Homecoming Weekend

[Jenifred]

Just wanted to let you know that homecoming for Southern Virginia is this weekend. Since Janet and I are both alumns, just wondering if anyone thinks that Raven will be showing his face on campus this weekend. I really wouldn't know why since he NEVER GRADUATED from this place.

But things that I think are odd if he does show up are:
1. Like I said, he NEVER GRADUATED
2. Is he trying to get more sympathy mustered up from friends?
3. How is he paying for the trip on his part-time bike shop job?
4. Do you think that he will be visiting Janet's family, or letting Kaiden stay there while he galavants around, since they live within three hours of the campus (and a little side note, the cheaper flights fly into either Dulles or BWI which would be closer to Janet's family in Northern Virginia but for a few hundred more he could fly into Roanoke which is an hour south of campus and farther away from Janet's family)?

Does anyone think that he will make an appearance? Friends in the area beware!!

[Jenifred]

http://www.southernvirginia.edu/Calendars/index.html

Here's a calendar of the weekend's events

[ewwwinteresting]

Just wanted to let you know that homecoming for Southern Virginia is this weekend. Since Janet and I are both alumns, just wondering if anyone thinks that Raven will be showing his face on campus this weekend. I really wouldn't know why since he NEVER GRADUATED from this place.

But things that I think are odd if he does show up are:
1. Like I said, he NEVER GRADUATED
2. Is he trying to get more sympathy mustered up from friends?
3. How is he paying for the trip on his part-time bike shop job?
4. Do you think that he will be visiting Janet's family, or letting Kaiden stay there while he galavants around, since they live within three hours of the campus (and a little side note, the cheaper flights fly into either Dulles or BWI which would be closer to Janet's family in Northern Virginia but for a few hundred more he could fly into Roanoke which is an hour south of campus and farther away from Janet's family)?

Does anyone think that he will make an appearance? Friends in the area beware!!
I think he'll only show up if he thinks there is some way to get to that scholarship money! Maybe he'll apply and attempt to finish his education on someone else's dime....seems to be his MO.

[Jenifred]

I think he'll only show up if he thinks there is some way to get to that scholarship money! Maybe he'll apply and attempt to finish his education on someone else's dime....seems to be his MO.
I hope that there are definate terms of use for that scholarship--like female athlete or something that Raven wouldn't qualify for. Plus, doesn't it need time to mature or something? It can't just be set up six months prior and then expect to be used all in one semester. I think it needs time to acquire and endowment or something. I'm not good with the technical side of these things.

I wonder if Raven would feel some type of entitlement to that money, since it was money given in his wife's name. Gosh he's a leech, sucking until the very end of everything. I wonder too if his Utah soccer league wasn't a lame-a$$ attempt to condition for a men's college soccer team? Leech, leech, leech.

[terminatrixator]

I wonder too if his Utah soccer league wasn't a lame-a$$ attempt to condition for a men's college soccer team? Leech, leech, leech. Or it could be because he realized he looked like a 40 year old balding, pudgy man?

I doubt he would have the nerve to show up there, but maybe as a courtesy he was invited. I can't imagine him stepping up to the plate and talking about Janet though.

Maybe he can make a call out to ask the so-called burgler for whatever Raven may have claimed to be missing from the house, since we really don't know what was supposedly missing from the house. We do know how particular he is about property, Janets, his, real or imagined.

[tiffany]

I was at the SVU homecoming and Raven appeared with Kaiden. The nerve! He is probably just scoping out some freshman girls! When he walked through the door everyone was turning around whispering about him. Mostly all the students who knew him think he is guilty of murdering his wife...its so SAD, even people who were his friends believe he is at least capable of commiting murder. If he loved his wife so much why would he come back to the very place where they had so many memories together SO SOON? Everytime I have seen him he has been smiling and laughing...its just disgusting.

[ewwwinteresting]

I was at the SVU homecoming and Raven appeared with Kaiden. The nerve! He is probably just scoping out some freshman girls! When he walked through the door everyone was turning around whispering about him. Mostly all the students who knew him think he is guilty of murdering his wife...its so SAD, even people who were his friends believe he is at least capable of commiting murder. If he loved his wife so much why would he come back to the very place where they had so many memories together SO SOON? Everytime I have seen him he has been smiling and laughing...its just disgusting.
Thanks for posting Tiffany. Unbelievable....I would have never guessed he'd show up where Janet was so well liked. Sympathy is the only answer I can think of....unless there was money to be made!

