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mysteriew
12-26-2005, 03:22 PM
She had reddish brown hair and weighed about 100 pounds.

Her petite frame was dressed in a black T-shirt with "Here Comes Trouble" on the front and a nightshirt with "Have You Kissed Your Child Tonite?"

For 21 years, no one has known her name, why she was slain and who left her in the Ocala National Forest near Lake Dorr north of Umatilla.

Lake County investigators suspect an admitted serial killer serving life in an Arkansas prison may know something about the case.

But Michael Ronning, 48, isn't talking.

The case goes back to April 18, 1984, when a man found the woman's remains in the Lake Dorr recreation area in the national forest. She had been dead for two to four weeks, and animals had scattered her remains.

A break in the case came almost 18 years later when the news show Dateline NBC did a story about Ronning in February 2002.

In Dateline's research, the producers found a traffic ticket that was issued April 17, 1984, to Ronning by Umatilla police for not having a valid drivers license. The show alerted Lake detectives about its findings and asked if they had any unsolved homicides.

That's when Lake County investigators first heard about Ronning and began investigating.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-killer2605dec26,0,5955876.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 03:24 PM
The Doe Network's listing for the Jane Doe described above:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html

mysteriew
12-26-2005, 03:27 PM
Thanks PT, that was quick!

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 04:13 PM
I'm not at all happy with this match... Leslie is 3" taller, 4 years older was from California, and abducted in January... if it is her, maybe someone else abducted her, kept her for a bit, then brought her to Florida? ...or not

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/LPorter.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL2.jpg
Jane Doe on left and right, Leslie Anne Porter in center.
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/220dfca.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/220dfca.html)

Leslie Anne Porter
Missing since January 19, 1984 from West Covina, Los Angeles County, California.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics
* Date Of Birth: November 1, 1959
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 122 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes.
* Marks, Scars: Porter has a mole on the right side of her face just above her mouth.
* Clothing: She was last seen wearing a red, hooded sweatshirt with heart-shaped, rainbow buttons.
* Dentals: Available

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 04:41 PM
Ok I have problems with this match too. Terrie is 3" taller, she was possibly travelling to Louisianna... so Florida is not that far off. It doesn't leave much time though between the disappearance on April 1st and finding the body April 14th - it this is Terrie she would have had to have been killed almost immediately.

Jane Doe doesn't have any mention of a chipped tooth (although she may have one but its just not mentioned). Finally Terrie is listed as a Blonde, but both photos on the Doe Network show DARK hair??????


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL2.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/THefner.jpg
Jane Doe on left, Terrie Lynn Hefner on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/116dftx.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/116dftx.html)

Terrie Lynn Hefner
Missing since April 1, 1984 from Dallas, Dallas County, Texas.
Classification: Endangered Missing

# Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: August 11, 1964
# Age at Time of Disappearance: 19 years old
# Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5; 120 pounds
# Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; brown eyes.
# Marks, Scars: A mole on right cheek.
# AKA: Terrie Davis
# Dentals: Hefner has a chipped front tooth.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Hefner was a resident of Texas when she disappeared in April 1984. She was last seen in Dallas, Texas. Hefner may have traveled to Louisiana.

mysteriew
12-26-2005, 04:47 PM
I have some trouble with the lips and chin on the reconstruction number 2. They just don't look right. I wonder if the calculations were correct on that.

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 04:53 PM
Joyce was last seen in January, which gives her lots of time to go to Florida from California. She's 1 year older than the estimate, and 3 inches taller. There is no mention of a tattoo on Jane Doe, unfortunately it may have been on a part of the body that was no longer visible.

Although it is a really bad photo of Joyce it does match the sketch really well.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/EMcDowell.jpg
Jane Doe on Left, Evelyn Joyce McDowell on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/871dfca.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/871dfca.html)

Evelyn Joyce McDowell
Missing since January 19, 1984 from Woodland, Yolo County, California.
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
* Date Of Birth: September 28, 1962
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5" (165 cm); 115 lbs. (52 kg)
* Dentals: Available.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
* Tattoos: Tattoo on left shoulder of a small blue heart.
* Clothing: Blue denim jeans, dark oxford shoes, light colored shirt, and possibly a blue jacket.
* Dentals: Available
* AKA: Joyce McDowell

Circumstances of Disappearance
McDowell was last seen in front of the Yolo County Social Services office on West Main St. in Woodland, CA on January 19, 1984.

mysteriew
12-26-2005, 05:10 PM
Wow, that sketch is almost a dead ringer for McDowell. The only difference I see is the lips. And like I said, I don't think in the reconstruct that the lips look right, like maybe the calculations are a bit off. It is less noticable in the sketch.

