Remains Of Boy's Body Found In DuPage County-Merged

[Mom2threestooges]

Cause Of Death Not Immediately Known



POSTED: 12:25 pm CDT October 9, 2005
UPDATED: 1:18 pm CDT October 9, 2005


CHICAGO -- DuPage County detectives are investigating why the remains of a boy were found in a heavily wooded area Saturday in unincorporated Naperville Township near Warrenville, officials said.

Deputies received a call from an unidentified person at about 4 p.m. who reported finding the remains near the intersection of Ferry and Meadow roads, according to the DuPage County Sheriff's police spokeswoman Carol Roegner.

An autopsy was expected to be conducted Sunday, the DuPage County coroner's office Web site stated.

Roegner did not know the circumstances of how the body was found or who placed the call.

The area around Meadow Road was sealed off Sunday morning.

Investigators were scheduled to return to the scene Sunday afternoon to search for additional clues.

[chicoliving]

(CBS) WARRENVILLE An autopsy is planned for today on the body of a young boy found in unincorporated DuPage County.

As CBS 2’s Suzanne LeMignot reports, the discovery has left neighbors at bit shaken up.

“It’s heart-wrenching, that’s for sure,” said neighbor Ronald Frieders.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_281212345.html

[Norma]

Any idea who it could be?

Any young boy missing from the Chicago area?

[reb]

could be richard paul holland, from williamston MI (about 4 hrs away).....? although chicago's a big city, so who knows....

[Mom2threestooges]

I've not seen anything released about an age on the victim, or even if this is a recent death, or just perhaps remains. Not sure, but this is just under an hour from me and we get the same local news. If I see anything new I'll post ASAP.

[NanaMcZoo]

Ricky Holland...missing since 2 July,05...about an hour from me...and it seems no one cares.Seven years old....initially listed as a "runaway"...ummm..don't know where I've been but last time I checked,a 7 y/o could only run away if you knew where he was. LE did dig up adoptive parents back yard, and there was an article on him in Twilight Kingdom.I'm venting...sorry...it's just I don't understand why this little child can't get the publicity that others have...I hope it's his body and I hope it isn't his body. His picture just haunts me.

[chicoliving]

Ricky Holland...missing since 2 July,05...about an hour from me...and it seems no one cares.Seven years old....initially listed as a "runaway"...ummm..don't know where I've been but last time I checked,a 7 y/o could only run away if you knew where he was. LE did dig up adoptive parents back yard, and there was an article on him in Twilight Kingdom.I'm venting...sorry...it's just I don't understand why this little child can't get the publicity that others have...I hope it's his body and I hope it isn't his body. His picture just haunts me.
Here's the link (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25775&highlight=Ricky+Holland)to the thread in the Missing forum about Ricky.

[NanaMcZoo]

Thank you... I'm one of those people that think media attention should be given to ALL missing...granted,that would require a 24 hour new news network...but hell...I'd watch it...someone,somewhere,knows something. Thanks for letting me vent.

[chicoliving]

Thank you... I'm one of those people that think media attention should be given to ALL missing...granted,that would require a 24 hour new news network...but hell...I'd watch it...someone,somewhere,knows something. Thanks for letting me vent.
I'm all for that 24 hour news on the missing...what good it could do :)

Welcome to WS NanaMcZoo :)

[mindi77]

I'm all for that 24 hour news on the missing...what good it could do :)

Welcome to WS NanaMcZoo :)


I agree with that

[reb]

yes, i keep hearing about that too, i wonder what the heck is taking so long....???? they have all that other worthless garbage on TV, and you mean to tell me they can't have a 24-hr missing persons' network?? please!

and you know everyone would watch it, considering all the interest in missing people these days.

[mindi77]

yes, i keep hearing about that too, i wonder what the heck is taking so long....???? they have all that other worthless garbage on TV, and you mean to tell me they can't have a 24-hr missing persons' network?? please!

and you know everyone would watch it, considering all the interest in missing people these days.


I agree that I think alot more people would probably watch then they think. What if people from all over started doing like public access about this. Like people got together on the internet and all live in different areas and all try to get a show on public access. The could have there own site to maintain and discuss each show that would be on in each different state and city that people signed up to try to get this going.

They could discuss all the missing people that would be on each show for that week and make sure that they get all the details of the disapearence as possible and have the website on the bottem of the television would be linked to the same one and when people come to the website they could see the other missing people that were aired on the other public access channels.

Then I would imagine if you started something like that then maybe it would gain some bigger ups and news worthyness about all of these people going all through out the world starting a public access show but with one name behind it. I don't know if that made any sense but tell if it didn't and I will try to clear it up....sometimes I get ahead of myself and don't know if what I am writing speaks the way I would like...


I think it would be a great thing to do, just a half hour or hour public access show and have a certain number to discuss in each show and then tell people about the website to look at more pics and news. And then maybe we can get what we want, we could talk about how it would be great to get a 24 hour tv channel dedicated for all the missing and tell them to sign the petition on the website and maybe some big wig would do it.

I know I know maybe to big a dream, but it would be great if we could give the missing a voice.

Mindi

[reb]

the way i see it, the only downside to this would be:

it could give creeps, perverts, and murderers enough knowledge to stay one step ahead, or do better not to get caught next time.

other than that, i think it could help solve a lot of cases, and perhaps catch a lot of the perpetrators... considering how much time america spends watching TV!

[chicoliving]

the way i see it, the only downside to this would be:

it could give creeps, perverts, and murderers enough knowledge to stay one step ahead, or do better not to get caught next time.

other than that, i think it could help solve a lot of cases, and perhaps catch a lot of the perpetrators... considering how much time america spends watching TV!
Somewhere here on the forum are the threads on Oprah's show....since last week three sexual predators have been caught due to her showcase of the pervs and her offer of $100K to those that give the tip that lands them. That's a darn good start imo. Whatever it takes.....

[NanaMcZoo]

Thinking back to Ted Turner and his zillions...starting up CNN,etc... why couldn't someone...( NON-POLITICAL ) i.e.,Donald Trump,Bill Gates,Oprah, etc.....start a show focusing on the MISSING...24/7...I mean how hard could it be...they would have a new listing every second so it would be fresh news, unfortunately....then have special times to hi-lite the older missing cases. I know,not everyone would watch,but I think a lot would. Especially if it were commercial free,unless of course they were to offer safety items...like the Carly Alarm backpack,etc...just rambling thoughts...wondering what it's gonna take,to stop the madness.

I snatched the above from my own forum instead of trying to re-type what I wrote....I think your idea is more plausible tho. The bottom line is,most people are curious...and would tune in just to check it out...and one of those people could have an epiphany and realize..."hey...I just saw that man/woman/child" and I CAN do something !!! Even the tiny town I'm in has a public access channel...maybe there is hope !!!

[mindi77]

Thinking back to Ted Turner and his zillions...starting up CNN,etc... why couldn't someone...( NON-POLITICAL ) i.e.,Donald Trump,Bill Gates,Oprah, etc.....start a show focusing on the MISSING...24/7...I mean how hard could it be...they would have a new listing every second so it would be fresh news, unfortunately....then have special times to hi-lite the older missing cases. I know,not everyone would watch,but I think a lot would. Especially if it were commercial free,unless of course they were to offer safety items...like the Carly Alarm backpack,etc...just rambling thoughts...wondering what it's gonna take,to stop the madness.

I snatched the above from my own forum instead of trying to re-type what I wrote....I think your idea is more plausible tho. The bottom line is,most people are curious...and would tune in just to check it out...and one of those people could have an epiphany and realize..."hey...I just saw that man/woman/child" and I CAN do something !!! Even the tiny town I'm in has a public access channel...maybe there is hope !!!








Yeah that is what i was thinking...every town and place has public access.

And I want to comment on what you wrote reb I would hate to give and perps a heads up or right and wrong ways, but I already think they are a step ahead of us. I mean there are so many missing people and noone say anything and lots haven't been found.

I think about Shasta and how lucky she was to have been put on tv and talked about. Because that obviously saved her life, by people seeing her face. I imagine Duncan isn't possibly the only perv to have possibly done this, what if it has been lots of times, where they take the kid or something to eat or a gas station but since some kids don't get any media attention they would have likely not have been noticed. But I totally get what you are saying.

It would be nice if you could get a 24/7 channel and like the poster above said have commericals for safety items also little type commericals for safety info, teaching kids what to do and things to do and all that. We always tell them when we hear something and when something happens but the could really get in depth. Teach them exactlly how to knock the tail lights out if they are in a trunk or whatever we could teach them.

Anything that could save lots of people would be great....