[L L & S]

Am I an idiot or didn't I just read that Raven didn't graduate? Why would he show up? Did he think this was to pay tribute to his wife? I'm confused... I've had a long week... why would he even show up there? Can someone help me out here?

[altruist1000]

My guess for this appearance with child in hand is to use the child to bait some unsuspecting young female that doesn't know his history.

He's always looking for a meal ticket, this meets the MO.

Just disgusting & not surprising at all.

[guera]

Maybe he just happened to be in the area while "checking on the investigation"... UGH. Did he think he'd find his wife's killer at Homecoming?! I think one of the most frustrating things to me is the lack of Raven's outcry to find Janet's killer... and that he seems to be coping a little too well.

[Jenifred]

I'm sure he's got some friends in the area that he's staying with and convinced them that he's innocent. I wonder if he'll show up at church. And I wonder if the Christensens were there and got to spend some time with Kaiden. And if the Christensens knew Raven and Kaiden were going to be there. He's got some big pulsating nerve to show up at homecoming. But in all fairness, my husband (who didn't graduate from there but attended for a semester) once got an invitation to homecoming and me, the alumnus, didn't. However, I don't think that's the case with Raven.

One last question that I've got is do you think that he was somehow trying to coax the scholarship money out of SVU and into his own hands?

Raven, you are a pig in a cheap suit.

[tiffany]

Erica, Janets sister was at homecoming and received a special award for being an athlete who attended SVU all four years of college. My friend who attended the alumni soccer game (which Raven played in) said that Erica held the baby, Kaiden while Raven played soccer. I will try to get more info...hope this helps some.

[terminatrixator]

Maybe he just happened to be in the area while "checking on the investigation"... UGH. Did he think he'd find his wife's killer at Homecoming?! I think one of the most frustrating things to me is the lack of Raven's outcry to find Janet's killer... and that he seems to be coping a little too well.
Checking out the Investigation? The Murdered happened in Durham, North Carolina, not Virginia, so I guess checking out the investigation, is a no go, I heard rumors that he NEVER contacts LE to find out what is going on!

Can you say major Brass B@lls. I can't wait until they become COLD STEEL B@lls!

[SouthEastSleuth]

I'm sure he's got some friends in the area that he's staying with and convinced them that he's innocent.
This raises a question I've always wondered about - Raven's friends! Does he in fact have good, close friends? I realize people react differently to different things, sure, but where have these "friends" been all these months to defend Raven? Again, I know people do things differently - and perhaps Raven has even told his friends not to say anything - but I know if I had a good friend that I felt was being unjustly accused, of anything, I would be defending that friend every chance I got!! I wonder if these friends know anything more about Janet's murder than what they've heard from Raven. It would indeed be interesting for any and all of them, if they exist, to spend some time reading here - then see what conclusions they draw.

Raven's friends - if you exist, and if you are reading here - make yourselves known! Tell us about your friend. Tell us why you believe in his innocence. Tell us who you think murdered Janet. Think to yourselves: would I feel comfortable having Raven spend a night in my house? Being alone with my husband or wife? Being alone with my child? If in your heart you can answer YES to all these questions - then I implore you - read the voluminous pages of information gathered on this case. If we are wrong - tell us. If we are unfair - tell us. If we are misguided - tell us. But unlike some who have posted here - give us information...facts...evidence. Simply stating, "Raven is innocent" means nothing in a fact gathering forum.

[Jenifred]

This raises a question I've always wondered about - Raven's friends! Does he in fact have good, close friends?
I'm guessing, but I think that he's got people that he uses. People that he knows, out of the goodness of their hearts, won't refuse him a place to stay for the weekend. People that want to believe that there is good in everyone and that a Mormon man wouldn't kill his wife. I don't think that Raven would keep in touch with these "friends" on a regular basis, he'd just call when he needed something or to stop by when he's in town.

[ewwwinteresting]

I'm guessing, but I think that he's got people that he uses. People that he knows, out of the goodness of their hearts, won't refuse him a place to stay for the weekend. People that want to believe that there is good in everyone and that a Mormon man wouldn't kill his wife. I don't think that Raven would keep in touch with these "friends" on a regular basis, he'd just call when he needed something or to stop by when he's in town.
I would think that these "friends" would also believe that a Mormon man wouldn't have multiple affairs and commit felonies either though...:waitasec: I guess everyone can stick their head in the sand.

