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georgiagirl
12-21-2005, 09:52 AM
The Doe Network:
Case File 49DFFL

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/ARamsey.jpg http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/ARamsey1.jpg
Left: Ramsley, circa 1977; Right: Age-progressed image of Ramsey at age 40 (circa 2001.)

Angela Sigrid Ramsey
Missing since June 21, 1977 from Deland, Volusia County, Florida
Classification: Endangered Missing



Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: May 16, 1961
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3; 115 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Ramsey has a small scar on the left side of her face.
<LI>Dentals: Available



Circumstances of Disappearance
Angela Sigrid Ramsey hitch-hiked from Columbia, S.C., to Florida in June, 1977 to visit friends in DeLand. The 16-year-old stayed at the Boulevard Motel on Woodland Boulevard for two days, then disappeared. A man who befriended Angie and took a picture of her by the motel pool later reported the girl missing, after she didn't meet him for dinner.
Investigators found the picture in Angie's room with her clothes, jewelry and a letter to her best friend back home. The letter said she missed Columbia and her mother. Ramsey's father was an officer in the United States Army; as a result of the family's travels, she had many friends across the country. Ramsey's mother told authorities that her daughter had hitchhiked to Florida with truck drivers, then stayed at a friend's home in Florida before checking into the Boulevard Motel. Ramsey's friend apparently offered her money before she left, but she refused to accept the offer. She has never been seen again and investigators suspect foul play.



Investigators
If you have any information on the whereabouts of Ramsey, please contact:
Volusia County Sheriff's Office
386-248-1777
E-Mail (LVoss@so.co.volusia.fl.us)

You may remain anonymous if you wish when submitting information.

Agency Case Number: 93001275

NCIC Number:
M-617760981
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information: The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.missingkids.com/)

Return to the Unexplained Disappearances' Index (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/disappear4.html)

Richard
12-21-2005, 11:27 AM
>> A man who befriended Angie and took a picture of her by the motel pool later reported the girl missing, after she didn't meet him for dinner. <<

Just who was this benevolent stranger who met her, invited her to dinner, and then reported her missing? There has to be more to the story.

How long was the time interval between the meeting at the pool and the failure to show up for dinner? And how long before he reported her missing?

Were all other guests of the motel identified and questioned?

Mullins
12-21-2005, 04:10 PM
I was so chilled to see that the first picture of Angela resembles my sister who was murdered in 1982.

How sad that such a beautiful young girl has vanished. And even sadder that she hasn't been found after all this time.

I wonder where the man at the pool is now and what he looked like? Is there a description or picture of him? I also wonder what her route was? What states did she travel through/towns?


The Doe Network:
Case File 49DFFL

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/ARamsey.jpg http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/ARamsey1.jpg
Left: Ramsley, circa 1977; Right: Age-progressed image of Ramsey at age 40 (circa 2001.)

Angela Sigrid Ramsey
Missing since June 21, 1977 from Deland, Volusia County, Florida
Classification: Endangered Missing



Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: May 16, 1961
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3; 115 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Ramsey has a small scar on the left side of her face.
<LI>Dentals: Available



Circumstances of Disappearance
Angela Sigrid Ramsey hitch-hiked from Columbia, S.C., to Florida in June, 1977 to visit friends in DeLand. The 16-year-old stayed at the Boulevard Motel on Woodland Boulevard for two days, then disappeared. A man who befriended Angie and took a picture of her by the motel pool later reported the girl missing, after she didn't meet him for dinner.
Investigators found the picture in Angie's room with her clothes, jewelry and a letter to her best friend back home. The letter said she missed Columbia and her mother. Ramsey's father was an officer in the United States Army; as a result of the family's travels, she had many friends across the country. Ramsey's mother told authorities that her daughter had hitchhiked to Florida with truck drivers, then stayed at a friend's home in Florida before checking into the Boulevard Motel. Ramsey's friend apparently offered her money before she left, but she refused to accept the offer. She has never been seen again and investigators suspect foul play.



Investigators
If you have any information on the whereabouts of Ramsey, please contact:
Volusia County Sheriff's Office
386-248-1777
E-Mail (LVoss@so.co.volusia.fl.us)

You may remain anonymous if you wish when submitting information.

