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L L & S
10-16-2005, 12:20 PM
Hey you guys... if you have anything new to add... here's your invitation. Jump in. WS is a pretty awsome place to hang out and we could use all the help we can get sleuthing these murders.

~~~ Justice for Janet! ~~~

Jenifred
10-25-2005, 05:15 PM
There's four lurkers at this very moment. Hey, join in!!

terminatrixator
10-26-2005, 08:44 PM
I feel like Glenda the Good Witch of the North,

Come out, Come out whereever you are.....

I don't bite too hard lol.

Olivia77
10-31-2005, 03:45 PM
I don't count as a guest, but just started reading this board a few days ago. I am trying to catch up on everything, is there a specific thread that talks about the reasons Raven may or may not be guilty?

Janet was a beautiful woman, I hope there is justice for her.

terminatrixator
10-31-2005, 03:55 PM
Welcome Olivia.

There are so many reasons why everything points to only one perpetrator of this crime.

SimonSays asked once is there a book out yet. Not in a lighthearted fashion, I wrote a quick synopsis or short unfinished story of the case for him.

This was copied to General Discussion #7 by LaurieJ, post #11 ont his discussion.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31287

It doesn't go into all the twists and turns of the case, but if like Simon you are looking for a shortend condensed version, and I do mean this seriously, this hurt me to type, and hurt me more to read it in this fashion, because Janet is not just a girl, she was a beautiful woman that was brutally, senslessly murdered and taken away from her child and her family and her friends, and she had so much to offer the world because of the sickness, and evilness of P.Ness.

Take care, and welcome to the forum. Jump in anytime.

Olivia77
10-31-2005, 05:37 PM
Welcome Olivia.

There are so many reasons why everything points to only one perpetrator of this crime.

SimonSays asked once is there a book out yet. Not in a lighthearted fashion, I wrote a quick synopsis or short unfinished story of the case for him.

This was copied to General Discussion #7 by LaurieJ, post #11 ont his discussion.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31287

It doesn't go into all the twists and turns of the case, but if like Simon you are looking for a shortend condensed version, and I do mean this seriously, this hurt me to type, and hurt me more to read it in this fashion, because Janet is not just a girl, she was a beautiful woman that was brutally, senslessly murdered and taken away from her child and her family and her friends, and she had so much to offer the world because of the sickness, and evilness of P.Ness.

Take care, and welcome to the forum. Jump in anytime.
Thank you for your kind response. I will check out that link. I'm on page three trying to read forward and it's taking a while because there are so many posts and it's all so upsetting to read.

I look forward to learning more about Janet and the case in general, it's just too bad there has to be a case at all. :(

golfmom
10-31-2005, 07:42 PM
Thank you for your kind response. I will check out that link. I'm on page three trying to read forward and it's taking a while because there are so many posts and it's all so upsetting to read.

I look forward to learning more about Janet and the case in general, it's just too bad there has to be a case at all. :(

Oliva! I'm so excited to see you over here. PM or post if you have any questions ... I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to pitch in to get you up to speed.

One of my fondest experiences here at WS was going toe-to-toe with you in a very spirited debate.

Hugs!

Olivia77
11-01-2005, 01:40 PM
Oliva! I'm so excited to see you over here. PM or post if you have any questions ... I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to pitch in to get you up to speed.

One of my fondest experiences here at WS was going toe-to-toe with you in a very spirited debate.

Hugs!
Thank you golfmom! I was excited to see you here as well and very impressed with all of the information you have compiled! Ah yes, the old days, that was something wasn't it! Looking forward to catching up here and I'll definitely PM you with any q's. :blowkiss:

terminatrixator
11-02-2005, 08:33 PM
13 guests a lurkin', The Raven wears a Merkin.....

Ha, so anyhow come out, come out, whereever you are. I swear I won't bite....:eek:

Jenifred
11-02-2005, 08:38 PM
12 guests a'lurkin' as of my login. And a partridge in a pear tree too!

L L & S
11-03-2005, 12:25 AM
13 guests a lurkin', The Raven wears a Merkin.....

Ha, so anyhow come out, come out, whereever you are. I swear I won't bite....:eek:

LOL Trix.... I seriously doubt the Rav knows what a Merkin is. I bet he googled it. Ok just the thought of that made me laugh right out loud. :D

Malini2001
11-04-2005, 06:45 PM
I've been a lurker here since before there was a separate forum for Janet. I don't have anything to add, just wish the le would do something soon. If they had enough evidence against Raven I find it very strange they haven't charged him yet. I guess with the house not really being burglarized, a stranger isn't going to be a suspect. But could they possibly be looking in any other direction?

L L & S
11-05-2005, 01:00 PM
Thanks for checking in Mel.... happy to have your positive energy here also. I really don't have a heck of a lot to add either at this point... I hang around to see who's gonna poke the Rav with a stick today. Lot's of new nics showing up here and everyone is suspicious of everyone else. You can probably guess every time a new nic shows up there is a flurry of pm's ... do you know this person? do you think it could be a friend of the Ravs? did you look up their other posts? ..... and you bet I participate. It's the victims that we care about and it's the sleuthing that keeps us involved.

Thanks for chiming in. Any positive thoughts for Janet and her baby are welcome.

OriginalJerseyGirl
12-15-2005, 02:02 PM
We really need some fresh insight. The invitation for lurkers always stands. Please feel free to join us whenever you feel comfortable to do so.

mysteriew
12-15-2005, 02:39 PM
This is a guided invitation. If there are supporters of Raven, or even Raven himself who wants to speak up, please feel free. I have read here some, but haven't participated much. But if a supporter wants discuss details as to why Raven can't be guilty, PM me, I would even be willing to mediate. We can start a thread where no bird shooting is allowed, LOL. These guys talk tough, and they won't be easy to convince, but most are willing to listen to facts, if facts are offered. Is there any evidence that points away from Raven, any facts not generally known, that leads you to believe it wasn't Raven? Speak out now.