[ewwwinteresting]

Maybe he just happened to be in the area while "checking on the investigation"... UGH. Did he think he'd find his wife's killer at Homecoming?! I think one of the most frustrating things to me is the lack of Raven's outcry to find Janet's killer... and that he seems to be coping a little too well.
He Q...has there been any outcry in Utah about this case from the Abaroa or Bolton family? What do you think of the family? Is this something they would shove under the rug and not talk about or if raven was innocent be screaming for justice?

[LTUlegal]

I would think that these "friends" would also believe that a Mormon man wouldn't have multiple affairs and commit felonies either though...:waitasec: I guess everyone can stick their head in the sand.
Um...wasn't Mark Hacking mormon?:mad:

[Moxie]

He Q...has there been any outcry in Utah about this case from the Abaroa or Bolton family? What do you think of the family? Is this something they would shove under the rug and not talk about or if raven was innocent be screaming for justice?
That is a good point. It is almost as if they just want to sweep it under the carpet and move on, as if Janet never existed. If they truly believed Raven was not involved in any way, wouldn't they be devestated that their son had lost his beloved wife and mother of his two children????

[Moxie]

Um...wasn't Mark Hacking mormon?:mad:
Yes, but he at least had a strong family unit around him to encourage him to come forward and confess, to be accountable for what he had done. It doesn't make it any better, but it does say a lot for the ethics of his family that they would not condone or protect him after he murdered his wife.

[LTUlegal]

Yes, but he at least had a strong family unit around him to encourage him to come forward and confess, to be accountable for what he had done. It doesn't make it any better, but it does say a lot for the ethics of his family that they would not condone or protect him after he murdered his wife.
very true...I think in Raven's case, denial aint just a pretty river in Egypt!

[Jenifred]

Exactly Moxie. The Hacking family seemed try and find out the truth. The Abaroas seem to be simply relying on Raven's word (ETA--not a good idea).

BTW--I was told that Raven stayed at a local hotel while visiting VA. Which would mean that he would have had to rent a car? Interesting for a part-time bike shop employee.

[Moxie]

Exactly Moxie. The Hacking family seemed try and find out the truth. The Abaroas seem to be simply relying on Raven's word (ETA--not a good idea).

BTW--I was told that Raven stayed at a local hotel while visiting VA. Which would mean that he would have had to rent a car? Interesting for a part-time bike shop employee.
You are right. He seems to have a pretty good cash flow for a part-time bike shop employee. Hmmm...

[Jenifred]

Moxie--are you a Tom Petty fan (your title underneath your screen name)?

[Moxie]

Moxie--are you a Tom Petty fan (your title underneath your screen name)?
Yep! But really, that song just keeps going through my mind. I know LE is working hard on this, and that in the end, they will get their man. It is just waiting that is hard!! :)

[newkid]

has there been any outcry in Utah about this case from the Abaroa or Bolton family?
Butting in here, but there hasn't been a peep in the news or from the Abaroas/Boltons here. I hear from some of their neighbors that they think everyone is talking about them but no one has any idea why the Abaroas/Boltons think that. These neighbors did not have a clue about Raven's recent legal issues and had just heard that Janet had passed away, not that she had been murdered or that Raven was so close at the time of her death. I don't know if the Abaroas/Boltons think it will all go away if they pretend it didn't happen or what?!

[Jenifred]

Butting in here, but there hasn't been a peep in the news or from the Abaroas/Boltons here. I hear from some of their neighbors that they think everyone is talking about them but no one has any idea why the Abaroas/Boltons think that. These neighbors did not have a clue about Raven's recent legal issues and had just heard that Janet had passed away, not that she had been murdered or that Raven was so close at the time of her death. I don't know if the Abaroas/Boltons think it will all go away if they pretend it didn't happen or what?!
First, I think that it's a horrible that the Utah media never picked up on this case since there is another potential wife-killer in their midst now.

Second, if I were a member of the Abaroa family and thought that my relative were innocent, I would have been on TV saying so. So does this point to the fact that maybe the Abaroa's secretly believe that Raven is guilty? Maybe that's the reason for their silence. Could Raven's attorney advised him and his family to remain silent? Sure, but if I were innocent of a crime that I was the main suspect in, I would be screaming at the top of my lungs that I didn't do it. Every chance that I got. Now if I were guilty of such a crime too, I'd probably either shy away from the limelight or I'd get on TV saying I was innocent too. The funny thing about the general public is that they can form a pretty good opinion on their own. They go with their gut and usually their gut is spot on. Here my gut is telling me that Raven did it. Other cases, my hunch tells me differently.

