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SnootyVixen
11-20-2005, 09:33 PM
One of the puzzle for me is this. Why did Darlie not reach and turn the lock on the door leading to the garage since she was in the room leading into the garage? To make sure that the intruder could not get back in?
I am not sure but I think that is what I would do if I was already follow him that far. What do you think?

j2mirish
11-20-2005, 09:37 PM
One of the puzzle for me is this. Why did Darlie not reach and turn the lock on the door leading to the garage since she was in the room leading into the garage? To make sure that the intruder could not get back in?
I am not sure but I think that is what I would do if I was already follow him that far. What do you think?
:doh: because she was so worried about trying to cover up how she murdered her own 2 precious boys?

Dani_T
11-21-2005, 04:16 AM
One of the puzzle for me is this. Why did Darlie not reach and turn the lock on the door leading to the garage since she was in the room leading into the garage? To make sure that the intruder could not get back in?
I am not sure but I think that is what I would do if I was already follow him that far. What do you think?

Well according to her own claims she didn't go into the room (Utility-room) leading to the garage. She just stood at the doorway.

I don't know honestly if I would have immediately thought to lock it myself (I'd probably be too freaked out). But then again this is the woman who was walking about 6 feet behind the intruder, speaking aloud to her son and turning lights on when he was still within the home so I dont know what that says about her.

Of course, since I believe she did the crime I don't think she had any need to have locked the U-room/garage door.

Desilu
11-21-2005, 11:38 AM
I think it was very sweet though of the intruder to close the door behind him.

Jeana (DP)
11-21-2005, 11:40 AM
I think it was very sweet though of the intruder to close the door behind him.


LOL That intruder was not only sweet as hell, but very very lucky.

Goody
11-23-2005, 11:08 PM
LOL That intruder was not only sweet as hell, but very very lucky.
And rather neat in cleaning up that blood on the kitchen floor that was never used against her. The defense likes to sweep that away but according to the book authors it was a part of the investigation.

Goody
11-23-2005, 11:12 PM
One of the puzzle for me is this. Why did Darlie not reach and turn the lock on the door leading to the garage since she was in the room leading into the garage? To make sure that the intruder could not get back in?
I am not sure but I think that is what I would do if I was already follow him that far. What do you think?\
You bring up a good point. You'd think it would be second nature to twist that lock, but as Dani said, Darlie claimed never to have gone any further than the entrance to the utility room. Of course her blood is all over it and the door, so I don't know how truthful she is being when she says that. I don't know how an intruder drips blood that looks like it came from a bleeding wound if he was not injured, fooling all the experts, but that is apparently what she wants us to believe.

cami
11-24-2005, 09:11 AM
One of the puzzle for me is this. Why did Darlie not reach and turn the lock on the door leading to the garage since she was in the room leading into the garage? To make sure that the intruder could not get back in?
I am not sure but I think that is what I would do if I was already follow him that far. What do you think?

Because there was no intruder to lock out.

Goody
11-25-2005, 01:33 PM
Because there was no intruder to lock out.
And that, my friend, is the best answer yet. :clap:

beesy
11-27-2005, 11:17 AM
Because there was no intruder to lock out. And I quote "keep it simple stupid" by Mary

beesy
11-27-2005, 11:36 AM
I think it was very sweet though of the intruder to close the door behind him. Don't forget his x-ray vision. He was able to find the butcher block two times in a room so dark he couldn't see mounds of jewelry on the counter. He was polite enough to clean up some of the blood.... he was well coordinated, able to maneuver through a dark, junky garage while he was running to get away. He was lithe enough to avoid the light sensors and polite enough to close a jerry-rigged gate. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/22.gif

Goody
11-27-2005, 02:26 PM
Don't forget his x-ray vision. He was able to find the butcher block two times in a room so dark he couldn't see mounds of jewelry on the counter. He was polite enough to clean up some of the blood.... he was well coordinated, able to maneuver through a dark, junky garage while he was running to get away. He was lithe enough to avoid the light sensors and polite enough to close a jerry-rigged gate. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/22.gif (http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/22.gif)
Don't forget his cat eyes....he could see in the dark well enough to take a winding....okay...angled path between boxes and garage sale junk to get to the UR door that, thank the stars in heaven, was left unlocked for him.

