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ketel0ne
10-25-2005, 04:58 PM
October 25, 2005
From the Ocilla Police Department


Ocilla, Georgia -- On October 24, 2005 at 8:50AM, the Ocilla Police Department responded to a missing person report made by neighbors and coworkers at the Irwin County High School.

They were concerned because Tara Grinstead did not show up for work and they were unable to make contact with her.

The last known contact was on 10/22/2005 at approximately 11:00 p.m.

http://walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4026341

Picture and description in article.

Bobbisangel
10-25-2005, 05:18 PM
October 25, 2005
From the Ocilla Police Department


Ocilla, Georgia -- On October 24, 2005 at 8:50AM, the Ocilla Police Department responded to a missing person report made by neighbors and coworkers at the Irwin County High School.

They were concerned because Tara Grinstead did not show up for work and they were unable to make contact with her.

The last known contact was on 10/22/2005 at approximately 11:00 p.m.

http://walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4026341

Picture and description in article.


Her car is in her driveway but her keys and purse are missing. I hope that LE can see that something is wrong with this picture. She doesn't show up for work and evidentally that wasn't the norm for her. I hope LE suspect foul play and start investigating it as suspicious. If so, maybe they will find her in time. She's been gone since the 22nd though and this is already the 25th.
Every time we turn around a young woman is missing...not many happy endings either.

ketel0ne
10-26-2005, 10:16 AM
(http://www.tiftongazette.com/content/1/8547/Schoolteacher+missing.htm)Schoolteacher missing (http://www.tiftongazette.com/content/1/8547/Schoolteacher+missing.htm)
Author: J.D. Sumner
Publication Date: 2005-10-26
OCILLA — A former Miss Tifton who now teaches at Irwin High School is missing, police and school officials said Tuesday.

Tara Faye Grinstead, 30, of Ocilla was last seen around 11 p.m. Saturday after the Miss Sweet Potato pageant. Grinstead, Miss Tifton 1999, helped with hair and makeup for the pageant.

“We’re canvassing the county looking for her,” Irwin County Sheriff’s Chief Deputy Billy Hancock said. “The only things missing from her house are her purse and keys, but her car is sitting out front.”

Because of the ongoing investigation, Hancock wouldn’t go into much detail, saying only that there were a few things that caught the investigators’ attention and that the GBI is assisting in the investigation. (http://www.tiftongazette.com/content/1/8547/Schoolteacher+missing.htm)More…… (http://www.tiftongazette.com/content/1/8547/Schoolteacher+missing.htm)

(http://www.tiftongazette.com/content/1/8547/Schoolteacher+missing.htm)

Steve Huff from Crime Library and The Darkside of Planet Huff posted this last night: The Disappearance of Miss Grinstead (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/001150.html)

Former Hawkinsville Woman Missing (http://www.fox24.com/article.asp?pkid=3714)

Search for Missing Teacher (http://www.13wmaz.com/news/top_stories.aspx?storyid=19300)

jintenn76
10-26-2005, 07:39 PM
She teaches at the same school as my uncle does. He emailed me the article earlier this evening and said the national guard is out looking for her tonight.

fourboys
10-27-2005, 02:15 PM
Link from AMW, that was fast.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=35468

PrayersForMaura
10-27-2005, 11:29 PM
Beauty Queen & Teacher Tara Grinstead Goes Missing

Popular, bubbly young woman vanishes from Ocilla, a tiny South Georgia town, after helping at beauty pageant.

Written by Steve Huff:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1005/2702_tara_grinstead_missing.html

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/news/original/1005/2702/tara_grinstead_150.jpg


"After Tara Grinstead was reported missing to local, Ocilla, GA authorities and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, it was discovered that she'd made it home that Saturday from Sweet Potato Pageant. The clothes she was last known to wear were at the house, as were her car and cellphone. All that seemed to be missing at the time was Tara Grinstead, her purse, and keys."

fourboys
10-28-2005, 09:21 PM
Articles from today, October 28, 2005

Police tracking down leads in missing-woman case
http://www.macon.com/mld/telegraph/13016852.htm

Town Searches for Missing Teacher
http://www.wmaz.com/news/top_stories.aspx?storyid=19399

ShowerSinger
10-28-2005, 10:57 PM
Thanks fourboys for the updates. Ex-boyfriend might be a clue. She is so beautiful, and seems so kind-spirited. I do pray she's okay, but the reality of life suggests otherwise. I'm guessing here, but it does seem as if she went willingly, only later, regretting doing so....
Please keep us informed.

Norma
10-29-2005, 06:28 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia/5193522/detail.html

Hancock announced a $10,000 reward for information leading to the location and safe return of Grinstead.

mysteriew
11-01-2005, 07:09 AM
More than 50 people on horseback and ATV's searched the wooded areas of Ocilla and Irwin County for any sign of Tara Grinstead. Last Saturday was the last time anyone heard from the Irwin County High School Teacher.

"If you're with someone and you're going to go talk or whatever, this might be a place where you might come to talk and it's also if you're going to take, you know it's a very secluded area," said Sonya Popken, Volunteer.

If you're interested in more information about the search for Tara or know what may have happened to her you can contact the www.findtara.com web site or the Ocilla Police Department web site at www.ocillapolice.com
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4048702&nav=5kZQ

Bigun21
11-01-2005, 01:15 PM
Nancy Grace had a good segment on Tara. She interviewed a reporter from Tifton(I think) and her sister. Two observations her sister stated raised more doubt to me. She stated that her alarm clock was found under her bed still plugged in, but the time was 6 hrs. off. The other thing was that her lamp beside her bed was cracked, but it was still on her night stand. It is awful that things like these happen, but we can only offer our prayers of her safe return. I don't know her, but according to the media, she is an outstanding person.

LillyRush
11-01-2005, 04:08 PM
Thanks fourboys for the updates. Ex-boyfriend might be a clue. She is so beautiful, and seems so kind-spirited. I do pray she's okay, but the reality of life suggests otherwise. I'm guessing here, but it does seem as if she went willingly, only later, regretting doing so....
Please keep us informed.I'm not seeing how it looks like she went willingly. The lamp bedside her bed was smashed and the alarm clock was tossled onto the floor under the bed with the hrs all off like it had been hastily plugged back in. The neighbors who were used to her habits say they didn't see her lamp in her bedroom on since Friday night, which was her signal to them that she was ok when she got home from somewhere. That doesn't sound willingly to me.

ShowerSinger
11-01-2005, 04:50 PM
Hi LillyRush.
I wrote that entry a few days ago. BEFORE it was known about this lamp being smashed. Just when it was known her purse and keys were gone, car was still there. And written before the police released the info about the alarm clock, or the neighbors watching her habits.

ThoughtFox
11-02-2005, 03:05 AM
This is a truly baffling case so far!

Here is the Nancy Grace Transcript for Halloween night - it's got a ton of details and an interview with her sister.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/31/ng.01.html

GRACE: And how far was the superintendent`s house from her house?

GATTIS: Just a few miles.

GRACE: Are you talking five, 10, 20?

GATTIS: Maybe five.

GRACE: And did she live in a home or an apartment?

GATTIS: She lived in a home.

GRACE: Anita, was the home locked from the inside when the police got there?

GATTIS: Yes, it was.

GRACE: So all the doors were locked?

GATTIS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: And do those doors lock automatically when you shut the door?

GATTIS: No, they did not.

GRACE: Did she have a car garage where you park your car and you close the garage door with like a Genie?

GATTIS: No, her garage was opened on two sides.

GRACE: Open on two sides, car parked in the garage?

GATTIS: Right.

GRACE: Any forced entry?

GATTIS: There`s no evidence of that.

GRACE: And the only thing amiss was the clock radio at her bedside was under the bed. Was it still plugged in?

GATTIS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Still plugged in, but six hours later?

GATTIS: Correct.

GRACE: And the lamp by the bedside cracked but still on the bedside table?

GATTIS: That`s correct, too.

GRACE: Also, Anita, her clothing that she wore to the party that evening, it was found in the home?

GATTIS: It was. It looks like that she changed into maybe the clothes she was going to sleep in that night.

GRACE: Why do you say that?

GATTIS: Well, she had made the comment that she was tired and was going to go home and watch the video from the pageant. She normally put on sweat pants and a t-shirt to sleep in.

GRACE: Now, she told you this?

GATTIS: No, this is what she told the people at the party she was at.

GRACE: Oh, OK. Now, was she drinking at the party?

GATTIS: Tara does not drink. She never has drank.

GRACE: So her clothing, Anita, was it laid out, like, you know, when I take my clothes off in the evening, I normally put them away or throw them in the dirty clothes, one or the other. Were they put away neatly, or were they found lying on the floor? Where were they?

GATTIS: The shoes were found lying on the floor, which a friend of mine told me was very unusual, because they were fairly expensive pair of shoes. She usually boxed them up and put them in the closet. The rest of her clothes were lying piled on a chest.

GRACE: Piled on a chest. Would that be normal for her?

GATTIS: It appears so. There were more clothes on that chest, also.

GRACE: Yes. Now, Anita, you stated she normally sleeps in sweat clothes, shirt, you know, socks maybe. Did you go through her home looking? I remember the Laci Peterson case. Her family went through looking for things, because they were familiar with her habits. Did you do this?

GATTIS: I have somewhat. But she has so much clothes it`s really hard to tell exactly what`s missing.

GRACE: What`s interesting to me is her car`s still there. Only missing is her purse and her keys. Wasn`t her cell phone put back on the charger?

GATTIS: Yes, ma`am. It was by her bed, where the lamp and the clock were.

GRACE: Still sitting in the charger?

GATTIS: Correct.

GRACE: You know, I just want to ask you one more thing about these keys and this pocketbook. Did she normally put her keys, like, on the table separate from her pocketbook, or would she put the keys back in her pocketbook?

GATTIS: Back in her pocketbook.

GRACE: So the fact that she had keys and pocketbook missing could mean she simply grabbed the purse and left.

GATTIS: I guess that`s so.

GRACE: And, Anita, one more thing about the home. The lights in the home, were the lights on or off? And is she an energy freak like me? Would she cut off all the lights but a night light or what?

GRACE: She left a porch light on. And the lamp by her bedside table she always turned on so that her neighbors would know that she was home. And that had not seen that lamp on since Friday night.

GRACE: So it was on Friday night?

GATTIS: It was on Friday night. It never got turned on Saturday night.

GRACE: You know, Anita, that is a very interesting fact. Listen, when she would come in, would that bed light already be on or would she go in there and cut it on?

GATTIS: She would go in there and cut it on. That was her normal habit.

GRACE: Doesn`t it sound to you, based on that fact, that someone was either in the home or followed her into the home. And when she went to the bedroom to flick the light on, the neighbors never saw that light come on?

GATTIS: That`s what they`ve told me. Yes, ma`am.

~much more at link~

ketel0ne
11-02-2005, 02:30 PM
Tara Grinstead: 10 days, no leads, not good (http://www.missingabducted.com/index.php/2005/11/02/tara-grinstead-10-days-no-leads-not-good/)
With very little news on the missing person case of Tara Grinstead, we again turn to WALB first, then Crime Library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0201_tara_grinstead_relationships.html)and The Darkside-Steve Huff. In the Crime Library article (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0201_tara_grinstead_relationships.html) there is a bit of info about Tara’s relationships and in Steve’s article (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/001160.html)there is some analysis as well. But the Sheriff’s quote tells you exactly where the investigation is:


“Not good. Not good. We don’t have any leads,” says Sheriff Youghn. “The GBI has been interviewing several people from family to friends to boyfriends. They’re doing everything they can. Everybody has been working almost night and day. As time goes on, I’m getting more concerned about what the possible outcome of this is going to be.”

“Right now, what we’re going to do, unless something breaks and we get some kind of tip to help us locate Tara, until that time comes, we’re going to continue the search in Irwin county, just like we’re doing now right now until we’ve covered the whole county,” says Sheriff Youghn.

Citizens hope for the best-WALB.com (http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4062459)




(http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0201_tara_grinstead_relationships.html)Relationshi ps Could Provide Clues to Missing Woman’s State of Mind-Crime Library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0201_tara_grinstead_relationships.html)

OCILLA, GA — (Crime Library) For months before her sudden and mysterious disappearance last week, Irwin County High School teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead was troubled by two contentious relationships, one with her estranged long time boyfriend, and the other with a former student who had become almost obsessed with her, according to sources familiar with the young woman’s history. (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0201_tara_grinstead_relationships.html)


The Men in Tara’s Life?-Steve Huff (http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/001160.html)

fourboys
11-02-2005, 02:53 PM
Cadaver Dogs Search for Missing Georgia Teacher

Nov 2, 2005

Irwin County Sheriff Donnie Youghn says cadaver dogs are searching ponds and the area around Tara Grinstead's home. This is the first time cadaver dogs were brought out.

Search and rescue crews are also searching the south part of the county from 129 to highway 90 on horse, foot, four-wheeler and by air.

It's been nine days of searching, hoping and waiting, but family members and friends of missing teacher Tara Grinstead still have no answers. The last time they saw Tara was Saturday, October 23 at a friend's home in Ocilla. Tara's originally from Hawkinsville.

So far authorities have not released any suspects or leads in the case, which friends say makes the days seem even longer. Still, they're not giving up.

Continued at link:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=46616

Trino
11-03-2005, 12:09 AM
It's interesting that her former boyfriend was in town the day of the Pageant. If she was pushing the relationship, and he was backing off, it seems like he wouldn't want to be around her. I wonder if he still had the key to her house. The glove is suspicious.

ThoughtFox
11-03-2005, 12:40 AM
Well, I just checked Google News, and there is no update tonight.

This is a real mystery. :(

LillyRush
11-03-2005, 03:57 AM
Hi LillyRush.
I wrote that entry a few days ago. BEFORE it was known about this lamp being smashed. Just when it was known her purse and keys were gone, car was still there. And written before the police released the info about the alarm clock, or the neighbors watching her habits.
I didn't see the timestamp of your post at first, showersinger. Sorry.

justthefacts
11-03-2005, 09:12 AM
I saw a preview of Greta's show for Wednesday, and they mentioned something about a problem with a student. But darn, I fell asleep and missed it! Anybody catch this?

PrayersForMaura
11-03-2005, 10:21 AM
I saw a preview of Greta's show for Wednesday, and they mentioned something about a problem with a student. But darn, I fell asleep and missed it! Anybody catch this?
I think that may just be about the one we've already been hearing about who had knocked on her door and had a crush on her, and she had to call the police about. I'm just guessing though. If so, there's news on him in Steve's blog and some links in earlier posts on this thread.

rachrach99
11-03-2005, 10:37 AM
The ex-student they talked about on Greta last night actually was caught trying to break into her house. Neighbors saw it and called police. It happened only 4mths ago.

englishleigh
11-03-2005, 01:42 PM
I have been following this case and the ex-student is setting off the hinky meter more so than the ex-boyfriend. Poor Tara.

mysteriew
11-03-2005, 01:58 PM
As many as 60 volunteers with four-wheel-drive trucks and search dogs combed rural areas east of Ocilla today, but Irwin County Sheriff Donnie Youghn said investigators have no solid leads in the case of missing teacher Tara Grinstead.

There have been almost daily searches by foot, air and horseback -- around the south-central Georgia town of Ocilla for a popular high school history teacher and former beauty queen who vanished Oct. 24.

There have been concerned hallway hugs between faculty and students alike at Irwin County High School, and a public prayer vigil Oct. 25 at the Irwin County Courthouse. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has made inquiries and a $30,000 reward has been raised by the community, but there has been no sign of Grinstead, 30, a teacher at Irwin County High for the past eight years and Miss Tifton in 1999.

A reward for information leading to the teacher's whereabouts and safe return was raised to $80,000 today by $50,000 pledge by Liberty National Insurance of Birmingham, Ala.
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1105/03metsearch.html

After ten days of investigation, Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock said authorities have no suspects in the disappearance of Irwin County High School teacher Tara Grinstead.

