Where's Raven???

[Moxie]

Has anyone seen Raven lately? Rumor has it he's left SLC...

[Jess]

Left voluntarily ? Running away to start a new life ? or in handcuffs ??

[terminatrixator]

Breaking the Law, Breaking the Law.......Running with the Devil......

You can run but you can't hide The Raven..

[JustJax]

Left voluntarily ? Running away to start a new life ? or in handcuffs ??Oh Dear Lord let it be in handcuffs...from your lips.....

[golfmom]

Wouldn't it be funny if he got into an argument with his mommy and ran away from home?

:croc:

[Moxie]

Wouldn't it be funny if he got into an argument with his mommy and ran away from home?

:croc:
I'm thinkin he is either preparing to go on the lam or scouting out locations if he feels he has to go on the lam.

Wonder why he might feel that way??

[golfmom]

Or maybe he has a job interview out of town ...

Woo
You might not ever get rich
But let me tell ya it's better that diggin' a ditch.
There ain't no tellin' who ya might meet. .
A movie star or may be even an Indian Chief.

(Workin' at the) car wash.
Workin' at the car wash yeah !
Come on and sing it with me car wash.
Get with the feelin' y'all car wash yeah.

[L L & S]

..... maybe he went golfishing.

[golfmom]

:laugh: ..... maybe he went golfishing.

Or maybe a secluded grief retreat.

[Jess]

Secluded grief retreat somehow conjurs up pictures of a beach and a bar to me.

[terminatrixator]

Maybe Shil...I mean Flygirl knows?

[golfmom]

Maybe Shil...I mean Flygirl knows?

Or it might be a soccersweetie ... ya never know. ;)

[terminatrixator]

LOL GM......xx0

[terminatrixator]

Does Raven haven any stipulations in his PROBATION regarding traveling, or going out of state. I would assume if he's on probation, he would have to check in with a probation officer, in Utah.

I'm looking into this information right now, to find out what the probation entailed. Anyone else know? I mean, he does have several felonies and he is on probation, I would assume he has RULES he must follow.

[guera]

I heard a rumor that he was off biking in Moab, UT for a while.

[Moxie]

I heard a rumor that he was off biking in Moab, UT for a while.
Really? Hmmm.... Do you know if he's back home now?

[guera]

Nope... but I heard he headed down there... it sounded like a weekend trip, but that's pure speculation on my part.

[terminatrixator]

http://www.moabbikefest.com/


Hmmm, Lots and Lots of Posted Pictures.....Guess I'll just have to go through them all and see if we see The Raven there or not. Wondering if he decided to take Kaiden with, doesn't seem like a place for a baby, but then again, off and leaving a baby constantly isn't a good idea for a "Good Father" to do, when the Baby doesn't have it's Mother anymore because she was brutally Murdered by a sick and twisted individual.


Lots and Lots of Pictures, this is going to be like finding Waldo....The Raven...Waldo, No, Waldo has more hair and less gut!

[JerseyGirl]

http://www.moabbikefest.com/My benefit of the doubt side was thinking that this might have been a relaxing, get away for a while kind of trip. It looks like it was actually more like a great big party.

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe it's just a part of grief therapy?

http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/devil_missmuff.jpg (http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/devil_missmuff.jpg)

http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/TP.jpg (http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/TP.jpg)

http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/wendy.jpg (http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/wendy.jpg)

http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/fourpeeps.jpg (http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/costume_concert/fourpeeps.jpg)

[terminatrixator]

Well we know The Ravenaldo loves to get away and have fun...excitement and adventure. Seems that he got his wish, exciting changes coming in his life...he gets to go to Functions at his Wife's College, play soccer, go to Single Functions, Biking, wow, he leads an extremely adventurous life nowadays without having a to deal with things like a Full-Time Real Job, A Wife, Bills, and Responsibilities.

[Moxie]

Well we know The Ravenaldo loves to get away and have fun...excitement and adventure. Seems that he got his wish, exciting changes coming in his life...he gets to go to Functions at his Wife's College, play soccer, go to Single Functions, Biking, wow, he leads an extremely adventurous life nowadays without having a to deal with things like a Full-Time Real Job, A Wife, Bills, and Responsibilities.
Well, Term, you may have nailed it.

I just went to the bikefest website, and wow. It looks like a lot of fun for a grieving widower?!?!?!?

So Raven just basically goofs off like a single 20-something with no responsibilities.

Guess that is what he wanted, huh?

Sweet little Kaiden. He deserved a better father.

[JerseyGirl]

This is one of the links for accomodations from the Moab Bike Festival site:

*KOA | Moab Utah Camping, Cabins, RV Park* (http://www.moabkoa.com/)

WE OFFER:


Heated Pool (May 15th to September 15th)
Large Sun Bathing Deck
Shaded Pull-thru RV Sites
TV Cable to all Full Hook Up Sites
Shaded, Sandy Tent Sites
Full Stock of Groceries
Newly Expanded Gift Shop
2 Play Grounds
Private Bathrooms & Showers
Handicap/Wheelchair Accessible
Propane
RV Supplies
Mini-Golf
Horse Shoe Pits
Free Modem Connection (We now have WI-FI WIRELESS INTERNET ACCESS available.)
Modern 24 Hour Laundry Facilities
Game Room
Local Tours Arranged, no charge
2006 Season Rates (March 1 thru October 31):


Tent Site (first 2 people) $21.25 / $29.00 + Tax
RV Site with Water & Electric (first 2 people) $27 / $29 + Tax
RV Site with Water, Electric, Sewer and Cable (first 2 people) $29.50 / $32.00 + Tax
One Room Kamping Kabin (first 2 people) $44.00 / $50.00 + Tax
Two Room Kamping Kabin (first 2 people) $56.00 / $60.00 + Tax
Each additional adult is $4.00 + Tax, Children 4-14 $3.00 + Tax
More than one vehicle per site add $5.00 per vehicle per stay.
Pets in Kamping Kabin add $10.00 per pet per stay.
Do we know for sure that this bike festival is where Raven was?

[terminatrixator]

Well, Term, you may have nailed it.

I just went to the bikefest website, and wow. It looks like a lot of fun for a grieving widower?!?!?!?

So Raven just basically goofs off like a single 20-something with no responsibilities.

Guess that is what he wanted, huh?

Sweet little Kaiden. He deserved a better father.
Indeed Moxie,

Poor Janet, she DESERVED a Life, she deserved a MUCH BETTER Husband, she deserved to see Kaiden turn 1, take him to his first day of Pre-School, be with him at all Holidays to watch him grow, walk, talk, take him to kindergarten, watch him graduate 8th grade, take him to his first day at High School, watch him Graduate, watch him go off to College, watch him graduate College, attend his wedding, and his childrens birth. WHAT A WASTE...Raven having fun, Kaiden without a Mother.:doh: I need a broken hearted Icon inserted Here!

[Jenifred]

I'm guessing that from Moxie's first post, it being a Thrusday she posted, that it was the previous weekend he had gone. Pure speculation on my part, but I think this is what he went for. Anyone ever been to Moab, UT? Very, very small. Not much else would have been going on and really what widower in his right mind could skip out on this party!!!

I'll go back through the pictures, but there were a few of them--on the bike trails--that I think looked similar to Raven.

[Moxie]

Indeed Moxie,

Poor Janet, she DESERVED a Life, she deserved a MUCH BETTER Husband, she deserved to see Kaiden turn 1, take him to his first day of Pre-School, be with him at all Holidays to watch him grow, walk, talk, take him to kindergarten, watch him graduate 8th grade, take him to his first day at High School, watch him Graduate, watch him go off to College, watch him graduate College, attend his wedding, and his childrens birth. WHAT A WASTE...Raven having fun, Kaiden without a Mother.:doh: I need a broken hearted Icon inserted Here!
I agree. Janet, Kaiden, and little unborn baby Abaroa all deserved better than Raven.

I often wonder if Raven realizes the awful impact he has had on those three lives, and also that of Janet's family and friends, and even his own family. But then I wonder even if he realizes the terrible husband and father he was/is, would he even care?

[Jenifred]

Nope... but I heard he headed down there... it sounded like a weekend trip, but that's pure speculation on my part.
guera--do you know if he went to Moab for this bike meet?

[guera]

Nope, I just heard he went to Moab... I have no idea what for or for how long... Moab is a huge mountain biking destination in Utah... so I assume it was for the big biking festival over Halloween weekend. But that, again, is pure speculation.

[terminatrixator]

Thanks for the information Guera, it's very appreciated.