Can everyone here be in support of that?

OriginalJerseyGirl
12-15-2005, 06:00 PM
This is a guided invitation. If there are supporters of Raven, or even Raven himself who wants to speak up, please feel free. I have read here some, but haven't participated much. But if a supporter wants discuss details as to why Raven can't be guilty, PM me, I would even be willing to mediate. We can start a thread where no bird shooting is allowed, LOL. These guys talk tough, and they won't be easy to convince, but most are willing to listen to facts, if facts are offered. Is there any evidence that points away from Raven, any facts not generally known, that leads you to believe it wasn't Raven? Speak out now.
Can everyone here be in support of that?I support that 100%. I truly want to hear input from both sides. I can't stand that we're still nowhere after all of this time, and if that means that we have to start looking at other possibilities, then let's do that. Please ... let's discuss the case ... if there are avenues that anyone thinks are important to be investigated, a little push in the right direction is all we need. I, myself, am at a stand-still. I don't know what else to do.

mysteriew
12-16-2005, 12:41 AM
How about others. Can you all agree to a no shooting zone, for friends/relatives/supporters to post in?

OriginalJerseyGirl
12-16-2005, 08:39 AM
Our friends here are very passionate about the cases they follow but like you said, they all crave justice. No one here seems to be here for less than honorable reasons. My advice to new posters is to jump right in, stand your ground, and if someone seems to challenge you beyond your limits (I've done this once or twice myself :blushing: ), then state that you're no longer interested in that line of conversation and move on to something else. Please don't be frightened away. Nearly everyone I've seen on this forum is a good person and means no harm. We'd love to hear from anyone that has anything to say - whether it supports our beliefs or not. Please join us.

terminatrixator
12-16-2005, 09:43 AM
I think Mysteriew & JerseyGirl are making a valiant effort to get some discussion going here, and my two cents is, since it is quiet, the family & friends of The Raven, that believe in his innocence, won't feel the need to come over and start talking up his "innocence."

I will honor the requests, out of high respect for you both, since I have such a scathing attitude towards anyone that seems to even remotely suggest that Raven may be innocent, I will back away and not offer any opinions or scathing remarks and let you all discuss this in the manner you wish.

I myself, do not seem to think any Raven supporters will show up, but I do wish for the best, and hope that someone can come on and point me in another direction.

Thank you both so much for trying to get a discussion going.

In the end Faith and Justice will win out and there will be Justice in this Case.

Jenifred
12-16-2005, 03:09 PM
Trix,
Is that an early New Year's resolution?

terminatrixator
12-16-2005, 03:19 PM
I'll probably break it today, I feel a scathing song coming on!

Adding: My New Years Resolution is Patience.......and I started it quite a while ago...I think I've done very well, but it's wearing thin.

L L & S
01-02-2006, 01:18 AM
Happy New year lurkers are always nice. Howdy do! Don't be afraid to log on and say hi.

L L & S
01-28-2006, 06:24 AM
Here I go, hanging out here all night getting caught up again. Welcome to the forum RainbowsandGumdrops and reportergirl. I am so happy to see new insights and opinions and WELCOME anyone with an opposite opinion of Raven also. I for one have strong feelings that Raven is guilty of this crime, as you do Gumdrops. I've been following the case for a long time and have met a "few" people who say they know/knew Raven and Janet. I hope we are missing a HUGE piece of this puzzle and that Raven by some miracle is NOT GUILTY of this crime. (Trix don't jump my butt!! But stranger things have happened.) I can't stand the thought of him killing Janet and the baby because he felt trapped and that's how it's starting to look to me. He felt trapped by all the things that were going wrong in his world and the news of the new baby sent him right over the edge. That's just my opinion but if the soccer shoe fits...........

Anyway, thank you for signing up and adding your opinions. IMO, you are most welcome.

reportergirl I am sorry that you felt offended by some posts about Ravens family. I'm sure I've come down hard on them in some of my posts and if I was way off base then feel free to set me straight. I think some of the things that have been said were said to get a rise out of the lurkers who come here all the time to read but never offer an opinion or insight. Anyway your opinions are as valuable here are anyone elses and I hope you continure to post.

Time for some much needed sleep. Have a terrific Saturday morning everyone, I'm sleeping in!!:woohoo:

LTUlegal
02-15-2006, 12:24 AM
Change the name of this thread to SEVEN GUESTS A LURKIN!

Come out, come out, wherever you are! Whatcha' doin???:crazy:

BirdHunter
02-21-2006, 09:37 PM
Hey you two. Why don't you sign up and join in the conversation?

terminatrixator
02-21-2006, 09:39 PM
Cause it's so much easier to sit on AIM and whisper.:laugh:

BirdHunter
02-21-2006, 09:42 PM
oops...bye bye.:blowkiss:

guera
02-22-2006, 07:00 PM
Bump that up to TEN guests a lurkin... anybody got anything to add? Please??

JustJax
02-22-2006, 07:39 PM
Looky loo's will be here in abundance after Nancy's show tomorrow I would imagine...

Please join us with your input!;)

terminatrixator
02-22-2006, 10:31 PM
I'll be here..........but maybe I will just lurk lol.

JustJax
02-22-2006, 10:32 PM
Wowie, 12 voyeers tonight...come on, ya'll speak up!

LTUlegal
04-30-2006, 12:03 AM
There are quite a few visitors here tonite....come on out & say hello! :) We don't bite...much! :croc:

LTUlegal
04-30-2006, 02:12 AM
RAaaaaaaaven ...... you here???????


