Two Year Old Calls 911- Parents Murdered

[IdahoMom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179949,00.html

snip
FORT MYERS, Fla. — The parents of a 2-year-old boy were found dead in their home Tuesday after the toddler called 911, authorities said.

Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28, were found in their home shortly after 7 a.m., said Lee County Sheriff's spokeswoman Ileana LiMarzi. The couple's son was found unharmed in the home, and was taken to other family members, LiMarzi said.

Investigators said the boy phoned 911. No information was immediately released on how the couple died.

[mysteriew]

Wow! This baby called 911? That is amazing! First that he knew to call, and that he knew what numbers to call and that he knew how to tell them what was wrong. Many 2 year old's won't talk on the phone, and often can't be understood if they try.
Kudo's to the 911 operator who took this seriously.

[mysteriew]

The 2-year-old son of a couple found dead Tuesday inside their Gateway home stayed on the phone with a 911 operator until deputies arrived.

The performance of Luke Andrews, 2, has sparked discussion around Southwest Florida about just how capable a toddler can be of using the telephone at that age.

“He dialed 911, and they could tell there was a child on the other line,” Lee County sheriff’s spokesman Ileana LiMarzi said this morning. “He wasn’t saying much to dispatchers."

But the boy was still on the line when the first deputies arrived at 12221 Eagle Point Circle and discovered the bodies of Steven Andrews, 28, and his wife, Michelle Andrews, 28.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051228/NEWS01/51228006/1075

[IdahoMom]

http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5804343.html

snip
Former Edina couple found dead in their Florida home

...It's also unclear how the couple's young son called 911. Neighbors in the upscale, gated neighborhood of Cypress Pointe reported seeing blood on his socks. He was taken to be with family members.
In Edina, where the couple had lived until August 2004, news of their deaths stunned former neighbors and co-workers.

"We had just gotten a Christmas letter from them," said Todd Carsen, executive director of the Edina Care Center, a nursing home here where Michelle managed the dietary department.

Aside from expressing frustration at dealing with recent hurricanes, Michelle wrote "how much she and Steve were in love, and how happy they were down in Florida," Carsen said.

They had moved to Florida after Steven got a job there as a landscape architect, having just earned his master's degree from the University of Minnesota.

They had purchased a house along France Avenue in Edina about two or three years ago, shortly after they were married, neighbors said.

"They were sweethearts," said Terry Knaffla, their next-door neighbor in Edina.

He and others said the couple were a model of wholesome, young "puppy love," quick to show each other affection.

Steven would often accompany Michelle on her almost-daily several-mile runs, or when she took their golden retriever for walks...

[Amraann]

I wonder if the killer actually dialed 911 and handed the phone to the child before leaving?

[mysteriew]

I wonder if the killer actually dialed 911 and handed the phone to the child before leaving?

I hadn't thought of that. There have been so many murder suicide's lately that I am ashamed to say that was my first thought. But good point Amra.

[SewingDeb]

I wonder if the killer actually dialed 911 and handed the phone to the child before leaving?

<shudder> That's very possible.

[Yaya]

I wonder if the killer actually dialed 911 and handed the phone to the child before leaving?My thoughts exactly after reading the first post.


I'd like to know the timeline... estimated time of death.

[T'sNana]

I have seen (on TV) where they had the littlest heroes and one little boy, around the age of 2 called 911 when his mother went into a diabetic coma. But, the killer dialing and handing it to the child is very plausible as well.

[mysteriew]

The boy opened the door, said "Mommy" and walked toward a stairway where police found the body of his mother, Michelle Andrews, and removed the child from the home.

Police also found the body of Steven Andrews, also 28.
http://pub2.bravenet.com/news/92920030/33204/4
What a brave little baby! I hope there is someone out there to hug him, and hold him, and love him, and care for him. This little guy is a keeper!

[mysteriew]

The Lee County Sheriff's Office is treating the deaths of two Gateway community residents as a double homicide, an investigator said this afternoon.

Major Jeff Taylor said that he had hoped to release more specific information about the deaths this afternoon, but autopsies of Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28 years old, had not been completed.

Taylor said that it's not uncommon for homicides to be committed by someone who knows the victims. But he declined to speculate whether that was true in this case.

He said he didn't want to limit the investigation to "one narrow pathway" at this point.

Taylor encouraged residents of Gateway neighborhoods to think back to the hours between 11 p.m. Monday night and 7 a.m. Tuesday morning and to please call the sheriff's office if they noticed anything unusual.

He said he considered Gateway, and all of Lee County, a safe community, but that residents should always secure their homes at night.

“He dialed 911, and they could tell there was a child on the other line,” LiMarzi said this morning. “He wasn’t saying much to dispatchers."

"When dispatchers received the call it was basically an 'open line.' The child was not having a conversation with the dispatcher, but was making enough noise that the dispatcher could tell that there was a child on the other end," she said. "Our equipment works on voice activation therefore silence is not recorded. Since the child’s voice was so soft what you will basically hear is at the end of the call when the deputy takes the phone from the child and informs dispatch that she is on scene."

But the boy was still on the line when the first deputies arrived at the house and discovered the bodies.

Deputy Tracie Gaydash knocked on the door of the house. Luke opened the door, said "Mommy," and walked toward a stairway, according to sheriff's reports.

Gateway resident Lisa Potter took care of Luke for a few hours after the call was made and before he was given to other family members. She said Luke did not show signs of trauma when she took him home. Potter said she doesn’t know if he could call 911 but said he did not appear to be potty-trained.
“I changed his diaper,” she said.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051228/NEWS01/51228014/1075

[SadieMae]

This 2 year old could possibly have dialed 911. When my son was 14 months, I had my phone on speed dial to important numbers. I thought was just playing babbling on the phone and told him to hang it up now so he could get a bath. He kept saying "No, my Papa" so I just hung up the phone. Before I could get him up the stairs my phone rang, it was my Dad asking me why did I hang up on him! Ohmygosh, my son had been calling his Papa for over 2 weeks 3-4 times a day! :eek: He'd been calling my sister also. They thought I was calling them for him, but he knew even at that age which button to push to get his Papa. I just thought he was pretending he was talking on the phone. I showed him to dial 911 if "mommy got real sick" when he was 2. So it's possible that little guy knew how to get help for his parents.

[concernedperson]

It just makes me cry.

[mysteriew]

Either someone prepared him very well for what to do when the policeman came, or he actually knew what he was doing. When the officers got there he just said "Mommy", and led them right to her body.
I hate what happened to his parents. They sounded like a very nice, caring couple.
But I am so happy they didn't kill the baby. This could have been so much worse.

[PrayersForMaura]

This is very sad :(

A young boy alone with his parents did. We don't know if he saw them murdered or what happened. And it seems as if the couple was very much in love, two.

Poor little boy. I'm sending many prayers his way.

[cheko1]

This is so sad. The little guy is lucky to of been spared but he sure will grow up missing them. Such a tragedy!

My deepest sympathy for the families....

[mysteriew]

Officials did not provide details on the cause of death, including whether a weapon was used. They said the deaths apparently occurred between 11 p.m. Monday and 6 a.m. Tuesday.

A preliminary autopsy report ruled out homicide-suicide, Maj. Jeff Taylor of the Sheriff's Office violent crimes unit said.

The family moved to Florida from Minnesota last year. Steven Andrews was a landscape architect in Bonita Springs and his wife, Michelle, was a nutritionist in Fort Myers.

Their son has been placed with relatives, authorities said.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-1229toddler,0,3160921.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

[IdahoMom]

http://www.kare11.com/assetpool/images/05122818353_andrews-murdered-couple-275.jpg

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=114998

snip

At home in Minnesota, friends are remembering two people who loved life and each other.

Marilee Dunsmore worked with Michelle and knew the family well. She received a holiday letter just last week, that told her how well they were doing in Florida and that the couple was celebrating six years of marriage and falling more in love everyday.

"I don't think there was anything more important to Michelle than her family, her husband and her son," said Marilee.

Michelle was a dietician at Edina Care Center and Steven recently earned a degree in landscape architecture from the University of Minnesota. Last year they sold their Edina home and moved to Fort Myers where Steven found work.

Angela Reierson bought the couple's Edina home and remembers how hard it was for them to sell it, "They just really loved this home and wished they could take it to Florida with them. That's just really what I remember."

Marilee says Michelle was hesitant to move, "I know she had a lot of mixed feelings about moving to Florida. She liked her job. She had her friends and her family here. It was just a scary move."

[IdahoMom]

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_362190803/lg




http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=114998

snip
Sheriff: "Closure" imminent in Gateway slayings


Detectives have leads and are close to "closure" in the slayings of a young Gateway couple, Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott has told news-press.com in a statement.

Autopsy results — which will explain cause of death and approximate time of death — are expected today on Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28.

In his statement to news-press.com, Scott said:

“We’re taking it very very seriously as we do any time there’s loss of life. Our detectives are working overtime following leads. We do have leads, and we do believe that we’re well on the way to some type of resolve here.

"I don’t believe this will be an open-ended crime. I do believe that we’ll have some closure here for the victims and for the community.”

The house in the Cypress Point neighborhood of Gateway where the double homicide occurred remains a sealed crime scene

[IdahoMom]

The video link here is just so sad :( .

http://wcco.com/local/local_story_362190549.html

snip

Authorities originally believed the boy called 911, but now said it is possible someone else inside the house made the call. The boy, Luke, was heard in the background during the 911 call, most of which was silent.

[Sherry67]

This 2 year old could possibly have dialed 911. When my son was 14 months, I had my phone on speed dial to important numbers. I thought was just playing babbling on the phone and told him to hang it up now so he could get a bath. He kept saying "No, my Papa" so I just hung up the phone. Before I could get him up the stairs my phone rang, it was my Dad asking me why did I hang up on him! Ohmygosh, my son had been calling his Papa for over 2 weeks 3-4 times a day! :eek: He'd been calling my sister also. They thought I was calling them for him, but he knew even at that age which button to push to get his Papa. I just thought he was pretending he was talking on the phone. I showed him to dial 911 if "mommy got real sick" when he was 2. So it's possible that little guy knew how to get help for his parents.
What an adorable story:D

[mysteriew]

Whoever did this murder was someone close to that little boy. They didn't want him to suffer by being in the home alone with his murdered parents, they didn't want to kill him. It was someone who cared for the child. I wonder if there was family in the area?

[lostfaith]

Whoever did this murder was someone close to that little boy. They didn't want him to suffer by being in the home alone with his murdered parents, they didn't want to kill him. It was someone who cared for the child. I wonder if there was family in the area?


Do you think it is possible that one of the parents was able to make a 911 call, but not talk? I suppose that would be pretty obvious though, with the phone lying by one of the parents. Awful story!

[mysteriew]

Do you think it is possible that one of the parents was able to make a 911 call, but not talk? I suppose that would be pretty obvious though, with the phone lying by one of the parents. Awful story!

This is just my own opinion, but I think the murderer made the call. And told the kid that when the policeman comes you take him to Mommy. He will help Mommy.
I think the murders were committed by someone close to the family. They had recently moved to the area. There was no mention of the home being broke into. It is Christmas time, a perfect for a friend or family member to visit. I haven't heard enough to figure a motive or a suspect yet though.

[Yaya]

This is just my own opinion, but I think the murderer made the call.
I totally agree... Just speculation here but I was thinking this sounds like something a woman would do. Possibly an old girlfriend of the husband. Maybe they left their previous residence to get away from her. She found them.

