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mysteriew
10-17-2005, 02:53 AM
But throughout the conversations, Bar-Jonah maintained he had nothing to do with the disappearance of 10-year-old Zachary Ramsay from Great Falls in 1996. Although Bar-Jonah was never convicted in that case, police allegations that he kidnapped, killed and cannibalized the boy captured international media attention.

Perry said in all her off-camera conversations with Bar-Jonah, he never waivers in his innocence.

"Out of all the missing children I showed and discussed with Nate, his heart only went out for Zach Ramsay," she said.

Bar-Jonah asked her to contact Zach's mother, Rachel Howard, and recruit her to join the ministries' group Parents Against Kidnapping. Perry said he gave her Howard's name and hometown along with her relatives' names and where they could be found.

"For some reason, he is very concerned about Zach's mother," she said.

Howard's insistence that her son is alive was among factors that led prosecutors to drop the homicide charge against Bar-Jonah in October 2002.

Investigators also lacked physical evidence to link Bar-Jonah to Ramsay. The child's body was never found. Although officers dug up Bar-Jonah's garage and found crushed bones buried there, DNA tests showed they weren't Ramsay's.

Perry did not question Bar-Jonah about the bones fragments, and their source remains a mystery.

Bar-Jonah never said Ramsay's name throughout the interview, saying his initials once, but usually referring to him as the "missing boy I was charged with."

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS01/510160302/1002

audrey77
04-13-2008, 11:25 PM
Bar-Jonah died today in prison...
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/west/view.bg?articleid=1086901&pos=breaking

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
04-14-2008, 02:01 AM
Ugh. He makes me sick. I hope the authorities are wrong in what they think happened to Zach.

"Authorities said they had evidence suggesting Bar-Jonah had butchered the boy and disposed of his body in meals served to neighbors."

Prayers are with his family. Hopefully they are still able to find some answers.

MsRusty
04-14-2008, 04:09 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351232,00.html


I didn't know where to put this one. I personally had never heard of him. I looked for him on other threads and found nothing. But I know that most here are glad to hear when a child molester passes away. He was already in prison and would have been there the rest of his natural life, but I guess now society doesn't have to worry about him escaping or being accidently released.

curious1
04-14-2008, 04:11 PM
I cannot express how upset I am that this poor poor man had to die in prison.

HA! Right. Adios scumbag!

AmandaBrown23
04-14-2008, 04:23 PM
oh no I am so sad now. pfffffff

philamena
04-14-2008, 05:50 PM
good! Hope he's burning in Hell.

dingo
04-14-2008, 06:09 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: One less to worry about:woohoo:

michelle
04-14-2008, 06:46 PM
How sad......SIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Filly
04-14-2008, 06:49 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351232,00.html


I didn't know where to put this one. I personally had never heard of him. I looked for him on other threads and found nothing. But I know that most here are glad to hear when a child molester passes away. He was already in prison and would have been there the rest of his natural life, but I guess now society doesn't have to worry about him escaping or being accidently released.

Oh MsRusty, David Paul Brown was a cold blooded child murderer. He was put away in that Bridgewater Treatment Center and was let out and killed and molested again. He named himself Nathaniel Bar-Jonah the lousey POS. God rest the souls of the children he murdered. He was made to only move with his mother to Montana from Massachuestets and that was it. He never spoke about the list LE found that they believe was the names of children he murdered.

tempusfugit
04-14-2008, 07:11 PM
Oh MsRusty, David Paul Brown was a cold blooded child murderer. He was put away in that Bridgewater Treatment Center and was let out and killed and molested again. He named himself Nathaniel Bar-Jonah the lousey POS. God rest the souls of the children he murdered. He was made to only move with his mother to Montana from Massachuestets and that was it. He never spoke about the list LE found that they believe was the names of children he murdered.

This was one of the most horrific cases that I've ever read about, I can't say I'm unhappy that this guys dead.

panglossian
04-14-2008, 08:01 PM
What a dreadful man. Glad he's off this planet for good.

