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beesy
10-11-2005, 01:39 AM
Basic Defitions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia)
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-23519
http://www.msnbc.com/onair/nbc/dateline/amnesia/amnesia3.asp?cp1=1
A few links. It seems to me that TA is caused by a head injury. Your take? Have at it
Goody
10-11-2005, 02:08 AM
Basic Defitions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia)
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-23519
http://www.msnbc.com/onair/nbc/dateline/amnesia/amnesia3.asp?cp1=1
A few links. It seems to me that TA is caused by a head injury. Your take? Have at it
Traumatic amnesia without a head injury can be brought on purely by emotional trauma but it is extremely rare and generally does not last more than 6 months. One also does not weave in and out of it the way Darlie claimed. According to her, she was still have trouble at the trial, couldn't remember some of the witnesses against her.
beesy
10-11-2005, 02:43 AM
Traumatic amnesia without a head injury can be brought on purely by emotional trauma but it is extremely rare and generally does not last more than 6 months. One also does not weave in and out of it the way Darlie claimed. According to her, she was still have trouble at the trial, couldn't remember some of the witnesses against her. head injury or stabbing your boys...her defense sure tried to make it fit, but I don't think it does
Jeana (DP)
10-14-2005, 01:42 PM
Traumatic amnesia without a head injury can be brought on purely by emotional trauma but it is extremely rare and generally does not last more than 6 months. One also does not weave in and out of it the way Darlie claimed. According to her, she was still have trouble at the trial, couldn't remember some of the witnesses against her.
According to her, she's STILL having trouble. :waitasec: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :liar: :liar: :liar:
dasgal
10-15-2005, 12:24 AM
According to her, she's STILL having trouble. :waitasec: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :liar: :liar: :liar:
For someone with head trauma, she sure does have a lot of versions to the story, depending on who she is talking to, when, and what has been uncovered.
Goody
10-15-2005, 12:31 AM
head injury or stabbing your boys...her defense sure tried to make it fit, but I don't think it does
They tried to claim a head injury to make it fit, but the type of head injury it would have taken to cause a medical TA (which could be permanent) was just not possible in her case. There is no way docs could have missed that type of injury. The defense thought they could pass off a little tap on the head just by virtue of her claims later after the fact that she had a headache. That was supposed to compare with a head being smashed into a windshield at 40 mph. It was all BS.
beesy
10-16-2005, 02:59 PM
They tried to claim a head injury to make it fit, but the type of head injury it would have taken to cause a medical TA (which could be permanent) was just not possible in her case. There is no way docs could have missed that type of injury. The defense thought they could pass off a little tap on the head just by virtue of her claims later after the fact that she had a headache. That was supposed to compare with a head being smashed into a windshield at 40 mph. It was all BS. From what I understand..which is not saying much...TA caused by emotional trauma and becomes permanent is then called "repressed memory". And from what I understand about that is that all or most memories of the event/s are repressed. If Darlie had repressed memory then she would not remember most or even all of the things which happened. It seems to take years for the repression to kick in also. Molestation cases are a good example. As a child, if the molesting goes on for some time, it is certainly remembered from event to event. A 5 yr-old remembers what Daddy did last week or whatever. If it stops when a person is relatively young, then it can become repressed by the time one reaches adulthood. So to say Darlie had TA which has become repressed memory is as you said, more BS.
Goody
10-16-2005, 11:54 PM
From what I understand..which is not saying much...TA caused by emotional trauma and becomes permanent is then called "repressed memory". And from what I understand about that is that all or most memories of the event/s are repressed. If Darlie had repressed memory then she would not remember most or even all of the things which happened. It seems to take years for the repression to kick in also. Molestation cases are a good example. As a child, if the molesting goes on for some time, it is certainly remembered from event to event. A 5 yr-old remembers what Daddy did last week or whatever. If it stops when a person is relatively young, then it can become repressed by the time one reaches adulthood. So to say Darlie had TA which has become repressed memory is as you said, more BS.
Yes, but repressed memory has not even been proven to be factual. We don't know if it really exists or not. There had been cases of "repressed memory" that have proven to be "false memory" and not repressed at all. There is no way to know for sure if the patient is remembering something that actually did happen or if the mind is just conjuring up something to satisfy the need to find a repressed memory.