[PrayersForMaura]

the way i see it, the only downside to this would be:

it could give creeps, perverts, and murderers enough knowledge to stay one step ahead, or do better not to get caught next time.

other than that, i think it could help solve a lot of cases, and perhaps catch a lot of the perpetrators... considering how much time america spends watching TV!I disagree about the downside ... any of those crime TV shows could give them knowledge to stay one step ahead if that were the case ... CSI, Missing, Law & Order, even Greta or Nancy Grace, etc.

I think all these wonderful people donating thousands of dollars like the gentleman (Manamosa? I am sorry for possibly spelling his nam wrong, can't remember it at the moment) could put money towards programming like this.

I am all for a 24/7 show. I'd have it on while sleuthing.
:)

[Marilynilpa]

I disagree about the downside ... any of those crime TV shows could give them knowledge to stay one step ahead if that were the case ... CSI, Missing, Law & Order, even Greta or Nancy Grace, etc.

I think all these wonderful people donating thousands of dollars like the gentleman (Manamosa? I am sorry for possibly spelling his nam wrong, can't remember it at the moment) could put money towards programming like this.

I am all for a 24/7 show. I'd have it on while sleuthing.
:)
It seems like a good idea to me.

It appears that missing boys/young men do not get the attention that missing girls/young women do. I am currently doing some research into the disappearance of Craig Frear, who vanished from Scotia, NY in 2004. There was some interest at first (talked about on the Montel Williams show), but then it kind of died down. A 24/7 show that would focus on ALL missing people, not just attractive white females, would be wonderful.

[kgeaux]

Ricky Holland...missing since 2 July,05...about an hour from me...and it seems no one cares.Seven years old....initially listed as a "runaway"...ummm..don't know where I've been but last time I checked,a 7 y/o could only run away if you knew where he was. LE did dig up adoptive parents back yard, and there was an article on him in Twilight Kingdom.I'm venting...sorry...it's just I don't understand why this little child can't get the publicity that others have...I hope it's his body and I hope it isn't his body. His picture just haunts me.

Any confirmation yet? Is it Ricky? I've thought of this little boy so often, and wondered what happened to him. I wonder when we'll hear the autopsy report. There was some speculation back in July that he may have fallen into a nearby river...

[mysteriew]

As DuPage County sheriff's police remained tight-lipped Sunday about the body of a young boy found Saturday in unincorporated Naperville, neighbors said they were apprehensive about the discovery and curious about the investigation.

The DuPage County coroner's office conducted an autopsy Sunday but did not release results.

Sheriff's investigators could not be reached for comment Sunday, and a news release said only that a telephone tip led police to the body about 4 p.m. Saturday.

The statement, released before the autopsy, said the boy's age and race are unknown.

Two sheriff's squad cars remained at the site Sunday afternoon.

Peterson, who has lived on Meadow for 18 years, said he heard the body was found by a resident walking a dog.

"I noticed police were walking up and down the street with their dogs at about 4 p.m.," he said.

He said police investigators have asked residents questions but haven't provided many answers.

Peterson said an officer told him the body had decomposed somewhat--but police would not confirm that or say how long the body might have been there.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0510100171oct10,1,7037360.story?coll=chi-news-hed

[mysteriew]

Thinking back to Ted Turner and his zillions...starting up CNN,etc... why couldn't someone...( NON-POLITICAL ) i.e.,Donald Trump,Bill Gates,Oprah, etc.....start a show focusing on the MISSING...24/7...I mean how hard could it be...they would have a new listing every second so it would be fresh news, unfortunately....then have special times to hi-lite the older missing cases. I know,not everyone would watch,but I think a lot would. Especially if it were commercial free,unless of course they were to offer safety items...like the Carly Alarm backpack,etc...just rambling thoughts...wondering what it's gonna take,to stop the madness.

I snatched the above from my own forum instead of trying to re-type what I wrote....I think your idea is more plausible tho. The bottom line is,most people are curious...and would tune in just to check it out...and one of those people could have an epiphany and realize..."hey...I just saw that man/woman/child" and I CAN do something !!! Even the tiny town I'm in has a public access channel...maybe there is hope !!!





http://www.gatesfoundation.org/ForGrantSeekers/

[Auggie21]

I just read a news update that the approximate age is three. I am sad to say that this may be a case where a parent or guardian dumped the body and there is no missing person's report that will match.

[Bobbisangel]

Yeah that is what i was thinking...every town and place has public access.

And I want to comment on what you wrote reb I would hate to give and perps a heads up or right and wrong ways, but I already think they are a step ahead of us. I mean there are so many missing people and noone say anything and lots haven't been found.

I think about Shasta and how lucky she was to have been put on tv and talked about. Because that obviously saved her life, by people seeing her face. I imagine Duncan isn't possibly the only perv to have possibly done this, what if it has been lots of times, where they take the kid or something to eat or a gas station but since some kids don't get any media attention they would have likely not have been noticed. But I totally get what you are saying.

It would be nice if you could get a 24/7 channel and like the poster above said have commericals for safety items also little type commericals for safety info, teaching kids what to do and things to do and all that. We always tell them when we hear something and when something happens but the could really get in depth. Teach them exactlly how to knock the tail lights out if they are in a trunk or whatever we could teach them.

Anything that could save lots of people would be great....


John Walsh and some female have a video/DVD out now teaching kids how to protect themselves. I've seen it advertised several times recently. If I had little kids I would buy it for sure. I think it runs around $20.00. I'll bet that he
would happily advertise his video/DVD on a program like that.

We really need a program like described. Society should be willing to do everything in their power to stop this madness as someone stated. Everyday it seems that we hear of another person gone missing...people of every age.
Scares the heck out of me and breaks my heart.

[fourboys]

Help sought in identifying remains

OCTOBER 11, 2005
By Bill Bird

<SNIP>
The body, believed to be that of a 3-year-old boy, was found at 4 p.m. Saturday by a man walking his dog along a creek bed, investigators said.

A sheriff's department's statement indicated detectives believe the boy was about 3 years old at the time of his death. He stood roughly 38½ inches tall, weighed between 25 and 30 pounds and had short black hair, according to the statement.

He was clad in a collarless, three-button navy blue shirt, navy blue pants and a nylon-cotton blend shell with a white liner, the statement indicated.
The clothing carried the Faded Glory brand and was in size 2T, according to the statement.

Additionally, an autopsy of the remains performed Sunday at DuPage County Coroner Peter A. Siekmann's office apparently failed to establish a cause of death. A message posted Monday on the coroner's Internet Web site indicated the autopsy results are "... pending further investigation."


Call for help

Those who know of a missing child fitting the boy's description are asked to call the DuPage County sheriff's office at (630) 407-2323, or its communications center, at (630) 407-2400.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/city/4_1_JO11_REMAINS_S1.htm

[Marie]

Wonder why they think he's 3yo when he wears a size 2T? My boys all wore 2T before they were 2yo. And the weight seems more like that of a 2yo. Faded Glory - is that K-mart or Walmart? They don't say what race or how long the poor little guy's been dead, but I hope someone out there know's of a missing boy!

[RPPaolin]

Wonder why they think he's 3yo when he wears a size 2T? My boys all wore 2T before they were 2yo. And the weight seems more like that of a 2yo. Faded Glory - is that K-mart or Walmart? They don't say what race or how long the poor little guy's been dead, but I hope someone out there know's of a missing boy!
Well my son is over 2 and wears 18 month clothes. He's just slender.

[mysteriew]

The age is usually just a guess-timate. In looking for matches to the missing give a wide leeway.

[Marie]

Yes, I agree it's an estimate and toddlers come in all sizes. Just wish the article had mentioned such leeway; such as ages 18m to 3.5y. I worry that the 'right' people won't be wondering about this boy (the article says 3yo, but a babysitter hasn't seen an 18mo for 3 days, for example). Still, perhaps the teeth or something lead them to believe he's around 3yo. I hate these kind of cases 'cause it's usually the parent - the ones who were supposed to love and protect him are most likely the ones who killed him and DUMPED his body. What a horrible life for some children.

[fourboys]

Prosecutor: Boy was murdered

Updated: October 11, 2005

DuPage County State's Attorney Joe Birkett says it appears that a small boy whose remains were recently discovered in a field was murdered.

The unidentified body was found on Saturday afternoon on unincorporated land between Naperville and Warrenville.

Authorities have not confirmed that the boy's death was a homicide, but Birkett said today that the child was likely murdered.

Birkett is asking residents to call authorities if they notice a toddler missing from their communities.

An autopsy has been performed, but the DuPage County coroner's office declined to provide any details.

The boy had short, black hair, weighed around 30 pounds and was wearing a navy blue collarless shirt and navy blue pants.

http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3967414&nav=7k7NJ1IJ

[Mom2threestooges]

I've checked my local news, and haven't heard yet if they have released this little boy's race. Is he caucasian? African-American? Certainly letting this information out into the public would greatly narrow down the search for this angel's identity.

[Bobbisangel]

That poor little guy. I can't stand to think of him laying out there all by himself like so much garbage to be thrown away. Just heartbreaking.