Agency Case Number: 93001275

NCIC Number:
M-617760981
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information: The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.missingkids.com/)

Return to the Unexplained Disappearances' Index (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/disappear4.html)

LButler
12-22-2005, 10:34 AM
I find it a little strange that this guy would report her missing. I'm not a man, but I would think that most men would assume she had second thoughts about having dinner with him or spending any more time with him and just forget about her, look her up later, but to report a "stranger" as missing, ???? Sounds suspicious to me ....

Mullins
12-22-2005, 10:44 AM
I agree, it does sound weird. I would love to see a picture of this man.

I find it a little strange that this guy would report her missing. I'm not a man, but I would think that most men would assume she had second thoughts about having dinner with him or spending any more time with him and just forget about her, look her up later, but to report a "stranger" as missing, ???? Sounds suspicious to me ....

Richard
12-22-2005, 11:05 AM
I find it a little strange that this guy would report her missing. I'm not a man, but I would think that most men would assume she had second thoughts about having dinner with him or spending any more time with him and just forget about her, look her up later, but to report a "stranger" as missing, ???? Sounds suspicious to me ....
Just theory, but could it be that this guy did something with her, and then afterward recalled that she had a photo and perhaps something else of his in her room that might have linked him to her - like maybe his name and room or phone number? Perhaps others had seen him talking to her at the pool and could identify him. If he took off and was later tracked down, he would have been a prime suspect. He may have felt that by calling the police himself, he could play the part of the caring and concerned citizen, and account for her possession of the photo - which would have had his prints on it - and maybe his name and room/phone number.

I just cannot imagine calling 911 to report someone I just met as a missing person because she failed to show for a hastily arranged dinner date.

georgiagirl
12-22-2005, 11:57 AM
forthelost.bravepages.com/aramsey.html (http://forthelost.bravepages.com/aramsey.html)

Angela Sigrid Ramsey

Last seen in Deland, Florida, on June 21, 1977


Vital statistics: Born on May 16, 1961. Brown hair, brown eyes. Her nickname is "Angie". Ramsey has a small scar on the left side of her face. Was sixteen when last seen.

NCIC number: M-617760981

Circumstances: Angela hitch-hiked from Columbia, S.C., to Florida in June, 1977 to visit friends in DeLand. The 16-year-old stayed at the Boulevard Motel on Woodland Boulevard for two days, then disappeared. A man she had befriended at the hotel and who had taken a picture of her by the hotel pool reported her missing when she failed to come to dinner. He has been investigated and is not a suspect in her case. The picture was found in her room with clothing, jewlery, and a letter to a friend home.Ramsey's father was an officer in the United States Army; as a result of the family's travels, she had many friends across the country. Ramsey's mother told authorities that her daughter had hitchhiked to Florida with truck drivers, then stayed at a friend's home in Florida before checking into the Boulevard Motel. Ramsey's friend apparently offered her money before she left, but she refused to accept the offer. Classified as Endangered Missing; foul play is suspected.

Theories: We can almost certainly rule out the possibility of her deciding to leave the hotel because she would not have left behind her belongings. The next theory is that she was abducted while at the hotel by a guest or staff member. It is also possible that she was abducted or killed while out around the town of Deland. My theory is definitely that she was either abducted or killed. She is described as a nice, polite teenager, and she was traveling alone, so she would have been an easy target. I don't know who would want a 16 year old child, but something prevented her from returning home and attending the dinner date.

f you have any information on Ramsey's wherebouts, please e-mail For The Lost at this addr

Richard
12-22-2005, 12:14 PM
What was Angela's Father's name and rank? Where was he stationed and what was his assignment at the time? Could it have been Fort Jackson in Columbia, SC ?

Did the family live on base, or out in town?

Could there have been a connection with her home? For instance, someone who knew her might have also traveled to Florida to meet with her while she was away from home.

Richard
12-02-2006, 08:37 PM
Bumping this case up. It has been a year since the last post to this thread. Since it was started, there have been 281 viewings.

2sisters
12-02-2006, 09:56 PM
Perhaps someone she hitched a ride from was following her?