The only person I have ever heard refer to traumatic amnesia as a "repressed memory" was the other day on one of these cable news shows. I am not wanting to get too technical here because I am not an expert. What I know about traumatic amnesia I described in my previous post. If you want to view it as "repressed memory" I suppose you can, but I am hesitant because I have even less faith in it than I do the TA caused from strictly emotional shock.
beesy
10-17-2005, 06:18 AM
Yes, but repressed memory has not even been proven to be factual. We don't know if it really exists or not. There had been cases of "repressed memory" that have proven to be "false memory" and not repressed at all. There is no way to know for sure if the patient is remembering something that actually did happen or if the mind is just conjuring up something to satisfy the need to find a repressed memory.
The only person I have ever heard refer to traumatic amnesia as a "repressed memory" was the other day on one of these cable news shows. I am not wanting to get too technical here because I am not an expert. What I know about traumatic amnesia I described in my previous post. If you want to view it as "repressed memory" I suppose you can, but I am hesitant because I have even less faith in it than I do the TA caused from strictly emotional shock. No, I don't have any faith in it either...lol...I just find it interesting. Darlie has also said she passed out several times, once in front of a medic. He and Karen both have said she never passed out. Whenever they use hypnosis to evoke memories, I am iffy about it. When you can cause someone to "remember" alien abductions, there's cause to pause.
Goody
10-17-2005, 11:46 PM
No, I don't have any faith in it either...lol...I just find it interesting. Darlie has also said she passed out several times, once in front of a medic. He and Karen both have said she never passed out. Whenever they use hypnosis to evoke memories, I am iffy about it. When you can cause someone to "remember" alien abductions, there's cause to pause.
Or all those detailed accounts of past lives. Rarely are they ever proven to be factual, and even those very, very few that are factual cannot be specifically proven to be memory. It could be that one's 6th sense was tapped into and it is actually psychic vision rather than a past life memory. All that can ever be proven is that someone lived in that day and time according to the detail offered. So repressed memory that offers no supporting evidence that it is factual will probably be met with squinting eyebrows from Goody.
beesy
10-18-2005, 08:17 AM
Or all those detailed accounts of past lives. Rarely are they ever proven to be factual, and even those very, very few that are factual cannot be specifically proven to be memory. It could be that one's 6th sense was tapped into and it is actually psychic vision rather than a past life memory. All that can ever be proven is that someone lived in that day and time according to the detail offered. So repressed memory that offers no supporting evidence that it is factual will probably be met with squinting eyebrows from Goody. Funny, I believe in 6th Sense more than in hypnosis and repressed memory, etc. That reminds me, I saw an ad that the cable channel ABC Family is airing The 6th Sense this week. When did a freaky, graphic, violent ghost story become "family" entertainment?
I was watching "the practice" the other AM. One of the lawyers shot a man who had threatened her. She couldn't remember pulling the trigger, but could remember right before and right after. Guess what the Dr. said she had? Yep, "psychological amnesia" which is also known as TA!
SnootyVixen
10-18-2005, 01:21 PM
They tried to claim a head injury to make it fit, but the type of head injury it would have taken to cause a medical TA (which could be permanent) was just not possible in her case. There is no way docs could have missed that type of injury. The defense thought they could pass off a little tap on the head just by virtue of her claims later after the fact that she had a headache. That was supposed to compare with a head being smashed into a windshield at 40 mph. It was all BS.
Is this still talk about Darlie Routier? No body ever did claim head injure. Where did you read this Goody?
HeartofTexas
10-18-2005, 03:08 PM
I am here to tell you that there IS such a thing as repressed memory. There is also such a thing as body memories. I was sexually abused for many, many years and while I always remembered I was abused, I had forgotten many instances. Interestingly, I had also forgotten most of each instance... i.e., I would remember a few moments in the middle of the event... but never the beginning and NEVER the end. Also, I witnessed many traumatic events happening to my brother but have absolutely no memory of any of them. OTOH, many of the same things that happened to my brother, happened to me within minutes, and I remember most of that abuse as it happened to me. My brother was sent to an orphanage when I was 6 and to this day I have never recalled that event... but if anyone mentions orphanage to me, I start crying and shaking.
