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feenix
12-26-2005, 07:16 PM
Hello to you all and a Merry Christmas! :)
I am a first time poster on here so please have patience, be gentle and welcome me!!
I can see that I am nowhere near as knowledgeable as the rest of you on this case, I only know what I have read in books, websites, and mostly on this forum, I have never seen anything aired on TV here in the UK on this........... so hope you will still welcome me with little knowledge on this??
I find it almost impossible to believe that these murders were committed to these 2 little boys and Darlies attack, whilst Darrin was sleeping.
They didn't live in a 15 bedroom mansion, it's not like he was sleeping on the West wing and she was sleeping in the lounge in the East wing, he was only upstairs............ or was he??? I do not believe that Darrin didn't hear anything untoward that night, those poor babies must have cried for help and cried in pain.
You would have to be some deep sleeper not to have heard anything, and if he was such a deep sleeper, what use would he be looking after baby Drake that night if he wasn't even going to be able to wake up if Drake cried in his cot in the night. So in effect, if Darrin didn't hear anything because he slept so soundly, maybe the so called 'intruder' could have even entered the bedroom and he still wouldn't have woken up...... I don't think so!!

texassnuboots
12-26-2005, 10:19 PM
Welcome to the Boards. Merry Christmas to you as well. You have posed a great question. The ones here on the boards who have far more knowledge about this than I do, will I am sure answer your question to much greater clarity than I ever could. I am posting to state that I, too, have wondered the same thing about Darin. I don't claim to have any inside info on his sleeping patterns, whether he was taking medication like benadryl or sleeping capsules, whether he woke up several times during the nights, or whatever, but my opinion is that he was a heavy sleeper and that Darlie was the one who got up with Drake at night. I believe that (IF Darin was in bed asleep) that he awoke and came downstairs before the bruhaha was over and landed in the middle of it. On the 911 tape, a poster here or on another board, pointed out that in the background Darin can be heard saying "give me the knife", so I think he is guilty of cutting the screen with the bread knife or of taking the butcher knife and finishing off the job to Damon. He could have taken the sock down the alley. BTW: I have listened to the 911 call hundreds of times and have never actually heard the "knife" part. I have heard, or thought I heard, the "give me" part supposedly said by Darin. IMO, if Darin has any culpability, it's limited and certainly not to the extent that Darlie is culpable. JMO

Goody
12-26-2005, 10:51 PM
Hello to you all and a Merry Christmas! :) I am a first time poster on here so please have patience, be gentle and welcome me!!
Merry Christmas and welcome aboard, Miss Tracey. Glad to have you here.



I can see that I am nowhere near as knowledgeable as the rest of you on this case, I only know what I have read in books, websites, and mostly on this forum, I have never seen anything aired on TV here in the UK on this........... so hope you will still welcome me with little knowledge on this??
The best website is justicefordarlie.net. They have the transcripts and a lot of documentation they don't have at Darlie's site, esp things like state exhibits, etc.



I find it almost impossible to believe that these murders were committed to these 2 little boys and Darlies attack, whilst Darrin was sleeping.
They didn't live in a 15 bedroom mansion, it's not like he was sleeping on the West wing and she was sleeping in the lounge in the East wing, he was only upstairs............ or was he??? I do not believe that Darrin didn't hear anything untoward that night, those poor babies must have cried for help and cried in pain.
They tested the sound in the house and discovered that cries for help could not be heard if the master bedroom door was closed. As I understand it, there was a set of doors at the top of the stairs that would have further blocked noise.


You would have to be some deep sleeper not to have heard anything, and if he was such a deep sleeper, what use would he be looking after baby Drake that night if he wasn't even going to be able to wake up if Drake cried in his cot in the night. So in effect, if Darrin didn't hear anything because he slept so soundly, maybe the so called 'intruder' could have even entered the bedroom and he still wouldn't have woken up...... I don't think so!!
I have a hard time believing Darin was in a sound sleep at that time, too. He would have only been in bed about an hour before the crime took place, which is his story as I recall. I am not sure a person can go into a deep, deep sleep that fast.

However, he was a man and men don't pay a lot of attention to a lot of things. For some, a bomb could go off and they'd just think that the wife would take care of it whatever it was and roll over. So I don't know. But if they tested it and screams could not be heard from the family room to the master bedroom, that raises another question. How could he then claim to have heard the breaking glass?

He says the breaking glass is the first thing he remembers hearing. I have never believed he could hear that upstairs but the sound of it seems to have left such an impression on him that I have felt that he was downstairs when the glass broke. That pretty much eliminates an intruder.

beesy
12-27-2005, 01:40 AM
Well you finally got here! See everyone is nice. I'm burned out from rambling on another thread, but this is a great topic. Basically I agree with Goody. :blowkiss:

Dani_T
12-27-2005, 03:21 AM
I am not sure a person can go into a deep, deep sleep that fast.

Interestingly I've heard your deepest period of sleep (REM) is in your first half an hour of sleep.

Don't forget they did the glass test and they discovered that Darin could not have heard the glass breaking from his bedroom. That has two implications
1) he lied when he said it is what woke him
2) if he couldn't hear the glass break it is doubtful he would have heard much of what went on down there

I don't think the boys would have made much noise to be honest, and she could have muffled their voices anyway.

feenix
12-27-2005, 05:59 AM
Merry Christmas and welcome aboard, Miss Tracey. Glad to have you here.