Richard
07-03-2007, 11:17 AM
Bumping this case up again. Here is an updated link to The Doe Network Case File 49DFFL:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/49dffl.html

Note that this girl was from South Carolina. Exactly one week later, another South Carolina girl, Eva DeBruhl disappeared from her home. I wonder if there is any connection between the two.

starmushrooms
02-04-2011, 12:34 AM
Bumping the thread.

I drive past this motel daily and I can't help but wonder if she is still in the general area. There are several steep hills on the other side of the road that lead down to over grown brush and trees.

Also several restaurants have gone up over the years. If there was nothing there when Angela disappeared, and the person who harmed her didn't want to go far, they could have gone across the street. Years later a parking lot goes in and that's that.

It should also be noted Deleon Springs is right down the road and that area is pretty rural and heavily wooded. You have Deleon Springs State Park and Lake George State Forest.

I wonder if anything was done back then to really search for her. But something about the steep hills across from the motel gets at me.

andrewgant
02-04-2011, 09:56 PM
7/16/2007

This Week’s Case: Angela Ramsey

THE CASE

Missing Person

Date of crime: June 21, 1977

Location: DeLand

Ramsey, 16, told her mother, Gerry Nancey in South Carolina, that she was going to visit a friend. Rather than visit the friend, however, Ramsey hitchhiked her way down the East Coast, eventually landing at a DeLand motel where she met a young man and spent the day with him. The young man returned to see Ramsey the next day, but she was gone.

THE INVESTIGATION

The young man reported Ramsey’s disappearance to the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office. Investigators combed her motel room for clues — all her belongings were undisturbed. The young man who last saw Ramsey told investigators she may have left for the evening and was abducted.

THE SURVIVORS

Every year, on her birthday, Ramsey’s mother places a photo of her daughter on the dining room table. She surrounds it with roses and prays for her daughter to come home. She still has the letter, yellowed and torn, that her daughter sent her before she disappeared. It reads: “I really miss my mamma.”

THE UPDATE

Last month marked the 30th anniversary of Ramsey’s disappearance. Investigators have reinterviewed witnesses, including the young man who is now a corrections officer in Brevard County, but have no new leads. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has aged Ramsey’s picture to show what she might look like today.

— Seth Robbins

Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at (888) 277-TIPS (8477). Callers can remain anonymous and may be eligible for a reward.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/special/coldcase/2007/071607.htm

Satch
02-07-2011, 05:22 PM
Just theory, but could it be that this guy did something with her, and then afterward recalled that she had a photo and perhaps something else of his in her room that might have linked him to her - like maybe his name and room or phone number? Perhaps others had seen him talking to her at the pool and could identify him. If he took off and was later tracked down, he would have been a prime suspect. He may have felt that by calling the police himself, he could play the part of the caring and concerned citizen, and account for her possession of the photo - which would have had his prints on it - and maybe his name and room/phone number.

I just cannot imagine calling 911 to report someone I just met as a missing person because she failed to show for a hastily arranged dinner date.

I agree with Richard,

It is very strange that this woman would arrange to have a dinner date with someone who was literally a complete stranger to her. Agree that this person might have played the part of "concerned citizen." However, he could know a lot more than he is telling.

Satch

amber1
03-08-2012, 11:40 AM
this case baffles me. i think:
1. the guy knows more than he is saying
2. she hitch hiked and it went bad
3. something with the military ( i can't help but wonder)
4. she left to go somewhere else, but something went wrong.
whatever happened to her, it cant be good

amber1
03-08-2012, 11:41 AM
this case baffles me. i think:
1. the guy knows more than he is saying
2. she hitch hiked and it went bad
3. something with the military ( i can't help but wonder)
4. she left to go somewhere else, but something went wrong.
whatever happened to her, it cant be good

Janet
06-23-2012, 04:30 PM
https://www.findthemissing.org/photos/thumb/9337

Angela Ramsey missing June 21, 1977

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6556/11?current_page=photos (https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6556/11?current_page=photos)



http://www.unidentified-persons.org/images/hcjanedoe.jpg (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html)
Unidentified female found 1988 (buried for more than 10 yrs)
http://www.unidentified-persons.org/pg2.html (http://www.unidentified-persons.org/pg2.html)