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 05:15 PM
I have trouble with the sketch and reconstruction too.... both representations show someone much older than the estimated 17-20 age.

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 05:30 PM
Lisa Marie would have been 17 years old in 1984. She is listed as having red hair - so the reddish brown description for Jane Doe matches. I think the faces really match. Problem is Lisa Marie is listed as 5'8" which is 6 inches taller than Jane Doe!


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/LSexton.jpg
Jane Doe on left, Lisa Marie Sexton on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/4dfoh.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/4dfoh.html)

Lisa Marie Sexton
Missing since May 1, 1981 from Elyria, Lorain County, Ohio.
Classification: Endangered Missing

# Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: May 10, 1966
# Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
# Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8" (173 cm); 125 lbs (57 kg)
# Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair; blue eyes.
# Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her left cheek.
# Dentals: Available. Her teeth were in near-perfect condition at the time of her disappearance.
# Other: DNA available.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Sexton left her Ohio home on May 1, 1981 with her boyfriend, a known drug dealer. He later returned without her and is since deceased. Sexton was last known to be in Tampa, Florida and may have traveled to Mexico. Her mother told authorities that she last heard from her daughter in 1984.

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 05:41 PM
Sally was last seen in February so she'd have enough time to travel to Florida, from California. She's 6 years older than the estimated age, and 2" taller.


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL2.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/SSchneider1.jpg
Jane Doe on left, Sally Anne Schneider on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/745dfca.html
(http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/745dfca.html)
Sally Anne Schneider
Missing since February 18, 1984 from San Anselmo, Marin County, California.
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
* Date Of Birth: May 6, 1957
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 26 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 130 pounds
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes.
* Clothing: Grey tweed jacket, purple blouse, plaid purple pants, blue canvas shoes.
* Dentals: Available

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 05:53 PM
It might just be the photo of Kimberley but I thought she looked a lot like the sketch. She disappeared a full year before though. She is 1" shorter and two years older than the estimated age. Also she would have had to travel from Maryland to Florida.


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/KMileo.jpg
Jane Doe on left, Kimberly Christine Mileo on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/588dfmd.html
(http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/588dfmd.html)
Kimberly Christine Mileo
Missing since June 9, 1983 from Croom, Prince Georges County, Maryland.
Classification: Endangered Missing

# Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: June 12, 1962
# Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
# Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'11; 98 lbs.
# Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown, shoulder length hair; brown eyes. Slender build.
# Clothing: Mileo was last seen wearing a white tube top, black shorts, white sandals, and was carrying a white wind breaker jacket.

mysteriew
12-26-2005, 06:09 PM
The fact that she was dressed in a t shirt and nightshirt is a little confusing.
But the night shirt makes me think she was either abducted from home at night, or she was homeless.
Ronnings pattern seems to have been to abduct the women and take them back to his "comfort zone" somewhere in the woods near his homes. There isn't enough info in the article to show any patterns about where he abducts them. The article posted in the crime news may show more. I will check it.

mysteriew
12-26-2005, 06:18 PM
Melissa Jackson, 16, who disappeared from a Grand Prairie apartment building in Aug. 12, 1983.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/121005dntexproducer.10c08aa3.html
No mention on the others, of where he abducted them from. I would guess though that since his pattern of dumping is so strong, that probably his pattern of abduction would also be similiar.

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 06:21 PM
Josephine fits the profile almost exactly.... except she disappeared from Oklahoma 6 months before Jane Doe was found in Florida.


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL2.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/JCogburn.jpg
Jane Doe on left, Josephine Yvette Cogburn on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/98dfok.html
(http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/98dfok.html)
Josephine Yvette Cogburn
Missing since October 2, 1983 from Broken Bow, McCurtain County, Oklahoma.
Classification: Non-Family Abduction

# Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: April 10, 1967
# Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
# Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'1"; 128 pounds
# Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Josephine and her younger sister, Joyce, were staying with an adult male friend of their family in October 1983. The friend claims that both Josephine and her sister ran away from him. Neither girl has been seen or heard from since. Police suspect that foul play was involved.