The best website is justicefordarlie.net. They have the transcripts and a lot of documentation they don't have at Darlie's site, esp things like state exhibits, etc.




They tested the sound in the house and discovered that cries for help could not be heard if the master bedroom door was closed. As I understand it, there was a set of doors at the top of the stairs that would have further blocked noise.


I have a hard time believing Darin was in a sound sleep at that time, too. He would have only been in bed about an hour before the crime took place, which is his story as I recall. I am not sure a person can go into a deep, deep sleep that fast.

However, he was a man and men don't pay a lot of attention to a lot of things. For some, a bomb could go off and they'd just think that the wife would take care of it whatever it was and roll over. So I don't know. But if they tested it and screams could not be heard from the family room to the master bedroom, that raises another question. How could he then claim to have heard the breaking glass?

He says the breaking glass is the first thing he remembers hearing. I have never believed he could hear that upstairs but the sound of it seems to have left such an impression on him that I have felt that he was downstairs when the glass broke. That pretty much eliminates an intruder. I understand what you're saying, my husband can be snoring before the lights are even out (not a lovely sound and grounds for divorce I reckon)!!! That was a joke by the way!! I wasn't aware there had been sound tests carried out, therefore as you say, how did he hear the breaking glass, was the glass dropped on the carpet or a hard floor? I thought I read that Darrin said the first thing he knew anything when was when Darlie was screaming for him to come down?

feenix
12-27-2005, 06:11 AM
Well you finally got here! See everyone is nice. I'm burned out from rambling on another thread, but this is a great topic. Basically I agree with Goody. :blowkiss:
Thank you Beesy for all your help, I am struggling with how to reply to you all, so if you'll bear with me till I get it right!! Ha Ha I just replied to Goody but not sure if I actually replied to myself! This is going to be so much fun!!! :blushing:

Jeana (DP)
12-27-2005, 10:16 AM
Welcome to the forum Tracey

beesy
12-27-2005, 12:44 PM
Thank you Beesy for all your help, I am struggling with how to reply to you all, so if you'll bear with me till I get it right!! Ha Ha I just replied to Goody but not sure if I actually replied to myself! This is going to be so much fun!!! :blushing:You're doing fine. You replied to Goody.

Goody
12-29-2005, 11:45 PM
I understand what you're saying, my husband can be snoring before the lights are even out (not a lovely sound and grounds for divorce I reckon)!!! That was a joke by the way!! I wasn't aware there had been sound tests carried out, therefore as you say, how did he hear the breaking glass, was the glass dropped on the carpet or a hard floor? I thought I read that Darrin said the first thing he knew anything when was when Darlie was screaming for him to come down?
He said the first thing he heard was the breaking of glass, then a few minutes later (or seconds)....Darlie screaming, Devon, Devon, Devon!

I think if he heard the glass break, he had to be downstairs when the glass fell (it fell on the vinyl floor of the kitchen). If he was downstairs when the glass fell, he had to be downstairs when the crime or part of it was committed. That means he either interrupted the crime or was downstairs all along, a part of the planning of it.

Bottom line, he could not have heard the glass break from upstairs and that means he is lying about it. Why would he lie about it? Because he wants to place himself upstairs when the crime occurs so that he won't have to answer hard questions that might trip him up. Same reason Darlie had to position herself in a sleep or amnesiac state....so that they couldn't ask her hard questions that might trip her up along the way. I find it very interesting that they BOTH have the same basic alibi...I was sleeping when the crime took place so I can't tell you anything about how it happened. That hardly seems accidental to me. Coincidences in murder cases sometimes do occur but more often than not, they are created by the perps. I don't see any reason to believe this one is any different.

michelle
12-29-2005, 11:52 PM
my son got sick and threw up the other night and my hubby was sleeping in the living room since my son was in our bed with me, well he started screaming while he was throwing up and let me tell you its a good distance from the living room to bedroom and the door was shut and hubby had a fan on and i never seen him run so fast in my life and he is a sound sleeper, there is something about your child crying out that i am sorry any parent can hear...

Goody
12-30-2005, 12:16 AM
my son got sick and threw up the other night and my hubby was sleeping in the living room since my son was in our bed with me, well he started screaming while he was throwing up and let me tell you its a good distance from the living room to bedroom and the door was shut and hubby had a fan on and i never seen him run so fast in my life and he is a sound sleeper, there is something about your child crying out that i am sorry any parent can hear...
I agree. I don't personally believe Darin was even upstairs when this happened. I think he was downstairs when the glass broke and he was so amazed at how loud it sounded in the silent house that he THOUGHT he would be able to hear it upstairs and that is why he has it in his story. Then the tests come along and prove him wrong, so what does he do? Holds onto the story. He can't change it at that point, so maintains he heard the glass break and then Darlie's screams. But even that does not match her story.

She claims the glass broke when she was still on the couch. She gets up then and follows the intruder through the kitchen, stops at the kitchen entry to tell Damon to lay down, and goes across the kitchen and stops near the uility room door, goes back across the kitchen and turns on the light, then goes back to thru the kitchen, picks up the knife and carries it to the counter where she puts it down, then sees her own wounds in a mirror, and then turns to see Devon across the family room which is still dark, and runs to the stairway to call for Darin.