I know I have anger management issues and my posts are very cranky, but deep down, I'm not that mean, oh wait, I am, but hey at least I'm not a murderer.

[Jenifred]

Nope, I just heard he went to Moab... I have no idea what for or for how long... Moab is a huge mountain biking destination in Utah... so I assume it was for the big biking festival over Halloween weekend. But that, again, is pure speculation.
I'll stop hounding you after this question guera (well, maybe). Do you know who he went with? Friends from work? Friends from church?

[guera]

No prob. I wish I could be more help, but unfortunately all I heard was "I heard he went down to Moab." Sorry... no clue with who or for what purpose. :doh:

[terminatrixator]

Does anyone know what color bike he has? I think I found a picture of him but it could only be confirmed if I knew what color bike he was riding, and what color shoes he had on.

[juliagoulia]

Does anyone know what color bike he has? I think I found a picture of him but it could only be confirmed if I knew what color bike he was riding, and what color shoes he had on.
Whatever bike and shoes he has, I'm sure they are reasonable and economical. Raven may like to play, but he does not make rash or expensive purchases that he cannot afford. :sick:

[terminatrixator]

Hopefully he didn't get a brand new bike lol - these are pretty hefty prices for bikes
http://www.canyonbicycles.com/

Model
Price Retail
Road Frames
Elium Race *$ 4,240.00
Elium SG $ 3,595.00
Alta $ 3,295.00
Odonata Ti $ 3,195.00
Axiom Race *$ 3,340.00
Axiom SG $ 2,695.00
Alumium Steel $ 2,295.00
Alaris Race * $ 2,640.00
Alaris SG $ 1,995.00
Axiom Steel $ 1,495.00
Triathalon & Timetrial
Aero Axiom Ti $ 3,195.00
ero Alaris Ti $ 2,495.00
Mountain Frames
Duo Lux $ 3,595.00
Duo $ 2,895.00
Teres $ 2,995.00
S.E. Olympic Sola $ 2,895.00
Sola $ 2,695.00
Verve $ 1,995.00
Sola Steel $ 1,495.00
Cyclocross Frames
Tsunami Ti $ 2,695.00
Mudhoney $ 1,995.00
Tsunami Steel $ 1,495.00
Touring Frames
Vacanza Ti $ 2,695.00
Muse $ 1,995.00
Vacanza Steel $ 1,495.00
Tandem Frames
Axiom Ti or Sola Ti $ 6,000.00
Axiom Steel or Sola Steel $ 4,000.00
Components
Stem Road, Mountain Aluminium $ 110.00
Stem Road, Mountain Alum. Ti Bolts $ 160.00
Stem Road, Mountain Ti $ 350.00
Seat Post Aluminium Road, Mountain $ 110.00
Handlebar Road Carbon $ 259.00
Handlebar , Road Aluminium $ 90.00
Handlebar Mounta Riser Alum. $ 80.00
Handlebar Mountain Flat Ti $ 100.00
Fork Seven 5E Molded Carbon $ 445.00

[terminatrixator]

Whatever bike and shoes he has, I'm sure they are reasonable and economical. Raven may like to play, but he does not make rash or expensive purchases that he cannot afford. :sick:
No he just embezzles what he needs!!!

[terminatrixator]

Well the bike store Canyon Bicycles, wherein he supposedly works (remember you need to be gainfully employed as part of probation The Ravenaldo) has a racing team called Pedros

http://www.pedrosslc.com/

They do not have any updated photographs - but they do list on the side bar - Weather for Moab, so its obviously some place they like to go to ride.

Doesn't seem like Raven is on the Racing Team, but who knows, maybe he can bike some of his chub off, if soccer isn't doing it.

[terminatrixator]

Wondering if Raven has a grey/silver plain bike with red/black shoes 3 straps.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Just curious as to if anyone knows if Raven is in Sandy, Utah or North Salt Lake, Utah. I ran across some fed ex shipping to a R. Abaroa to that city on sept 28th of 2005.



Here is the page, it seems like it was an order for a set of tires,
Michelin Pilot Road Street Tires.


Seems like a front and back, and they are in the mid hundred range, each.
www.mawonline.com/stathtm8.htm (this page has the link to the fed ex information under R. Abaroa for Sandy, Utah.

[golfmom]

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/pilotsport.html

They're motorcycle tires.

[Bobbisangel]

I haven't checked here for awhile and have been checking to see if this guy has been arrested yet. So far I haven't found anything to know if the cops are still even looking at him as a suspect. Are they still looking at him? They sure are taking their time if they do suspect him. They must have all of the evidence that there was to gather from the scene, etc.

Poor Janet deserves some justice and that little boy belongs with his grandparents....not his dad. I hope something happens soon. I really hope that this case hasn't gotten cold and placed on a back burner somewhere. Anybody know if LE is still doing anything? I would really like to know. Thanks.

[terminatrixator]

Yeah, that's him - wow - this guy works whaT, 2 days a week, if that, And he can afford to buy tires?
Can he afford to PERHAPS pay off THE MONEY HE OWES ON HIS EMBEZZLEMENT BEFORE HE BUYS HIMSELF CRAP?
Can he afford to pay for diapers, and start socking away money for Kaiden's schooling, and clothing
and actually spend SOME TIME with his CHILD instead of being the selfish, MONSTER that he is.

Raven you make me absolutely sick and I will delight in the day I can look you SQUARE in the EYE when
you are behind bars and tell you to your face you are a MONSTER.


R. ABAROA Zipcode:84070 Invoice:Y1535 Date:09/23/05 * GROUND*
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Qty Ord # Description Status Tracking #
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1 95146 MICHELIN PILOT ROAD 120/60ZR17 FR Shipped ID: 09/27 086795410421773 (http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?ascend_header=1&clienttype=dotcom&cntry_code=us&language=english&tracknumbers=086795410421773)
1 95152 MICHELIN PILOT ROAD 180/55ZR17 RR Shipped ID: 09/27 086795410421834 (http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?ascend_header=1&clienttype=dotcom&cntry_code=us&language=english&tracknumbers=086795410421834)
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[ewwwinteresting]

Just curious as to if anyone knows if Raven is in Sandy, Utah or North Salt Lake, Utah. I ran across some fed ex shipping to a R. Abaroa to that city on sept 28th of 2005.



Here is the page, it seems like it was an order for a set of tires,
Michelin Pilot Road Street Tires.


Seems like a front and back, and they are in the mid hundred range, each.
www.mawonline.com/stathtm8.htm (http://www.mawonline.com/stathtm8.htm) (this page has the link to the fed ex information under R. Abaroa for Sandy, Utah.
Good find ANF! You think raven is trying to replace Janet with a motorcycle? He did have to sell his pride and joy (you know that supporting of the family gets in the way of buying and maintaining big boy toys)....now that he no longer has to support Janet, receives free money from the government, lives with his mommy....big boy toys here I come!

Notice the delivery was left on the porch. Think raven was at work on Wednesday (one of his two days that week) at 11:20 a.m. or still in bed sleeping???

[ewwwinteresting]

No prob. I wish I could be more help, but unfortunately all I heard was "I heard he went down to Moab." Sorry... no clue with who or for what purpose. :doh:
Thanks for letting us know what you heard Q. Be careful, we don't want you to be in danger at all trying to find out info.

[ewwwinteresting]

My benefit of the doubt side was thinking that this might have been a relaxing, get away for a while kind of trip. It looks like it was actually more like a great big party.
Yes, it's amazing in six months how many "relaxing, get away for a while" trips raven has needed! Poor thing....so stressed out 'n all.

[ewwwinteresting]

I haven't checked here for awhile and have been checking to see if this guy has been arrested yet. So far I haven't found anything to know if the cops are still even looking at him as a suspect. Are they still looking at him? They sure are taking their time if they do suspect him. They must have all of the evidence that there was to gather from the scene, etc.

Poor Janet deserves some justice and that little boy belongs with his grandparents....not his dad. I hope something happens soon. I really hope that this case hasn't gotten cold and placed on a back burner somewhere. Anybody know if LE is still doing anything? I would really like to know. Thanks.
BA - I haven't heard if LE is doing anything. As far as we know this case could be on a back burner somewhere and with LE's statement of non-random and the public has no need to fear, who is really bugging them about finding the murderer??? It's really sickening that if raven did do this, LE hasn't arrested him by now.

Don't we just all, as taxpayers, love supporting this dude?

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Im just with the rest of you on finding it so odd that he was just in trouble for embezzeling, has a child to raise on his own, and still has money for a motorcycle. By the way, how do you put a car seat on a motorcycle?!