mmhmmm...bet you are.

L L & S
05-12-2006, 07:46 AM
Good Morning Everyone. Just wanted to wish everyone a good day.....

L L & S
05-22-2006, 12:01 AM
Good Evening Everyone! Stop by and say Hi. This is a pretty good thread for introducing yourself too. Only if you're up to it.

Peace!




Feel better soon Karmel Sutra Ice Cream. I'm thinking about you.

L L & S
06-13-2006, 07:26 AM
Good Morning JersyGirl......


A bright and beautiful day to you an yours.

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-13-2006, 08:33 AM
Good Morning JersyGirl......


A bright and beautiful day to you an yours.Thanks so much! And to you and yours as well, of course! :)

terminatrixator
06-23-2006, 11:05 AM
Wow 5 guests and just little old me......I seem to be a thread stopper, anyone have anything interesting to say about "The Rave" today?

So Rave...how's the bankruptcy going? You still working on Mountain Sports Gear? Question....how are you getting the equipment? You getting it from Canyon Cycles? Are you embezzling again, or are they willingly giving you the equipment and paying you under the table....You know you can only make so much without losing your social security. I love how you are making sure you work under the amount allowed to still collect your social security.

Oh boy, all of you that know what he is doing out there and know how he's scamming, will all feel like crap when he's eventually arrested for the Murder of his Wife and Unborn child, or will you?

You all need to start questioning yourselves. Why is it that this guy spends more time having fun than actually working. Why is it he has to constantly be busy, and how can he spend more time having fun and being a crappy father than looking for the murderer of his wife and child.

Oh that's right, it's law enforcements job. Well, think about this.....if this was your wife, your child, your sister, your brother.....What would you do? The same? Ehhhhhh, if your guilty you might. Think about it really. Think hard and take a close look at him when he's not looking. Does he look like the grieving widower, or a murderer...If you are completely honest with yourself, you will see him for what he really is.

Clearly Confused
06-23-2006, 12:51 PM
Wow 5 guests and just little old me......I seem to a thread stopper, anyone have anything interesting to say about "The Rave" today?

So Rave...how's the bankruptcy going? You still working on Mountain Sports Gear? Question....how are you getting the equipment? You getting it from Canyon Cycles? Are you embezzling again, or are they willingly giving you the equipment and paying you under the table....You know you can only make so much without losing your social security. I love how you are making sure you work under the amount allowed to still collect your social security.

Oh boy, all of you that know what he is doing out there and know how he's scamming, will all feel like crap when he's eventually arrested for the Murder of his Wife and Unborn child, or will you?

You all need to start questioning yourselves. Why is it that this guy spends more time having fun than actually working. Why is it he has to constantly be busy, and how can he spend more time having fun and being a crappy father than looking for the murderer of his wife and child.

Oh that's right, it's law enforcements job. Well, think about this.....if this was your wife, your child, your sister, your brother.....What would you do? The same? Ehhhhhh, if your guilty you might. Think about it really. Think hard and take a close look at him when he's not looking. Does he look like the grieving widower, or a murderer...If you are completely honest with yourself, you will see him for what he really is.:clap: Wonderful post!

curious1
06-23-2006, 03:47 PM
Hey guys. I have been away from websleuths for a bit. Got a little hot under the coller in another 'room'. Anyways, so do you guys really think Raven checks out and possibly posts here? I have been out of the loop. Any guesses on who he is disguising himself as?

terminatrixator
06-23-2006, 05:50 PM
Hey guys. I have been away from websleuths for a bit. Got a little hot under the coller in another 'room'. Anyways, so do you guys really think Raven checks out and possibly posts here? I have been out of the loop. Any guesses on who he is disguising himself as?
LOL...Oh I'm pretty sure he checks us out every opportunity he gets. Do I have an idea of who he is....he doesn't have his own name here that I know of, but I think he uses someone's name, but that's between the birds.

Great to see you around again, missing Golfmom, but I know it's a busy time of the year for her.

LTUlegal
06-24-2006, 01:29 AM
Oh yeah, I think the rave checks in & reads from time to time. If we can ruffle his feathers, so be it. Janet's murder deserves some resolution.

OriginalJerseyGirl
06-24-2006, 09:25 AM
I also believe 100% that Raven reads here, and I believe that some of his family does as well.

terminatrixator
06-24-2006, 12:27 PM
I also believe 100% that Raven reads here, and I believe that some of his family does as well. Yep, and I'm sure were just a bad guy that don't know Raven and we are just mean and spiteful and we want to blame anyone for Janet's death and he's the easiest choice and we have nothing better to do than to try to make his life miserable. Oh he's suffering so bad because of his wife's death......while he's out biking and going on trips and dating and scamming the government and not being a responsible citizen.

If you are friends or relatives with Raven, seriously look at everything clearly.

What does any of us have to gain by thinking Raven did it. NOTHING.

We want the real murderer put away so they can't hurt again. I don't want anything pinned on him, I want the REAL MURDERER behind bars. That person, in my 100% belief is the one and only Rave.

How do you explain his actions, inactions, his lies, his affairs. If you believe that he had ONE AFFAIR, and ONE AFFAIR on Janet only and he atoned for that mistake you are seriously deluded.

If you think that he is not the person who murdered Janet then you are doubly deluded.

If you think he is being persecuted online, stop and think for a moment about Janet. If he whines even once about us here at Websleuths, which he did in the newspaper article, then stop and think about this.

His wife and unborn child was murdered. What difference does a bunch of people online stating their opinions make when the fact remains YOUR WIFE AND UNBORN CHILD WAS MURDERED. I would think he would have more important things to think about -- like Kaiden or finding out who murdered Janet and his unborn child than whining about us, but he did in the newspaper article. That disgusted me!

