John Grisham. The serial killer in this story, is a child rapist and murder, who stalked a 16 yr old cheerleader. She never sees him, as he goes to the games, and each time he goes, he wears different cloths, different caps, and sits in a different area of the bleachers. The season ends, so he follows her to a mall one day. He waits outside a parking lot in a old-beat-up stolen truck, stolen plates until he sees her come out of a mall this day. He simply pulls up beside her car as she is getting into it, has a gun, points it at her and tells her to get in. She does. He rapes her and then strangles her with a belt. Now I know this is fiction, but John Grisham researches his story lines and he studies how killers get there victims. In this story, the killer says it was easy, once they see the gun, they don't fight, they just get in. I know we kicked around the idea that she knew this guy, but the more I think about it, it is possible to get a person to just comply. He could have threatened to wait for her sister if she didn't get in.

Anyway, once again, I still feel that there is a person out there who knows what happened and I bet you think about it a lot. I have to wonder if you remember valentines day just before she went missing? Was there something that triggered him to do this?

myzzy
11-25-2010, 04:38 PM
Got to wondering, Back in 2003, Hernando County police wanted to speak to Thomas Brown ( Eventually Spoke to the grand jury about this case ) because of his past. What has always made me go "hmm" was why him? There are thousands in florida that are registered sexual offenders and for some reason they wanted to speak to him. What made him stand out?


Even with the Sunshine law i have not been able to find any documents of the GJ meeting with him, or anything else to show why him, what was discussed ect.


Looking through the florida registery and Maines shows very little information besides the most recent conviction and sentence.

anyone else have any further information on his possible link?????

ETA - Just for refrence - http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/07/Hernando/Investigators_study_s.shtml

Skully
12-02-2010, 11:18 AM
Got to wondering, Back in 2003, Hernando County police wanted to speak to Thomas Brown ( Eventually Spoke to the grand jury about this case ) because of his past. What has always made me go "hmm" was why him? There are thousands in florida that are registered sexual offenders and for some reason they wanted to speak to him. What made him stand out?


Even with the Sunshine law i have not been able to find any documents of the GJ meeting with him, or anything else to show why him, what was discussed ect.


Looking through the florida registery and Maines shows very little information besides the most recent conviction and sentence.

anyone else have any further information on his possible link?????

ETA - Just for refrence - http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/07/Hernando/Investigators_study_s.shtml

I the only thing I remember reading was the cases were similar. There was another guy not Brown that they went to the GJ with and there wasn't enough to go to trial or arrest. I think he is dead now. It is mention in one of the links, of Mr TT's. It is a site for JO and someone has kept it up for some time now.

MomofBoys
12-06-2010, 01:00 AM
I live in Pinellas County, so about 1:15 from where Jennifer vanished. I was slightly older than she was when she disappeared and in my long history of following these kinds of cases, hers was the first one that really compelled me. I followed the story in the St, Petersburg Times avidly.

I tend to get first impressions and stick by them. In this case I always wondered if it was a friend or acquaintance of Leslie Odom. Someone who knew Jennifer would be walking home alone. Someone who wouldn't necessarily raise a big red flag with her. An older boy, perhaps, who met Jennifer while visiting the Odom home. It seemed like a fairly brazen kidnapping. I could see a scenario where Jennifer was approached by someone she knew by association. Like a "I'm going to your house to wait for _____; why don't I give you a ride?"

I don't know. I just never believed this was a typical SO murder. I'm probably wrong. I'm always looking for a way to understand the inexplicable and usually isn't possible. I'm looking at this from the perspective of a local who really isn't local. Brooksville is like an hour from here, but it might as well be 30 hours. East Pasco (and a lot of Hernando) puts a capital R in rural. I suppose it's very possible for a girl to be spotted, incapacitated, killed, and dumped without being spotted by anyone, daylight or buses or not.

Why was the clarinet separated from its case? Found so many years later? Where were the other items? Why were items scattered in different places? That's an assumption, I suppose, but since the purse, boots, and sweater remain missing even now it's known that they weren't found with the bag and case. Did Jennifer make a break for it at one point? I could see a young girl, frightened and thinking "surely I'll make it out of this" seeing an opportunity to bolt and still having those irrational concepts like "I better not leave my books or clarinet. The clarinet's expensive" or whatever. Only to be overcome again.

I could see a SO seizing the opportunity, but why not just dump everything? Was the clarinet pawned? Did he keep the purse hoping there might be a few bucks in it? I picture SOs being controlled by their deranged urges and then wanting to get rid of the evidence fast once they get their jollies and realize what they've done. A lot of SOs live in extreme guilt over their actions, but they don't have impulse control. I'm sure some can be petty thieves, too, but it doesn't seem to be a theme.

Just some disorganized thoughts. RIP Jennifer; I still think about you even today.

Skully
12-06-2010, 08:19 AM
I think about this case too, I am torn between your theory Mom of Boys and one where this guy is just randomly looking for a child. I lean towards someone knowing her. Both are possible, but when you look at everything that had to be in place for him to get away with this, I think he knew her, the family routine and the area. I wonder why he has never ended up in the system with DNA connecting him to this case. Was there DNA or did the rain wash it away? Did he do this one time and never do it again? Not likely, but it would explain why he doesn't show up in the system. They were only putting offenders in the system as early as 1998 IIRC. But I know they kept any evidence and the databases were updated with old evidence that was collected before that time. One article says they sent DNA to the FBI back in 2003, so he either wasn't in the system or there wasn't enough to get a hit.

Sometimes an offender just sees an opportunity, he isn't setting it up so to speak or tracking his victim. Sometimes it is someone that lives near by and they move and they aren't on the radar. So I hope that when Hernando goes back over this case, they get that one piece of information that gives them that "light bulb moment"!

I think of the family and send a little prayer each day for LE to solve this for them and Jenny. :angel:

Beatrice
12-06-2010, 08:45 AM
Mom of Boys: I lived in Pinellas county 17 years ago & now Pasco...
I knew very little of Jennifer Odom's case until just recently when Bern & others "resurrected" her thread here...
I think answers may be coming soon~

ladygator
12-08-2010, 10:15 AM
What a surprise to see Jennifer's case highlighted here in the cold case forums!

I've lived in western Pasco County for a very long time. Jennifer's case has had a long lasting impression on me. I've followed this case from the beginning and have never given up hope that her killer will some day be caught.

I was just thinking about Jennifer last weekend. As I read Sunday's paper edition of the St. Pete Times. There was an article from Jan Glidewell. Prior to him retiring years ago, he had a long standing promise to the parents of a murdered child. He would never let the community forget.

He spent 2 decades writing about the areas unsolved cases. The list kept growing. Jennifer's case was added. His article always appeared in the first week of December.

It's been a number of years since he wrote about Jennifer and all the other cases but I always remember, at this time of the year. Thanks to him.

I recall reading, oh, a couple of years ago, that St. Leo University criminal justice students were helping LE with this, and other cold cases.

My memory is sketchy on the time frame and I have tried to find an article but cannot. There was an attempted abduction from a school bus stop, in the eastern part of New Port Richey, along HWY 52, leading out to Jennifer's area, I want to say a year or two after her murder. Witnesses described a blue truck. It's a rural area. Dirt roads and such. IIRC, it was brother and sister. Who just got home from school and they were riding their bikes. The man tried grabbing the sister.

That lead went nowhere too.

ladygator
12-08-2010, 10:35 AM
I live in Pinellas County, so about 1:15 from where Jennifer vanished. I was slightly older than she was when she disappeared and in my long history of following these kinds of cases, hers was the first one that really compelled me. I followed the story in the St, Petersburg Times avidly.

I tend to get first impressions and stick by them. In this case I always wondered if it was a friend or acquaintance of Leslie Odom. Someone who knew Jennifer would be walking home alone. Someone who wouldn't necessarily raise a big red flag with her. An older boy, perhaps, who met Jennifer while visiting the Odom home. It seemed like a fairly brazen kidnapping. I could see a scenario where Jennifer was approached by someone she knew by association. Like a "I'm going to your house to wait for _____; why don't I give you a ride?"

I don't know. I just never believed this was a typical SO murder. I'm probably wrong. I'm always looking for a way to understand the inexplicable and usually isn't possible. I'm looking at this from the perspective of a local who really isn't local. Brooksville is like an hour from here, but it might as well be 30 hours. East Pasco (and a lot of Hernando) puts a capital R in rural. I suppose it's very possible for a girl to be spotted, incapacitated, killed, and dumped without being spotted by anyone, daylight or buses or not.

Why was the clarinet separated from its case? Found so many years later? Where were the other items? Why were items scattered in different places? That's an assumption, I suppose, but since the purse, boots, and sweater remain missing even now it's known that they weren't found with the bag and case. Did Jennifer make a break for it at one point? I could see a young girl, frightened and thinking "surely I'll make it out of this" seeing an opportunity to bolt and still having those irrational concepts like "I better not leave my books or clarinet. The clarinet's expensive" or whatever. Only to be overcome again.

I could see a SO seizing the opportunity, but why not just dump everything? Was the clarinet pawned? Did he keep the purse hoping there might be a few bucks in it? I picture SOs being controlled by their deranged urges and then wanting to get rid of the evidence fast once they get their jollies and realize what they've done. A lot of SOs live in extreme guilt over their actions, but they don't have impulse control. I'm sure some can be petty thieves, too, but it doesn't seem to be a theme.

Just some disorganized thoughts. RIP Jennifer; I still think about you even today.

Remember when it was revealved that Joseph Smith put 300 miles on the car he borrowed to abduct and murder Carlie? Her stuff was never found.

This perp may have dumped the rest of Jennifer's stuff in a different area and it was never found.

Your so right about this area being very rural. So many wooded areas for dumping. Someone could have stumbled upon Jennifer's stuff already and not even known it. Especially if it was dumping area and there was a lot of other stuff with it. Not everyone pays attention to the news, let alone BOLO items and such.