[JerseyGirl]

Angels, great find! I wouldn't even have thought to be checking his FedEx deliveries. I'm glad someone was because it's interesting to learn that he's been buying motorcycle tires. Has anyone mentioned how much these tires are?

I have one little problem with the information. As far as we know, Raven sold his Ducati early this past spring. Does he have a new motorcycle? Is it possible that someone else bought these in Raven's name, (delivery issues perhaps) or that maybe Raven is buying these for someone for Christmas? Or has a new motorcycle been added to Raven's grief therapy?

[JerseyGirl]

Are these possibly dirt bike tires or maybe even bicycle tires? (ETA: It does appear that these are indeed motorcycle tires.)

MICHELIN (http://amawonline.com/michelin.htm)

Tires street

Michelin Pilot Activ Tires

Sets a new standard for bias-ply sport touring tires - 20% greater tread life than Macadam 50. Significantly improved wet and dry grip due to increased rubber contact with road and new rubber mix. Optimum performance through life of tire. Available in a wide range of sizes; perfect for older bikes. Tubeless or tube type.

I've checked a little bit online and the lowest price I've seen is about $80 for the front tire and $100 for the rear tire.

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe this is just the first of many shipments that will be going to Raven's house. If you're in the market for motorcycle tires, keep your eyes on e-bay. :rolleyes:

I know that life has to go on after the death of a loved one, especially when children are present. But aren't the first holidays typically very, very hard on a new widower? Thanksgiving is a week and a half away, Christmas is right around the corner and Raven is ordering motorcycle tires? Gosh, he mourns so differently than I do.

And what were the dates of that bike fest? Shouldn't he have been enjoying the first conscious Halloween of Kaiden's with him? Taking him on hayrides and picking pumpkins? :confused:

[Jenifred]

That's exactly what I was thinking JG, did he miss taking Kaiden trick or treating? You know, a mother wouldn't have wanted to miss that--or things like that.

[JerseyGirl]

That's exactly what I was thinking JG, did he miss taking Kaiden trick or treating? You know, a mother wouldn't have wanted to miss that--or things like that.Was he gone on Halloween? Geez, let's hope that someone with Kaiden had him dressed up and took a whole lot of pictures. Poor little guy. :(

[golfmom]

Was he gone on Halloween? Geez, let's hope that someone with Kaiden had him dressed up and took a whole lot of pictures. Poor little guy. :(

Well, ya'll know it really wasn't important ... it isn't like it was his first halloween or anything ... :(

[libraryg]

Yes, it's amazing in six months how many "relaxing, get away for a while" trips raven has needed! Poor thing....so stressed out 'n all.


Working at that bike shop a few hours a week is enough to stress anyone out.........NOT! Raven=a complete :loser:

I pray for justice for Janet, her baby and sweet Kaiden. It seems such a long time coming....

[libraryg]

Was he gone on Halloween? Geez, let's hope that someone with Kaiden had him dressed up and took a whole lot of pictures. Poor little guy. :(


If this happened it really burns my ass....to think of that monster neglecting Kaiden on his first halloween. :furious: :furious: :furious:

[terminatrixator]

It happened, he went to bikefest in Moab, and left Kaiden with a babysitter, or his MommyDearest.

[JerseyGirl]

It happened, he went to bikefest in Moab, and left Kaiden with a babysitter, or his MommyDearest.What were the dates that he was gone?

[terminatrixator]

Over halloween weekend, I think I found him in the Moab Halloween Bikefest pictures.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

does it show him "with someone" just curious

[terminatrixator]

I believe two other guys standing there staring down at him.

http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/grouprides/amasaback05/amasa2.jpg

I could be wrong....but this seems to look like him - you can see the gut, but he's got chicken legs, and the two guys staring down on him could be his friends.

[Jenifred]

I really think that's probably him. And that picture was taken on the most difficult trail during that bike fest--the 64 mile ride you had to get an invitation to, and I don't think that Raven was on that list. You think Raven's ego would let him go on the easier rides? :laugh: Right!!

[terminatrixator]

I'm not positive if it is him or not, it's hard to see his pudgy face straight and his receding hairline without a straigh on camera shot.

Anyone else have a comment as to whether or not it is him?

I looked through hundreds of pictures and this is the one that though, he actually looks like he lost some pudge, (guess soccer, biking and dating sweetiesxx0's may be the reason why) he still has the gut lol.

[terminatrixator]

I'm starting to assume that may be him, as nobody as claimed to say that isn't him.

I'm wondering though, as I just read the "Dear The Raven" thread, about monies and how he is funding these trips, if this is Raven, how can afford this?

http://bikemag.com/gear/flowta300.jpg

GT Ruckus I-Drive Flowta WHERE: www.gtbicycles.com (http://www.gtbicycles.com/) HOW MUCH: $2,999.99

Back in 1998, the Spice Girls were still wildly popular and the world of suspension was still dominated by the mighty four-bar linkage design (still a very viable design).

Back then, GT and a score of other bike companies (Jamis, Ellsworth, Turner, Intense, and so on and so forth…) were happily building four bar bikes that featured a pivot on the chainstay, slightly below and in front of the rear drop-out. That pivot placement, however, is roughly what Specialized came to own in May of 1998, when they bought the Horst Link patents.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

well this is only a theory/opinion, but since our beloved (eye rolls) Raven loves to embezzel so much, AND he had motorcycle tires shipped to his house, AND hes working at a bike shop, maybe hes stealing actual bikes and selling? or something of the sort. That or people may be feeling sorry for him and sending him money to "raise" kaiden. As i said, just an opinion

[Hummingbird]

Just wondering, if this is a "high-end" bike shop, maybe he offered to test out some new tires as research for the shop... to improve sales, of course. So, the shop said, "sure, order the tires and use one of our best bikes"..... Or, his boss suggested it, and told him he MUST.... Far-fetched, I suppose, but possible.:confused:

[terminatrixator]

Having Raven as an employee, I think I'd be doing all the ordering myself and keep him away from any sorta ordering duties and away from anything to do with cash flow. I would definitely NOT ask a convicted felon, who is a two-time embezzler to order stuff for my company and do some testing.

I see where you are coming from, but if this bike-shop is suppose to be one of the better shops, you think they would make a better decision as to whom does the ordering Wouldn't the order be placed and shipped using the bike shop name?

[terminatrixator]

Isn't tonight SOCCER night???????

[guera]

Anybody know his Thanksgiving plans? Is he sticking around in Utah (if he's still there) or heading back east?

[terminatrixator]

Nope I haven't heard anything, but whereever he is, I hope he chokes on the bird.

[Jenifred]

Anybody know his Thanksgiving plans? Is he sticking around in Utah (if he's still there) or heading back east?
Back east, as in Virginia? Maybe he'd let the Christiansens see Kaiden for a little while? Yeah, right. Don't make me laugh!!

[ewwwinteresting]

Anybody know his Thanksgiving plans? Is he sticking around in Utah (if he's still there) or heading back east?
Good question guera....you would hope that the holidays with Kaiden would be shared with both families. You are probably in a better position to find out if he's staying in Utah or ?....see what the word on the street is :)

[terminatrixator]

Maybe he is spending it soccerbikefishing?

[Moxie]

Nope I haven't heard anything, but whereever he is, I hope he chokes on the bird.
The Bird done in by a bird.

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe he is spending it soccerbikefishing?Only if he doesn't have to take Kaiden along. :(

[Moxie]

Anybody know his Thanksgiving plans? Is he sticking around in Utah (if he's still there) or heading back east?
I don't really care where Raven is spending Thanksgiving.

[JustJax]

I don't really care where Raven is spending Thanksgiving.I do...or will if he is spending it here :behindbar

[Moxie]

I do...or will if he is spending it here :behindbar

Good Point!!:clap:

[terminatrixator]

After the Halloween fiasco and him spending it in Moab, leaving his child behind, I don't care where he is spending Thanksgiving, I just hope he chokes on his bird.

Instead of thinking about where Raven is spending Thanksgiving, let's all send out some good vibes and Prayers for Janet's son Kaiden, all her family and friends as this will be their first Thanksgiving without her.

[terminatrixator]

Any confirmation that this is Raven or not?

http://www.moabbikefest.com/IMAGES/festpics05/grouprides/amasaback05/amasa2.jpg

I'm in 90% range it is him, but nobody has yet to confirm it. This is where he spent Kaiden's first Halloween. Nice, no call to LE, no time with his child, but he can go spent a weekend or more biking.:doh:

I wonder where his next adventure will be, skiing, snowmobiling, soccerbikefishgolfing or what?