Janet was in her home, she was stabbed, while Kaiden lay in that crib. Nobody broke in, NOTHING was missing but the laptop, the weapon and the knife collection he had.

He had been investigated earlier and LE took his laptop. Why would that be missing???? Why was there money, valuables, Janet's jewelry still there. If you are going to spend your time murdering someone, going after a laptop, that you have to grab and get out of the house, leaving absolutely no clues....that is a crock of crap, you know it, face it.

The only person who could have done this and would have done this is Raven.

Raven is a sociopath look up the definition, look at him, seriously without your rose colored glasses on. Look at how he is fake, fraudulent, look at the lies he has spewed.

How can you actually not think he had nothing to do with this. Why would he tell people Janet committed suicide when he KNEW SHE WAS MURDERED???? How can he tell people she was hurt, then shot, warm then cold.

Seriously, your friend, your relative is a murderer and is conning you all.

I am sure so many of you love him, but remember Janet, did she deserve this? Did she deserve to die a brutal death? What did she do to deserve this? Does Kaiden deserve to grow up knowing his Mother was brutally murdered, that he had a sibling on the way and that his sibling was murdered? Does he deserve to grow up without a Mother.

So you may be thinking, well does he deserve to grow up without a father too. Any man that can brutally take his wife and unborn child's life deserves to be put away forever and Kaiden is not safe with a man that thinks so little of life that his life is more important than his own childs.

Pookie
07-27-2006, 12:52 PM
Hi there! I haven't been here long at all - I got started by looking at cold case stuff and ended up here by following a link in somebody's (sorry - I really don't remember who) siggy...

I really don't have anything to add - I'm still going backwards from the beginning trying to get a handle on things.

I just thought I would jump in here and add my very own..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: as there seems to be a lot of this going around! :laugh:

Clearly Confused
07-27-2006, 01:47 PM
Hi there! I haven't been here long at all - I got started by looking at cold case stuff and ended up here by following a link in somebody's (sorry - I really don't remember who) siggy...

I really don't have anything to add - I'm still going backwards from the beginning trying to get a handle on things.

I just thought I would jump in here and add my very own..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: as there seems to be a lot of this going around! :laugh:
Hi Pookie,

Welcome! We are all :banghead: on this one.

OriginalJerseyGirl
07-27-2006, 04:32 PM
So nice to see a new name! Welcome, Pookie - I hope you'll stick around with us! :)

curious1
07-27-2006, 04:48 PM
This is definetely one of those :banghead: cases. I live in NC and grew up near Durham and all the inaction I am seeing on this drives me :crazy: , but it does not surprise me. If you want to get away with murder I suggest Durham, NC or Boulder, CO.

curious1
07-27-2006, 04:49 PM
I almost forgot.....http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/wave1.gifHi Raven and/or family. You coward(s).

terminatrixator
07-27-2006, 09:31 PM
Welcome Pookie, there is a lot of :doh: but the thing I'm waiting for is :behindbar

I watch the video's of Raven and Janet at Christmas, I watch the buckknife video, I watch the Memorial Video and I come here and there's not much going on.

I am still here, still looking whatever I can up on Raven and I'm praying daily that Durham LE and Mike Nifong make some sort of move to get the perpetrator of this crime behind bars.

Raven's bankruptcy should be up for hearing soon, I'm guessing August, but I haven't seen anything yet regarding it.

I cannot believe that this murderer is out walking the street. I cannot believe that everything seems to be going Raven's way.

How can it be, it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever that he hasn't been arrested yet.

I do believe he will be arrested though and that's the important thing. Some day he will pay for his crimes of murder against his wife and unborn child.

juliagoulia
08-30-2006, 01:17 AM
5 guests "lurking" at these wee hours. Yep, no one is forgetting this case Raven. Don't get too comfortable...

Moxie
09-02-2006, 07:28 PM
Raven thinks he can move on with his life and that Janet will be forgotten. The unfortunate thing for Raven is that Janet will not be forgotten, and Raven will never truly be able to relax and hope the case will just go away. So strange as it sounds, I feel a little sorry for Raven. He's set up a scenario for himself where he will never have peace. Not the best way to live a life.

terminatrixator
09-04-2006, 09:58 AM
Still here myself, he may be able to move on with his life, but we're moving along with him and will be right there when the day comes that life as he knows it, freedom, fun, frolicking and the farce is over.

Justice for Janet and her unborn child is way too important to ever forget about and none of us will.

Justice4Jack
09-04-2006, 10:24 AM
I have noticed myself all about "lurkers!" I believe Raven, and my brothers murderer are keeping tabs on our posts, not to mention LE...How ironic they would monitor us, when killers walk free!!! The LE and DA are as corrupt as the Taliban, but not as smart!!!!!
I KNOW this for a FACT, as I am dealing with the same officers!!!!! Janet was murdered 3 weeks after my brother, and I have hounded them for facts, so I am sure they are watchers too!!!!
Let them!!!! Let them know we are united here!!! That we are NOT fools!!!
If we as citizens can figure these things out, they can too, but are too inept and don't care!!!!
They want to give the elusion that Durham is a safe, and great place to live, HA!!! Just as long as you don't DIE there!!!!!
I am FINALLY getting help, and when this all comes out, I will not forget Janet too!!!!
Not only do I want the murderer's to be punished, but also the LE involved!!!!

The "media," has no idea of how corrupt Durham is, but WILL know soon!!!!

I will voice my opinion, speak of facts, and beg for laws to be changed, and for LE to be held accountable for their blatant disregard to solve murders, instead of attention being solely about the Duke rape.....