Darin describes a very brief period between the glass breaking and Darlie's screams. Darlie fits an awful lot of stuff into that period. So maybe Darin's timing is off? Could be but still his statements are suspicious to me.

michelle
12-30-2005, 12:22 AM
I agree. I don't personally believe Darin was even upstairs when this happened. I think he was downstairs when the glass broke and he was so amazed at how loud it sounded in the silent house that he THOUGHT he would be able to hear it upstairs and that is why he has it in his story. Then the tests come along and prove him wrong, so what does he do? Holds onto the story. He can't change it at that point, so maintains he heard the glass break and then Darlie's screams. But even that does not match her story.

She claims the glass broke when she was still on the couch. She gets up then and follows the intruder through the kitchen, stops at the kitchen entry to tell Damon to lay down, and goes across the kitchen and stops near the uility room door, goes back across the kitchen and turns on the light, then goes back to thru the kitchen, picks up the knife and carries it to the counter where she puts it down, then sees her own wounds in a mirror, and then turns to see Devon across the family room which is still dark, and runs to the stairway to call for Darin.

Darin describes a very brief period between the glass breaking and Darlie's screams. Darlie fits an awful lot of stuff into that period. So maybe Darin's timing is off? Could be but still his statements are suspicious to me.
i used to think she was innocent and since i have been lurking here i have changed back and forth, but one thing i think is if darlie did it i think darin helped....Just my opinion....i dont think she did it by herself..

Goody
12-30-2005, 12:44 AM
i used to think she was innocent and since i have been lurking here i have changed back and forth, but one thing i think is if darlie did it i think darin helped....Just my opinion....i dont think she did it by herself..
I don't either. I don't know if it was something he could have stopped or not, but I do believe he is much more involved than he claims. I think that is why he is so loyal to Darlie, why he hasn't tried to move on with his life....fear that if he does, she will tell what his part actually was.

Dani_T
12-30-2005, 01:40 AM
[color=darkolivegreen][b]I agree. I don't personally believe Darin was even upstairs when this happened. I think he was downstairs when the glass broke and he was so amazed at how loud it sounded in the silent house that he THOUGHT he would be able to hear it upstairs and that is why he has it in his story.

Or Darlie told him the glass broke as the intruder went out (and we've been through the probability of a glass coming off that wine rack from a jostle dozens of times and it is IMHO unrealistic anyway) and Darin, wanting to help Darlie and support her story (thinking she is innocent) factored it into his. Or else maybe something did really wake him up out of a dead sleep that night and he later put two and two together and thought it must have been the breaking glass.


Darin describes a very brief period between the glass breaking and Darlie's screams. Darlie fits an awful lot of stuff into that period. So maybe Darin's timing is off? Could be but still his statements are suspicious to me.\

Despite all Darlie says happened I don't think it would have taken too long... 30 seconds maybe? She doesn't follow the intruder out or anything. She just stops at the entry to the U-room picks up the knife and then walks back to the living room area.

Dani_T
12-30-2005, 01:43 AM
I don't either. I don't know if it was something he could have stopped or not, but I do believe he is much more involved than he claims. I think that is why he is so loyal to Darlie, why he hasn't tried to move on with his life....fear that if he does, she will tell what his part actually was.

I'm not sure I interpret his behaviour in recent years as loyalty to Darlie as such. He's been very quiet (after being quote vocal at the beginning) and we don't really know how he has (if he has) moved on anyway.

In any case. even if he hasn't moved on I don't think it is necessarily out of loyalty to Darlie. He could be absolutely paralysed with guilt. His two boys are dead and the world claims his wide did it. If he believes she is guilty then I imagine he would be eating himself up inside thinking he could have saved his boys lives. And if he does believe she is guilty then he has no reason to be speaking up at the moment- she's behind bars on death row. When it WILL become interesting is if any of the appeals make some headway (particularly the finger which is starting to be pointed in his direction)

deanws
12-30-2005, 02:52 AM
i used to think she was innocent and since i have been lurking here i have changed back and forth, but one thing i think is if darlie did it i think darin helped....Just my opinion....i dont think she did it by herself..I don't either Michelle.:doh:

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 10:23 AM
I don't either. I don't know if it was something he could have stopped or not, but I do believe he is much more involved than he claims. I think that is why he is so loyal to Darlie, why he hasn't tried to move on with his life....fear that if he does, she will tell what his part actually was.