I was thrilled and thought it was miracle when the couple looking for scraps found Jen's clarinet case and book bag.

Skully
12-08-2010, 10:45 AM
What a surprise to see Jennifer's case highlighted here in the cold case forums!

I've lived in western Pasco County for a very long time. Jennifer's case has had a long lasting impression on me. I've followed this case from the beginning and have never given up hope that her killer will some day be caught.

I was just thinking about Jennifer last weekend. As I read Sunday's paper edition of the St. Pete Times. There was an article from Jan Glidewell. Prior to him retiring years ago, he had a long standing promise to the parents of a murdered child. He would never let the community forget.

He spent 2 decades writing about the areas unsolved cases. The list kept growing. Jennifer's case was added. His article always appeared in the first week of December.

It's been a number of years since he wrote about Jennifer and all the other cases but I always remember, at this time of the year. Thanks to him.

I recall reading, oh, a couple of years ago, that St. Leo University criminal justice students were helping LE with this, and other cold cases.

My memory is sketchy on the time frame and I have tried to find an article but cannot. There was an attempted abduction from a school bus stop, in the eastern part of New Port Richey, along HWY 52, leading out to Jennifer's area, I want to say a year or two after her murder. Witnesses described a blue truck. It's a rural area. Dirt roads and such. IIRC, it was brother and sister. Who just got home from school and they were riding their bikes. The man tried grabbing the sister.

That lead went nowhere too.

ladygator,

great to see locals post about this case. There is so little, and I never heard of this other abduction attempt.

Here is my thoughts on the blue truck. The truck didn't belong to the kidnapper, he had it, but it wasn't registered to him. It could be an old truck that his mother or dad owned, and he had kept it running and used it for this purpose only. If it is not registered, LE, is not going to find it by a record search. If he parks it and doesn't use it, they can't stop him and ask ???. So he wasn't scared to be seen with it the day Jenny went missing. The tags wouldn't come up if anyone had remembered them. So now it is 2 years later, same thing. I wonder if LE put the word out for people to jog the memory banks of neighbors or workers that owned a parked truck if that would help? I know that is a huge long shot, but I still remember things about my neighbors from years ago.

I need to find some of the articles too.....thanks

Skully
12-08-2010, 10:53 AM
Remember when it was revealved that Joseph Smith put 300 miles on the car he borrowed to abduct and murder Carlie? Her stuff was never found.

This perp may have dumped the rest of Jennifer's stuff in a different area and it was never found.

Your so right about this area being very rural. So many wooded areas for dumping. Someone could have stumbled upon Jennifer's stuff already and not even known it. Especially if it was dumping area and there was a lot of other stuff with it. Not everyone pays attention to the news, let alone BOLO items and such.

I was thrilled and thought it was miracle when the couple looking for scraps found Jen's clarinet case and book bag.

You are so right about the perp may have driven many miles to get Jennifer, this could have been a crime of opportunity. But something tells me he knew where he was going that day. I don't have a reason, just it feels like the situation was like the perfect storm and he pulled it off or he had inside knowledge of the area, no parents home, no sister with her, the girls moved that used to walk her home, no one around the home that day or even that the grandmother may have witnessed it. But it does happen random everyday... if that is the case, they will have to catch him in another crime to get him. :(

ladygator
12-08-2010, 10:59 AM
ladygator,

great to see locals post about this case. There is so little, and I never heard of this other abduction attempt.

Here is my thoughts on the blue truck. The truck didn't belong to the kidnapper, he had it, but it wasn't registered to him. It could be an old truck that his mother or dad owned, and he had kept it running and used it for this purpose only. If it is not registered, LE, is not going to find it by a record search. If he parks it and doesn't use it, they can't stop him and ask ???. So he wasn't scared to be seen with it the day Jenny went missing. The tags wouldn't come up if anyone had remembered them. So now it is 2 years later, same thing. I wonder if LE put the word out for people to jog the memory banks of neighbors or workers that owned a parked truck if that would help? I know that is a huge long shot, but I still remember things about my neighbors from years ago.

I need to find some of the articles too.....thanks

Yep! This scenerio is very possible.

It's also important to remember how different the news was, back in 1993. It was before Baynews9 had 24 news for locals. So press releases were only seen at key news times from ABC, NBC, etc.

Skully
12-08-2010, 11:22 AM
I just did a search on Jan and Jennifer and he had a few articles that talked about similar cases. No details but a small blurb about a Spotsylvania, VA girl, 11, had reportedly been grabbed by a man driving a pickup truck with FL tags. I haven't googled it yet. But I guess it lead no where as with the New England guy. The wife said she knew he did it, but GJ didn't believe the story, so that clears that one up for me.

Skully
12-10-2010, 10:16 AM
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2001/052001/05022001/272447

I hope this link works, it is the story of a man in a pickup truck kidnapping and killing 3 girls. The article by Jan stated a blue pickup truck with FL tags, but no other details. This may be the source of that notation in his article. I will google the girls names and see if I can find out what color truck and Tags.

1997 Kati and Kristin Lisk kidnapped and murdered.

1996 Amber Hagerman also kidnapped and murdered, they believe by the same man.

Another girl got away, but once again he grabs these girls in a minute and they are pulled into the truck and gone.

Okay I think this is the same guy they looked at for Jenny's murder.....

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125152

ladygator
12-10-2010, 12:04 PM
I finally found an archive of the attempted abduction I was talking about. Along with some others that I was unaware of, at the time.

The main reason this one stuck out for me was because I had a co-worker, at that time, who's Son got on the school bus at this spot. The archive doesn't give a lot of information, unless you pay for the full article. But I could have sworn her Son also witnessed this attempted abduction. Or maybe was friends with the children who witnessed it. {It's been a long time}

I was off on the time it occured. It was on a Saturday morning. While kids were out playing. And it was only 4 months after Jennifer was murdered.

If you type Jennifer Odom into the St. Pete Time archives, I used the dates, 1993-1998, you'll find all kinds of information about other abductions, Jennifer stories that you can't find doing just a regular net search, and community support efforts to make kids safe.

The article I'm talking about, the authors name is ROGER CLENDENING II, it was published Jun 6, 1993, and the headline is -

"Pasco girl, 10, reports kidnap try"

I'll try linking the page but I don't think it works.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51674155.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jun+6%2C+1993&author=ROGER+CLENDENING+II&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&edition=&startpage=1.B&desc=Pasco+girl%2C+10%2C+reports+kidnap+try

Astrella613
12-10-2010, 12:38 PM
Your link worked for me. I wonder if they ever found that guy.

Beatrice
12-10-2010, 07:48 PM
Jennifer's new step-father was in the tree trimming business.
The children described the blue pick-up truck as possibly a tree trimming business....A hitch, a ladder, pipes......

A disgruntled employee?

ladygator
12-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Your link worked for me. I wonder if they ever found that guy.

Good, I wasn't sure it would. A lot of times search results won't work when you link them.

I don't recall hearing anything more about it, either way.

Beatrice
12-11-2010, 01:35 PM
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51674155.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Jun+6%2C+1993&author=ROGER+CLENDENING+II&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&edition=&startpage=1.B&desc=Pasco+girl%2C+10%2C+reports+kidnap+try

This sure seems like it's the same person. Both are off of State Road 52, a light blue pick-up truck....

Moon Lake Estates New Port Richey, FL

If you travel directly north of this area it takes you to the location of where Jennifer's clarinet was found....

(9:45 am on a Sunday...His true location?)

Beatrice
12-11-2010, 05:29 PM
I'm wondering if any of us here felt the need to contact Jack Mulligan the supposed eyewitness?

Glad to say, I finally wrote him a letter asking for answers to certain questions.

Hopefully, by next week answers will be coming, as I believe him.

Beatrice
12-11-2010, 07:11 PM
"Let's go back to the beginning & have no fears."

Skully
12-11-2010, 07:31 PM
This sure seems like it's the same person. Both are off of State Road 52, a light blue pick-up truck....

Moon Lake Estates New Port Richey, FL

If you travel directly north of this area it takes you to the location of where Jennifer's clarinet was found....

(9:45 am on a Sunday...His true location?)

I am not able to get the link to work, did you pay for the article?

Skully
12-11-2010, 07:50 PM
This sure seems like it's the same person. Both are off of State Road 52, a light blue pick-up truck....

Moon Lake Estates New Port Richey, FL

If you travel directly north of this area it takes you to the location of where Jennifer's clarinet was found....

(9:45 am on a Sunday...His true location?)

Did they have a database in place in 1993 to check registrations of owners back then? I know this truck probably wasn't registered but just wondering. If not, can they go back in time and do it now?

Beatrice
12-11-2010, 07:56 PM
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/...rts+kidnap+try

Beatrice
12-11-2010, 08:31 PM
(This is so creepy as it is close to my home.)

ladygator
12-11-2010, 10:04 PM
Did they have a database in place in 1993 to check registrations of owners back then? I know this truck probably wasn't registered but just wondering. If not, can they go back in time and do it now?

I'm pretty sure they did. And I tend to agree with you that the vehicle wasn't registered. That, or, it was from out of the area.

Recently, I re-newed DH's driver's license for him, on-line, and there is a new feature that shows all the vehicles he's had registered under his name in the past. I can't recall now if it was only in the past 10 years, or if it went further back.

But I'm pretty sure LE can get access to this type of information very easily.

Skully
12-12-2010, 09:16 AM
I'm pretty sure they did. And I tend to agree with you that the vehicle wasn't registered. That, or, it was from out of the area.

Recently, I re-newed DH's driver's license for him, on-line, and there is a new feature that shows all the vehicles he's had registered under his name in the past. I can't recall now if it was only in the past 10 years, or if it went further back.

But I'm pretty sure LE can get access to this type of information very easily.