So, to the "lurkers," out here, know your time is coming, and the clock is ticking!!!!!!

Rhonda

http://community.webtv.net/RhondaFleming/InLovingMemory/

L L & S
09-06-2006, 04:58 PM
He's (Raven) set up a scenario for himself where he will never have peace.
I wonder if Raven becomes more uneasy when it becomes quiet around these threads? Does he ever wonder what it is we are discussing through PMs? And who we discuss things with? I know this is probably going to get me in trouble for mentioning but R you have to be wondering what else we know, and discuss in private and through emails. I know I'm not letting anything out of the "bag" but seriously, you can't believe that there aren't some of us here who will never let this go. If you started feeling comfy 'cause posting of new information and topics of discussions have slowed down..... maybe you should ask yourself this.... where ARE we gathering to share informtion? You don't really believe anyone has given up or moved on do you? And you might wonder also who asked me to post this to you here and why today?

Justice4Jack
09-06-2006, 06:21 PM
We KNOW who the murderers are, and we KNOW you are watching, and I hope your very, very, afraid!!!!
"WE," the people will NOT give up!!!!!
Both Janet, and my brothers murders was premeditated, and you know what that means?!??!
LETHAL INJETION!!!! Only you both deserve the chair!! Confess now, and cop a plea, because once I open my big mouth to the press, I will be asking for the death penalty!!!!! I am sure Janet's parents, and the community will be behind me, and from there, will be NO turning back!!!!



Until the day dawns.....
http://community.webtv.net/RhondaFleming/InLovingMemory/

curious1
09-07-2006, 01:00 PM
You know sometimes I think the sweetest justice is justice delayed. Think about the people who think they have gotten away with something and go on to live normal lives and get comfortable and then WHAM!!! there's that knock on the door or that phone call and the rug gets pulled out from under them. Think about the smug ones like Perry March who thought, hey no body, they can't possibly convict me, but they did. So just think about 'ol Raven 5 or 10 years from now, sitting all smug and happy in his lazy-boy and there's a knock at his door and it's Johnnhy Law with a set of handcuffs with his name on them. Yeah, that would be real sweet. :D

RainbowsAndGumdrops
09-07-2006, 01:26 PM
I agree that it would be sweet to see Raven uprooted just after he gets comfortable, but I worry about the girl that falls in love with him. With all that we say about Raven, he really can come across as charming. I am nervous that another sweet shy girl will fall in love with him. She will eventually hear these "tales", but I fear she will think she knows him better than any of us because she sees him all the time. Being so close to him may actually blind her from the truth instead of giving her the perspective of someone standing back.

Yes, I think that sweet justice will come. Raven will have to face what he did and pay for his crimes. However, I fear for those around him as we wait. :(

2sisters
09-07-2006, 01:39 PM
I have been on haitus and have just been lurking a little but I can't seem to catch up on Janet's case. Can someone summarize it for me please if they don't mind? There is just so much on here.

Justice4Jack
09-07-2006, 02:33 PM
The murderers knows each day of their guilt, most are in denial....
The hardest part is that your loved one is gone, will never smile again, and a huge part of yourself was also killed....
It is as important for the killer to be brought to light, and for the truth to be known!
Not knowing gnaws at your heart and soul, and leaves an entire wound which cannot be healed by a band-aid!

My heart goes out to all of you here, that have too lost a loved one due to a psychopath, and the long road ahead for resolution....


Have faith! Remember God's promise to us,"Justice is mine sayeth the Lord!"


Time is excruciating now, but KNOW there is a purpose!
God Bless you, EVERYONE!

Rhonda

Until the day dawns...

http://community.webtv.net/RhondaFleming/InLovingMemory/

RainbowsAndGumdrops
09-08-2006, 08:34 AM
Here is the two minute case summary.

Janet and Raven had been married for a few years. They had a little baby boy, Kaiden, who was about 6 months old. Raven had embezzled from his job and was fired. It is thought that he embezzled from 1 or 2 other jobs too. Janet also worked there and quit. Janet found a job and worked hard. She was well liked. She was an All-American Soccer Player in college. I believe she graduated college with a 4.0. There is really nothing bad anyone can say about Janet. She worked hard. While Janet was out working Raven was unemployed, yet Kaiden was in daycare the day Janet died. It seems Raven wasn't the helpful dad and wasn't familiar with how to care for Kaiden. Raven seemed to only care about himself and his precious posessions. He didn't care what they could afford, nothing was too good for him. Also, Raven was having another affair.

Fast forward to the murder.

Raven went out to play soccer, or so the story goes. He came home and found his wife "injured" and called 911 saying Janet was shot (she was actually stabbed. Raven said she was kneeling so he thought she had cramps when he first saw her. Police found her laying on the floor in the office where the laptop would have been (hense the speculation of a fight that she found something like more embezzlement proof, or another girlfriend on the laptop). She had defensive cuts on her finger, was stabbed in the neck and stabbed in the chest. I think the one to the neck is the one that killed her. Janet died within the 10 minutes before police got there, and I think it only took 4-5 minutes for them to get there. With that in mind, there are about 5 mysterious minutes that are unaccounted for. This is where all of our theories come into play. Raven says he conveniently came home right then. It is also a little too convenient to the story that Janet was pregnant and would have found out that day or possibly the day before. The only thing missing from the house was Raven's laptop. Now it is important to note that the laptop was previously searched during the embezzlement trial and he knew that it was a powerful tool for convicting. The knife was also missing.

It is also important to know, that because he lost his job, his landlord let him stay a month or so free. The church then picked up and was helping them out for a few months. The murder occurred right before assistance would end and Raven would have to work to help the family.