Goody! Its because he LOOOOOVVVVVVEEEESSSSS her. :D

j2mirish
12-30-2005, 10:47 AM
I don't either. I don't know if it was something he could have stopped or not, but I do believe he is much more involved than he claims. I think that is why he is so loyal to Darlie, why he hasn't tried to move on with his life....fear that if he does, she will tell what his part actually was.
I think he helped her cover it up, but I just cannot believe if he actually had a part in the killing...SHE would sit there on death row and not spill her guts out--there is no way she would take the entire rap byherself- ,if she wasnt the sole killer- as a matter of fact, I am amazed she didnt sya he had a part in it , even if he didnt..just to get back at him-

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 10:59 AM
I think he helped her cover it up, but I just cannot believe if he actually had a part in the killing...SHE would sit there on death row and not spill her guts out--there is no way she would take the entire rap byherself- ,if she wasnt the sole killer- as a matter of fact, I am amazed she didnt sya he had a part in it , even if he didnt..just to get back at him-


Did you see the look on her face when they arrested her???? I don't think she EVER thought she'd get convicted. I think she actually believed they'd acquit her. Once that was done, she had to stick to her story. It would depend on what she says he did, but there would have to be some serious corroborating evidence before they'd even arrested him, much less put him on trial. If I were him, I'd go and talk to an attorney and tell her everything that happened - the truth - from the first minute until now. He may be able to actually stop being scared about what Darlie knows about him and honestly move on. Who knows, he may even sell the movie that he was interested in and make some money. With what he knows, someone may actually be interested in making it.

michelle
12-30-2005, 11:34 AM
Did you see the look on her face when they arrested her???? I don't think she EVER thought she'd get convicted. I think she actually believed they'd acquit her. Once that was done, she had to stick to her story. It would depend on what she says he did, but there would have to be some serious corroborating evidence before they'd even arrested him, much less put him on trial. If I were him, I'd go and talk to an attorney and tell her everything that happened - the truth - from the first minute until now. He may be able to actually stop being scared about what Darlie knows about him and honestly move on. Who knows, he may even sell the movie that he was interested in and make some money. With what he knows, someone may actually be interested in making it.
darin seems to be obsessed with darlie, i swear i seen and A&E program or one of those shows and he was like " look at her, she is so beautiful anyone could have done this to her" man is he nuts!! His freaking kids were stabbed to death and all he can say is look at her, what a jerk!!!

j2mirish
12-30-2005, 01:21 PM
Did you see the look on her face when they arrested her???? I don't think she EVER thought she'd get convicted. I think she actually believed they'd acquit her. Once that was done, she had to stick to her story. It would depend on what she says he did, but there would have to be some serious corroborating evidence before they'd even arrested him, much less put him on trial. If I were him, I'd go and talk to an attorney and tell her everything that happened - the truth - from the first minute until now. He may be able to actually stop being scared about what Darlie knows about him and honestly move on. Who knows, he may even sell the movie that he was interested in and make some money. With what he knows, someone may actually be interested in making it.
ITA she never thought she would be behind bars- but I dont beliveve for one minute, that even if she was told that after the fact, pointing a finger at him would do her no good- she would have still done it...

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 01:30 PM
ITA she never thought she would be behind bars- but I dont beliveve for one minute, that even if she was told that after the fact, pointing a finger at him would do her no good- she would have still done it...


Not while he can guaranty her the needle though!!!! :eek:

j2mirish
12-30-2005, 01:32 PM
Not while he can guaranty her the needle though!!!! :eek:
good point!!!!!!! and that is why I dont think he did any of the killing....she would sing like a bird....but she wouldnt if it was just that he helped her cover it up--that would get her no where, but then he could come clean on the cover up, and confirm he knew she did it--

Jeana (DP)
12-30-2005, 01:41 PM
good point!!!!!!! and that is why I dont think he did any of the killing....she would sing like a bird....but she wouldnt if it was just that he helped her cover it up--that would get her no where, but then he could come clean on the cover up, and confirm he knew she did it--


That's what I think too.

deanws
12-30-2005, 07:41 PM
good point!!!!!!! and that is why I dont think he did any of the killing....she would sing like a bird....but she wouldnt if it was just that he helped her cover it up--that would get her no where, but then he could come clean on the cover up, and confirm he knew she did it--Well I don't agree and I will tell you why. She couldn't say anything about Darin because that would mean she would have to tell on herself. Sure, she is hinting now that he MIGHT be involved but she isn't putting any hard evidence out there. If she says...yes he did it too...then she is giving up on the fact that she will never be free. For some stupid reason, she thinks by implicating him...it makes her look less guilty. The old smoke and mirrors trick. She still thinks that she is going to get a new trial and be found NG. Once she is closer to the needle....and no hope is left, I think she will tell more on him. But, by that time, people will just think she is saying anything so she won't have to go down alone on this. I DO think the SOB is guilty as she is. While I want her to pay...I want Darin right there beside her. :razz: I guess I am just being greedy.

feenix
12-30-2005, 08:24 PM
Well I don't agree and I will tell you why. She couldn't say anything about Darin because that would mean she would have to tell on herself. Sure, she is hinting now that he MIGHT be involved but she isn't putting any hard evidence out there. If she says...yes he did it too...then she is giving up on the fact that she will never be free. For some stupid reason, she thinks by implicating him...it makes her look less guilty. The old smoke and mirrors trick. She still thinks that she is going to get a new trial and be found NG. Once she is closer to the needle....and no hope is left, I think she will tell more on him. But, by that time, people will just think she is saying anything so she won't have to go down alone on this. I DO think the SOB is guilty as she is.
While I want her to pay...I want Darin right there beside her. :razz: I guess I am just being greedy.And I can't help thinking he should be there with her too!!