Ah, I see you called it x-ray vision. X-ray vision or cat eyes, either one works, I guess. He not only could see in the dark, but he managed to go through that mess in the garage, not once but twice, without knocking anything over.

beesy
11-28-2005, 07:58 AM
Don't forget his cat eyes....he could see in the dark well enough to take a winding....okay...angled path between boxes and garage sale junk to get to the UR door that, thank the stars in heaven, was left unlocked for him.

Ah, I see you called it x-ray vision. X-ray vision or cat eyes, either one works, I guess. He not only could see in the dark, but he managed to go through that mess in the garage, not once but twice, without knocking anything over. Yes, what luck, the door was open for him. If we go with the whole Super Intruder thing, maybe he had heat vision as well which unlocked the door. And remember an escaping killer would be running or trying to run through that garage. What talent

Goody
11-28-2005, 01:00 PM
Yes, what luck, the door was open for him. If we go with the whole Super Intruder thing, maybe he had heat vision as well which unlocked the door. And remember an escaping killer would be running or trying to run through that garage. What talent
Well, you should know with your new business and all. You are now an expert on the super intruder. :croc:

partyuv5
12-15-2005, 04:00 AM
I'm not sure where to put this but on the 911 call, when the dispatched asked Darlie if the front door was unlocked why did she instantly say yes?

beesy
12-15-2005, 07:53 AM
I'm not sure where to put this but on the 911 call, when the dispatched asked Darlie if the front door was unlocked why did she instantly say yes? Darlie wrote in In Her Own Words, that she opened the door to yell for Karen. Who knows if that's true or not though. But that's what she says.

beesy
12-15-2005, 07:55 AM
Well, you should know with your new business and all. You are now an expert on the super intruder. :croc: Ha! Ha! I should have kept that thing. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_22_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN) I didn't save it when I changed siggies.

Goody
12-16-2005, 10:40 PM
I'm not sure where to put this but on the 911 call, when the dispatched asked Darlie if the front door was unlocked why did she instantly say yes?
I missed this. Did she really say "yes?"

Goody
12-16-2005, 10:42 PM
Ha! Ha! I should have kept that thing. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_22_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN) I didn't save it when I changed siggies.
There goes your super intruder rep....straight down the toilet. LIke my father used to say, "Your guarantee ain't worth the powder it would take to blow it up!"

proadvocate
12-27-2005, 02:34 PM
It could also be very possible that she left the door unlocked to aid hubby in his proposed insurance scams.I do not believe Darlie is completely guilty,nor do I believe the scam involved murder.I would be more inclined to believe a cooperative effort by Darlie to score some easy cash off the insurance co.with the intruder going a bit further than they had planned.Under this theory I would also believe that BOTH Darlie and Darin deserve an execution date,along with any future suspects,robberys/scams gone bad do qualify for execution under Tx law.

beesy
12-27-2005, 06:04 PM
It could also be very possible that she left the door unlocked to aid hubby in his proposed insurance scams.I do not believe Darlie is completely guilty,nor do I believe the scam involved murder.I would be more inclined to believe a cooperative effort by Darlie to score some easy cash off the insurance co.with the intruder going a bit further than they had planned.Under this theory I would also believe that BOTH Darlie and Darin deserve an execution date,along with any future suspects,robberys/scams gone bad do qualify for execution under Tx law. I think Snooty was asking why didn't Darlie lock the garage door once the intruder fled through it. I don't know why she even bothered to ask that. Can you imagine yourself watching an intruder/killer run through your back door and not pouncing on it to lock it behind him? Darlie did not lock it for the simple fact that there was no intruder. If an insurance scam went wrong and the guy/s they set up the scam with went nuts, still that back door would have been locked once they left.

beesy
12-27-2005, 06:16 PM
There goes your super intruder rep....straight down the toilet. LIke my father used to say, "Your guarantee ain't worth the powder it would take to blow it up!" http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_15.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ) I didn't guarantee nutin Miss Goody. I only advertised a lay-away plan.

beesy
12-27-2005, 06:22 PM
I missed this. Did she really say "yes?"Yup

04:15:20 911 Operator #1...who's out there ...is anybody out there...