Sounds like his parents are involved to me. How else can you murder and throw away a child and not a word has been heard about a missing child of that child's age, etc. If these parents aren't guilty of murdering him then where are they. Why aren't they running around begging for help to find him and why no missing person report?

How will they find out who this little guy is? No dental records, no picture unless they can recreate his face. No fingerprints. Seems impossible but there must be a way. You would think a grandmother, friend, relatives, someone would notice that they hadn't seen the little guy in awhile and recognize him by the clothes he had on....approx age, height, and weight description.

I hope LE finds out something. This little should have a proper buriel.

[Marie]

From what I've read they're waiting for the autopsy to be completed before determining his race.

[HesterMofet]

Last I heard (I'm from the area) LE was looking for any missing three year olds from across the US. They found none fitting the description, so they were expanding it to 2 to 5 year olds.

Another possibility is that this is the child of an undocumented alien from Mexico or Central or South America. There are a lot of immigrants from those countries in this area.

[aussiegran]

Is there any more information for this poor child ,have they identified him,how can a 3 year old not be missed by someone .

[audrey77]

Yes, I agree it's an estimate and toddlers come in all sizes. Just wish the article had mentioned such leeway; such as ages 18m to 3.5y. I worry that the 'right' people won't be wondering about this boy (the article says 3yo, but a babysitter hasn't seen an 18mo for 3 days, for example). Still, perhaps the teeth or something lead them to believe he's around 3yo. I hate these kind of cases 'cause it's usually the parent - the ones who were supposed to love and protect him are most likely the ones who killed him and DUMPED his body. What a horrible life for some children.

Xrays of the skull and other bone structures for fusion can help determine age. For example- the three plates in your skull fuse together over time through adolescence- and the timeline has been vastly documented.

Last I heard (I'm from the area) LE was looking for any missing three year olds from across the US. They found none fitting the description, so they were expanding it to 2 to 5 year olds.

Another possibility is that this is the child of an undocumented alien from Mexico or Central or South America. There are a lot of immigrants from those countries in this area.

He probably hasn't been reported as missing... Hopefully and aunt/uncle, grandparent or other family member will- like Precious Doe.

[fourboys]

Facial Reconstruction May Help ID Boy's Body

State's Attorney: 'He Was Discarded Like A Piece Of Garbage'

UPDATED: October 25, 2005

CHICAGO -- The facial reconstruction of an unidentified boy who was found dead in a bag in a wooded area near Naperville earlier this month was expected to be completed within a few days, DuPage County sheriff's police said Monday.

The representation of the boy, whose remains were found near Ferry and Meadow roads in an unincorporated area on Oct. 8, was expected to be completed later this week, DuPage County sheriff's police spokeswoman Carol Roegner said Monday.

Roegner would not say what agency was assisting with the facial reconstruction and would not provide the results of an autopsy that had been performed on the boy, who police believe was about 3 years old.

DuPage County State's Attorney Joseph Birkett has said the starting point of the active investigation would be identifying the boy.

"He was discarded like a piece of garbage -- thrown away, and that certainly gives a strong indication that it was a homicide," Birkett said earlier this month. "There was evidence of concealment, which is evidence of a homicide."

The remains were found about 100 yards south of Ferry Road, and were likely discarded from a vehicle, Birkett said. He could not say how long the remains had been in the wooded area or describe the bag they were found in.

The boy was described in a sheriff's police news release as being about 38 inches tall, weighing between 25 and 30 pounds, and having short black hair. His race was unknown, the release said.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/5172688/detail.ht...994&dppid=65192 (http://www.nbc5.com/news/5172688/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=2265994&dppid=65192)

[Marilynilpa]

Facial Reconstruction May Help ID Boy's Body

State's Attorney: 'He Was Discarded Like A Piece Of Garbage'

UPDATED: October 25, 2005

CHICAGO -- The facial reconstruction of an unidentified boy who was found dead in a bag in a wooded area near Naperville earlier this month was expected to be completed within a few days, DuPage County sheriff's police said Monday.

The representation of the boy, whose remains were found near Ferry and Meadow roads in an unincorporated area on Oct. 8, was expected to be completed later this week, DuPage County sheriff's police spokeswoman Carol Roegner said Monday.

Roegner would not say what agency was assisting with the facial reconstruction and would not provide the results of an autopsy that had been performed on the boy, who police believe was about 3 years old.

DuPage County State's Attorney Joseph Birkett has said the starting point of the active investigation would be identifying the boy.

"He was discarded like a piece of garbage -- thrown away, and that certainly gives a strong indication that it was a homicide," Birkett said earlier this month. "There was evidence of concealment, which is evidence of a homicide."

The remains were found about 100 yards south of Ferry Road, and were likely discarded from a vehicle, Birkett said. He could not say how long the remains had been in the wooded area or describe the bag they were found in.

The boy was described in a sheriff's police news release as being about 38 inches tall, weighing between 25 and 30 pounds, and having short black hair. His race was unknown, the release said.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/5172688/detail.ht...994&dppid=65192Is there any possibility this is Erik Buran? He is 4, weighs about 38 pounds, is 3'6" tall, has sandy hair, so it isn't an exact match. But maybe his hair was dyed black.

[mysteriew]

Authorities say they have taken the first steps in trying to identify a little boy whose body was found earlier this month off a Naperville Township road.

While there are 700 to 800 boys across the US who were reported missing as toddlers, an official with the National Center for

Missing and Exploited Children says only about a dozen of them appear to match the dead boy's physical appearance.
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=4019619&nav=3w6o

[fourboys]

Police Use Sketch In Effort To Identify Dead Boy

Posted: October 28, 2005

Authorities on Friday released a forensic artist's sketch of a small boy whose remains were discovered in a field earlier this month and who police say might have been a homicide victim.

Photos:

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_301192328/lg

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_301192401/lg

The sketch shows a boy, three to four years old, with short black hair and wearing a navy blue shirt.

"We have spent literally thousands of man hours working on this case these past 21 days ... consulting with experts across the nation trying to find out who this little boy is and how he ended up dead and alone on the side of the road," DuPage County Sheriff John Zaruba said in a statement.

The sheriff's department said a cause of death was still under investigation and "the possibility of a natural or accidental death has not been ruled out." Earlier this month, DuPage County State's Attorney Joe Birkett said the manner in which the boy was found "would suggest a homicide."

The boy's body was found Oct. 8 on unincorporated land west of Chicago between the communities of Naperville and Warrenville. The body weighed 25 to 30 pounds and was found in a blue canvas laundry bag, police said.

Authorities said they have been working with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in an effort to match the boy's description with reports of missing children.

Police said an expert believes the boy is of East Asian or American Indian descent.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_301191959.html

[richandfamous]

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_301192401/lg http://kron.images.worldnow.com/images/4008852_BG3.jpg

I found this image on the Duncan thread http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31121 and when I saw this little boy I thought they looked alike. I don't even know if the ages are similar and I
haven't read the posts but pics looked alike to me.

excuse please.....

[mysteriew]

Jack Daniel Phillips at NCMEC?

[richandfamous]

Jack Daniel Phillips at NCMEC?

Well, after reading some posts on different threads I realize that websleuthers are on it already...I'm slow these days. Had to get a job and it's been hard to keep up...thx mysteriew!

[mysteriew]

Well, after reading some posts on different threads I realize that websleuthers are on it already...I'm slow these days. Had to get a job and it's been hard to keep up...thx mysteriew!

I am just making a guess. I'm not any good at this. Take a look and see what you think.

[mysteriew]

He was a little boy with a slight, toothy smile; large, almost pointed ears; and a halo of dark, wiry hair. His features may be East Asian or American Indian, possibly with some Hispanic heritage.

His decomposed body was found in a blue laundry bag on the side of a road in unincorporated DuPage County three weeks ago. Investigators Friday released a forensic artist's sketch of the 3- to 4-year-old boy in hopes it would help identify him.

"This sketch tells us a whole lot more," said Sheriff John Zaruba. "It tells us that this innocent child who once smiled and laughed has a face. And if he has a face, he must have a name, a family and maybe a neighbor or a friend.

"For now, we are his family, and this family is searching for answers."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0510290176oct29,1,343511.story?coll=chi-newslocal-hed

[Marie]

In the sketch it looks like he has almost perfect teeth, a very big smile.

[laini]

Anything new here?

[Norma]

Could his parent have been illegial aliens, so it might never have been reported?

[fourboys]

Police Hope New Sketch Leads To Boy's Identification

UPDATED: November 21, 2005

CHICAGO -- The DuPage County sheriff's office has followed up more than 100 tips in its investigation into the October discovery of the body of young boy found near Naperville, and on Monday it released a modified sketch of the unidentified victim.