Raven had lots of blogs and writings about his cars etc. He didn't mention Janet- ever. It was as though she didn't exist when he wrote. He bragged about everything. The night before she died Raven redid his Ravenstree site to say how his life was going to change and that it was time to start over, or something like that. It was eery to read.

Raven also has a christmas video where he whips out a switchblade from his pocket. He says he has a knife collection and that he always carries that knife with him, "just in case" he runs across a deer. The scarry thing was how fast he whipped it out and the look in Janets eyes.

Police have said that this was not a random murder. After months they did release info about Raven's car trying to ask if anyone recalled where it was the night of the murder.

That brings me to the next point. Raven had two precious vehicles, in addition to Janets car. Only one of his vehicles was at his home when police arrived. The other one was conveniently not there. Police did not realize there was a missing car. This missing car's location for several days is unaccounted for. Raven could have grabbed the laptop and the knife, driven 1/2 a mile, parked the car, and run back. This is important because he was an athlete and could have completed that within the 5 minutes before police were called.

One more important detail is that Raven has something like 70k debt and I believe his income is under 10k a year. He is filing bankruptcy. Janet was working so it seems logical that she would have had life insurance through work. Of course, you cannot collect life insurance unless you have been cleared of murder. Raven is not a "suspect" but he has not been cleared - so no insurance money for him. He probably got sick of waiting and a year after the murder he filed bankrupcy.

Raven does not appear to have done anything to have found the murderer. Noone can recall him saying he was innocent. At the funeral, his tears seemed like a show.

Basically the problem is that the witness, Janet, is dead. Obviously there is noone that can prove it was him. As a "caring husband" of course he would have blood all over him. Of course you would see his fingerprints and DNA there. However, it is interesting that he came home and didn't notice Janet at first because he went to kiss Kaiden good night. Kaiden was being sweet and was sound asleep. Then Raven found Janet and called for help. There are a few problems with the story. The house was definately a bloody crime scene that he would have noticed when he came home. Secondly, apparently on the 911 tape Kaiden is screaming. That would mean Kaiden conveniently woke up when Raven was kissing him good night, but slept through the attach of his mommy. Hmmmm.

It is sad to see how Raven has just moved on with his life like it is no big deal. :(


If anyone wants to correct details or provide more info, please feel free, but I think this is a pretty good summary.

Jenifred
09-08-2006, 10:04 AM
Nice summary. But a little more background info. Raven had several affairs during their almost 5 year marriage. One where he actually moved out of Janet and his home and into some other female's den. Unfortunately, Janet let him back after each one.

He felt like a caged animal--married, 1 little boy, another baby on the way. He's a coward who always liked what he didn't have. He wanted a girlfriend while he was in college--he found Janet. He wanted to get married--like all of his friends were, so he did. Then he got to thinking that single life was so much better, as he watched those friends of his having fun with no worries or cares in the world. Now, he wanted to be free again and he chose to murder his wife.

Raven Abaroa is a smooth talker, a liar, a criminal, a horrible father, and will eternity be known as a MURDERER!

terminatrixator
09-08-2006, 11:47 AM
Good Synopsis!

Quick notes

Nothing was stolen or missing from the home except the murder weapon and the laptop.

Raven knows enough about the way LE thinks and knew to get rid of the laptop. The first time he was arrested they took his laptop, which I believe may have aided in his arrest for embezzlement.

He is a convicted 5x convicted felon for the embezzlement. He plead guilty.

There were actually 3 vehicles, janet's was brought to the shop the day of the murder. Raven's prize possession vehicle the VX was parked nowhere near the home. When Raven went to play soccer Janet was left home with no vehicle. Still not sure why his VX was parked elsewhere. I think that shows the narcissism there, wherein he didn't want it home so LE didn't go rummaging through his prize possession.

I believe he hasn't confessed to the Bishop about the other affairs and don't know if he has about the embezzlement.

He still has another year probation to serve.

On the exact day of the one year anniversary of Janet's murder, Raven was busy, at his lawyers office, signing bankruptcy papers.

The bankruptcy has been dismissed and he is now free and clear of those bills, except the money he has to pay back on his embezzlement.

On April 29th there was a candlelight vigil held for Janet in Durham, North Carolina, Raven was a no show, of course. To my knowledge, since the hearing date for the embezzlement he has not been in North Carolina, but the embezzlement hearing was in Orange County, not in Durham County, but though he travels alot, he won't travel to North Carolina.

Raven has moved again.

Raven still working at the Bike Shop, probably lying about the hours he's working so he can still get aid.

Raven was to take a polygraph the day after the murder and lawyered up. To date he has not taken a polygraph.

To date, nobody has been named a person of interest or a suspect, and Raven has NOT been cleared as a poi or suspect.

I believe 100% that Raven is the guilty party and a sociopath and believe that he will kill again. He reminds me a lot of Barton Corbin.

Moxie
09-08-2006, 12:52 PM
I agree that it would be sweet to see Raven uprooted just after he gets comfortable, but I worry about the girl that falls in love with him. With all that we say about Raven, he really can come across as charming. I am nervous that another sweet shy girl will fall in love with him. She will eventually hear these "tales", but I fear she will think she knows him better than any of us because she sees him all the time. Being so close to him may actually blind her from the truth instead of giving her the perspective of someone standing back.

Yes, I think that sweet justice will come. Raven will have to face what he did and pay for his crimes. However, I fear for those around him as we wait. :(R&G,

I agree with you that I am concerned about Raven fooling an innocent girl out in UT. But have you seen him lately? He is FAT! And fortunately, technology may work against him. If the sweet, innocent girls that Raven desires have parents who google Raven's name, that will be all it takes. Even Raven will have a hard time explaining the following facts that can be googled:

*Raven Abaroa and the unsolved murder of his wife
*Raven Abaroa has not been cleared as a suspect in his wife's murder
*Raven Abaroa's 5 felony convictions for felony embezzlement
*Raven Abaroa's bankruptcy - he'll try to tie Janet's death into this one, poor me, blah blah
*lack of a real job - bike shop and online business do not count
*no education because Raven Abaroa either dropped out or flunked out of college
*no money because Raven Abaroa does not have a real job
*Raven Abaroa's documented extramarital affairs

What parent would want their daughter mixed up with someone like this????