04:16:07 Police Officer...(unintelligible)...

04:17:06 Darlie Routier...I don't know ...I was sleeping..

04:18:14 911 Operator #1...ok ma'am ...listen ...there's a police officer at your front door ...is your front door unlocked..
.
04:22:11 RADIO...(unintelligible)...

04:22:15 Darlie Routier...yes ma'am ...but where's the ambulance...

04:24:21911 Operator #1...ok...

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/evidence/evd-001.php

Goody
12-29-2005, 01:16 PM
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_15.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ) I didn't guarantee nutin Miss Goody. I only advertised a lay-away plan.
I thought your ad implied an guarantee that your super intruder would get the job done right. Did I miss something?

Goody
12-29-2005, 01:18 PM
Yup

04:15:20 911 Operator #1...who's out there ...is anybody out there...

04:16:07 Police Officer...(unintelligible)...

04:17:06 Darlie Routier...I don't know ...I was sleeping..

04:18:14 911 Operator #1...ok ma'am ...listen ...there's a police officer at your front door ...is your front door unlocked..
.
04:22:11 RADIO...(unintelligible)...

04:22:15 Darlie Routier...yes ma'am ...but where's the ambulance...

04:24:21911 Operator #1...ok...

http://www.justicefordarlie.net/evidence/evd-001.php
O, Beesy. You are right. Good find. She does say yes. I am surprised that Toby Shook didn't have a field day with that one.

Jeana (DP)
12-29-2005, 01:24 PM
Goody, I'm looking at that link and unfortunately for Darlie, the up close photograph of her neck wound makes it perfectly clear to see how easily she created these injuries herself. Had they been made by someone taller than her, they would have gone straight across her neck or even in an upward motion. Its pretty easy to see she held the knife to one point on her neck and pulled down.

Dani_T
12-29-2005, 04:45 PM
O, Beesy. You are right. Good find. She does say yes. I am surprised that Toby Shook didn't have a field day with that one.

Don't forget by this stage she has already yelled for Karen (although I know a few ppl dispute that) and so the door WOULD have been unlocked because she had already opened it...

beesy
12-29-2005, 05:17 PM
Don't forget by this stage she has already yelled for Karen (although I know a few ppl dispute that) and so the door WOULD have been unlocked because she had already opened it...Yep, she says "In Her Own Words" that she had already opened the front door to call for Karen. I think she's hollering for Darin though. She's probably telling the truth about opening the front door. So I don't think her saying "yes" right away is telling us anything important.

beesy
12-29-2005, 05:22 PM
O, Beesy. You are right. Good find. She does say yes. I am surprised that Toby Shook didn't have a field day with that one. He should have had a field day with this one because Darlie had already called for "Karen/Darin" by the time the OP asks her about the front door. But this part is telling I think:
02:33:15 911 Operator #1...ma'am...

02:34:06 Darlie Routier...what...

02:38:11 911 Operator #1...is there anybody in the house ...besides you and your children...

02:38:11 Darlie Routier...no ...my husband he just ran downstairs ...he's helping me ...but they're dying ...oh my God ...they're dead...

So how did she know the intruder/s were already gone? She would have no of knowing
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/evidence/evd-001.php

Jeana (DP)
12-29-2005, 05:24 PM
She says "In Her Own Words" that she had already opened the front door to call for Karen. I think she's hollering for Darin. She's probably telling the truth about opening the front door. So I don't think her saying "yes" right away is telling us anything important.