If repeated traumatic abuse happens to an individual an early age (and I'm not isolating that to just include sexual abuse), then the trauma alone can cause repressed memories to occur. It's simply a way to survive... you shove the memories as far away from your consciousness as you possibly can. I think it's incredibly sad that some unscrupulous therapists pushed retrieving "repressed memories" the way they did in past years, to the point that a whole movement sprung up claiming there was no such thing as repressed memories. OTOH, as I've said before, most people who are willing to sexually abuse small children are the very same people who would lie until the sheep came home about having done it... so it's never surprised me that there is an entire group of parents who have formed a group claiming their child had false repressed memories. I'm not saying every parent in the group was an abuser, but you can bet your bottom dollar that many were. The statistics, as we know them, on sexual abuse of children is so outrageous that it is appalling... and yet many people still want to believe that the children are making it up. But the statistics are actually much higher than anyone can prove because most children never come forward to report them. As the statistics now stand, 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused by the age of 18.
For anyone who doesn't believe in repressed memories, I suggest reading anything to do with Marilyn Van Derbur's (a former Miss America) abuse by her father, a prominent and wealthy Denver man. It occurred from the age of 5 (I believe) until the age of 18. In order to survive, she split off into day memories and night memories. It wasn't until her own daughter reached the age she was when her abuse started that she was able to start retrieving her lost memories...and it took many, many years for her to recover. At one point she even became paralyzed and couldn't move her legs.
Jeana (DP)
10-18-2005, 03:35 PM
I'm so sorry that you and your brother had to endure that abuse darlin. There is just no understanding how people can be so cruel to little kids. I agree that in that type of abuse, repressed memories are very normal. {{{{{hugs}}}}}
In Darlie's case, unfortunately for her, self-inflicted wounds don't cause it though.
HeartofTexas
10-18-2005, 04:57 PM
Yes, but repressed memory has not even been proven to be factual. We don't know if it really exists or not.
Thanks, Jeana, for the hugs! I will step down off my "repressed memories" soapbox now but mostly was just responding to Goody's statement as quoted above. Having experienced it for so long, and having retrieved many memories, it just makes me sad for people to not believe such a phenomenon exists.
And I agree totally, Jeana, that Darlie was never a victim of repressed memories or TA. The only thing she's a victim of is her own sins.
beesy
10-18-2005, 05:55 PM
[QUOTE]Thanks, Jeana, for the hugs! I will step down off my "repressed memories" soapbox now but mostly was just responding to Goody's statement as quoted above. Having experienced it for so long, and having retrieved many memories, it just makes me sad for people to not believe such a phenomenon exists.
Oh, Heart I certainly didn't mean to scoff at or make light of your abuse. It does become difficult to weed out the truths from the fiction for someone like me who has never been hypnotised or recovered any repressed memories. Who am I to say that alien abuductions are fake or past lives...I don't believe in them, but you never know. I was referring to those things, not sexual abuse or other traumas. People like Darlie are the ones who make TA or repressed memories or whatever it's called to be unbelievable.
HeartofTexas
10-18-2005, 06:08 PM
Don't worry for a minute, Beesy. Nobody owes me an apology. I'm not even sure if repressed memories are actually traumatic amnesia. I do know my repressed memories were caused by continual trauma, but I've never heard it referred to as traumatic amnesia. It's possible they came up with that term because the term repressed memories got so much bad press back in the 90's. I just wanted to go on record in the Darlie forum as saying repressed memories do exist... but there isn't a bone in my body that thinks Darlie has/had them. There's a huge difference between lying your fool head off and having repressed memories!
For all of you who are actually experiencing Fall temperatures, I just want to let everyone know that we are baking here in Dallas. Geez, it's October 18, and it hit 93 degrees today. Unbelievable. I hear we're cooling down to the upper 70's by Friday. Whoopie!
Jeana (DP)
10-18-2005, 06:34 PM
Don't worry for a minute, Beesy. Nobody owes me an apology. I'm not even sure if repressed memories are actually traumatic amnesia. I do know my repressed memories were caused by continual trauma, but I've never heard it referred to as traumatic amnesia. It's possible they came up with that term because the term repressed memories got so much bad press back in the 90's. I just wanted to go on record in the Darlie forum as saying repressed memories do exist... but there isn't a bone in my body that thinks Darlie has/had them. There's a huge difference between lying your fool head off and having repressed memories!