Jenifred
09-08-2006, 08:41 PM
He is FAT!
Is he really? Must be all the eating out he does. I hope Kaiden isn't getting pudgy from McDonalds too.

2sisters
09-10-2006, 11:26 PM
ok, thanks, I think I can catch up now. This poor little baby, he will never know his beautiful mommy, never remember her, never even get another hug from the person who loved him the most in this world. i think it is pretty obvious who did this to her.

Justice4Jack
09-11-2006, 12:39 AM
The sad part to all of this, is that LE again, is more concerned with "POLITICS ," than MURDERS!
Durham is still more concerned with "The Rape Case," than to solve our loved ones deaths!
My brother was found executed under a bridge 3 weeks after Janet Araboa was killed, and I have had NO PRESS, and have had to fight, and beg to glean what facts I have received!

My brother was only 46, and weeks away from retiring from IBM after 25 years. He was not only a Christian, and a brilliant man, he was the most compassionate and kind person you could ever imagine!

He put himself through college, overcame poverty and hardships, and was loved and respected by countless people, he WAS George Bailey!

My family has not only lost our hero, we lost OUR mentor and best friend! He was NOT just MY brother, but ALL of my cousins and I would claim him, he loved being looked up to, and enjoyed family, and loved life!

My mother lost her only son! And not JUST a son, but an OUTSTANDING man! We ALL were so proud of him, and I personally depended on him, he was ALWAYS there for me, not through miles, but in prayers and deeds! He was to take my 15 year old daughter if I died....

I had cancer, and praying I have not gone into remission, this has been the worst! :(
At least when he was alive, I had peace knowing if I died, he would be there for her! That meant a lot, and helped me sleep better knowing she would be loved like I would want her to have!
Not to mention my father's death from cancer when she was only 5....He told her he would live to see her graduate college, not wanting her to be afraid, then died 6 months later.....

The ripple effect from each human that has died, or is murdered, reaches a multitude of lives!
NO family should have to fight for LE to do the job they are paid to do! And the FAMILY DESERVES the same privilege as next of kin, as does the spouse!

How many married people kill their spouses, or one relative another, while entire families are left to suffer and pick up the pieces?!
God willing, like Megans Law, and the Amber alert, I will have Jacks law passed, so this will change!

FAMILY means something, and the voices of the dead MUST have JUSTICE!

God help, and bless our country, because the times are so full of evil! The world has become a wicked rotating garbage dump, man has no humanity to one another, children kill parents, and parents murder their children, etc......

My heart goes out to the PARENTS! Just as a sibling, I ache, if it was my child, I would probably have died from a broken heart, I KNOW that MUST be the worst!

I truly pray the Lord is watching over this site, and like John Walsh, become an inspiration, and invoke changes!

Let us remember one another EACH time we pray, the world is full of anguish, we all suffer in some way :(

Even when and if the violators are caught and punished, the loss and pain doesn't evaporate....


We are all the same, and we all need Gods help!

Justice IS his!

Please Lord, bless US ALL with peace!




Until the day dawns.....


http://community.webtv.net/RhondaFleming/InLovingMemory/

Straitfan
09-14-2006, 08:30 PM
I was wondering how ya'll knew if it was guests or not, just figured it out! (Little slow sometimes:rolleyes: ! I don't log in often, but have always noticed there is someone on the site.. Very sad, sad situation, I pray God protects the little baby and this gets resolved quickly. Does her family want the baby, (I sure they probably do, just asking.)

terminatrixator
09-15-2006, 09:08 AM
I was wondering how ya'll knew if it was guests or not, just figured it out! (Little slow sometimes:rolleyes: ! I don't log in often, but have always noticed there is someone on the site.. Very sad, sad situation, I pray God protects the little baby and this gets resolved quickly. Does her family want the baby, (I sure they probably do, just asking.)I would imagine that the family would at least like to be able to see the baby, but considering they live on the east and Raven took Kaiden and moved to Utah, I doubt they get to see him.

I would hope that Raven would at least let Kaiden visit Janet's family, but for some reason I doubt that happens.

Straitfan
09-16-2006, 02:28 AM
I was thinking you knew the family, Terminaxtor.. Maybe not.. I do have question. are they (the family) in contact with DA, in the public, etc? I think i read they live in another state. You know NG is pretty ruthless ( I mean that in a nice way) . Have you tried to get this aired on her show? I know it may be hard especially when it is pretty obvious who the caulpret is but might help.. just a thought. My prayers are with you all, until the end. :angel:

terminatrixator
09-16-2006, 09:21 AM
I was thinking you knew the family, Terminaxtor.. Maybe not.. I do have question. are they (the family) in contact with DA, in the public, etc? I think i read they live in another state. You know NG is pretty ruthless ( I mean that in a nice way) . Have you tried to get this aired on her show? I know it may be hard especially when it is pretty obvious who the caulpret is but might help.. just a thought. My prayers are with you all, until the end. :angel:Actually I never met the family. I joined WS on the day that Janet was murdered, for another case, so when I noticed the date of death, this case kinda hit me hard, I'm just very nosey and pushy is all.

I do have a lot of contacts in the advocacy field and ties with different LE agencies and some media outlets, but I'm just a meddling Websleuther.