[munch]

I don't think that's Raven. I haven't seen him in a year, but if i had to guess (it is a guess), then I'd say no.

[terminatrixator]

Thanks Munch - I heard he had a broken jaw at the time or cracked cheek or something at the time of the MOAB - and he is such a strong guy (not) and did fine anyway, I am not sure if it is him or not -but I recognize his friends in the background looking down on him.

[terminatrixator]

Not sure where Raven is right now, probably doing as little as possible or planning another Bike Outting.

I did hear a very interesting scoop today.

I heard the Lead Homicide Detective, Detective Vaughn, of the Durham Police Department, who is handling Janet Marie Christiansen and her unborn child's brutal murder, just got back from a trip to Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia, where he was conducting interviews.

:eek:

[Jess]

Not sure where Raven is right now, probably doing as little as possible or planning another Bike Outting.

I did hear a very interesting scoop today.

I heard the Lead Homicide Detective, Detective Vaughn, of the Durham Police Department, who is handling Janet Marie Christiansen and her unborn child's brutal murder, just got back from a trip to Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia, where he was conducting interviews.

:eek:

Hmm tips must be starting to come in .... Ya think Raven is beginning to feel the heat a little more ?

[terminatrixator]

He's a sociopath I don't think he feels anything emotionally, but I hope he starts feeling LE's breath on his back.

[L L & S]

So call me a little slow but why should Smith Mountain Lake ring a bell. Is this a place where Raven and Janet would go together? Does the Rav have friends there?

Ya think the reward has someone http://bestsmileys.com/money/6.gif?

[munch]

i guess a broken jaw would change his appearance a bit.

too bad we don't have any more shots.

[L L & S]

i guess a broken jaw would change his appearance a bit.

too bad we don't have any more shots.
I'm sorry munch, for the life of me I don't understand this post.

[terminatrixator]

LL & S, Munch I believe is referring to the picture that looks very much like (to me) the picture of The Raven at Moab. There is only one picture that I could find of him that look remotely like him at Moab. I recognized the two guys he was with as acquaintances or friends of Raven, that's why Munch said (s)he wishes that there was more than one shot (picture) of the bike trip.

I just know he he hurt his face prior to going to Moab because of practice or a game.

[terminatrixator]

So call me a little slow but why should Smith Mountain Lake ring a bell. Is this a place where Raven and Janet would go together? Does the Rav have friends there?

Ya think the reward has someone http://bestsmileys.com/money/6.gif?
I don't know, the Lead Detective is probably looking at all places frequented by the Raven, and interviewing people to see if he had been there.

I'm hoping that all his old neighborhoods, every old neighbor, all his old classmates, all his past dalliances with other women, all his friends, all the teams he's played on, every store he's been too, every church he's been too, every single job, everyone single person that the Raven has met get's interviewed by the Lead Homicide Detective Vaughn.

[terminatrixator]

Well considering Raven couldn't afford the rent on his place, I doubt he was looking to purchase here.

http://www.smithmountain-lakehomes.com/

[Moxie]

I don't know, the Lead Detective is probably looking at all places frequented by the Raven, and interviewing people to see if he had been there.

I'm hoping that all his old neighborhoods, every old neighbor, all his old classmates, all his past dalliances with other women, all his friends, all the teams he's played on, every store he's been too, every church he's been too, every single job, everyone single person that the Raven has met get's interviewed by the Lead Homicide Detective Vaughn.
Smith Mountain Lake? What would be the significance of that?

Maybe the reward money is having a positive effect!?!?

[BirdHunter]

Smith Mountain Lake? What would be the significance of that?

Maybe the reward money is having a positive effect!?!?I don't know the significance of this place, but look it up on a map. It is quite near Buena Vista, VA. This is where SVU is located. That is where the funeral was and that is where we know for sure that Raven spent time. Maybe he also spent time at Smith Mountain Lake.

[terminatrixator]

Well the looks of the place, disposing of personal items would be very very easy indeed. :croc:

[terminatrixator]

http://www.dcr.state.va.us/parks/smithmtn.htm

It's about a 2-1/2 hour drive from Durham to Moneta, VA (approx. 105-118 miles) depending on what Mapping system you use.

From Smith Mountain Lake to SVU - Buena Vista, VA it is a little over an hour driving, at a total distance of about 55 miles, depending on the Mapping System you use.

[JerseyGirl]

I heard the Lead Homicide Detective, Detective Vaughn, of the Durham Police Department, who is handling Janet Marie Christiansen and her unborn child's brutal murder, just got back from a trip to Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia, where he was conducting interviews.Hmmmm, what could be the significance of this? The first thing that popped into my head - Raven stayed with family of Janet's after the murder, correct? Is this lake near that family member's house? Could it be that a murder weapon may have been disposed of in that location?

[JerseyGirl]

Well considering Raven couldn't afford the rent on his place, I doubt he was looking to purchase here.... or maybe he was. Lack of money never stopped him before.

[JerseyGirl]

I don't know the significance of this place, but look it up on a map. It is quite near Buena Vista, VA. This is where SVU is located. That is where the funeral was and that is where we know for sure that Raven spent time. Maybe he also spent time at Smith Mountain Lake.Maybe during homecoming weekend?

[JerseyGirl]

This is very intriguing but I don't know what the significance would be ...

Did Raven dispose of a weapon there shortly after the murder? Near the funeral even? Near homecoming?
DID he look into property there?
Did he have a tryst with someone at that lake?

What are all of the possibilities that would make this significant?

[terminatrixator]

... or maybe he was. Lack of money never stopped him before.
LOL did you see the size of those homes, they have to be worth HUGE BUCKAROONIES!

Well, maybe you are right, it's not the money you have in your pocket that matters to the Raven. Iit's never been about responsibilities or the amount of love you have in your life that mattered to the Raven.

It's what things look like ON THE OUTSIDE, that seemed to matter to Raven.

Gotta have big boy toys, and I guess a Big boy Home could have been his next little adventure.

Except that means, maintenance and spending money on something that's not a toy.

[JerseyGirl]

LOL did you see the size of those homes, they have to be worth HUGE BUCKAROONIES!The kind you might get from a life insurance policy? :innocent:

[JerseyGirl]

So there's some info about Smith Mountain Lake right here on WS:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Jennifer Short (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=721506&postcount=27)

I've been wondering about a possible connection between Joseph Duncan & the Short family murders. North of Bassett, VA is a large lake, the Smith Mountain Lake, which is a place that is popular with scuba divers and sounds like a great place to visit.
http://www.virginiasbestkeptsecret.com/scubadiving.html

The Short family murders occurred on August 15. In mid-August there is an annual antique boat show at the Smith Mountain Lake. Is it possible that Joseph Duncan, who liked to travel as evidenced in his hobbies of geocaching & scuba diving, who even visited his "doctor friend" Richard Wacksman in Florida where he scuba dived, traveled south and east to southern Virginia, visited Smith Mountain Lake ...

[JerseyGirl]

Interestingly, there's a Raven Cliff and a Raven's Roost (remember that web site by that name a long time ago), and they both seem to be near Smith Mountain Lake. It seems that biking might be a draw there. Lots of campgrounds as well. Also boating and yachting. Hiking and triathalons.

I don't know where this is going, if anywhere, but I'm checking around right now.

[JerseyGirl]

Bicycling the Blue Ridge Parkway, mile by mile bike info (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ULg1r4iKrMJ:www.nukefix.org/parkway/parkwaymile.htm+raven+cliff+%22smith+mountain+lake %22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8)

... VA 24, 5 mi. to Roanoke (http://www.digital-neighbor.com/city/va/roanoke454b.htm). Current Weather (http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USVA0659). 4 mi. to Stewartsville_, near Smith Mountain Lake. 1.8 miles west Cardinal Bicycle 540 344 2453, East Vinton Plaza good shopping point, Vinton zip 24179...

[JerseyGirl]

Wildernet - Smith Mountain Lake Campground - 1 (http://activities.wildernet.com/pages/activity.cfm)

Smith Mountain Lake State Park offers a large campground with 50 sites accommodating both tents and RVs up to 50 feet. Each site has a picnic table, fire ring with grill and a lantern post. The RV sites accept outlets for 20 and 30 amp current. Campsites are rather squeezed together yet they rest beneath a nice hardwood canopy...