For all of you who are actually experiencing Fall temperatures, I just want to let everyone know that we are baking here in Dallas. Geez, it's October 18, and it hit 93 degrees today. Unbelievable. I hear we're cooling down to the upper 70's by Friday. Whoopie!
LOL We're supposed to have our pool finished this week. My kids are thrilled. 90s all week. :)
HeartofTexas
10-18-2005, 08:18 PM
Jeana, the weathermen are all saying mid to upper 70's by Friday, and low 70's over the weekend, and upper 60's on Monday. I hope the pool is finished and filled by Wednesday, or Thursday at the latest.
Mama-cita
10-18-2005, 11:09 PM
Jeana, the weathermen are all saying mid to upper 70's by Friday, and low 70's over the weekend, and upper 60's on Monday. I hope the pool is finished and filled by Wednesday, or Thursday at the latest.
Fifty degrees and falling here. I had to have my boys in winter coats so we could go to my nephews football game. Even then, their little noses and ears were cold and red. And the number one concession at the game was...
HOT CHOCOLATE! I am jealous of that heat y'all!
HeartofTexas
10-18-2005, 11:33 PM
Is everyone braced for the heat bills this winter? Arrrgggghhh! I can't bear to even think about them. I hope any of you that live in places where the winters are really cold aren't hit too hard by the increases. And Mamacita, the hot chocolate sounds pretty good right now... I'm so tired of the heat. It's been relentless for month after month.
Goody
10-18-2005, 11:54 PM
Is this still talk about Darlie Routier? No body ever did claim head injure. Where did you read this Goody?
There has always been a lot of talk by supporters that claim she could have received a head injury that went undetected by doctors and that could have caused her TA, but that is not possible because the kind of head injury required to suffer the brain damage that causes TA from a head injury would be significant. Definitely not something overlooked by doctors.
At trial, Darlie was evasive when asked about it. As I recall she said something about having a headache, as usual making the implication that MAYBE she had a head injury without really coming out and making a claim. If you want to verify that just go back and reread her testimony. It is in there somewhere. If it isn't, I might be remembering something the nurses said she said to them. I haven't reread the testimony in a long time.
Goody
10-19-2005, 12:00 AM
I am here to tell you that there IS such a thing as repressed memory. There is also such a thing as body memories. I was sexually abused for many, many years and while I always remembered I was abused, I had forgotten many instances. Interestingly, I had also forgotten most of each instance... i.e., I would remember a few moments in the middle of the event... but never the beginning and NEVER the end. Also, I witnessed many traumatic events happening to my brother but have absolutely no memory of any of them. OTOH, many of the same things that happened to my brother, happened to me within minutes, and I remember most of that abuse as it happened to me. My brother was sent to an orphanage when I was 6 and to this day I have never recalled that event... but if anyone mentions orphanage to me, I start crying and shaking.
If repeated traumatic abuse happens to an individual an early age (and I'm not isolating that to just include sexual abuse), then the trauma alone can cause repressed memories to occur. It's simply a way to survive... you shove the memories as far away from your consciousness as you possibly can. I think it's incredibly sad that some unscrupulous therapists pushed retrieving "repressed memories" the way they did in past years, to the point that a whole movement sprung up claiming there was no such thing as repressed memories. OTOH, as I've said before, most people who are willing to sexually abuse small children are the very same people who would lie until the sheep came home about having done it... so it's never surprised me that there is an entire group of parents who have formed a group claiming their child had false repressed memories. I'm not saying every parent in the group was an abuser, but you can bet your bottom dollar that many were. The statistics, as we know them, on sexual abuse of children is so outrageous that it is appalling... and yet many people still want to believe that the children are making it up. But the statistics are actually much higher than anyone can prove because most children never come forward to report them. As the statistics now stand, 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused by the age of 18.
For anyone who doesn't believe in repressed memories, I suggest reading anything to do with Marilyn Van Derbur's (a former Miss America) abuse by her father, a prominent and wealthy Denver man. It occurred from the age of 5 (I believe) until the age of 18. In order to survive, she split off into day memories and night memories. It wasn't until her own daughter reached the age she was when her abuse started that she was able to start retrieving her lost memories...and it took many, many years for her to recover. At one point she even became paralyzed and couldn't move her legs.