BBM

Wow, that is really a great feature. So if they had a person of interest, they could look it up now and see if he ever owned a truck like this, or a family member or GIRL FRIEND........

Skully
12-12-2010, 09:27 AM
This sure seems like it's the same person. Both are off of State Road 52, a light blue pick-up truck....

Moon Lake Estates New Port Richey, FL

If you travel directly north of this area it takes you to the location of where Jennifer's clarinet was found....

(9:45 am on a Sunday...His true location?)


Okay here is part of the article, I snipped for copywright laws..... I bought the article.....

The pickup in the Odom case is thought to be a General Motors model with a step bumper, trailer hitch and tools in the back. It also had an electrical connection, normally used to connect brake lights for a trailer, hanging over the back bumper. Investigators have said for months that the pickup was light-blue but recently said it could have been medium-blue.

The vehicle in Saturday's case was a light-blue pickup with lots of rust on the body. The driver's side had rust holes in the door, a cracked windshield and a ladder rack with a ladder inside. The truck also had a loud muffler, light-blue wheel rims with rust spots, Florida license plates and a black bumper sticker with white lettering on the passenger's side.

The girl in Saturday's incident had gotten a newspaper for her family and was bicycling home near SR 52 and Moon Lake Road, Cannon said.

She suffered scrapes and bruises.

"She's a very strong child," Cannon said. "I think she'll be fine."

The girl recently participated in the Junior Deputy program at her school - a series of lectures given to fourth- and fifth-graders about law enforcement. Lessons include what to do if approached by a stranger and things to look for that will help police find suspects.

"It appears that she did learn her lesson very well," Cannon said, adding that deputies got a detailed description of the truck and driver.

A suspicious incident involving a pickup and a teenage girl was reported in east Pasco County on Friday night, but there is no evidence to tie that case to the Odom murder or the Saturday incident, Cannon said.

The man in Saturday's case was described as white, 5 feet 4 to 5 feet 8 inches, and about 180 pounds. He is stocky, with a short, brown-blond beard and wavy auburn hair. He wore a blue baseball cap pulled low over his eyes, which appeared to have dark bags under them. His hands and fingernails were dirty, two upper teeth were missing and his voice was deep and scratchy.

Deputies also are trying to find a man who frequently is seen riding his bicycle near the Circle K convenience store at SR 52 and Moon Lake Road. The girl apparently gave him a quarter to buy a newspaper just before the near-abduction.

there was also a mention of a illustration at the bottom of the article, but none was included with it.

ladygator
12-12-2010, 10:56 AM
BBM

Wow, that is really a great feature. So if they had a person of interest, they could look it up now and see if he ever owned a truck like this, or a family member or GIRL FRIEND........

I just went thru the motions to renew my license just to get to the part where it shows vehicle registration.

The system, while flawed, cause it's not showing one vehicle that I did own in the past, does show the first ever vehicle that I had. This was back in 91.

It's not very specific. Just shows the VIN, make, and year the car was made.

ladygator
12-12-2010, 11:03 AM
Beatrice, the exact location where he tried grabbing her was Key Lime Drive and Hialeah Avenue.

Beatrice
12-12-2010, 02:05 PM
Thanks! Where did you find this specific info?!

(Years ago, Moon Lake had a reputation for satanism, rituals, Santeria...)

ladygator
12-12-2010, 09:59 PM
Thanks! Where did you find this specific info?!

(Years ago, Moon Lake had a reputation for satanism, rituals, Santeria...)

As I said in an earlier post, at that time, I knew a girl who lived there.

(Oh ya, the KKK adopted Moon Lake Rd at one time. The sign kept getting stolen. I remember as a kid hearing about the witches out there, lol)

Beatrice
12-12-2010, 10:13 PM
Yeah...A spooky place!

Beatrice
12-12-2010, 10:56 PM
Both incidents are off of SR 52....And LAKES.

Beatrice
12-12-2010, 11:02 PM
How many of us believe eyewitness Jack Mulligan?

ladygator
12-13-2010, 02:05 PM
How many of us believe eyewitness Jack Mulligan?

I haven't given it much thought. But I'm a firm believer that eyewitnesses aren't always accurate.

Guess I'm on the fence.

ladygator
12-13-2010, 02:07 PM
Both incidents are off of SR 52....And LAKES.

How far is the lake from Jennifer's bus stop?

The lake, in Moonlake, is, oh, 1-2miles, to the south, of the attempted abduction site.

It's a small lake with a public boat ramp and beach. More of a spot for people who live there.

Skully
12-13-2010, 08:08 PM
How many of us believe eyewitness Jack Mulligan?

I am not sure about Jack either, only because eyewitness aren't always accurate and even when you have several they vary. He would have had to be almost up to the truck window to see a purse on a seat. Was this after he heard about it on the news or before that he had this sighting?

Beatrice
12-13-2010, 10:44 PM
I am not sure about Jack either, only because eyewitness aren't always accurate and even when you have several they vary. He would have had to be almost up to the truck window to see a purse on a seat. Was this after he heard about it on the news or before that he had this sighting?

I agree...Eyewitness accounts are the most inaccurate recollections.

That is what I asked him in my letter to him....How was it that you were so close to the truck to see items inside?

secretagent
12-13-2010, 11:58 PM
Thanks for the links Mr T. I read the 2008 article, that is the newest i have found. I sort of think there were 2 men in this case. If you are driving down a person's driveway, because that is really what it is when you live out here, so close to the home, you want to do this as quick as possible. She was 12, so she would have been hard to keep in a truck and drive. I would think he had help. He drove and the other person snatched her. Of course this is just my imagination of how someone could take a 12 yr old in broad daylight with witness very close, (school bus and kids). Any thoughts on this case???? I want to see if I can post a map of where she was taken and where she was found along with the places the items were recovered. As soon as I get the psychical address, I will post it. Wonder if we could get some others here to help us sleuth this case???? Do you think we would be allowed a Dream/Vision thread since they (Hernando SO) had one person do a reading already???? I think that is great they were so open minded to do this.

I live in Clearwater, Close to 19 and used to live up in Tarpon Springs, about 1/2 mile south of the Pasco Pinellas County Line. I would love to dig into this case.

Beatrice
12-14-2010, 12:42 AM
I lived in Palm Harbor, Tarpon Springs and now Hudson, FL (SR 52)

secretagent
12-14-2010, 08:27 AM
I lived in Palm Harbor, Tarpon Springs and now Hudson, FL (SR 52)

Lol- East lake Palm Harbor, and off Keystone east of McMullen Booth, now I am around 19/60.
I am a great researcher, but unfortunately have no car at this point to go searching around.

I am from Milwaukee, so got the Dahmer Case- Laurie Depies was taken from about 20 miles away from mt college, the week i moved into my dorm my freshman year.

That is a case near and dear to me- I wish they would find her.

CN2Souls
12-14-2010, 08:28 AM
OK, Don't yell at me :couch:

Just going to through this out there because it is bother the .... out of me....


The other night while watching the show on MSNBC "Chasing the Devil" The Gary Ridgway, AKA Green River Killer, One of the fathers of one of the

victims had said many people saw his daughter get in a truck that was blue with a silver/gray painted bumper and the truck had ladders and such in the back...

I was like :eek: WHAT?!

(later at his arrest he did own a blue truck with a painted Silver/gray bumper and it did have ladders in the back…)



Then I watched more and it said the GR had stopped his killing, right around 1993.... I thought in my head.... "what if he didn't stop , What if he just started going way from his home to other states and killed people?"

DO we know if they have DNA from Jennifer's Case??

I know I am really out there on this but had to post it because it really bothered me...

ladygator
12-14-2010, 11:28 AM
OK, Don't yell at me :couch:

Just going to through this out there because it is bother the .... out of me....


The other night while watching the show on MSNBC "Chasing the Devil" The Gary Ridgway, AKA Green River Killer, One of the fathers of one of the

victims had said many people saw his daughter get in a truck that was blue with a silver/gray painted bumper and the truck had ladders and such in the back...

I was like :eek: WHAT?!

(later at his arrest he did own a blue truck with a painted Silver/gray bumper and it did have ladders in the back…)



Then I watched more and it said the GR had stopped his killing, right around 1993.... I thought in my head.... "what if he didn't stop , What if he just started going way from his home to other states and killed people?"

DO we know if they have DNA from Jennifer's Case??

I know I am really out there on this but had to post it because it really bothered me...

I never thought of that! He did have a blue truck!!

I don't think he'd be a good suspect in Jennifer's case for a couple of reasons.

He stayed local. And targeted prostitutes.

There is no DNA in Jennifer's case. Unless LE is keeping that hush.

Skully
12-14-2010, 01:26 PM
I never thought of that! He did have a blue truck!!

I don't think he'd be a good suspect in Jennifer's case for a couple of reasons.

He stayed local. And targeted prostitutes.

There is no DNA in Jennifer's case. Unless LE is keeping that hush.

These blue pickup trucks must have been very common for that time era.

I could have sworn that one article mention that in 2003 Hernando sent all the evidence to FBI and I could have sworn they said DNA. So I need to go dig around for the article. I think it is on the dream thread for her......

Skully
12-14-2010, 01:39 PM
http://www.hernandotoday.com/news/MGB8K7D1ZJE.html

Cold case assignment: Jennifer Renee Odom
By CHRISTI STEVENS cstevens@hernandotoday.com
Published: Feb 21, 2006

BROOKSVILLE — Who knows what Jennifer Odom would be like today.

She would be 25 years old now and might have a family of her own. Maybe she would have graduated from college and started an exciting career. Perhaps she would be traveling the world.

Thirteen years ago her future seemed as bright as the sun. That was until someone snuffed out that light and left her Pasco County family with more grief than time can heal.

But on Tuesday, they publicly shared their pain when they spoke to the media about Jennifer’s murder and what life has been like knowing her killer was still out there somewhere.