It certainly don't change the fact that she murdered her boys, does it?

beesy
12-29-2005, 05:27 PM
It certainly don't change the fact that she murdered her boys, does it? No, I just meant I don't think that was a slip-up or anything which could implicate her. Nothing will change the fact that Darlie killed those babies

Goody
12-29-2005, 10:06 PM
Don't forget by this stage she has already yelled for Karen (although I know a few ppl dispute that) and so the door WOULD have been unlocked because she had already opened it...
But didn't she deny unlocking it later? I guess it isn't much of a point given the timing but on the call she clearly acknowledges knowing the door was not locked and at trial she backs off of that, doesn't she?

beesy
12-29-2005, 10:15 PM
But didn't she deny unlocking it later? I guess it isn't much of a point given the timing but on the call she clearly acknowledges knowing the door was not locked and at trial she backs off of that, doesn't she? Well, when did she write "In Her Own Words"? Because she says that she opened the door to call for Karen in that, doesn't mention unlocking it, just opening it.

Goody
12-29-2005, 10:20 PM
Well, when did she write "In Her Own Words"? Because she says that she opened the door to call for Karen in that, doesn't mention unlocking it, just opening it.
She wrote that in prison after the trial and her conviction. It is one of her edits, probably the last really big one. Then there is that hypnosis session.

michelle
12-29-2005, 10:29 PM
i have to ask, was darin involved, i mean did he really sleep through all of this and i would think that those boys would have been screaming bloody murder, you think?

Goody
12-29-2005, 10:32 PM
i have to ask, was darin involved, i mean did he really sleep through all of this and i would think that those boys would have been screaming bloody murder, you think?
Darin could have slept thru it. I understand that they tested the sound in the house and that noises from the family room would not carry to the master bedroom with the door closed. The question is DID HE. I don't know. He says he did and they can't prove he didn't.

deanws
12-30-2005, 01:47 AM
i have to ask, was darin involved, i mean did he really sleep through all of this and i would think that those boys would have been screaming bloody murder, you think?I think he is as guilty as she is. Listen to the 911 tape. At one point ...it sounds like she is trying to get Darin to notice something....she keeps calling Devon's name.:confused: IMO...he is involved.

beesy
12-30-2005, 02:25 AM
I think he is as guilty as she is. Listen to the 911 tape. At one point ...it sounds like she is trying to get Darin to notice something....she keeps calling Devon's name.:confused: IMO...he is involved. There's a really spooky part which is not transcribed where she says "Damon, Damon, Damon" under her breath. You know like when your kid is acting up in the store and you're really pissed, but you don't want the rest of the world to know? "Get over here or you are gonna get it" that tone, but just evil. I think she's alerting Darin that Damon is still moving. If this is right, he's obviously very involved. Suppose she was at or near the sink, talking to 911, trying to clean up the blood from her throat when she notices Damon is moving. She grabs the knife or still has it and she stands over him wondering what to do. Can she quietly stab him without the OP hearing her? She's already seen how hard it is to kill them. She knows she can't stab him again and keep control of the phone. Does Darin do it?
Somewhere on this forum Dani T. and cami both have made some changes to the 911 transcript. They both have this spot marked. I hear it too. I nearly threw up the first time. If the above scenerio is correct, we might be hearing that child being killed. I also hear utensils clattering at some point, but I can't ever remember where. Dani T. has some places marked where she and others can hear a sound, but can't tell what it is. It might one of those spots. Listen to the tape while reading cami and Dani T.'s transcripts and tell me if you hear it.

beesy
12-30-2005, 02:30 AM
Any thoughts on my post #29? I think it's a very important slip of the tongue, do you? Was she asked about it in the trial or any other time? I am hearing the OP ask if the intruder has gone when she says "is there anybody else in the house". Is what you think she meant or is she asking if any other family members are there? I think she's asking about the intruder because that's certainly something the cops and medics would want to know before entering that house.

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 09:18 AM
i have to ask, was darin involved, i mean did he really sleep through all of this and i would think that those boys would have been screaming bloody murder, you think?


No, they didn't need to be screaming. I think Darin could sleep through it. The important question is "could DARLIE sleep through it"????? I don't think so, but that's what she's asking everyone to believe.