I agree that what you describe does occur. I have no first hand knowledge of it, like you do, but I am aware others have. I didn't mean to minimize it. I am sorry if I did. I was just trying to respond to Beesy's referrence in relation to Darlie's case. As we know, she was not a child and she did not suffer repeated abuses that could have traumatized her and repressed memories. My skepticism of repressed memory in general is based only on cases wherein there is reason to think maybe the therapist is behind the memory recall as opposed to actual events. But that, by no means, should minimize any real experiences by others whose memories are real.
Goody
10-19-2005, 12:02 AM
For all of you who are actually experiencing Fall temperatures, I just want to let everyone know that we are baking here in Dallas. Geez, it's October 18, and it hit 93 degrees today. Unbelievable. I hear we're cooling down to the upper 70's by Friday. Whoopie!
Does it snow in Dallas?
Goody
10-19-2005, 12:06 AM
Is everyone braced for the heat bills this winter? Arrrgggghhh! I can't bear to even think about them. I hope any of you that live in places where the winters are really cold aren't hit too hard by the increases. And Mamacita, the hot chocolate sounds pretty good right now... I'm so tired of the heat. It's been relentless for month after month.
Why doesn;t everyone list their state so it shows under their screen name? grrrrrrr......
HeartofTexas
10-19-2005, 12:10 AM
Yes, it occasionally snows in Dallas. Maybe once a year, if that often. It rarely sticks very long, however... but the kids love it! It's a big event when it happens. If it looks like the snow isn't going to melt by mid-morning, the schools close because few people in Dallas know how to drive in ice or snow.
Mama-cita
10-19-2005, 12:10 AM
Why doesn;t everyone list their state so it shows under their screen name? grrrrrrr......I'm in PA! But I lived in Knoxville at one time, doesn't get nearly as cold there! We are having a Geo-thermal heat pump installed. It's an expensive Mo-fo, but it will cut heating and cooling of our home by more than 50%, it is going to eliminate the need for gas heat and air conditioners. We'll see...
HeartofTexas
10-19-2005, 12:17 AM
My skepticism of repressed memory in general is based only on cases wherein there is reason to think maybe the therapist is behind the memory recall as opposed to actual events.
I agree, Goody, that there was much abuse of the "repressed memories" phenomenon. It hurt a lot of innocent people. Most of all, though, it diminished the truth, which is that far too many children are molested by trusted caregivers. Once the skeptics found a chink in the armour, they pounded it relentlessly in the press. For those of us who had actual repressed memories, it was very sad indeed.
Any repressing going on in Darlie's mind is self-induced!
HeartofTexas
10-19-2005, 12:24 AM
I've never heard of a geo-thermal heat pump but, if it does what you say it will, then I bet we'll be hearing more and more about them. Something has to give... I don't know how people on fixed incomes will ever afford the huge increase in gas to heat their homes. And there are many people not on fixed incomes that will have problems paying their heating bills this winter, too. I have a feeling our economy is going to be very badly affected by this... just wait till the stores aren't as crowded with Christmas shopping this year because people are too busy trying to pay their bills in order to keep warm.
Goody
10-19-2005, 01:14 AM
Yes, it occasionally snows in Dallas. Maybe once a year, if that often. It rarely sticks very long, however... but the kids love it! It's a big event when it happens. If it looks like the snow isn't going to melt by mid-morning, the schools close because few people in Dallas know how to drive in ice or snow.
Same here. Bridges in the outlying areas freeze up so any snow is pretty much a school closing. Sometimes freezing rain will do it too. It seems like we get more ice than snow, and that is a bummer. I would rather have the snow.
Goody
10-19-2005, 01:16 AM
I'm in PA! But I lived in Knoxville at one time, doesn't get nearly as cold there! We are having a Geo-thermal heat pump installed. It's an expensive Mo-fo, but it will cut heating and cooling of our home by more than 50%, it is going to eliminate the need for gas heat and air conditioners. We'll see...
What does a geo-thermal heat pump run on? Sounds interesting.
PA is really, reeeeaaaaaally cold! brrrr......
Goody
10-19-2005, 01:19 AM
I agree, Goody, that there was much abuse of the "repressed memories" phenomenon. It hurt a lot of innocent people. Most of all, though, it diminished the truth, which is that far too many children are molested by trusted caregivers. Once the skeptics found a chink in the armour, they pounded it relentlessly in the press. For those of us who had actual repressed memories, it was very sad indeed.