[PrayersForMaura]

I totally agree... Just speculation here but I was thinking this sounds like something a woman would do. Possibly an old girlfriend of the husband. Maybe they left their previous residence to get away from her. She found them.
I agree with you and mysteriew.
I think someone dialed 911 for the child.

What a sad, sad story and what a terrible thing for that child. :(

Such a young, beautiful, loving couple. This is not right at all.
I hope justice is served, but even so, nothing will bring them back.
:(

[mysteriew]

According to one of the above links, they moved there because that is where he found a job. The family and friends talked about how reluctant they were to move.
I feel like the relationship is closer. A close friend, or a relative. It would have been someone who loved the boy. They didn't want him to be there at the house alone too long, with the boys murdered parents.

[SadieMae]

Whoever did this murder was someone close to that little boy. They didn't want him to suffer by being in the home alone with his murdered parents, they didn't want to kill him. It was someone who cared for the child. I wonder if there was family in the area?
The story link posted by IdahoMom stated his parents were visiting from Minnesota. But that wouldn't make sense for the parents to kill their son and wife, they seemed like a close family. The time of death was between 11pm-7am, and the call came in after 7am. Does it make sense for someone to stay in a home after they murder someone the night before. I'm sure the child would have been asleep that time of night.

[SadieMae]

According to one of the above links, they moved there because that is where he found a job. The family and friends talked about how reluctant they were to move.
I feel like the relationship is closer. A close friend, or a relative. It would have been someone who loved the boy. They didn't want him to be there at the house alone too long, with the boys murdered parents.If it was someone close, couldn't the little boy tell them who was there that morning if asked? They both had jobs, so I think someone would have called to find out about them when they didn't show up or call in Tues morning. So maybe the child would have been alone for only a few hours that morning.

[mysteriew]

If it was someone close, couldn't the little boy tell them who was there that morning if asked? They both had jobs, so I think someone would have called to find out about them when they didn't show up or call in Tues morning. So maybe the child would have been alone for only a few hours that morning.

From what I have seen, the little boy has very limited verbal skills. At two and still in diapers, the little boy may have recognized who did it, but would probably be unable to tell.

[cheko1]

Police: Former Edina Couple Murdered

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_010121657/sm Lisa Kiava (http://wcco.com/bios/local_bio_160134905.html)
Reporting

var title=charStrip("Police: Former Edina Couple Murdered"); writeClipImg(title, "http://wcco.com/crime/local_story_362190549.html", "saveit");http://static.viacomlocalnetworks.com/img/icon_plus_on.gifSave It (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0)) http://static.viacomlocalnetworks.com/img/story_email_icon.gif Email It http://static.viacomlocalnetworks.com/img/story_print_icon.gif Print It (http://javascript<img%20src=)
(WCCO) Fort Myers, Fla. Florida authorities say they're close to finding closure in the case of a former Edina, Minn. couple found murdered in their Fort Myers home this week.

A spokesperson from the Lee County Sheriff's Office said autopsies of Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28, ruled out a murder-suicide, and authorities believe the couple was targeted.

The couple was found dead in their Fort Myers, Fla. house shortly after 7 a.m. Tuesday. Their 2-year-old son was found unharmed in the house and was taken to family members.

Details of the autopies are not yet made public, as that could hurt the ongoing investigation. Police did say the killings suggested a specific motive.



Edit by amra for copyright.

[cheko1]

LE must have a good idea what happened......
Luke is staying with his Grandparents, such a catastrophe.

I also feel it must be a old girlfriend. In the Xmas letter she stated how in love they were etc etc....that struck me as odd too. Not many people send out a Xmas letter like that. Kind of struck me like maybe they'd had problems.:twocents:

[mysteriew]

Details of the autopies are not yet made public, as that could hurt the ongoing investigation. Police did say the killings suggested a specific motive.

Investigators were following several leads and were hopeful the case would soon be resolved, officials said.

The county sheriff's office said Steven Andrews' parents were visiting from Minnesota when the couple was killed. They, along with Michelle Andrews' parents, were questioned by investigators, which is not unusual in a case such as this.

snip: Neighbors said Luke was found covered in blood.


Wonder where the parents were staying during their visit, and I wonder where they were when the couple was murdered?
Luke evidently tried to rouse his parents, at some point.

[Marie]

Or maybe a NEW girlfriend? If someone dialed 911 for the baby then they must have spent a long time in the home. Doesn't that mean they must have felt comfortable there?

[vanillasky]

Investigators believe murdered Fort Myers couple knew assailants

A slain couple, whose case gained national attention when it was reported that their 2-year-old son called 911, likely knew their attacker, police said Friday.

"We have a concerned community here who was wondering if this was some random act of violence," Lee County sheriff's spokeswoman Ileana LiMarzi said. "We believe it was someone who knows the victims, and that this is an isolated incident."

Full story... http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051230/APN/512300718

[vanillasky]

Also....

The Lee County Sheriff's major running the investigation into the slayings of a Gateway couple said this morning that it could be a week or longer before any arrest is made in the case, and that the killings were not random.

"I would hope we would have successful results quickly but it could take a week or more," said Maj. Jeff Taylor.


<< snip >>

"We're looking at some suspects," Taylor said. "I don't want to get into numbers."



Full story - http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051230/NEWS01/51230003/1075

[mysteriew]

The suspect who killed a former Edina couple at their Florida home likely knew the couple and could be arrested within days, authorities said.
Detectives were waiting for test results of DNA evidence obtained at the crime scene before making an arrest in the slayings of Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28, said Ileana LiMarzi, public information officer for Lee County Sheriff's Office in Florida.
The couple moved to Florida from Edina in 2004, after Steven Andrews took a job there. Police found their bodies inside their home last week after responding to a 911 call.
She said authorities identified the suspect based on evidence collected at the crime scene and through interviews with people who knew the couple.
The 2-year-old boy was staying with his grandparents, who also live in South Florida, LiMarzi said.
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/13524675.htm

[vanillasky]

I'm very anxious to find out why.......... :(

[SewingDeb]

I'm very anxious to find out why.......... :(

That's what I am wondering.

[concernedperson]

I just read a brief article on a Fort Myers TV station site. It mentioned that LE doesn't believe the baby dialed 911 or the killer. Could it be that one of the parents were barely alive and managed to dial? This is a sad case too.

[ShowerSinger]

My sister lives in Naples. Her office is in this same gated community as this crime. She says the word is that the woman was having an affair, and decided to call it off, and stay with her husband and child. The man she was having the affair with lost it, and he is the #1 suspect. Still, she is so busy with her world, she hasn't been following it, as of late. But, she was at her office this afternoon, and LE assured her, there was nothing for her to be worried about.

[vanillasky]

Wow! :eek:

[IdahoMom]

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060103/NEWS01/60103005/1075

(note the use of persons and suspects)
snip

A week after the slaying of a couple inside their Gateway home, Lee County sheriff’s officials said today they’ve identified “persons of interest” in the double homicide, and crime lab results may "confirm our suspicions."

Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28, were found dead inside their home Dec. 27 at 12221 Eagle Pointe Circle in Gateway. When deputies arrived, their 2-year-old son, Luke, was unharmed in the home with a phone connected to a 911 operator.

Maj. Jeff Taylor, who is overseeing the investigation, said crime lab results may be available as early as Thursday that could “perhaps confirm our suspicions.” Taylor said Friday his investigators have “some suspects” in the case. No arrests have been made.

[Yaya]

I just read a brief article on a Fort Myers TV station site. It mentioned that LE doesn't believe the baby dialed 911 or the killer. Could it be that one of the parents were barely alive and managed to dial? This is a sad case too.
If this is true... it takes on a whole new look for me. LE may have found bloody finger prints on the phone belonging to one of the victims. If this is the case then I would think twice about it being a woman.

[Jean]

GATEWAY KILLER MAY FACE RAPE CHARGES--NBC 2 News (WBBH, FL)--1/3/2006

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5390&z=3&p=

Snip:

Sheriff Mike Scott says whoever killed the couple could also face rape charges.

[PrayersForMaura]

GATEWAY KILLER MAY FACE RAPE CHARGES--NBC 2 News (WBBH, FL)--1/3/2006

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5390&z=3&p=

Snip:

Sheriff Mike Scott says whoever killed the couple could also face rape charges.
oh no :(
I wonder if the sick monster who did this made the husband watch?
Oh gosh, the terrible things that might have happened. :(

That poor child. I hope that child didn't witness too much.

[Shelly Beach]

This is just awful, that poor little boy.:(

[IdahoMom]

Sheriff discounts Gateway postings:

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060104/COLUMNISTS02/601040394/1075

SNIP
Not much new is known about Gateway's double homicide from last week, but two postings Tuesday on a news-press.com readers' forum speculated on what happened to Steven and Michelle Andrews.

The News-Press let the messages stand because it is a free speech forum, but cautioned readers to be wary because the forum is unregulated.

"But just as free speech has its problems and pitfalls, so too, potentially, does content you'll find here. You have to be the judge of each anonymous writer's credibility,'' it says.
----

This is the link to the reader's forum in the local paper. Thought some here might like to read what's posted there:

http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145

This is a link to a website built by one of Steve's friends:

http://www.aaronwald.net/steveandmichelle/

[IdahoMom]

An update:

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5403&z=3&p=

Their obituaries here:

http://www.news-press.net/obitlegal/obituaries/search.php

[IdahoMom]

Lab Results Expected Today May Verify What Police Think Occurred

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/NEWS01/601050387/1075

snip
Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said officials are hopeful new facts will emerge today in the Gateway homicide investigations as detectives await test results from an out-of-state lab.

"I'm hopeful that (today) we'll have some information to bring this thing to closure," Scott said. "I really feel like it's something that will come to closure very soon."
...
"We're just waiting on the scientific evidence to verify what we believe [occurred]."

[IdahoMom]

Friends/Neighbors Prepare for Funeral
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/NEWS01/601050394/1002

[petra]

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/NEWS01/60105012/1002

Deputies may have results in one to two hours....hope then to confirm possible POI

[Shadow205]

<snip> Investigators have hinted an arrest in the case may come as early as today if the test results produce a match. http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/NEWS01/60105012/1002

Well that was yesterday. Makes me think that maybe it wasn't a match to their POI.

[mysteriew]

It could be a delay in the lab. If so then we may not hear anything further until Mon.

[Jean]

Update---

Gateway evidence tests on fast track
Mourners pay their respects to slain couple--The News-Press 1/7/06

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060107/NEWS01/601070482/1075

Excerpts

Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said Friday crime analysts at a private Ohio lab are prepared to work through the weekend to test DNA evidence from the Dec. 27 slayings of a Gateway couple.

As detectives waited for the test results, friends and family mourned the loss of Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28, who were found dead in their home at 12221 Eagle Pointe Circle.

Dozens turned out for the Friday evening visitation at the Blessed John Pope XXIII Catholic Church, 13060 Palomino Lane in south Fort Myers.

Memorial services for the couple will take place at the church at 1:30 p.m. today.

The couple's 2-year-old son, Lukasz, who was connected to a 911 operator when deputies first arrived and made the gruesome discovery, is now in the care of grandparents.

More at above link---

[Jean]

I was very touched while reading the article about the service.

Mourners gather to share memories of slain couple--Naples Daily News, 1/8/06

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/08/mourners_gather_share_memories_slain_couple/

Cops Eye Suspect In Murder Of Former Edina Couple--(CBS) WCCO TV4--1/8/06

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_008160124.html

Investigators say they are keeping surveillance on at least one suspect in the double murder of a former Edina, Minn. couple living in Florida.