The family’s statements were part of a media blitz organized by the Hernando County Sheriff’s Office with the hope of stirring new leads in the cold case.

Sunday was the 13-year anniversary of Jennifer’s death. In that time, a task force organized to find her killer has checked out more than 6,000 leads, but none led to the killer.

Jennifer was 12 when she disappeared Feb. 19, 1993, after getting off her school bus just 200 yards from her family’s home in St. Joseph near Dade City. Then on Feb. 25, 2003, her body was found by a couple strolling by a pine forest along Powell Road in Hernando County.

Almost immediately, authorities were searching for a blue pickup truck that children on the school bus saw in the area of Jennifer’s disappearance, but even those accounts were conflicting. So was every other lead.

Detectives never revealed the cause of Jennifer’s death.

Sheriff Richard Nugent started off Tuesday’s news conference and said, “Recent events have placed this investigation as a top priority for law enforcement.”

The Federal Bureau of Investigation recently joined the task force and sent people from its Behavior Analysis Unit to put some fresh eyes on an old case.

Sheriff’s Capt. Mike Maurer, who is in charge of the major crimes unit, did most of the talking at Tuesday’s news conference. He showed a short video full of photos from Jennifer’s short life.

He said the task force has a renewed intensity thanks to the FBI, which helped local authorities narrow down a list of suspects and come up with a profile for the killer.

“We have focused our investigation on a smaller group of persons of interest,” Maurer said. Physical evidence collected in the case has been sent to the FBI to be tested again because of all the recent advancements in forensic science.

Maurer said the task force is hoping someone with information about Jennifer’s killer will come forward, particularly now that so much time has passed.

“She was a young girl that was tragically murdered and she shouldn’t have been a victim at all,” he said. “And somebody knows something.”

Dressed in a smart business suit, Jennifer’s mother, Reneé Converse, walked to the podium at the sheriff’s office Tuesday and took a deep breath. As soon as she began to speak, her voice cracked and she started to fight back tears.

“Nothing will bring her back, but anything we can do to bring us closer to a resolution would be wonderful,” she said.

Clark Converse, Jennifer’s stepfather, joined his wife and made a public plea for anyone with information in the case to contact the task force.

Maurer said the task force has a new hotline and there’s a new Web site on the case at www.hernandosheriff.org/jennifer.

He said investigators are hoping that someone will know about some items last seen with Jennifer, but were not found with her body. Those items include a white, hooded Hooters sweatshirt, a brown and yellow purse and black boots.

“There are still pieces of the puzzle that are missing,” Maurer said.

Mr. Converse said finding Jennifer’s killer will bring the family a little peace and ensure there are no more press conferences in the future.

“If we don’t have to go through this part of it for the rest of our lives, it will be a blessing,” he said.

His wife added, “Maybe we’ll save another child.”

Michelle Sample, Jennifer’s friend and the last person to see her alive when she got off the bus that day, was there Tuesday and recalled the sadness she has felt ever since.

She never imagined she was waving goodbye to her friend for the last time, she said.

Now she holds her own son a little tighter. She said she still thinks of Jennifer every day.

“I have a child now and I think about him a lot, about everything that happened and keeping him safe,” she said. “It’s scary to think that this person is still out there.”

Reporter Christi Stevens can be contacted at (352) 544-5271.

BBM and Underlined......

does this mean DNA evidence?

Note there is an error in the date she was found. She was found Feb, 25th 1993 not 2003

ladygator
12-14-2010, 02:28 PM
BBM and Underlined......

does this mean DNA evidence?

Note there is an error in the date she was found. She was found Feb, 25th 1993 not 2003

I've seen that article about 'evidence' being tested but I've never heard, outright, that they have DNA evidence. Only the fingerprint that hasn't had a hit.

Skully
12-15-2010, 11:16 AM
I've seen that article about 'evidence' being tested but I've never heard, outright, that they have DNA evidence. Only the fingerprint that hasn't had a hit.

Well I hope you are wrong and they have some trace, because they don't need much, KWIM? this way they can run it through every year or so and see if they get a hit. As for the print, good luck. I think it could be anyone's. Someone could have picked up the bag at the dump and tossed it aside, or a person who found the bag, could have dumped it there. But if someone tossed it there, they know where it came from and who it belonged too.


To the person who knows who did this....

So once again, I beg you to come forward if you think you know anything. It is 10 days before Christmas, you could give her parents a huge gift of justice this year.

Skully
12-29-2010, 07:52 PM
Stopping by to say I hope Jenny's family and friends had a good Christmas and hoping the New Year will bring some break in the case or some good news for them. Nothing will bring her back and we can't imagine what you have had to go through all these years, but I hope someone will come forward before the 17th anniversary of her death. We have a new Sheriff coming to town, I think as early as next week. So maybe a welcome letter and a nudge for Jenny's case. I know they are working hard to bring closure to the family, but it is nice to say welcome to someone who is coming in to office. I don't have his name handy but will check for it tonight on the site or the local news. He is from Pasco County.

Beatrice
01-18-2011, 04:56 PM
There has to be a very good reason why Jennifer Odom's murder has not gone unnoticed for the past 17+ years! (February 19, 2003)

I believe answers are coming!

Beatrice
01-19-2011, 08:29 AM
(bump!)

Skully
01-29-2011, 08:08 PM
Okay, I went out today and did a video of the bus stop to the place where Jennifer was found six days later. A large part of it did not upload so I am going back tomorrow to pick up where I left off. Because it is still an on going investigation I don't want to say the exact place she was found. I have read all the old articles and noticed that it is not named in any of them, and it may be for a good reason. I will video the entire route tomorrow up to the main road she was found off of, but not the exact turn off until I make sure it is okay with LE. But it is a long ride to where she was picked up to where she ended up. It is one thing to see it on a map and quite another to actually drive it. We talked to a few locals that remember where she was found and it is not off Spring Lake Road as I first thought. So if all goes well, I will be able to post the video by Feb 1 or 2nd.

Skully
01-29-2011, 08:11 PM
There has to be a very good reason why Jennifer Odom's murder has not gone unnoticed for the past 17+ years! (February 19, 2003)

I believe answers are coming!

This Feb,19 will make 17 years. She was taken in 1993. Her family deserves justice, because closure will never be an option for them.

docwho3
01-30-2011, 03:14 AM
I took the time to read the thread before posting.
It seems possible to me (not saying it is a fact - just a possibility) that this was done
by a janitor or, more likely a maintenance person or landscaper working at or near the hospital
(Oak Hill Hospital) which is allegedly near the trash site where some items were later found.

Unlike what might be required today, back then such workers were often not required
to submit fingerprints. (I have relatives that worked for hospitals in a different state
but were not fingerprinted.
I mention that because the one fingerprint found has allegedly not matched anyone.

Skully
01-30-2011, 02:54 PM
I took the time to read the thread before posting.
It seems possible to me (not saying it is a fact - just a possibility) that this was done
by a janitor or, more likely a maintenance person or landscaper working at or near the hospital
(Oak Hill Hospital) which is allegedly near the trash site where some items were later found.

Unlike what might be required today, back then such workers were often not required
to submit fingerprints. (I have relatives that worked for hospitals in a different state
but were not fingerprinted.
I mention that because the one fingerprint found has allegedly not matched anyone.

I will have to check my notes, but the hospital was built after 1995, I think it was 1997. After doing the video today, I am convinced this person was a person who picked the oranges in the groves. You will see what I mean when I get it done. I hope to have a link by tomorrow.

Skully
01-30-2011, 03:56 PM
Jennifer's walk up to her home, is directly beside an orange grove. Today it dawned on me as I rode past one grove after another, that Feb is a month for harvesting these trees. The groves are filled with pickers, and pickup trucks beside the workers and tall ladders are up against the trees for pickers to climb up and get the fruit. Some have long metal poles that have a grasp at the end to reach up and pluck the fruit from the tall branches. If you recall the kids saw a blue pickup truck with ladders and pipes in the back. I think now what they saw was a migrant workers truck parked and waiting for Jenny to get off that bus. The grove so close to the bus stop would allow them to see if a child walked alone up a long road. He would know that her two friends had moved only weeks ago and that Jenny got home before her sister and she could be plucked off the path as easy at taking the fruit off the trees. He would would know the area because there were hundreds of groves in the area that he worked each day. He may have even lived in the area with other workers in a small trailer camp. No one would think anything of a worker on that road, sitting. If he knew the cops were looking for his truck, so what, just park it and get a ride with the other workers. Say your truck was broken down, and after time passed, one would think that LE would have checked that truck already and he could go back to using it, or not. When you see the video and how many groves and the area, it will give you pause. Many of the workers lived here, they didn't go back to Mexico after the season passed, but some did. This would explain how the back pack and case turned up two years later in a old dump site. Even if someone knew what he did, I doubt they would have turned him in. He could be in jail or deported or still living here, picking oranges. I don't know if this is the case or not, but it is one good possibility.

docwho3
01-31-2011, 01:22 AM
I will have to check my notes, but the hospital was built after 1995,
I think it was 1997. After doing the video today, I am convinced this person was a
person who picked the oranges in the groves. You will see what I mean when I get
it done. I hope to have a link by tomorrow.
This link's pic shows 1984 in the upper part of the pic
(if I got the right hospital's website)

It does seem that more was built on in later years such as 1994 but says it was first built in 1984.
http://oakhillhospital.com/util/documents/publications/OHH_25_Year_Nutshell.pdf

I have my own reasons for suspecting the hospital as a place of
employment of the perp or a relative or friend of the perp.
Those reasons may not be much but they will do until I see something better.

Please see if this hospital link I found is the correct hospital or not.
I hate using incorrect links and info.

docwho3
01-31-2011, 07:42 AM
My last post subjectline should have read 1984 not 1994.
I posted the year right in the post but the subject line
was something I forgot to change when I proofread the thing.