Any repressing going on in Darlie's mind is self-induced!
Exactly. And I agree that the people who abused repressed memory hurt many, many innocent people like abuse in most areas of our lives does.
beesy
10-19-2005, 01:24 AM
Same here. Bridges in the outlying areas freeze up so any snow is pretty much a school closing. Sometimes freezing rain will do it too. It seems like we get more ice than snow, and that is a bummer. I would rather have the snow. Yep, here too..we've been getting more snow in the past few years than ever before. Schools close for 2 days if there is even a bit on the road. We freak out if it gets under 20F around here, which doesn't happen often. My heating bills are much lower than my AC bill, so as far as that goes, I'm looking forward to it.
beesy
10-19-2005, 01:28 AM
I am here to tell you that there IS such a thing as repressed memory. There is also such a thing as body memories. I was sexually abused for many, many years and while I always remembered I was abused, I had forgotten many instances. Interestingly, I had also forgotten most of each instance... i.e., I would remember a few moments in the middle of the event... but never the beginning and NEVER the end. Also, I witnessed many traumatic events happening to my brother but have absolutely no memory of any of them. OTOH, many of the same things that happened to my brother, happened to me within minutes, and I remember most of that abuse as it happened to me. My brother was sent to an orphanage when I was 6 and to this day I have never recalled that event... but if anyone mentions orphanage to me, I start crying and shaking.
If repeated traumatic abuse happens to an individual an early age (and I'm not isolating that to just include sexual abuse), then the trauma alone can cause repressed memories to occur. It's simply a way to survive... you shove the memories as far away from your consciousness as you possibly can. I think it's incredibly sad that some unscrupulous therapists pushed retrieving "repressed memories" the way they did in past years, to the point that a whole movement sprung up claiming there was no such thing as repressed memories. OTOH, as I've said before, most people who are willing to sexually abuse small children are the very same people who would lie until the sheep came home about having done it... so it's never surprised me that there is an entire group of parents who have formed a group claiming their child had false repressed memories. I'm not saying every parent in the group was an abuser, but you can bet your bottom dollar that many were. The statistics, as we know them, on sexual abuse of children is so outrageous that it is appalling... and yet many people still want to believe that the children are making it up. But the statistics are actually much higher than anyone can prove because most children never come forward to report them. As the statistics now stand, 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused by the age of 18.
For anyone who doesn't believe in repressed memories, I suggest reading anything to do with Marilyn Van Derbur's (a former Miss America) abuse by her father, a prominent and wealthy Denver man. It occurred from the age of 5 (I believe) until the age of 18. In order to survive, she split off into day memories and night memories. It wasn't until her own daughter reached the age she was when her abuse started that she was able to start retrieving her lost memories...and it took many, many years for her to recover. At one point she even became paralyzed and couldn't move her legs. Thank you Heart for explaining this to me further. Like I said, it's very hard for someone like me to separate the charletons from the honest people. From what you are saying, repressed memory is often retrieved without hypnosis?
Goody
10-19-2005, 01:29 AM
Yep, here too..we've been getting more snow in the past few years than ever before. Schools close for 2 days if there is even a bit on the road. We freak out if it gets under 20F around here, which doesn't happen often. My heating bills are much lower than my AC bill, so as far as that goes, I'm looking forward to it.
One of these days Goody just might turn up in Virginia, Bees. I would like year round sunshine and temps in the 70s but not much chance of that on my budget. hahahahahah.
beesy
10-19-2005, 01:31 AM
[QUOTE]Don't worry for a minute, Beesy. Nobody owes me an apology. I'm not even sure if repressed memories are actually traumatic amnesia. I do know my repressed memories were caused by continual trauma, but I've never heard it referred to as traumatic amnesia. It's possible they came up with that term because the term repressed memories got so much bad press back in the 90's. I just wanted to go on record in the Darlie forum as saying repressed memories do exist... but there isn't a bone in my body that thinks Darlie has/had them. There's a huge difference between lying your fool head off and having repressed memories! I don't know if TA and RM are the same either. Either way Darlie is full of it.
beesy
10-19-2005, 01:33 AM
Speaking of all of this..has anyone seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? I really liked it. I was completely fascinated with the whole idea
Jeana (DP)
10-19-2005, 09:08 AM
Fifty degrees and falling here. I had to have my boys in winter coats so we could go to my nephews football game. Even then, their little noses and ears were cold and red. And the number one concession at the game was...