Sorry, just rambling.

[Moxie]

First, I think that it's a horrible that the Utah media never picked up on this case since there is another potential wife-killer in their midst now.

Second, if I were a member of the Abaroa family and thought that my relative were innocent, I would have been on TV saying so. So does this point to the fact that maybe the Abaroa's secretly believe that Raven is guilty? Maybe that's the reason for their silence. Could Raven's attorney advised him and his family to remain silent? Sure, but if I were innocent of a crime that I was the main suspect in, I would be screaming at the top of my lungs that I didn't do it. Every chance that I got. Now if I were guilty of such a crime too, I'd probably either shy away from the limelight or I'd get on TV saying I was innocent too. The funny thing about the general public is that they can form a pretty good opinion on their own. They go with their gut and usually their gut is spot on. Here my gut is telling me that Raven did it. Other cases, my hunch tells me differently.

Sorry, just rambling.
JF,

You're not rambling at all. What you say makes sense.

[BirdHunter]

Yep! But really, that song just keeps going through my mind. I know LE is working hard on this, and that in the end, they will get their man. It is just waiting that is hard!! :)I love Tom Petty. And you are so right Moxie.:D

[ewwwinteresting]

Butting in here, but there hasn't been a peep in the news or from the Abaroas/Boltons here. I hear from some of their neighbors that they think everyone is talking about them but no one has any idea why the Abaroas/Boltons think that. These neighbors did not have a clue about Raven's recent legal issues and had just heard that Janet had passed away, not that she had been murdered or that Raven was so close at the time of her death. I don't know if the Abaroas/Boltons think it will all go away if they pretend it didn't happen or what?!
Thanks for butting in NK! Would the Abaroas/Boltons think that their neighbors are talking about them because they are hiding something? Usually people aren't paranoid unless there is a reason.....hmmm....wonder what their reason could be???:waitasec: Do you know what the neighbors think now that they know Janet was murdered and raven was home at TOD?

[newkid]

Thanks for butting in NK! Would the Abaroas/Boltons think that their neighbors are talking about them because they are hiding something? Usually people aren't paranoid unless there is a reason.....hmmm....wonder what their reason could be???:waitasec: Do you know what the neighbors think now that they know Janet was murdered and raven was home at TOD?
I know some think Raven is probably the guilty party, based just on statistics, the husband being the most likely suspect. The few I've heard from also are trying not to rush to judge either. They believe in an individual being innocent until proven guilty.

[terminatrixator]

Ah, Newkid, I know the old " innocent until proven guilty."

I'm not the Judge, Jury or the Executioner on this case, but guilty is guilty whether proven or not, and Judgment will come, obviously someone played executioner already with Janet, and Justice will be served, especially when This COLD BLOODED DOUBLE MURDER stands before God!

[snapple]

Yep! But really, that song just keeps going through my mind. I know LE is working hard on this, and that in the end, they will get their man. It is just waiting that is hard!! :)Are you sure?? I so want to believe this, but I am losing faith. I don't want to sound harsh, but I think the Christiansen Family needs to step it up and put pressure on LE. We all know the Abaroa's will do nothing, raven will do nothing, it's been toooooo long, it's time to be in your face, "I'm not going any where until I get some answers", massive media coverage..etc. I think LE is counting on the Christiansens to be passive and unquestioning. LE has botched the case, it's time to go else where(the media) and get some real answers or at least stir things up. I just don't believe that LE is just crossing their T's...IMO, they have screwed up the case and are just buying time. There is no valid reason that raven is still walking around if he truly is a POI...they just don't have evidence against him. PLEASE, PLEASE prove me wrong on this and PLEASE, PLEASE Christiansen Family, step it up and put massive pressure on LE, don't take unanswered questions..time is up for LE there needs to be an arrest.