"I don't feel like we're making any headway to calling someone a suspect and ruling everybody else out," he said.

"Certainly, anyone that had any acquaintances with her is someone that they're trying to question and get information from."

He said everyone has cooperated in the investigation.

Hancock said authorities are still considering any possibility and getting leads in the case, but no solid leads.

Her father has hired what she called a "private recovery agent," who she said is trying to find Grinstead.

She said the agent isn't as concerned with trespassing and civil rights as police or GBI, and so far has found new information, but she wouldn't say what that is.
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/13066460.htm

PrayersForMaura
11-03-2005, 02:52 PM
I have been following this case and the ex-student is setting off the hinky meter more so than the ex-boyfriend. Poor Tara.
Yes, from what I had read, she was not over her ex-boyfriend.
Her ex-boyfriend of 6 years had broken off the relationship months ago and she has hard time getting over him. Reported on blogs. So I don't suspect him, honestly.

The ex-student, now 20, was infatuated (maybe still is) was Tara.
Banged on her door. She called police ... filed order.
As far as I have read, no further action taken.
I believe this was in Rita's transcript. He might raise an eye brow.

However, I also read $300 cash was found in the console in her unlocked door.

Facts: Her keys and purse are missing.
House was locked.
Usually her bedroom light is on when she gets home.
She obviously came home, her car was there and she changed clothes.
So she came home and left the house...
either of her own volition or against her will.

Possible scenarios due to the info in the news right now:
*Stranger abduction, being held hostage
*Random stranger murdered her
*Possible robbery gone wrong, murdered her
*Ex-student murdered her
*Ex-boyfriend murdered her
*Someone else she knew murdered her
*Stalker murdered her
*She committed suicide
*She ran off to be alone, distraught and depressed over the ex.

Nothing in the news has pointed to anything specific yet.

Marilynilpa
11-03-2005, 03:35 PM
Yes, from what I had read, she was not over her ex-boyfriend.
Her ex-boyfriend of 6 years had broken off the relationship months ago and she has hard time getting over him. Reported on blogs. So I don't suspect him, honestly.

The ex-student, now 20, was infatuated (maybe still is) was Tara.
Banged on her door. She called police ... filed order.
As far as I have read, no further action taken.
I believe this was in Rita's transcript. He might raise an eye brow.

However, I also read $300 cash was found in the console in her unlocked door.

Facts: Her keys and purse are missing.
House was locked.
Usually her bedroom light is on when she gets home.
She obviously came home, her car was there and she changed clothes.
So she came home and left the house...
either of her own volition or against her will.

Possible scenarios due to the info in the news right now:
*Stranger abduction, being held hostage
*Random stranger murdered her
*Possible robbery gone wrong, murdered her
*Ex-student murdered her
*Ex-boyfriend murdered her
*Someone else she knew murdered her
*Stalker murdered her
*She committed suicide
*She ran off to be alone, distraught and depressed over the ex.

Nothing in the news has pointed to anything specific yet.
It appears that her bedroom is where a confrontation took place (alarm clock on floor, lamp cracked). If someone had forced their way into her house, there would have been signs of struggle in the living room, not just the bedroom. Since there isn't any evidence that someone broke into her house, I tend to think she let someone she knew into the house that night.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I lived alone, I wouldn't answer the door that late at night (after 11 p.m.) without checking first to see who it was. I certainly wouldn't have opened the door to a stranger.

PrayersForMaura
11-04-2005, 12:25 AM
It appears that her bedroom is where a confrontation took place (alarm clock on floor, lamp cracked). If someone had forced their way into her house, there would have been signs of struggle in the living room, not just the bedroom. Since there isn't any evidence that someone broke into her house, I tend to think she let someone she knew into the house that night.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I lived alone, I wouldn't answer the door that late at night (after 11 p.m.) without checking first to see who it was. I certainly wouldn't have opened the door to a stranger.
Maybe a confrontation, maybe not ... the lamp is sometimes knocked over by the cat, I had read ... rather rambunctious cat ... cats can also climb over things and push buttons on clocks believe it or don't. Was this the night of daylight savings when we were to set clocks back? Maybe she was messing with her clock when the cat knocked the lamp over or when someone knocked on the door. As far as was reported, there were no apparent signs of a confrontation. The lamp was cracked but put back in place... could've been cracked on another occasion is what I recall the sister said but I could be mistaken. Let me find some quotes...

PrayersForMaura
11-04-2005, 12:40 AM
I'm just going to quote your post since you already have the info here ...
here's the info about the clock and the lamp...
I'm not thinking it's as big of a deal. Maybe it is, but I am not thinking it is.


This is a truly baffling case so far!

Here is the Nancy Grace Transcript for Halloween night - it's got a ton of details and an interview with her sister.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/31/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE: Any forced entry?

GATTIS: There`s no evidence of that.

GRACE: And the only thing amiss was the clock radio at her bedside was under the bed. Was it still plugged in?

GATTIS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Still plugged in, but six hours later?

GATTIS: Correct.

GRACE: And the lamp by the bedside cracked but still on the bedside table?

GATTIS: That`s correct, too.

GRACE: Also, Anita, her clothing that she wore to the party that evening, it was found in the home?

GATTIS: It was. It looks like that she changed into maybe the clothes she was going to sleep in that night.

GRACE: Why do you say that?

GATTIS: Well, she had made the comment that she was tired and was going to go home and watch the video from the pageant. She normally put on sweat pants and a t-shirt to sleep in.

GRACE: Now, she told you this?

GATTIS: No, this is what she told the people at the party she was at.

GRACE: Oh, OK. Now, was she drinking at the party?

GATTIS: Tara does not drink. She never has drank.

GRACE: So her clothing, Anita, was it laid out, like, you know, when I take my clothes off in the evening, I normally put them away or throw them in the dirty clothes, one or the other. Were they put away neatly, or were they found lying on the floor? Where were they?

GATTIS: The shoes were found lying on the floor, which a friend of mine told me was very unusual, because they were fairly expensive pair of shoes. She usually boxed them up and put them in the closet. The rest of her clothes were lying piled on a chest.

GRACE: Piled on a chest. Would that be normal for her?

GATTIS: It appears so. There were more clothes on that chest, also.

GRACE: Yes. Now, Anita, you stated she normally sleeps in sweat clothes, shirt, you know, socks maybe. Did you go through her home looking? I remember the Laci Peterson case. Her family went through looking for things, because they were familiar with her habits. Did you do this?

GATTIS: I have somewhat. But she has so much clothes it`s really hard to tell exactly what`s missing.

GRACE: What`s interesting to me is her car`s still there. Only missing is her purse and her keys. Wasn`t her cell phone put back on the charger?

GATTIS: Yes, ma`am. It was by her bed, where the lamp and the clock were.

GRACE: Still sitting in the charger?

GATTIS: Correct.

GRACE: You know, I just want to ask you one more thing about these keys and this pocketbook. Did she normally put her keys, like, on the table separate from her pocketbook, or would she put the keys back in her pocketbook?

GATTIS: Back in her pocketbook.

GRACE: So the fact that she had keys and pocketbook missing could mean she simply grabbed the purse and left.

GATTIS: I guess that`s so.

GRACE: And, Anita, one more thing about the home. The lights in the home, were the lights on or off? And is she an energy freak like me? Would she cut off all the lights but a night light or what?

GRACE: She left a porch light on. And the lamp by her bedside table she always turned on so that her neighbors would know that she was home. And that had not seen that lamp on since Friday night.

GRACE: So it was on Friday night?

GATTIS: It was on Friday night. It never got turned on Saturday night.

GRACE: You know, Anita, that is a very interesting fact. Listen, when she would come in, would that bed light already be on or would she go in there and cut it on?

GATTIS: She would go in there and cut it on. That was her normal habit.

GRACE: Doesn`t it sound to you, based on that fact, that someone was either in the home or followed her into the home. And when she went to the bedroom to flick the light on, the neighbors never saw that light come on?

GATTIS: That`s what they`ve told me. Yes, ma`am.

~much more at link~
Maybe the lightbulb burnt out??
It's just weird to me that the phone and the lamp were still on the bedside table but the clock wasn't, which makes me think that the cat knocked it off.

If she left with someone she knew, and took her purse, maybe she thought she would be right back?
If someone killed her, why would they take her purse and nothing else?
Unless it was a robbery?
But she had her car unlocked and $300 cash in the console.
Wouldn't they check there?
Wouldn't her dog have barked at all?
If her neighbors were nosey enough to notice the bedroom light on or off, wouldn't they notice a dog barking wildly or not?

This doesn't make sense.
Which is why I think she went for a ride with someone or left on her own for a walk.

PrayersForMaura
11-04-2005, 12:51 AM
The sheriff says though they haven't found the missing high school teacher, there have been some positives.

Wednesday, they recovered four pounds of marijuana while searching old buildings in the county. Something family members say the 30 year old would have been proud of because she had previously worked with the DARE program.

Though authorities say they aren't sure what happened to Grinstead and have not identified any suspects, they are urging everyone to be cautious and keep their eyes open.

More:
http://walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4071274

__________________________________________________ ____________

:eek: Holy moses, that's a lot of pot!
Pardon my ignorance, but how much do you think that is worth, dollarwise???

Do you think someone might have been bribing Tara for money??
Hence, the $300 CASH in her unlocked car and why she took her purse with her?

It's just weird that they mentioned that in her story....

PrayersForMaura
11-04-2005, 01:01 AM
From Steve's blog, after writing about information given to him regarding Tara's breakup with her long-term boyfriend...
Titled "The Men in Tara's Life"

"Sources close to the investigation unanimously agree -- what disarray there might have been at Tara's home was so minimal as to provide police with very little reason to think a confrontation or struggle had taken place. The first investigators on the scene also attached very little significance to certain details like Tara's phone being in her bathroom, and her bedside lamp being "broken." It had apparently been broken before, perhaps as a result of rambunctious behavior by Tara's cat, Herman."

More: http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_disappearance_of_miss_grinstead.html

Nov 2nd entry, very good one!!

Trino
11-04-2005, 06:53 PM
Who would she have allowed into her house and willingly left with late at night, taking her purse and keys? The only person I can think of would be the old boyfriend whom she apparently still care about. Wasn't he in town that day? This is assuming that LE does not feel there was a confrontation in her bedroom, which it appears they do not. But, if he broke up with her several months ago, why would he bother to see her and harm her?

Who's caring for her dog and cat?

docwho3
11-04-2005, 07:43 PM
Who would she have allowed into her house and willingly left with late at night, taking her purse and keys? The only person I can think of would be the old boyfriend whom she apparently still care about. Wasn't he in town that day? This is assuming that LE does not feel there was a confrontation in her bedroom, which it appears they do not. But, if he broke up with her several months ago, why would he bother to see her and harm her?

Who's caring for her dog and cat?
I hope she is found soon.

PrayersForMaura
11-04-2005, 10:11 PM
Who would she have allowed into her house and willingly left with late at night, taking her purse and keys? The only person I can think of would be the old boyfriend whom she apparently still care about. Wasn't he in town that day? This is assuming that LE does not feel there was a confrontation in her bedroom, which it appears they do not. But, if he broke up with her several months ago, why would he bother to see her and harm her?

Who's caring for her dog and cat?
What if she called him (explains phone in the bathroom) had to see him (she's been having a hard time getting over him) ... he agrees to come meet her...
picks her up, she thinks they can go for a quick drive ... he gets tired of her
"harassing him" and does something with her ... or they argue and she gets out of the car and starts walking and she either jumps off a bridge or someone runs her over or someone picks her up and kills her???

I read that she took it so hard one day she had to pull over off the road and have someone come get her. I believe that was in Steve's blog about the men in her life ... I linked to it a few posts up.

PrayersForMaura
11-04-2005, 10:17 PM
The ever-growing search gives family members hope. "She may not be well, but I do feel like she's alive," says Anita Gattis.

While search teams continue to scour the county, the family has a private recovery agent on the case. Gattis says clues he's found lead back to her sister's car.

"Her vehicle was unlocked. That's very uncharacteristic of Tara. She always locks it, always, always, always. There's some question about the position of the seats. She was short, 5'3". That's a big red flag," Gattis says.

She also says the front of Grinstead's car was covered in bugs, leading Gattis to believe it had been driven throughout the night.
"I think that she left with someone that she knows, either under false pretenses, or maybe she left genuinely thinking she was going for a legitimate reason, and that it got ugly after that."

Gattis and her family are pleading with those responsible for Grinstead's disappearance to call their private tip line and let her go.

"If it was somebody and you had no intention of it snowballing like this, she will be picked up and law enforcement will not be notified until she is safely returned."

Gattis says she's praying that's soon, so her sister will be home in time to celebrate her birthday on November 14th.

More http://walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4075721

enzeder
11-05-2005, 01:58 AM
I've been puzzled by why Tara's clock/radio was 6 hours ahead of time as mentioned in the Nancy Grace interview.
If I turn my clock/radio off then turn it back on again, it reverts back to 12pm ie midday, so if Tara's clock/radio was showing the time as 6 hours later than the true time, it may have been turned off then back on again.
I don't know if all clock/radios when turned off then turned back on again start at 12 midday as mine does or if some start again at 12 midnight.
This might explain the discrepancy in the time shown on Tara's clock/radio.
Someone, for whatever reason may have turned the clock/radio off then turned it on again...maybe when Tara got home that night she saw that it was turned off, then whilst in the process of setting it again, was intercepted by someone who was lying in wait????
Maybe someone who is feeling a bit more alert that I am at the moment could try and work out a hypothetical time that the clock/radio may have been turned off then on again, to come to a conclusion why it was 6 hours ahead when found.

adit
11-05-2005, 07:44 PM
Authorities have questioned a former boyfriend of Grinstead's, Gattis confirmed. "They broke up about nine months ago," she says. "He has been questioned many times at length. He has obtained an attorney.

"They had had a very bad argument, I just found out, several days before she went missing, concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating. My sister did not think that (the 18-year-old's) parents would approve of a 30-year-old dating an 18-year-old. I'm told that she threatened to tell the parents, and they had a very heated argument over this."

This is from an article I found a link to over on Missing and Abducted. I think it's a CBS news article. Anyhow, I think this is interesting and may provide a bit of a motive for the ex. He also had a key to her house, so there would be no signs of forced entry. The fact he has hired an attorney is also a bit suspicious. I wonder if he has an alibi.

concernedperson
11-05-2005, 08:15 PM
Authorities have questioned a former boyfriend of Grinstead's, Gattis confirmed. "They broke up about nine months ago," she says. "He has been questioned many times at length. He has obtained an attorney.

"They had had a very bad argument, I just found out, several days before she went missing, concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating. My sister did not think that (the 18-year-old's) parents would approve of a 30-year-old dating an 18-year-old. I'm told that she threatened to tell the parents, and they had a very heated argument over this."

This is from an article I found a link to over on Missing and Abducted. I think it's a CBS news article. Anyhow, I think this is interesting and may provide a bit of a motive for the ex. He also had a key to her house, so there would be no signs of forced entry. The fact he has hired an attorney is also a bit suspicious. I wonder if he has an alibi.

I am so glad you posted this. I had read this early this morning on *************. This puts a different equasion into the scenario IMO. If he wanted to move on with his new love interest and she was putting the brakes on his endeavors this could possibly be a motive.Just speculating here but I see things differently than a few days ago.

PrayersForMaura
11-06-2005, 12:54 PM
Irwin County- Her family wants people to take a good look at Tara's picture. Two weeks ago Saturday was the last time 30 year old Tara Grinstead talked to anyone. Her family has worked hard to make sure as many people as possible see her face.

"We're looking for anything, we're not looking for a person we're looking for clothes, pocketbook, keys, anything we can find that might be of some help to somebody, but we've had no luck," said Wayne Dennord, Fire Chief and volunteer.