Skully
01-31-2011, 10:02 AM
My last post subjectline should have read 1984 not 1994.
I posted the year right in the post but the subject line
was something I forgot to change when I proofread the thing.

I stand corrected, thank you for the link. I do remember the woman at the hospital saying they had their 25th when I called last year. The dump was a unofficial site, not a landfill by Waste Management. It was a place people just tossed things and left. :(

Skully
01-31-2011, 10:06 AM
This link's pic shows 1984 in the upper part of the pic
(if I got the right hospital's website)

It does seem that more was built on in later years such as 1994 but says it was first built in 1984.
http://oakhillhospital.com/util/documents/publications/OHH_25_Year_Nutshell.pdf

I have my own reasons for suspecting the hospital as a place of
employment of the perp or a relative or friend of the perp.
Those reasons may not be much but they will do until I see something better.


BBM
Please see if this hospital link I found is the correct hospital or not.
I hate using incorrect links and info.

I think we all bring our own experiences to these cases, I know I do. It does help us to realize these perps work in many different ways to get to the victims and they work many different jobs. We never know who is among us and what they are capable of until it hits our own world. But it helps us to relate to a victim or the way they may have been taken, hurt, or killed.

docwho3
02-01-2011, 03:21 AM
Here is just one theory I am considering:
Please remember it is not intended to be taken as a claim of fact
but is only a theory.
I am including links to information online about the case
and adding my own comments and conclusions.
****************
1993
'. . .February 19, 1993, Jennifer Odom stepped off her school bus. . .'
http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/1961/t/re-unsolved-child-murder-jennifer-odom.html?page=-1

' . . .Suspect vehicle is a mid to full size,
older model pick-up truck, medium to dark blue (faded) in color,
with pipes and/or ladders in back, rectangular side mirrors,
trailer hitch with wires hanging, and silver bumper in back (not chrome). . . .'
http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/1961/t/re-unsolved-child-murder-jennifer-odom.html?page=-1

Possibly a maintenance or landscaping person?
But who might need such a person?
Maybe a hospital doing some construction?

Also in 1993- Oak Hill Hospital:
' . . . Sixth floor expansion completed . . .'
http://oakhillhospital.com/util/documents/publications/OHH_25_Year_Nutshell.pdf

1994 (if the expansion was completed in 1994 was it perhaps begun sometime in 1993?)
' . . . Fifth floor opens as part of the 54 bed expansion . . .'
http://oakhillhospital.com/util/documents/publications/OHH_25_Year_Nutshell.pdf

As far as I can easily determine from reading the Hospital PDF
the construction had mostly ended and probably any touch up work and or extra
landscaping was over by 1995 soooooo mayyybe
any extra help they had hired moved on.
People moving sometimes throw away things they no longer need or want.

1995
' . . .Thursday, January 5, 1995, a couple hunting for scrap metal
in a rural area of Hernando County discovered Jennifer's missing book bag and clarinet case. . . .'
http://missing87975.yuku.com/topic/1961/t/re-unsolved-child-murder-jennifer-odom.html?page=-1

I figure the perp probably would not want to toss the stuff in a hospital dumpster
because that might lead right back to LE looking closer at
workers at the hospital but a nearby illegal dumpsite is a different matter,
close & convenient yet not directly linked to the hospital.

Leaving the body in an abandoned orange grove might
just have been to make everyone think it was one of the people
that worked in the groves. That certainly keeps people busy not
looking at the hospital workers.

Note: Not blaming the hospital. Anyone could hire a bad egg without knowing it
and this is all just a theory. . . . just one of many possibilities I am considering.

Skully
02-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Jennifer's walk up to her home, is directly beside an orange grove. Today it dawned on me as I rode past one grove after another, that Feb is a month for harvesting these trees. The groves are filled with pickers, and pickup trucks beside the workers and tall ladders are up against the trees for pickers to climb up and get the fruit. Some have long metal poles that have a grasp at the end to reach up and pluck the fruit from the tall branches. If you recall the kids saw a blue pickup truck with ladders and pipes in the back. I think now what they saw was a migrant workers truck parked and waiting for Jenny to get off that bus. The grove so close to the bus stop would allow them to see if a child walked alone up a long road. He would know that her two friends had moved only weeks ago and that Jenny got home before her sister and she could be plucked off the path as easy at taking the fruit off the trees. He would would know the area because there were hundreds of groves in the area that he worked each day. He may have even lived in the area with other workers in a small trailer camp. No one would think anything of a worker on that road, sitting. If he knew the cops were looking for his truck, so what, just park it and get a ride with the other workers. Say your truck was broken down, and after time passed, one would think that LE would have checked that truck already and he could go back to using it, or not. When you see the video and how many groves and the area, it will give you pause. Many of the workers lived here, they didn't go back to Mexico after the season passed, but some did. This would explain how the back pack and case turned up two years later in a old dump site. Even if someone knew what he did, I doubt they would have turned him in. He could be in jail or deported or still living here, picking oranges. I don't know if this is the case or not, but it is one good possibility.



This is the video of the first 6 miles of our drive....

Video # 1 on Vimeo

docwho3
02-02-2011, 06:35 AM
For now I still think he might have worked at the hospital but it is possible
that he had once worked the groves and then moved up in the world.
(Thankyou for the video link. Very nice.)

I wonder if there were nearby canals to dump the truck in?
The recent case of the man who drove his car into a canal with his son in it
brought to light about 17 vehicles that had been dumped into the canal
to get them out of sight.

It also made me wonder if they are checking those vehicles for matches to old violent crimes or thefts.

Still there were evidently many many thousands of blue pickups on the road.

I did a simple websearch on blue pickups used in abductions or attempted abductions
and got pages of results.

Skully
02-02-2011, 09:00 AM
snipped:

Income
The average hourly wage for farmworkers in Florida over the period from 1988 through 1997 was $5.36. The median personal income for Florida farmworkers was between $5,000 and $7,500 per year, and the median family income was between $7,500 and $9,999 per year. Three- quarters of the Florida farmworkers had family incomes that were below $12,500 per year. The families of six out of ten Florida farmworkers had incomes that put them below the poverty line.

Fruit pickers often climb high ladders while carrying bags that weigh up to 95 pounds when full. A typical citrus worker in Florida harvests fruit from a ladder of 18 to 20 feet in length, picking three to five tons of fruit per day. Many injuries occur when workers fall from trees, or strain backs due to heavy loads they must carry.

Living Conditions
Because of their low incomes and itinerant employment schedules, farmworkers have relatively few housing options available to them. While there are several federal farmworker housing rental projects in Florida, these facilities provide accommodations for less than five percent of Florida’s farmworkers. Only a handful of Florida growers provide housing for their employees.
Most Florida farmworkers must scramble to find rental units in the communities in which they work. Because of high rents, farmworkers often pool their funds to rent a dilapidated house or trailer. Many of these units are seriously overcrowded and in severe disrepair.
Taken from floridalegal.org/facts

This report was done for 1990-1993 farmworkers. If you google Florida migrant workers 1993, you will get other reports and stats. One was that many go on to work jobs as mechanics, landscapers, and such with the season is off. This fills in the income gap. Most of the workers are men who are married and leave the family at a different location and work the fields to support them. So it is possible the grove was done here, and he back tracked knowing she was walking alone and there was no one around to see him. He most likely lived with other workers and the truck was the main transportation, but he could have just parked it. I don't know if he could drive it without it being registered. I know people do to this day.

Skully
02-02-2011, 09:41 AM
For now I still think he might have worked at the hospital but it is possible
that he had once worked the groves and then moved up in the world.
(Thankyou for the video link. Very nice.)

I wonder if there were nearby canals to dump the truck in?
The recent case of the man who drove his car into a canal with his son in it
brought to light about 17 vehicles that had been dumped into the canal
to get them out of sight.

It also made me wonder if they are checking those vehicles for matches to old violent crimes or thefts.

Still there were evidently many many thousands of blue pickups on the road.

I did a simple websearch on blue pickups used in abductions or attempted abductions
and got pages of results.

One of the problems with checking out vehicles is, in FL, you have people from all over the states. If he was a farmworker, he probably didn't have it registered. It could have come from Mexico or given to him. So if you run a report on blue trucks in the area, it is not showing up. They did road blocks and checked people in trucks and who they were. It is on one of the video's here. So finding the truck never happened. But there are hundreds of lakes, swamps, ponds, rivers in this area to dump a truck.

Beatrice
02-02-2011, 10:26 AM
This is the video of the first 6 miles of our drive....

Video # 1 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/19454718)

Great video, Bern! Thank you!

Skully
02-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Okay, here is the next 6 miles, one more video and we will be done. Let me know what you think.



Video # 2 on Vimeo

Skully
02-02-2011, 10:52 PM
I just wanted to tell you that I can only do 10 minutes of video at a time, because that is all you can up load to vimeo at a time. These files take 3 hours to upload and get on this site. So I have one more to go about another 6-8 minutes of video. I did not name the last turn off that takes you to where her body was found for a reason. It has never been put in the paper, just an area, so I am not putting it out there.

I don't know about you, but I feel like crying as I do this drive. She was taken and murdered in broad daylight. He was brazen enough to have her in his truck at the peak of cars on the road, people coming home from work, and school. He knew where he was going and it was a long ride, with a body in his truck. How was he so sure, no one would stop him or see something, or get a ticket on the road? Just brazen. Just some of the things I think about when I sit and watch this video.

I know somebody knows what happened and who did this, I really hope someday they will be brave enough to tell what they know.

Skully
02-03-2011, 07:52 AM
Just a note, since Dec 10, 2010 we have had 1,908 views on this thread. I am happy she is not forgotten after all these years.

carbuff
02-03-2011, 12:00 PM
Thank you so much for these videos. It really helps visualize the area.

I noticed that in video 2, you seemed to be driving through a somewhat more densely populated area, with houses that looked like they were just rural residences, not farms. Would those have been there in 1993?