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 06:27 PM
Patricia is 3" taller and 5 years older than the estimates for Jane Doe


http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/PLKelley.jpg
Jane Doe on left, Patricia Louise Kelley on right

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1785dftn.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1785dftn.html)

Patricia Louise Kelley
Missing since August 19, 1983 from Cleveland, Bradley County, Tennessee
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 25 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 135 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Patricia Kelley was last seen on August 19, 1983, at a residence on Wildwood Avenue, Cleveland, Tennessee. She may have traveled to High Springs or Cross City, Florida but nothing surfaced to indicate foul play in her disappearance. She has two daughters that were left behind

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 06:30 PM
I'm going to stop here for now....

I originally thought I wouldn't find many matches to the composite - wow was I wrong... I could actually continue as there are more... but no exact matches.

I agree about the clothing... it seems that it was very casual attire.....

PonderingThings
12-26-2005, 06:53 PM
One more thing... there are 2 people on the Doe Network that are listed as missing from Ocala National Forest, plus our Jane Doe and a John Doe.... oddly enough 2 of the people have the same face shape (specifically the chin) as Jane Doe.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/281UMFL.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/126UFFL.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/PNater.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/NLeichner1.jpg
Number 1 2 3 4

Photo #1
Unidentified Man, suicide, 1997
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281umfl.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281umfl.html)

Photo #2
Unidentified Jane Doe, Homicide, 1984
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/126uffl.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/126uffl.html)

Photo #3
Pamela Ann Nater
Missing since October 2, 1966, Disappearance
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1497dffl.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1497dffl.html)

Photo #4
Nancy Leichner
Missing since October 2, 1966, Disappearance
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1498dffl.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1498dffl.html)
**Note Nancy's face doesn't match the shape, she disappeared with Pamela Ann Nater.


... don't know what it means. Maybe nothing, just coincidence.

mysteriew
12-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Both the sketch and the reconstruction show a broad chin, and heavy or broad jawline. I wonder how close the age estimate is. I have noticed that the jawline seems to get heavier with time, I wonder if this woman could be older than the estimated age. I know they check the growth plates on the skeleton to estimate the age, but there are always the persons who fall outside the standard specs. She was somewhat short, so maybe she was a late bloomer who hadn't had her final growth spurt yet.

chaddylex
01-21-2010, 02:58 PM
I also asked if this could be a possible match to Lisa Marie Sexton which is in the cold case thread but didn't get a response from anyone. I figured I would move it here.


https://identifyus.org/cases/6037

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html



The victim was discovered on April 14, 1984 in Altoona, Lake County, Florida
Estimated Date of Death: 2-4 weeks prior to discovery
Partially skeletonized Remains, advanced state of decomposition
Cause of Death was Homicide


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Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 17-20 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 60.5-61.5"; weight unknown
Distinguishing Characteristics: Reddish brown hair; unknown eye color
Dentals: Available
Clothing: Wrangler blue jeans; tan canvas shoes with blue trim; tan panties with brown trim; black t-shirt with "Here Comes Trouble"; a white or cream beach shirt or night shirt with "Have You Kissed Your Child Tonight". 15 inch metal necklace chain.
Fingerprints: Available


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Case History
The victim was located in a wooded area off of a foot path, off a dirt road, approximately 3 miles north of Highway 42 and approximately 1/4 mile east of Highway 19, in the Lake Dorr Recreation area, in Ocala National Forest.



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Missing since May 1, 1981 from Elyria, Lorain County, Ohio.
Classification: Endangered Missing



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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: May 10, 1966
Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8" (173 cm); 125 lbs (57 kg)
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair; blue eyes.
Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her left cheek.
Dentals: Available. Her teeth were in near-perfect condition at the time of her disappearance.
Other: DNA available.


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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4dfoh.html

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sexton_lisa.html

Circumstances of Disappearance
Sexton left her Ohio home on May 1, 1981 with her boyfriend, a known drug dealer. He later returned without her and is since deceased. Sexton was last known to be in Tampa, Florida and may have traveled to Mexico. Her mother told authorities that she last heard from her daughter in 1984.

Lisa's mom last spoke with her in 1984 - UID was found in April 1984/ UID Time of Death was 2-4 wks prior
Last known to be in Tampa Florida, UID was found in Altoona FL (which is about a two hr drive)
Look at the hair part to Lisa and the UID... I think it looks the same...
In 1984 Lisa would have been 17 - The UID is listed to be between 17-20 yr old - Hair color matches up also (or close)
The only thing that makes me wonder is the height. Lisa's height is listed at
5'8, The UID on The Doe Network is listed at 5" - 5'1 and the UID on Namus is listed at 5'6 and it is estimated...