HOT CHOCOLATE! I am jealous of that heat y'all!
My son's football team is scheduled to be in a parade this evening. Its supposed to be 96. Poor kids. :o
Jeana (DP)
10-19-2005, 09:09 AM
Does it snow in Dallas?
We usually have more problems from ice. It won't be cold enough to snow, so we get this ucky wintery mix and then it freezes up. Roads are three inches of ice, tree branches and power lines break. Real mess.
HeartofTexas
10-19-2005, 09:51 AM
From what you are saying, repressed memory is often retrieved without hypnosis?
I'm only familiar with what happened to me. I never went through any kind of hypnosis. For me it was a long and arduous process of breaking down defensive walls built around my feelings. I think each child reacts to trauma differently... I was hypervigilant so retained many of the memories but had no feelings associated with them. As a child, I equated feeling my feelings with death, so had to split off from them. Once the feelings returned, various memories returned with them. However, no memories of my brother's abuse were ever revisited. They're still down there, hoping never to emerge. I feel certain I will never recover many of my memories and have been advised by many doctors to not try to coax them out. If I'm ever strong enough to handle them, they will come out on their own. In that sense, I will never fully be free of my past... but it's the price you pay in order to survive. To give you just one small example of the kind of memory I did retain, I was held down at age 4 on the railroad tracks by my father, with the train fast approaching, and told he was going to let the train run over me, because I was so bad. What I didn't retain were the feelings of horror that accompanied that trauma. Some 40+ years later, I was able to finally integrate the feelings with the incident, but it was one of the most difficult therapy sessions I ever experienced. Most of my doctors have said if that's what I do remember, it's best to leave what's not remembered alone. Some repressed memories will always stay repressed.
Is everyone braced for the heat bills this winter? Arrrgggghhh! I can't bear to even think about them. I hope any of you that live in places where the winters are really cold aren't hit too hard by the increases. And Mamacita, the hot chocolate sounds pretty good right now... I'm so tired of the heat. It's been relentless for month after month.
Look where my state is! I'm taking a crash course in igloo making.
I am here to tell you that there IS such a thing as repressed memory. There is also such a thing as body memories. I was sexually abused for many, many years and while I always remembered I was abused, I had forgotten many instances. Interestingly, I had also forgotten most of each instance... i.e., I would remember a few moments in the middle of the event... but never the beginning and NEVER the end. Also, I witnessed many traumatic events happening to my brother but have absolutely no memory of any of them. OTOH, many of the same things that happened to my brother, happened to me within minutes, and I remember most of that abuse as it happened to me. My brother was sent to an orphanage when I was 6 and to this day I have never recalled that event... but if anyone mentions orphanage to me, I start crying and shaking.
I am ever so sorry to hear what happened to you and your siblings Heart.
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I found this article on TA very interesting and it is talking about the FMS (http://www.patiencepress.com/samples/4thIssue.html)
Darlie's TA is the "I won't remember defense" nothing more.
beesy
10-19-2005, 07:39 PM
I am ever so sorry to hear what happened to you and your siblings Heart.
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I found this article on TA very interesting and it is talking about the FMS (http://www.patiencepress.com/samples/4thIssue.html)
Darlie's TA is the "I won't remember defense" nothing more.cami, thanks for posting this. It's great
beesy
10-19-2005, 07:44 PM
I'm only familiar with what happened to me. I never went through any kind of hypnosis. For me it was a long and arduous process of breaking down defensive walls built around my feelings. I think each child reacts to trauma differently... I was hypervigilant so retained many of the memories but had no feelings associated with them. As a child, I equated feeling my feelings with death, so had to split off from them. Once the feelings returned, various memories returned with them. However, no memories of my brother's abuse were ever revisited. They're still down there, hoping never to emerge. I feel certain I will never recover many of my memories and have been advised by many doctors to not try to coax them out. If I'm ever strong enough to handle them, they will come out on their own. In that sense, I will never fully be free of my past... but it's the price you pay in order to survive. To give you just one small example of the kind of memory I did retain, I was held down at age 4 on the railroad tracks by my father, with the train fast approaching, and told he was going to let the train run over me, because I was so bad. What I didn't retain were the feelings of horror that accompanied that trauma. Some 40+ years later, I was able to finally integrate the feelings with the incident, but it was one of the most difficult therapy sessions I ever experienced. Most of my doctors have said if that's what I do remember, it's best to leave what's not remembered alone. Some repressed memories will always stay repressed. Heart, I don't even know what to say. I know you're not looking for a pity party, but please know how horrified and saddened I am by what happened to you. I agree, why force yourself to remember any more horrid things? I can't imagine it would help anybody feel better about things. Some shrinks believe one can heal by remembering things. I like your doctors' idea much better.