More: http://walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4078107

Trino
11-06-2005, 01:32 PM
Her sister stated that it looked as though the car had been driven throughout the night because the front was covered in bugs. It seems the position of the seat wasn't right, also. Why aren't there fingerprints?

Was the culprit on foot, and did he somehow manage to enter her house, forcing her to drive her car somewhere? Could he have done something to her, then driven the car back to her house?

The 30 year old boyfriend is after an 18 year old girl. I wonder if she was one of Tara's students and that's how she found out. I wonder if the girl's parents have found out by now and ended the relationship.

concernedperson
11-06-2005, 03:10 PM
Her sister stated that it looked as though the car had been driven throughout the night because the front was covered in bugs. It seems the position of the seat wasn't right, also. Why aren't there fingerprints?

Was the culprit on foot, and did he somehow manage to enter her house, forcing her to drive her car somewhere? Could he have done something to her, then driven the car back to her house?

The 30 year old boyfriend is after an 18 year old girl. I wonder if she was one of Tara's students and that's how she found out. I wonder if the girl's parents have found out by now and ended the relationship.

Your post got me thinking of a possible scenario. Her phone was found in the bathroom....what if she got a call from someone she knows stating they were having car trouble and needed a lift? She goes to pick him up and then drive to where he asked but something happens along the way. He takes her to a desolate area and hides the body (Think Ben Fawley). Then he drives her car back to her house and has on latex gloves. He rips them off after getting out of the car and one falls from his pocket unbeknownst to him. Then he walks to his strategically hidden car.

PrayersForMaura
11-06-2005, 04:22 PM
It's got to have something to do with her threatening to tell the parents of the 18 year old girl her ex was dating ... i think she was really hearrbroken over him and jealous, too, maybe??

They had gotten in an argument just a few days before.

Too coincidental to me, but that's just my feelings. Plus, he lawyered up and won't take a polygraph.

The kid who knocked on her door and had a crush on her volunteered to take on so I don't suspect him any more.

She wasn't over the ex and was hoping to get back with him. He apparently didn't feel the same.

PrayersForMaura
11-06-2005, 04:23 PM
Authorities have questioned a former boyfriend of Grinstead's, Gattis confirmed. "They broke up about nine months ago," she says. "He has been questioned many times at length. He has obtained an attorney.

"They had had a very bad argument, I just found out, several days before she went missing, concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating. My sister did not think that (the 18-year-old's) parents would approve of a 30-year-old dating an 18-year-old. I'm told that she threatened to tell the parents, and they had a very heated argument over this."

This is from an article I found a link to over on Missing and Abducted. I think it's a CBS news article. Anyhow, I think this is interesting and may provide a bit of a motive for the ex. He also had a key to her house, so there would be no signs of forced entry. The fact he has hired an attorney is also a bit suspicious. I wonder if he has an alibi.
I really think this is something to be considered...

concernedperson
11-06-2005, 05:11 PM
A discussion board has been created for Tara. You can send good wishes to the family there.

http://findtara.com/phpBB2/index.php

Trino
11-06-2005, 10:24 PM
A discussion board has been created for Tara. You can send good wishes to the family there.

http://findtara.com/phpBB2/index.php

This is an extremely good board.

Bigun21
11-06-2005, 11:17 PM
They talked to one of the searchers and Tara's sister. The searcher said the team she was with today found a shirt. She was asked to descibe the shirt and she only said it was bagged and given to the GBI. Her sister only said it was a female article and Tara had one just like the one that was found. She was not certain if it was Tara's. She also stated that it was found by a body of water on the outskirts of town.

PrayersForMaura
11-06-2005, 11:21 PM
They talked to one of the searchers and Tara's sister. The searcher said the team she was with today found a shirt. She was asked to descibe the shirt and she only said it was bagged and given to the GBI. Her sister only said it was a female article and Tara had one just like the one that was found. She was not certain if it was Tara's. She also stated that it was found by a body of water on the outskirts of town.thanks for the update. This isn't sounding very good :(

Bigun21
11-06-2005, 11:37 PM
it stated that this item was found on 11/5. Regardless of the date, an article of clothing was found.

Neen56
11-07-2005, 01:58 AM
I'm just going to quote your post since you already have the info here ...
here's the info about the clock and the lamp...
I'm not thinking it's as big of a deal. Maybe it is, but I am not thinking it is.


Maybe the lightbulb burnt out??
It's just weird to me that the phone and the lamp were still on the bedside table but the clock wasn't, which makes me think that the cat knocked it off.

If she left with someone she knew, and took her purse, maybe she thought she would be right back?
If someone killed her, why would they take her purse and nothing else?
Unless it was a robbery?
But she had her car unlocked and $300 cash in the console.
Wouldn't they check there?
Wouldn't her dog have barked at all?
If her neighbors were nosey enough to notice the bedroom light on or off, wouldn't they notice a dog barking wildly or not?

This doesn't make sense.
Which is why I think she went for a ride with someone or left on her own for a walk.
When I go for a walk, which I do frequently, I don't take a purse. I don't need my purse when I walk my dogs. But when my girlfriend picks me up to go to dinner, or out for coffee, I do bring my purse.

Going for a ride sounds more like it. She may have simply forgotten her cell phone, or the battery was dead and needed a longer charge. It seems likely that someone picked her up. Maybe someone called and she agreed to go out for a cup of coffee or something to eat. Might she have arranged it earlier, but didn't want to tell people at the party so she used the excuse of being tired? Had she arranged to go out with someone, someone she didn't want to tell everyone about? I assume that the police have checked her phone records for cell phone and land line.

Neen56
11-07-2005, 02:05 AM
It's got to have something to do with her threatening to tell the parents of the 18 year old girl her ex was dating ... i think she was really hearrbroken over him and jealous, too, maybe??

They had gotten in an argument just a few days before.

Too coincidental to me, but that's just my feelings. Plus, he lawyered up and won't take a polygraph.

The kid who knocked on her door and had a crush on her volunteered to take on so I don't suspect him any more.

She wasn't over the ex and was hoping to get back with him. He apparently didn't feel the same.
I have to agree with you. This sounds VERY suspecious! Perhaps they had another big fight, and things went too far.

Neen56
11-07-2005, 02:06 AM
They talked to one of the searchers and Tara's sister. The searcher said the team she was with today found a shirt. She was asked to descibe the shirt and she only said it was bagged and given to the GBI. Her sister only said it was a female article and Tara had one just like the one that was found. She was not certain if it was Tara's. She also stated that it was found by a body of water on the outskirts of town.
Uh-Oh. This doesn't sound good. Might she be in the water? I hope not!

misterallgood
11-07-2005, 11:54 AM
Looks like the shirt was found around a fishing hole -- "Paradise" something-or-other. The other item was a necklace that had been -- are you ready for this? -- overlooked in earlier searches of Tara's home. Apparently it was on the floor.

Now, I don't know how Tara actually kept house, but all accounts state that she was quite the perfectionist in many ways. That may not always translate to a neat home, but it can. If so, then I feel all disarray found after her disappearance should have been treated with suspicion, at least at first.

I'll try to participate as I am able.

less0305
11-07-2005, 02:04 PM
I'll try to participate as I am able.

It's good to see you Steve!! We appreciate your information so much!

less

adit
11-07-2005, 04:17 PM
Authorities have questioned a former boyfriend of Grinstead's, Gattis confirmed. "They broke up about nine months ago," she says. "He has been questioned many times at length. He has obtained an attorney.

"They had had a very bad argument, I just found out, several days before she went missing, concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating. My sister did not think that (the 18-year-old's) parents would approve of a 30-year-old dating an 18-year-old. I'm told that she threatened to tell the parents, and they had a very heated argument over this."

This is from an article I found a link to over on Missing and Abducted. I think it's a CBS news article. Anyhow, I think this is interesting and may provide a bit of a motive for the ex. He also had a key to her house, so there would be no signs of forced entry. The fact he has hired an attorney is also a bit suspicious. I wonder if he has an alibi.
I hate to have to quote myself, but found this post over on Tara's board and don't want to spread false rumors, which it seems this might be. Though I have no idea if the source of what I'm about to post is credible, she does seem to be very adamant in her defense of Marcus Harper. I stopped short of the point where she mentions other personal (and perhaps unnecessary?) information about another individual, but later in the post she does claim that Tara's parents are very supportive of Marcus. You can find the post over at the findtara.com message board if you want to read the rest:

On the topic of Marcus as a suspect. I will start with RUMOR CONTROL
1.Marcus Harper is NOT DATING NOR has DATED an 18 year old.
2. Marcus has been in town and has an alibi for the entire weekend, which can be validated.
3. Marcus has not dated Tara since October of 2004
4. Marcus does not have a key to Tara's house.
5. Marcus has completed and passed every portion of a polygraph test.
6. Marcus' truck has completed a thorough investigation and the only thing found were cob webs behind the seat where he needed to clean the seats.

englishleigh
11-09-2005, 10:11 AM
Bumping for Tara....any new news??

fourboys
11-09-2005, 10:26 AM
Ocilla police call off search for missing teacher

Posted on Wed, Nov. 09, 2005

More than two weeks after the search began for missing Irwin County teacher Tara Grinstead, volunteers and public safety officials have completed their search of the county, Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock said.

"Essentially, we are through unless we get any additional leads that would call us back," he said.

Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the Hawkinsville native and Irwin County High School teacher, who was last seen Oct. 22.

Cadaver dogs, horses, helicopters, four-wheelers and people on foot have searched every day since she was reported missing, Hancock said. More than 50 public safety agencies from across the state have assisted in the search of Irwin County, which spans 358 square miles, he said.

Hancock said some clothes have been found, but there's no indication they belong to Grinstead.

"I don't know whether to be excited that they didn't find anything or disappointed," he said. "It could be viewed both ways."

Hancock said that a latex glove, found outside of Grinstead's home shortly after she was reported missing, is being processed for fingerprints and DNA. He said it's not yet known if the glove is related to her disappearance.

Hancock said little has changed in the investigation and that there are no suspects in the disappearance of Grinstead, a former Miss Tifton and a past contestant in the Miss Georgia pageant.

Continued:

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/13117648.htm

concernedperson
11-09-2005, 10:39 AM
This is the transcripts of Greta's interview with the ex-boyfriend Marcus Harper.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

CrimeHater
11-10-2005, 12:36 AM
It sounds like she was more distraught over the break up even a year later (since they broke up 10/04) than more people knew about. I wonder about suicide as her ex-boy friend claimed she had threatened... yet where is she and how did she get there? Sometimes people are so depressed and others aren't even aware of it. I know when I broke up with my now husband- NO ONE knew how I really felt and reacted behind closed doors. I was miserable and thank God that he helped me get through that point. I hope she hadn't heard something about him and someone else and just hit a breaking point.
He mentioned she had emailed him, I wonder what it said and if the "one last hug" statement was her way of saying good bye.

englishleigh
11-10-2005, 09:45 AM
It sounds like she was more distraught over the break up even a year later (since they broke up 10/04) than more people knew about. I wonder about suicide as her ex-boy friend claimed she had threatened... yet where is she and how did she get there? Sometimes people are so depressed and others aren't even aware of it. I know when I broke up with my now husband- NO ONE knew how I really felt and reacted behind closed doors. I was miserable and thank God that he helped me get through that point. I hope she hadn't heard something about him and someone else and just hit a breaking point.
He mentioned she had emailed him, I wonder what it said and if the "one last hug" statement was her way of saying good bye.


This is a good point. I hadn't thought about suicide. Poor Tara. :(

MrsMush99
11-10-2005, 10:40 AM
Why would she leave the house with her purse and her keys to commit suicide? I don't know, it doesn't seem right to me. The necklace on the floor, the clock under the bed. And she did live alone in the house, why wouldn't she kill herself there?

concernedperson
11-10-2005, 10:45 AM
Why would she leave the house with her purse and her keys to commit suicide? I don't know, it doesn't seem right to me. The necklace on the floor, the clock under the bed. And she did live alone in the house, why wouldn't she kill herself there?

All good points. Add to that her car was at home. Unless she walked to her suicide.

MrsMush99
11-10-2005, 10:53 AM
Right concerned, the car. I actually had that in my mind too but forgot to add it to my post. :doh: I just can't figure out what happened to her. If there was a struggle in her bedroom, why did she take her purse and keys? Very strange.

BrendaStar
11-10-2005, 06:06 PM
I wonder about suicide as her ex-boy friend claimed she had threatened...

When I saw the boyfriend claiming that she was going to committ suicide over him, the red flags went up...........

docwho3
11-10-2005, 06:07 PM
When I saw the boyfriend claiming that she was going to committ suicide over him, the red flags went up...........I agree. That usually raises flags for me also.

petra
11-10-2005, 06:18 PM
I agree. That usually raises flags for me also.
ditto.

read the link above of bf and GVS, thought it wae odd that bf did not use her name...only once when he was quoting himself speaking to Tara. certainly sounded like he was depersonalizing her.

also..what was he doing out with some wildlife official to 5-5.30 am????? i know he supposedly passed poly and has airtight alibies, but something is amiss:waitasec:

IMO

concernedperson
11-10-2005, 06:52 PM
Right concerned, the car. I actually had that in my mind too but forgot to add it to my post. :doh: I just can't figure out what happened to her. If there was a struggle in her bedroom, why did she take her purse and keys? Very strange.

I still think she received a phone call from someone she had no fear of and was requested for some kind of help. That could be why she didn't take her cell phone......she was very comfortable with this caller. I believe the cat knocked over the clock and the lamp was already cracked. I saw pics of her home.

It wasn't exactly the neatest house I have ever seen (no offense just an observation). Clutter clusters around and add to that a known aggressive cat and well, you can imagine. There were no real signs of an immense struggle.

I think she took her purse (drivers license) and keys to rescue someone she knew who needed help. Then it went downhill from there. Someone returned her car with the seats placed further back than this 5'3" female and didn't steal the money that was in the console. So, robbery was not the motive.

adit
11-10-2005, 07:31 PM
I think she took her purse (drivers license) and keys to rescue someone she knew who needed help. Then it went downhill from there. Someone returned her car with the seats placed further back than this 5'3" female and didn't steal the money that was in the console. So, robbery was not the motive.
Does anyone else find it odd that she had $300 in the console of her car, unlocked no less. Why would someone have/keep that kind of money in their console? Seems like it would be a bit much to be "emergency" money. Have they done forensic analysis of her car? Everytime I see it, it's parked at her house. I figure they probably took prints and sprayed it with luminol, but wonder if any further testing was done?

Trino
11-10-2005, 09:45 PM
Does anyone else find it odd that she had $300 in the console of her car, unlocked no less. Why would someone have/keep that kind of money in their console? Seems like it would be a bit much to be "emergency" money. Have they done forensic analysis of her car? Everytime I see it, it's parked at her house. I figure they probably took prints and sprayed it with luminol, but wonder if any further testing was done?

Ocilla is small town America, a place where the sheriff usually as little to do. If you reference the site below, there's much info on the case.

I sounds like Harper's lawyer couldn't fit the poly into HIS schedule, which fueled speculation, but Harper later took and passed it. Harper apparently is not a suspect. He was in the company of either a DNR or a law enforcement friend until 5:30 a.m., a really good alibi. It's a strange case, even stranger when you consider the county search has officially ended. It's now volunteer.

http://findtara.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=fcae8ed6a86d8c8aefd369e91cd999f8

PrayersForMaura
11-11-2005, 12:20 AM
Does anyone else find it odd that she had $300 in the console of her car, unlocked no less. Why would someone have/keep that kind of money in their console? Seems like it would be a bit much to be "emergency" money. Have they done forensic analysis of her car? Everytime I see it, it's parked at her house. I figure they probably took prints and sprayed it with luminol, but wonder if any further testing was done?
Yes, I brought that up a few posts back. $300 cash is a LOT to have in a car, especially when it's unlocked.
:(

PrayersForMaura
11-11-2005, 12:23 AM
Why would she leave the house with her purse and her keys to commit suicide? I don't know, it doesn't seem right to me. The necklace on the floor, the clock under the bed. And she did live alone in the house, why wouldn't she kill herself there?There was a series of stories about people jumping off the bridge in San Fran and they would lay their purse or wallet down on the ground before jumping.
It's kind of a note that they didn't leave saying goodbye.