The drawing was modified to show the 3- to 5-year-old boy with shorter, straighter hair to give his face a slightly different perspective, a sheriff's office news release said.

Detectives working the case have followed up on more than 100 tips since the initial sketch of the victim was released, but none of the leads led to the identity of the boy, DuPage County Sheriff John E. Zaruba said in the release.

The body was found Oct. 8 in a blue canvas laundry bag near Ferry Road and Meadow Drive in an unincorporated area of DuPage County near Naperville, the release said.

"We are again appealing to the public for help in identifying this poor child who was discarded by the side of a road as if he were a piece of garbage," Zaruba said

Sheriff's police deputies found the remains at about 4 p.m. Oct. 8 after a person came upon the body and called police, DuPage County sheriff's police spokeswoman Carol Roegner said at the time.

The cause of the child's death was still undetermined Monday, said a deputy coroner with the DuPage County Coroner's office who declined to be identified.

Investigators have already determined that the child was about 38 inches tall and weighed between 25 and 30 pounds, the news release said. An anthropologist consulted by detectives working on the case believes the ethnic origin of the boy is East Indian/American Indian derived from Hispanic or Tribal Indian heritage, the release said.

The boy was wearing a navy blue, collarless shirt with three buttons, and the size is 2T for toddlers. He also wore navy blue pants with a nylon cotton blend shell with a white liner. The brand of the clothing is Faded Glory, which is sold exclusively by Wal-Mart, the release said.

Investigators continue to work closely with the FBI and The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "America's Most Wanted" has the child's picture and information posted on its website and thousands of posters have been distributed nationwide, the release said.

Detectives are also awaiting the results of several, more sophisticated forensic examinations, and those results are expected before the first of the year, the release said.

Anyone who recognizes the child should call the sheriff's office tip line at (800) 669-7109, the release said.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/5376875/detail.html#

[mysteriew]

A modified artist's rendering of an unidentified boy found dead last month along a road in Naperville Township was released Monday by the DuPage County Sheriff's Department.

The major difference between the new sketch and the one released Oct. 28 to Chicago area newspapers and TV stations is the new rendering shows the boy with shorter, straighter hair, to give his face "a slightly different perspective," according to a written statement from Sheriff John E. Zaruba.

The boy's picture and case information have been posted on the Internet Web site of the television program "America's Most Wanted." Thousands of posters and fliers bearing the boy's likeness also have been distributed across the country, Zaruba said.

Forensic laboratory test results on the boy's body that could help advance the case also are due before the end of the year, Zaruba said.

The boy is believed to have been between the ages of 3 and 5 at the time of his death. An anthropologist has concluded he was of East Asian, American Indian, tribal Indian or Hispanic ancestry, or possibly some combination of those races.


The cause of the boy's death has not been determined. The DuPage County state's attorney's office is treating the death as a homicide, although Zaruba said last month the boy also might have died naturally or in an accident.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sketch22.html

[Mr. E]

The boy resembles one of the Fernandez twins.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/parent/fernandez.htm

[mysteriew]

Blown up copy of the sketch.
http://www.co.dupage.il.us/sheriff/death%20inv/do_you_know_this_boy.htm

Isn't there an anomaly about the teeth? Look at the teeth on the very right side of the mouth.

[concernedperson]

Blown up copy of the sketch.
http://www.co.dupage.il.us/sheriff/death%20inv/do_you_know_this_boy.htm

Isn't there an anomaly about the teeth? Look at the teeth on the very right side of the mouth.

What it looks like to me is antibiotics given in large quantities when someone is very young. It causes the porousness that is apparent.Usually, it is tetracycline.

[mysteriew]

A $5,000 reward is being offered for information that can help DuPage County investigators identify the body of a young boy.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=3704782

[mysteriew]

Authorities have found three Wal-Mart stores nationwide--including one in northern Illinois--where someone bought both a shirt and pants like the ones on the body of a little boy discovered in DuPage County two months ago.

The retail chain helped officials cull computer records of their transactions until they found where both items had been purchased together, said Detective Division Cmdr. Mark Edwalds of the DuPage County sheriff's office.

He would not disclose the other two locations, but said detectives are working with store officials at all three to see if they can track who bought the items.

If the articles were bought with cash, or if surveillance systems in the stores were not working at the time, it might be difficult for detectives to figure out who bought them, he said. And because the clothing is not sold as a set, someone could have bought the items in two different transactions, even though the boy was wearing them together.

"But we needed a starting point, and this is one," Edwalds said.

The sheriff's office also released a new composite of how the boy might have looked. It was done by experts at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which has been working with the county since the body was found. Authorities also are offering a reward--$5,000--for information leading to the boy's identity.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0512080241dec08,1,6250916.story?coll=chi-newslocal-hed

New composite
http://www.dupageco.org/sheriff/

[dannyodie]

Any idea who it could be?

Any young boy missing from the Chicago area?
this should be a very good example as to why a dna data base should be started in this country, if this was in place then dna could be compared to dna offered by his parents that would have been stored in the data base. this country needs it and the funding is already available.

[audrey77]

this should be a very good example as to why a dna data base should be started in this country, if this was in place then dna could be compared to dna offered by his parents that would have been stored in the data base. this country needs it and the funding is already available.

It would only be as good as the information provided... If it is provided at all... Unfortunately, this little boy's parents are probably NOT looking for him, thus not providing material for DNA typing...

[dulcinea]

My mother-in-law teaches pre-school in southern Chicago. I asked her if she'd heard any updates lately and she said no. However, she recently received in the mail a picture of the child asking her and other teachers at her school if she could identify him. She told me all pre-schools and daycares in the state are receiving the same picture. This case breaks my heart. I'm so relieved to know that police are still trying to figure out who this little guy is. I sure hope this effort pays off because I don't see this case getting solved any other way. There just isn't any evidence.

We haven't forgotten about you little guy. You're on the minds and in the prayers of many many people.

[mysteriew]

Thank you for posting that info Dulcinea. Somebody, somewhere knew this litle boy. I am glad they are trying the route of sending the info to the daycare's.

[rayray]

http://www.sun-times.com/output/news/cst-nws-metro11.html

Cause of Death ruled Unknown..
How sad.. I hope that someone, somewhere, recognizes this little angel and comes forward. I am hoping it was an accident, or an illness, and a parent got scared and not another parent who got tired of being a mom/dad.

[mysteriew]

Dupage County Sheriff's police are preparing to look at funeral arrangements for a small boy found dead along side a road in Naperville Township, now that a coroners inquest is complete.

WBBM 780 reports that a Dupage County coroner's inquest jury decided the cause of the child's death is still a mystery, officially listing "undetermined" on his death certificate.

There is an $11,000 reward for information about the small boy, his family or what happened to him.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_011095838.html

[strach304]

Has this pic been distributed nationwide? Wondering because Evelyn Hernandez's little boy was never found not that this child is him but a similar situation. It's more likely the child was from another country, not in school or daycare and never reported missing. Maybe they should try and match the child up with any Jane Does that could possibly be illegal immigrants no matter where they were found.

[PonderingThings]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/city/3_1_EL18_A4BODY_S1.htm
(http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/city/3_1_EL18_A4BODY_S1.htm)
Sculpture and new photo at link

[Alice253]

Such a handsome little man. I sure hope they find his family.

[Mr. E]

Mohammad Yousif Ibrahim Ali

http://www.icmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1002106&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_X1

Lorenzo Guimaraes Ayubo
http://www.icmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1011537&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_X1

[Mr. E]

Does anyone know the story behind this little boy? He is missing from the Chicago area; he disappeared as a baby, but his age-progressed picture resembles the DuPage County boy.

Ethan Hernandez
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=893367&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

[strach304]

Blown up copy of the sketch.
http://www.co.dupage.il.us/sheriff/death%20inv/do_you_know_this_boy.htm

Isn't there an anomaly about the teeth? Look at the teeth on the very right side of the mouth.

Mr. E, I brought this quote down for you to see because of the age projection pic you posted. Can you send this in as a tip? Doesn't hurt to try.

[Dena]

Come on Websleuthers, this one has kept me awake many nights -

http://doenetwork.org/cases/886umil.html

It seems that all leads have been exhausted, but I hate to think that.

[teonspaleprincess]

I feel the same way Dena, but I have a feeling unless someone who knows him comes forward, we will never know his identity.

[Dena]

I'm thinking about posting fliers to keep his case alive.

[FLMom]

It mentions American Indian heritage, but he could be the twin brother of my nephew. My nephew's biological father is from Central America. I'd post a pic of him here if I knew it was kosher to do so in this forum, so ya'll could see.

[Boyz_Mum]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gomez_angel.html

This child looks a little bit like the child on the link above- age and size seem close?

This boy was abducted with 2 siblings in IL in 2004.