[JerseyGirl]

So I keep thinking about Smith Mountain Lake. And I wonder - what kind of events (if any) do they have there? Was there anything that Raven could have done there since Janet's death that would fit into his other mourning activities. Please feel free to join me in researching any activities that might have been held at Smith Mountain Lake since Janet's death:

May 9 - SMLCCP Annual Corporate Golf Cup
May 21 - Tom Maynard Memorial Poker Run
July 3/4 - Smith Mountain Lake Fireworks
July 16 - 5 wakeboarding tournaments
August 13 - The 15th Annual Antique & Classic Boat Show and Rally
September 24/25 - 17th Annual SML Wine Festival
October 7, 8, 9 - SML Charity Home Tour & Gala
October 15 - SML Fall Festival
November 5 - SML Fall Chili Festival

Welcome To Smith Mountain Lake (http://www.visitsmithmountainlake.com/)

Sounds like lots of good times to be had.

[JerseyGirl]

You’ve reached a little bit of paradise here at Smith Mountain Lake, where soaring mountains meet sparkling waters, where days can be as exciting and full, or as peacefully empty, as you’d like them.

Visit us and find out why professionals find corporate – and personal – retreats here. Why honeymooners seek out our romantic inns. Why kids love to play in our parks and on our beaches. Why retirees build dream homes overlooking our lake. Why boaters, anglers, water-skiers and wakeboarders love our 22,000 acres of water and 500 miles of shoreline.

There’s high-end shopping, fine dining, art galleries, tournament fishing, championship golf and award-winning wineries. No matter the season, Smith Mountain Lake is a perfect vacation, with a full year’s calendar of festivals and events, plus indoor and outdoor diversions for any weather...

Smith Mountain Lake, VA (http://www.theroanoker.com/sml/)

[JerseyGirl]

Well considering Raven couldn't afford the rent on his place, I doubt he was looking to purchase here.

http://www.smithmountain-lakehomes.com/OMG, did you see this place? Geez ... I could use some time away.

Smith Mountain Lake Property (http://www.smithmountain-lakehomes.com/property.html)

Some pictures of rentals on the lakefront:

Smith Mountain Lake Vacation Rentals - Silver Bay View Cottages (http://www.silverbayview.com/cedarcabin.html)

Smith Mountain Lake Vacation Rentals - Silver Bay View Cottages (http://www.silverbayview.com/mainhouse.html)

Smith Mountain Lake Vacation Rentals - Silver Bay View Cottages (http://www.silverbayview.com/cabin2.html)

Smith Mountain Lake Vacation Rentals - Silver Bay View Cottages (http://www.silverbayview.com/cabin1.html)

[JerseyGirl]

Here's an interactive map:

Map of Smith Mountain Lake: Smith Mountain Lake Map in VA - see a satellite image of the lake (http://www.smithmountainhomes.com/smith_mountain_lake_lots/smith_mountain_lake_map.html?utm_id=106&utm_source=google_search&utm_term=smith%20mountain%20lake%20map)

And info from the "homes for sale" tab:

Smith Mountain Lake Real Estate: Smith Mountain Lake Waterfront Homes for Sale in Virginia, VA - Realtors for waterfront prop... (http://www.smithmountainhomes.com/smith_mountain_lake_homes.htm)

And another map:

Map Of Smith Mountain Lake (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:SZFaIcd0ew0J:www.smithmountainlake-rentals.com/map.htm+%22smith+mountain+lake%22+map&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8)

[JerseyGirl]

Smith Mountain Lake Guide (http://www.smlake.net/)

Recreation abounds at the Lake, theres sailing, golf, tennis, motorboats of all types, fishing, parasailing, skiing, and entertainment all in a rural setting yet close to the cities of Roanoke and Lynchburg.

The Lake boasts about 18,000 residents located in three counties, Franklin, Bedford and Pittslyvania. The year round temperature is moderate but the seasons are distinct and we even get a couple of snowfalls a year. The lake has 500 miles of shoreline and covers 20,600 acres and is the 2nd largest lake in Virginia. It is considered the cleanest lake in the east and was created in 1966 by damming up the Roanoke and Blackwater Rivers...

[SouthEastSleuth]

Digging around on this Smith Mountain Lake (SML) thing JG - found one other thing of interest.

Seems there is a triathlon each May at SML. The one this year is May 6th.

http://www.commonwealthgames.org/smltri.html



The event last year was on May 7 (2005).

(referenced in this link: http://www.sevenhillstriclub.com/index2.htm )

[JerseyGirl]

Wow, this really looks like the perfect place for Raven ...

-> SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE HOTELS - MOTELS <-- (http://www.virginiasbestkeptsecret.com/fun.html)

Parasailing, scuba diving, go karts, jet skiing, water skiing, sky diving ...

--> SPORTS SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE!! (http://www.virginiasbestkeptsecret.com/sports_smith_mountain_lake.html)

I'd be surprised if Raven wasn't looking to live here year-round.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Smith Mountain Lake Guide (http://www.smlake.net/)

Recreation abounds at the Lake, theres sailing, golf, tennis, motorboats of all types, fishing, parasailing, skiing, and entertainment all in a rural setting yet close to the cities of Roanoke and Lynchburg.

The Lake boasts about 18,000 residents located in three counties, Franklin, Bedford and Pittslyvania. The year round temperature is moderate but the seasons are distinct and we even get a couple of snowfalls a year. The lake has 500 miles of shoreline and covers 20,600 acres and is the 2nd largest lake in Virginia. It is considered the cleanest lake in the east and was created in 1966 by damming up the Roanoke and Blackwater Rivers...

Seems that the two main towns around the Lake are Moneta and Huddleston. I'm sure there are others, but I keep seeing those two names pop up as I'm digging around.

[JerseyGirl]

Seems that the two main towns around the Lake are Moneta and Huddleston. I'm sure there are others, but I keep seeing those two names pop up as I'm digging around.Moneta seems to be very pricey from what I've seen. How about Huddleston? I don't recall specifically seeing that town.

[BirdHunter]

I know where Raven is not. He is not in NC talking to LE about the murder of his wife.

[terminatrixator]

Interestingly, there's a Raven Cliff and a Raven's Roost (remember that web site by that name a long time ago), and they both seem to be near Smith Mountain Lake. It seems that biking might be a draw there. Lots of campgrounds as well. Also boating and yachting. Hiking and triathalons.

I don't know where this is going, if anywhere, but I'm checking around right now.
Thanks Jersey, Yep I remember that, good memory. Is there a Raven Lake or Raven Mountain of Lies anywhere?

[ewwwinteresting]

I know where Raven is not. He is not in NC talking to LE about the murder of his wife.I just don't get how he can rationalize this fact to his family! :waitasec: If my son never contacted LE or went there or helped out with the investigation, I would want some answers!

[ewwwinteresting]

Digging around on this Smith Mountain Lake (SML) thing JG - found one other thing of interest.

Seems there is a triathlon each May at SML. The one this year is May 6th.

http://www.commonwealthgames.org/smltri.html



The event last year was on May 7 (2005).

(referenced in this link: http://www.sevenhillstriclub.com/index2.htm )
I wonder if he is planning to attend this. Doesn't he have some relative (an uncle maybe) in Vermont or somewhere up there that doesn this type of stuff? If I remember right, they were on a team together in some sort of adventure race......OR this may be another place raven goes to look for the murderer???:rolleyes:

[Moxie]

I just don't get how he can rationalize this fact to his family! :waitasec: If my son never contacted LE or went there or helped out with the investigation, I would want some answers!
I am sooo glad that Carrington-Sund has put reward money out for the arrest and conviction of Janet's murderer. Since Raven is not doing anything to assist LE, or to help solve the case of who murdered his wife, I am so glad a national organization is getting involved.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Moneta seems to be very pricey from what I've seen. How about Huddleston? I don't recall specifically seeing that town.

From what I can tell, both areas tend to be pretty pricey. The lake is pretty big, and seems to have different residential areas all around. From what I can tell, it seems there are some full-time residents, but it appears that most homes are vacation homes, with owners from all parts of Virginia and surrounding areas. It also appears there's a huge rental market for homes here - as in weekly rentals for summer vacations primarily.

[JerseyGirl]

I heard the Lead Homicide Detective, Detective Vaughn, of the Durham Police Department, who is handling Janet Marie Christiansen and her unborn child's brutal murder, just got back from a trip to Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia, where he was conducting interviews.Okay, now that I've bombarded the thread with everything you could ever want to know about Smith Mountain Lake (and then some), let's really think about this.

The rumor is that Detective Vaughan just returned from Smith Mountain Lake after conducting some interviews. What can this mean?