It was an interesting read... a 7-part series.
I will try to find it.

I am leaning towards the suicide theory myself.
Everything I've read has indicated she was pursuing her ex, and she was not over him.
:(

PrayersForMaura
11-11-2005, 12:37 AM
Here's the link I mentioned above: http://www.sfgate.com/lethalbeauty/ .

In some of the suicide stories, the people just left their wallets, personal items, etc. on the ground and then jumped. It's just a theory I'm leaning towards. I hope Tara's alive somewhere, but some of the stores I've read in the media have really depicted her as being depressed and still in love with her ex. Maybe her ex is telling the truth and she was thinking about suicide.

CrimeHater
11-11-2005, 12:33 PM
In some of the suicide stories, the people just left their wallets, personal items, etc. on the ground and then jumped. It's just a theory I'm leaning towards. I hope Tara's alive somewhere, but some of the stores I've read in the media have really depicted her as being depressed and still in love with her ex. Maybe her ex is telling the truth and she was thinking about suicide.

I agree with you. A week earlier she had said her good byes to Harper...Maybe she felt like she owed it to the girls in the pagent to be there for them. The only real question is how she got to where she is. Are there any lakes, river around. How did she do it? I can see her taking her purse and leaving her cell so she wouldn't call or get a call to change her mind....
That's just a theroy of course. As far as her car- she could have moved the seat back for something as simple as dropping something and reaching for it. Any other time it wouldn't be unnormal, but since she's missing it would definatly stand out.
The money is also a weird situation. Maybe she is careless like that, maybe she had just gotten paid for something at the pagent. I have a friend who does shows like that and they pay her cash. I think if the money was involved in her circumstances we never would have seen it. She would have had it or someone else.

Trino
11-11-2005, 04:52 PM
It seems eons ago that I was Tara's age, but way back then I had a similar break-up with a guy. I, too, went a little crazy, took long drives, may have even been guilty of stalking had there been such a thing. I can appreciate her frame of mind.

Could Tara have been upset again over Harper? He apparently was at the pageant on Saturday afternoon; I would guess she saw him there.

I think she couldn't sleep or slept only a few hours, then left on her own somewhere between 11:30 and 6:00 to take a drive. I suspect she left earlier rather than later, since her cell phone was charging, and she didn't take it. This takes Harper off the suspect list, since his whereabouts are known until 5:30 a.m.

Where did she go? Probably to Harper's, but maybe just for a drive. Did she see Harper, or is he not at all involved; she could have been abducted anywhere along her drive.

I think, however, that someone she knew brought returned her car - seat just a little too far back. Then, too, her dog began barking around 7:00 a.m. Sunday. What else might have made the dog bark but thinking Tara had just come home?

The inside of her house does not show enough signs to support a struggle. The sister said the lamp was askew, not knocked over. The unlocked door was above the carport. Her message board said it hadn't been opened in years.

MistyGirl
11-11-2005, 05:06 PM
Just a thought but what if she did she Harper at the pagaent and for whatever reason showed up at his house later all up set and distraught maybe he wasn't home and she did something to herself there so he would find her and then he panicked and got rid of her body and brought her car back to the house.... that might be why the seat was farfther back then she would have had it.

Very strange case but something tells me this EX-Boy friend knows more then he is saying. Just a feeling I have anyhow.

CrimeHater
11-11-2005, 05:24 PM
Just a thought but what if she did she Harper at the pagaent and for whatever reason showed up at his house later all up set and distraught maybe he wasn't home and she did something to herself there so he would find her and then he panicked and got rid of her body and brought her car back to the house.... that might be why the seat was farfther back then she would have had it.
When did he say that he went to the pagent? In his interview with Greta the other night he said he hadn't seen her in a week, other than getting two emails from her.

PrayersForMaura
11-11-2005, 05:29 PM
I usually blame the ex in these scenarios and a few pages back I wanted to blame him but this time, I really can't bring myself to blame him. I've just read in too many places that she was distraught, pulled off the road, this and that. I mean, I guess it is possible that she could have taken it too far and really got on his nerves or something and it was an accident but he seems to have really been over her. She is really beautiful, though, and seems to have been quite a catch. That's what really gets me. I know a lot of women who are in similar spots ... they are smart, beautiful, sweet, good job, great life ahead of them and they could have pretty much any guy but they pine over the one they can't have.... :(

It's odd though that she hasn't turned up, which does lead me to think foul play.

This one is very, very strange.
I just hope she is found soon. And the longer she is not showing up, the worse the outcome is seeming.

MistyGirl
11-11-2005, 05:39 PM
When did he say that he went to the pagent? In his interview with Greta the other night he said he hadn't seen her in a week, other than getting two emails from her.
[QUOTE=Trino]Could Tara have been upset again over Harper? He apparently was at the pageant on Saturday afternoon; I would guess she saw him there."

I guess the only place I saw that he attended the pagaent was in the post above by Trino. So I am not sure if that is true or not but when I read it that idea popped into my mind. Just thinking out loud.....

adit
11-11-2005, 05:41 PM
When did he say that he went to the pagent? In his interview with Greta the other night he said he hadn't seen her in a week, other than getting two emails from her.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't at the pageant. I think somebody, somewhere on one of these boards took "he was in town that day" and turned it into "he was at the pageant" and somehow it's been passed along as fact. That information is false.

petra
11-11-2005, 05:44 PM
I'm pretty sure he wasn't at the pageant. I think somebody, somewhere on one of these boards took "he was in town that day" and turned it into "he was at the pageant" and somehow it's been passed along as fact. That information is false.
Okay folks, happens to all of us..below is link to his interveiw:)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

petra
11-11-2005, 05:54 PM
xBF says last time he saw Tara was friday morn at 9am on oct 14....then when asked if he saw her again, he says yes, later that day at 4pm when Tara came to his house....etc.


I find this transcript a bit alarming...xBF never mentions Tara's name..depersonalizing her. Except one time when he quotes himself.

adit
11-11-2005, 05:57 PM
Just a thought but what if she did she Harper at the pagaent and for whatever reason showed up at his house later all up set and distraught maybe he wasn't home and she did something to herself there so he would find her and then he panicked and got rid of her body and brought her car back to the house.... that might be why the seat was farfther back then she would have had it.

Very strange case but something tells me this EX-Boy friend knows more then he is saying. Just a feeling I have anyhow.
Good theory, one problem, though, is he lives with one of his parents and I'm thinking the parent would have been home.

adit
11-11-2005, 06:02 PM
As far as her car- she could have moved the seat back for something as simple as dropping something and reaching for it. Any other time it wouldn't be unnormal, but since she's missing it would definatly stand out.
I'm wondering if when she drives, since she's pretty short, she has to sit fairly close to the steering wheel. This might make it hard to get out of the car, especially if it's a bucket seat, so when she exits maybe she pushes the seat back a bit. Could explain the seat being out of position.

Marilynilpa
11-11-2005, 06:07 PM
I'm wondering if when she drives, since she's pretty short, she has to sit fairly close to the steering wheel. This might make it hard to get out of the car, especially if it's a bucket seat, so when she exits maybe she pushes the seat back a bit. Could explain the seat being out of position.
That's a good point. I'm fairly short, and I often push my seat back before getting out of the car.

concernedperson
11-11-2005, 06:19 PM
I'm pretty sure he wasn't at the pageant. I think somebody, somewhere on one of these boards took "he was in town that day" and turned it into "he was at the pageant" and somehow it's been passed along as fact. That information is false.

I got an email from the Tara website stating that another board was being set up for discussion, not hers. It seems emotions are flying and quite a lot of this kind of thing is ongoing.

MistyGirl
11-11-2005, 06:26 PM
I didn't mean to start a rumour I just had read it in a post and thought well maybe so and so happened. I do aplogize!

concernedperson
11-11-2005, 06:32 PM
I didn't mean to start a rumour I just had read it in a post and thought well maybe so and so happened. I do aplogize!

Don't apologize discussion takes all kinds of turns especially when local folks join in. Boundaries are drawn almost immediately depending on who they know in the situation.

Trino
11-12-2005, 09:06 PM
Word on the General Discussion forum is that LE feels Tara left on her own. It seems her name has been deleted from the Georgia Bureau of Investigations site.
http://findtara.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=83&sid=7835613c49f5c249d98b08f8bd9a200f

concernedperson
11-12-2005, 09:13 PM
Word on the General Discussion forum is that Tara left on her own. It seems her name has been deleted from the FBI missing persons site.

http://findtara.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=fcae8ed6a86d8c8aefd369e91cd999f8

I heard that and have been searching and can't find anything to verify.Is she another Jennifer Wilbanks? I certainly hope she isn't over the edge for some guy who said he wasn't interested in marriage. Good Lord, we have all come so far. This pageantry aspect reminds me of Patsy Ramsey and those stupid goals.

Not denigrating southern traditions as I am southern too. But come on...we all are worth more than that.

Trino
11-12-2005, 10:12 PM
Not denigrating southern traditions as I am southern too. But come on...we all are worth more than that.

Tara was nearly 31, lived in a very small town, her boyfriend of 6 years didn't want marriage, which was very important to her, not much hope of meeting Mr. Right.

I agree that we are worth more than this, and it's sad if she would go this crazy over a guy, but maybe she wanted marriage and a family more than anything. I just hope she's safe.

concernedperson
11-12-2005, 10:26 PM
Tara was nearly 31, lived in a very small town, her boyfriend of 6 years didn't want marriage, which was very important to her, not much hope of meeting Mr. Right.

I agree that we are worth more than this, and it's sad if she would go this crazy over a guy, but maybe she wanted marriage and a family more than anything. I just hope she's safe.

You know I want her to be safe. Jeez, more than anything. But if this is a hoax (Thanks Jennifer Wilbanks) I don't want any of us to be qualified by a man but rather what we do as individuals. If you want to have kids without the benefit of marriage and you can support them, do it. Love goes beyond all boundaries. I love my kids and the love I feel for them never had anything to do with a man. Although, I have been hurt by a few but it never defined me.

mic730
11-12-2005, 10:37 PM
Maybe Tara did leave on her own. I don't know what to think. However, if someone pulls a stunt like this I think they have serious mental problems beyond wanting marriage and children at 31. There are a lot of single 31 year old women that would never consider doing something crazy like running away in this manner. Truly most single women are not that desperate.
I have always thought Jennifer Wilbanks had far more serious issues than wanting out of her wedding.
According to this article the search was complete and that is why it ended.
However, I can't explain her pic. and info being pulled from the GBI site.


New Phase in Search for Tara Grinstead
By Marilyn Bardsley
Ocilla, GA (Crime Library) - Tara Grinstead's family and the Ocilla community was shocked when recent headlines suggested that the search for Tara had been called off. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The reality is that the intensive 2-week initial effort to search the 358 square miles of Irwin County involving 50 law enforcement and safety agencies using helicopters, planes, ATVs, horses, etc. was completed.

more at link...
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1101_tara_grinstead_volunteers.html

concernedperson
11-12-2005, 10:45 PM
Maybe Tara did leave on her own. I don't know what to think. However, if someone pulls a stunt like this I think they have serious mental problems beyond wanting marriage and children at 31. There are a lot of single 31 year old women that would never consider doing something crazy like running away. Truly most single women are not that desperate.

I agree. I don't what is going on. The GBI website is gone. They have called off the search and it just leaves you to wonder.I wish someone would come aboard with real facts. I am not about being duped again when there are serious cases out there. God forbid she is injured but so are a lot of others. The others...and there are so many...deserve our attention. What is going on?

mic730
11-12-2005, 10:48 PM
I agree. I don't what is going on. The GBI website is gone. They have called off the search and it just leaves you to wonder.I wish someone would come aboard with real facts. I am not about being duped again when there are serious cases out there. God forbid she is injured but so are a lot of others. The others...and there are so many...deserve our attention. What is going on?

I just added some info to my post CP.
I don't know what is going on but I hope it gets resolved.
I wish the GBI would say why the removed the link.
It was there right? I never went there until tonight.

Trino
11-12-2005, 11:48 PM
New Phase in Search for Tara Grinstead
By Marilyn Bardsley
Ocilla, GA (Crime Library) - Tara Grinstead's family and the Ocilla community was shocked when recent headlines suggested that the search for Tara had been called off. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The reality is that the intensive 2-week initial effort to search the 358 square miles of Irwin County involving 50 law enforcement and safety agencies using helicopters, planes, ATVs, horses, etc. was completed.
more at link...
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1101_tara_grinstead_volunteers.html

Maybe I'm completely off base, but something seems wrong about the search. She's off the GBI site and the General Discussion say LE (not family) may feel she left on her own.

RPPaolin
11-13-2005, 12:09 AM
is it possible she contacted LE and asked not to be found?

Bigun21
11-13-2005, 12:50 AM
Take a look at the discussions board on Findtara.com. The house fire. SUV burned along with the house. The housesitter is an ex cop and friend of the ex boyfriend. The removal of Tara from the GBI website. LE calling off the search. All of this happening at about the same time. It makes me want to believe that there is a lot of info out here that is not being disclosed to the public. If that is true though, why has family members been interviewed this week and they haven't told the public anything. This makes me think something is up with this whole case. But I knew after the first few days with all the LE officials that had relationships with Tara, it was going to be a hard case to solve. My hope and prayer is that she is still alive and will be back with her family soon.

Trino
11-13-2005, 09:15 AM
It may have been misinformation that Tara was taken off the GBI web cage.

It's actually still on the GBI site but not on the Main index page....

No one knows why yet...


http://findtara.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=65&start=30&sid=73049a66597106192560c4fcf39f0c6b

Pandora
11-13-2005, 10:02 AM
I was under the impression that they found $300.00 in her car. If she left on her own, why wouldn't she have taken that money with her? I can understand creating some kind of "misdirection" if she didn't want to be found, but $300.00?

Trino
11-13-2005, 12:40 PM
I was under the impression that they found $300.00 in her car. If she left on her own, why wouldn't she have taken that money with her? I can understand creating some kind of "misdirection" if she didn't want to be found, but $300.00?

I believe the $300.00 was found in her house.

The one big thing that bothers me is that I don't think she would abandon her cat and dog.

Tammie63
11-13-2005, 05:14 PM
Long but a good read...

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/1.html (http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/1.html)

PrayersForMaura
11-13-2005, 07:13 PM
I believe the $300.00 was found in her house.

The one big thing that bothers me is that I don't think she would abandon her cat and dog.
I read that the $300.00 cash was found in the glove compartment or car console.
:doh:

I'm sure there are a lot of versions out there.
I'll try to find the link where I saw it. Who knows what the truth is at this point.

ketel0ne
11-14-2005, 04:52 PM
Observing Tara’s Birthday
There will be a Birthday Celebration for Tara tonight (11/14) at Tara’s home beginning at 7pm.
300 W Park St. ~ Ocilla, GA
The family would be pleased at your attendance.
There will be a prayer and candle lighting to honor Tara and the quest to find her.






(http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1401_tara_grinstead_ocilla_tension1.html)Disappear ance of Tara Grinstead Divides City (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1401_tara_grinstead_ocilla_tension1.html)
by Marilyn Bardsley

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library) —Tara Grinstead’s students and friends are gathering at her home in Ocilla today with cards, and banners and maybe even a couple of prayers. It’s not a celebration, though today is Tara Grinstead’s 31st birthday. It’s a memorial to a mystery.