[Dena]

The weight on the Charley site says 45 pounds, a little different than the our UID little man. I e-mailed the Sheriff here anyway, any lead is a good lead.
I'm glad I posted this here. I am not far at all from where this little boy was found. I can't explain how much this one bothers me.
The fact that someone can stuff a little body in a laundry bag and leave him out like garbage just makes me sick.

[Sable]

The clothes look like a school uniform to me. I would check for any children attending a private school, or any school requiring students to wear a uniform, that went missing around the time this little boy was found. I would also check with local private schools to see if there were any students who stopped attending the school after kindergarten.

There may be others, but here is a list of private schools in Naperville that I found:
Bethany Lutheran School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/BethanyLutheranSchool.html)
1550 Modaff
Naperville, IL 60565

Calvary Christian School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/CalvaryChristianSchool.html)
1155 Aurora Ave
Naperville, IL 60540

Du Page Montessori School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/DuPageMontessoriSchool.html)
24 W. 500 Maple Ave
Naperville, IL 60540

Kindercare Learning Center (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/KindercareLearningCenter.html)
1239 Rickert Drive
Naperville, IL 60540

Krejci Academy (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/KrejciAcademy.html)
619 E Franklin
Naperville, IL 60540

Meritor Academy (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/MeritorAcademy.html)
1190 South Naper Blvd
Naperville, IL 60540

Montessori Moppet Centere Inc (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/MontessoriMoppetCentreInc.html)
25 W 530 75th St
Naperville, IL 60565

Montessori School of Lisle (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/MontessoriSchoolOfLisle.html)
23 W 550 Hobson Road
Naperville, IL 60540

Naperville Montessori School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/NapervilleMontessoriSchool.html)
2936 Artesian Road
Naperville, IL 60564

New Day Montessori Inc. (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/NewDayMontessorIInc.html)
25 W007 75th Street
Naperville, IL 60565

Ss. Peter & Paul School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/SsPeterPaulSchool.html)
201 E Franklin
Naperville, IL 60540

St Raphael Elementary School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/StRaphaelElementarySchool.html)
1215 Modaff Road
Naperville, IL 60540

The Balkwill School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/TheBalkwillSchool.html)
25 W 030 75th Street
Naperville, IL 60565

The Skylight School (http://schools.privateschoolsreport.com/Illinois/Naperville/TheSkylightSchool.html)
1415 Bond St. Ste 147
Naperville, IL 60563

[Dena]

Do private schools provide the clothes? I read that the clothes were bought at a Walmart. Also, the age on him is 2-5, so there would be no kindergarten yet, or if he was just five years old, he may have started Kindergarted one month before he was found.

[Sable]

I've never attended private school, but when back to school season hits I see lots of stores like Target and WalMart carrying school uniform type clothing, so I imagine some schools don't provide the uniforms. Is it possible that preschool students are also required to wear school uniforms at some schools? I think it seems more likely in a montessori preschool, but I'm not positive about it. When I get home from work later tonight, I'll see what I can find as far as what schools require uniforms in the Naperville area.

[MissieMt]

Dena- since you are close to the area, do you know if the public schools also require uniforms? I know a lot of them are requiring them now.

[teonspaleprincess]

I've never attended private school, but when back to school season hits I see lots of stores like Target and WalMart carrying school uniform type clothing, so I imagine some schools don't provide the uniforms. Is it possible that preschool students are also required to wear school uniforms at some schools? I think it seems more likely in a montessori preschool, but I'm not positive about it. When I get home from work later tonight, I'll see what I can find as far as what schools require uniforms in the Naperville area.


My pre-schooler wears a uniform, and his was bought at Wal-Mart.

[Elphaba]

Do private schools provide the clothes? I read that the clothes were bought at a Walmart. Also, the age on him is 2-5, so there would be no kindergarten yet, or if he was just five years old, he may have started Kindergarted one month before he was found.


Most private schools have school emblems on their clothing (mainly the shirts and sweaters). Some years ago there was a wave of public schools that started making kids wear generic looking "uniform" typed clothing to school... Doe's clothing looks like that type. As for his age: he is well in the age range to be in some type of public school program... 5k is no longer the startup grade for kids... most public schools have a 4k... and some even have a 3k. (in our area, 3k is aimed at young children in low-income households, or kids with learning issues.)

[Bobbisangel]

For him to wear a size 2 top and a size 4 pants I would think he would be more like 3 yrs if that. Of course it would depend if he was big or small for his age but I think 5 yrs is a little old for this little boy. Most kids wear a bigger size pants them they do tops but even a size 4 pants would fit most 3 yr olds.

I don't understand how anyone could put their baby in a laundry bag and throw him away either. Regardless of how he died. I hope it bothers them day and night...but it is doubtfull. Everyone deserves to have a service and buriel. I just wonder who he is and if his parents were legal.

[Boyz_Mum]

For him to wear a size 2 top and a size 4 pants I would think he would be more like 3 yrs if that. Of course it would depend if he was big or small for his age but I think 5 yrs is a little old for this little boy. Most kids wear a bigger size pants them they do tops but even a size 4 pants would fit most 3 yr olds.

I don't understand how anyone could put their baby in a laundry bag and throw him away either. Regardless of how he died. I hope it bothers them day and night...but it is doubtfull. Everyone deserves to have a service and buriel. I just wonder who he is and if his parents were legal.

My boys all wore bigger shirts than they did pants, unless the shirts ran big. I think you are right about the age estimate, the sizes seem to be consistent with most 3-4 year old children, in my opinion. On the doe page, it notes that the death may not have been intentional, and I wonder if it would be known if the child had any type of illness at the time of death?

Dena, I wonder if you could answer an question about the area, in general? About the parents being "legal", are there migrant workers that travel the area? I am not familiar with IL in general, but while living in IA, there were a lot of migrant workers that traveled through to work in the area we lived. The only thing I have trouble with in regards to the migrant aspect is that I can't fathom anyone disposing of a baby in this manner.

I will continue to look for other "possible matches"- I can't imagine someone, somewhere not looking for this sweet young boy.

[Dena]

I am unsure about illegals, because there's really no way to know that, but there are a lot of Spanish people that travel to this area for work. I live in Carol Stream, right next to Naperville. Recently I was looking into the school my son will be attending in August and it stated the nationality percentages - white was 92% of the town, Asians were next in line, then Spanish, then African Americans. Not sure how accurate it is for the neighboring towns as a whole, but I would guess that this area is mostly white.
There are parts of Carol Stream that are more poor, and there are mostly Spanish living in those parts. A little South of me is West Chicago, which has its good and bad parts, same as Naperville.
Naperville is mostly known as a good town with little crime, same as Carol Stream.
If the parents of this little guy were illegal, I wonder if they would be able to put their son in a private school. My son is only 2.5, and to get him in a licensed daycare, they needed a lot of information from me. However, I am not too educated on the papers that illegals don't have that I do, to know the difference. They needed paystubs & IDs. I know when he starts preschool in August, they will need all those things plus proof of residency.
So, if the parents are illegal, I wonder how likely it would be that the parents had their son in a private school.
If there is no other reason they would remain in hiding, why has no one reported this child missing?

I also don't understand why they can not determine a cause of death. I have not read any details either on when they think the boy died, compared to when they found him.

Thanks everyone for all the great questions/posts. I have been wanting to talk about this little boy for so long but I thought it would be a dead end.

[Dena]

Also, from the redone pictures of him, he looks like a boy who was well fed. My guy is 2.5 and is in 3T pants and can wear shirts up to 5T without them looking too big. There are still times that 3T pants fall off his waist, but 2T pants are floods on him.
He is 36 pounds.

[spring]

you all are awesome! i haven't ventured far on websleuths yet, but it is great that you all are keeping these cases alive. thank you!

[Boyz_Mum]

I am unsure about illegals, because there's really no way to know that, but there are a lot of Spanish people that travel to this area for work. I live in Carol Stream, right next to Naperville. Recently I was looking into the school my son will be attending in August and it stated the nationality percentages - white was 92% of the town, Asians were next in line, then Spanish, then African Americans. Not sure how accurate it is for the neighboring towns as a whole, but I would guess that this area is mostly white.
There are parts of Carol Stream that are more poor, and there are mostly Spanish living in those parts. A little South of me is West Chicago, which has its good and bad parts, same as Naperville.
Naperville is mostly known as a good town with little crime, same as Carol Stream.
If the parents of this little guy were illegal, I wonder if they would be able to put their son in a private school. My son is only 2.5, and to get him in a licensed daycare, they needed a lot of information from me. However, I am not too educated on the papers that illegals don't have that I do, to know the difference. They needed paystubs & IDs. I know when he starts preschool in August, they will need all those things plus proof of residency.
So, if the parents are illegal, I wonder how likely it would be that the parents had their son in a private school.
If there is no other reason they would remain in hiding, why has no one reported this child missing?