Is this a place where Raven and Janet might have gone together? Well, it's been 9 months since the murder. Would anyone even remember the two of them after all of this time? Unless they had been there somewhat regularly or stayed at the same place each time they went. Otherwise, think back to your own vacations. Would you remember a couple that stayed near you one time nearly a year ago or longer? I probably wouldn't remember a couple that stayed near me last weekend.

Even if we assume that Janet and Raven had been there together, what would that have to do with the investigation 9 months later? Are they looking to see if Raven went to that lake with another woman while Janet was still alive? That seems like a long-shot, IMO. Or are they possibly looking to see if Raven visited the area AFTER the murder? And how soon after the murder? And for what purpose? And what about that would be of interest to LE?

And if they are interviewing, clearly they must be interviewing year-round residents. It wouldn't make sense to interview people that are only staying there for the week, (if there even ARE any renters in January). So is the area in which they're interviewing a residential area only? Are there rental properties mixed in?

In any case, it seems to me that Raven must have visited this lake and it must have been more than once. It is also my opinion that they are interested in any visits Raven might have made to this lake after the murder as opposed to before the murder.

[juliagoulia]

The SVU Men's Soccer team played Ferrum College (located near Smith Mountain Lake) on October 20, 2005. This is the Thursday after homecoming weekend, and we all know Raven attended homecoming. The lake is about 30 miles from the college.

Probably unrelated, but I thought I would throw it out there. Here is the link to Soccer Team's schedule:

http://207.42.162.221/athletics/index.php?sportid=10&mode=schedule

[terminatrixator]

Okay, now that I've bombarded the thread with everything you could ever want to know about Smith Mountain Lake (and then some), let's really think about this.

The rumor is that Detective Vaughan just returned from Smith Mountain Lake after conducting some interviews. What can this mean?

Is this a place where Raven and Janet might have gone together? Well, it's been 9 months since the murder. Would anyone even remember the two of them after all of this time? Unless they had been there somewhat regularly or stayed at the same place each time they went. Otherwise, think back to your own vacations. Would you remember a couple that stayed near you one time nearly a year ago or longer? I probably wouldn't remember a couple that stayed near me last weekend.

Even if we assume that Janet and Raven had been there together, what would that have to do with the investigation 9 months later? Are they looking to see if Raven went to that lake with another woman while Janet was still alive? That seems like a long-shot, IMO. Or are they possibly looking to see if Raven visited the area AFTER the murder? And how soon after the murder? And for what purpose? And what about that would be of interest to LE?

And if they are interviewing, clearly they must be interviewing year-round residents. It wouldn't make sense to interview people that are only staying there for the week, (if there even ARE any renters in January). So is the area in which they're interviewing a residential area only? Are there rental properties mixed in?

In any case, it seems to me that Raven must have visited this lake and it must have been more than once. It is also my opinion that they are interested in any visits Raven might have made to this lake after the murder as opposed to before the murder.
Great questions JG, I need to think about this a while.

I'm thinking it would residents and perhaps businesses in the area, there may be rental properties in the area. I do believe purchasing in this area is WAY out of Raven's League IMO.

[terminatrixator]

The SVU Men's Soccer team played Ferrum College (located near Smith Mountain Lake) on October 20, 2005. This is the Thursday after homecoming weekend, and we all know Raven attended homecoming. The lake is about 30 miles from the college.

Probably unrelated, but I thought I would throw it out there. Here is the link to Soccer Team's schedule:

http://207.42.162.221/athletics/index.php?sportid=10&mode=schedule
Hmmm wonder if he went after SVU Homecoming and someone saw him there and called in some tips. 30 Miles is nothing from SVU.

I'm hoping there are tips coming in with the reward out there. I do wish there was more we could do to spread the word about the Reward. I think it needs to hit Utah, and there needs to be more News Coverage in North Carolina and Virginia, for those people that may still live in Virginia that went to school with Janet and may have known Raven.

[juliagoulia]

30 Miles is nothing from SVU.
I should clarify...Ferrum College is about 30 miles from the lake. SVU is about 60 miles.

[terminatrixator]

Doh, thanks for clarifying, I have been traveling lots lately, and I am a bit out of it.

[lauriej]

I wonder if he is planning to attend this. Doesn't he have some relative (an uncle maybe) in Vermont or somewhere up there that doesn this type of stuff? If I remember right, they were on a team together in some sort of adventure race......OR this may be another place raven goes to look for the murderer???:rolleyes:
.yep..you do remember correctly ewws..........i found your original post on that:

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http://www.adventureracingzone.com/...t=293&view=next (http://www.adventureracingzone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=293&view=next)

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:19 pm
Team Razbo, Mt Snow, VT

Our Female racer dropped out and we are desperatly looking for a replacement for this race. We are a novice team just looking for experience and some fun. Send me an e-mail if you are interested. ar@abaroa.org (ar@abaroa.org)

..Uh oh......seems the raven "replacement" didn't help the team much. Placed fifth out of six teams??

http://www.dnet.net/racingahead/ARS...ace2results.htm (http://www.dnet.net/racingahead/ARSeriesRace2results.htm)

[JerseyGirl]

The SVU Men's Soccer team played Ferrum College (located near Smith Mountain Lake) on October 20, 2005. This is the Thursday after homecoming weekend, and we all know Raven attended homecoming. The lake is about 30 miles from the college.Hmmm, interesting. But would this matter at all to the investigation other than perhaps to help show the pattern of Raven's behavior after Janet's death? Aside from that, I can't imagine what about a visit by Raven to Smith Mountain Lake 6 months after Janet's murder would require interviews. IMO, it has to be something else that would lead detectives all the way there - something more significant. How far is this lake from Durham? (Good searching, JG.)

[SouthEastSleuth]

Okay, now that I've bombarded the thread with everything you could ever want to know about Smith Mountain Lake (and then some), let's really think about this.

The rumor is that Detective Vaughan just returned from Smith Mountain Lake after conducting some interviews. What can this mean?

Is this a place where Raven and Janet might have gone together? Well, it's been 9 months since the murder. Would anyone even remember the two of them after all of this time? Unless they had been there somewhat regularly or stayed at the same place each time they went. Otherwise, think back to your own vacations. Would you remember a couple that stayed near you one time nearly a year ago or longer? I probably wouldn't remember a couple that stayed near me last weekend.

Even if we assume that Janet and Raven had been there together, what would that have to do with the investigation 9 months later? Are they looking to see if Raven went to that lake with another woman while Janet was still alive? That seems like a long-shot, IMO. Or are they possibly looking to see if Raven visited the area AFTER the murder? And how soon after the murder? And for what purpose? And what about that would be of interest to LE?

And if they are interviewing, clearly they must be interviewing year-round residents. It wouldn't make sense to interview people that are only staying there for the week, (if there even ARE any renters in January). So is the area in which they're interviewing a residential area only? Are there rental properties mixed in?

In any case, it seems to me that Raven must have visited this lake and it must have been more than once. It is also my opinion that they are interested in any visits Raven might have made to this lake after the murder as opposed to before the murder.
You know this is an interesting point - this lake does seem to be, at least primarily, a place to go in the spring and summer, when the weather is nice, good for water activities, etc., - so if DV is going there NOW, this time of year, to investigate, it says to me one or two things -

1) going there to talk to someone(s) he knows are there this time of year

or


2) perhaps going there to a visit or see a particular house or property for some reason or another? (and then perhaps talk to anyone around that area that's in residence now?)

Again, an interesting question would be, as someone else posed, to know if Raven and/or Janet ever went to SML, or, if they knew anyone with a house at SML. With such relative proximity to SVU, it wouldn't be surprising to me at all if they've made a visit to this lake before, or, if they knew someone with a house in that area!

And the obvious: if DV was at SML, recently, investigating SOMETHING having to do with Janet's murder, after all these months, then SOMETHING about SML is critically important I would think!

[SouthEastSleuth]

Hmmm, interesting. But would this matter at all to the investigation other than perhaps to help show the pattern of Raven's behavior after Janet's death? Aside from that, I can't imagine what about a visit by Raven to Smith Mountain Lake 6 months after Janet's murder would require interviews. IMO, it has to be something else that would lead detectives all the way there - something more significant. How far is this lake from Durham? (Good searching, JG.)
You know, it also makes me wonder - if DV was investigating at this lake just recently, could it be based on some TIP he's received since the reward was offered??????????

[terminatrixator]

I'd be interested to know whether or not all Raven's previous haunts, employers and residences, neighbors, vacation spots, churches, friends, acquantainces are being questioned.

That would definitely creep me out.

[JerseyGirl]

And the obvious: if DV was at SML, recently, investigating SOMETHING having to do with Janet's murder, after all these months, then SOMETHING about SML is critically important I would think!Exactly. This definitely deserves some intense digging. What would make that location so important?