Investigators say they are waiting on lab results they believe will lead to an arrest in the case.

[IdahoMom]

How sad. The part about her Dad singing You Are So Beautiful just breaks my heart. :(

[mysteriew]

Mourners gather to share memories of slain couple--Naples Daily News, 1/8/06

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/08/mourners_gather_share_memories_slain_couple/


Two pennies in a bag of white netting are tied to a picture of the couple with a printed verse. It read:
"When an angel misses you, they toss a penny down...Sometimes just to cheer you up, make a smile out of your frown...So don't pass by that penny when you're blue...It may be a penny from heaven that an angel's tossed to you."

[mysteriew]

Lee County Sheriff's officials continue to wait today for DNA test results of a couple murdered in their Gateway home.

An arrest "is contingent on them getting a direct hit," Sgt. Larry King said of the lab in Ohio. "And that hasn't happened yet."

Sheriff Mike Scott has said that the killings were not random, and that detectives have a suspect or suspects in the case.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060109/NEWS01/60109002/1075

[Jean]

Interesting article. I am wondering what the problem is with the DNA. I think something is going on behind the scenes. I tried to copy some of the article, but was unable to do so.

Still no DNA test results in Gateway murder--NBC 2.com (Channel WBBH)--1/9/06

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5454&z=3&p=

[IdahoMom]

The news-press.com reader message board is an interesting place (some scary posters there).

Many posting there have heard that Steve was having an affair with a co-worker, and that her boyfriend and father of her child found out, and went to the home and raped Michelle in front of Steve before killing them. The boyfriend is reportedly under surveillance.

[WhiteWolf]

Thanks for the info, IdahoMom. If it's true, what a horrible payback for an affair.

[lostfaith]

The news-press.com reader message board is an interesting place (some scary posters there).

Many posting there have heard that Steve was having an affair with a co-worker, and that her boyfriend and father of her child found out, and went to the home and raped Michelle in front of Steve before killing them. The boyfriend is reportedly under surveillance.

That is awful! :eek: Lots of times these rumors have a grain of truth. How horrible!

[Jean]

Thanks, IdahoMom.

[IdahoMom]

You're welcome.

Here's the direct link to the reader message boards:
http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145

[Shadow205]

I have been reading at that board. Man, they could use some Mods there! Some of those posters wouldn't last a day here at WS's!

You're welcome.

Here's the direct link to the reader message boards:
http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145

[Jean]

An update on what is going on today.

Deputies comb area near double murder scene--NBC Channel 2 News, WBBH, FL--1/10/06

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5468&z=3&p=

The search location is not far from the home of Steven and Michelle Andrews, who were found dead in their home on the morning of December 27th. ...

[mysteriew]

Did they find the murder weapon? If not then that is likely what they are looking for. And it also probably means they have had a tip that pointed them in this direction. The article indicates that they are putting up orange flags to indicate that potiential evidence has been found. So there is a possibilty that they are talking to someone in the know.

[nanandjim]

My sister lives in Naples. Her office is in this same gated community as this crime. She says the word is that the woman was having an affair, and decided to call it off, and stay with her husband and child. The man she was having the affair with lost it, and he is the #1 suspect. Still, she is so busy with her world, she hasn't been following it, as of late. But, she was at her office this afternoon, and LE assured her, there was nothing for her to be worried about.
Thanks for posting this information. IdahoMom posted a link to a message board that is speculating that it was the husband who was having an affair. So, perhaps, one of them was. Let us know if you hear anything else.

It's so sad. From the looks of the photos posted by IM, they look like such a loving and happy couple. It's too bad that someone took their lives, no matter the reason.

ETA: From what I have read on the message board posted by IM, it sounds like many posters are saying that Steve, the husband, was having an affair with a girl in his office where he worked as a landscape architect. The girlfriend's boyfriend who worked as a mechanic at Sunsports went to their home, tied up Steve, raped the wife and then killed them both. Of course, this could just be wild rumors by several of the posters. So, take it for what it is worth...

[IdahoMom]

This article is worrying me. Plus, why haven't the DNA results arrived yet? I thought the Sheriff was waiting by the phone a week ago!

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/NEWS01/601110423/1075

Sheriff's officials announced last week that they have a suspect but said they are waiting for DNA evidence to come back from a laboratory in Ohio.
Investigators searched the area immediately after the crime but were retracing their steps Tuesday. Sheriff's office volunteers and crime-scene technicians hunted for any clues that could link the killer to the crime.

"It's not a last-ditch effort," sheriff's office spokesman Angelo Vaughn said. "This is a double homicide. Things have to be done thoroughly."

...Vaughn wouldn't say whether investigators were looking for a murder weapon, only "anything that may tie into the case."

Cypress Pointe resident Scott Provencher, 34, said he couldn't figure out why investigators were back as he walked his dog near the search crews.

"It makes no sense," he said. "I'm sure they have evidence, but obviously there must be some reasonable doubt. :eek:

"If they had concrete evidence like whatever kind of weapon with fingerprints, it would be a closed case."

[PrayersForMaura]

Thanks for posting this information. IdahoMom posted a link to a message board that is speculating that it was the husband who was having an affair. So, perhaps, one of them was. Let us know if you hear anything else.

It's so sad. From the looks of the photos posted by IM, they look like such a loving and happy couple. It's too bad that someone took their lives, no matter the reason.

ETA: From what I have read on the message board posted by IM, it sounds like many posters are saying that Steve, the husband, was having an affair with a girl in his office where he worked as a landscape architect. The girlfriend's boyfriend who worked as a mechanic at Sunsports went to their home, tied up Steve, raped the wife and then killed them both. Of course, this could just be wild rumors by several of the posters. So, take it for what it is worth...Hmm...
It would almost make more sense that she was having the affair and wanted to stay with her husband, so the guy got insanely jealous and full of rage and psycho obsession and raped her in front of her husband to make him watch and then killed him because he was the guy she chose over him and her too, because he was so angry.

But who knows.
It could be the other way around, too.

Whoever did this is just sick, sick, sick.

[mysteriew]

I have a weird thought. Please don't slap me.
But, LE has announced that they have a suspect, they have announced they have him under surveillance, media is all over this. I would bet you couldn't pick up a paper in that area without seeing related headlines, and it would be all over the news.
So what is the perp thinking? He knows he left DNA there. He knows the DNA is being tested. He knows the public is outraged. He knows or thinks that LE is watching him. His only options are to give himself up, run, or wait till they come and get him, or kill himself.
Me, I would figure it was all over and probably give myself up (assuming of course that I would ever commit such a crime). But this guy hasn't. So what is he thinking right now? Does he go about his regular routine without any change? Does he become extra loving toward his loved ones, and try to do the things he knows he will do without after this? Does he appear nervous, and jumpy? He can't talk to anyone, because he knows if he does they may end up on the witness stand against him. Is he relieved that they aren't talking about the DNA right now?
I just wonder what he is thinking about right now.

[MistyGirl]

I have a weird thought. Please don't slap me.
But, LE has announced that they have a suspect, they have announced they have him under surveillance, media is all over this. I would bet you couldn't pick up a paper in that area without seeing related headlines, and it would be all over the news.
So what is the perp thinking? He knows he left DNA there. He knows the DNA is being tested. He knows the public is outraged. He knows or thinks that LE is watching him. His only options are to give himself up, run, or wait till they come and get him, or kill himself.
Me, I would figure it was all over and probably give myself up (assuming of course that I would ever commit such a crime). But this guy hasn't. So what is he thinking right now? Does he go about his regular routine without any change? Does he become extra loving toward his loved ones, and try to do the things he knows he will do without after this? Does he appear nervous, and jumpy? He can't talk to anyone, because he knows if he does they may end up on the witness stand against him. Is he relieved that they aren't talking about the DNA right now?
I just wonder what he is thinking about right now.I was thinking the same thing. I have been reading the other forum that someone listed above and I read some where on that forum in a post that the girlfriend of the supposed suspect has killed herself............I am trying to find any articles that support that but have been unable to.

This is such a sad case I hope they will be able to arrest who ever did this.

[Shadow205]

Misty,

The females name who supposedly comitted suicide is "Kelly" if that helps any in your search. There was also mention of a CVS? Drug store? I think that is where she worked or maybe where the suicide occured. There is also speculation over on that other board about a public official being involved. This case is quite interesting.

[MistyGirl]

Misty,

The females name who supposedly comitted suicide is "Kelly" if that helps any in your search. There was also mention of a CVS? Drug store? I think that is where she worked or maybe where the suicide occured. There is also speculation over on that other board about a public official being involved. This case is quite interesting.
Thank you for the information - I was trying to read all of the thread at the other site but it is so long & so much bickering etc it is hard to weed through it all.

This case indeed in very interesting and I am suprised I ahve nto heard more about as I am from Minnesota. I did however see their obits in the Minneapolis Star Tribune paper on Sunday.

It will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.

[Shadow205]

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5436&z=3&p=

Deputies are treating the woman's death as a suicide.

This is the suicide that they keep referring to on the other board.

[IdahoMom]

http://www.bonitanews.com/news/2006/jan/04/tom_hanson_couples_murder_has_makings_classic_nanc/

snip

Tom Hanson: Couple's murder has the makings for a classic 'Nancy Grace'

By Tom Hanson

Wednesday, January 4, 2006

The murders of Steven and Michelle Andrews in their Gateway home, two days after Christmas, has piqued the curiosity of the area — and soon the nation.

This case is a "Nancy Grace" show in the making. Grace, the outspoken and aggressive former violent crimes prosecutor turned CNN anchor, lives for cases such as one involving this young Fort Myers couple.

Gregg McCrary, a former FBI agent who is the co-author of "Crime Classification Manual," agreed that this case has all of the elements to garner national headlines. And even though local investigators have been understandably tight-lipped with much of the information, McCrary, who has appeared on "Larry King Live" and "Rivera Live" as an expert murder profiler, said the smallest details are telling.

The fact that this isn't a random crime — this according to the Lee County Sheriff's Office — the murder of the couple, both 28, falls into a distinct category.

"Most homicides, in general, are committed by someone the victims knew," said McCrary, who worked for the FBI for 25 years, the final 10 as a behavioral science expert.

"And since you know that this wasn't a random crime there are a couple basic theories you would start with," he added. "You look for something that triggered the (killer's) anger."

Did someone hold a grudge against the victims?

Was one of the victims having an affair?

Was there some sort of love triangle?"

McCrary said this type of a murder, one where the victims were evidently familiar with their assailant, typically is a crime of passion. In these cases, a killer doesn't have a well-thought-out plan and doesn't worry about leaving a trail of fingerprints or DNA, according to McCrary. He understands why the Sheriff's Office is confident that they have a suspect in the double murder and an arrest is near. "This is called affected violence," McCrary said. "We are probably dealing with a non-evidence conscious person who had an emotional breakdown and acted out of raw passion. It's an impulse crime and it's very unlikely (he or she) will kill again." .....

...
New evidence was shipped Tuesday via overnight express to a private lab in Ohio, where Taylor said the case is the No. 1 priority.

[MistyGirl]

I sure hope whoever the possible "suspect" is that they really are keeping an EYE on.....because whoever it is has to know that they have an "idea/clue" who they are and it wont be long before they arrest them.

[PrayersForMaura]

Sheriff calls Gateway murder news conference
The sheriff's office will hold a news conference at 5:30 p.m. regarding the Gateway double homicide. Tune to NBC2 News at 5:30 for details from the briefing or check back to this site.

http://www.nbc-2.com/




Could this be the new we're waiting for?


sorry, I took the graphic out. I hope it didn't annoy anyone!