texassnuboots
12-31-2005, 06:44 AM
darin seems to be obsessed with darlie, i swear i seen and A&E program or one of those shows and he was like " look at her, she is so beautiful anyone could have done this to her" man is he nuts!! His freaking kids were stabbed to death and all he can say is look at her, what a jerk!!!
Sort of bumfluzzling, isn't it?:confused:

texassnuboots
12-31-2005, 06:55 AM
Did you see the look on her face when they arrested her???? I don't think she EVER thought she'd get convicted. I think she actually believed they'd acquit her. Once that was done, she had to stick to her story. It would depend on what she says he did, but there would have to be some serious corroborating evidence before they'd even arrested him, much less put him on trial. If I were him, I'd go and talk to an attorney and tell her everything that happened - the truth - from the first minute until now. He may be able to actually stop being scared about what Darlie knows about him and honestly move on. Who knows, he may even sell the movie that he was interested in and make some money. With what he knows, someone may actually be interested in making it.
It was reported here by several of the local papers that after her arrest when Darin came to visit her before the arraignment, she told him in very forceful language that she did not care how he did it but to get her out of there. Guess he could not move heaven and earth. Her bond was denied.

Goody
01-01-2006, 06:12 PM
.... If I were him, I'd go and talk to an attorney and tell her everything that happened - the truth - from the first minute until now. He may be able to actually stop being scared about what Darlie knows about him and honestly move on. Who knows, he may even sell the movie that he was interested in and make some money. With what he knows, someone may actually be interested in making it.
I think this is really good advice, Jeana. If Darin is reading, I hope he will consider it. It is the closest he will ever come to hitting the big time, that is for sure.

Goody
01-01-2006, 06:13 PM
It was reported here by several of the local papers that after her arrest when Darin came to visit her before the arraignment, she told him in very forceful language that she did not care how he did it but to get her out of there. Guess he could not move heaven and earth. Her bond was denied.
That is a pretty normal response, isn't it? I think I would tell my husband that whether I was guilty or innocent!!! Nobody wants to be locked up.

j2mirish
01-01-2006, 06:14 PM
That is a pretty normal response, isn't it? I think I would tell my husband that whether I was guilty or innocent!!! Nobody wants to be locked up.
so what is your point?

Goody
01-01-2006, 06:18 PM
so what is your point?
Nothing except I don't find it makes her unnecessarily demanding. I think any woman who want out of jail any possible way her loved ones could arrange it. Wouldn't you?

texassnuboots
01-01-2006, 10:28 PM
Nothing except I don't find it makes her unnecessarily demanding. I think any woman who want out of jail any possible way her loved ones could arrange it. Wouldn't you?
Admit it. You don't have a point!!! Except to try to convice all of us that Darin is just as involved as Darlie. Well I don't buy that for a minute. However I don't have to buy it. It's free. Wherever I see your name. In my opinion the correct person is in jail. The correct person will be getting the needle. I'm never pleased to see anyone die, but I didn't make the laws here. Darin may or may not be involved. Darlie is definitely involved. No doubt in my mind about that. Please do not try to shove down my throat that Darin is guilty. I will decide for myself, thank you. Your stomping on people's posts and raining on their parade doesn't do anything except prove that your want everyone on here to think like you. I think for myself. If I agree with you I will let you know. If I don't I will let you know. Now go beat up on beesy because that seems to be what you do when you don't get your way. JMO

Goody
01-01-2006, 10:52 PM
Admit it. You don't have a point!!! Except to try to convice all of us that Darin is just as involved as Darlie. Well I don't buy that for a minute. However I don't have to buy it. It's free. Wherever I see your name. In my opinion the correct person is in jail. The correct person will be getting the needle. I'm never pleased to see anyone die, but I didn't make the laws here. Darin may or may not be involved. Darlie is definitely involved. No doubt in my mind about that. Please do not try to shove down my throat that Darin is guilty. I will decide for myself, thank you. Your stomping on people's posts and raining on their parade doesn't do anything except prove that your want everyone on here to think like you. I think for myself. If I agree with you I will let you know. If I don't I will let you know. Now go beat up on beesy because that seems to be what you do when you don't get your way. JMO
Geez...got an attitude or what? Someone posted that Darlie's demands to Darin were to get her out of jail no matter what he had to do and the implication was that made her somehow more guilty or a shallow person. I am not really sure which. I merely pointed out that it proved nothing at all....except that she was a woman who wanted out of jail.

I post what I think also. Sometimes I am thinking out loud and sometimes I am pretty definite about what I think. You haven't been around here very long or you'd know that I don't beat up on anybody. Jeana won't allow it. If someone calls me an old sow, maybe meeting me at verbal shoot out is not such a bad idea. Beesy and I dance around like that all the time. When have I ever picked on her? Just quote one time.