Janet
06-23-2012, 04:45 PM
https://www.findthemissing.org/photos/thumb/9337

Angela Ramsey missing June 21, 1977

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6556/11?current_page=photos (https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/6556/11?current_page=photos)



http://www.unidentified-persons.org/images/hcjanedoe.jpg (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/20ufnj.html)
Unidentified female found 1988 (buried for more than 10 yrs)
http://www.unidentified-persons.org/pg2.html (http://www.unidentified-persons.org/pg2.html)


http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fp%3D8083219%23post8083219&v=1&libid=1340483487197&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unidentified-persons.org%2Fimages%2Fhcjanedoe.jpg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26noquote%3D1%26p%3D7672 573&title=FL%20FL%20-%20Angela%20Ramsey%2C%2016%2C%20Deland%2C%2021%20J une%201977%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community%23po st8083219%23post8083219%23post8083219&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unidentified-persons.org%2F...%2Fhcjanedoe.jpg&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13404836028533

wintermute
06-23-2012, 05:52 PM
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=910&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fp%3D8083219%23post8083219&v=1&libid=1340483487197&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unidentified-persons.org%2Fimages%2Fhcjanedoe.jpg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.websleuths.com%2Fforums%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26noquote%3D1%26p%3D7672 573&title=FL%20FL%20-%20Angela%20Ramsey%2C%2016%2C%20Deland%2C%2021%20J une%201977%20-%20Websleuths%20Crime%20Sleuthing%20Community%23po st8083219%23post8083219%23post8083219&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unidentified-persons.org%2F...%2Fhcjanedoe.jpg&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13404836028533

The UID has a gap in the upper central incisors and Angela clearly does not. That would seem like a rule out IMO.

Richard
06-24-2012, 08:57 PM
I wonder just who the benevolent and concerned citizen was. Things just do not add up.

amber1
06-25-2012, 08:55 AM
@ Janet, did you submit this PM to Doenetwork or anyhting yet?

JustCryssy
10-23-2012, 10:16 AM
After years of looking at cases in Florida, I feel this case is related to at least two others.

Angela was last seen in a Florida motel in '77

Patricia Elayne Action was last seen in a Florida motel in '78
http://www.nampn.org/cases/action_patricia.html

Teresa Lyn Fittin was working in a Florida motel in '75
http://www.nampn.org/cases/fittin_teresa.html

Each was small in stature, each had long, light brown/blonde hair.
I can't help but believe they each encountered the same person. A serial killer on vacation perhaps.


JMO

amber1
10-23-2012, 11:34 PM
After years of looking at cases in Florida, I feel this case is related to at least two others.

Angela was last seen in a Florida motel in '77

Patricia Elayne Action was last seen in a Florida motel in '78
http://www.nampn.org/cases/action_patricia.html

Teresa Lyn Fittin was working in a Florida motel in '75
http://www.nampn.org/cases/fittin_teresa.html

Each was small in stature, each had long, light brown/blonde hair.
I can't help but believe they each encountered the same person. A serial killer on vacation perhaps.


JMO

I also think it's very interesting because these three have similar physical characteristics: all attractive, petite teenagers. They all vanished from a motel or near the area of one. They also aren't missing too far apart. Below is a link to the map that lists where all three of these girls vanished (Clearwater= Patricia Action, Delan= Angela Ramsey and Fort Lauderdale= Teresa Fittin).
Also, the time era they vanished very close together: 1975-1978.

I find it odd there are so many teen girls, all pretty, petite, lots of brunettes, who vanished in the '70s (Amy Billig, 17, missing from Coconut Grove, FL). There were also many serial killers in Florida back in those decades. Gerlad Stano (but his spree ended in the early '70s), Ted Bundy (known for killings in West coast area, but also some in FL-he was recaptured there in 1978. Is is possible he had something to do with the disappearance on one of these girls?), Christopher Wilder (1983, rampage in FL, amongst other states), Henry Lee Lucas (active in TX, but thought to have been in FL as well), Ottis Toole (active in Florida 1976, thought to be the murderer of Adam Walsh-homosexual).