I also don't understand why they can not determine a cause of death. I have not read any details either on when they think the boy died, compared to when they found him.

Thanks everyone for all the great questions/posts. I have been wanting to talk about this little boy for so long but I thought it would be a dead end.

You say that there are a lot of Spanish persons who travel to the area for work, do you mean in the migratory sense? The families I saw who traveled near us in IA, came from Mexico and traveled the US to work in different areas for the different harvest times. This was many years ago, so I don't know if it could even be relevent but I figured I would ask you about migrant workers. The workers who came to the town we lived, often had one or two women with them and sometimes their small children too. I am not sure how their travel is done today, but I had wondered who would dispose of a child this way, and I guess I was thinking along the line of a migrant worker because I don't know how it would be dealt with if someone on the trip passed away? (I am not "stereo typing" anyone in the migrant worker category, as most of those I met, observed were very family oriented...IMO.) I only thought along these lines because I want to believe that someone would be missing this little boy, like a grandparent, etc... and unless someone was very far away and unable to report him as missing is the only explanation I can think of for him being unidentified.

I have another question for anyone who may know, if a person is thought to be of hispanic descent, does that exclude Phillapino (sp?)? I have a friend who is Phillapino and she is of Spanish descent, but people often think of her as Asian or Oriental- I am not sure how this is handled as far as a legal description is concerned? I have gone through a lot of pages of the Charley Project and have seen a couple of little boys that look similar to "doe" and was wondering if Phillapino is considered hispanic.

Sorry for being so "wordy"- hopefully not to confusing to read!

[Cubby]

I live in the immediate area too, although a bit east and north of Naperville. My opinion, seeing many 1st generation immigrants in this area, is that many of them do not send their children to daycare or preschool. I see many families with either two families living in a home or extended family and a grandparent stays home to take care of the children, or the men in the household work two jobs leaving early in the morning and returning around 11 pm while the females stay home to care for the children. Also, my son attends daycare in the area and I pay 198.00 per week for dc. I'm not sure how easy it is to get dc assistance, but think those dc providers in the area which do accept assistance might be a good place to search. He may not have been noticed missing if his parents or family said they were moving out of the area. I think it would be difficult for an immigrant family to afford the cost of dc in this area without assistance. jmo tho......

I wonder if the parents or relatives of this little boy received WIC services (woman, infant and children ). That might be an avenue to search, but not sure how...... and if WIC workers did recognize him what kind of records they may have to remember a name.

[Boyz_Mum]

I wonder if anyone has the time or ability in the area to print a couple of posters to hang up in a local doctors office and or WIC office? (Is it legal to look into cases from that angle?) I am unsure of any other way to check into this because I doubt WIC could just give out the information about children in that time frame who were getting services? One other avenue could be to check in with local churches, most of the person's I know who are hispanic seem to be Catholic. (IMO...)

[gidget641]

First, I always try and check to see if this little boy has been identified because I too lived in Carol Stream when this little angel was found. (Dena-since you are familar with the area I lived in Klein creek condos over on Gary ave) Where I lived we did have at least 5 units that would have an increase in tennants come march and decrease in october. The one above me as a matter of fact.

Second people from the philippines are classified as west pacific asians. (however I know one family that if you did not know where they immigrated from would would think they were hispanic)

Third-faded Glory clothing does not seem to be consistant in sizing. One shirt that is a 2T may fit a child that is 4 or 5, and another style shirt that is a 2T may not fit even the most petite two year old. ( I have a two year old son and some of his walmart stuff labeled 2T is still too big and some has already been packed away) It would be much easier to assess this childs age if we had the measurements of the clothing.

Fourth-My hubby is the operations manager of a landscaping company. He employs several migrant workers. (all legal-and believe me immigrationg does check. They pull up with a bus first thing in the morning and check everyones paperwork-No papers=a bus ride home to mexico and a hefty fine for the company. Not to mention losing a day or mores work) He told me this morning that his "guys" that come seasonally from mexico alway stay with family. He has been in this business for 25 years and can not remember one guy that rented his own place. He says that the reason they stay with family is because they are trying to save on expenses. In other words it would not be worth it to migrate, if they had to pay to rent thier own place. They want to save the money they make to be able to make it thru the winter and to send home to other relatives.

[Boyz_Mum]

Thanks gidget641- you answered two of my questions. Also, I agree with you on the sizing of the clothing, not just with the brand mentioned, many sizes are inconsistent among the different labels, IMO.

[Dena]

I did hear back from the detective on this case. It is not Angel. Angel was found to be living in Mexico with his sister and parents.

I agree with the Faded Glory sizes. Actually, my son mostly wears 2 & 3T right now, but he still has a pair of 24 months that fit him good - they are Faded Glory. The sizes are definitely screwy.

[Dena]

I live in the immediate area too, although a bit east and north of Naperville. My opinion, seeing many 1st generation immigrants in this area, is that many of them do not send their children to daycare or preschool. I see many families with either two families living in a home or extended family and a grandparent stays home to take care of the children, or the men in the household work two jobs leaving early in the morning and returning around 11 pm while the females stay home to care for the children. Also, my son attends daycare in the area and I pay 198.00 per week for dc. I'm not sure how easy it is to get dc assistance, but think those dc providers in the area which do accept assistance might be a good place to search. He may not have been noticed missing if his parents or family said they were moving out of the area. I think it would be difficult for an immigrant family to afford the cost of dc in this area without assistance. jmo tho......

I wonder if the parents or relatives of this little boy received WIC services (woman, infant and children ). That might be an avenue to search, but not sure how...... and if WIC workers did recognize him what kind of records they may have to remember a name.

That was what I was trying to figure out. Our current daycare is $200 a week, which is not considered expensive for daycare, but average. When he starts preschool in August, we're still looking at $160 a week for before and after care, plus the annual registration fee ($1500) for preschool. Some of the Montessouri schools I looked into were $250/wk and up. I don't know if that's considered the same as a private school.
The average in the area for an unlicensed in home provider is about $135-$175 / wk. They wouldn't require any paperwork. It seems more likely the route that a migrant worker would go.

[raindrops300]

It is possible that the clothing, if it is in fact a school uniform, could have been purchased second-hand at a thrift store, not so much for a uniform, just as clothing. If his parents are migrants/migrant workers, money for clothing would be an issue. As far as daycare goes, some areas provide head start centers for the children of migrant workers and the ones around here do not require uniforms. Just a thought. You guys are doing amazing work on here.

[pedinurse]

I have a feeling that this is probably just "clothing" and not a uniform. It's my opinion from looking that here in the midwest that most kids do not wear uniforms, especially before kindergarten. Also, if the baby was being "hidden" in death I am sure that a uniform would have been removed (or at least, you would think).
What a pacific islander heritage? that is an interesting statement. that population is steadily growing, that is for sure!


Deidre

[Boyz_Mum]

Dena, have you any updates on this boy? I have looked through the missing children website(s) and haven't been able to find any more cases that seem to match in time, age, etc...

[mjak]

It does not say how long they believe this child has been dead. Were his remains skeletonized? It would be very helpful to know the approximate time frame for his death. when did Walmart sell the clothes he was found in.

mjak

[Boyz_Mum]

It does not say how long they believe this child has been dead. Were his remains skeletonized? It would be very helpful to know the approximate time frame for his death. when did Walmart sell the clothes he was found in.

mjak


All I have read about him is on the doe network page listed in the first post. I could be wrong, but I think Walmart may still sell the brand mentioned on the previous page?

[Dena]

Walmart does still sell the brand, Faded Glory. I know they were looking at transactions during the time those clothes were sold in the area and they came up empty.

You're right, we don't know how long the child had been passed. When I think of him, I think of the artist's sketch, not a skeleton.

I feel stumped. Somebody out there knows something.

[Rle7]

They don't know who he is or how he died, but DuPage County authorities say it's time to lay to rest a little boy found dead nearly two years ago.

The unidentified youngster -- whose body was found in a blue laundry bag abandoned in Naperville Township -- will be buried Oct. 15 in a donated grave at Assumption Cemetery near Wheaton, officials said Friday.

"It's a sad day for us. No one wanted it to happen this way," DuPage County Sheriff John Zaruba said. "But it's time to put him to rest."

Still, the investigation won't end with the boy's burial, Zaruba said, promising that "this will never be treated as a cold case."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/581077,CST-NWS-boy30.article

[LillyRush]

This is so horrible and oddly similar to the boy in the box way back in the 50s. I can't believe they can't find out more about this child with all the ways we have of tracking people down and analyzing crime scenes, etc.

[Angie4b1g]

I can't wrap my mind around a 25lb 5 year old. I wonder if he was abused/neglected.

[concernedperson]

I can't wrap my mind around a 25lb 5 year old. I wonder if he was abused/neglected.