[MistyGirl]

http://www.nbc-2.com/BreakingNews.gif





Sheriff calls Gateway murder news conference
The sheriff's office will hold a news conference at 5:30 p.m. regarding the Gateway double homicide. Tune to NBC2 News at 5:30 for details from the briefing or check back to this site.

http://www.nbc-2.com/




Could this be the new we're waiting for?
Ok it is 4:14 Central Standard Time here in MN so what time would that be here???? 7:30 pm??? I can never keep the time zones straight

[PrayersForMaura]

Ok it is 4:14 Central Standard Time here in MN so what time would that be here???? 7:30 pm??? I can never keep the time zones straight
No, it would be 5:14 your time. Not too much longer!

[vanillasky]

Ok it is 4:14 Central Standard Time here in MN so what time would that be here???? 7:30 pm??? I can never keep the time zones straight


Florida would be one hour ahead of Central time, so 4:30 your time.

[MistyGirl]

Ok I figured it out....that means 15 minutes from now...so 4:30 Minnesota time....DUh...sorry

[MistyGirl]

If anyone will be watching the news conference live please keep us posted here...I am at work and wont be able to see it...not sure if I could in Minensota anyhow. Thanks!!

[bugs]

:( This stirs up those sick to my stomach feelings I got when I knew things were coming down from Laci's case.

[MistyGirl]

I agree whatever they have to say I am sure is not "good" news. This is so sad. I really hope it was not because one of them a had an affair that they were both killed.....that will be really tough for the families to swallow. This is so, so sad.

[PrayersForMaura]

I have the news on my computer. I will try to get some updates.

[PrayersForMaura]

Fred Cooper 27 charged 2 counts of 1st degree murder

[bugs]

The hubby was having an affair and the boyfriend of the girl killed this couple.

[PrayersForMaura]

Reporter says intimate details will be released within 24 hours.

DNA evidence yielded something.

A pair of tennis shoes were found, not sure if they were linked to case.

[PrayersForMaura]

A lot of neighbors in the community knew about this about this.
Fred Cooper has not been cooperative at all.
He's been working at a business off of Metro Parkway.
Auto Mechanic. Motorcycle mechanic. Possibly even drives a motorcycle.
Possibly heard a motorcycle that night.

Media knows that people are chatting about this on web forums

[MistyGirl]

OMG how terrible for these 2 famlies to deal with. This was a sensless crime.

[vanillasky]

There's a picture on this link:

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5486&z=3&p=

[PrayersForMaura]

the forum is unregulated.

"But just as free speech has its problems and pitfalls, so too, potentially, does content you'll find here. You have to be the judge of each anonymous writer's credibility,'' it says.
----

This is the link to the reader's forum in the local paper. Thought some here might like to read what's posted there:

http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145

I have to admit, the person that first posted info on this forum was right on the mark. And a few other that gave some details.
If you want to read about possible accounts of what happened that night, it appears some people in the know have posted on this forum.

Some of it is not nice either :(

Thanks for posting the link Idahomom. I got through most of it the other night, and there since had been some added before the press conference just now. The posters must be neighbors or co-workers, but they definitely know.

[bugs]

My theory, Fred Cooper probably raped her and killed her in front of her husband, then shot him. My question, why should the wife have to pay the price for her husband. :mad:

[bugs]

http://www.nbc-2.com/

Go to this site and there is Fred!!

[MistyGirl]

Ok here is my million dollar question....was the girl "Kelly" that they found in CSV parking lot who killed herself Fred's Girl friend who cheated with Steven????

And was she there the night this happened???????

[vanillasky]

My theory, Fred Cooper probably raped her and killed her in front of her husband, then shot him. My question, why should the wife have to pay the price for her husband. :mad:


There is speculation about why on that news forum, but I am not going to repeat it here. It's in the quote of the 1st post on this page: http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=870

[PrayersForMaura]

There's a picture on this link:

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5486&z=3&p=


he spooks me out! :sick:

[bugs]

Ok here is my million dolalr question....was the girl "Kelly" that they found in CSV parkin glot who killed herself Fred's Girl friend who cheated with Steven????


Good question........

[Shadow205]

Misty,

The females name who supposedly comitted suicide is "Kelly" if that helps any in your search. There was also mention of a CVS? Drug store? I think that is where she worked or maybe where the suicide occured. There is also speculation over on that other board about a public official being involved. This case is quite interesting.
Records show that he and Kellie Ballew had a baby girl, Carlie Ann, in Aug. 2000.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/NEWS01/60111013/1002

I wonder if that was her that comitted suicde. See post#76

[bugs]

There is speculation about why on that news forum, but I am not going to repeat it here. It's in the quote of the 1st post on this page: http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=870


Thanks! So the girl that did commit suicide was indeed Fred girlfriend? Oh my gosh. So many lives destroyed over an affair. It is not worth it.

[vanillasky]

Records show that he and Kellie Ballew had a baby girl, Carlie Ann, in Aug. 2000.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/NEWS01/60111013/1002

I wonder if that was her that comitted suicde. See post#76

Good find Shadow205. If it was in fact the same Kellie, that will leave another child without parents. 2 children losing their parents over an affair. *sigh* :(

[nanandjim]

I don't know if this link has been posted. It contains several photos of the couple as well as their son.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=A4&Date=20060105&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=601050802&Ref=PH&Profile=1075&Params=Itemnr=1

Also, here is FL DOC information about Fred Cooper when he was last incarcerated several years ago. I wonder what he looks like now. I also wonder what his girlfriend, Kelly, looks (or looked) like.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmateReleases/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=741057298

Also, they are saying that Kelly and Fred moved to Orlando last Saturday. So, I'm assuming that she didn't commit suicide.

[MistyGirl]

Ok there are some very interesting posts on that threaad. One I copied & pasted on my computer about a theroy etc of why & how this happened an dI will be very interested to see if this is the case. I would post it but I don't think I can do that. Ok I am heading hoem for the night - I will check back tomorrow!

[Shadow205]

http://photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/th_FredCooper.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/?action=view&current=FredCooper.jpg)

I think this pictures is from 1999

[Alice253]

Thanks! So the girl that did commit suicide was indeed Fred girlfriend? Oh my gosh. So many lives destroyed over an affair. It is not worth it.

Bugs, go to post #93 and click on the link and listen to the video. Apparently when Fred moved to Orlando, his girlfriend went with him. Now, whether it is a new girlfriend, or this "Kelly" is anybody's guess. Then again, the reporter or LE (I can't remember now if it was the reporter or the LE that said she was in Orlando) could have been misinformed. Just don't know.....

ETA: I listened again and they are definite it is the girlfriend who allegedly had the affair with Steve.

[nanandjim]

Ok there are some very interesting posts on that threaad. One I copied & pasted on my computer about a theroy etc of why & how this happened an dI will be very interested to see if this is the case. I would post it but I don't think I can do that. Ok I am heading hoem for the night - I will check back tomorrow!
I am wondering if Steve ended the affair with Kelly, and she got mad and told her boyfriend that Steve had forced himself on her or some other kind of BS story. She had to have said something to make him so enraged that he felt that it was necessary to kill two people and possibly rape Michelle, too. Michelle was an innocent bystander in all of this.

What an idiot. He murders two people and moves with his girlfriend to Orlando. His girlfriend was a cheater, too. Didn't he stop to think about that??

[Shadow205]

I can't find and Obit for a Kellie Ballew or any Kelly so I don't don't know if the suicide thing is true or not. I must say though, some of the posts on the other board have been right. It seems like there are some people posting there that knew the victims and maybe even the suspect.

[nanandjim]

The neighbors in the Gateway community have said that Michelle knew of the affair and that she and Steve were working it out. Steve gave Michelle a Christmas card that said something about this. So, again, I am wondering how Fred "suddenly" found out about the affair--after it ended. Was it the "sour grapes" girlfriend, Kelly, who told Fred, adding her spin on things? Perhaps, Kelly thought that she was moving up the food chain by having an affair with Steve. When she realized that she had been "used," she got mad and told her boyfriend that Steve had forced himself on her or whatever.

Someone said that Kelly wouldn't be charged with a crime. I just hope that if she instigated this situation, she can be charged with something.

[nanandjim]

Okay, this link has a current photo of Fred. He's certainly not cute.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/11/man_charged_gateway_killings_affair_noted/

[Jean]

I am so glad an arrest has been made. I just couldn't get this case off of my mind. Thanks everyone for the great coverage, I was not at home this afternoon when the arrest announcement was made, so it was nice to be able to read all of the informative posts when I checked this thread out.

[IdahoMom]

I can't find and Obit for a Kellie Ballew or any Kelly so I don't don't know if the suicide thing is true or not. I must say though, some of the posts on the other board have been right. It seems like there are some people posting there that knew the victims and maybe even the suspect.
They're saying the suicide victim was a young runaway.

[nanandjim]

I'm reading on the other board that Kellie "preferred Steve and had told Fred at a Christmas party that she was leaving him." I guess that she did prefer Steve. He was everything that Fred wasn't.

[IdahoMom]

I'm reading on the other board that Kellie "preferred Steve and had told Fred at a Christmas party that she was leaving him." I guess that she did prefer Steve. He was everything that Fred wasn't....including MARRIED! :loser:

What a waste of life! I feel very sorry for Michelle, and their son, of course.

[cheko1]

What a tragedy for everyone concerned. No winners came out of this mess!

[nanandjim]

Did you notice that Fred has two black eyes? They look like 'old' bruises? I wonder if those are from a struggle with Steve??

[SieSie]

Did you notice that Fred has two black eyes? They look like 'old' bruises? I wonder if those are from a struggle with Steve??
http://tinypic.com/k2zu5h.jpg
I noticed the bruises, too, nan!

[nanandjim]

http://tinypic.com/k2zu5h.jpg
I noticed the bruises, too, nan!
I just read that a report on NBC-2 said that he was in a car accident about a week ago.

[cheko1]

I was hoping Steve had beat the crap out of him before he was murdered.

[IdahoMom]

Steve and Michelle's website has been taken down. This is the message there:

There are a lot of accusations and hearsay being posted, that is not what this is about.
This is for grieving family and friends.
This site is not a weblog or a public forum, that is why this is no longer available.

[SewingDeb]

It's sad that those kinds of comments were not kept to the public forum so that site could be a true memorial site.

[IdahoMom]

It's sad that those kinds of comments were not kept to the public forum so that site could be a true memorial site.
I agree! :(

[PrayersForMaura]

...During the press conference, Sheriff Mike Scott said Steven Andrews was having an affair with a coworker, Kellie Ballew, and Cooper is the Ballew's boyfriend.

...
We spoke with Kellie Ballew, Cooper's girlfriend, by phone. When asked what she did when she found out Steven was dead she had no reply. When asked if she called the police, she responded, "No."

Ballew also said, "I have a young daughter to think about. I'm putting her first."

Ballew worked with Steven at Outside Productions, Inc. in Bonita Springs.

Cooper worked at Sun Sport Motorcycle and Watercraft on Metro Parkway, but employees there had no comment. He reportedly quit his job on Saturday and then moved to Orlando.

This is not Fred Cooper's first arrest. Cooper was sentenced to three years in prison for a burglary incident on January 2, 1994 in Martin County. He served time from 12/7/1994 to 3/27/1996.