[JerseyGirl]

2006 Smith Mountain Lake Calendar of Events (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:eovtcpG7veoJ:www.thelakeexpert.com/2006calendar.htm+smith+mountain+lake+calendar&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7&ie=UTF-8)

April 1, 2006
Wal-Mart BFL Bass Fishing Tournament

April 28, 2006
3rd SMLCC/P Business Expo

May 6, 2006
Take Pride In SML

May 8, 2006
10th Annual Corporate Cup

May 2006
SML Poker Run

Tom Maynard Memorial Poker Run (http://www.smlba.com/)

June 3, 2006
Pig River Ramble Canoe Race and Fun Float

June 2006
Juneteenth Celebration

July 2006
Fireworks Display

July 2006
Virginia Amateur Sports Bike Race

August 12, 2006
15th Annual Antique Boat Show

September 23 and 24, 2006
17th Annual Wine Festival

August 15 - October 15
4th Annual SMLCC/P Photo Contest

October 6, 7, 8, 2006
SML Charity Home Tour

October 14, 2006
SML Fall Festival

October 19, 2006
SMLCC/P's Fall Golf Classic

November 4, 2006
4th Annual SML Fall Chili Festival

[JerseyGirl]

ReMax Lakefront Realty, Inc. - Let us show you Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:TEyYdumYISQJ:www.usamls.net/remaxlakefront/default.asp%3Fcontent%3Dcustom%26menu_id%3D22741%2 6lid%3D1624+smith+mountain+lake+calendar+2005&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8)

2005 Calendarof Events

April 1-2 Wal-Mart Bass Fishing League Tournament

April 29-May 1 In-Water Boat Show at Bridgewater PlazaApril 22SML Chamber/Partnership Business Expo at Bridgewater Plaza

May 7 Take Pride in Smith Mountain Lake
Annual lake clean-up effort by the entire lake community.

May 7 The 7th Annual SML Triathlon at Smith Mountain Lake State Park

May 9 The 9th Annual Corporate Cup Golf Tournament
At The Water's Edge Country Club

May 21 Tom Maynard Memorial Poker Run
Boating safety is the emphasis of this fundraising event for local organizations. The card game involves boating participants stopping at designated points to select playing cards. Card hands are revealed at the barbeque and awards ceremony. Prizes for best appearing boat and best card hand are awarded.

June 4 Pigg River Ramble Canoe Race and Fun Float
This day-long event (9 a.m.-8 p.m.)also includes great food and bluegrass music.

June 15 SMLCC/P 3rd Annual Photo Contest

June 18 Juneteeth Celebration
Freedom is the focus of this emancipation celebration at Booker T. Washington National Monument. Tour the Burroughs plantation and enjoy music by local gospel groups.

July 3 Fireworks Display
28th Annual Fireworks Spectacular at Smith Mountain Dock and Lodge in Pittsylvania County. Enjoy the display by boat or car.

Aug. 13 - 15th Annual Antique Boat Show
This lakeside event is held at The Pointe at Mariners Landing from 1-5 p.m. It includes antique wooden boats, classic cars, food, crafts and activities for all ages. Visit www.woodenboats.net (http://www.woodenboats.net/) for more information.

Sept. 24-25 17th Annual Smith Mountain Lake Wine Festival
More than 4,000 come out for this annual two-day lakeside event - rain or shine - showcasing approx. 16 Virgina wineries; quality crafters, great food, live music. Contact: SML Chamber/Partnership (http://www.visitsmithmountainlake.com/) at 800-676-8203. Tickets available online.

Oct. 7-9 SML Charity Home Tour
Visit spectacular SML area homes by boat or car. Ticket sales support 8 local and regional charities. For more information visit: www.smlcharityhometour.com (http://www.smlcharityhometour.com/)

Oct. 15 Smith Mountain Lake Fall Festival
Held at Saunders Parkway Marina. Fun for all ages with activities, music, food vendors, crafters and more.

Nov. 5 - 3rd Annual Smith Mountain Lake Fall Chili Festival
Chili for every taste as participants compete for flavor and showmanship. Fun, music, activities and LOTS of Chili at this lakeside event. Bridgewater Plaza lower level.

Dec. 2-3 Christmas Days in Old Virginia
Celebrate a mid-nineteenth century Christmas on the Burroughs Plantation with lantern tours, children's activities entertainment and refreshments.

Dec. 10 7th Annual Virginia Dare "Flotilla for Toys" Boat Parade
Gorgeous boats "decked out'"for the holiday season illuminate the lake for an evening of holiday cheer. The parade of boats, a toy drive event for the Lake Christian Ministries, leaves port from the Virginia Dare Marina at 7 p.m., travels to Halesford Bridge and up the lake to the State Park.

[JerseyGirl]

http://72.14.207.104/search... (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache<img src=)

This site has an interactive map of Smith Mountain Lake. There's also a small map on the front page that shows you the sections (towns?) around the lake.

The sections right on the lake appear to be:

Westlake
Union Hall
Penhook

Still close to the lake but not right on the water (or so it appears on the map anyway):

Moneta
Bedford
Huddleston
Burnt Chimney
Rocky Mount

[JerseyGirl]

Seems that there's an event coming up that combines several things that we know about Raven. On March 25, 2006 there is the Adventure XStream Moab 2006.

[terminatrixator]

Cool, if I am not traveling, maybe I should go to the Bikefest and take my own pictures.

[JerseyGirl]

Any new thoughts or information about Smith Mountain Lake? I have the feeling that it's important but I don't know how or why.

[terminatrixator]

Still trying to dig up information on this. Will let you know if I find anything out.

I'm on the West Coast and will be flying out East on business in about a Month.

I would like to check out some of these sites we've talked about myself, if I can swing it.

[JerseyGirl]

So something about Smith Mountain Lake made LE go there to investigate. I am assuming that one of two scenarios is most likely in terms of piquing LE's interest:

1) Raven went there with another woman at some point during his marriage.

2) Raven went there at some point after the murder.

We haven't heard any reports of him going there as we heard reports on his Moab trip, his job at the bike shop, etc. So if he went there after the murder, was this something he mentioned to people? I can't help but think that if he had gone there on the up-and-up, he would have mentioned it to someone, and we would have heard about it. Are there any periods of time for which Raven was unaccounted following the murder? And not just immediately following but anytime following. A time when perhaps he was supposedly going one place and went another.

Does anyone know the timeline for Raven's living arrangements after the murder? From what we know, he went to headquarters for questioning that first night and then never went back to the house on Ferrand Drive. So where was he from that point until he moved to Utah? Is it possible that at some point in those early months that he went away by himself?

[Jenifred]

Does anyone know the timeline for Raven's living arrangements after the murder? From what we know, he went to headquarters for questioning that first night and then never went back to the house on Ferrand Drive. So where was he from that point until he moved to Utah? Is it possible that at some point in those early months that he went away by himself?
Didn't he run off to play volleyball without the Christiansens knowing? I sure wouldn't put it past him that he went for another little excursion while staying with them.

[JerseyGirl]

I find myself wondering if he went there after the murder with someone, and LE is trying to shake up that someone to come forward with information.

So again ... if anyone out there has any information, please consider Janet and her two children and call LE. I know it's scary but you can provide tips anonymously and one single piece of information might be the one that turns this whole case around.

Anonymous calls may be made to Crime Stoppers - 1-919-683-1200

You may also call the Durham Police Department - 1-919-560-4440
Facsimile: 1-919-560-1137 FAX
Website: http://www.durhampolice.com/

[terminatrixator]

Oh you can be sure he did a lot of running around, and did whatever the hell he pleased, he probably had a built in babysitter.

I wouldn't put it past the PNess that he was telling them he was hanging around the the police station all the time, trying to help in the investigation.

[JerseyGirl]

WARNING - Don't click the discussion forum link on the following page! My computer detected and deleted a virus when I clicked that link.

Cycling Utah - Utah Mountain Biking, Utah Road Biking, Utah Bicycling Information (http://www.cyclingutah.com/)

Wanna find out where the next race is? Need to know how you placed in last month's race? Then go check out Cycling Utah. Where would we be without the excellent publication put together by Bob Truelsen and Dave Ward? Also, stop by Bingham Cyclery and pick up a copy of their latest news letter, it's FREE. Nowhere else can you get a more complete listing of races, rides, and results. They also cover many events in Idaho.

Links for event calendars along the left side of the page, (although it seems like these events are for the Big Boys).

I think we should find out about cyclocross.