Please Give me feedback! I would really appreciate it!

jessunlil
01-21-2010, 03:22 PM
I definitely see some similarity between the reconstruction of the UID and Lisa. The boyfriend's ties to Florida are also interesting.

I think it would be worth finding out if these two were ever compared.

I noticed on the Doe Network page they list Lisa's height as 5'8" & then as 173 cm. I plugged 173 cm into an online coversion thingie and it converted to 5.6758530184 feet. That's less than 5'8".
The height inconsistencies through all reports make me think you can't rely on the height as the decider here.

Snufamonbobball
01-21-2010, 03:56 PM
I definitely see some similarity between the reconstruction of the UID and Lisa. The boyfriend's ties to Florida are also interesting.

I think it would be worth finding out if these two were ever compared.

I noticed on the Doe Network page they list Lisa's height as 5'8" & then as 173 cm. I plugged 173 cm into an online coversion thingie and it converted to 5.6758530184 feet. That's less than 5'8".
The height inconsistencies through all reports make me think you can't rely on the height as the decider here.

I agree.

chaddylex
01-21-2010, 04:08 PM
I agree with the height issue too..

I am going to contact the person listed on the Namus site to see if they were compared before.

Let you know if I hear anything back!

chaddylex
01-22-2010, 09:36 AM
I received an email back from Dona Faber from Marion County who is in charge of this case:

Dear Janell- I spoke with the Lake County Sheriff’s office in reference to your e-mail and connection to Lisa Sexton and I was advised by Assistant Inv. Lynn DeWitt that this person and the unknown had already been compared and it was not a match.

Thanks and sorry,

Dona


Man, who are all these unidentified people and where are all these missing people???

dsntslp
11-12-2010, 12:52 AM
Fresh link to UID (archived DOE Network)

http://web.archive.org/web/20061007035431/doenetwork.us/cases/126uffl.html

4 reconstruction pic boxes with red "x", were there ever any there?
This is when I wish the pic's were just copied and pasted to here.
So many broken links, sad.

Jubble
11-12-2010, 01:28 AM
Fresh link to UID (archived DOE Network)

http://web.archive.org/web/20061007035431/doenetwork.us/cases/126uffl.html

4 reconstruction pic boxes with red "x", were there ever any there?
This is when I wish the pic's were just copied and pasted to here.
So many broken links, sad.

Here is the current doe link.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html

dsntslp
11-12-2010, 01:38 AM
Thanks Jubble, truly.

I wonder where Gary Hilton was during this time frame, camping in the area maybe?

masnitram
11-12-2010, 04:52 PM
Her Namus file is here: https://identifyus.org/cases/6037

Namus has her recovered on 4/18/1984
Doenetwork says 4/14/1984

Something about Darlene Tucker from Ontario caught my attention and made me think of this UID. Can't put my finger on it....but FWIW.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/246dfon.html

Same with Launa Merritt from New York

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2447dfny.html

lieber32
11-12-2010, 08:47 PM
The fact that she was dressed in a t shirt and nightshirt is a little confusing.
But the night shirt makes me think she was either abducted from home at night, or she was homeless.
Ronnings pattern seems to have been to abduct the women and take them back to his "comfort zone" somewhere in the woods near his homes. There isn't enough info in the article to show any patterns about where he abducts them. The article posted in the crime news may show more. I will check it.

I read the article and the one thing that popped out was its more expensive to execute a suspect/offender then offer them life without parole. I actually have experience debating this topic (mind you I had a partial debate scholarhip in college) and this sadly is true. Also criminals statistically are more likely to reveal information if they can enter a plea of guilty without parole then the death sentence (my dad is a retired lawyer) so this is an issue I am familiar with. Because our court systems are so overwhelmed with cases it is better to plea bargain then go to trial. I know that from personal experience and through my education as a Sociology Masters. Sadly in my personal opinion and life experience it means some very dangerous people are allowed to roam our streets.

webrocket
11-12-2010, 09:29 PM
has anyone submitted any possible matches and does anyone know if there are any known rule outs on this case? there are none listed at Namus.