MsRusty
04-14-2008, 09:08 PM
Yes, just what little I read about him in the article he sounds like a monster. I don't remember hearing about him before. What was with the name change? Did they (LE?) give him a new identity?

deanws
04-14-2008, 09:18 PM
It is a good day for saving the taxpayer's money when scum like this dies.:clap:

pixies
04-14-2008, 10:03 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Yay! This was one really evil SOB and sadly he wasn't tortured to death and fed to wild animals like he sooooo deserved but maybe right about now he is burning in Hell so I will be glad!

He probably killed more children and molested sooo many more children than we will ever know about. He does not deserve any PITY or MERCY from anyone. He had zero remorse. :furious:

Filly
04-15-2008, 12:30 AM
Yes, just what little I read about him in the article he sounds like a monster. I don't remember hearing about him before. What was with the name change? Did they (LE?) give him a new identity?

Naw that creep changed his own name. He picked several Jewish names he said because he wanted to know how it felt to be persecuted. Crazy like a fox. That one little boy was just sitting in the car when his mom ran in the post office and that freak jumped in the car and sat on this little boy. He got caught though as several people saw him and he lies and said he just wanted to get out of the rain. Thank goodness that little boy wasn't abducted. Meanwhile, yes I guess we all can just change our names for whatever reason. It was awful what the families of those children had to go through looking at this ugly creep at trial, and keep hearing him called by a name he just made up in his sick head.

Rag Doll 02
04-15-2008, 01:26 AM
Read about this right now. I have one word to offer in response to the title of this thread--- the word is " GOOD "

meggilyweggily
04-15-2008, 04:19 AM
Bar-Jonah was only 51 years old, I wonder what he died of. Of course people in prisons tend to die young -- even if they are not outright killed, the health care system in prison is not so good.

imthemom
04-15-2008, 01:17 PM
Oh MsRusty, David Paul Brown was a cold blooded child murderer. He was put away in that Bridgewater Treatment Center and was let out and killed and molested again. He named himself Nathaniel Bar-Jonah the lousey POS. God rest the souls of the children he murdered. He was made to only move with his mother to Montana from Massachuestets and that was it. He never spoke about the list LE found that they believe was the names of children he murdered.

Wow Filly, I had never heard of this case but how sickening. I am glad he is dead it just sad he was allowed to murder so many children before finally being locked up for good. I really feel sorry for the mother who still believes her 10 year old son is alive somewhere. I know it would be hard to come to terms with but I would rather know my child was dead then being tortured by some monster like Kenneth Parnell.

jannuncutt
04-15-2008, 01:31 PM
He definitely was one scary creature. I first heard of him many years ago. I thought that he was too bad to be true - but he was!!!!!

sleuthin4fun
04-15-2008, 01:51 PM
Save the tax payers a little money, fry him up an serve him for dinner.

meggilyweggily
04-15-2008, 06:40 PM
The autopsy says he died of a blood clot:

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/04/15/news/state/34-barjonahclot.txt

It's a real shame. It's not that Bar-Jonah deserved to be alive, but it's a shame he took the secrets of his crimes to the grave with him.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/ramsay_zachary.html

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
12-19-2010, 04:59 AM
Happy 25th birthday Zach.

Never forgotten.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/nathaniel_bar_jonah/Zachary-Ramsay%281%29200.jpg

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
01-27-2011, 04:33 AM
Father of Bar-Jonah's alleged victim seeks closure

The father of a Great Falls child who disappeared 15 years ago plans to ask that a judge on Wednesday declare the boy dead so the family can have closure.

[snip]

"I think, after the passage of so many years, that logic would dictate that he's no longer alive," said attorney Ken Olson, who is representing Franz Ramsay. "His father is convinced that he is deceased."

[snip]

Investigators unearthed 21 human bone fragments in Bar-Jonah's garage they believed were the remains of Zach Ramsay, but the bones appeared to have been cut or smashed and boiled, damaging the DNA. Tests proved they belonged to an adolescent.