That is what I am thinking and why no one has come forward. Thinking of Baby Doe and how that ultimately ended up charging the parents. LE is doing an extraordinary job of keeping the child in focus but someone else is not helping.There is someone who knows more than they are sharing right now and they need to come forward or they may face other problems when they meet their maker.

[teonspaleprincess]

My 5 yr old weighs 30 lbs. He is not malnutritioned, just tiny. He was a premie and just hasn't caught up yet. Maybe it's the same with this baby?

[Dena]

I started a thread about this too (in the wrong forum) maybe we can get them combined. I never knew there was a thread for him.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49309

[diamondgirl]

My 5 yr old weighs 30 lbs. He is not malnutritioned, just tiny. He was a premie and just hasn't caught up yet. Maybe it's the same with this baby?


Maybe if he's foreign to. You have to keep in mind our children are typically bigger.

[diamondgirl]

I started a thread about this too (in the wrong forum) maybe we can get them combined. I never knew there was a thread for him.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49309

There is some great ideas on this thread

[imthemom]

Maybe if he's foreign to. You have to keep in mind our children are typically bigger.

He very well might be from Mexico. My husband has three brothers that live in this area and it is mostly Hispanic. Maybe he was abused and the parents left him and went back to their country. Poor baby, I hope he is identified. The boy in the box case still bothers me, I always check the website for updates. I hope this doesn't turn in to a case like that one.

[IllinoisMissing]

Hi everyone,

I am new here - thanks Chico! I'm not sure that I'm posting this in the appropriate place and I promise to do better in the future if I'm not but I want to get this post up and viewed by you all.

As obviously you are aware from the rest of this thread - our little boy - Dupage Johnny Doe - will be buried on Monday - with his identity still unknown.

I am the Illinois Area Director for Doe Network. We have done a major press release both in English and Spanish this past week - trying to contact as many media outlets as we could find. The article in yesterday's Tribune was the result of that effort.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-schmich12oct12,0,2098514.column

One of our members, Theresa, also produced a video - which is heart-breakingly sad but I hope effective. It can be viewed at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jawz1JcGENw or at www.illinoismissing.blogspot.com (http://www.illinoismissing.blogspot.com).

I am asking each of you to pass the video to your friends, family any law enforcement or media contacts you may have. It is our hope, and the hope of law enforcement here that by some miracle the video will reach just one person - the one person that needs to make the call - to identify this little guy.

It is a good possibility that his family has left this area - perhaps for Mexico so if you have any resources there - that would be wonderful.

Thanks for allowing me access and I hope to be back soon.

Barbara

[Cubby]

Thanks for the information Barbara and welcome to WS. I'm very fond of Doenetwork and check it daily.....

Being from the "immediate area" though a little further east I wonder if this boys missing poster has been placed in the immediate and surrounding towns ethnic grocery stores. Several exist for the hispanic, asian and Indian communities (and maybe Aldi's as it is also used by the ethnic population) We had guessed earlier this might not be a boy in daycare... However, he must have gone shopping with someone.

I'm not sure of the exact location this boy was found in Naperville township, however, my thoughts are if this boys family was a little further north, south, or west access to more rural areas would have been an easier and more logical spot to leave him.

I wonder if having his missing poster at the above suggested places in the following communites might be a good idea, and whether or not anyone knows if this has been done.

Here are the communities which I think would be likely candidates.
West Chicago
Winfield
Glendale Hts
Naperville
Addison
Hanover Park
Streamwood
Carol Stream
Villa Park
The east side of Aurora

I'm not really familiar with the Downers Grove, Clarendon Hills, Willowbrook area's..... if anyone thinks these area's should be included.

My thoughts are the west side of Aurora, Elgin and Joliet it would make more sense to go further away from the metro area. I imagine this person was local, panicked and wanted to find someplace quickly....

Anyone in the duPage area willing to somehow coordinate picking an area or town, and going through the yellow or white pages to find these types of ethnic grocery stores.... and asking for permission to post his poster?

I also think seeing if we can post his information at the womans shelter in Wheaton, and anyplace locally that offered WIC or anything for the underpriviledge. DuPage has a site called CRIS which has lists of those things.

It might be a bit of a project, but I know we have a few "locals" or semi local here at WS... who could do this.....

Sadly, I thought of this beautiful little boy just yesterday as I ran around looking for an emergency vet yesterday to bring my cat, who passed at home. (she was 19). I drove all the way to Franklin Park, only to be a little late but found an open place in Elmwood Park. I couldn't even imagine.... and it was hard to hold back the tears as my 5 yr old was with me.

[Cubby]

I still owe an old friends dad a can of Old Style and a Cubs cap or something Cubs related in this same cemetery.....

I think my son and I will have to stop by and pay our respects with something Spiderman....

RIP little man....

[kaylenbabysims]

I dont know if this little boy was ever looked into.....

http://www.crimelibrary.com/missing_children/jesus_martinez.html

[LMax]

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=889
"The DuPage County Sheriff's office laid to rest one of their own recently. The burial was not for an officer or an employee of the office but rather for the officer's adopted son: "Johnny Doe."

[christine2448]

-------- Original Message --------

From: Cuecenter@aol.com

Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 9:51 pm

To: Cuecenter@aol.com


Authorities let go of body, but not of boy's life


Dupage Sheriff's Office composite of a boy believed to be 3 to 5 years old, found in a blue canvas laundry bag in a field near Naperville in October 2005.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/boy.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/boy2.jpg




Mary Schmich October 12, 2007 The detectives and the coroner will gather in the baby section of a Wheaton cemetery Monday to bury their nameless son.


He was 3. Or 4. Hispanic. Or Native American. Maybe Asian. By the time he was found, his body was too far gone to determine the color of his eyes, though it is known that his hair was black and the last shirt he wore was navy blue.


Whoever he was, he grew to be known in the DuPage County sheriff's office as "our little boy."


"We adopted him," said Detective Joe Del Giudice when I dropped by Thursday. "He has nobody else."


Del Giudice dug his hands deeper into his parka, shook his head. "Not having a name. That's what bothers me."


The boy's face -- his various possible faces -- lives on inside the sheriff's department. Two of his faces greet you on the lobby doors. Walk the corridors, and you'll see him in office after office, tacked to a corkboard, hanging on a file cabinet, in a frame on the sheriff's window ledge. The face reminds the officers of their own kids.


For two years, since the October day that a dog walker stumbled upon a decomposed body stuffed in a blue, canvas laundry bag and dumped in a roadside thicket near Warrenville, the boy's remains have sat in cold storage, waiting for someone to come forward with a lead that didn't fizzle.


There have been hundreds of leads. They came by phone and e-mail. They came after the boy's photo aired on "America's Most Wanted" and "Without a Trace."


Del Giudice and his partner, John Gradus, sniffed out possibilities from Chicago to the Wisconsin border. They learned a lot of boys look like theirs.


They kept searching. They got angry. They searched more. They felt sad. They waited, in frustration and astonishment. Didn't someone miss him?


"I remember thinking in the nice days of October 2005, it won't be long," said Pete Siekmann, the coroner, who keeps a picture of the boy on his credenza. "Some stay-at-home mom or grandma would say, 'You know, I haven't seen little Johnny down the street in a while.'"


Some people did get in touch, but it was never the right little Johnny.


At one point, Del Giudice flew down with the boy's skull to the faces lab at Louisiana State University. The experts there constructed a clay face and a picture from the clay.


But no one stepped forward to claim the boy with that face, or the one with the forensic artist's face, or the one with the computer-generated face.


Finally, the sheriff, the detectives and the coroner agreed that it was time. Take their boy out of the refrigerated morgue and lay him properly in the ground.


"From an evidence and scientific standpoint, there's no reason to delay anymore," said Major Mark Edwalds, who keeps the boy's image on his desk.


On Monday, they'll do what families do. While a bagpiper plays a tune and a girl sings "Lullaby and goodnight," and Deacon Andy, who ministers over in the jail, says a word, they'll lay their boy to rest.


He'll be laid out in donated clothes -- little slacks, shirt, tie, jacket, underwear -- next to a burial blanket someone offered as a gift. The casket is a gift, too, and the plot.


So is the headstone, which will carry no date of birth or death, just the date the body was found, and these words: Son/Unknown/But not forgotten.


In 31 years on the coroner's job, said Siekmann, he has encountered only four unidentified bodies, and none that feels this personal.


"You can hardly believe that it's come down to this," he said, "that a life comes down to this."


Burials are rituals the living conduct for themselves as well as for the dead. But when the officers and the coroner lay their boy to rest, they won't get full peace of mind.


They say this will never be a cold case, and they fantasize that on Monday out there in the Holy Innocents section of Assumption Cemetery someone will walk up and tell them who it is they're burying.