No one knows why she is not home in Ocilla, GA to celebrate her birthday. All anyone knows for certain is that her disappearance has left a deep hole in the community, and a stranger, peering in that crevice where Tara used to be can see the first cracks of a deep, subterranean crevice that threatens to rip this close knit rural community apart. (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1401_tara_grinstead_ocilla_tension1.html)More……… (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1401_tara_grinstead_ocilla_tension1.html)

(http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1401_tara_grinstead_ocilla_tension1.html)

LillyRush
11-15-2005, 04:12 AM
I agree. I don't what is going on. The GBI website is gone. They have called off the search and it just leaves you to wonder.I wish someone would come aboard with real facts. I am not about being duped again when there are serious cases out there. God forbid she is injured but so are a lot of others. The others...and there are so many...deserve our attention. What is going on?Didn't Sue Ann Ray's family also express problems with the GBI?
That is interesting that there are so many barriers with the GBI, especially in light of the fact that Tara seemed to have so many LE acquaintances.

GeorgiaPeach
11-15-2005, 10:28 AM
I'm a little confused as to why everyone thinks Tara has been removed from the GBI site. I looked and she is there. See link.....

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/missing.html

:woohoo:

concernedperson
11-15-2005, 11:03 AM
I'm a little confused as to why everyone thinks Tara has been removed from the GBI site. I looked and she is there. See link.....

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/missing.html

:woohoo:

It was removed from the front page and people assumed it was removed completely.

concernedperson
11-15-2005, 11:09 AM
Didn't Sue Ann Ray's family also express problems with the GBI?
That is interesting that there are so many barriers with the GBI, especially in light of the fact that Tara seemed to have so many LE acquaintances.

I read a post yesterday about Sue Ann Ray's dad and a private detective going to a hearing regarding returning of personal items from Quinton Ray. The family was pleased as there was a large GBI presense at the hearing at their request.So, I don't know your answer,.

As far as Tara, they are being extremely closed mouth. I want to know if any transactions have occurred on her bank cards.

ketel0ne
11-16-2005, 12:15 PM
COP IS QUIZZED OVER MISSING BEAUTY QUEEN -- WAS TARA HAVING AFFAIR WITH MARRIED OFFICER? (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63335)- National Enquirer

Not giving this any play one way or the other, just putting out there.

docwho3
11-16-2005, 12:43 PM
COP IS QUIZZED OVER MISSING BEAUTY QUEEN -- WAS TARA HAVING AFFAIR WITH MARRIED OFFICER? (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63335)- National Enquirer

Not giving this any play one way or the other, just putting out there.
Cool! Thanks for the info.

ThoughtFox
11-16-2005, 04:18 PM
Hopefully we'll hear more about those 20 phone calls mentioned in the Enquirer article. It's always the same sad story, isn't it. :( The Enquirer is sometimes right on the money.

I just read about the vigil for Tara's birthday. She has the same birthday as my late mother. My heart just goes out to all the family and friends in Ocilla - this is a real small-town tragedy.

ketel0ne
11-16-2005, 05:17 PM
Let's Find Tara Message Board (http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi)

Hbgchick
11-18-2005, 02:42 PM
I have a question I haven't seen answered anywhere. Where are Tara's dog and cat?

Tammie63
11-18-2005, 10:37 PM
Texas Equusearch (http://www.texasequusearch.org/index.html)and Tim Miller are going to Ocilla, GA to help aid in the search for the missing school teacher, Tara Grinstead (http://missingexploited.com/?cat=39).

http://missingexploited.com/?p=219 (http://missingexploited.com/?p=219)

concernedperson
11-18-2005, 10:45 PM
Texas Equusearch (http://www.texasequusearch.org/index.html)and Tim Miller are going to Ocilla, GA to help aid in the search for the missing school teacher, Tara Grinstead (http://missingexploited.com/?cat=39).

http://missingexploited.com/?p=219 (http://missingexploited.com/?p=219)

This is really good news.As I was feeling hopelessness in this case. With forums being shut down and no news at least there is a new effort. Something is seriously wrong here...I don't like that LE won't talk and won't give out clues to the public for help...it is feeling like Aruba.

CrimeHater
11-19-2005, 04:40 PM
I had contimplated suicide as the reason she was missing, but now with this information on the married man... I'm having my doubts. Maybe she threatened to tell the wife if he didn't leave. If at a someone in LE was involved they are probably going to want to keep it top secret.

I have been told so many times that cops are the biggest cheaters (NO offense... just repeating what I've been told) This just wouldn't make LE look to good if this turns out true.

S_FL
11-19-2005, 05:15 PM
xBF says last time he saw Tara was friday morn at 9am on oct 14....then when asked if he saw her again, he says yes, later that day at 4pm when Tara came to his house....etc.


I find this transcript a bit alarming...xBF never mentions Tara's name..depersonalizing her. Except one time when he quotes himself.
I agree. I saw this discrepency of when he says he last saw her and thought it was strange. Maybe it's getting too hard to keep up with all of his lies and he slipped. I'm sure the GBI caught this huge discrepency....at least I hope they did. IMO I think the ex killed her by the way he talks about her (as you noted depersonalizing her), his discrepency on the last time he saw her, and he was in town that weekend. He had a motive and he was in the area.

PrayersForMaura
11-19-2005, 06:18 PM
I had contimplated suicide as the reason she was missing, but now with this information on the married man... I'm having my doubts. Maybe she threatened to tell the wife if he didn't leave. If at a someone in LE was involved they are probably going to want to keep it top secret.

I have been told so many times that cops are the biggest cheaters (NO offense... just repeating what I've been told) This just wouldn't make LE look to good if this turns out true.
I absolutely agree with you...

PrayersForMaura
11-19-2005, 06:19 PM
Let's Find Tara Message Board (http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi)
why did the other boards shut down?

PrayersForMaura
11-19-2005, 07:00 PM
Decided to start a thread here to discuss the case since our thread in the news and info in the support for the missing forum is starting to turn into discussion :blushing:
(I'm the worst offender)

There ARE other places to discuss Tara's case:

www.talktara.com (http://www.talktara.com/) recently shut down but will be back up and running in a week or so, possibly.
The guest book on www.findtara.com (http://www.findtara.com/) is now back up and running and I think their forum will be back up and running soon (on 11/22) but isn't at the moment...
I believe http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi just started and is getting going.
But we have great sleuthers right here at WS....

So, how about some nice discussion right here? :blowkiss:

murraydwyer
11-19-2005, 07:04 PM
I received this message from the webmaster of Tara's website...though, I don't really know what went on:

As you may know there has been a lot of controversy on the forum. That was not the intention when it was created. I still believe that it can be a constructive meeting place for those interested in finding Tara. I prefer the focus to be on that. With that said, I spent all day making various contacts to see if someone else was willing to run a forum for people who want to explore things that we're not comfortable with here. I found someone who would.

Our forum will focus on latebreaking news, news coverage, search efforts, psychic insights, etc. The other forum is out of my hands.

He is working on it now and said it will be up and running soon. It is www.talktara.com (http://)

I don't know what it will turn in to and frankly don't want to. I hope everyone will continue to participate here but at least everyone has a choice now. I hope anyway.

Regards to all....

concernedperson
11-19-2005, 07:34 PM
I am glad you started the discussion area. I have been very confused about this case and have read as much as I could find about this case. It is locking up pretty tight. Especially with the other boards going down.

With that being said I didn't learn much new info as the lines seemed to be drawn with who knew who locally. Other than the burned down house on 11-7-05 there wasn't anything of value. My biggest question was were her bank or credit cards used after she went missing.....a poster somewhere else said no. But that poster has since been claimed invalid.

Actually, in my opinion, there are a lot a of variables. Several men in her life...the ex-boyfriend, the obsessive boy, the married cop and the next door neighbor. Not pointing fingers at any of them but all of them have had a reason to be around Tara in the past. But is there a reason not to be around her in the future?

PrayersForMaura
11-19-2005, 08:12 PM
I keep reading that the guy she was currently seeing was a cop who may have been married and that he called her 20 times the night she disappeared. I don't know if this is fact or fiction. There was also "rumors" that she was going to tell his wife about her.

I can't keep up with what's true and false in this case. The other boards have a lot of locals posting there.

This guy she was dating wasn't the ex that she was apparently not "over". That guy was the one she was still in love with and had dated for about 6 years and wanted to marry but he didn't want commitment.

The student was now 20 and I had read he had a crush or obsession with her, but he has voluntarily taken a polygraph and passed.

I don't know about the neighbor... was he just the guy who knew that she had always turned her bedroom light on when she was home??

All I know for sure is Tara is beautiful. What man wouldn't find her attractive?
Now if she is or was emotionally unstable? That I do not know. But I do know some guy do not find needy woman attractive.
Who knows how she was?

All I know is, this case is really odd.

concernedperson
11-19-2005, 08:20 PM
The neighbor had a key to her house. He was the one that took her car and cleaned it after it was fingerprinted. He also cut the grass. He seems grandfatherly but I don't know. He had a lot of access and he and his wife went to a cabin the day Tara went missing.Nothing I am saying is accusatory and could be normal for a small town. Like I said, not enough info being released to give an intelligent analysis. So speculation is up in the air.

PrayersForMaura
11-19-2005, 08:23 PM
The neighbor had a key to her house. He was the one that took her car and cleaned it after it was fingerprinted. He also cut the grass. He seems grandfatherly but I don't know. He had a lot of access and he and his wife went to a cabin the day Tara went missing.Nothing I am saying is accusatory and could be normal for a small town. Like I said, not enough info being released to give an intelligent analysis. So speculation is up in the air.
OH yeah! I did read about him. That does sound fishy.
I wonder if he has taken a lie detector test?
I would definitely look into that.
The dog would probably trust him, too, since he's a neighbor.

CrimeHater
11-20-2005, 05:14 PM
Updated Crime Librabry story. Says all three guys have been cleared of any suspicions.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1803_grinstead_suspects.html

mic730
11-20-2005, 08:51 PM
I received this message from the webmaster of Tara's website...though, I don't really know what went on:

As you may know there has been a lot of controversy on the forum. That was not the intention when it was created. I still believe that it can be a constructive meeting place for those interested in finding Tara. I prefer the focus to be on that. With that said, I spent all day making various contacts to see if someone else was willing to run a forum for people who want to explore things that we're not comfortable with here. I found someone who would.

Our forum will focus on latebreaking news, news coverage, search efforts, psychic insights, etc. The other forum is out of my hands.

He is working on it now and said it will be up and running soon. It is www.talktara.com (http://)

I don't know what it will turn in to and frankly don't want to. I hope everyone will continue to participate here but at least everyone has a choice now. I hope anyway.

Regards to all....

Thanks for getting that info!

PrayersForMaura
11-21-2005, 12:14 AM
Updated Crime Librabry story. Says all three guys have been cleared of any suspicions.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/1803_grinstead_suspects.html
and the neighbor who had the key to her house and washed the car?

Hbgchick
11-21-2005, 04:07 PM
Does anyone know where her dog and cat were when the police arrived to search for her?

concernedperson
11-21-2005, 06:39 PM
Does anyone know where her dog and cat were when the police arrived to search for her?

The dog was in the back yard and the cat was in the house according to early reports I read. Any reason you ask this?

I read that Court TV reporters will be going to Ocilla on Tuesday, I think tomorrow Tuesday not next week's Tuesday. It has to do with Tim Miller and the search that they will be doing. Hopefully they will have some news about this case which has gone eerily quiet.

Tammie63
11-22-2005, 01:57 AM
In the world of anything is possible... this was interesting

http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1132431799 (http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1132431799)

Hbgchick
11-22-2005, 10:11 AM
The dog was in the back yard and the cat was in the house according to early reports I read. Any reason you ask this?

I read that Court TV reporters will be going to Ocilla on Tuesday, I think tomorrow Tuesday not next week's Tuesday. It has to do with Tim Miller and the search that they will be doing. Hopefully they will have some news about this case which has gone eerily quiet.
Yes. An animal lover would be sure that their pets would be safe, fed, and cared for if they were planning on suicide or a voluntary disappearance.
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concernedperson
11-22-2005, 02:14 PM
Crime Library has a new story. Could GBI be dropping the ball?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/2201_grinstead_probe_less.html

PrayersForMaura
11-22-2005, 03:02 PM
In the world of anything is possible... this was interesting

http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1132431799 (http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1132431799)
That is very interesting.
The SoS thing is very interesting.

Human trafficking is very possible these days.
And there is no trace of Tara.
I wonder if she's been kidnapped abroad?

Is she being held in China?
How odd would that be?

Trino
11-22-2005, 06:48 PM
That is very interesting.
The SoS thing is very interesting.

Actually, there's a lot about this case that's interesting. It is my understanding that nearly all of Ocilla is somehow related to this case, either through distant relatives, the early suspects, or the investigators, and most people are very opinionated. Two "boards" were removed because of opinions, and even the new one has had some posts removed. I just don't understand, but, then, I don't live in Ocilla.

The GBI is also acting very strangely. Why remove her pic from the front page? Is it still there at all?

The sheriff's physical investigation seems done, as in, "Well, we've checked everything in the county..." But, what about other counties? Wasn't she attending classes outside Oscilla? Why hasn't anyone checked her classmates?

The home crime scene investigation from what I've read seemed sloppy - people walking in and out of the house, washing the car. Then, there's the possibility of a Good Ole Boy's LE association, since another office was once a suspect. What about the fire? LE says nothing.

Oscilla appears to have clammed up pretty tightly. Was Tara kidnapped? Did she leave voluntarily? Voluntarily, then abducted? Suicide? What's the real Oscilla theory?

Montanagirl
11-22-2005, 07:05 PM
I come from a very small town, although not as small as Ocilla sounds, but there are always two sides to every person. The public side and the private side. The Homecoming Queen who is an angel with her parents and a total crack smoking party girl with her friends, the Mayor who's a pillar of their community but beats his wife daily etc etc. All kids hide things from their parents and the rest of the world and I get the feeling that there is more to Tara than just a Beauty Queen. It's just my opinion, but I think she may have been having a hard time maintaining the beauty queen image, especially if the reports of an affair were true. It may have been too much to see a much of new queen candidates all together and looking forward and maybe Tara couldn't take that aspect of her life being over.

I think that this little town may not want a bunch of people looking through their dirty laundry and may have a good idea what may have happened but might not want to share. I hope to god that she hasn't done anything to herself, but I just don't get the feeling that someone else abducted or hurt her. JMHO.

Trino
11-23-2005, 06:15 PM
I think that this little town may not want a bunch of people looking through their dirty laundry and may have a good idea what may have happened but might not want to share. I hope to god that she hasn't done anything to herself, but I just don't get the feeling that someone else abducted or hurt her. JMHO.

I think YHO has good possibilities. Two sour love affairs, assuming there was one with D, is a lot to take. The only nagging question is would she abandon her dog and cat?

The inside of the house, according to LE, did not support the theory of a struggle; it was locked. (Not too many abductors would stop to lock the door when struggling with a kidnap victim.)

A lot of unanswered questions, for sure. I've read about Harper's tight alibi, but LE just said D was cleared. Why not a better explanation? Did he call her 20 times as the NE wrote, or wasn't that true.

concernedperson
11-23-2005, 06:26 PM
I think YHO has good possibilities. Two sour love affairs, assuming there was one with D, is a lot to take. The only nagging question is would she abandon her dog and cat?

The inside of the house, according to LE, did not support the theory of a struggle; it was locked. (Not too many abductors would stop to lock the door when struggling with a kidnap victim.)

A lot of unanswered questions, for sure. I've read about Harper's tight alibi, but LE just said D was cleared. Why not a better explanation? Did he call her 20 times as the NE wrote, or wasn't that true.

You ask a lot of good questions. LE is not giving any answers or providing any info as if to make this case go away. I still think she was lured out of her house by someone she trusted. Cell phone left in bathroom...talking on the phone touching up your makeup before you leave.