More: http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5486&z=3&p=

[MistyGirl]

Oh this whole thing is so very sad & senseless it just angers me. My heart breaks for poor Michelle & her son Luke. To think that she lost her life, her chance to be a mother & watch Luke grow to be man & father someday just makes my blood boil all because of her "husbands" choices. Yes of course he is victim too and no matter what he did he doesn't deserve this fait and the person to be angry at is Cooper and I am....but I am sorry I just feel terrible that Michelle and innocent bystander had to pay for this whole mess. I can't even imagine the horror she went through while she was being murdered and knowing she would never be able to see her son again......so sad. I am glad someone has been arrested.

As as for this Kellie to not notify police once she learned her lover was murdered along with his wife...........HELLO RED FLAGS maybe you should call the POLICE I mean come on what kind of person are you!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?! All class.........nothing but.....

She knew something.......come one you all of sudden move to Orlando right after this happens????????

[MistyGirl]

I have been trying to find a picture of Kellie - but I am having no luck....if any finds one please post. Thanks!!


Also trying to search if either Kellie or Fred had "My Space" or similar websites etc. I am searching now.....not sure what I will find but I will post whatever I do find if anything.

[IdahoMom]

I have been trying to find a picture of Kellie - but I am having no luck....if any finds one please post. Thanks!!


Also trying to search if either Kellie or Fred had "My Space" or similar websites etc. I am searching now.....not sure what I will find but I will post whatever I do find if anything.Yeah, me too. I would like to see what this woman looks like-this woman that had the audacity to go to their funerals.
That is like spitting on Michelle's grave, in my opinion.

[eve]

...During the press conference, Sheriff Mike Scott said Steven Andrews was having an affair with a coworker, Kellie Ballew, and Cooper is the Ballew's boyfriend.

...
We spoke with Kellie Ballew, Cooper's girlfriend, by phone. When asked what she did when she found out Steven was dead she had no reply. When asked if she called the police, she responded, "No."

Ballew also said, "I have a young daughter to think about. I'm putting her first."

Ballew worked with Steven at Outside Productions, Inc. in Bonita Springs.

Cooper worked at Sun Sport Motorcycle and Watercraft on Metro Parkway, but employees there had no comment. He reportedly quit his job on Saturday and then moved to Orlando.

This is not Fred Cooper's first arrest. Cooper was sentenced to three years in prison for a burglary incident on January 2, 1994 in Martin County. He served time from 12/7/1994 to 3/27/1996.



More: http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5486&z=3&p=


Wow, she sure wasn't putting her daughter first when she had an affair with a married man, all the while probably knowing her BF was a criminal hothead.

Eve

[MistyGirl]

Yeah, me too. I would like to see what this woman looks like-this woman that had the audacity to go to their funerals.
That is like spitting on Michelle's grave, in my opinion.

You are kidding me...she went to their funerals..........this woman disgusts me, I can't beleive she would have the nerve to do such a thing. :sick:

You can't tell me that she did not know that their murders were because of HER ties to this married man. From the way it sounds her & Freddy lived together so if the 911 call came in at 7:00 am thenhe was not home all night I am sure she asked him where he was etc. Ya know I would not be suprised at ALL if she ends up being arrested because she was there or helped cover up this crime.

[captain exposition]

She went to the funerals! That is sooooo tacky.I can't believe she didn't contact the police. How would the boyfriend being arrested sooner compromise her child's safety? Or was she afraid of her family's reputation? I'm not sure I understand what she ment by that comment.

[MistyGirl]

Wow, she sure wasn't putting her daughter first when she had an affair with a married man, all the while probably knowing her BF was a criminal hothead.

Eve

I agree.

Oh yes what a loving, devoted, concerned mother she was. BAW...whatever. If she was so worried about her daughter then she should not have been #$%&ing around with a married man. I am sorry but this woman is trash in my opinion.

[MistyGirl]

She went to the funerals! That is sooooo tacky.I can't believe she didn't contact the police. How would the boyfriend being arrested sooner compromise her child's safety? Or was she afraid of her family's reputation? I'm not sure I understand what she ment by that comment.
She didn't know what she meant by that comment...she jsut thought it would make her sound good....she is talking out of her A$$.

She has more to do with this, I feel more will come out......just a feeling I have.

[MistyGirl]

Thank goodness Freddy was deniied bail!

Fred D. Cooper Jr was denied bond today by a circuit court judge in Lee County.

Cooper, 27, was charged yesterday with two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28.

more here: http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060112/NEWS01/60112007/1075

[captain exposition]

She didn't know what she meant by that comment...she jsut thought it would make her sound good....she is talking out of her A$$.

She has more to do with this, I feel more will come out......just a feeling I have.
I think your right, she was just saying what she thought she should say. I would not be surprised at all if she knew what happened, if not before then at least after. Hopefully for the sake of her daughter her worst crime is not going to the authorities and not actual participation in the murders.

[nanandjim]

She went to the funerals!...
How do they know that she went to the funeral? I would have thought that the parents would have denied her entrance. I can only say that this young woman is very nervy.

[nanandjim]

This is a very interesting post from "Splendidchink" on the news-press forum. This poster seems to have been very accurate with his/her posts.

this is the scuttlebutt from the cops.

Husband was still in the relationship-in fact, it ended and then they mutually went at it again. Doesn't sound too remorseful. In fact, they think that the victim actually might have initiated the conflict. That's why the sheriff stated so bluntly that he was cheating-he actually was obsessed with her (remember my earlier posting about certain females, good looking or not, just exuding "sexiness") and didn't want the freaky loving to stop.

The suicide is in no way related. A runaway druggie.

The black eyes are from an auto accident last Sunday.

The girlfriend IS being cooperative with the investigators-just young, dumb and naive.

The daughter was pulled out of Three Oaks Elementary last week.

The wife found out about him cheating again and did contact the girlfriend-Freddie might have listened to a voice mail. In fact, they are looking into the wifes possible involvement with a prominent figure she met in the course of her work and was seeing.

It;s amazing what bartenders and waitstaff hear in the course of their jobs!

[nanandjim]

Okay, here is another interesting quote from "redfish" who says that this is not speculation but fact. Take it for what it's worth.

Here's the deal. Steve and Kellie were together the night that the murder occurred. The boyfriend saw them and then followed Steve home where he waited for his opportunity. There was no forced entry because everything was unlocked. The couple were engaged in marital relations (why do you think no rape charges have been filed, even though there were fluids?). The killer came in and killed them both and tried to make it look like a murder suicide, only he was sloppy and didn't think to leave the gun.

Redfish also said that Steve was shot in the head. I have read in the news that a carpet and a bed were removed from the house. So, maybe, Redfish does know something??

[MistyGirl]

Okay, here is another interesting quote from "redfish" who says that this is not speculation but fact. Take it for what it's worth.

Here's the deal. Steve and Kellie were together the night that the murder occurred. The boyfriend saw them and then followed Steve home where he waited for his opportunity. There was no forced entry because everything was unlocked. The couple were engaged in marital relations (why do you think no rape charges have been filed, even though there were fluids?). The killer came in and killed them both and tried to make it look like a murder suicide, only he was sloppy and didn't think to leave the gun.

Redfish also said that Steve was shot in the head. I have read in the news that a carpet and a bed were removed from the house. So, maybe, Redfish does know something??
nanandjim - Did you see this post

"That's what I am hearing from a very liable source who is now talking. Michelle woke up and gave Cooper one hell of a fight."

That would also git with them taking th ecarpet & bed.

Where are thy getting all their info???? It is crazy over there.

[MistyGirl]

Kellie has a profile on classmates.com no pcitures though...she claims she is married to Cooper. You can do a search with this information She went to Edgewater High in Orlando. Orange County. Grad yr 97

[bugs]

nanandjim - Did you see this post

"That's what I am hearing from a very liable source who is now talking. Michelle woke up and gave Cooper one hell of a fight."

That would also git with them taking th ecarpet & bed.

Where are thy getting all their info???? It is crazy over there.


Wonder if he didn't intend on killing Michelle, but after she put up a fight he had no choice.

[MistyGirl]

Wonder if he didn't intend on killing Michelle, but after she put up a fight he had no choice.
Yeah maybe he went there to confront Steven only & Michelle was slepeing & the 2 guys got into it and the noise work Michelle and she got involved and was killed trying to defend her cheating husband.

[mysteriew]

Kellie has a profile on classmates.com no pcitures though...she claims she is married to Cooper. You can do a search with this information She went to Edgewater High in Orlando. Orange County. Grad yr 97

Wonder if she also has a myspace or xanga acct?

[MistyGirl]

Ya know I wonder could this be a possible scenario:



Steven & Kellie work together, Steven is nice looking guy (we don’t know what Kellie looks like yet) and how Kellie has a child with this loser guy and has been dating him for the past 6 years or more. She feels trapped and can’t leave etc. So she starts crying on Steven shoulder about how tough she has had it and how unhappy she is etc and Steven be friends here and tells her – You are worth more then that, you deserve better etc….BUT there was no affair maybe Steven was really just a shoulder for her etc. BUT Kellie then thinks yeah he is right and oh how I want someone like him etc, he is paying attention to me etc. SO Kellie tells Freddy this guy at work treats me good etc and I am leaving you I deserve better or you better shape up or I am leaving you for him. Then in a rage Freddy goes to shut the mouth of the guy pumping his girl friend full of this crap. I mean is it possible there was no sexual affair????? And that Kellie was using her working friendship relationship with Steven to make Freddy jealous…..there are woman out there that play these games.



Just a thought………..because they only have confirmed there was a realtionship between Steven & Kellie they have not said it was sexual........but chacne are good it was.........I was just trying think well what "if"......

[vanillasky]

How do they know that she went to the funeral? I would have thought that the parents would have denied her entrance. I can only say that this young woman is very nervy.


I'm guessing that maybe they (the parents) didn't know about the affair and wouldn't have known her from anyone else attending the funeral.

[MistyGirl]

I'm guessing that maybe they (the parents) didn't know about the affair and wouldn't have known her from anyone else attending the funeral.
I am not sure what the family new at the time of the funeral but she was there and as she was leaving she gave the reporters of new-press.com a few quotes. Let me go seacrh and I find the articles an dpost them here as soon as I find them.

[Michelle Read]

I have been trying to find a picture of Kellie - but I am having no luck....if any finds one please post. Thanks!!


Also trying to search if either Kellie or Fred had "My Space" or similar websites etc. I am searching now.....not sure what I will find but I will post whatever I do find if anything.
On the following link is a picture of Kellie Ballew:

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5491&z=3&p=

[petra]

http://www.abc-7.com/articles/readnews.asp?articleid=5491&z=2&p=


another article just posted

[PrayersForMaura]

On the following link is a picture of Kellie Ballew:

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5491&z=3&p=
Wow, she is not what I expected, quite honestly.
She is quite innocent looking, very attractive in a pure kind of way in that picture. I can't see her with Fred AT ALL.

Gosh, do I sound weird or what?

I get so involved in these cases that I sometimes try to picture what the people look like. I don't know. I pictured Kelly to be dark haired. Long hair.
Just different than this.

[nanandjim]

On the following link is a picture of Kellie Ballew:

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5491&z=3&p=
That picture looks like a high school yearbook picture which would be about 8 or 9 years ago. I wonder what she looks like today. A lot can change--look at her boyfriend, Cooper. He sure has changed over the years!

If Fred Cooper didn't intend on killing Michelle, why didn't he wait to get Steve alone? That could have been accomplished very easily.