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 09:20 AM
Any thoughts on my post #29? I think it's a very important slip of the tongue, do you? Was she asked about it in the trial or any other time? I am hearing the OP ask if the intruder has gone when she says "is there anybody else in the house". Is what you think she meant or is she asking if any other family members are there? I think she's asking about the intruder because that's certainly something the cops and medics would want to know before entering that house.


911 Operators ask who is in the house so they can tell the officer on the way who they'll be running into when they get there. I can see Darlie answsering the question from that point of view. Unless I was actually looking at an intruder while on the phone or knew one was in another room, I most likely would have answered the same.

beesy
12-30-2005, 01:02 PM
911 Operators ask who is in the house so they can tell the officer on the way who they'll be running into when they get there. I can see Darlie answsering the question from that point of view. Unless I was actually looking at an intruder while on the phone or knew one was in another room, I most likely would have answered the same. Thanks for your input. So you think the OP was asking if both any other person who belongs in the house is there as well as a possible intruder? If this were a real outside attack, I might panic and misunderstand her, but Darlie was supposed to be setting the stage for a stranger attack. It might be a slip or just another thing Darlie didn't think through.

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 01:56 PM
Thanks for your input. So you think the OP was asking if both any other person who belongs in the house is there as well as a possible intruder? If this were a real outside attack, I might panic and misunderstand her, but Darlie was supposed to setting the stage for a stranger attack. It might be a slip or just another thing Darlie didn't think through.

Its a standard question they ask when something like this happens. They don't want the officers walking into a situation where the homeowner may be in room with a gun. They must know whose in the house before they go in. That way, if someone else approaches them, they'll be prepared. (my parents were LE) ;)

texassnuboots
12-30-2005, 05:26 PM
He should have had a field day with this one because Darlie had already called for "Karen/Darin" by the time the OP asks her about the front door. But this part is telling I think:
02:33:15 911 Operator #1...ma'am...

02:34:06 Darlie Routier...what...

02:38:11 911 Operator #1...is there anybody in the house ...besides you and your children...

02:38:11 Darlie Routier...no ...my husband he just ran downstairs ...he's helping me ...but they're dying ...oh my God ...they're dead...

So how did she know the intruder/s were already gone? She would have no of knowing
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/evidence/evd-001.php I think the first officer was already inside the house when the dispatcher asked Dalrlie if her door was unlocked. He can be heard asking Darlie to get towels for Damon. Also, Darlie could have been answering "yes, mam" to the question asked immediately prior to her answering which the question is listed as unintelligible on the tape. JMO

texassnuboots
12-30-2005, 05:29 PM
I think the first officer was already inside the house when the dispatcher asked Dalrlie if her door was unlocked. He can be heard asking Darlie to get towels for Damon. Also, Darlie could have been answering "yes, mam" to the question asked immediately prior to her answering which the question is listed as unintelligible on the tape.
Oops: I noticed the unintelligible is a radio not the dispatcher. JMO
03:45:19 Police Officer ...look for a rag...
03:46:11 Darlie Routier ...they killed our babies...
03:48:03 Police Officer ...lay down ...ok ...just sit down ...(unintelligible)
03:51:11 911 Operator #1 ...(sounds of typing on computer keyboard)...
03:52:13 Darlie Routier ...no ...he ran out ...uh ...they ran out in the garage ...I was sleeping...
03:54:09 911 Operator #1 ...(unintelligible)...
03:56:19 Darlie Routier ...my babies over here already cut ...can I (unintelligible)... 03:59:29 Darin Routier ...(unintelligible) phone is right there...
04:01:28 Darlie Routier ...(unintelligible)...
04:03:01 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
04:05:02 Darlie Routier ...ya'll look out in the garage ...look out in the garage ...they left a knife laying on...
04:08:21 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
04:09:19 911 Operator #1 ...there's a knife ...don't touch anything...
04:11:18 Darlie Routier ...I already touched it and picked it up...
04:12:05 RADIO ...10-4...
04:15:20 911 Operator #1 ...who's out there ...is anybody out there...
04:16:07 Police Officer ...(unintelligible)...
04:17:06 Darlie Routier ...I don't know ...I was sleeping...
04:18:14 911 Operator #1 ...ok ma'am ...listen ...there's a police officer at your front door ...is your front door unlocked...
04:22:11 RADIO ...(unintelligible)...
04:22:15 Darlie Routier ...yes ma'am ...but where's the ambulance...
04:24:21 911 Operator #1 ...ok...