More: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_0a893d3a-2804-11e0-a407-001cc4c002e0.html?oCampaign=hottopics

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
01-27-2011, 04:35 AM
Zachary Ramsay declared "legally deceased" in Great Falls courtroom

February 6th, 1995 - the date Zachary Ramsay disappeared while walking to school in Great Falls.

Nearly 15 years later there's no evidence that Zachary Ramsay is still alive, but also no physical evidence proving he's dead.

On Wednesday, part of the debate was put to rest at the request of Zachary's father, as Judge Kenneth Neill ruled that for legal purposes, Zachary Ramsay is deceased.

Much More: http://www.kxlh.com/news/zachary-ramsay-declared-legally-deceased-in-great-falls-courtroom/

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
02-06-2011, 04:53 PM
Zachary disappeared 15 years ago today. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that he will ever be found. :(

watcher9
03-03-2012, 12:48 PM
I came to make sure a thread for Zachary Ramsay was on WS. It is. Thanks.

This morning I only saw the last few minutes of the show Killer Trials on ID where they tried Nathaniel Bar-Jonah for kidnapping and assault, but he was also the suspected killer of Zachary Ramsay. What little I did see said they found bones, but determined they belonged to another unidentified child. Did they have DNA then?

I wonder if Bar-Jonah should be added to the serial killers thread?

JusticeWillBeServed
04-22-2015, 10:02 AM
Zachary's case was the first missing child I can distinctly remember from a young age and I always thought it had been resolved. Sad to see it still hasn't and there seems to a very minor chance it ever will be. I found this list of "creepy unsolved crimes" that included him.

Zach Ramsay is number 12 on this list (http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_1436_23-creepy-unsolved-crimes-that-will-keep-you-up-at-night_p2/)

KateB
05-09-2015, 09:58 AM
http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC814455e1.jpg
http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/814455
Zachary's photo is shown age-progressed to 25 years. He was last seen leaving his residence for school at approximately 7:30 a.m. on February 6, 1996. He did not arrive at school and has not been seen or heard from since. Zachary is biracial. He is Black and White. He has a scar between his eyebrows and on his arm. He has blotchy skin and dimples.

Delsey
08-04-2015, 09:39 PM
I have been interested in this case for a long time. I have read various articles about it, and the better part of three books. The first book I read was Eyes of a Pedophile, by Dr. Betty Kuffel. She presented some interesting facts. Apparently a Great Falls woman found a piece of plastic sheeting near the Missouri river. The sheeting was covered in compressed letters, begging for forgiveness for "doing it again". It was also covered with coarse black hair. The woman's dog later brought home a pelvic bone, but, thinking the bone was from an animal, the woman threw it away. Although she gave the plastic sheeting to the Cascade County Police Department, Great Falls police were not notified, and when the woman finally did speak to Det. John Cameron, the evidence had been destroyed.

The other two books I have read on this subject are from John Espy's series Eat The Evidence. The contents of the first book are very disturbing. Espy apparently spoke with a woman named Sherri, who lived with Bar-Jonah for a brief time. Because she claimed to be a psychic and to have visions, prosecutors did not use her as a witness, thinking the jury would not take her story seriously. Sherri claims that Bar-Jonah told her a story about Zach Ramsay, how a 'policeman' got angry at him, kidnapped him, drove him to Holter Lake, and raped and murdered him.

I think Sherri's story is very interesting. Bar-Jonah supposedly told her that he killed Zach in a cabin that one of his friends owned at Holter Lake. Sherri also claims Bar-Jonah told her that he threw parts of Zach's body, as well as the saw he used to dismember him, into Holter Lake. If Bar-Jonah's 'church friend' could be identified, perhaps physical evidence still exists in the cabin. Sherri claims that when Bar-Jonah dragged Zach (bound to a piece of plywood) across the floor, it left a noticeable mark.