A woman who would attempt suicide, for instance, would do this at home. She would have pills and stage everything around her departure. So, IMO, suicide is out of the question.

nanandjim
11-23-2005, 06:52 PM
COP IS QUIZZED OVER MISSING BEAUTY QUEEN -- WAS TARA HAVING AFFAIR WITH MARRIED OFFICER? (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63335)- National Enquirer

Not giving this any play one way or the other, just putting out there.
Interesting...It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this were true. I hope they find Tara.

Trino
11-23-2005, 07:20 PM
Interesting...It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this were true. I hope they find Tara.

Yes, but if LE said that all three suspects were cleared. It still seems very suspicious that he called Tara 20 times, assuming that's true. Sure wish I were in on the conversations.

nanandjim
11-23-2005, 07:44 PM
Yes, but if LE said that all three suspects were cleared. It still seems very suspicious that he called Tara 20 times, assuming that's true. Sure wish I were in on the conversations.
LE may be saying that all suspects are cleared hoping that one of them will relax, slip up and make a mistake.

Trino
11-23-2005, 10:58 PM
LE may be saying that all suspects are cleared hoping that one of them will relax, slip up and make a mistake.

Good point. Harper has a good alibi, and I really don't think he was involved. It's hard to do any sort of sleuthing or have an opinion when everyone, including LE, is so tight-lipped. Gee, don't they want our help?

CW
11-24-2005, 02:34 AM
Tonight on Nancy Grace Tara's sister was once again asking for help in finding her sister. She stated that the police haven't really been working on her missing sister's case, Tara has been missing 32 days now, she was going to 2 different college's and the police have not even questioned anyone from the 2 college's. This is so sad...

Tammie63
11-24-2005, 02:56 AM
I wonder just what kind of training the LE has in missing persons cases..specially investigating????
transcripts from Nancy Grace Show 11/23
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/23/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/23/ng.01.html)

"GRACE: According to the sheriff, they have followed up all leads in the case of Tara Grinstead, a missing beauty queen.

But I want to straight out to her brother-in-law, Larry Gattis. Larry, is it true police not questioned the people in her study groups at her schools?

LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD`S BROTHER-IN-LAW: That`s right, Nancy. I thought it might be helpful to find something out about things she did when she was outside of Oscilla, especially in class, and places she liked to go and some of her friends. So I made a trip there Monday night to Tifton (ph), at Abraham Baldwin College, where she had a class with Dr. Ronnie Green (ph).

And I had called him and spoke with him and the other professors earlier, and they invited me to the class and I went there Monday night. They were all really receptive, and I found to my surprise that they hadn`t talked to any law enforcement at all, the professors or the students.:banghead:

wish they would think outside the box....or heck at least outside their small community...

docwho3
11-24-2005, 03:01 AM
I feel as if I am missing something in this case. This case has a handle but I am just not seeing it yet. Let me take a little bit of time here to muse out loud.

Ok she did not step into the twilight zone. She never switched on the light when she got home so she was already in distress and wanted the neighbors to know. How could she already be in distress when she got inside the home?

Wait, How do I know she got home? Did anyone see her go inside her home? I need to reread some things. Her car came home but who drove it home?

Also:
When I first heard of this case with the clock time being off I wondered if it had been unplugged, possibly someone hiding under the bed had unplugged it accidently or something and then later had plugged it in again. But now I also wonder if the breaker switch on the breaker box had been switched off to ensure that she was unable to switch on a light. Maybe L.E. need to dust the breaker box switches too.

If she did indeed make it home with her car (as opposed to someone else driving her car home after having already killed her) then perhaps the lights would not turn on because someone already in the house had turned off the breaker. She might have been taken unawares in the dark before having a chance to struggle and hence the necklace left behind unseen because the killer did not see it fall in the dark and later missed it when the power was turned on again - just as the L.E. later missed it in daylight?

Now then . . hmmm how was the getaway made? If he had a car parked in front of her house wouldn't she have seen it and failed to enter her home?
This means either he had his car hidden elsewhere but not too far away or that she recognized the car as belonging to someone she trusted.

The mom (or was it grandmother - cant remember) stated on TV tonight that Tara was "just friends" with the cop that is a family friend but she didn't sound too terribly certain of it. I can just imagine a cop car at her house when she gets home and him out front saying "We think your home was broken into again. Let's go in and see if anything is missing." and he would have on evidence gloves to avoid contaminating the scene,or so he would say. Inside it would be dark because he had already flipped off the breaker.
And then as she gets in far enough he closes the door and . . . . then what? . . . hmmm he would need to quickly subdue her with no blood and little if any struggle. . . .quick side to side neck snap? or taser? head lock? hit on the head with gun? So he misses the necklace because he didnt see it fall when she fell against him and outside he loses one of the gloves outside because its dark and he didnt see it drop either. He flips on the breaker just before leaving.

Ok time to rewind a bit: Maybe someone other than the cop was waiting for her. But then I have to ask:Someone that had tried before to get in her home or one of his acquaintances? Or perhaps Ex bf or lover had hired someone to do the deed? I wonder if he thought to wear the gloves when flipping the breaker- if that is what happened.

I know. I know. This is all speculation for now and rambling at that. I will ponder this awhile longer. Hopefully I will someday have something better to offer regarding this case.

Bobbisangel
11-24-2005, 05:32 AM
Interesting...It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this were true. I hope they find Tara.



Tara's sister said tonight on one of the shows that the policeman is a family friend who has been a family friend for a long time. There was nothing going on between him and Tara. It sounded like the whole family is close to this policeman and his family. Just more gossip...it sounds like.

Bobbisangel
11-24-2005, 05:41 AM
Nancy covered three cases on her show tonight....Tara's case.....Sue Ann Ray's case and Leslie Adams case. In each case LE has done very little. GBI has taken over and don't seem to be doing much more. I know that two of the families have hired PI's to come in and help investigate the cases because they have no faith in LE. It was really sad listening to the families and their frustration with the investigators. I hope the PI's can find out some things that LE hasn't bothered checking out.

concernedperson
11-24-2005, 09:58 AM
Doc, all good thoughts. The breaker box was one I hadn't thought of and that would explain the clock being off several hours. The reason I think she made it home is because the clothes she wore that evening were found in the home under another pile of clothes. In addition, her cellphone was found in the bathroom and it has been said that she always carried it with her.

Trino
11-24-2005, 11:13 AM
Tara's sister said tonight on one of the shows that the policeman is a family friend who has been a family friend for a long time. There was nothing going on between him and Tara. It sounded like the whole family is close to this policeman and his family. Just more gossip...it sounds like.

Glad to know that. Rumors can ruin a person's reputation. So, it appears that someone outside of Oscilla may be involved. GBI - get busy!

docwho3
11-24-2005, 11:55 AM
Doc, all good thoughts. The breaker box was one I hadn't thought of and that would explain the clock being off several hours. The reason I think she made it home is because the clothes she wore that evening were found in the home under another pile of clothes. In addition, her cellphone was found in the bathroom and it has been said that she always carried it with her.That's the first I heard about her clothes from that day being in the bathroom and the cell phone too. Thats important to know too. Thx.

Do you know if the pile of clothes on top of her clothes were positioned in such a way that they could have been knocked over and just landed on top? Or were they piled as per getting ready to be put in the washing machine?

Are ther any other details I need to know, any other pieces of the puzzle in that home that I need to account for when theorizing?

Thanks for the help.

PrayersForMaura
11-25-2005, 08:03 AM
Doc, all good thoughts. The breaker box was one I hadn't thought of and that would explain the clock being off several hours. The reason I think she made it home is because the clothes she wore that evening were found in the home under another pile of clothes. In addition, her cellphone was found in the bathroom and it has been said that she always carried it with her.
I had read it was the home cordless phone in the bathroom, not the cell phone. Her cell phone was on her charger.
Where did you hear the cell phone was in the bathroom?

PrayersForMaura
11-25-2005, 08:17 AM
Tara's sister said tonight on one of the shows that the policeman is a family friend who has been a family friend for a long time. There was nothing going on between him and Tara. It sounded like the whole family is close to this policeman and his family. Just more gossip...it sounds like.
ok these policeman are family friends ... are these the same LE who are supposedly not doing anything to investigate or help solve this case, per Nancy Grace's transcrpt's and the post above yours??

Trino
11-25-2005, 10:29 AM
ok these policeman are family friends ... are these the same LE who are supposedly not doing anything to investigate or help solve this case, per Nancy Grace's transcrpt's and the post above yours??

Is it true (NE story) that the "family friend" called Tara some 20 times Saturday evening? Why would he have done this? Why would Tara have gotten upsetwhen he came to school? Maybe he is totally innocent, but I just can't put these rumors (?) aside.

CrimeHater
11-25-2005, 12:59 PM
I can see someone being concerened and calling about 4 or 5 times, but 20 seems obsesive. If he is a good friend of the family why didn't he call someone else in her family? Wouldn't the wife be a friend as well? Maybe he was a good friend but the wife had some issues (maybe they were too close).
JMO but maybe Tara's sister is saying this to protect Tara's reputation if she is still out there.

Trino
11-25-2005, 02:59 PM
I can see someone being concerened and calling about 4 or 5 times, but 20 seems obsesive. If he is a good friend of the family why didn't he call someone else in her family? Wouldn't the wife be a friend as well? Maybe he was a good friend but the wife had some issues (maybe they were too close).

I guess it's also possible, assuming LE's phone # was a home phone, that someone else in the family also called. But, why all the calls? There seems to be something that's missing.

Also, there has not been an answer as to why Tara went home from school crying when he showed up. Even if there wasn't an affair, something doesn't add up.

I'm basing these two things on the NE story and on forums that were shut down.

PrayersForMaura
11-25-2005, 05:09 PM
Is it true (NE story) that the "family friend" called Tara some 20 times Saturday evening? Why would he have done this? Why would Tara have gotten upsetwhen he came to school? Maybe he is totally innocent, but I just can't put these rumors (?) aside.
I have read that in multiple places, including on the three forums where friends and family seem to post (not here).

I also read about the older neighbor who has a key to her house, washed the car, things like that. That seemed odd to me, too.

I do suspect the married cop friend and the neighbor, but not the ex boyfriend or the kid who had a crush on her.
But I also think she could've run away.

Trino
11-25-2005, 09:03 PM
I do suspect the married cop friend and the neighbor, but not the ex boyfriend or the kid who had a crush on her.
But I also think she could've run away.

If the door was locked, it would appear she willingly left the house. However, someone still could have abducted her. I just can't figure out when she might have gone and why.

Bobbisangel
11-25-2005, 10:32 PM
ok these policeman are family friends ... are these the same LE who are supposedly not doing anything to investigate or help solve this case, per Nancy Grace's transcrpt's and the post above yours??


I have no idea what force the policeman that Nancy referred to is on. I haven't read the NE to know what was said there either about a policeman. I just know that Nancy asked the sister about the rumors involving a policeman and that is what her sister said....friend of whole family for many years.

Trino
11-26-2005, 10:14 AM
I have no idea what force the policeman that Nancy referred to is on. I haven't read the NE to know what was said there either about a policeman. I just know that Nancy asked the sister about the rumors involving a policeman and that is what her sister said....friend of whole family for many years.

Thought this might clarify things.

http://www.missingabducted.com/index.php/2005/11/18

Challenging a report in the National Enquirer that “a married police officer,” had called Tara some 20 times before her disappearance, the source said it would make sense that Dykes, who was privy to the emotional distress Tara had been suffering as a result of her breakup, would have repeatedly to reach the woman he regarded as a close friend and confident. In fact, though Tara was not officially reported missing until Monday the 24, several people had noticed her absence on Sunday and some, Dykes among them, had telephoned her home looking for her.

Bobbisangel
11-29-2005, 11:52 PM
Nothing new on Tara I guess. Evidentally the searches haven't turned up anything. I was hoping that they would. If someone took her somewhere she could end up anywhere....even a state or two away. I wish something would break on this case. My heart goes out to Tara's family.

concernedperson
11-30-2005, 12:09 AM
Nothing new on Tara I guess. Evidentally the searches haven't turned up anything. I was hoping that they would. If someone took her somewhere she could end up anywhere....even a state or two away. I wish something would break on this case. My heart goes out to Tara's family.I am reading anywhere I can and nothing new. It is so frustrating but don't worry if anythng pops up I will report.

ketel0ne
11-30-2005, 12:15 AM
I find the lack of coverage incredible.

Either the family is driving it, or GBI and LE is just this inept. Every Georgia case looks the same at this point.

Sueann Ray
Tara Grinstead
Leslie Adams

And all the ones who never got coverage in the first place.

docwho3
11-30-2005, 02:40 AM
Are we still awaiting DNA tests results on that glove?

docwho3
11-30-2005, 03:10 AM
On AMW's website I read the following info that the site says was last updated on Nov/15/2005


Tara's family thinks it's strange that her car --still parked in the carport--was left unlocked. They also say that the driver's seat was pushed back too far for the 5'3" woman.

And according to Anita(Tara's sister), the car seats were pushed too far back for Tara. Tara is only 5'3" and kept the seats much closer to the steering wheel.

Even more out of character for Tara, Gattis says, was leaving home without her cell phone. The phone was left inside the house on its charger.

The clothing that Tara wore on the night of her disappearance was in her bedroom in this pile. Gattis says her sister was meticulous and would never leave clothes on the floor.

These are the shoes Tara was wearing on October 22, and her sister says Tara always kept her shoes in boxes.

This alarm clock was under Tara's bed and was off by six hours. This struck Gattis as highly unusual too because she says Tara is very punctual.

Tara's sister says this broken lamp--on a nightstand near her bed--may be evidence of foul play

Anita told AMW that a clock Tara kept near her bed was found under the bed -- and the time was six hours off. She said that a broken lamp was tilted against a wall, which would've been unlike Tara, who Anita says is very meticulous.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/evidence_clues.cfm?id=35468
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=35468

Also on the site I read:

There have also been reports that a latex glove was found on Tara's front lawn, which police say has been submitted to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation for testing. Go to the AMW website to see more.

concernedperson
11-30-2005, 11:34 AM
I had read it was the home cordless phone in the bathroom, not the cell phone. Her cell phone was on her charger.
Where did you hear the cell phone was in the bathroom?

You are correct it was just a phone not her cell phone. I typed the wrong thing.

concernedperson
11-30-2005, 11:55 AM
I find the lack of coverage incredible.

Either the family is driving it, or GBI and LE is just this inept. Every Georgia case looks the same at this point.

Sueann Ray
Tara Grinstead
Leslie Adams

And all the ones who never got coverage in the first place.

I am having to agree with you and I am from the area. Read about a trial starting this a.m. for 15 yr. girl that was murdered in 2002 had never heard of the case.

Anniegirl
11-30-2005, 12:58 PM
Is it true (NE story) that the "family friend" called Tara some 20 times Saturday evening? Why would he have done this? Why would Tara have gotten upsetwhen he came to school? Maybe he is totally innocent, but I just can't put these rumors (?) aside.
I agree with you,is this "family friend" the married cop?

concernedperson
11-30-2005, 03:15 PM
New search planned for December 11 and 12. Texas EquuSearch will be back after the Thanksgiving break. This will be more comprehensive according to the article.


http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/3002_tara_grinstead_new_search.html

Bobbisangel
12-01-2005, 04:59 AM
I find the lack of coverage incredible.

Either the family is driving it, or GBI and LE is just this inept. Every Georgia case looks the same at this point.

Sueann Ray
Tara Grinstead
Leslie Adams

And all the ones who never got coverage in the first place.



I listen to the families of these women and they are all just so frustrated by what they feel is the lack of interest by LE. Two of the families have hired PI's hoping to find something out. Leslie Adam's family, according to her sister, just found out through the media that there was blood and a spent bullet at Leslie's home. That was on Nancy Grace tonight. Families shouldn't have to hear info from the media. It has to be horrible not having a clue what LE is doing...if anything.