I don't know why you think I think Darin is just as guilty as Darlie. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that, but I am not sold on the idea. I pretty much keep an open mind in all areas of this case, even Darlie's guilt because new evidence could turn everything upside down in any case at any time. Sorry if you don't like my posting style. You aren't the first to come all unglued over it and probably won't be the last. I'd give you a run for your money, but tonight I have my mind on other things. So maybe you should just put me on ignore and try not to worry so much about what I think or don't think about this case.

j2mirish
01-02-2006, 12:40 AM
Nothing except I don't find it makes her unnecessarily demanding. I think any woman who want out of jail any possible way her loved ones could arrange it. Wouldn't you?not if I just stabbed my two children to death in cold blood like she did-----------

beesy
01-02-2006, 01:58 AM
Admit it. You don't have a point!!! Except to try to convice all of us that Darin is just as involved as Darlie. Well I don't buy that for a minute. However I don't have to buy it. It's free. Wherever I see your name. In my opinion the correct person is in jail. The correct person will be getting the needle. I'm never pleased to see anyone die, but I didn't make the laws here. Darin may or may not be involved. Darlie is definitely involved. No doubt in my mind about that. Please do not try to shove down my throat that Darin is guilty. I will decide for myself, thank you. Your stomping on people's posts and raining on their parade doesn't do anything except prove that your want everyone on here to think like you. I think for myself. If I agree with you I will let you know. If I don't I will let you know. Now go beat up on beesy because that seems to be what you do when you don't get your way. JMOHey!!!! Don't bring me into this! Goody doesn't have to be told to beat me up. She loves it and she'll do it no matter what anybody says!

beesy
01-02-2006, 02:04 AM
Well I don't agree and I will tell you why. She couldn't say anything about Darin because that would mean she would have to tell on herself. Sure, she is hinting now that he MIGHT be involved but she isn't putting any hard evidence out there. If she says...yes he did it too...then she is giving up on the fact that she will never be free. For some stupid reason, she thinks by implicating him...it makes her look less guilty. The old smoke and mirrors trick. She still thinks that she is going to get a new trial and be found NG. Once she is closer to the needle....and no hope is left, I think she will tell more on him. But, by that time, people will just think she is saying anything so she won't have to go down alone on this. I DO think the SOB is guilty as she is. While I want her to pay...I want Darin right there beside her. :razz: I guess I am just being greedy. I completely agree! I am so glad someone else realizes this. If she says Darin helped her cover this mess up or possibly even stabbed Damon for the last time, she has to say she DID it! There is no way she can say he did everything. That makes less sense than an intruder. The only thing she can say against him is this BS insurance/hit man scam she's saying he came up with. Why is this so hard for some people to get??? That's why he's loyal, that's why he says she's been railroaded! If the 2nd attack theory is true, which it is, then Darin had to have been in sight of Damon when either she stabbed him or he might have done it himself. Either way, he's in too deep, there's no way out for either one of them. So there!

beesy
01-02-2006, 02:29 AM
[QUOTE]You haven't been around here very long or you'd know that I don't beat up on anybody. Jeana won't allow it. If someone calls me an old sow, maybe meeting me at verbal shoot out is not such a bad idea. Beesy and I dance around like that all the time. When have I ever picked on her? Just quote one time.
It was a joke and you know it. Get some tougher skin girl or you'll never make it on here...that's not an exact quote but it's close. This time I'm saying it to you. If you don't like the music, you don't have to cha-cha-cha. A joke, Goody as I thought your High Noon challenge was also.


I don't know why you think I think Darin is just as guilty as Darlie. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that, but I am not sold on the idea.
Since when aren't you: 5 minutes ago? Throwing different ideas is something we all do. We all change our minds. You're changing yours from post to post, which is probably what is making everyone have an attitude with you. On the other thread you say you believe in the 2nd attack theory. In order to believe in that you have to believe Darin was somehow involved. He was already downstairs for the 2nd attack.

deanws
01-02-2006, 02:33 AM
I completely agree! I am so glad someone else realizes this. If she says Darin helped her cover this mess up or possibly even stabbed Damon for the last time, she has to say she DID it! There is no way she can say he did everything. That makes less sense than an intruder. The only thing she can say against him is this BS insurance/hit man scam she's saying he came up with. Why is this so hard for some people to get??? That's why he's loyal, that's why he says she's been railroaded! If the 2nd attack theory is true, which it is, then Darin had to have been in sight of Damon when either she stabbed him or he might have done it himself. Either way, he's in too deep, there's no way out for either one of them. So there! You had better be careful or boots is going to come over here and kick both of us!:laugh: I don't know about you but I am :chicken: . LOL :crazy:

Goody
01-02-2006, 08:15 AM
not if I just stabbed my two children to death in cold blood like she did-----------
That is an emotional answer. No offense but it doesn't change the fact that it is normal for people who are arrested for anything but esp murder to want to get out of jail. I don't see how it makes her appear any more or any less "evil" than anyone else. I guess you see some hidden sign in it. I don't. Hope that doesn't mean you want to have me flogged at sunrise.

Goody
01-02-2006, 08:23 AM
Hey!!!! Don't bring me into this! Goody doesn't have to be told to beat me up. She loves it and she'll do it no matter what anybody says!
O, bull, you PM me on a regular basis. You just don't like it when I don't agree with you. The least little thing I say that sounds "sarcastic" to you, you think is a personal slam. I have never been anything but nice to you. How many times have I offered you comfort when your feelings were hurt by others, even though most of the time I thought you were over reacting. Sorry, bees, but your every opinion is not always mine, and your every word not always accurate. No one's is. Lord knows I get a few things mixed up from time to time and I have a lot more time invested in this case than you do. I am just tired of being made out to be the bad guy around here because you can't take a little sarcasm. Lord knows you have no problem dishing it out. :furious:

Goody
01-02-2006, 08:49 AM
I completely agree! I am so glad someone else realizes this.


