Rumor has it.....

[SouthEastSleuth]

So, living in the area of where Janet was murdered, one occasionally hears things via the local rumor mill, gossip, etc. Over the weekend, someone told me that they had heard, from a very reputable source, that Raven has NEVER, EVER contacted Durham Police to discuss Janet's murder, the on-going investigation, etc. NOT EVEN ONCE.

Again, this is rumor. But wow. If true, what does THAT say?????

[JerseyGirl]

But didn't we hear someone claiming that Raven's been calling them repeatedly, and even cursing them out for not moving more quickly? Of course, that story would have come from Raven and that's probably not a very reputable source. :rolleyes:

[terminatrixator]

This doesn't surprise me in the least, I mean come on, this is a guy that states, Janet's hurt, then Janet was shot, Janet was Warm, Janet was Cold, Janet committed suicide, Janet died.

Does anyone honestly believe that a sociopath such as The Raven would have the (can I say **lls) to contact LE and actually have the decency to follow-up on Janet Marie Christiansen's Murder, even if he was married to her? The guy murdered his wife, he's going to stay as far away from LE as he possibly can.

We are talking about a guy that lives his life for himself. I hope that nobody is surprised by this, which is probably a complete fact and not a rumor.

I'm sure he's telling his Mummy and his family and friends he contacts LE every day or once a week, but if any one of them had a brain or WANTED to know the TRUTH, they could VERY WELL contact LE themselves, and check it out and see if the Bird is actually telling them the truth.

How many times do you think his Mother, siblings, friends or family caught Raven in a lie? I venture thousands of times. Why would they be so stupid to believe that Raven does contact LE? They don't want to face the fact their is a murderer in their midst, I would guess, and I would probably be right.

The Raven, you and your ilk make me sick.

[JerseyGirl]

This doesn't surprise me in the least, I mean come on, this is a guy that states, Janet's hurt, then Janet was shot, Janet was Warm, Janet was Cold, Janet committed suicide, Janet died.And as I've said before, this is probably why Raven doesn't speak up. The very small handful of times that he has, he's contradicted himself repeatedly. I can't even imagine how quickly he might have been arrested had he actually spoken out like Scott Peterson did. Raven's smart enough to know that the easiest way for him to avoid being caught in his lies is to simply say nothing, at least not publicly. Could it be that his "private" statements are starting to catch up with him?

In any case, if Raven has never called LE, when's the last time they've even spoken with him? Do they reach out to him? Or have they not spoken to him since questioning him months ago?

[SouthEastSleuth]

In any case, if Raven has never called LE, when's the last time they've even spoken with him? Do they reach out to him? Or have they not spoken to him since questioning him months ago?
Seems like I recall "rememberjanet" posting that s/he had heard a rumor that Raven had been asked to come in and give a DNA sample several months ago. I don't think that was ever confirmed, etc.

[JerseyGirl]

So even if he went in for DNA testing, it may have been several months at this point since LE and Raven have spoken? Is it just me? :waitasec:

[SouthEastSleuth]

And the reality is, and I know we've talked about this in the past, IF Raven has not contacted LE, what does that say -

does he not care about the case?
does he not care who murdered his wife?
does he not worry about his safety and that of his son if a murderer is walking freely?

Ok, so perhaps his attorney has advised him to remain silent!?!?! But even then, what does THAT say??????????

[terminatrixator]

He lies, denies, cheats, steals, snivels, does his soccerbiking, doesn't follow-up with LE about his wife's murder........I'm not a rocket scientist, but to me it equals GUILT and I can't wait until I hear those words - Guilty of First Degree Murder.

I can hear the slamming of the doors and locking of the prison gates!

[golfmom]

I also have heard from multiple sources that Raven has NEVER contacted LE.

Another source has indeed told me that he's spouting off about LE basically being the keystone kops and that he's griped them out.

[Jenifred]

But didn't we hear someone claiming that Raven's been calling them repeatedly, and even cursing them out for not moving more quickly? Of course, that story would have come from Raven and that's probably not a very reputable source. :rolleyes:
Was he calling them repeatedly to find out what's been going on with Janet or to try and get some money out of them for his ruined Durango? I've heard that was cut up in the search.

[JustJax]

Well I remember seeing that video clip of the Bird exiting the courthouse with his attourney, looking like a deer caught in the headlights in front of the camera.

Maybe his acting skills aren't up to the Scott Peterson level, and he is afraid he won't be believable when talking to LE....they may be good enough to halfway fool family, and or friends, but NOT LE.

[Moxie]

So, living in the area of where Janet was murdered, one occasionally hears things via the local rumor mill, gossip, etc. Over the weekend, someone told me that they had heard, from a very reputable source, that Raven has NEVER, EVER contacted Durham Police to discuss Janet's murder, the on-going investigation, etc. NOT EVEN ONCE.

Again, this is rumor. But wow. If true, what does THAT say?????
Wow. It says to me Raven is a LIAR.

A LIAR and A MURDERER.

I hope LE is watching him closely. I think he'll run. Isn't his dad a wilderness instructor or something? I remember Raven bragging about his dad and that his dad would approve of his new buck knife. If his dad is a wilderness instructor, couldn't he coach Raven on how to survive on the run?

[ewwwinteresting]

Well I remember seeing that video clip of the Bird exiting the courthouse with his attourney, looking like a deer caught in the headlights in front of the camera.

Maybe his acting skills aren't up to the Scott Peterson level, and he is afraid he won't be believable when talking to LE....they may be good enough to halfway fool family, and or friends, but NOT LE.
I remember seeing that too. It was almost as if raven wanted to talk but his attorney tugged on him and raven immediately shut up. I am speechless about raven not calling LE! Here I was assuming that LE was telling him to be quiet and that is why he wasn't talking...but it appears that this isn't the case. If he isn't calling daily or every other day, to me, he simply doesn't care about this case.

[terminatrixator]

What's the deal The Raven, I bet you tell your friends and your family that you contact LE all the time.

I bet the truth is too scary, to actuallly think that you have a possible murderer for a son, a brother, a nephew, a cousin, a boyfriend, a lover or a friend, a co-worker.

It's time for the FRIENDS and the FAMILY to contact LE and FIND OUT THE TRUTH - if you cared whatsoever about Janet Marie or care about Kaiden. Find out the truth.

When you sit across from him ask him, how many times he has contacted LE. Then call and find out for yourself!

[snapple]

What's the deal The Raven, I bet you tell your friends and your family that you contact LE all the time.

I bet the truth is too scary, to actuallly think that you have a possible murderer for a son, a brother, a nephew, a cousin, a boyfriend, a lover or a friend, a co-worker.

It's time for the FRIENDS and the FAMILY to contact LE and FIND OUT THE TRUTH - if you cared whatsoever about Janet Marie or care about Kaiden. Find out the truth.

When you sit across from him ask him, how many times he has contacted LE. Then call and find out for yourself!That would be telling...to find out raven hasn't made contact with LE. That info would put a HUGE scarlett "G" on his chest! Could family or friends get that kind of info out of LE?

[L L & S]

That would be telling...to find out raven hasn't made contact with LE. That info would put a HUGE scarlett "G" on his chest! Could family or friends get that kind of info out of LE? If my sons wife was murdered you bet your bottom dollar I would have an ONGOING relationship with the detectives on the case. My grandchild's mother would deserve that much.

If this rumor is true I don't know how this scumbag looks at himself in the mirror and I don't know how the rest of the family can hold their heads up in public.

HOW DO YOU NOT KEEP IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR THE PERSON THAT KILLED YOUR WIFE AND BABY.
HOW COLD BLOODED DO YOU HAVE TO BE RAVEN? AND THAT GOES FOR THE REST OF THE ABAROA CLAN TOO. SOMEONE PLEASE TELL US THIS ISN'T TRUE. KARYN, SHILO, THE REST OF YOU PEOPLE... WE ALL KNOW YOU READ HERE... I PRAY TO GOD THIS RUMOR IS NOT TRUE. ONE OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO CARE ENOUGH ABOUT KAIDEN THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CATCH THE PERSON THAT KILLED HIS MOTHER AND BABY SISTER/BROTHER. THAT YOU WOULD AT THE VERY LEAST BE CALLING AND ENCOURAGING THE DETECTIVES TO KEEP DIGGING, KEEP LOOKING. THIS MAKES ME SICK.

Sorry about the caps attack, I got a little upset. I can not believe that a small group of total strangers care more about justice for this woman and her child than her husband and his family does. I pray that this family is really not this screwed up. I pray for Kaiden's sake.

[terminatrixator]

You just have to read Shiloh's blog to figure out how screwed up she is. Derrek - yeah he snuck into Cuba...sneaking into Cuba isn't hard, it's sneaking out that's the total problem. Was he just blowing smoke up people's butt or was this true?

Kayrn, we heard all about her and her wicked ways. The rotten apples doesn't fall too far from the rotten tree and I wouldn't be too surprised if someday we learned she had something to do with helping The Raven in his other screwed up schemes or trying to cover-up for them at least.

I'm hoping the rest of the siblings, Raven's real dad, and his step-father have faired better in the moral/ethical department as I would suppose that could keep the family a bit more grounded.

Raven has talked about his real father in scathing terms as had Shiloh, so hopefully the Dad and the step-father and other siblings are more ethical and morally grounded than the rest of them.

[Moxie]

If my sons wife was murdered you bet your bottom dollar I would have an ONGOING relationship with the detectives on the case. My grandchild's mother would deserve that much.

If this rumor is true I don't know how this scumbag looks at himself in the mirror and I don't know how the rest of the family can hold their heads up in public.

HOW DO YOU NOT KEEP IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR THE PERSON THAT KILLED YOUR WIFE AND BABY.
HOW COLD BLOODED DO YOU HAVE TO BE RAVEN? AND THAT GOES FOR THE REST OF THE ABAROA CLAN TOO. SOMEONE PLEASE TELL US THIS ISN'T TRUE. KARYN, SHILO, THE REST OF YOU PEOPLE... WE ALL KNOW YOU READ HERE... I PRAY TO GOD THIS RUMOR IS NOT TRUE. ONE OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO CARE ENOUGH ABOUT KAIDEN THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CATCH THE PERSON THAT KILLED HIS MOTHER AND BABY SISTER/BROTHER. THAT YOU WOULD AT THE VERY LEAST BE CALLING AND ENCOURAGING THE DETECTIVES TO KEEP DIGGING, KEEP LOOKING. THIS MAKES ME SICK.

Sorry about the caps attack, I got a little upset. I can not believe that a small group of total strangers care more about justice for this woman and her child than her husband and his family does. I pray that this family is really not this screwed up. I pray for Kaiden's sake.


Also, even if Raven isn't calling, why aren't Raven's family members calling? If I were them, I'd want to know what was going on and why the silence. Of course, I'm sure Raven is lying to them, leading them to believe he is calling constantly for updates with LE.

[Jenifred]

Also, even if Raven isn't calling, why aren't Raven's family members calling? If I were them, I'd want to know what was going on and why the silence. Of course, I'm sure Raven is lying to them, leading them to believe he is calling constantly for updates with LE.Come on, you gotta know that they aren't going to be calling either--ignorance is bliss, remember? And also remember that right now, if they are going to help him flee they can still use an ignorance plea to their best ability. "I didn't know he was guilty, he told us he didn't do it!":liar:

[terminatrixator]

Yeah, you remember Scotty drove how many miles wasn't it way over 100 miles to go golfing with his father. The police chased him forever, as he pulls in to golf, and he's got his orange hair, goatee, camping gear, water purifier, knives, shovel, dress shoes, all his clothing, 9 viagras.

Wonder if Raven runs he'll grab a bottle of Viagra, I'm sure he can get it.

[JerseyGirl]

If he isn't calling daily or every other day, to me, he simply doesn't care about this case.Or simply wants it to go away.

Imagine what might have been accomplished by now if Raven had spent as much time on his wife's case as many others have. The bottom line is that there is no reason except for one why Raven wouldn't want to help find his wife's killer. It doesn't even require speaking publicly. He could have been calling LE behind the scenes all of this time if he had issues about speaking to the media. If he hasn't been, then it can only mean one thing. That he does, indeed, want this case to just disappear and doesn't want to or need to help find the killer because he's been walking in his shoes for 7 months.

[terminatrixator]

That would be telling...to find out raven hasn't made contact with LE. That info would put a HUGE scarlett "G" on his chest! Could family or friends get that kind of info out of LE?
You are so right Snapple, nice to see you around. A huge "G" indeed.

There's only way way for the family to find out however, and that's for them to call and leave a message with the Detective on the case, which if I am not mistaken is Detective Vaughn. I would imagine if he was contacted by a family member and they left a way for him to contact them back, he would get back in touch with them, but that's just pure speculation on my part. 1-919-560-4440 for criminal investigations. Per Durham, PD's website!

Per friends that work in LE, usually only 911 calls are traced, and regular LE lines are not traced and some may or may not have caller ID. A few of my friends that work in LE in other states, do not have caller ID, who knows if Durham LE does, so normally leaving a call back number is a good idea.

Durham LE also has a Crime Stoppers hotline, for anyone to leave an anonymous tip. That number would be 1-919-683-1200.

How Big are the Rewards? It is estimated that the average CrimeStoppers reward is $200. Rewards range from a low of $100 to a high of $1,200. The amount of the reward is based on the seriousness of the crime and the amount and type of information provided by the caller.
(http://www.durhampolice.com/crimestoppers/#top) Who Do I Call? Call 683-1200 to provide the confidential information necessary for the arrest of the person(s) who committed the reported crime. Remember, all information is confidential and the caller always remains anonymous.

[snapple]

That's good info! Maybe if raven's family won't help LE out of good conscience, they'll turn on him for $$$.

[terminatrixator]

Oh Snap to Snapple again - you made me spew my water on my monitor lol.

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: That's good info! Maybe if raven's family won't help LE out of good conscience, they'll turn on him for $$$.
I'm spewing with you Term!

[terminatrixator]

Rumor has it, that Raven's brother Derek and his band 0'Discordia is going to be traveling throughout the United States, Canada and even a jaunt into Mexico throughout January and the beginning of February. Wonder if Raven may decide to become a Roadie, since he really isn't working much.

[Moxie]

Rumor has it, that Raven's brother Derek and his band 0'Discordia is going to be traveling throughout the United States, Canada and even a jaunt into Mexico throughout January and the beginning of February. Wonder if Raven may decide to become a Roadie, since he really isn't working much.

Hmmm.... Interesting... Well, I wouldn't put it past him! Maybe we can see him on tour.

O'Discordia and the Convicted Felon, Live, In Concert!!

[Jenifred]

Let's think, where will Kaiden be in all of this? What a selfish scum!!

I wonder if he's starting to resent Kaiden for tying him down. Oh, dang, I forgot, Raven's got his dearest mommy to help out.

[terminatrixator]

Well the first week of January they will be near me, I suppose I could pop in and hear them play while wearing my "The Raven is Guilty" sweatshirt. They hit Durham, NC January 28, 2005 supposedly as per the myspace blog, I'm sure that's one place The Raven doesn't want to go. :bang:

[Moxie]

Well the first week of January they will be near me, I suppose I could pop in and hear them play while wearing my "The Raven is Guilty" sweatshirt. They hit Durham, NC January 28, 2005 supposedly as per the myspace blog, I'm sure that's one place The Raven doesn't want to go. :bang:
I can't understand why Raven wouldn't want to stop over in Durham. I mean, he has been in touch non-stop with LE there concerning the grisly murder of his wife.

I'm sure by now, with all his constant communication with LE, he would love to see them. I'm confident they feel bad for Raven, and would offer him more updates and sympathy. With all the time that has passed, and all his meetings and conversations with LE, I'm sure there is a strong comfort level between him and the dectectives. Almost like friends, except for the unfortunate circumstances. Maybe he could even meet them out for lunch or coffee and they could catch up.

No, I see no reason for him to avoid stopping off in Durham.

[Thinkoflaura]

I hope very much that Janet's family, her sisters and her parents, are talking to LE. It''s almost impossible for me to imagine that they aren't.

I hope they are also doing just like the Brown family did about Nicole and O.J.'s 2 children. I hope they are trying very hard to see Kaiden, to stay in touch, to ALWAYS be a reminder of Janet to Raven and his rotten family, and to seek visitation rights with Kaiden through the legal system.

Just think, the same people who raised Raven to be what he is stand a very good chance of raising Kaiden too unless LE builds a prosecutable case against him. The overwhelming majority of people who have voted about who they think the perp is chose Raven.
We can be convinced of his involvement in Janet's murder for the rest of our lives, but unless LE builds a solid evidentiary case and a good prosecutor can present a solid case against him, Raven will fly free and Kaiden will be the ultimate victim many times over.

Kaiden, I am praying for you, little man. I'm so glad you are still too young to ever remember any of this life you are now probably living.

To the Christensen family: Please find the strength and courage to stay the course and keep speaking to the detectives in charge of Janet's case. Please don't give into passivity. Passivity is NOT the same thing as kindness and forgiveness. Please remember: If Raven could kill your daughter and sister, his beautiful, faithful wife and mother to his child and their unborn baby, chances are he will harm the next woman in his life too. You can make a difference. You can break the chain of evil which binds.

[ewwwinteresting]

I don't think anything is going to change in raven's life unless someone rattles it. Right now, apparently, he doesn't hear from LE, there is no media hounding him (like in NC), and Janet's memory and her family are clear across the country. Why would he do anything different then "move on" with his life? He will continue to be the same selfish person he always was but now is able to throw the "poor me, I'm a widower" into the pot.
I don't see raven doing anything different then bike riding, playing soccer, adventure racing, playing volleyball, etc., living off mommy and daddy, pawning off Kaiden on whoever will take him (unless it's convenient for him to be the single dad) and forgetting entirely about April 26, 2005.

[JerseyGirl]

Why would you not call LE on a regular basis; if not for you, then for your little boy (whom you claim to love) that will never know his mommy or his brother/sister? I just can't get past this. Don't you feel angry that someone took Janet and your new baby from you and Kaiden? Aren't you angry to the core that someone stole your baby's mommy from him? Don't you feel scared that such a random, senseless thing could happen? I don't know if I could ever get myself to leave my child's side after such a horrendous crime. And certainly not before the perp is caught. And for a week-long getaway? Not a chance! Life could not go on, knowing that some monster stole my life from me and my child, and that the animal was still roaming free. Look how different things are now. Doesn't that upset you?

8 months later and you've never called LE??? What could have happened with this case if you had paid it as much attention as all of us have? Perhaps you could have provided invaluable information that may have helped solve the case by now. Yet not even one phone call? In 8 months?

[terminatrixator]

Why would you not call LE on a regular basis; if not for you, then for your little boy (whom you claim to love) that will never know his mommy or his brother/sister? I just can't get past this. Don't you feel angry that someone took Janet and your new baby from you and Kaiden? Aren't you angry to the core that someone stole your baby's mommy from him? Don't you feel scared that such a random, senseless thing could happen? I don't know if I could ever get myself to leave my child's side after such a horrendous crime. And certainly not before the perp is caught. And for a week-long getaway? Not a chance! Life could not go on, knowing that some monster stole my life from me and my child, and that the animal was still roaming free. Look how different things are now. Doesn't that upset you?

8 months later and you've never called LE??? What could have happened with this case if you had paid it as much attention as all of us have? Perhaps you could have provided invaluable information that may have helped solve the case by now. Yet not even one phone call? In 8 months?
JG, The Raven sees the perpetrator every single day, in the Mirror.

[JerseyGirl]

JG, The Raven sees the perpetrator every single day, in the Mirror.That sounds like the only reasonable explanation for why someone whose life was turned upside down wouldn't be ringing the phone off the hook at the police department. But I do like to try to give the benefit of the doubt. Still, if this is a fact, then it's yet another one that's amazingly difficult to see past.