ETA: Be careful with that link - don't click the discussion forum link from the main page; when I did that, my virus software picked up and deleted a virus.

[JerseyGirl]

Smith Mountain Lake ... :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:

[BirdHunter]

On AIM?:waitasec::waitasec: :waitasec:

[terminatrixator]

Yup.........Hey Rave:slap: tag your it.

[BirdHunter]

Hey Raven, does she know all your secrets?:furious:

[libraryg]

On AIM?:waitasec::waitasec: :waitasec:


Yeah I saw that too....both last night and tonight.
First time since last summer, actually.
Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

[SouthEastSleuth]

May 7 The 7th Annual SML Triathlon at Smith Mountain Lake State Park


I don't really picture Raven as a triathlete, in the least, but, this event certainly seems like something that would get his attention!

[JerseyGirl]

I can see him being into triathalons. His uncle is into that adventure racing - isn't that similar?

There are a couple of other events that they have there that sounded interesting to me. I wonder if Raven would like them as well. One is wakeboarding. The other is that Poker Run. I'm not sure exactly how that one goes but it sounds something like - a bunch of different boats have to go from pier to pier or store to store or something like that to pick up playing cards. After getting all 5 cards, the one with the best hand wins. I'm trying to find the details because it sounds like a really neat idea (I think it might also be a charity event), but I can't find it yet. In any case, as neat as it sounds, so far I haven't heard of Raven being into boating. Has anyone else?

[SouthEastSleuth]

I think the reality is, whether Raven is a skilled athlete or not, I get the impression that he at least enjoys most outdoor activities, and perhaps surrounding himself with people with similar type interests. It's interesting though, as far as personality, I wonder if Raven is actually intimidated by some of those he's tended to surround himself with - as far as skills, abilities, etc. Certainly by all accounts, Janet was the star soccer player, not Raven. And I wonder on these adventure races, volleyball, mtn biking, etc., etc., if Raven is in fact TRYING to prove something to himself, as far as his abilities, etc.

That said, I think he'd try most anything if he thought it would lead to a certain perception of him as this outdoorsy athletic type.

Boating? Sure, why not. Wakeboarding? Possible, for sure. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to come across references to Raven most anywhere, in relation to him trying desperately to fit in, to be perceived as this uber-athlete, Mr. Outdoors, etc. That said, with all that does on at SML, it seems like the perfect playground - for real athletes, as well as athletic wannabes!

[JerseyGirl]

It's interesting though, as far as personality, I wonder if Raven is actually intimidated by some of those he's tended to surround himself with - as far as skills, abilities, etc. Certainly by all accounts, Janet was the star soccer player, not Raven. And I wonder on these adventure races, volleyball, mtn biking, etc., etc., if Raven is in fact TRYING to prove something to himself, as far as his abilities, etc.What intrigues me about that statement is that I've had the exact same impression. Raven's working at the bike shop is the perfect example. It seems that many of those people, including the very young ones, have some pretty impressive athletic accomplishments - track, biking, etc. Most of their names pop up in all kinds of racing events. One of the few names in that Draper store that does NOT seem to pop up in connection with big athletic events is Raven Abaraoa. Now that he's working with them, I wonder if we won't start to see him competing (or trying to compete) in some of these events. Biking in Moab, for instance. A few people that he works with had biked in Moab long before Raven's trip there last year. Do we know if Raven ever biked in Moab before that trip or was it another example of trying to fit in with those around him?

[SouthEastSleuth]

There are a couple of other events that they have there that sounded interesting to me. I wonder if Raven would like them as well. One is wakeboarding. The other is that Poker Run. I'm not sure exactly how that one goes but it sounds something like - a bunch of different boats have to go from pier to pier or store to store or something like that to pick up playing cards. After getting all 5 cards, the one with the best hand wins. I'm trying to find the details because it sounds like a really neat idea (I think it might also be a charity event), but I can't find it yet. In any case, as neat as it sounds, so far I haven't heard of Raven being into boating. Has anyone else?

Just FYI - the Poker Run appears to be an annual fundraising event sponsored by the not-for-profit Smith Mountain Lake Boating Association. This year's event will be held May 20th.

It seems that you register to participate. The registration info is basic name, address, etc., as well as a blank for "boat."

I don't know that we've ever heard anything about Raven and boating, whether he's ever owned a boat, has any boating skills, etc. But, it would not surprise me if he had interest in this - as again, it's a chance to perhaps prove yet another "skill" or type of outdoor prowess.... to himself, and perhaps to others....

(There are also cash prices for best poker hand - with the Best Hand paying out $5000.00 (at least in the 2004 event).)

http://www.smlba.com/index2.ivnu

[Jenifred]

And I wonder on these adventure races, volleyball, mtn biking, etc., etc., if Raven is in fact TRYING to prove something to himself, as far as his abilities, etc.
So, maybe he's trying to compensate for something.....isn't that called P.Ness envy?

[JerseyGirl]

Just FYI - the Poker Run appears to be an annual fundraising event sponsored by the not-for-profit Smith Mountain Lake Boating Association.So where does the money come from? I assume that maybe there's a registration fee? But is that enough to generate that kind of prize? And who does the money benefit? That boating association?

[SouthEastSleuth]

So where does the money come from? I assume that maybe there's a registration fee? But is that enough to generate that kind of prize? And who does the money benefit? That boating association?My impression from looking at the site is that participants pay a registration fee and there are a good number of corporate sponsors as well. Seems it raises money for the boating association which in turn does many things for the lake itself, as far as upkeep, preservation, etc. Seems like a good fun way to raise some money...I just wonder though, other than a cash prize, if someone like Raven would actually be that benevolent, etc. Although, as I recall, he did list on his blog that one of his interests was philanthropy.... which I always found somewhat amusing I guess... makes me wonder, in a witty way of course - did any of the monies from the embezzled goods end up with any charities? Somehow I doubt that....unless Raven himself is a charity?

[JerseyGirl]

Well, donating stolen money doesn't make it any less stolen. So that wouldn't be very noble even if he did give some of it away.

Anyway, I've found no indication that Raven or any of his friends are into boating. I'm going to assume that he doesn't take part in that poker run. The wakeboarding, however, sounds more like the type of sport his crowd might be into. But I think that that might have been more of an exhibition type thing than an event for which he could have signed up.

[JerseyGirl]

:laugh:

.....isn't that called P.Ness envy?I wonder what the other guys had across their backs? Were their names equally charming and witty? :rolleyes:

[BirdHunter]

:laugh:

I wonder what the other guys had across their backs? Were their names equally charming and witty? :rolleyes:I have always wondered if the front of that shirt said TINY.

[Jenifred]

I have always wondered if the front of that shirt said TINY.
Or "I'm a"

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: I have always wondered if the front of that shirt said TINY.You guys are too funny today. Jen, I'm roflmao at your posts:crazy:

Being serious, you may have something here. He just might be trying to compensate for something tiny in his life! Maybe instead of naming this thread "Where's Raven?", it should be called "Where is it?"

[JerseyGirl]

Raven clearly does have confidence issues. I don't know what those issues stem from but it seems he's always been trying to prove himself. I tend to think that it's because he realizes that his personality is empty except for the occasional temper tantrum. Like I said many, many months ago, buying toy after toy after toy is not only an attempt to soothe his own lack of fulfillment but also an attempt to blind those around him to the fact that he's got nothing to offer. Adding layers of flashy gift wrap to an empty box ...

I could be very wrong on that but I don't think that I'm wrong on the lack of confidence. That much seems crystal clear.

[JerseyGirl]

I think the reality is, whether Raven is a skilled athlete or not, I get the impression that he at least enjoys most outdoor activities, and perhaps surrounding himself with people with similar type interests. It's interesting though, as far as personality, I wonder if Raven is actually intimidated by some of those he's tended to surround himself with - as far as skills, abilities, etc. Certainly by all accounts, Janet was the star soccer player, not Raven. And I wonder on these adventure races, volleyball, mtn biking, etc., etc., if Raven is in fact TRYING to prove something to himself, as far as his abilities, etc.

That said, I think he'd try most anything if he thought it would lead to a certain perception of him as this outdoorsy athletic type.

Boating? Sure, why not. Wakeboarding? Possible, for sure. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to come across references to Raven most anywhere, in relation to him trying desperately to fit in, to be perceived as this uber-athlete, Mr. Outdoors, etc. That said, with all that does on at SML, it seems like the perfect playground - for real athletes, as well as athletic wannabes!
That must be a horrible way to live - constantly struggling to keep up with the big boys just to prove that you're somehow worthy.