I will be at the trial and will hopefully be able to lend my support to the family in the future.

L L & S
09-29-2006, 02:43 PM
This is an open invitation for the seven people lurking here now...

Please log in and share your thoughts.... not only is your opinion important to us but you could be the one person with information that could lead to an arrest.

Lurkers welcome... Posters NEEDED!!

L L & S
09-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Wow, since I posted the above note.... 5 of the 7 lurkers are gone! Oops! Hope on of them was Raven. :p

Jenifred
09-29-2006, 03:04 PM
Currently it's me an 8 visitors. Jump on in y'all.

Jenifred
09-29-2006, 03:07 PM
Now it's up to 10!!!

L L & S
09-29-2006, 03:29 PM
Hi Jen,

I think it's funny to watch the numbers come and go with no one posting. I went over and read the recent stuff on Scott Peterson and the JonBenet forum. When I came back a bunch of other people show up.

I guess I should really go back to work. I would much rather sit here and read all day. I haven't been folowing the Ramsey case. Not like our fearless leader here anyway. But I do love to read the threads over there. We have some seriously smart people who post here.

Ok, I'm officially going to get some work done now!

Poooof! I'm gone.

Straitfan
10-01-2006, 02:49 AM
Always "lurkers" on this site.. kinda strange, there is more on here tonight once again than the "highly public" cases. I hope it is the predator and it is eating at him.. Justice in the end, one day as my Grandma used to say "whatever happens in the dark, will always comes to light!!" May their souls rest in peace.:angel:

Straitfan
10-01-2006, 04:41 AM
Update Term.

3:30 in the morming, CST, still 3 lurkers on this site.. Jon Benet Ramsey's, ok 3 lurkers there, that would make sense, here it doesn't! Must be ck'ing something, hmmm one has to wonder!

She was a beautiful girl, someone any mother would be PROUD to have as their daughter, very, very heart-breaking story..I pray they rest in peace. :angel:

terminatrixator
10-01-2006, 09:50 AM
There are lurkers daily here, I come here and sometimes I'm the only person sitting here, watching the lurkers, watching me. :chicken:

All of you that know he did it, will eventually have to pay the price for your silence. If you believe in God, he knows you know the truth.

2sisters
10-01-2006, 10:30 PM
There are lurkers daily here, I come here and sometimes I'm the only person sitting here, watching the lurkers, watching me. :chicken:

All of you that know he did it, will eventually have to pay the price for your silence. If you believe in God, he knows you know the truth.there is 3 right now. I want justice for Janet, and belive me, she will get it. she didn't deserve this. Her little boy didn't either, he needs a mommy, he will be missing something his whole life. How could you do this to her?

Straitfan
10-04-2006, 02:02 AM
Yes, there will be justice, someday I have no doubt.. God always prevails, stupid people make mistakes, god will revial it in the end..

terminatrixator
10-18-2006, 12:09 PM
Wow 10 lurkers. It never ceases to amaze me how many people really truly cared and loved Janet, and some of us, like me, care so much and didn't even know her.

It would be a shame to think people that knew her and were suppose to love her, knowsthe truth and yet don't come forward to speak up.

It's surprising to me, that Raven hasn't been completely ostracized by the community, coworkers, and people that know him for his actions and inactions.

I hear tell he's good, really good at his sociopathic ways, to draw people in and make him believe him, but he can't be that good.

I think it's a case of so many close to him in denial for their own sanity, not that they don't believe he couldn't do it, it would be too hard for them to accept and verbalize.

My prayers go out to you that deep down inside know the truth.

guera
11-09-2006, 04:33 PM
WOW... 19 lurkers right now. That's the most I think I've ever seen. I guess the news has regenerated some interest... and/or fear... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/waitasec.gif

Jenifred
11-09-2006, 04:46 PM
Hopefully there are some girls out in Utah watching the news and googling RAVEN ABAROA who are paying attention.

L L & S
11-09-2006, 08:25 PM
WOW... 19 lurkers right now. That's the most I think I've ever seen. I guess the news has regenerated some interest... and/or fear... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/waitasec.gif Jenifred : Hopefully there are some girls out in Utah watching the news and googling RAVEN ABAROA who are paying attention.
News travels fast. I wonder how many of Ravens X girlfriends have his name in their Google Alerts.

:)

LTUlegal
11-16-2006, 12:09 AM
11 guests a lurkin' now???? What the...????


Come on...:truce: :chicken:

LTUlegal
11-16-2006, 12:14 AM
NOW, 14 GUESTS?????


You're welcome to interject your opinion, you know....

BirdHunter
11-23-2006, 07:56 AM
And a happy Thanksgiving to all eight of you who are in here with me this morning!

LTUlegal
04-19-2007, 12:30 AM
Interesting, there are 6 guests a lurkin' tonite. Welcome! Feel free to join us in the discussion!

Floh
04-19-2007, 01:40 AM
Interesting, there are 6 guests a lurkin' tonite. Welcome! Feel free to join us in the discussion!

What 'guests' don't know is they are missing a lot by not being registered. there is plently to see on other forums which is a shame for them if they are regulars here.

terminatrixator
04-19-2007, 09:19 AM
Floh,

This forum seems to get a steady flow of 3 - 12 lurkers.

Sometimes I feel naked in this forum. When I'm in a mood and writing a somewhat epic post, I see my name on the bottom, maybe 1 or 2 lurkers and hit the "submit reply" button. I then will sit back for about 10 minutes and it's like there's a radar out there because the next thing I know there are 8 or 9 lurkers.

I think that's why we have this thread.

I know other's have referenced it, being online in Janet's forum at all times of the night and being the only member and seeing all those lurkers....and knowing one of them is a murderer:slap: