View Full Version : Found Deceased TX - Rosa Sandoval, 12, San Antonio, 28 May 2004
Doyle
06-04-2004, 05:02 AM
There's new information in the search for a missing San Antonio girl. The FBI is now helping in the search for 12-year-old Rosa Sandoval.
News 4 WOAI has learned investigators brought the girl's family to police headquarters Thursday to officially take a formal statement. Thursday afternoon, police detectives also went door to door in the missing girl's neighborhood. It's a search the FBI has now joined, along with the police sex crimes unit.
"We'll bring them into the investigation so they can assist in case there's something more than just a simple run away or a case that's more innocent than somebody being abducted," said SAPD Sgt. Gabe Trevino. "If, in fact, we find the worst case scenario that somebody was abducted, we already have them on board."
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=44C79C97-C2BB-492F-9FBD-8FDE54F5C69A
Doyle
06-09-2004, 05:26 AM
The FBI offered a $50,000 reward Tuesday for information that leads to the discovery of a missing 12-year-old girl.
The reward is in addition to a $5,000 reward Crime Stoppers is offering in the case of Rosa Sandoval (pictured, left), who was last seen walking to Sky Harbor Elementary on May 30.
http://www.ksat.com/news/3396211/detail.html
Amore68
06-09-2004, 09:55 PM
May 30 was a Sunday this year. Why would she be going to school on a Sunday?
Ghostwheel
06-09-2004, 10:06 PM
That doesn't make sense. A 12 year old doesn't go to elementary school, unless she failed a grade and the school goes to 6th grade.
On a Sunday, she may have been going to meet a friend, or hang out, or climb on the rooftops (like I used to to while hanging out with my friends, at that age).
That whole report is weird. The Friday she should have disappeared would have been the 28th.
RCOOKE
06-10-2004, 07:53 AM
I'm glad to see LE is finally working this case. At first they told the family there was a 72 hour waiting period Texas Law. To my knowledge, no states have such a law. Sometimes it's an individual police department's policy, but it's not a law.
Doyle
06-11-2004, 05:18 AM
In a news conference Thursday, San Antonio Police said Rosa Sandoval has been missing since about 11:30 p.m. May 27.
Previous reports indicated she was last seen on her way to school the morning of May 28.
The new development was brought to the attention of SAPD Thursday morning.
Asst. Police Chief Tyrone Powers said Sandoval's older sister told FBI investigators she and Sandoval had a fight over a glass of tea on the night of May 27.
Rosa Sandoval has been missing longer than investigators believed.
She also told investigators she went into the room the two shared after 11 p.m. and the 12-year-old was not there.
http://news9sanantonio.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=12293
Doyle
06-28-2004, 05:45 AM
It's been four weeks since a San Antonio girl disappeared; now there are new developments in the Rosa Sandoval case.
It's not certain why, but the 12-year old's family cancelled candlelight vigil last night.
Friends anticipating Sandoval's vigil hoped they could show the family their support.
"We are all just wondering what is going on and we're just here to you know, let them know, we're here, you know, we feel bad for everything that has happened," said friend Maria Hernandez
http://news9sanantonio.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=12935
Love_Mama
06-28-2004, 09:39 AM
OM goodness.........there are some strange thing's going on in this case. LE now going through her house...........parent's stay at Hotel, she and sister had a fight, seem's like they now may think family is involved. I'm going to follow this one.........something hinky going on!
xxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooo
Prayer's for this little girl!
mama
blueclouds
07-05-2004, 01:55 AM
Possible blood spatters in her bedroom, OMG. sounds possibly like her sister.... OMG
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=43ECDA71-B32D-4A7F-AF34-20AEE18F1B33
Sneaky
07-12-2004, 04:26 PM
I've been following this case since I first found out about Rosa Sandoval missing, and every new information added doesn't sound good at all. It gave chills when I was reading it. I pray for Rosa Sandoval that hopefully she's still alive and safe. But if she were alive why wouldn't she call home. An arguement over tea sounds silly for her to even run-away. Sandoval is my aunt's niece and at first she was very upset, because she thought someone had abducted her but with all these things coming out. She doesn't know what to expect.
I only know the new information from the internet media.
My prayers are with her.
Sneaky
WasBlind
07-12-2004, 08:03 PM
Thank you for posting, Sneaky
If the family needs anything, please have them contact myself or Kelly Jolkowski, mother of missing Jason of Nebraska, at the e-mails provided in my signature. We network missing persons cases world wide, for FREE.
My prayers are for Rosa, she is a beautiful girl.
With love and HOPE, Lanie
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txsvicki
07-13-2004, 03:44 AM
That doesn't make sense. A 12 year old doesn't go to elementary school, unless she failed a grade and the school goes to 6th grade.
On a Sunday, she may have been going to meet a friend, or hang out, or climb on the rooftops (like I used to to while hanging out with my friends, at that age).
That whole report is weird. The Friday she should have disappeared would have been the 28th.
In Texas junior high is grade 7-9. If a child's birthday fell wrong such as after September 1st that child would be in 6th grade elementary school at age 12.
Love_Mama
07-13-2004, 09:52 AM
I've been following this case since I first found out about Rosa Sandoval missing, and every new information added doesn't sound good at all. It gave chills when I was reading it. I pray for Rosa Sandoval that hopefully she's still alive and safe. But if she were alive why wouldn't she call home. An arguement over tea sounds silly for her to even run-away. Sandoval is my aunt's niece and at first she was very upset, because she thought someone had abducted her but with all these things coming out. She doesn't know what to expect.
I only know the new information from the internet media.
My prayers are with her.
Sneaky
Sneaky.......your Aunt must be scared to death of what may have happened to Rosa. I noticed that LE took the computer........and possibly think she may have met someone online but now that they think they've looking at what they think are bloodstain's in the bed I don't know what to think at all.
My oldest grandson is twelve too.......and only last year someone tried to
grab him in an alley but luckily he was with another boy and they got away when some older kids' heard them screaming. I know lot's of 12 yr old girls......and they do love to go into chat rooms on the computer. They are alot more sophisticated than most people want to think. When my grandson is with me I'm very carefully what he does on the computer........but practically every house in America has a computer today and I can't be with him all the time.
I'm already praying for this little girl but there's also prayer for your Aunt too!
xxxxxxxxxxxoooooo
mama
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Juliana
07-13-2004, 10:13 AM
In Texas junior high is grade 7-9. If a child's birthday fell wrong such as after September 1st that child would be in 6th grade elementary school at age 12.
FYI, it must vary from district to district. The district we live in in the DFW area (in Texas) has 6th - 8th grades in junior high. The district right next to us has 7th - 9th grades in junior high, like you said. Just FYI.
txsvicki
07-13-2004, 01:54 PM
I didn't know it had changed. It's still the same in my area and elementary used to be 1-6 when I lived in DFW area quite a few years ago. That's where I went to school before moving to West Texas. Another thing I wonder about is if an elementary school would let a child have access to the internet chat rooms. I hope not.
Love_Mama
07-16-2004, 12:38 PM
I didn't know it had changed. It's still the same in my area and elementary used to be 1-6 when I lived in DFW area quite a few years ago. That's where I went to school before moving to West Texas. Another thing I wonder about is if an elementary school would let a child have access to the internet chat rooms. I hope not.
I don't think Txsvicki that the elementary school's allow that but it seem's everyone has a computer at home. My 12 yr. old grandson is whiz at computers.......I gotta keep a sharp eye on him!
xxxxxxxooooooooo
mama
Doyle
07-21-2004, 05:35 AM
Teresa Sandoval wants to set the record straight about the disappearance of her 12-year-old daughter Rosa -- her family has nothing to do with it.
In an interview Monday with KSAT 12 News, Sandoval said she is upset with the way police are investigating the case.
Sandoval said police wasted time when they served a search warrant at her home in early July and hauled away the family's car.
http://www.ksat.com/news/3555955/detail.html
ShowerSinger
01-25-2005, 07:29 PM
Someone will have an answer, albeit a sad ending.
www.ksat.com/news/4117031/detail.html
Someone will have an answer, albeit a sad ending.
www.ksat.com/news/4117031/detail.html
Is that anywhere near where Rachel Cooke disappeared? TIA
I'm so sad that another family has to through this.
WasBlind
01-25-2005, 10:18 PM
KSAT (http://www.ksat.com/news/4117031/detail.html)
The article states...
There are currently three high-profile cases of missing females from Bexar County.
Marisol Hernandez, a mother of three, has been missing since Jan. 2004. Her Ford Mustang was discovered in a parking lot at Commerce Street and General McMullen. Her boyfriend was once considered a suspect but was later cleared by police.
In May 2004, Rosa Sandoval, 12, disappeared following an argument with her sister. Police have followed up on hundreds of leads but there is still no sign of Sandoval.
Authorities are also trying to find 21-year-old Lucero Sarabia, who failed to return home following a Thanksgiving party. Friends said a man at the party offered her a ride home, but he has never been located.
Prayers for all three families, Lanie
WasBlind
01-25-2005, 10:27 PM
The article (http://www.ksat.com/news/4117031/detail.html) states...
Law enforcement authorities targeted the area after a skull was found near there Dec. 10.
The remains will be sent to a lab, possibly in Dallas, for identification. It could take up to three months for the process to be completed.
There are currently three high-profile cases of missing females from Bexar County.
Marisol Hernandez (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4239) , a mother of three, has been missing since Jan. 2004. Her Ford Mustang was discovered in a parking lot at Commerce Street and General McMullen. Her boyfriend was once considered a suspect but was later cleared by police.
In May 2004, Rosa Sandoval (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8222) , 12, disappeared following an argument with her sister. Police have followed up on hundreds of leads but there is still no sign of Sandoval.
Authorities are also trying to find 21-year-old Lucero Sarabia (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16879) , who failed to return home following a Thanksgiving party. Friends said a man at the party offered her a ride home, but he has never been located.
Prayers for all three families, Lanie
WasBlind
01-25-2005, 10:30 PM
Is that anywhere near where Rachel Cooke disappeared? TIA
I'm so sad that another family has to through this.
No ma'am, it isn't.
Three families will now have to wait.
I have to wonder if the skull found was from the same remains, and if so, why hasn't there been a simple dental match done by now?
Seems cruel to make any family wait for 3 months for testing.
Dental is so fast, if the records are readily available.
Prayers for all involved, Lanie
Cypros
01-25-2005, 11:55 PM
I don't get it. How can they state that the skeletal remains found belong to a "high profile" missing persons case when they haven't even identified whose remains they are? I realize that there is a good chance that they belong to one of the three women, but, in reality, it could be anyone. I hope they expedite the identification process so that at least one family can experience a sense of closure.
WasBlind
01-26-2005, 12:26 AM
I don't get it. How can they state that the skeletal remains found belong to a "high profile" missing persons case when they haven't even identified whose remains they are? I realize that there is a good chance that they belong to one of the three women, but, in reality, it could be anyone. I hope they expedite the identification process so that at least one family can experience a sense of closure.
I personally believe they already suspect who the body belongs to, because they probably have a dental match (from the skull found in December).
Since they cannot say for certain, to say it is the body of the one whose skull was found, when it may not be, would be careless. In reality, it could be two matches. That would be rare, but stranger things have happened.
Sadly, there is no closure after something like this happens, Cypros. The person that comes to mind is Magi Bish, Molly's (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6820) mother. She has made some profound statements about the missing since Molly was taken, and continues to do so. Nothing is ever closed in a person's life once this tragedy has touched them. The word is a media spin, and sadly has now been picked up by many. As a victim of crime, I can tell you there is no such thing. We seek answers, and justice.
Bless you for caring for the missing, Cypros! I find your posts so enlightening.
Praying for answers, and soon.
With love and HOPE, Lanie
No ma'am, it isn't.
Three families will now have to wait.
I have to wonder if the skull found was from the same remains, and if so, why hasn't there been a simple dental match done by now?
Seems cruel to make any family wait for 3 months for testing.
Dental is so fast, if the records are readily available.
Prayers for all involved, Lanie
Thanks Lanie. It does seem cruel to make these poor families wait.
tuppence
01-26-2005, 09:20 AM
I would think they would know very quickly if it were the 12 year old vs an older person's skull.
carolina
01-26-2005, 11:17 AM
i mean, can't they release the identity of just the skull so that person's family does know instead of unnecessarily waiting?
if it turns out that for some reason the other reamins do not belong to the skull they could just announce that later!
PrayersForMaura
01-26-2005, 12:24 PM
I have a question and it's kind of morbid but I honestly have no clue.
How long does it take for a head to be simply a skull upon decomposition?
I would thik it would take longer than 2 months, but I dont know. What I mean by this is if it takes longer than 2 months, then the remains may not be that of Lucero, who was missing since Thanksgiving.
Either way, this discovery is so sad for all tree families involved because they have to wait and pray that it's not their family member.
All of these abductions and murders in our country areforms of tyranny and terrorism to me... I think our government needs to do a lot more within our own country to control this violence. Our annual murder rate is so high. It's probably the highest of any free country in the world.
Violence and homicide need to be stopped.
What is the government doing for these victims' families and what is being done to prevent more of these horrible situations?
real eyes
01-26-2005, 01:48 PM
I agree that they more than likely know who it is, but it is interesting that they list it "high profile".
Rachel Cooke was missing from Georgetown, which is a little over 100 miles away. I think that it is possible that it *could* be her. I know that more then likely it is not, but I don't think that with the information that was provided that we (not LE) can rule her out either. Especially with what that dirt bag did with Megan Holden, that was over 100 miles.
I don't get that the skull was found on Dec 10th? Are these in the same general area? How close were they found? Why were these just found now, I would think that they searched on Dec 10th for more clues or parts? AND they still don't know who the skull belonged to? Why not?
RCOOKE
01-26-2005, 06:02 PM
I gave this information to our sheriff's office. From the article, it sounds like the body had only been there a few months.
Robert
Thanks Robert for the update.
Richard
01-27-2005, 04:21 PM
I have a question and it's kind of morbid but I honestly have no clue.
How long does it take for a head to be simply a skull upon decomposition?
I would thik it would take longer than 2 months, but I dont know. What I mean by this is if it takes longer than 2 months, then the remains may not be that of Lucero, who was missing since Thanksgiving....
The answer would depend in large part on the conditions under which the skull was stored or subjected to. Colder weather would delay decomposition. In hot, humid climate, a body exposed to the elements can decompose in a matter of a week or two. In very dry climate and in sheltered area, a body might be well preserved for months or even years.
Following the Battle of Gettysburg, it was decided to disinter all Union Soldiers from their battlefield graves and bury them in the new US cemetery there. Samuel Weaver was a doctor who supervised all those removals and reburials, which took place over the course of about a year. He made a very thorough report, detailing where every body was found, how it was identified, what personal effects were with the body, and even the condition of the body in some instances.
The type of soil, depth of burial, and other factors - such as previous nutrition of the soldier - seemed to Affect the state of preservation or decomposition. Those buried in loose sandy soil were almost completely skeletonized, while some buried in clay were pretty much intact and even recognizable. Union soldiers who were well fed, seemed to decay more quickly than Confederates who had not eaten as well.
meggilyweggily
02-03-2005, 04:45 AM
On the face of it, it is cruel to make the families wait if they already have a pretty good idea who it is. However, I myself know of at least THREE cases where the police misidentified a body. They thought it was so-and-so, notified the family, announced it, then it turned out it wasn't. In one case the funeral was underway when the mistake is realized. I think that's a lot worse than the families having to wait a bit longer. The cops are just trying to be careful.
monkalup
02-05-2005, 10:27 AM
I agree, Meagan. LE has to be so careful with these notifications. And the very sad truth is that the families of the missing go through this uncertainty and dread everytime remains are found. And as the years go by, you realize your loved ones could be anywhere...so the circle of "interest" grows.
I have had 25 years of these gut wrenching moments, days, weeks, waiting for an ID for remains that were found...always thinking of Jean Marie, then berating myself for thinking it could be her.
Although media, lawyers, neighbors in general can be hurtful without intention, LE is all too aware of how sensitive these subjects are. Good LE will be very, very careful how they go about identification and notification.
mysteriew
02-14-2005, 03:30 AM
My guess is that they have an idea who it is, due to the clothing found. But families wouldn't be notified until identity is confirmed through dental matches or DNA. LE may start preparing the family now though, letting them know that it is possibly their loved one, but cautioning that they won't know for sure until the match is made. This way they have time to absorb it before the media onslaught. At least this has been my observation in other cases.
My question would be why the long wait from the time that the skull was found to the finding of the body? Have they been searching all this time, or did they wait until now to search for the rest of the remains? It has been over a month in between.
OriginalJerseyGirl
02-27-2005, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by PrayersForMaura: All of these abductions and murders in our country areforms of tyranny and terrorism to me... I think our government needs to do a lot more within our own country to control this violence. Our annual murder rate is so high. It's probably the highest of any free country in the world.
Violence and homicide need to be stopped.
What is the government doing for these victims' families and what is being done to prevent more of these horrible situations?
I have thought this hundreds of times! I cannot agree with you more. How long do these unthinkable atrocities need to go on before someone tries to get a handle on things? I don't know where the fault lies though. Laws, lengths of prison terms, etc., vary so much from state to state and even from case to case. You've got people in jail for 8 years for marijuana possession but someone else is out after 3 for rape! The whole system is messed up that way in my opinion. Too many people plea bargain, get time off for good behavior, and on and on and on. We need to make the punishments fit the crimes, make a 20 year sentence a true 20 year sentence, and try to instill some sort of uniformity between cases. And as long as a perpetrator can get time cut off of their sentence, oftentimes making the duration of their conviction ridiculously lenient, there will always be criminal minds out there that figure it's worth the gamble.
CaliKid
03-21-2005, 09:04 PM
Sounds like they have a serial kidnapper/killer on the loose. Any news?
ShowerSinger
03-22-2005, 07:28 PM
Sadly, the skeletal remains DNA matched this young girl. Her family has been notified.
ShowerSinger
03-22-2005, 10:28 PM
I heard that the remains are those of 12-year old Rosa Sandoval. Hoping someone else can confirm. We're having bad weather here, and the power keeps going on, and off. Maybe someone can confirm?
Thank you, Love & Prayers.
KatherineQ
03-22-2005, 11:53 PM
Yes, it's Rosa Sandoval.
Oddly, the article refers to her as a "woman". God rest her soul.
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=2FBCED0B-ACDA-4E46-B6C0-DBB206563BB5
KatherineQ
03-23-2005, 12:04 AM
I looked up her story on the net, and it's an odd one. What possible motivation would a 17 year old sister have for saying her little sister had gone to school in the morning, if in fact the girl knew she was missing at 11:30 p.m.?
Neither parent is awake to see that the girl actually did/did not get up and get her own self off to school at 7:30? Even to just say goodbye? Nobody in the family notices that she wasn't there, and thinks she went to school, except the older sister who lied about it. For weeks, apparently, and then finally said she wasn't there when the sister went to bed.
Hm.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/missing_children/rosa_sandoval.html
edited to add: This story, if you look up articles, doesn't get any better toward the sister. Apparently in June forensics arrived at the home and found evidence in the girl's bedroom - handprints in blood, and seized a mattress and the family car. And then the next day the family had the rooms professionally steam cleaned. Doesn't sound like a predator to me.
Edited AGAIN to add: she was reported, falsely, having gone to school with her light purple school backpack. Obviously the backpack is missing from the home or this lie wouldn't have held up for weeks. So that means someone disposed of her backpack, from inside the house. No 5th grader takes their schoolwork backpack, complete with all the schoolwork inside, to run off in the dark of night between 11 and 11:30 p.m.
And THAT may well explain why the cops had mentally ID'd the body and didn't tell the family.
blueclouds
03-23-2005, 12:33 AM
This poor darlin's been identified.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA032205.sandoval.online.16352ce59.html
meggilyweggily
03-23-2005, 09:13 PM
Things do certainly look odd re: Rosa's sister. I wouldn't put too much stock in the bloody handprints, though. I mean, certainly they're an indication, but not a strong one. Right now, for instance, I have a sock sitting in my closet fairly covered with my own blood. And I have not been murdered.
I heard that Rosa's family had the house cleaned because the police, when searching it, left a big mess and fingerprint/blood-detection powder everywhere.
LillyRush
03-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Oh my God I haven't even heard about this body discovery on the news. I remember this case and how the sister was the last one to claim to see her but haven't heard anything about it in ages. That is so horrible. May her little soul rest in peace. :(
KatherineQ
03-23-2005, 11:57 PM
Things do certainly look odd re: Rosa's sister. I wouldn't put too much stock in the bloody handprints, though. I mean, certainly they're an indication, but not a strong one. Right now, for instance, I have a sock sitting in my closet fairly covered with my own blood. And I have not been murdered.
I heard that Rosa's family had the house cleaned because the police, when searching it, left a big mess and fingerprint/blood-detection powder everywhere.
Meggily - hope your foot's okay! My house is probably full of blood too, if they did one of those luminescence tests. Between raising three rowdy kids, and their friends, and dogs, and cooking meats with blood, etc., there's probably a lot to see here even though it's been cleaned up. Eeks. This story just looks weird, though, doesn't it. This poor cute girl, I hope somehow it gets solved. The media coverage seems to have been so lacking in detail it's hard to tell what happened to her.
meggilyweggily
03-24-2005, 04:11 PM
I'm under the impression that the cops aren't releasing any information. Or that they simply don't know anything. If it took three months to identify Rosa's remains, it may take much longer to figure out what killed her -- if they ever do. Skeletons are difficult to work with, especially if they've been laying out in the open for so long. Unless there's, say, bullet holes in the bones, or cuts consistent with a knife, it may be impossible to figure out a cause of death.
Michelle Read
12-12-2005, 01:49 PM
Any update on the search for the killer of this poor child? It is a shame so many murders go unsolved! Prayers that this young girl's family finds some justice!
Mom2threestooges
12-12-2005, 04:06 PM
That doesn't make sense. A 12 year old doesn't go to elementary school, unless she failed a grade and the school goes to 6th grade.
On a Sunday, she may have been going to meet a friend, or hang out, or climb on the rooftops (like I used to to while hanging out with my friends, at that age).
That whole report is weird. The Friday she should have disappeared would have been the 28th.
My son is 12, has never failed a grade, and is in 6th grade. All the elementary schools around here go through 6th.
docwho3
12-12-2005, 06:50 PM
Here is a case discussion thread for this case. I went through the info & support thread & tried to get most of the news report links from there.
I hope it helps.
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=44C79C97-C2BB-492F-9FBD-8FDE54F5C69A
http://www.ksat.com/news/3396211/detail.html
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=43ECDA71-B32D-4A7F-AF34-20AEE18F1B33
http://www.ksat.com/news/3555955/detail.html
http://www.ksat.com/news/4117031/detail.html
docwho3
12-12-2005, 06:54 PM
A case discussion thread has been opened for this case at
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=907686#post907686
I hope it helps.
bykerladi
03-03-2007, 10:12 PM
Bump
http://missing.puellula.com/Memoriam/Sandoval.html
imamaze
08-03-2009, 10:43 PM
America's Most Wanted: Rosa Sandoval (http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=26884)
Police Find Rosa's Remains
Authorities say skeletal remains found in a wooded area in southwest Bexar County, Texas in December are those of 12-year-old Rosa Sandoval. >>The Full Story
here is a new story up. well nothing new. but I just seen it looking for news on Gabriel Johnson.
Police Look For Clues In Killing
Bones Of Rosa Sandoval, 12, Found In Woods
http://www.ksat.com/news/22297909/detail.html
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