Trino
12-01-2005, 11:39 AM
I listen to the families of these women and they are all just so frustrated by what they feel is the lack of interest by LE. Two of the families have hired PI's hoping to find something out. Leslie Adam's family, according to her sister, just found out through the media that there was blood and a spent bullet at Leslie's home. That was on Nancy Grace tonight. Families shouldn't have to hear info from the media. It has to be horrible not having a clue what LE is doing...if anything.


I'm confused. Who is Leslie Adams, and how is Leslie's connected to Tara?

ketel0ne
12-01-2005, 11:47 AM
I'm confused. Who is Leslie Adams, and how is Leslie's connected to Tara?There are 3 missing women getting press in Georgia right now, all the cases are at similar points and LE seems to be in a quagmeyer in all 3. The GBI is also involved in all 3. Leslie Adams 40 missing Oct. 21, Tara Grinstead Missing Oct. 22 and Sueann Ray Missing Aug 26th.

LillyRush
12-01-2005, 09:54 PM
That's what I was referring to earlier when I asked whether it was true that GBI had trouble with these types of cases, after I saw a similar struggle coming from Sue Ann Ray's family. I think it's very strange that what is supposed to be a higher level of LE has almost more trouble solving cases than the local police.

Bobbisangel
12-01-2005, 11:25 PM
I'm confused. Who is Leslie Adams, and how is Leslie's connected to Tara?


Leslie is another woman that is missing in that same area or state at least. None of the three women are connected to each other.

mysteriew
12-06-2005, 01:07 AM
Hundreds of volunteers are needed for a massive search for missing teacher Tara Grinstead.

Texas EquuSearch, a search and recovery team, issued a news release Thursday requesting help Saturday and Dec. 11 as they search points of interest in Irwin County.

Anyone interested in volunteering is asked to call the Irwin County Sheriff's Office at (229) 468-7459 or the Tara Command Center at (229) 468-0667.
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/13323034.htm

ketel0ne
12-06-2005, 09:49 PM
Tara Sightings & New Timing Questions - The Crime library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0601_tara_grinstead_sighting.html)

PrayersForMaura
12-06-2005, 10:08 PM
Tara Sightings & New Timing Questions - The Crime library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0601_tara_grinstead_sighting.html)
Well that was really interesting. Thanks for posting the link.
I had been following this story but got sidetracked for a while.
So, the clock never kept proper time, possible sitings of Tara and she perhaps went missing on Sunday instead?

Boy ... this is a tough case to solve. I sure hope she is alive.

Becba
12-06-2005, 11:12 PM
I don't see a family friend that is a married guy making 20 phone calls to her unless there is more going on. Her family may not know if anything was going on between the two. Plenty of families start off supporting a suspect until they find they have been decieved.

I don't buy the suicide idea. What, she takes her purse and walks to kill herself?
It looks like she went with someone. Didn't the family friend call her 20 the day she went missing? He had to be stressing over something. She told people that it was thank you calls about the pagent. That is covering up if the friend was really the caller. Doubt she wanted her family to know if she was involved with this guy. It would cause a rift.

concernedperson
12-06-2005, 11:21 PM
I can't figure out too much about this crime but to say that she didn't kill herself. The rest is a mystery at this point.

Becba
12-06-2005, 11:30 PM
From the NE link.

"In a stunning development, a source revealed that the officer repeatedly phoned Tara in the hours before she vanished from her Georgia home at 11 pm on October 22. "He called her more than 20 times," the source said."

That says the calls were made in the hours before 11 pm. That is a lot of calls and she wasn't missing then, so they were not calls made looking for her. Why would a male married family friend call her that many times the day she disappears?
I will consider the source though.

RCOOKE
12-07-2005, 02:13 PM
Texas EquuSearch asked me to help with this weekend's search for Tara. There are already 300 searchers signed up for Saturday and there will probably be many more there.

I will give a report about the search when I get back on Monday.

docwho3
12-07-2005, 02:24 PM
Texas EquuSearch asked me to help with this weekend's search for Tara. There are already 300 searchers signed up for Saturday and there will probably be many more there.

I will give a report about the search when I get back on Monday.That's great. Thanks!

ketel0ne
12-07-2005, 06:20 PM
Beth Twitty To Join Massive Hunt for Missing Georgia Teacher (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0701_beth_holloway_twitty_joins_tara_search.html) - Crime Library

Becba
12-07-2005, 07:07 PM
Beth Twitty To Join Massive Hunt for Missing Georgia Teacher (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0701_beth_holloway_twitty_joins_tara_search.html) - Crime Library
So glad she is doing this. She says it is because so many people helped her.

concernedperson
12-09-2005, 11:11 PM
The search is on. Still no word but at least something is going on. Beth is there and helping the family. Please pray for a resolve.

ThoughtFox
12-10-2005, 07:44 AM
Tara Sightings & New Timing Questions - The Crime library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0601_tara_grinstead_sighting.html)
Whoa! That was fascinating ~ thanks, Absolut!

Trino
12-11-2005, 10:35 AM
One witness said s/he saw her car leave her carport Sunday morning. Could Tara have been abducted when she picked up someone on her way to church? This sounds possible because she nearly always went to church and because the house door was locked. It also makes sense about other clothes on top of her Saturday night outfit. She may have been looking for clothes to wear to church on Sunday. There also was no evidence of a struggle inside the house.

CrimeHater
12-11-2005, 04:19 PM
Thats true Trino, and its likely she wouldn't take her cell phone to church.

ketel0ne
12-11-2005, 04:51 PM
http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4228829

Tammie63
12-11-2005, 06:37 PM
If this is true it may clear up why the seat of the car was pushed back...

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=249469

Rocky
12-11-2005, 07:31 PM
I feel as if I am missing something in this case. This case has a handle but I am just not seeing it yet. Let me take a little bit of time here to muse out loud.

Ok she did not step into the twilight zone. She never switched on the light when she got home so she was already in distress and wanted the neighbors to know. How could she already be in distress when she got inside the home?

Wait, How do I know she got home? Did anyone see her go inside her home? I need to reread some things. Her car came home but who drove it home?

Also:
When I first heard of this case with the clock time being off I wondered if it had been unplugged, possibly someone hiding under the bed had unplugged it accidently or something and then later had plugged it in again. But now I also wonder if the breaker switch on the breaker box had been switched off to ensure that she was unable to switch on a light. Maybe L.E. need to dust the breaker box switches too.

If she did indeed make it home with her car (as opposed to someone else driving her car home after having already killed her) then perhaps the lights would not turn on because someone already in the house had turned off the breaker. She might have been taken unawares in the dark before having a chance to struggle and hence the necklace left behind unseen because the killer did not see it fall in the dark and later missed it when the power was turned on again - just as the L.E. later missed it in daylight?

Now then . . hmmm how was the getaway made? If he had a car parked in front of her house wouldn't she have seen it and failed to enter her home?
This means either he had his car hidden elsewhere but not too far away or that she recognized the car as belonging to someone she trusted.

The mom (or was it grandmother - cant remember) stated on TV tonight that Tara was "just friends" with the cop that is a family friend but she didn't sound too terribly certain of it. I can just imagine a cop car at her house when she gets home and him out front saying "We think your home was broken into again. Let's go in and see if anything is missing." and he would have on evidence gloves to avoid contaminating the scene,or so he would say. Inside it would be dark because he had already flipped off the breaker.
And then as she gets in far enough he closes the door and . . . . then what? . . . hmmm he would need to quickly subdue her with no blood and little if any struggle. . . .quick side to side neck snap? or taser? head lock? hit on the head with gun? So he misses the necklace because he didnt see it fall when she fell against him and outside he loses one of the gloves outside because its dark and he didnt see it drop either. He flips on the breaker just before leaving.

Ok time to rewind a bit: Maybe someone other than the cop was waiting for her. But then I have to ask:Someone that had tried before to get in her home or one of his acquaintances? Or perhaps Ex bf or lover had hired someone to do the deed? I wonder if he thought to wear the gloves when flipping the breaker- if that is what happened.

I know. I know. This is all speculation for now and rambling at that. I will ponder this awhile longer. Hopefully I will someday have something better to offer regarding this case.

Was her boyfriend the cop, quite a bit taller than her?

What time did he stop calling her?

Rocky
12-11-2005, 07:37 PM
On AMW's website I read the following info that the site says was last updated on Nov/15/2005


Also on the site I read:
Go to the AMW website to see more.

sounds like they have quite a bit of evidence.

Did she smash the lamp against his head collecting DNA? an evidence glove that are standard in police cars was found in her yard? With fingerprints inside?

the Seat wasn't in a driving position she would have used...

who's fingerprints were on the wheel, let me guess, residue of the latex glove...

did her old boyfriend or the police officer show evidence of a struggle the next day?

Rocky
12-11-2005, 07:38 PM
did her old boyfriend do everything he could to pin this on the officer?

Where is he now?

concernedperson
12-11-2005, 08:10 PM
I read somewhere that the clock was a keepsake and never kept the correct time. The boyfriend issues are much more complicated. All of them had a potential reason for wanting her out of the picture but did any of them harm her? I don't believe this is a runaway for a minute so the other option is foul play. So, who is foul enough to discard her permanently?

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:13 PM
sounds like they have pretty good evidence already, weren't they able to lift any prints?

I know the neighbor has a key, but who was first on the scene after she was missing?

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:16 PM
her cop boyfriend called 20 times, why did he stop calling, did she answer?

how far away was he from the house when he was calling, anyone do a triangulation?


did she feel he was a threat, and thought a better alternative was disappearing?

concernedperson
12-11-2005, 08:19 PM
her cop boyfriend called 20 times, why did he stop calling, did she answer?

how far away was he from the house when he was calling, anyone do a triangulation?


did she feel he was a threat, and thought a better alternative was disappearing?

He was a married man who was called a friend. The "real boyfriend" the one she was devastated over was Marcus Harper. Not Dykes.

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:22 PM
what did she tell her friend that had him so worried he called her 20 times that night?

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:23 PM
what did she tell her friend that had him so worried he called her 20 times that night?

something like...

If you aren't willing to leave your wife, you'll never see me again...

concernedperson
12-11-2005, 08:24 PM
what did she tell her friend that had him so worried he called her 20 times that night?

No clue to that.

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:24 PM
what did she tell her friend that had him so worried he called her 20 times that night?


or,

I'm going over to talk with your wife, I think she should know how we feel about each other...

concernedperson
12-11-2005, 08:28 PM
or,

I'm going over to talk with your wife, I think she should know how we feel about each other...

That could be one of the contentious problems.

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:32 PM
so there is evidence of her being fiesty natured?

concernedperson
12-11-2005, 08:35 PM
so there is evidence of her being fiesty natured?

Oh, I think there is evidence of that but to the degree someone abducts and murders her is a whole nother ball game.

Rocky
12-11-2005, 08:42 PM
how far from here did the runaway bride live?

concernedperson
12-11-2005, 09:12 PM
how far from here did the runaway bride live?

The runaway bride lived 1.5 miles from my door. Ocilla, Georgia is many miles away. Hundreds....Do mapquest.

sirensong
12-11-2005, 11:43 PM
I remember something being said about the person who called 20 times. He was worried, as she didn't show up wherever it was she was supposed to be that day.

RCOOKE
12-12-2005, 01:07 AM
I'm back home for GA. The newspaper article inflated the search numbers a bit. Saturday we had a little less than 200 searchers. Sunday around 100.

Beth Twitty got there on Friday and left around noon Saturday to make it home for a Saturday night FOX interview. We talked several times Saturday morning.

A tip came in on Saturday that sent Tim Miller and a search team to that area. I had to leave before they returned so I don't know how much of the area they covered. I'm sure if they had found anything the media would have announced it.

I did an interview with Court TV but who knows if/when it will be shown.

Rocky
12-12-2005, 04:30 PM
I remember something being said about the person who called 20 times. He was worried, as she didn't show up wherever it was she was supposed to be that day.

when the police looked at the phone on her charger and saw 20 unanswered calls, they must have gone to whoever it was this person was that was calling to find out what was so important.


didn't Peterson make calls to a number he knew would never be answered also? That way he could say he had been trying to reach her and no clue where she was...

ketel0ne
12-12-2005, 05:37 PM
Nancy Grace - 12/12/05
Tara's story will be covered again on "Nancy Grace" tonight on CNN Headline News. Her segment will air at 8:40pm from in front of Tara's home. T.E.S., as well as Tara's sister, Anita will be on the show.



This is subject to change based on developments in the Tookie Williams story.

petra
12-12-2005, 06:13 PM
I'm back home for GA. The newspaper article inflated the search numbers a bit. Saturday we had a little less than 200 searchers. Sunday around 100.

Beth Twitty got there on Friday and left around noon Saturday to make it home for a Saturday night FOX interview. We talked several times Saturday morning.

A tip came in on Saturday that sent Tim Miller and a search team to that area. I had to leave before they returned so I don't know how much of the area they covered. I'm sure if they had found anything the media would have announced it.

I did an interview with Court TV but who knows if/when it will be shown.Thanks for the update and all the good work, Robert. You sound just exhausted.

joanofarc
12-12-2005, 10:47 PM
A man who calls that obsessively over a woman is abusive and angry for some reason...worry does play a part...depends how far he could be pushed....

concernedperson
12-20-2005, 01:43 PM
Missing teacher reward grows to $200,000. Anonymous donor increases reward ( I think I know who it is) and will be announced at a press conference today.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=73529

PrayersForMaura
12-20-2005, 05:16 PM
Missing teacher reward grows to $200,000. Anonymous donor increases reward ( I think I know who it is) and will be announced at a press conference today.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=73529

Possibly Joe Mamana? I can't spell his name, sorry.

concernedperson
12-20-2005, 06:21 PM
Possibly Joe Mamana? I can't spell his name, sorry.

That is who I think it is and I can't spell his name either. LOL!

ketel0ne
12-20-2005, 08:36 PM
Tara Media Coverage - 12/20
MSNBC - at 10pm
Greta Van Susteren - at 10:30pm
WMAZ Channel 13 Albany - an extensive piece on Tara's story will air during the 6pm sequence. Check www.wmaz.com after 8pm to view the story online.

concernedperson
12-20-2005, 08:39 PM
Oh, good. Maybe this won't be a cold case afterall.

Trino
12-20-2005, 10:40 PM
$200,000 is a lot of money for people living in that area. If someone knows something, the new reward should start someone talking.

ketel0ne
12-20-2005, 10:43 PM
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concernedperson
12-20-2005, 10:49 PM
I have heard a lot comments about her being a runaway bride situation. I don't believe this.

Trino
12-21-2005, 12:51 PM
I have heard a lot comments about her being a runaway bride situation. I don't believe this.

I don't believe it either. Although it appears she left her house voluntarily, I don't think she would abandon her pets, take no clothes, make-up, etc., take no money, leave her job, leave her house and car to be repossessed, to say nothing of allowing such an extensive search. There has been no movement on her bank accounts since she left, so how would she be surviving? The Tara sightings seem unfounded.

Because her house was locked, I think she was meeting someone she knew, but who? MH appears to have moved on with his life. D has been cleared, as well as the 20-something guy that stalked her.

Maybe it's just me, but IMO Tara seemed out of place in Oscilla, i.e. a beauty queen, highly educated, etc. Someone could have been stalking her, someone she thought was a friend.

mysteriew
12-28-2005, 04:13 AM
They gathered together on a crisp winter's night, more than 100 of them by most accounts, ignoring the now worn yellow police tape that marked the boundaries of Tara Grinstead's modest yard, overlooking the forlorn jack-o-lantern that has now remained untouched for more than two months.

Among them were friends, and family, and others who have for more than two months now worked feverishly for the safe return of the missing beauty queen and high school teacher. They prayed. Some sang. And one by one, they placed ornaments, ornate and glimmering memorials to hope, hung with love on Tara's Christmas tree.