I have always wondered if Angela Ramsey was a victim of Ted Bundy. She certainly fits the profile (young teen, with long brunette hair parted down the middle). If you look at some of his other confirmed and presumed victims (Julie Cunningham), she fits the profile. The time she vanished also lines up with the time he was in Florida, and since he was traveling and a drifter, it would make sense he would be at a motel. JMO.

Map:
Google Maps

JustCryssy
10-24-2012, 02:12 PM
I also think it's very interesting because these three have similar physical characteristics: all attractive, petite teenagers. They all vanished from a motel or near the area of one. They also aren't missing too far apart. Below is a link to the map that lists where all three of these girls vanished (Clearwater= Patricia Action, Delan= Angela Ramsey and Fort Lauderdale= Teresa Fittin).
Also, the time era they vanished very close together: 1975-1978.

I find it odd there are so many teen girls, all pretty, petite, lots of brunettes, who vanished in the '70s (Amy Billig, 17, missing from Coconut Grove, FL). There were also many serial killers in Florida back in those decades. Gerlad Stano (but his spree ended in the early '70s), Ted Bundy (known for killings in West coast area, but also some in FL-he was recaptured there in 1978. Is is possible he had something to do with the disappearance on one of these girls?), Christopher Wilder (1983, rampage in FL, amongst other states), Henry Lee Lucas (active in TX, but thought to have been in FL as well), Ottis Toole (active in Florida 1976, thought to be the murderer of Adam Walsh-homosexual).

I have always wondered if Angela Ramsey was a victim of Ted Bundy. She certainly fits the profile (young teen, with long brunette hair parted down the middle). If you look at some of his other confirmed and presumed victims (Julie Cunningham), she fits the profile. The time she vanished also lines up with the time he was in Florida, and since he was traveling and a drifter, it would make sense he would be at a motel. JMO.

Map:
Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl)

There are also possible victims that fit the description in the surrounding years, except for 1976.

1973 - Unidentified petite teen - south Florida
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/635uffl.html

1979 - Sharon Anne Harrer - 19, 5'4, 98lbs, dark blonde hair, blue eyes disappeared from south Florida from a tourist oriented club.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2874dffl.html

Possibly the key is the year 1976.

When searching through unidentified and missing in Florida 1976 has VERY few cases in comparison to the surrounding years, and none that fit the description.
'76 was the Bicentenial and there would have been a lot going on all over the country that year, prompting many to not vacation. My own family skipped the yearly vacation due to parades, celebrations, etc. (which is part of what prompted my vacationer theory)
HOWEVER, it is also possible they were in prison.

This is all just my opinion and theory based on late nights of searching old case files for Florida.

amber1
10-24-2012, 02:48 PM
There are also possible victims that fit the description in the surrounding years, except for 1976.

1973 - Unidentified petite teen - south Florida
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/635uffl.html

1979 - Sharon Anne Harrer - 19, 5'4, 98lbs, dark blonde hair, blue eyes disappeared from south Florida from a tourist oriented club.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2874dffl.html

Possibly the key is the year 1976.

When searching through unidentified and missing in Florida 1976 has VERY few cases in comparison to the surrounding years, and none that fit the description.
'76 was the Bicentenial and there would have been a lot going on all over the country that year, prompting many to not vacation. My own family skipped the yearly vacation due to parades, celebrations, etc. (which is part of what prompted my vacationer theory)
HOWEVER, it is also possible they were in prison.

This is all just my opinion and theory based on late nights of searching old case files for Florida.

Very interesting post! Sharon's case is very haunting-who is "Robert Crawford?" I feel like I've heard this name before in different cases, but I have never looked into it.
I have always wondered if there was perhaps an unidentified serial killer in FL. Some of these UIDs and missing persons dont fit in on the known killers list, for multiple reasons (ex: incarceration). But with so many young girls missing in the 70s from Florida, one has to wonder. And all the circumstances seem to point to abductions. JMO

PS: sorry for the map above, Idk why I cant get that link to show those 3 MPs abd LKA!

JustCryssy
10-25-2012, 01:34 PM
I've pondered about the use of the name Robert Crawford as well.
I've read that serial killers/psychos often will give themselves a persona they relate to, or wish to be like.