Kimster
01-26-2012, 02:58 AM
The victim was discovered on April 14, 1984 in Altoona, Lake County, Florida
Estimated Date of Death: 2-4 weeks prior to discovery
Partially skeletonized Remains, advanced state of decomposition
Cause of Death was Homicide

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 17-20 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 60.5-61.5"; weight unknown
Distinguishing Characteristics: Reddish brown hair; unknown eye color
Dentals: Available
Clothing: Wrangler blue jeans; tan canvas shoes with blue trim; tan panties with brown trim; black t-shirt with "Here Comes Trouble"; a white or cream beach shirt or night shirt with "Have You Kissed Your Child Tonight". 15 inch metal necklace chain.
Fingerprints: Available

Case History
The victim was located in a wooded area off of a foot path, off a dirt road, approximately 3 miles north of Highway 42 and approximately 1/4 mile east of Highway 19, in the Lake Dorr Recreation area, in Ocala National Forest.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/126UFFL1.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html

Kimster
01-26-2012, 03:21 AM
Elizabeth Kenyan has the hair, but that's about it.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/images/EKenyon.jpg
http://doenetwork.org/cases/images/EKenyon.jpg

http://doenetwork.org/cases/1215dffl.html

traacker13
02-01-2012, 05:24 PM
I think she resembles Terrie Lynn Hefner in some ways...

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/116dftx.html

Irish_Eyes
03-13-2012, 12:52 AM
Just saw an episode of "Disappeared" about the disappearance of Colleen Orsborn. Colleen was later found deceased, although she would not be identified for 20+ years.

This case was briefly touched on in that show, because when this Doe was found, it was at first thought that she could be Colleen. So I'm guessing they died at around the same time.

The show laid out some compelling reasons why Colleen is thought by many to be a victim of Christopher Wilder, including the fact that Wilder was staying in a hotel in Daytona, where Colleen lived, the day she disappeared and checked out the next day. So could this girl be a Wilder victim?? Maybe.

Also, famed coroner Dr. Jan G. explained on the show that the original coroner's autopsy and subsequent investigation into the remains later identified as Orsborn was shoddy and did not follow proper protocols, which is why she was unidentified for so long. I do not know whether they were found in the same county, or whether the same coroner did the autopsy on both girls, but if so, it may just be that some of what we know is wrong or incomplete.

Finally, one of the Florida detectives they interviewed on the show explained that in those days a lot of runaways ended up in Daytona. He seemed to suggest that many came from places like Maryland, New Jersey, New Hampshire, and that general New England area, but certainly didn't say they came exclusively from there.

Orsborn disappeared during Spring Break in Daytona. If this girl died around the same time, she could have been a Spring Break visitor also, although usually you would think if that was the case she would have been there with friends who would have reported her missing. But I'm wondering if she could have stayed at the same hotel as Wilder.

ETA: On the show they showed the clothing this Doe was wearing and I tried to commit them to memory because I didn't remember seeing them before. The "Here Comes Trouble" T-shirt was gray with all different color letters making up the words. The other shirt/night shirt, I can't remember the background color but it was light - white or yellow or pink, maybe, and I think the letters on that shirt were also all different colors.

Shin Masamura
06-06-2012, 12:41 PM
It is said that they belive a serial killer is responsible for this Jane does death..

http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller_news/R/RONNING_michael.php

Ms Suzanne
06-06-2012, 02:19 PM
This is another Jane Doe I've been looking into for a long time now.Do they have DNA and mtDNA on this Jane Doe?

Ms Suzanne
06-06-2012, 02:35 PM
I found this on DNA.Did they ever get DNA or planning on getting DNA on this Jane Doe?

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6037

CluelessWonder
04-21-2013, 11:56 PM
I just posted on the Emma Vaughn thread about a possible connection. Then I noticed on Ms Suzanne's post that there is a link, and it provides dental record information.

It appears that both the Jane Doe and Emma had a chipped front tooth. You can see it here for Emma.

http://www.cityoforlando.net/police/missing/IMAGES/Photos/EmmaVaughnAge12.jpg

CarlK90245
04-22-2013, 12:28 AM
The chart indicates that the Jane Doe's upper-left-front (I.e., #9) tooth was missing antemortem, not chipped.

That's not necessarily inconsistent though, because Emma could have lost the chipped tooth after that photo was taken.

CluelessWonder
04-22-2013, 01:15 AM
The chart indicates that the Jane Doe's upper-left-front (I.e., #9) tooth was missing antemortem, not chipped.

That's not necessarily inconsistent though, because Emma could have lost the chipped tooth after that photo was taken.

I noticed that it said removed. But it's close enough to pique my interest. They might have misidentified it as completely missing. Or she might have had it removed completely during the 18 or so months that she was away from home.

carbuff
04-22-2013, 08:55 PM
I noticed that it said removed. But it's close enough to pique my interest. They might have misidentified it as completely missing. Or she might have had it removed completely during the 18 or so months that she was away from home.