I do think that Fred is a controlling, if not abusive, individual. So, he probably beat the everloving crap out of Michelle for fighting back. Controlling guys would have to put a woman in her place, you know. :rolleyes:

If half of what is on the other board is true, it sounds like it was a very gruesome murder scene. :eek:

[PrayersForMaura]

Wow, she sure wasn't putting her daughter first when she had an affair with a married man, all the while probably knowing her BF was a criminal hothead.

EveI was thinking the exact same thing. She sure wasn't putting her daughter first when she was fooling around! :furious: :loser:

[PrayersForMaura]

That picture looks like a high school yearbook picture which would be about 8 or 9 years ago. I wonder what she looks like today. A lot can change--look at her boyfriend, Cooper. He sure has changed over the years!

If Fred Cooper didn't intend on killing Michelle, why didn't he wait to get Steve alone? That could have been accomplished very easily.

I do think that Fred is a controlling, if not abusive, individual. So, he probably beat the everloving crap out of Michelle for fighting back. Controlling guys would have to put a woman in her place, you know. :rolleyes:

If half of what is on the other board is true, it sounds like it was a very gruesome murder scene. :eek:
yeah, that has to be a high school picture or something. She looks to young and pretty... especially to be with creepy Freddie Krueger Cooper. :eek:

That other board is too weird. There are some rather "blunt" people over there. They do know a lot obviously because they were posting some of what we know over a week ago before any of this came out.
Scary. I would've been scared to see that crime scene. Poor Michelle.
She didn't deserve this and neither did her child.

[MistyGirl]

Yeah she looks very young and innocent in that picture and it is here high school photo I am sure befor elong we will see a more recent photo of her.

The other board is pretty crazy but they sure seem to have some info that has been true it is amazing how they can get a hold of it. I will be following this case until the end. I feel a weird connection to the couple since they were from Minnesota and are my age. I feel terrible for Michelle and her baby boy Luke. So sad.

[petra]

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5494&z=3&p=

just updated

[vanillasky]

Thanks Petra!

So that picture of Kellie was from 1987. I'm curious what she looks like today.

[nanandjim]

I've been thinking about the motive and what enraged Fred to attack and murder both Steve and Michelle that night. Based on the rumors on the other site, I have come up with a couple of scenarios.

*The rumors are that Steve and Kellie ended their affair and started up again.
*Kellie no longer worked at Steve's workplace (can't think of the name).
*Steve was with Kellie that night, and Fred saw them together.
*Steve gave Michelle a Christmas card talking about making it through a difficult year.

Could it be possible that Steve and Kellie did have an affair when Kellie worked at the same place. However, the affair ended when Kellie left that place of employment. Perhaps, Fred heard Kellie whispering on her phone to someone or talking to someone in a sexy way. Fred, the intimidating brute, demands to know who Kellie was talking to. She doesn't want to give up the real name. So, she blurts out Steve's name. Then, Fred asks where he lives, so on and so forth.

IOW, could it be possible that Fred knew or suspected Kellie was having an affair with Steve in the past and made her quit her job? Then, she lies and says that it is Steve on the phone when it wasn't. So, Fred it really mad, thinking that this Steve guy just won't quit until he kills him. He drives over to Steve's house and shows him what it feels like to screwed around on.

[petra]

Thanks Petra!

So that picture of Kellie was from 1987. I'm curious what she looks like today.you are welcome.

that would be interesting to see. i know that i hardly look a day older than my school picture from some 30 yrs ago. ;)

[Details]

To protect her daugher, Kelli should have done all she could to put the police on the right track, to get Fred put away before he decided to kill her or her daughter as well!

[petra]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/13/tom_hanson_whos_blame_gateway_homicides/?local_news

updated news article from today

[kgeaux]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/13/tom_hanson_whos_blame_gateway_homicides/?local_news

updated news article from today

Thanks, petra. This article says Kellie voluntarily contacted authorities 12 hours after the crime. That contridicts what was being said earlier. If she contacted authorities that quickly---she isn't the hard-hearted woman I was first thinking her to be.

[nanandjim]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/13/tom_hanson_whos_blame_gateway_homicides/?local_news

updated news article from today
Thanks for posting the article. I still wonder if Steve had ended the affair, and Kellie then told her boyfriend, Fred, about it, spinning it as if Steve were pursuing her.

I just don't believe that Fred would have done anything had Kellie not said something to enrage him.

[nanandjim]

Here is the probable cause statement from police. They interviewed Fred on 12/27 and suspected him all along.
http://www.news-press.com/assets/html/A415935112.PDF

[PrayersForMaura]

Here is the probable cause statement from police. They interviewed Fred on 12/27 and suspected him all along.
http://www.news-press.com/assets/html/A415935112.PDF
thanks for posting that. What do you think was blacked out in that one line?

[PrayersForMaura]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/13/tom_hanson_whos_blame_gateway_homicides/?local_news

updated news article from today
Wow, thanks for this story.

I have to say, the reporters covering this story write pretty well. I have seen some rather well-written stories both on the TV sites and the news papers regarding this sad, sad story. :(

[MistyGirl]

Thank you all for the great postings this morning. This case is on my mind so much I just can't seem to shake it at all.

They way the police report stated things is not that Kellie contacted them 1st but they figured out Steven was having an affair with her and they contacted her and she then she came in for an interveiw......but had the investigators never learned of the affair I don't think she would have ever just called the police and said "Hi I am Kellie & was having an affair with Steven I have information for you".......I still beleive she had more to do with this whole thing - I too agree with whoever said she must have been stirring the pot with Freddy.

[Michelle Read]

Thanks Petra!

So that picture of Kellie was from 1987. I'm curious what she looks like today.
photo is from 1997, 9 years ago.

[Details]

Thanks for posting the article. I still wonder if Steve had ended the affair, and Kellie then told her boyfriend, Fred, about it, spinning it as if Steve were pursuing her.

I just don't believe that Fred would have done anything had Kellie not said something to enrage him.I can believe it - we've seen lots of posessive controlling boyfriends do insane things. Like the guy who killed his own kids to get back at his wife - this isn't much at all different.

[MistyGirl]

I can believe it - we've seen lots of posessive controlling boyfriends do insane things. Like the guy who killed his own kids to get back at his wife - this isn't much at all different.
You make a good point. You just never really know. Freddy had to have not been wired right from the beginning and this was just the spark that was needed to start the fire in side him...normal people don't do what he has done - I mean people who murder something must just be "off" in them.

[vanillasky]

photo is from 1997, 9 years ago.



I made a typo.

[MistyGirl]

I made a typo.
I knew what you meant :blowkiss:

[nanandjim]

...What do you think was blacked out in that one line?
I think a description of what the officer saw on Fred's body was blacked out. For instance, it could have read, "Broken nose, two black eyes and scratches on his arms and hands."

Bear in mind, this is just my guess!

[concernedperson]

You make a good point. You just never really know. Freddy had to have not been wired right from the beginning and this was just the spark that was needed to start the fire in side him...normal people don't do what he has done - I mean people who murder something must just be "off" in them.

I think we are looking at the "off" issue more and more.

[vanillasky]

I knew what you meant :blowkiss:


Thank you! :blowkiss:

[mysteriew]

Article with an extensive background on Fred Cooper's history.
http://www.bonitanews.com/news/2006/jan/13/gateway_killing_suspects_past_includes_lengthy_cri/

[nanandjim]

Article with an extensive background on Fred Cooper's history.
http://www.bonitanews.com/news/2006/jan/13/gateway_killing_suspects_past_includes_lengthy_cri/
Thanks for posting this article. It has a lot of new information. Cooper and Ballew sound like any other young couple. I just don't know why Cooper would resort to such an extreme.

Perhaps, Kellie was the only good thing that happened in his life; and he really feared losing her to someone "better" than himself. That's the only thing that I can think of that would drive him to commit such a horrible crime.

Bear in mind, I am not trying to justify his actions. I am just trying to make some sense out of what he did.

[MistyGirl]

Thanks for posting the article - I was unable to be online this weekend.

[joanofarc]

This case is so weird...why would Kelly, who allegedly had an affair with Steve, suddenly pull up stakes and move away with Fred into her brother's house shortly after the murders....unless Kelly is so afraid of Fred that she has, in her mind, no other choice, I don't understand this...what, she thought nothing of her man Cooper being under suspicion for murdering her lover (if he was her lover), his wife and leaving their 2 year old an orphan :doh:...

So, did Cooper have the warm fuzzies for the little boy and he dialed 911 before he left or was this reminisant of a "softer" female touch in feeling compassion for the little boy? That said, I am inclined to think that one of the victims was able to dial the phone and I suppose that is why the authorities don't think the boy called...possibly they found blood on the phone handle or something....

It was said the little boy had blood on his socks...so was he put to bed with his socks on...the 911 call was said to have been made at 7:00 am in the morning, so my question is was the family already up and the little boy dressed...or was he still in his pj's? The 27th was a Tuesday...did the family have to go to work that day? Did the reports say the couple was discovered in their bed or bedroom or where the bodies were located...I apologize, I might have missed this part as I am joining this discussion late....TIA

[PrayersForMaura]

The thought of that little boy walking around on a bloody floor around the dead bodies of his parents makes me ill. :sick:

That poor little boy. He must've seen and at least heard some things.
It just makes me sick to think he was there in that house while his parents were there dying and then lifeless until the police got there.
I don't care if it was 5 minutes or 5 hours, it was too long no matter how long it was.

I hope Fred is feeling some guilt and shame for what he has done to both his child and their child. He's ruined a good portion of their lives with his rage and senseless, cruel actions.

[Mama-cita]

ANyone hear of any updates in this sad case?

[nanandjim]

ANyone hear of any updates in this sad case?
Just a bunch of rumors and speculations on the newspress forum. Some people are claiming to know members from both sides of the fence. It sounds like it was a horrific crime. I guess that we will have to wait until the trial to really find out what happened.

[MistyGirl]

I found this articel while googling this case this morning....I thought some here might find it intersteing:

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/jan/20/tom_hanson_rumors_continue_long_after_arrest_made_/?local_news

[Jean]

MistyGirl, Thanks for posting the article. Some "Facts" from the article:

Fact: Cooper had a pair of black eyes when he was arrested. They were obvious in his mug shot and when he appeared for his bond hearing.

Fact: Cooper had a car accident the week before his arrest. According to Lee County Deputy Angelo Vaughn, Cooper wrecked his mother’s car in Bonita Springs. It was a one-car accident.

More facts: There isn’t an official report on this accident. Vaughn tried to find a report on Cooper’s crash but one couldn’t be found. Makes you wonder if there really was an accident. And does the accident tell you about Cooper’s state of mind before his arrest?

Fact: “Dateline” and “48 Hours” are both in Southwest Florida working on special reports to air on national television.

Fact: This won’t be the last column I’ll be writing concerning the deaths of Steven and Michelle Andrews.

[CrimeHater]

WOW!I don't know why I am just now finding this thread, but I am glad I ran across it. It has taken me a couple of hours to go through the whole thing. Its so sad. Even if Steven was having an affair, Michelle or himself did not deserve to die. People make horrible mistakes all the time, but I don't think he knew what he was getting in to.
I hope they are together now in heaven. I pray for their son Luke.

[Reader]

http://snipurl.com/lzx7

A Lee County grand jury is expected to hear the case of the Gateway murders when it convenes Wednesday in Fort Myers.

In the meantime, sheriff's officials are releasing the 911 tape of the emergency call that started the investigation.