Skully
02-03-2011, 12:39 PM
Thank you so much for these videos. It really helps visualize the area.

I noticed that in video 2, you seemed to be driving through a somewhat more densely populated area, with houses that looked like they were just rural residences, not farms. Would those have been there in 1993?

No many of them were not there. My hubby did the drive with me and said that most of the area was rural and lots of groves. Many of the pines you see on the sides of the road, have remnants of orange trees thought them. I guess they figured they would just die out without the direct sun. The road itself was not all paved like it is now. It was a main road in the second video but not as nice.

Astrella613
02-03-2011, 01:30 PM
So, they have never released a cause for her death?

Skully
02-03-2011, 02:52 PM
So, they have never released a cause for her death?

Head trauma.

Skully
02-04-2011, 06:25 AM
Final Video,..
Video # 3 on Vimeo

Skully
02-04-2011, 10:11 AM
I found a collections of articles on rootsweb ancestry.com

There is a lot of information that I didn't see in the other articles. Jennifer died of head trauma, she was beaten to death according to St Petersburg Times.

" Hernando sheriff's Sgt. Frank Bierwiler would not say wherther the "trauma to the head" was the result of a gunshot, some other wound or a beating. Later, Bierwiler appeared on television, saying she died of blunt trauma to the head, indicating she had been beaten. end quote.

Feb, 25, 1993 St. Petersburg Times: Sally Hicks; Rick Gershman

snipped

"They're also convinced she would never willing go with a stranger. Mrs. Converse described herself as "paranoid" about her children's safety, and the conversation of two weeks ago was just one of many they had had about how to handle strangers.

We used to say, "Chill out. this is the county. This is where we grew up, "Mary Beth Denney said. But they all understood the need for caution: "Jennifer was so pretty, so energetic and bubbly. She was the type of child anybody would want. We were overly protective of her because of that."

Jennifer was taught to be awar of her surroundings, though Converse speculated that the presence of workers in the surrounding groves recently might have inured her to the sight of strange vehicles on the usually isolated road.

end quote

In the video of the drive you see some cars and some houses, but 17 yrs ago this whole area was isolated, very few cars on the road. Most of the area was orange groves. So that is why I think that a worker or someone connected with the grove industry (manger or supervisor) may have know the area, been around enough to see her and know she was alone walking at this time. I think this person was very angry because of the way she was killed and left with such disrespect to her body, uncovered. It could have been some sort of imaged slight on his part, or just anger against a class or gender. But he knew this area, well. The fact she was dumped on the side of a horse trail and her cloths are somewhere else and the back pack and case were found in another dump site, shows his intent with where he placed things. I don't know how long the back pack and case were in that dump site, but I bet her cloths, purse, boots and anything else are in another dump or place that is disrespectful in nature. This feels like a very angry man, with an axe to grind. I don' think revenge of any kind, just he had a hateful nature or jealous nature. Perhaps he was poor, or worked the fields and wanted something bigger in life. IDK.

Astrella613
02-04-2011, 11:21 AM
This verifies the vision I got of her. I got severly beaten, beaten to death, hurts to write this or think about it.
I just got to watch the second video now and there were two spots I got a feeling at, one near the beginning and one near the end.

Astrella613
02-04-2011, 11:30 AM
Number three gave me high anxiety all through it. Think he lives or lived right near this area.

Skully
02-04-2011, 12:27 PM
Just a friendly reminder if you have visions, or dreams or psychic impressions, please put them in the parking lot Dream Thread. Thank you.

carbuff
02-04-2011, 12:37 PM
Was the area at the end always wild like that, or is it another abandoned orange grove?

Skully
02-04-2011, 02:09 PM
Was the area at the end always wild like that, or is it another abandoned orange grove?

She was left on the horse trail, like just off the side in the pines. The area today is very over grown and I would think 18 yrs ago, it was more like woods and trails for people to ride horses and walk. This trial was used everyday. So she was found 6 days after she disappeared. People were searching near her home, some 10- 15 miles away. They searched the groves near her home and this couple was one of the searchers. They were walking this horse trail and found her. So he wanted her found because there are so many places he could have hid her body, including water with gators and they wouldn't have found her that fast. So I don't really know how to answer your question.

carbuff
02-04-2011, 02:40 PM
That answers it very well, thank you.

Do they know how long it was between when she was killed and when she was dumped?

Skully
02-04-2011, 03:06 PM
That answers it very well, thank you.

Do they know how long it was between when she was killed and when she was dumped?

6 days. She was taken on a Friday, and found the next Thursday.

Just a note, she was off the bus by 3:00, her sister was home by 4:00 and they called the sheriff's office by 4:30. They were there by 5:00, as I read within 90 minutes of the time she got off the bus, deputies had been called out. It would still be daylight here in FL in Feb. I know if you live up North it gets dark around 5pm in the winter. So they had daylight for hours yet. I have to wonder if he took her somewhere and then dumped the body after dark? That may explain why things got separated, cloths from the body and backpack and case. He may have been in a hurry as LE was searching miles away, but would be up his way very shortly. Just thinking out loud as I do.

Skully
02-04-2011, 03:10 PM
That answers it very well, thank you.

Do they know how long it was between when she was killed and when she was dumped?

Sorry I read you question wrong. They think she was dead shortly after she was taken. So I don't know why that is, maybe the autopsy report revealed that, I really don't know. But I read that was the what they thought. I don't have a link but it is in one of these articles here on the site. Check St Petersburg Times as they did most of the articles on her.

Skully
02-04-2011, 04:04 PM
Number three gave me high anxiety all through it. Think he lives or lived right near this area.

Maybe the music? It is by Zoe Keating. I thought it was appropriate, no words, just emotion.

Skully
02-04-2011, 04:14 PM
I went back through the articles and not one says whether or not she was molested. I realize being left naked would make one draw that conclusion, but I wonder why no DNA match? So hold your tomatoes please, but if she wasn't raped, could a woman who was jealous of her have done this? Maybe she thought her husband liked her, (one of the workers) and she was enraged. The way she was left and how she was killed makes me think this person was so angry and spiteful. I don't know if the grove was done and already picked, but if so, that means no workers around to have seen anything. In the first video the crop is about 1/2 done. That was Jan, 31. Just thinking again. I do that a lot. I have been reading up on the Day of the Dead in Mexico. Death and Life are celebrated, they are one. Mexicans bury the dead in a coffin, just as we do in the states. To leave a body face down, naked and just tossed to the side of a horse trail is just so evil and disrespectful of the body and life of the person. So if she wasn't molested, you can't rule out a woman.

I am starting to feel like I have my own blog here.

carbuff
02-04-2011, 04:51 PM
Well, one reason for no DNA match even if some was recovered would be that the person who attacked her was never caught for another crime.

DreamyEye
02-05-2011, 12:48 AM
I have a question. The bus lets her out facing the drive way or Jim Denney road, and she goes E like on the map up the road towards the house. Now, if the bus stops and lets her out, and then closes the door and drives N, how does the truck follow her up the drive way in time for the kids to see this happening? They say it is sitting there, so do they mean facing E towards the house, pulled off to the side of that road? She would then have to walk past the truck in order for it to be following her. How long did the bus sit so the kids would see this take place? Or were the kids in the back of the bus looking out the back window and seeing him start up the truck and follow her?

Eerie, Bern! I'm reading Jennifer's thread for the first time, and when I looked at your map a couple of posts before this one, I thought "well, either the truck had to be following the bus, or it had to pass behind the bus and turn onto Jim Denney--or, Jennifer had to walk past it before it started following her. And all this had to happen in the time that the bus stopped, Jennifer disboarded, and before the bus started moving again--or just moments after it started moving.

I can see how it could easily have been concealed in the orange grove and then pulled out behind her after she walked by ... but it had to have happened in a time frame that allowed the kids to see it. If it was just one or two kids who saw it, I'd wonder how much weight to give this ... but if it was more than two kids, it seems more suggestive.

It would be interesting to know how thoroughly the kids on the bus were interviewed by the police, or whether there are any transcripts of these interviews. It might be telling to have a look at 1) the exact wording used by each kid to describe what he or she saw; and 2) how consistent were the witness accounts from child to child?

DreamyEye
02-05-2011, 12:58 AM
the video showed a home with a pool, but the article said, she walked past the orange grove and past her grandmother house but never made it.

How do they know she walked past her grandmother's house? If the kids on the bus saw that, the bus must have sat there for awhile. Would that be typical?

DreamyEye
02-05-2011, 01:27 AM
I have been following the idea that this was someone she knew but I'm not sure anymore. I cannot find any local cases simular to this one and this perp IMO would not have stopped with one killing. Also, if the fingerprint is his then he has not been caught either so he may still be out there.

I'm leaning toward thinking that she knew the driver of the truck and went willing. In order for this to be true, though, she had to know him--and probably know his truck as well--while the other kids on the bus did NOT seem to know the truck. I haven't read anything yet to suggest that any of the kids thought they recognized the truck, as in saying something like 'it looked like old man Geezer's' truck ... or 'it might have been Fred's brother's truck."

When I was Jennifer's age, I might have been interested in a boy old enough to drive, or even a youngish man ... but I also (sorry to say) would have "sung like a bird" to anyone who'd listen to me ... such and such guy winked at me; or this certain guy always talks to me; or I think this certain guy kinda likes me.

So it seems like an odd set of circumstances, if she knew the driver of the truck, but no one on the bus recognized the truck ... and none of her friends (or her sister) reported that she was excited about someone who was paying special attention to her.

DreamyEye
02-05-2011, 02:21 AM
I never thought of that! He did have a blue truck!!

I don't think he'd be a good suspect in Jennifer's case for a couple of reasons.

He stayed local. And targeted prostitutes.

There is no DNA in Jennifer's case. Unless LE is keeping that hush.