After all these years, I know that it would be difficult to find witnesses, additional evidence, etc... but I can't help but believe that the answers to Angela's case, and the others is here... we just aren't seeing that one little connecting piece.

amber1
10-25-2012, 05:56 PM
I agree. I wonder if it would be beneficiary to try to look up Robert Crawford. Not saying it is his name but you never know. The big question is, why did this person pick this name? It has to have some significance to it. Are there any known serial killers who went by different alias'? These girls' disappearance remind me of those girls' who were victims of Stano. The circumstances, where it happened, how it happened (getting into a car with "Robert Crawford"). That is all stuff Stano did. Except he was locked up already. Maybe there is a copy cat? Or did he have a side kick? There was much contemplation that he did. But he later recanted it.
Angela's case just really baffles me because I am very sure she went with someone willingly (perhaps on a car ride or out and about somewhere) and something very bad happened. I do believe she intended on returning to the motel. JMO

JustCryssy
10-25-2012, 07:14 PM
There was an actor named Robert Crawford in the 60's. He played mainly small parts on lots of different TV shows. His father was a marine turned producer/agent. He was way over shadowed by his younger brother, Johnny Crawford of The Rifleman fame. Ironically, he played a role in the movie "The Imposter" in 1961.
Is it possible this guy was trying to pass himself off as the real Robert Crawford?
If so, he would have had to have similar traits. (??)

ETA:
Charle Ng used the alias Paul Cosner, who was actually his first known victim.
Carl Panzram used the name John O'Leary after the Irish nationalist and the name Jeff Rhoades. (possibly one of his victims)
Leonard Lake also took on one of his victims names, Robin Stapley. (believed to be his first)
and of course Mudgett called himself H. H. Holmes, a muddling of presidential names and Oliver Wendell Holmes.
I believe I have read that Bundy used an alias at one point, but it escapes me.

amber1
10-26-2012, 09:32 AM
Very interesting!
I just can't get over how similar "Robert Crawford" is to Gerald Stano. In the book, I would Find a Girl Walking, this serial killer would tell the author he often felt over shadowed by his brother, the "perfect" child.
Most of his victims were women though, so I do not see him using a woman's name as an alias. He was very into the media, in the sense of being obsessed with movies and disco music. One of his first kills was actually because he became so enraged when a girl he picked up told him she did not like disco music.
So very bizarre!
**Also, I reread the story on Gerald Stano, and realized he had not been arrested until April 1st, 1980, which would mean he was running free at the time all these ladies vanished. He was finally arrested after he attacked a drug addict/prostitute at a motel. He stabbed her 30 times, but she managed to get away, go to police and turn him in. If it was not for that girl, many say he would have killed many many more.
The fact that he is known for picking girls up "off the strip", hang around motels to find girls, and offer them rides (he was knowing for always picking girls up and usually attacked them in his car while driving) is very eery because it reminds me of the three cases you named earlier. He claims to have started his killing spree in the '60s and killed majority of his victims in the 70s, right up until he got caught in 1980.

I do believe that who ever was "Robert Crawford" was just using it as an alias. I'm surprised there seem to be no other reports about similar cases, but then again we have no way of knowing if there are other cases. I think the fact someone else knew this person's alias was "Robert Crawford" is very lucky. It would be interesting to see if Stano had used any aliases, although I cannot remember if he had. It was always speculated he killed many more women then he confessed to, which he would constantly taunt LE about. I wonder if his "hidden cards" in his "game" are actually some of these girls he was never tied to. Would be interesting to see if he ever was considered a suspect in these cases. JMO

Satch
10-26-2012, 05:34 PM
I haven't checked the thread for updates,

But do authorities know the man who took Angela to dinner before she disappeared?

Did he take a polygraph? Results?

Did he ever become a suspect in the case or even a person of interest? Still think this "stranger" knows more than he is telling.

Satch

Satch
10-26-2012, 05:40 PM
I haven't checked the thread for updates,

But do authorities know the man who took Angela to dinner before she disappeared?

Did he take a polygraph? Results?

Did he ever become a suspect in the case or even a person of interest? Still think this "stranger" knows more than he is telling.