The call sparked national interest when the sheriff's office said it was made by 2-year-old Luke Andrews. The bodies of his parents, Steven and Michelle Andrews, were found in the Gateway home Dec. 27.
-----------------------------------
news-press.com will post audio of the tape as soon as it is available.

The grand jury, which conducts deliberations in secret, will determine what charges would be leveled against suspect Fred Cooper in the deaths of Gateway couple Steven and Michelle Andrews.

By Florida law, any potential premeditated murder case must go before a grand jury. If the jurors decide Cooper, 27, should be indicted on two counts of first-degree murder, State Attorney Steve Russell would decide whether to seek the death penalty.

The grand jury will receive all the evidence the public doesn’t know yet, such as how the couple was killed, what physical evidence has been collected and potential witnesses in the case.

[lostinlimaohio]

For those looking for it, the here is the audio link:

http://www.bonitanews.com/media/audio/storyaudio/2006/911-012706.mp3

[Mama-cita]

How sad to hear little Luke say "Mommy". I can't believe anyone could orphan this little baby in such a disgusitng way.

[Maybe So]

Whoever did this murder was someone close to that little boy. They didn't want him to suffer by being in the home alone with his murdered parents, they didn't want to kill him. It was someone who cared for the child. I wonder if there was family in the area?

I agree. I think it entirely possible that the killer did not want the little boy to suffer or come to harm from being left alone and put him on the phone and left. I don't know if he personally knew or cared about that boy....but whoever he was he obviously could not kill the child nor did he want the baby to stay in that situation without help.

Of course I do think that one of the parents may have been able to dial before they died also.

I just don't think the baby called 911. Since he did not appear distraught or traumatized I don't think he realized anything was all that wrong.

Now if he had been crying and frightened then I might believe he would have known to call 911....if he had been taught to do so by a parent.

[lostfaith]

My hearing must be really getting bad. Does anyone understand what is being said at the end between the 911 dispatcher and the other woman, a female policewomen? Or is there a link for a transcripted version?

Thanks in advance. I could not understand any of it.

[concernedperson]

My hearing must be really getting bad. Does anyone understand what is being said at the end between the 911 dispatcher and the other woman, a female policewomen? Or is there a link for a transcripted version?

Thanks in advance. I could not understand any of it.

I couldn't understand it either but I did hear something that sounded more like an adult in the background. I don't think I should be a 911 operator.

[Shadow205]

Not word for word but the female officer identified herself and said ummmm, I don't see anyone here, I'm sure the parents are upstairs sleeeping. Then a little laugh and she said so I'm here.

Obviosly she had not discovered the bodies yet and thought that it was just a child playing with the phone and managed to dial 911. He voice was very light(cheerful). So that tells me that evidently the bodies were found upstairs in the bedroom and nothing was obviously disturbed downstairs.

[cdt0283]

The female officer (at the front door or in the house) calls the dispatcher:

Officer: Hello.

Dispatcher: Yes Ma'am this is the 911 Operator.

Officer: Hi, its deputy (states her name).

Dispatcher: Ok.

Officer: Um, I don't see anyone here (now?). I'm sure the parents are upstairs sleeping.

Dispatcher: Ok

Officer: So, um, I'll be here.

Dispatcher: Ok. Thanks






I couldn't understand it either but I did hear something that sounded more like an adult in the background. I don't think I should be a 911 operator.

[Mama-cita]

Fred Cooper was indicted for Steven and Michelle's murder. COD for Steven is listed as GSW to head, Michelle is listed as asphyxiation, but also had blunt force trauma and possibly GSW. Is there any way we can get a forum for this case? It is very interesting and sad. I still think every night of poor baby Luke and I wonder if he still asks about his parents. Because of his age he will one day forget, but my heart breaks to think he probably called out for Mommy and Daddy so many times and they couldn't come for him.

[Reader]

http://snipurl.com/m5cs

Prosecutors say accused Gateway killer Fred D. Cooper shot the man suspected of having an affair with his girlfriend, then beat and suffocated the victim’s wife.

Those details of the double murder five weeks ago were released Wednesday in an indictment handed down by a grand jury in Fort Myers.

Cooper, 27, of 28263 Jeneva Way, is charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of armed burglary in the deaths of Steven and Michelle Andrews, both 28. If convicted, the Bonita Springs man could face life in prison without parole or death.
----------------------------------
“A written plea of not guilty is what we anticipate,” said Randall McGruther, chief assistant state attorney.

Public defender Kenneth Garber, who is representing Cooper, did not return a
message Wednesday.

According to the indictment, Steven Andrews died of a gunshot wound, while Michelle Andrews succumbed to traumatic asphyxia and blunt force head trauma.
-------------------------------------
Deputy Tracie Gaydash responded to the Andrews’ home shortly after 7 a.m. Dec. 27 and found the couple’s 2-year-old son, Luke, connected to a 911 operator. Sheriff’s officials released a tape of the 911 call last week, but it doesn’t shed light on who may have dialed the phone.

The toddler was not harmed during the slayings and is staying with relatives.

The homicides occurred late Dec. 26 or early Dec. 27, the indictment said. Sheriff’s officials early in the investigation said the victims died between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m. Detectives recovered DNA evidence that links Cooper to the crime scene, but they haven’t said what type of forensic evidence was sent to a crime lab in Ohio.

[Mama-cita]

BUMP-

How can we get this case it's own forum?

[MistyGirl]

BUMP-

How can we get this case it's own forum?
I would like to see this case get it's own forum too, but I don't think it will happen because there doesn't seem to be enough intrest in this case. I would have thought the people her WS would be all over this one.

I have been following it from the start since Steven & Michelle were from Minnesota and it was all over the news here....not much anymore now. It is so sad for poor Luke it just breaks my heart to know what we must of saw....I know he probably wont remember but it is still very sad.

[MistyGirl]

I keep trying to paste part of this article but for some reason it shows here and then tells me my post is too short........so I give up here is the link.....

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/feb/02/gateway_killings_prosecutors_weighing_death_penalt/?local_news

[nanandjim]

I would like to see this case get it's own forum too, but I don't think it will happen because there doesn't seem to be enough intrest in this case. I would have thought the people her WS would be all over this one.

I have been following it from the start since Steven & Michelle were from Minnesota and it was all over the news here....not much anymore now. It is so sad for poor Luke it just breaks my heart to know what we must of saw....I know he probably wont remember but it is still very sad.
I've been following this case, too. In fact, it is really the only case that I have been following.

If this case goes to trial, I surely hope that it will get its own forum. It will certainly prove to be one of the most interesting cases. I definitely can see this case being made into a movie.

I don't understand why this case was not picked up by the national media. Maybe, once the trial gets underway, it will be.

[MistyGirl]

I've been following this case, too. In fact, it is really the only case that I have been following.

If this case goes to trial, I surely hope that it will get its own forum. It will certainly prove to be one of the most interesting cases. I definitely can see this case being made into a movie.

I don't understand why this case was not picked up by the national media. Maybe, once the trial gets underway, it will be.
This is pretty much the only case I have been following too. I agree I thought Nancy Grace would have for sure had this on her show. Maybe because the familie & freinds invovled in this case are not talking so therefore the media doesn't have much to go with?

I wonder how long it will take before his trial will start? i would liek to know what Kellie knew either befor ethe killng or after? Did she suspect Fred was invovled etc? So many questions......so few answers right now.....

[Reader]

Since this case happened in my state, I've been following it also. The only thing I can think about less media attention, is that the family's (both) don't want it publicized so much because of the affair. They might think there wouldn't be much sympathy for Steven, or just don't want to answer questions about it, which I understand.

I'm interested in knowing more about what Kellie knew also. I think she must have known that Fred did these murders. Then she let him move in with her brother and was visiting him there all the time, according to neighbors. He even told one neighbor that he knew the police were watching him.

It seems that he actually took most of his rage out on Michelle, with all the blunt force trauma. Why would that be? Lot of questions that we probably won't get answers to until the trial.

But if I was Kellie, I would have been scared to death of him!

[IdahoMom]

I would love for this case to have it's own forum! I've been trying to follow it too-it has me intrigued. My questions:

:confused: What does Kellie look like now? Steve's wife was so fit, and really cute and, from all reports, really loved him.

:confused:Who put the moves on the other in the Steven/Kellie mess? Or did it just kind of happen?

:confused:How long an affair did they have? Is it true they broke it off, but started seeing it other again just before the murders?

:confused:When did Michelle find out about the affair?

:confused:What are Kellie's co-workers perceptions of her?

:confused: Do pictures of Outside Productions' Christmas party exist?

:confused: Did Fred confess to Kellie? Did he threaten to "go over there and kill him?"

:confused: Does Kellie feel any guilt for her part (my opinion) in this?

:confused: How did the crimes unfold? Did Fred break in? Did someone answer the door? Did he really rape Michelle in front of Steven? Was Steven in fact "dismembered"? If he WAS "dismembered" did they find "it"?

[MistyGirl]

I would love for this case to have it's own forum! I've been trying to follow it too-it has me intrigued. My questions:

:confused: What does Kellie look like now? Steve's wife was so fit, and really cute and, from all reports, really loved him.

:confused:Who put the moves on the other in the Steven/Kellie mess? Or did it just kind of happen?

:confused:How long an affair did they have? Is it true they broke it off, but started seeing it other again just before the murders?

:confused:When did Michelle find out about the affair?

:confused:What are Kellie's co-workers perceptions of her?

:confused: Do pictures of Outside Productions' Christmas party exist?

:confused: Did Fred confess to Kellie? Did he threaten to "go over there and kill him?"

:confused: Does Kellie feel any guilt for her part (my opinion) in this?

:confused: How did the crimes unfold? Did Fred break in? Did someone answer the door? Did he really rape Michelle in front of Steven? Was Steven in fact "dismembered"? If he WAS "dismembered" did they find "it"?
Great questions and they are the ones I have had too. There seems to be alot of rumors flying on the other forum and hard to read there as there is so much bashing.

They seem to be in the "know" of some things but why off on others.

I did hear that Kellie had attended the memorial service for them and that jsut blew me away....she even gave quotes to a report as she was leaving. I will see if I can find the link to that article.

[Mama-cita]

My other question, and I am only thinking like I would think, but are Michelle's parents angry that Steven's indiscretion ultimately caused their daughter's death? I know no one is perfect, but if it were my daughter, I would probably be upset and I know I would want Luke with me.

[montana_16]

I know I would be. I think most parents just couldn't help feeling that way if their innocent daughter ended up murdered and their grandson orphaned over it.

[Mama-cita]

I would feel more entitled to having Luke as Michelle's parents seeing as how Steven's infidelity is what left Luke orphaned in the first place!

[MistyGirl]

I AGREE - This must be terrible for all involved.

[Shadow205]

I would love for this case to have it's own forum! I've been trying to follow it too-it has me intrigued. My questions:

:confused: What does Kellie look like now? Steve's wife was so fit, and really cute and, from all reports, really loved him.

:confused:Who put the moves on the other in the Steven/Kellie mess? Or did it just kind of happen?

:confused:How long an affair did they have? Is it true they broke it off, but started seeing it other again just before the murders?

:confused:When did Michelle find out about the affair?

:confused:What are Kellie's co-workers perceptions of her?

:confused: Do pictures of Outside Productions' Christmas party exist?

:confused: Did Fred confess to Kellie? Did he threaten to "go over there and kill him?"

:confused: Does Kellie feel any guilt for her part (my opinion) in this?

:confused: How did the crimes unfold? Did Fred break in? Did someone answer the door? Did he really rape Michelle in front of Steven? Was Steven in fact "dismembered"? If he WAS "dismembered" did they find "it"?