There's a beautiful video about this boy at http://www.youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jawz1JcGENw)






Monica Caison

CUE Center for Missing Persons

PO Box 12714

Wilmington, NC 28405

(910) 343-1131

(910) 232-1687 24 Hour Line

Email: cuecenter@aol.com

Website: http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/ (http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/)

[comfort80]

This actually brought me to tears. I have a 21 month old son, and I know it would rip my heart out if something happened to him. This poor poor baby. Not only was his life too short, there is noone to claim him as thier own, aside from the DuPage County sheriff's office.

Rest in Peace little one....

[christine2448]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1772863&posted=1#post1772863

Just ran across this thread here at WS...haven't looked to see if they line up yet...I remember posting 2 pics on this thread and when I saw the other thread it looked like it could be....I am going to compare stats

[Indigo]

This is heart wrenching...

I'm brand new at this, so I didn't know if anyone has ever considered this little guy as a match for Little Boy Blue. His name is Jose Daniel Castro.

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC957396c1.jpg

JOSE DANIEL CASTRO

Last Contact on 05/23/2001 at age 1
in the West Part of the Southern Lower Peninsula
Case Type: Family Abduction
DOB: Jul 25, 2000 Sex: Male
Missing Date: Apr 23, 2002 Race: White/Hisp
Age Now: 7 Height: 3'0" (91 cm)
Missing City: GRAND RAPIDS Weight: 30 lbs (14 kg)
Missing State : MI Hair Color: Brown
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Brown
Case Number: NCMC957396
Circumstances: The child may be in the company of his non-custodial father. They may have left the country and traveled to Mexico.

[gidget641]

Looks like they may have at least a little something to go on to help in the search for this little angels parents.

Study shows unidentified dead boy spent short life in northern Illinois

Authorities say they hope new scientific information may help them identify a young boy whose remains were buried earlier this year.

The unidentified little boy whose remains were found in 2005 inside a laundry bag dumped in a field on the outskirts of northwest Naperville spent most of his life in northern Illinois, authorities said Wednesday.

A study of oxygen isotopes in the boy's bones and teeth by a Canadian college professor who specializes in geochemistry determined the particular isotopes from the boy's skeleton matched samples taken from the tooth of a Naperville child.

The research further determined the boy's mother had lived in the south-central portion of Canada while pregnant with the boy -- likely Winnipeg, Sault Ste. Marie or the surrounding areas, said Henry P. Schwarcz, an emeritus professor at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who performed the study.

"Most of your body is made up of oxygen, and that gets into your bones and teeth, and therefore you have some records of where that oxygen comes from," Schwarcz said.

Over the course of 40 years, scientists have created a map of North America based on particular types of oxygen isotopes, Schwarcz said. While the map can't pinpoint exact locations, it can narrow things down.

Using one of the boy's primary molars, Schwarcz was able to determine that the child's mother had lived in a particular area of Canada or even possibly the Upper Peninsula of Michigan while pregnant. Because the tooth was formed in utero, it carries the mother's information.

An analysis of the boy's bone determined he had spent most, if not all, of his life in northern Illinois. Schwarcz said bones collect oxygen isotopes that act as geographic markers throughout a person's life.

More at link http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=85576

[SeriouslySearching]

That is a fascinating article! Here is another one which is a bit more detailed:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-babydoe_webnov29,0,6995280.story?coll=chi_tab01_la yout

[MrsBuckWeaver]

A study of oxygen isotopes in the boy's bones and teeth by a Canadian college professor who specializes in geochemistry determined the particular isotopes from the boy's skeleton matched samples taken from the tooth of a Naperville child.

The research further determined the boy's mother had lived in the south-central portion of Canada while pregnant with the boy -- likely Winnipeg, Sault Ste. Marie or the surrounding areas, said Henry P. Schwarcz, an emeritus professor at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who performed the study.

This is completely amazing!!! I wonder how common these types of tests are at this point.

[imthemom]

That really is remarkable. I have never heard of this test before now. I hope it helps bring some new leads. I wonder if there are certain ethnic group from the area of Canada that they may be able to narrow down what he race is.

[Indigo]

That really is remarkable. I have never heard of this test before now. I hope it helps bring some new leads. I wonder if there are certain ethnic group from the area of Canada that they may be able to narrow down what he race is.


Maybe Mik'maq or Maliseet?

[ladymemac]

Does anyone know how long this little boy was estimated to have been dead? I couldn't find that anywhere, and I've seen various descriptions of "partially" decomposed and "heavily" decomposed.

If anyone remembers reading about an estimate, please let me know.

Thanks,

Ladymemac

[marysawol]

I found this posting (dated August 2, 2004):

ford peak ware five year old male with a buzz cutt brown hair thin front teeth discolored slightly hyper personality and hasa speech sluring slightly City: boise Email: rcarmen@corr.state.id.us (rcarmen@corr.state.id.us) Entry #2519 added on August 2, 2004
I found it in this website: http://www.cyberpages.com/minidb?program=children&year=2004&month=8

I sent the person an email asking if they were still in search of this little boy, and if so, do they have a photo of him. I'll get back to you after I get a response.

Mary

[Cubby]

bumping so mods can merge threads.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30531

[Cubby]

[/URL]

bumping so mods can merge threads.
[URL]http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49309 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49309)

[believe09]

Walmart does still sell the brand, Faded Glory. I know they were looking at transactions during the time those clothes were sold in the area and they came up empty.

You're right, we don't know how long the child had been passed. When I think of him, I think of the artist's sketch, not a skeleton.

I feel stumped. Somebody out there knows something.

He was somewhat decomposed according to the other thread, not skeletonized. LE doesnt seem to be releasing a DOD estimate which is strange, and I didn't see a picture of the windbreaker he was found with?

[clemy]

I apologize if this has been mentioned and I missed it and you all already know about it... (I know there are been talks about this new technique.)

This is the same boy: http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/chi-babydoe_29nov29,0,4827013.story

[Cubby]

I apologize if this has been mentioned and I missed it and you all already know about it... (I know there are been talks about this new technique.)

This is the same boy: http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/chi-babydoe_29nov29,0,4827013.story


Hi Clemy, there are two threads for this young boy. I'm not sure why they were not merged but if you go back a few posts I linked the other thread.

[Cubby]

bumping to get this above the thread merged into this one.

[Cubby]

Since we mentioned this on the beloved doe thread, thought I would mention here too. The news show information etc. which helped ID Beloved doe has been sent to DuPage county via email.

Praying we learn your name too, and soon, little guy.

[barb0301]

Since we mentioned this on the beloved doe thread, thought I would mention here too. The news show information etc. which helped ID Beloved doe has been sent to DuPage county via email.

Praying we learn your name too, and soon, little guy.

Keep us posted on what you hear about this Cubby. would love to follow this and see what happens. It was a true miracle for Beloved Doe, after 5 years, 1 month and 11 days !!!!!!

[Cubby]

Keep us posted on what you hear about this Cubby. would love to follow this and see what happens. It was a true miracle for Beloved Doe, after 5 years, 1 month and 11 days !!!!!!


I will. I didn't expect and did not ask for an answer. I think the answer for the Dupage boy, like Beloved lies in getting his picture out to family. My concern is the Dupage boy is listed as possibly Hispanic, Asian or Native. IMO, he looks hispanic, and we don't have a Native community here in the area. ( I am in DuPage). DuPage, is always hush hush about everything and I am hoping and praying they try to pursue this avenue.

I will call either later this week or early next week and inquire again.

[Cubby]

It appears DuPage had already been in contact with Houston when they contacted Lois Gibson, the forensic artist which works with Houston, to draw the sketch for Johnny Doe.

I noticed this when reading about the most recent news with the Tionda and Diamond Bradley case. Just happened to notice Dupage Johnny mentioned in the following article.

From article:

Gibson has been called on to assist authorities around the country, including DuPage County, where she drew a picture of a little boy found dead in 2005. He remains unidentified.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/927594,CST-NWS-bradley02.article


Hmmm.... I wonder if sending Lois an email, similiar to what was sent to DuPage would be worthwhile. (If I can find an email for her)

[anthrobones]

Bumping up

[Cubby]

thanks for bumping this Anthrobones. DuPage is always really quiet on what is going on. Burkett, is running for office again, though he has lost quite a few times with most of IL being Democrat..... and Dupage has been republican since it's inception in the 1800's.

I doubt DuPage has forgotten this little boy, just nothing to report in the news yet.

I did send info to DuP' on how Houston solved the case for Beloved Doe. And I have found out that invision is aired on our local cable network Channel 4. I am hoping and praying DuPage takes Houstons lead and airs this little boy nationally. Though, I have no idea whether or not that program airs in Canada. which is where this boys mother is believed to be from.

Just a few days ago, I was talking about this boy to one of the owners of my sons daycare in Dupage.( we talk about the Cubs and WS stuff that I share) I was SHOCKED to hear he had never heard of this little boy. I had assumed ALL day care providers would have been notified.