Satch

According to Charley Project, "The Stranger" Angela met is not a suspect in the case:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/ramsey_angela.html

For comparison, this is what Doe Network has on Angela's case:

http://doenetwork.org/cases/49dffl.html

Satch

amber1
10-27-2012, 12:47 AM
I also dont think the mystery dinner date man had anything to do with it. Could she have hitched a ride with the wrong person?

JustCryssy
11-02-2012, 06:55 AM
Very interesting!
I just can't get over how similar "Robert Crawford" is to Gerald Stano. In the book, I would Find a Girl Walking, this serial killer would tell the author he often felt over shadowed by his brother, the "perfect" child.
Most of his victims were women though, so I do not see him using a woman's name as an alias. He was very into the media, in the sense of being obsessed with movies and disco music. One of his first kills was actually because he became so enraged when a girl he picked up told him she did not like disco music.
So very bizarre!
**Also, I reread the story on Gerald Stano, and realized he had not been arrested until April 1st, 1980, which would mean he was running free at the time all these ladies vanished. He was finally arrested after he attacked a drug addict/prostitute at a motel. He stabbed her 30 times, but she managed to get away, go to police and turn him in. If it was not for that girl, many say he would have killed many many more.
The fact that he is known for picking girls up "off the strip", hang around motels to find girls, and offer them rides (he was knowing for always picking girls up and usually attacked them in his car while driving) is very eery because it reminds me of the three cases you named earlier. He claims to have started his killing spree in the '60s and killed majority of his victims in the 70s, right up until he got caught in 1980.

I do believe that who ever was "Robert Crawford" was just using it as an alias. I'm surprised there seem to be no other reports about similar cases, but then again we have no way of knowing if there are other cases. I think the fact someone else knew this person's alias was "Robert Crawford" is very lucky. It would be interesting to see if Stano had used any aliases, although I cannot remember if he had. It was always speculated he killed many more women then he confessed to, which he would constantly taunt LE about. I wonder if his "hidden cards" in his "game" are actually some of these girls he was never tied to. Would be interesting to see if he ever was considered a suspect in these cases. JMO


While Stano would seem the best fit for the time period/general location, he had no M.O. as far as a type of victim beyond female.
The "Once a Year" girls as I call them, (no disrespect to anyone) were all frightening similar.
I think Angela, and the others, ran into someone more like Bundy. Likable, probably young and attractive... possibly giving the appearance of having money. (Robert Crawford said to drive a caddy)

While my main theory revolves around a vacationer, because of the time framing between these girls, and location of their disappearance, I think there is also the possibility of a salesman, selling hotel/motel supplies.

starmushrooms
03-27-2013, 04:49 PM
Things were different back then. Young girls alone might think someone offering to take them around would be a safe idea. This area really didn't have much going for it when Angela went missing. It built up in the 10 years after she disappeared. I'm wondering why she ended up here anyway.

But, it's still an open area around the motel. It's still there. And I don't think she went far.

amber1
03-29-2013, 12:44 AM
I also wondered how she ended up down there....back in those decades, the amount of girls being killed, vanishing and female UIDs is pretty high. I was looking through Charley Project for FL the other night and...wow...I hope some of these find closure!

scriptgirl
03-19-2014, 03:40 PM
Did the interview they friends she was going to see?

bessie
03-20-2014, 03:44 AM
Link to Carol Lynn Sullivan's thread. She was a 13-year-old murdered in Deland a year after Angela disappeared.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10357553&posted=1#post10357553

mikkismom
03-20-2014, 02:43 PM
Skeletal remains found on road near DeLand

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/skeletal-remains-found-deland-roadway/nfHQz/

bessie
03-21-2014, 05:30 PM
The remains were found only three miles from the Boulevard Motel on N Woodland Blvd where Angie stayed. But they were in a plastic garbage bag, so I don't know if it could be her.

https://www.google.com/maps?saddr=Oak+St,+DeLand,+FL&daddr=1349+Woodland+Boulevard,+DeLand,+FL&hl=en&sll=29.033481,-81.28487&sspn=0.098159,0.196381&geocode=FR58uwEdcvwn-ynBwZQKPRzniDH9lySz2eenjw%3BFX1NuwEdLWcn-ynvcj-vhRzniDEUEUMtVFh64A&t=h&mra=pr&z=13