Are you kidding? Everyone else realizes this. It has only been posted to about 100 times on these forums by just about everyone who thinks she is guilty. It is hardly breaking news.



If she says Darin helped her cover this mess up or possibly even stabbed Damon for the last time, she has to say she DID it! There is no way she can say he did everything. That makes less sense than an intruder. The only thing she can say against him is this BS insurance/hit man scam she's saying he came up with. Why is this so hard for some people to get???


It isn't as you well know. Darlie can't open up until her appeals are shot down. At least the ones that might reasonably get her a new trial and that is probably coming down the pike in the next year or two. After that it will be just her attys going thru the same old motions without the expectation of any real success. That is when she should speak up. If she has half a brain in that pretty head of hers, she will offer him up for what he did do....or officially exonerate him, whichever the case might be.



That's why he's loyal, that's why he says she's been railroaded! If the 2nd attack theory is true, which it is, then Darin had to have been in sight of Damon when either she stabbed him or he might have done it himself. Either way, he's in too deep, there's no way out for either one of them. So there!
Maybe you should tell Boots that you think Darin was involved with the murders. She seems to be under the impression that the big bad Goody is promoting an evil and impossible theory and cramming it down everyone's throat around here. That is when she (the goodymeister) is not picking on the likes of sweet, defenseless beesy. O, rue the day when such an atrocity could be true. Most of the time it is Goody dodging the swipes and annoying little stings of a pesky bee that buzzes incessantly around her posts. <faning herself to avoid a faint> O, saints perserve us, it is a good thing Goody has an abundant supply of anti-bee venom. :laugh: :laugh: It is just those confounded steel toed boots that are tripping her up these days.

itsreenw
01-02-2006, 09:42 AM
Goody, getting back on track, I agree with you about Darlie's instructions to Darin to get her out and she didn't care how-just do it. (Not exact quote)

Neither a cold blooded murderer or an innocent person can be judged by their desire to be released from jail. they would both want to be free. It may not be morally correct but that's how it is. So the point I am making is...Darlie's comment to Darin doesn't point to innocence or guilt-just that she, like every other prisoner, wants outta there-right now-at any cost!! That's the usual attitude of inmates.

And yes, I do think she is guilty as hell.

Sorry for butting in.

Goody
01-02-2006, 09:53 AM
Goody, getting back on track, I agree with you about Darlie's instructions to Darin to get her out and she didn't care how-just do it. (Not exact quote)

Neither a cold blooded murderer or an innocent person can be judged by their desire to be released from jail. they would both want to be free. It may not be morally correct but that's how it is. So the point I am making is...Darlie's comment to Darin doesn't point to innocence or guilt-just that she, like every other prisoner, wants outta there-right now-at any cost!! That's the usual attitude of inmates.

And yes, I do think she is guilty as hell.

Sorry for butting in.




You didn't butt in. Thank you for you comments. Jeana must be busy with the holiday or this stuff would have already been nipped in the bud.

It seems that anything objective said about the Routiers is easily misconstrued around here, so I appreciate another voice chiming in. I too think she is guilty, and I am pretty sure Darin is guilty of something, probably more than he is given credit for. But that doesn't make every single thing they say or do "evil."

O, and don't be too hard on J2. She gets a little miffed at me from time to time but she is generally nice.

j2mirish
01-02-2006, 12:21 PM
That is an emotional answer. No offense but it doesn't change the fact that it is normal for people who are arrested for anything but esp murder to want to get out of jail. I don't see how it makes her appear any more or any less "evil" than anyone else. I guess you see some hidden sign in it. I don't. Hope that doesn't mean you want to have me flogged at sunrise.
No I dont see any hidden evil in it-- it just shows even more-- that she could care less that she killed those boys--- and makes me wonder if in fact it was planned--- had she just snapped that night, when the reality hit what she had done, I dont not believe she would then be in a postion to worry about herself...
but it is all about Darlie-- I cant say I have ever wanted you flogged :innocent:

j2mirish
01-02-2006, 12:29 PM
You didn't butt in. Thank you for you comments. Jeana must be busy with the holiday or this stuff would have already been nipped in the bud.

It seems that anything objective said about the Routiers is easily misconstrued around here, so I appreciate another voice chiming in. I too think she is guilty, and I am pretty sure Darin is guilty of something, probably more than he is given credit for. But that doesn't make every single thing they say or do "evil."

O, and don't be too hard on J2. She gets a little miffed at me from time to time but she is generally nice.
see---- what goody said !! :blowkiss:

Goody
01-02-2006, 01:31 PM
No I dont see any hidden evil in it-- it just shows even more-- that she could care less that she killed those boys--- and makes me wonder if in fact it was planned--- had she just snapped that night, when the reality hit what she had done, I dont not believe she would then be in a postion to worry about herself...
but it is all about Darlie--
Well, I guess if you believe she is guilty, and we all know you do, you could read that into her attitude. I think I was just looking at it from a more technical angle.