"It was really touching," said Steve Rodgers, a family friend who works with a Florida-based missing children's organization and has also helped in the search for missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. The Thursday night vigil the only Christmas celebration that Tara's family has planned this year was not intended to be a memorial, Rodgers said. Instead, it was meant to be a testament to the hope that Tara would return home safely. And it was also a tribute, he said, to the ways in which Tara had touched her community. "I would say there was somewhere between 100 and 150 people," Rodgers said, all there to remember the 30-year-old who vanished without a trace on Oct. 22 following the annual sweet potato festival and beauty pageant. And it was done with a mix of melancholy and hope. "The first girl that Tara helped in a beauty pageant came and sang a beautiful song," Rodgers said, "and we all took our ornaments and hung them on Tara's tree."

The tree is expected to remain in place for some time, perhaps as long as the case remains unresolved.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/2301_taras_tree.html

Trino
12-28-2005, 08:27 PM
They gathered together on a crisp winter's night, more than 100 of them by most accounts, ignoring the now worn yellow police tape that marked the boundaries of Tara Grinstead's modest yard, http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/2301_taras_tree.html

Was MH or D there?

concernedperson
12-28-2005, 08:34 PM
Was MH or D there?
Great question.

sirensong
01-02-2006, 03:27 AM
Has anyone heard anything lately? I feel so bad for her family.

Trino
01-02-2006, 08:56 AM
courttv tara grinstead has more info. It seems pretty certain that Tara did not run away.

Initially, I thought MH wasn't involved, but according to those who know the situation, MH spent 5:30 - 10:00 a.m. sleeping at his parent's house, a stone's throw (maybe a little more) away from Tara's house. On one side of the fence I question a motive for him; on the other side of the fence, I question the time he actually left the bar and the time he spent with his LE friend. He has an attorney spokesman, so there will be no info from him.

There has not been more info about D, the 20-caller, only that he was a family friend. No one has much to say about the neighbor man.

There's speculation of everything from a cover-up to incompetence in the original investigation. But, to answer your question, the case has not gone anywhere. The GBI apparently does not answer to the public, only to the LE agency that requested their involvement. It would be interesting to know the family's take on the case.

mysteriew
01-04-2006, 02:36 AM
Robert Hardiman, Director of Trackers Global, a non-profit organization dedicated to the recovery of missing, abducted and runaway persons, contacted Court TV's Crime Library about a major search effort being mounted in Ben Hill County, GA. The search will begin at 8 a.m. Saturday, Jan. 7 and will continue on Sunday, Jan. 8. Volunteers are asked to assemble at the Ben Hill County Senior Citizens Center at 253 Appomattox Road in Fitzgerald. The Senior Citizens Center is located just behind the Ben Hill County Sheriff's Department.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0106/0303_tara_search_continues.html

jodierenee
01-09-2006, 01:32 AM
bumping for tara.

mysteriew
01-10-2006, 05:30 PM
A two-day search for evidence in the missing teacher case of Tara Grinstead came to an end Sunday evening.

"We have no doubt that the area was thoroughly covered, and there is nothing left to search for," said Robert Hardiman of Trackers Global, a nonprofit search agency based in Hazlehurst.
The search was done after a tip came into Trackers, Hardiman said.
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/13581154.htm

Shadow205
01-12-2006, 09:03 PM
Nancy Grace on location in Georgia. On now.

RCOOKE
01-13-2006, 09:03 AM
There is another search for Tara planned on January 21 and 22.

petra
01-13-2006, 09:07 AM
from 12 Jan-

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html

concernedperson
01-13-2006, 10:38 AM
Nancy Grace covered this case last night on CNN Headline news. It was excellent....I believe Petra has posted a link in the Missing Forum. If anyone wants to discuss, please do. Lots of new info....the biggest thing to me is Marcus Harper went on a ride along with LE friend Fletcher, the night Tara disappeared. Coincidently, Tara had filed a formal complaint against Fletcher a short time earlier. (I hadn't heard the name Fletcher before).

petra
01-13-2006, 10:53 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html


This isprobably a better place to post link. thanks CP

Mellen
01-13-2006, 11:40 AM
Quote from Nancy Grace transcript:

"GRACE: Right. And to Anita Gattis, is it true -- my sources have told me that this ex-boyfriend would actually yell at her, "You f-ing whore," at a red light.

GATTIS: At a red light when she was in the car with another gentleman, yes. "

I found this to be very interesting. If it is true, it shows there was much more acrimony on MH's part in relation to the breakup than he professes.

concernedperson
01-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Quote from Nancy Grace transcript:

"GRACE: Right. And to Anita Gattis, is it true -- my sources have told me that this ex-boyfriend would actually yell at her, "You f-ing whore," at a red light.

GATTIS: At a red light when she was in the car with another gentleman, yes. "

I found this to be very interesting. If it is true, it shows there was much more acrimony on MH's part in relation to the breakup than he professes.

I totally agree. Last night's show gave me a whole lot more insight to the case than before. Especially the news that Fletcher was the LE friend he was riding around with the night Tara disappeared. It seems Tara had filed a formal report against Fletcher.

CrimeHater
01-13-2006, 07:01 PM
from 12 Jan-

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html
That was all very interesting!

Bobbisangel
01-13-2006, 11:38 PM
I thought the things that Tara's family had to say about the boyfriend were interesting. Guess they had had a few royal battles. He would see her driving in her car and he would yell "you f---ing whore." Family said that the boyfriend was driving with his policeman friend,who was on duty, the night Tara disappeared. Tara had filed a complaint against the policeman right before she went missing. I can't remember what the complaint was for.

I wonder if the cop is covering the boyfriend's butt or if the boyfriend is covering the cops butt??? If I had to choose a suspect out of the people the family talked about my first pick would be the boyfriend. Sounds like those two guys are being each others alibis.

michelle
01-13-2006, 11:52 PM
I thought the things that Tara's family had to say about the boyfriend were interesting. Guess they had had a few royal battles. He would see her driving in her car and he would yell "you f---ing whore." Family said that the boyfriend was driving with his policeman friend,who was on duty, the night Tara disappeared. Tara had filed a complaint against the policeman right before she went missing. I can't remember what the complaint was for.

I wonder if the cop is covering the boyfriend's butt or if the boyfriend is covering the cops butt??? If I had to choose a suspect out of the people the family talked about my first pick would be the boyfriend. Sounds like those two guys are being each others alibis. thats scary....

SewingDeb
01-13-2006, 11:52 PM
I think Tara's complaint was about the policeman telling her boyfriend when he came home from Iraq about the school boy who was beating on her door. She didn't think it was his place to tell anyone.

txsvicki
01-14-2006, 07:38 AM
I think Tara's complaint was about the policeman telling her boyfriend when he came home from Iraq about the school boy who was beating on her door. She didn't think it was his place to tell anyone.


I'm sorry, I'm confused and saw all this for the first time on Nancy Grace tonight. Is this boyfriend who was home from Iraq the same one Tara was upset over and had dated for 6 years or a new boyfriend? This all sounds very odd, the abusive ex being friends with a cop who was trying to start some trouble about the obsessed school boy. It sounds like poor Tara was really surrounded by some men who were so far beneath her. She seems like a girl who deserved so much better treatment.

petra
01-14-2006, 09:16 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

petra
01-14-2006, 09:20 AM
I'm sorry, I'm confused and saw all this for the first time on Nancy Grace tonight. Is this boyfriend who was home from Iraq the same one Tara was upset over and had dated for 6 years or a new boyfriend? This all sounds very odd, the abusive ex being friends with a cop who was trying to start some trouble about the obsessed school boy. It sounds like poor Tara was really surrounded by some men who were so far beneath her. She seems like a girl who deserved so much better treatment.
Hi txsvcki--you are not confused....you are spot on.

same BF......and cop revealed private info that he obtained as part of his employment to this BF who dated Tara for circa 6 yrs, and was home from Iraq.

CrimeHater
01-14-2006, 01:26 PM
I wish they would do some kind of DNA checking in the car the ex boy friend and the other cop were in the night she went missing. Its seems like they would focus on that a little more since its obvious that it was someone that knew her. Not only that, they don't have the best alibi.
Of course LE probably doesn't want to focus too much on it being someone on the "inside". That might make them look bad.

petra
01-14-2006, 03:24 PM
I have been asked to post Tara's web page. They are asking for all the help they can get. This is so heartbreaking for family, friends and the community.
As in way,way too many similar circumstances.

Thank you.


http://www.findtara.com/

concernedperson
01-14-2006, 04:13 PM
I wish they would do some kind of DNA checking in the car the ex boy friend and the other cop were in the night she went missing. Its seems like they would focus on that a little more since its obvious that it was someone that knew her. Not only that, they don't have the best alibi.
Of course LE probably doesn't want to focus too much on it being someone on the "inside". That might make them look bad.

I have this little working theory that Marcus let himself into Tara's home after she was asleep (It was said he has a key). The lamp, clock and necklace on the floor indicate a struggle. I believe he incapacitated her and put her in her own car and drove to a disposal site. He has military training i.e. Special Forces or Green Berets....they know how to snap a neck in seconds.

The reason for using her car is her DNA would be expected in it and returning it makes sure that the vehicle is nowhere near the body. No body,no crime. His friend picked him up and they returned to whatever they were doing. I think he dropped the latex glove by accident in the front yard.

CrimeHater
01-14-2006, 04:33 PM
I have this little working theory that Marcus let himself into Tara's home after she was asleep (It was said he has a key). The lamp, clock and necklace on the floor indicate a struggle. I believe he incapacitated her and put her in her own car and drove to a disposal site. He has military training i.e. Special Forces or Green Berets....they know how to snap a neck in seconds.

The reason for using her car is her DNA would be expected in it and returning it makes sure that the vehicle is nowhere near the body. No body,no crime. His friend picked him up and they returned to whatever they were doing. I think he dropped the latex glove by accident in the front yard.
Sounds very realistic to me!

panthera
01-14-2006, 04:50 PM
I have this little working theory that Marcus let himself into Tara's home after she was asleep (It was said he has a key). The lamp, clock and necklace on the floor indicate a struggle. I believe he incapacitated her and put her in her own car and drove to a disposal site. He has military training i.e. Special Forces or Green Berets....they know how to snap a neck in seconds.

The reason for using her car is her DNA would be expected in it and returning it makes sure that the vehicle is nowhere near the body. No body,no crime. His friend picked him up and they returned to whatever they were doing. I think he dropped the latex glove by accident in the front yard.
Your speculation is right where I'm headed with this case also...I don't think there's any "mystery person" but rather someone she knew well...especially with the training he has.:)

alpharee
01-14-2006, 06:23 PM
I have been told so many times that cops are the biggest cheaters (NO offense... just repeating what I've been told) This just wouldn't make LE look to good if this turns out true.

You have been told correctly! Was married 12 years to one, worked in LE too and I'd have to sadly say about 95% of all officers cheat! They have so many opportunities.

My divorce of 12 years finally ended when my Officer met one he thought he just couldn't live without.:loser:

BUT my sun did shine again, married my bestest friend 6 months ago! :blowkiss:

Bobbisangel
01-15-2006, 04:58 AM
I wish they would do some kind of DNA checking in the car the ex boy friend and the other cop were in the night she went missing. Its seems like they would focus on that a little more since its obvious that it was someone that knew her. Not only that, they don't have the best alibi.
Of course LE probably doesn't want to focus too much on it being someone on the "inside". That might make them look bad.



I think they should check out the ex-boyfriend's vehicle/home and the police car that the cop was driving the night Tara disappeared. Just because a guy wears a badge and carries a gun doesn't mean that he can't be involved in criminal activity. We know Tara and the ex weren't getting along and the cop probably wasn't to happy with her for filing a complaint on him. I wonder if anyone saw the two guys riding around together that night. It could be just an alibi for the boyfriend.

For that ex boyfriend to yell things like "you f---ing whore" at Tara when they would pass each other on the street shows his maturity and igornance.
He must have really been steamed about something. Maybe his temper got the best of him and he ended up killing her. Personally I think that he is the one they really need to focus on.

Not only was Tara's lamp broken and laying on the floor and her clock on the floor under the bed but a necklace that she had made and worn that night was also found on the bedroom floor and the clothes she had worn to dinner weren't hung up. Her mom says that that is not Tara. She would never leave her clothes laying and never would she leave a necklace on the floor. It sounds like she had just gotten home and changed her clothes and someone came to her door.

What about that vinyl glove they found in the middle of her yard? Nancy G. said that she looked all through Tara's house and they were no vinyl gloves in the house. They were going to send that glove to the crime lab and have them turn it inside out to see if they could get any fingerprints. Wonder how that went?

Maybe they should ask the ex and the cop to take a lie detector test!!!!

CrimeHater
01-15-2006, 04:36 PM
You have been told correctly! Was married 12 years to one, worked in LE too and I'd have to sadly say about 95% of all officers cheat! They have so many opportunities.

My divorce of 12 years finally ended when my Officer met one he thought he just couldn't live without.:loser:

BUT my sun did shine again, married my bestest friend 6 months ago! :blowkiss:
Good for you! Sounds like a much happier ending!:clap:

Trino
01-16-2006, 10:40 AM
I think they should check out the ex-boyfriend's vehicle/home and the police car that the cop was driving the night Tara disappeared. Just because a guy wears a badge and carries a gun doesn't mean that he can't be involved in criminal activity. We know Tara and the ex weren't getting along and the cop probably wasn't to happy with her for filing a complaint on him. I wonder if anyone saw the two guys riding around together that night. It could be just an alibi for the boyfriend.

Maybe they should ask the ex and the cop to take a lie detector test!!!!

I completely agree. I wonder what the cop has said so far about their whereabouts and how MH acted during their ride.

Shadow205
01-16-2006, 10:56 AM
I think they should check out the ex-boyfriend's vehicle/home and the police car that the cop was driving the night Tara disappeared. Just because a guy wears a badge and carries a gun doesn't mean that he can't be involved in criminal activity. We know Tara and the ex weren't getting along and the cop probably wasn't to happy with her for filing a complaint on him. I wonder if anyone saw the two guys riding around together that night. It could be just an alibi for the boyfriend.

For that ex boyfriend to yell things like "you f---ing whore" at Tara when they would pass each other on the street shows his maturity and igornance.
He must have really been steamed about something. Maybe his temper got the best of him and he ended up killing her. Personally I think that he is the one they really need to focus on.

Not only was Tara's lamp broken and laying on the floor and her clock on the floor under the bed but a necklace that she had made and worn that night was also found on the bedroom floor and the clothes she had worn to dinner weren't hung up. Her mom says that that is not Tara. She would never leave her clothes laying and never would she leave a necklace on the floor. It sounds like she had just gotten home and changed her clothes and someone came to her door.

What about that vinyl glove they found in the middle of her yard? Nancy G. said that she looked all through Tara's house and they were no vinyl gloves in the house. They were going to send that glove to the crime lab and have them turn it inside out to see if they could get any fingerprints. Wonder how that went?

Maybe they should ask the ex and the cop to take a lie detector test!!!!
All police cars have a box of vinyl gloves in them. A pair is also carried in a pouch on a police officer's gun belt.

Bobbisangel
01-16-2006, 11:48 PM
All police cars have a box of vinyl gloves in them. A pair is also carried in a pouch on a police officer's gun belt.



I wonder if whoever shoved the gloves in his pocket and one fell out in the yard. I wonder if LE have checked to see if that glove from the yard is the same brand as are kept in police cars? I know that you can buy gloves anywhere but you can bet that the police probably order theirs in bulk from a certain place. I hope the cops aren't leary of checking out one of their own.
Heck, the ex boyfriend could have taken gloves from the cop car before he got out of the police car if he was actually riding in it that night. Right now my money is on the ex boyfriend.