I live close to the Green River area and followed the Green River cases pretty closely. It is thought that Ridgeway quit killing for a short time because he married, and while the marriage was going well, perhaps he made a real effort to stop consorting with prostitutes and stop killing. I think in order to rule him out in Jennifer's case, we'd have to go over his known doings around the time of her death to see if there was a window when he could have visited FL. Ridgeway worked for the same company for 20 years or more and was a reasonably conscientious employee. The only way he could have been in FL for a time would be if he went there on vacation. It's not a case where he would have done it while 'AWOL' from his job.

Even though Ridgeway is primarily known for killing prostitutes, his first known crime was that of befriending a young boy in a park ... and then slashing the child's throat and leaving him for dead. The boy asked Ridgeway 'why did you kill me?' Ridgeway was without remorse and said something to the effect of sorry kid, but I wanted to find out what it would feel like. (The little guy nearly died but did recover, and after Ridgeway's arrest, did many crime show interviews about his close call at the hands of Ridgeway. By the time of the interviews, of course, he had grown up.)

While that was the only instance I've ever heard of in which he carried out violence against a person known to be a child, bear in mind that Ridgeway also used his own son as something of a decoy or 'cover.' He took the child in his truck to some of the sexual encounters and killings, after learning that the presense of a child often led prostitutes to assume that Ridgeway was a "safe" client.

I don't think the list of Ridgeway's known victims included many girls who were extremely young ... but in any area of heavy prostitution activity, some of the 'working girls' are bound to be pretty young. I would never rule out Ridgeway as a possibility just because the victim was younger than his typical victims.

I would say that if there is any chance at all that Ridgeway could have been in FL at the time of Jennifer's killing, his DNA should be checked out.

Skully
02-05-2011, 09:31 AM
How do they know she walked past her grandmother's house? If the kids on the bus saw that, the bus must have sat there for awhile. Would that be typical?

The article was referring to past history of her walk. The kids on the bus saw a blue truck with a ladder and pipes (maybe poles) with a hitch and bumper painted silver. They said as the bus left, the truck pulled up the long driveway, slowly behind Jennifer. It would be interesting to know the full accounts of the eyewitness. I am sure each kid saw a bit of this and another saw a bit of that. But kids look out the window and it would be something to draw attention too as the road is usually isolated unless the groves are being picked. So maybe the this grove was done but they send someone around to check the groves to see if everything is all picked up, like ladders or poles or empty sacks that the oranges are put in as they climb those long ladders. I think if a worker was to blame, it is a good theory that she was put into one of the sacks you see in the video. She wasn't covered in a blanket or hidden in a rug, so I think she may have been transported in that sack, then taken out and left. He wouldn't leave a sack from a grove as it would be a huge indicator of who did this. I think her cloths are discarded in a dump site or field along that drive as well. It is a long drive and longer to Oak Hill, so any place along the way could have that sack and her cloths.

Beatrice
02-05-2011, 11:46 AM
Final Video,..
Video # 3 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/19546780)

One thing that jumped out at me was at 4:44 there is a woman walking along the road. I can't imagine where she is going as it is so desolate.

carbuff
02-05-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm leaning toward thinking that she knew the driver of the truck and went willing. In order for this to be true, though, she had to know him--and probably know his truck as well--while the other kids on the bus did NOT seem to know the truck. I haven't read anything yet to suggest that any of the kids thought they recognized the truck, as in saying something like 'it looked like old man Geezer's' truck ... or 'it might have been Fred's brother's truck."

When I was Jennifer's age, I might have been interested in a boy old enough to drive, or even a youngish man ... but I also (sorry to say) would have "sung like a bird" to anyone who'd listen to me ... such and such guy winked at me; or this certain guy always talks to me; or I think this certain guy kinda likes me.

So it seems like an odd set of circumstances, if she knew the driver of the truck, but no one on the bus recognized the truck ... and none of her friends (or her sister) reported that she was excited about someone who was paying special attention to her.

Well, there are two different sides I see here.

One is that she wasn't interested in him, but had met this guy under circumstances that made her categorize him as something other than a stranger -- church, a store she visited regularly, relative of a friend or neighbor, even a grove worker she saw regularly. Friend. Non-threatening. Possibly somebody she had known for some time.

The other is that she was interested in him but knew that her mother would disapprove. Somebody older, somebody dangerous, maybe somebody off limits because he was married to a relative -- something along those lines.

I don't think it means anything that the kids on the bus didn't recognize the truck -- they would probably remember vehicles they see regularly, but if it looked like a grove worker's truck, would they have thought anything of it?

Skully
02-05-2011, 12:16 PM
Well, there are two different sides I see here.

One is that she wasn't interested in him, but had met this guy under circumstances that made her categorize him as something other than a stranger -- church, a store she visited regularly, relative of a friend or neighbor, even a grove worker she saw regularly. Friend. Non-threatening. Possibly somebody she had known for some time.

The other is that she was interested in him but knew that her mother would disapprove. Somebody older, somebody dangerous, maybe somebody off limits because he was married to a relative -- something along those lines.

I don't think it means anything that the kids on the bus didn't recognize the truck -- they would probably remember vehicles they see regularly, but if it looked like a grove worker's truck, would they have thought anything of it?

I am torn between her knowing this person as in someone she saw, so he didn't seem like a stranger, or this person had a gun, or some other lure to get her to get into the truck. Either way, he knew her, or at least watched for an opportunity to grab her.

Astrella613
02-05-2011, 12:17 PM
She was left on the horse trail, like just off the side in the pines. The area today is very over grown and I would think 18 yrs ago, it was more like woods and trails for people to ride horses and walk. This trial was used everyday. So she was found 6 days after she disappeared. People were searching near her home, some 10- 15 miles away. They searched the groves near her home and this couple was one of the searchers. They were walking this horse trail and found her. So he wanted her found because there are so many places he could have hid her body, including water with gators and they wouldn't have found her that fast. So I don't really know how to answer your question.

Oh, I didn't know that they were searchers. I thought I read that they were just taking a walk and happened upon her. If the trail was used everyday, yet it took six days to find her, she must have been somewhat hidden.

Skully
02-05-2011, 12:24 PM
Well, there are two different sides I see here.

One is that she wasn't interested in him, but had met this guy under circumstances that made her categorize him as something other than a stranger -- church, a store she visited regularly, relative of a friend or neighbor, even a grove worker she saw regularly. Friend. Non-threatening. Possibly somebody she had known for some time.

The other is that she was interested in him but knew that her mother would disapprove. Somebody older, somebody dangerous, maybe somebody off limits because he was married to a relative -- something along those lines.

I don't think it means anything that the kids on the bus didn't recognize the truck -- they would probably remember vehicles they see regularly, but if it looked like a grove worker's truck, would they have thought anything of it?

I agree, the kids wouldn't think twice about a truck in the area at harvest time. If you look at the video, there are trucks all around, parked by the groves and trailers filled with the fruit, ready to be shipped. So I think it was the same in 93 only more so. Many of the groves are gone today, and yet there are still lots in the video left.

Also, he didn't care the truck would be seen, why? I think because by the time the cops knew about the truck, it was heading out of state, or to another area. Like the stats show, they go from place to place harvesting fruit. So he could have been on his way to say GA to pick peaches, and decided this would be a good time to take her and no one would see the truck again. He could have gotten rid of it or painted it in another location, comes back to Hernando for harvest season the next year and dumps the back pack and case.

Skully
02-05-2011, 12:29 PM
Oh, I didn't know that they were searchers. I thought I read that they were just taking a walk and happened upon her. If the trail was used everyday, yet it took six days to find her, she must have been somewhat hidden.

The article says the trial was used everyday. So that means he took a huge chance placing her there for one, and for two I think he wanted her to be found. I think the searches started closest to her home and worked there way out like with the other cases here. So if she was just off the trial in the pines, it would be about a week or so to find her. I think the couple helped search, but when they found her, they happened to be just walking that trail.

Astrella613
02-05-2011, 12:33 PM
Maybe the music? It is by Zoe Keating. I thought it was appropriate, no words, just emotion.

Not sure, maybe. Might have been the coffee too, that's what I blamed.

Sorry for the other, edit option not available.

Astrella613
02-05-2011, 12:38 PM
The article says the trial was used everyday. So that means he took a huge chance placing her there for one, and for two I think he wanted her to be found. I think the searches started closest to her home and worked there way out like with the other cases here. So if she was just off the trial in the pines, it would be about a week or so to find her. I think the couple helped search, but when they found her, they happened to be just walking that trail.

Were the pines there back then or was it just the orange groves? Do you know how far this was from her home? Not too good with maps and geography but I thought it was kind of far from what I remember.

Astrella613
02-05-2011, 12:41 PM
One thing that jumped out at me was at 4:44 there is a woman walking along the road. I can't imagine where she is going as it is so desolate.

I kept thinking, who would want to live there? I couldn't do it, but I know that many people love that.

Skully
02-05-2011, 02:02 PM
Were the pines there back then or was it just the orange groves? Do you know how far this was from her home? Not too good with maps and geography but I thought it was kind of far from what I remember.

She was discovered on a horse-riding trail among groves of orange and pine trees near Spring Lake, (the place, not the lake) in Hernando county. About 10 miles from her home according to the paper.

Skully
02-05-2011, 02:09 PM
Were the pines there back then or was it just the orange groves? Do you know how far this was from her home? Not too good with maps and geography but I thought it was kind of far from what I remember.

Yes it was pretty far because if you go back and watch each video (I pick up where we leave off) it is a long ride IMO. I don't know how you would keep a person that age in a old truck (no automatic door locks) for a drive that long unless you had a gun on them or they were already deceased before you took that long ride to the horse trail area. I think that is another reason LE felt she died shortly after she was taken. I kind of think there must have been a place he took her or he killed her in his truck. I am now leaning towards a trailer of some sort. If he was leaving town, maybe no one realized it was a crime scene if it was a rented trailer. People live up North and rent out house and trailer here. Many have agents that run an add or rent the property for them. He may not have even left, just not a suspect so no one ever looked at his place for evidence or a crime.