HeartofTexas
10-19-2005, 09:14 PM
Thanks, Beesy. To be real honest, I now regret posting what I did. However, after referring several times to traumatic memories and/or abuse, I wanted to give you an example of the kind of incident I was referring to. I just didn't want anyone to think it was some minor little thing that I was overdramatizing. But somehow, reading my post again made me squirm... instead of seeming like an explanation of what kind of abuse I had trouble dealing with as a child, it seemed totally out of place. I totally apologize if I overstepped the bounds in any way.
beesy
10-19-2005, 10:43 PM
Thanks, Beesy. To be real honest, I now regret posting what I did. However, after referring several times to traumatic memories and/or abuse, I wanted to give you an example of the kind of incident I was referring to. I just didn't want anyone to think it was some minor little thing that I was overdramatizing. But somehow, reading my post again made me squirm... instead of seeming like an explanation of what kind of abuse I had trouble dealing with as a child, it seemed totally out of place. I totally apologize if I overstepped the bounds in any way. NO! You did not overstep anything. I'm sure it is hard for you to re-read your posts, but not because you told us, because it's awful. This in no way compares to you, but my sister recently told me a whole bunch of mean things she did to me when were little. Not abuse, just mean. I don't remember a single one of these things. Yet, now I know because she told me! She did that to purge herself. It wasn't for me.
Mama-cita
10-19-2005, 11:07 PM
What does a geo-thermal heat pump run on? Sounds interesting.
PA is really, reeeeaaaaaally cold! brrrr......
Sorry ladies, I know this is O/T but I wanted to answer Goody's question. A geothermal heat pump placed in the earth, well below the frost line, where the temperature is a constant 55 degrees. The earth's constant temperature is then pumped into the duct work of your home creating a constant temp. of 55 degrees. So you begin the process of heating and cooling your home at that temp, as opposed to the outdoor (air) temp which may be much higher or much lower than that. It is very expensive to install, but it eliminates the need for a furnace or an air conditioner. The pumps on the unit use electricity to heat the air, but it is like a system of boilers, it does not use much electricity. A 3000 square foot home can be heated and cooled for about $600 per year. (Like $50 per month). Plus, in my state, at least, the energy bill gives a tax credit to people who have this type of system since it uses NO fossil fuels to run. It has been around for a long time. IT's low maintenance. I can PM anyone some websites with more info if you are interested in learning more. Natural gas prices are expected to increase by 48% this year, so we're trying to get this installed in time for winter...
HeartofTexas
10-19-2005, 11:26 PM
Mamacita, that sounds very interesting. Thanks so much for explaining it to all of us. You said it's been around for a long time but I had never heard about them. I've read some really wild figures on how much heating bills will increase this winter... from 50% all the way up to 70%. I'll be fine because I happen to own land in another state that natural gas is pumped on, so every time the price goes up, my checks go up! For most of the years I've gotten royalty checks, I was paid at a dollar or less per million BTU's (or however they measure it). Just a few short months ago (July) they were only paying $6.50 per million BTU's. They're now paying over $14.00 per million BTU's. That will give you an idea of how out of control the prices are getting. I worry about the old people who can't afford these horrendous increases... and families on fixed incomes or low incomes. I'm thinking about finding an older person/couple in my city to help with utility bills this winter.
Goody
10-21-2005, 12:13 AM
I can PM anyone some websites with more info if you are interested in learning more. Natural gas prices are expected to increase by 48% this year, so we're trying to get this installed in time for winter...
Thanks, Mama. That was very interesting.
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