I agree with you that there is probably more to the truth than that she just snapped. You would think she would be regretting it almost instantly, be devastated by what she'd done. You would not think she would be able to come up with a story to mislead authorities.

That brings us to an interesting point. Where does personal survival end and concern for the children begin, or vice versa? Darlie cannot be totally like us or she would have thrown herself on the sword afterwards, so devastated and ashamed of what she had done. (by means of suicide or confession) But there is so little evidence that she was really all that different from us either. I am not against reading between the lines but I would feel more comfortable I I had more information on the family dynamics before the crime.


I cant say I have ever wanted you flogged :innocent:

That is nice. You are such a dear....possibly in the minority, but a dear all the same. :blowkiss:

beesy
01-02-2006, 03:02 PM
O, bull, you PM me on a regular basis. You just don't like it when I don't agree with you. The least little thing I say that sounds "sarcastic" to you, you think is a personal slam. I have never been anything but nice to you. How many times have I offered you comfort when your feelings were hurt by others, even though most of the time I thought you were over reacting. Sorry, bees, but your every opinion is not always mine, and your every word not always accurate. No one's is. Lord knows I get a few things mixed up from time to time and I have a lot more time invested in this case than you do. I am just tired of being made out to be the bad guy around here because you can't take a little sarcasm. Lord knows you have no problem dishing it out. :furious: I know I PM you because I thought we were friends. What I said to boots about Goody loving to pick on me was referring to our usual silly stuff. In the past, I have taken things too hard, but I know you now and the rest of the reggies and I am not doing that this time. You are so convinced that I am, you aren't even listening to me.
Now take that fuming face away and let's kiss and make up. :blowkiss:

beesy
01-02-2006, 03:16 PM
I think this is really good advice, Jeana. If Darin is reading, I hope he will consider it. It is the closest he will ever come to hitting the big time, that is for sure. These boots are made for walking....... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_3_34.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN)

beesy
01-02-2006, 03:47 PM
[QUOTE]Are you kidding? Everyone else realizes this. It has only been posted to about 100 times on these forums by just about everyone who thinks she is guilty. It is hardly breaking news.
I didn't mean EVERYBODY, as in this entire forum. I was referring to a certain few.


It isn't as you well know. Darlie can't open up until her appeals are shot down. At least the ones that might reasonably get her a new trial and that is probably coming down the pike in the next year or two. After that it will be just her attys going thru the same old motions without the expectation of any real success. That is when she should speak up. If she has half a brain in that pretty head of hers, she will offer him up for what he did do....or officially exonerate him, whichever the case might be.
Suppose she claimed temporary insanity and then said Darin is the real evil here because he helped her?


Maybe you should tell Boots that you think Darin was involved with the murders. She seems to be under the impression that the big bad Goody is promoting an evil and impossible theory and cramming it down everyone's throat around here. That is when she (the goodymeister) is not picking on the likes of sweet, defenseless beesy. O, rue the day when such an atrocity could be true. Most of the time it is Goody dodging the swipes and annoying little stings of a pesky bee that buzzes incessantly around her posts. <faning herself to avoid a faint> O, saints perserve us, it is a good thing Goody has an abundant supply of anti-bee venom. :laugh: :laugh: It is just those confounded steel toed boots that are tripping her up these days.
It sure is a good thing I named myself beesy. It provides great fodder for all sorts of silliness.
To be honest, those dang boots scared me..ha ha...but I've now jumped in and am shoving my opinions down a certain someone's throat. We'd better read of all these posts now because as soon Jeana checks in, they'll all be gone.

Goody
01-03-2006, 12:13 AM
I know I PM you because I thought we were friends. What I said to boots about Goody loving to pick on me was referring to our usual silly stuff. In the past, I have taken things too hard, but I know you now and the rest of the reggies and I am not doing that this time. You are so convinced that I am, you aren't even listening to me.
Now take that fuming face away and let's kiss and make up. :blowkiss:
Ok. Goody put the six guns away. Maybe it is all a big misunderstanding. Let's just get back to doing what we do best.... :dance: dissecting the Routier case.

Goody
01-03-2006, 12:21 AM
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......Suppose she claimed temporary insanity and then said Darin is the real evil here because he helped her?

She'd still be on death row. Wouldn't change a thing but might make sure he got his just punishment, too, assuming her statements were true.





It sure is a good thing I named myself beesy. It provides great fodder for all sorts of silliness. [/color][/b]
To be honest, those dang boots scared me..ha ha...but I've now jumped in and am shoving my opinions down a certain someone's throat. We'd better read of all these posts now because as soon Jeana checks in, they'll all be gone.
I know,. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, too. hahahahahahah!

Goody
01-03-2006, 12:29 AM
goody--- is this you?? :D
No, Dianne is a fellow poster from GAC. She is a good gal. Just sticking up for me, that's all. She probably doesn't know our little dance but she will after she reads this. LOL!

deanws
01-03-2006, 12:51 AM
You mean like this? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_119v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

Goody
01-03-2006, 12:54 AM
You mean like this? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_1_119v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)
Nah, more like this.....http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_1_30v.gif

deanws
01-03-2006, 01:05 AM
Nah, more like this.....http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_1_30v.gifLOL http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_9_141.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)