DreamyEye
02-06-2011, 01:44 AM
I have read reports that one thing they are pretty sure she had but has never been found is a Hooters jacket that belonged to a friend of hers.

Is it just me, or does it seem odd that a 12 year old is walking around with a Hooters jacket?

We did not get Hooters in the Pacific NW until twelve or fifteen years ago, and from what I understand here, they're not as common nor as popular here as they are in Florida. Right after one opened in my area, there was a 'scandal' in my circle because a couple took their 16 year old son to celebrate his birthday at Hooters. A surprising number of people thought it was inappropriate for parents to do that. I never thought too much about a 16 year old boy ... but a 12 yr old girl having one of the jackets does surprise me.

Is there something I'm not undertanding about the Hooters chain? Around here it's considered mildly racy.

DreamyEye
02-06-2011, 01:48 AM
Well, there are two different sides I see here.

One is that she wasn't interested in him, but had met this guy under circumstances that made her categorize him as something other than a stranger -- church, a store she visited regularly, relative of a friend or neighbor, even a grove worker she saw regularly. Friend. Non-threatening. Possibly somebody she had known for some time.

The other is that she was interested in him but knew that her mother would disapprove. Somebody older, somebody dangerous, maybe somebody off limits because he was married to a relative -- something along those lines.
I don't think it means anything that the kids on the bus didn't recognize the truck -- they would probably remember vehicles they see regularly, but if it looked like a grove worker's truck, would they have thought anything of it?


Bolded by me.

The bolded part is kind of what I'm thinking. Also, she may have had the vague, innocent 12 yr old's understanding of a 'romance'--and it may have meant something far more sinister to the killer.

Astrella613
02-06-2011, 01:50 PM
I have read reports that one thing they are pretty sure she had but has never been found is a Hooters jacket that belonged to a friend of hers.

Is it just me, or does it seem odd that a 12 year old is walking around with a Hooters jacket?

We did not get Hooters in the Pacific NW until twelve or fifteen years ago, and from what I understand here, they're not as common nor as popular here as they are in Florida. Right after one opened in my area, there was a 'scandal' in my circle because a couple took their 16 year old son to celebrate his birthday at Hooters. A surprising number of people thought it was inappropriate for parents to do that. I never thought too much about a 16 year old boy ... but a 12 yr old girl having one of the jackets does surprise me.

Is there something I'm not undertanding about the Hooters chain? Around here it's considered mildly racy.

I have heard that a lot of people consider Hooters to be a family restaurant. I am not one of them and I did think the jacket choice odd for her age especially that many years ago. When I first heard of Hooters, it was considered scanalous as you said. I am from the North east so maybe in Florida it is different.

Astrella613
02-06-2011, 01:55 PM
She was discovered on a horse-riding trail among groves of orange and pine trees near Spring Lake, (the place, not the lake) in Hernando county. About 10 miles from her home according to the paper.

Wouldn't that be a big search area? Or do searchers normally do an area that big? I would think it would be smaller unless they had a reason to go that far.

Skully
02-06-2011, 02:05 PM
I have read reports that one thing they are pretty sure she had but has never been found is a Hooters jacket that belonged to a friend of hers.

Is it just me, or does it seem odd that a 12 year old is walking around with a Hooters jacket?

We did not get Hooters in the Pacific NW until twelve or fifteen years ago, and from what I understand here, they're not as common nor as popular here as they are in Florida. Right after one opened in my area, there was a 'scandal' in my circle because a couple took their 16 year old son to celebrate his birthday at Hooters. A surprising number of people thought it was inappropriate for parents to do that. I never thought too much about a 16 year old boy ... but a 12 yr old girl having one of the jackets does surprise me.

Is there something I'm not undertanding about the Hooters chain? Around here it's considered mildly racy.

I don't think the hooded jacket has baring on the case, so much as it would be identifiable if found. She borrowed it as you pointed out and it is unfortunate that the jacket she borrowed came from a restaurant people think is not appropriate for kids or for kids to wear the merchandise they put out as advertisement for the restaurant. Her family was very much community involved, and about as wholesome as they get. They farmed, they were involved in the 4H clubs, water sking, sewing, church events, all the things that I wish my family had been involved in. The kids were "A" students and Jenny was the involved with the church, and her music, sports, well you get the idea. So I don't think much of the jacket, expect that it was borrowed and I hope someday it turns up. Maybe there will be some evidence that will lead to her killer.

Skully
02-06-2011, 02:07 PM
Wouldn't that be a big search area? Or do searchers normally do an area that big? I would think it would be smaller unless they had a reason to go that far.

The couple that found her, were not searching that area at the time. They searched the previous weekend at Spring Lake and this weekend they were walking the horse trail and found her.

Astrella613
02-06-2011, 03:12 PM
The couple that found her, were not searching that area at the time. They searched the previous weekend at Spring Lake and this weekend they were walking the horse trail and found her.

Thanks, I found out that the search area was 60 square miles.

http://www.hernandosheriff.org/unsolved/Odom/

Skully
02-06-2011, 05:13 PM
Thanks, I found out that the search area was 60 square miles.

http://www.hernandosheriff.org/unsolved/Odom/

Thanks, I forget where all the info is. So would that mean they started with the bus stop and we 15 miles in each direction? The case and backpack would be about 22 miles out from her home as I recall, so maybe the cloths are at the bottom of another dump site.

:+:MrTT:+:
02-06-2011, 05:22 PM
This is the video of the first 6 miles of our drive....

Video # 1 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/19454718)

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at 37 seconds you can see the truck tracks on the road that Jen would have been walking on. So the trucks in the groves would have come out one side made a upturn on the road and then proceed to go down the other side of the grove to continue to pick and harvest the oranges.

at 45/1:24 seconds you can see the main trailer to remove the oranges from the area, and take them to wherever they may had been taken to.
i WONDER where they were taken after leaving the area?
Who owned those groves at the time?
At 2:12 you can see the man putting oranges in the bag.
Notice how close to the road he is.

At 2:19 you can see the back of a truck.
It seems to be a similar type of truck that would have been used back at that time. In fact if you remove the fence it would appear to be the same today as back then.
Jennifer would had been accustom to seeing these trucks come in and out of the groves during harvest time. They would had not made her feel concerned about seeing them on the road as she walked home. She was used to seeing them. And having one follow her as reported, would not had caused her any alarm on that day, because she was used to seeing them, being around them.

IMPORTANT QUESTION!
They were open that day yes, and harvesting the oranges.
Or for one reason or the other, where there no collecting Oranges that-day??

When the kids reported seeing the truck following her, for right now i would say the truck came out of the grove after she passed it, and was following her up the gravel road as she walked home. No one reported that they seen the truck turn onto the road from the main road and then proceeded to follow her. Its my hunch right now from watching the video, that the truck was already inside the groves on one side facing the road Jen was walking on, when she passed i8t, the DEMON came out the grove and followed behind her, and that is what was seen by the kids on the bus.

Conclusion of video.
I don't recall anyone whom may had been working that day in the groves give a report to LE about what they seen or heard that day.
Anyone working on that grove for any exte3nded period of time, would have known when Jen got home, when the bus arrived etc.
They had to be accustom to hearing the bus stop there each day, they had to hear the squealing sounds of brakes as the bus stopped there each day to let Jen off. they had to hear the bus door open, and kids yelling if the bus windows were down etc.
That place was a quite place, so these sounds i mentioned would have been easy to hear.
Yet i don't know of any reports by LE that reported any of the workers in the groves heard anything related to this case????
Where Jen was walking, she was close not only to the groves but the workers also. And it would have not been uncommon for her to stop and chat with some of the workers as she walked to the house from the bus drop.


From watching this video.
I would speculate that on that day. When Jen got off the bus and started walking down the gravel road, she passed a truck that was already parked inside the grove waiting on her. When she passed the truck, the truck came out and started to follow her up the road. that is what the kids on the bus seen.
she was not alarmed because she had seen those trucks come in and out of the groves during harvest seasons many times as she walked home from the bus drop.
She was taking from a orange grove, and found in a orange grove. A TRUCK WITH LADDERS, probably to ladders about 5 feet in length that could be connected, depending upon the height needed to do a job, such as picking oranges etc.

But my other question i would like to have answered, is if it was business as usual that day, and there were persons working there that day at that time. And if there were, and no one reported anything to LE about what they seen or heard. Why is that?????

As close to the road as they were working, if they were working that day, no one heard or seen anything unusual.
I don't believe it if that is the case.

wanted to add.
In my 2 and a half years here, this is one of the most extraordinary videos i have seen as far as a reenactment.
It is as if, one went back in-time and filmed things as it was, and then brought it to the future which is now for us to see.
One of the best reenactments of events i have seen!

Normally i would edit misspelled words etc.
but i am leaving the 8 and 3 as is.
it could be 8 and 3 or 83 or even 8+3=11?
8311?

THE ABOVE ALL MOO AND SPECULATION ON MY PART.
NOTHING POSTED AS FACT UNLESS OTHERWISE KNOWN TO BE.

Skully
02-06-2011, 05:32 PM
Mr. TT,

Thanks for the post, and this is why, (all the reasons you list and observations) that I think this person was a worker. The video is taken 1/31 so you can see that 1/2 of that grove is done. I think the grove was picked and he came back because no one would think anything of his truck sitting there. I think he pulled be side her, and used a gun to get her into the truck with her stuff. He could have just went back into the grove, and exited out the far end of it onto Jassamine road down to St Joe and onto Lake Iola and then to the horse trail. I do believe since there was nothing in the grove to indicate a crime scene, he must have killed her in the truck or he had a place very close to the grove but rented it. It could have been the last day he was staying there and after the crime, he left town to go to another location to work other field, maybe GA.

But this is all speculation on my part.