[LTUlegal]

Are you sure?? I so want to believe this, but I am losing faith. I don't want to sound harsh, but I think the Christiansen Family needs to step it up and put pressure on LE. We all know the Abaroa's will do nothing, raven will do nothing, it's been toooooo long, it's time to be in your face, "I'm not going any where until I get some answers", massive media coverage..etc. I think LE is counting on the Christiansens to be passive and unquestioning. LE has botched the case, it's time to go else where(the media) and get some real answers or at least stir things up. I just don't believe that LE is just crossing their T's...IMO, they have screwed up the case and are just buying time. There is no valid reason that raven is still walking around if he truly is a POI...they just don't have evidence against him. PLEASE, PLEASE prove me wrong on this and PLEASE, PLEASE Christiansen Family, step it up and put massive pressure on LE, don't take unanswered questions..time is up for LE there needs to be an arrest.
I so hope you're not right on this. I'm starting to have my doubts of le, too. It's getting annoying at this point!! Do we need to go over & make a citizens arrest, or what?!
I keep wondering if they're afraid to make a move on this because of the whole Michael Peterson debacle, or what, but it's beginning to annoy me, as well.

[terminatrixator]

I'm still relying strongly on the wait for all forensics in this case to come through and the wait is for First Degree as opposed to 2nd or Manslaughter in this case.

[lauriej]

I'm still relying strongly on the wait for all forensics in this case to come through and the wait is for First Degree as opposed to 2nd or Manslaughter in this case.
..so am i, i've said it before---------LE is backlogged..waiting on forensics.....they're crossing their I's/dotting their T's ...before making a solid arrest.......

..but-----what if "T.V." ISN'T like 'real life' ??? on T.V. of course we see it all come together within the hour...........what if LE , in this case, completely dropped the ball early on in this case ? quite frankly, it scares me that they have been so silent for so long........because they have so much that they cannot reveal? or because they have nothing ?

.i remember being shocked that the landlord sold the house ---( the crime scene!!) SO soon after the murder...........

..i would LIKE to continue to put my faith in LE..........but, i wish they'd tell us something..........

[ewwwinteresting]

I know some think Raven is probably the guilty party, based just on statistics, the husband being the most likely suspect. The few I've heard from also are trying not to rush to judge either. They believe in an individual being innocent until proven guilty.
I'm trying to figure out how I would act if I knew a potential murderer moved back into my neighborhood....hmmm.....I think I would be pretty uncomfortable. Can you imagine if any of these neighbors have daughters? Yikes! Whether you believe in the innocent until proven guilty theory, I certainly don't think you would want to try that out with one of your own children. I am sure there are plenty of parents that wouldn't want their daughter (no matter how old she was) hanging around Joran or the Satish Brothers in Aruba -- even though they haven't been proven guilty of a crime.

Statistics show: raven is probably guilty of murder
All the rest shows: raven is not a nice human being

[newkid]

I'm trying to figure out how I would act if I knew a potential murderer moved back into my neighborhood....hmmm.....I think I would be pretty uncomfortable. Can you imagine if any of these neighbors have daughters? Yikes! Whether you believe in the innocent until proven guilty theory, I certainly don't think you would want to try that out with one of your own children. I am sure there are plenty of parents that wouldn't want their daughter (no matter how old she was) hanging around Joran or the Satish Brothers in Aruba -- even though they haven't been proven guilty of a crime.

Statistics show: raven is probably guilty of murder
All the rest shows: raven is not a nice human being
I don't think anyone outside his own family considers Raven a good influence and I don't know anyone who wants to spend time with him. I don't think there is much concern about Raven getting too chummy with anyone impressionable or vulnerable though because the Abaroas/Boltons are avoiding everyone. Also many people are familiar with Raven and don't like how he comes across as fake and superficial. Most everyone I know is trusting in LE and even if LE drops the ball, God won't.

[ewwwinteresting]

I don't think anyone outside his own family considers Raven a good influence and I don't know anyone who wants to spend time with him. I don't think there is much concern about Raven getting too chummy with anyone impressionable or vulnerable though because the Abaroas/Boltons are avoiding everyone. Also many people are familiar with Raven and don't like how he comes across as fake and superficial. Most everyone I know is trusting in LE and even if LE drops the ball, God won't.
NK, thanks for the information. You are so right with the idea that raven isn't going anywhere nice after he dies...I'm just hoping he pays for his crime here too.

I am wondering if the Abaroa/Bolton family were social and had friends before Janet was murdered? Is the way their acting unusual for them?

[Moxie]

I don't think anyone outside his own family considers Raven a good influence and I don't know anyone who wants to spend time with him. I don't think there is much concern about Raven getting too chummy with anyone impressionable or vulnerable though because the Abaroas/Boltons are avoiding everyone. Also many people are familiar with Raven and don't like how he comes across as fake and superficial. Most everyone I know is trusting in LE and even if LE drops the ball, God won't.
Amen to that.