beesy
12-30-2005, 06:08 PM
Its a standard question they ask when something like this happens. They don't want the officers walking into a situation where the homeowner may be in room with a gun. They must know whose in the house before they go in. That way, if someone else approaches them, they'll be prepared. (my parents were LE) ;) yeah, I know that. That's not really what I was asking. Thank you though

beesy
12-30-2005, 06:13 PM
I think the first officer was already inside the house when the dispatcher asked Dalrlie if her door was unlocked. He can be heard asking Darlie to get towels for Damon. Also, Darlie could have been answering "yes, mam" to the question asked immediately prior to her answering which the question is listed as unintelligible on the tape. JMO Yeah, the OP was referring to the 2nd cop, I always forget if it's Walling or Waddell. One is the 1st and the the other is the 2nd. I think she's saying "yes" about the door. Besides all this, she had already hollered for Karen/Darin by then so she knew the door was open even if neither cop was there yet. Which is why I said I didn't think it meant anything

deanws
12-30-2005, 06:55 PM
There's a really spooky part which is not transcribed where she says "Damon, Damon, Damon" under her breath. You know like when your kid is acting up in the store and you're really pissed, but you don't want the rest of the world to know? "Get over here or you are gonna get it" that tone, but just evil. I think she's alerting Darin that Damon is still moving. If this is right, he's obviously very involved. Suppose she was at or near the sink, talking to 911, trying to clean up the blood from her throat when she notices Damon is moving. She grabs the knife or still has it and she stands over him wondering what to do. Can she quietly stab him without the OP hearing her? She's already seen how hard it is to kill them. She knows she can't stab him again and keep control of the phone. Does Darin do it?
Somewhere on this forum Dani T. and cami both have made some changes to the 911 transcript. They both have this spot marked. I hear it too. I nearly threw up the first time. If the above scenerio is correct, we might be hearing that child being killed. I also hear utensils clattering at some point, but I can't ever remember where. Dani T. has some places marked where she and others can hear a sound, but can't tell what it is. It might one of those spots. Listen to the tape while reading cami and Dani T.'s transcripts and tell me if you hear it.opps...sorry...wrote the wrong name...but I see you think the same thing.

texassnuboots
12-31-2005, 06:00 AM
Don't forget his cat eyes....he could see in the dark well enough to take a winding....okay...angled path between boxes and garage sale junk to get to the UR door that, thank the stars in heaven, was left unlocked for him.

Ah, I see you called it x-ray vision. X-ray vision or cat eyes, either one works, I guess. He not only could see in the dark, but he managed to go through that mess in the garage, not once but twice, without knocking anything over.
Hahahaha. My dad had excellent night vision and called it "moon eyes". Thanks for bringing back a good memory for me.

Jeana (DP)
12-31-2005, 12:37 PM
yeah, I know that. That's not really what I was asking. Thank you though


Make the question clearer then Darlin. I'm not too bright sometimes. :blushing:

beesy
12-31-2005, 01:36 PM
Make the question clearer then Darlin. I'm not too bright sometimes. :blushing: Ha, no it's me. I was trying to ask if that was a slip up on Darlie's part by saying there was no one else in the house but her husband. I wasn't asking why the question was asked. I am more interested in Darlie's response. Actually I think you answered it maybe. See? It is me. Remember my brain is vacation.. ha

Jeana (DP)
12-31-2005, 02:24 PM
Ha, no it's me. I was trying to ask if that was a slip up on Darlie's part by saying there was no one else in the house but her husband. I wasn't asking why the question was asked. I am more interested in Darlie's response. Actually I think you answered it maybe. See? It is me. Remember my brain is vacation.. ha

LOL We're a good pair then! It could have been a slip, but don't forget by this time, she claims the dude(s) left through the garage, so I think its still a non-issue. ;)