A chip like that can be very painful and decays easily. If she couldn't afford a proper cap, she might have had it pulled.

CluelessWonder
05-05-2013, 10:05 PM
A chip like that can be very painful and decays easily. If she couldn't afford a proper cap, she might have had it pulled.

I hope someone checks on a match. I think the Jane Doe really looks like this girl.

emma l
05-08-2013, 05:03 AM
Called it in. I'll let you know when I hear anything.

killarney rose
05-08-2013, 08:27 AM
Just seeing this thread.

Nader and Leichner are not matches. I remember their case well.its been almost 50 years since they went missing. This is the first missing person case I ever heard of as a child and I was fascinated with it. And terrified at the same time.

I think colleens case illustrates that this girl could have been taken from some other area of central fl and dumped where she was found. Colleen was found out near kississimmee (I think) but she went missing from Daytona.

I wonder where Oba Chandler was at the time UID was murdered and found?

emma l
05-09-2013, 08:56 AM
Called it in. I'll let you know when I hear anything.


OK Re:
Jane Doe http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html
Agency Case Number:
84-04-1983; MA-151/ME-373
NCIC Number:
U-290018322

And possible match to

Emma Lorene Vaughn http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/689dffl.html
Agency Case Number: 47268L
NCMEC #: NCMC905680
NCIC Number: M121662608

Had a reply from Lake County Florida PD saying they had received my email and would look into it just now.

Miriam851
05-10-2013, 12:00 AM
this rings bingo! i think this could really be her!

CluelessWonder
05-12-2013, 11:13 PM
OK Re:
Jane Doe http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html
Agency Case Number:
84-04-1983; MA-151/ME-373
NCIC Number:
U-290018322

And possible match to

Emma Lorene Vaughn http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/689dffl.html
Agency Case Number: 47268L
NCMEC #: NCMC905680
NCIC Number: M121662608

Had a reply from Lake County Florida PD saying they had received my email and would look into it just now.

Great. I hope they get something that leads to answers for family members and possibly justice for the deceased.

Miriam851
06-18-2013, 05:07 AM
anyone heard any updates of this case???

chaddylex
06-18-2013, 09:32 AM
Here is a side by side of the UID and Emma

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The county where the UID was found (Lake) is a county right next to where Emma went missing from (Orange)

I contacted Dona Faber before about this UID when I thought Lisa Sexton could be a match, she got right back to me.

Miriam851
06-22-2013, 06:01 AM
This seems to be clearly her to me. The mouth, the nose, the face structure and the hair, makes my arm hair stand up...
i have contacted Dona Faber before too about Launa Merrit. I believe her email address is no longer listed though...I am going to check if i have her email saved and i will ask her about Emma Vaughn

Claudette
11-04-2013, 12:26 AM
bumping - anything new?

carbuff
12-09-2013, 09:41 PM
Looks like Emma Vaughn has been ruled out:

Frankie Hurst 1989 South Carolina
Emma Vaughn 1967 Florida

https://identifyus.org/cases/6037

CluelessWonder
12-10-2013, 12:33 AM
Looks like Emma Vaughn has been ruled out:

Frankie Hurst 1989 South Carolina
Emma Vaughn 1967 Florida

https://identifyus.org/cases/6037

I guess that means they definitely checked into it.

carbuff
12-10-2013, 01:00 PM
I guess that means they definitely checked into it.

Yes, and quite promptly, too. And they updated Namus. Kudos all around :)

emma l
12-11-2013, 02:52 AM
Yes. Thanks for spotting. I'm so glad they looked into it anyway.

angel14437
04-18-2014, 12:01 PM
On the 30th anniversary of being found an angel. I am hoping that you get your name back soon!

jjohnston0827
07-16-2014, 04:58 PM
What about Rosario Teresa Gonzales? Auburn hair matches the UID (reddish-brown), and she was 20 years old. Height is 5" off and weight is slightly off, but that could be due to the fact that the UID was skeletal. She doesn't have a NamUs, her Charley Project page listed below.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gonzales_rosario.html

Am I missing something that would definitely rule her out?

Houston Mom
12-15-2014, 04:55 PM
Taking a fresh look at this Jane. NMEC states "She was missing two upper teeth; some of her remaining teeth were discolored reddish-purple" and "female's hair was light brown, fine, and straight".

http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1184243/1#poster

This led me to Ashley Higgins missing Nov 1982, blondish hair, 5'2", 120lbs, and having two false front teeth. Age 20-21.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17651/4/