Idahomom, just curious about that statement. I gave up trying to keep up with that other forum. Did that information come from there?

[IdahoMom]

Idahomom, just curious about that statement. I gave up trying to keep up with that other forum. Did that information come from there?Yes, it did. And, I don't know if it's just speculation or not...

:blushing: You do realize I mean his penis, right?:angel:

[MistyGirl]

Yes, it did. And, I don't know if it's just speculation or not...

:blushing: You do realize I mean his penis, right?:angel:

I did...lol

I read somewhere that they did not expect any further charges against him....SO does that mean maybe there was no rape of Michelle??? I will see if I can find the article & post it....be back in a few.....

[Shadow205]

:laugh: Yes, it did. And, I don't know if it's just speculation or not...

:blushing: You do realize I mean his penis, right?:angel:
LOL, I kind of thought that migh be the body part that you were referring to

[~wildangel~]

Heartwrenching story:(

[IdahoMom]

:laugh:
LOL, I kind of thought that migh be the body part that you were referring to
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_2_55.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS).....

[Niner]

http://snipurl.com/lzx7

A Lee County grand jury is expected to hear the case of the Gateway murders when it convenes Wednesday in Fort Myers.

In the meantime, sheriff's officials are releasing the 911 tape of the emergency call that started the investigation.

The call sparked national interest when the sheriff's office said it was made by 2-year-old Luke Andrews. The bodies of his parents, Steven and Michelle Andrews, were found in the Gateway home Dec. 27.
-----------------------------------
news-press.com will post audio of the tape as soon as it is available.

The grand jury, which conducts deliberations in secret, will determine what charges would be leveled against suspect Fred Cooper in the deaths of Gateway couple Steven and Michelle Andrews.

By Florida law, any potential premeditated murder case must go before a grand jury. If the jurors decide Cooper, 27, should be indicted on two counts of first-degree murder, State Attorney Steve Russell would decide whether to seek the death penalty.

The grand jury will receive all the evidence the public doesn’t know yet, such as how the couple was killed, what physical evidence has been collected and potential witnesses in the case.

anything new? I see that the grand jury convened last Wed... guess I better read further - only got to page 8... LOL! Another case I'm late getting into!

[SewingDeb]

anything new? I see that the grand jury convened last Wed... guess I better read further - only got to page 8... LOL! Another case I'm late getting into!

This link may be on here already, but just in case:

Prosecutors weighing death penalty (http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/feb/02/gateway_killings_prosecutors_weighing_death_penalt/?local_news)


From the article:

Cooper was indicted by the grand jury on two counts of first degree murder and 1 count of burglary.

[nanandjim]

Fred Cooper pleaded "Not Guilty" today at his arraignment. The trial is tentatively set for April although the judge says this is an unrealistic timeframe given the circumstances.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060206/NEWS01/60206002/1075

[IdahoMom]

Does anyone know if any recent pictures of Kellie have surfaced?

[ShowerSinger]

My sis just told me she had a friend on the grand jury. The sick SOB that did this apparently raped the woman in front of the husband and then strangled her. But, not before he cut off the man's "member" and supposedly police found it lodged in his own mouth. Oh yeah, this deserves the death penalty. Maybe this whacko will be sent to general population, one day.
Although I lack sympathy for the cheatin' hubby...nobody deserved this sadism. Especially the poor wife, and now orphaned child.
This one is just so hard to fathom.
Love and prayers for little Luke.

[nanandjim]

My sis just told me she had a friend on the grand jury. The sick SOB that did this apparently raped the woman in front of the husband and then strangled her. But, not before he cut off the man's "member" and supposedly police found it lodged in his own mouth. Oh yeah, this deserves the death penalty. Maybe this whacko will be sent to general population, one day.
Although I lack sympathy for the cheatin' hubby...nobody deserved this sadism. Especially the poor wife, and now orphaned child.
This one is just so hard to fathom.
Love and prayers for little Luke.
I have read that it was a gruesome crime scene as well as the rumors that Steve's "member" was cut off. The killer was sadistic and enraged, to say the least.

Have you heard how the killer gained entrance to the home? Some are speculating that there was a break-in through the back sliding doors while others are saying that Michelle, the wife, let him in through the front door.

[PrayersForMaura]

My sis just told me she had a friend on the grand jury. The sick SOB that did this apparently raped the woman in front of the husband and then strangled her. But, not before he cut off the man's "member" and supposedly police found it lodged in his own mouth. Oh yeah, this deserves the death penalty. Maybe this whacko will be sent to general population, one day.
Although I lack sympathy for the cheatin' hubby...nobody deserved this sadism. Especially the poor wife, and now orphaned child.
This one is just so hard to fathom.
Love and prayers for little Luke.
oh my God, that is just sickening! :(

[lostfaith]

That is awful! Why take it out on the wife! I cannot believe no one has newer pictures of Kelly yet. You would think some gossip mag. would have gotten one.

[petra]

This is just plain awful. EVIL.

Think of when their son grows up and learns about this...such agony.
I think this is one time were I would consider changing his identity and moving far, far away until he can even begin to comprehend such evil.

fellow classmates, neighbors etc. will all know about this and can cause him such pain without really meaning to.

[MistyGirl]

OMG - I had heard rumours that that is what happened but I hapoed it was not that gruesome and horrible. This poor woman the terro she must have gone through. Poor sweet Luke.

[MistyGirl]

Part of the Article:
The only voice heard on the line is the Andrews' two-year-old son Luke and a responding deputy.

What Deputy Tracie Gaydash discovered was gruesome.

For the first time we are releasing where and how the Andrews died.

Deputies found Michelle Andrews in her bedroom on the floor, face up at the foot of the bed. She was partially naked, her legs spread open, her right eye and forehead beaten.

Deputies discovered her husband Steve on the floor as well, on the right side of the bed, arms folded under him. His side of the bed was soaked in blood. He had been shot.

The motive behind the killings, according to Sheriff Mike Scott was jealousy. Scott says Steven Andrews had been having a relationship with his office manager Kellie Ballew.

For the first time, we have an updated photo of Ballew, a driver's license photo taken just a few weeks ago.

Shortly after the murders, detectives interviewed her and her boyfriend Fred Cooper. Both denied any involvement.

However a DNA sample given by Cooper would eventually connect him to the crime scene.

read it all here:
http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5796&z=3&p=

EDIT TO SAY: There also is a UPDATED photo of Kellie

[CrimeHater]

Finally we are learning more news on what went on that night. Thanks Mistygirl.

[lostfaith]

This article has a little more info. Very interesting!

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/NEWS01/60215010/1075

She told detectives Steven Andrews wanted out of his marriage and never forgave his wife, Michelle, for having an affair during their second year of marriage, getting pregnant with someone else's child and later having an abortion.

[SewingDeb]

lostfaith,

Your link is great. It has audio of lots of interviews!

[sweetpea657]

Thanks for the link, Lostfaith... I stayed up all night reading, following links and listening to the tapes. Wow! This case certainly has it all, doesn't it?

I have to say that after listening to Kelli's taped interviews, I'm not so sure that she is being totally forthcoming with everything she knows. I'm not saying I think she had anything to do with the murders, but something just didn't seem "right" about her interviews IMO. Her lack of emotion and her close attention to detail only 12 hours after learning of the murders seems off to me. Does anyone else feel the same?

The interview of Steve's mom... Wow! I realize she didn't know of any details at the time of her interview and I do feel for this woman's loss, but she's certainly a rambly one. She added a lot to this story. Alcoholism, suicide, rape, incest... all in a matter of a 30 minute interview.

link to the interview of Steve's mom
http://www.news-press.com/assets/mp3/A419343215.MP3 (http://www.news-press.com/assets/mp3/A419343215.MP3)

Here is the page that gives you the link to Steve's mother's interview, just in case the link above doesn't work. Scroll down a bit, it was posted by "Chelsea"
http://www.news-press.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10335

I still want to know who called 911, I don't think it was Lucazs. I wonder if Fred went back (?) the morning after the murders, woke Lucazs as he dialed 911. Would/could a murderer have enough compassion to do such a thing? Would the murderer chance getting caught by going back to the scene? I don't know, but after listening to the 911 tape, it doesn't sound like Lucazs is the one that called IMO.

This is certainly an interesting case and I look forward to learning more. I pray for that beautiful baby, Lucazs.

[sweetpea657]

I haven't read all of this yet, but wanted to post this acticle from today.

DNA evidence that could link Fred Cooper to the Gateway murders may have been collected from victim Michelle Andrews, according to the documents.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS01/602170305/1075

[Jean]

I haven't read all of this yet, but wanted to post this acticle from today.

DNA evidence that could link Fred Cooper to the Gateway murders may have been collected from victim Michelle Andrews, according to the documents.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS01/602170305/1075







Thanks for posting the update. It appears, at least from the article you posted, that Fred did go back the morning after the murder.

From the article:

• Witnesses in Gateway describe seeing a man fitting Cooper's description the evening of Dec. 26 and again the next morning.

• Two neighbors told investigators they saw a man in dark clothing — one said a camouflage jacket — walking in the neighborhood around 7 a.m. Dec. 27.


Edited to add--I think Fred dialed 911--(from the first article in this thread) "Steven and Michelle Andrews were found in their home shortly after 7 a.m."

[sweetpea657]

Jean, the 911 call came in shortly after 7 a.m. so it fits with the neighbors saying they saw someone in camouflage around that time.

Between WS's posts, links to different places and the news-press message boards (so hard to follow along there), I'm getting confused where I saw certain information, but I thought I read that LE wasn't convinced Luke made the 911 call, either.

Time of death was said to be between 11p.m.-6a.m., IIRC. Neighbors report seeing a strange person the night before and also the next morning in the area fitting Fred's description. Fred's gate key shows he returned to his house a little after 3 a.m. So, does that mean Fred killed them, went home and than returned to the area/house the next morning?

Also, here's a link to the transcripts of the interview with Steve and Michelle's neighbors/friends just out today.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060216/NEWS01/60216011/1002

I have a question that I hope someone here can answer. Will all the leaked info/tapes of the interviews hurt this case and affect the outcome? It seems strange that all this info is out there.

I'm sorry to be posting so much, but this case has really pulled me in for some reason.

[PrayersForMaura]

Maybe Fred did kill them at night and then felt guilty about the little kid being left all alone.

Quite honestly, the horrible things he did makes him a horrible person, but I think he really love his girlfriend and just went into a crazy jealous rage. He probably wasn't a bad person before this, which is why he didn't harm the child.
I think that may be why he went back if he did make two trips.
Guilty conscience.
Maybe I am wrong.
He had a rough life, doesn't justify what he did AT ALL! I am not saying that.
Jealousy can drive you to do some terrible things if you are not an emotionally stable person, and he does have a history of mental problems in his family from what I've read about his parents.

[Michelle Read]

[I have a question that I hope someone here can answer. Will all the leaked info/tapes of the interviews hurt this case and affect the outcome? It seems strange that all this info is out there.

[/QUOTE]
Sweetpea, I agree with you regarding the evidence in this case. I work for a law firm and know for a fact my attorney would be up in arms if this sort of thing was leaked. From the article above this statement was made "King said the sheriff’s office will continue to be “tight-lipped” about specific details in the case. " That really doesn't seem to be the case her. I was thinking a few minutes ago of how this is the first time I have ever seen detective interviews posted before or even after a trial. Seems strange, but makes for good reading/listening.

[cathieq]

I was quite taken aback listening to Steven's mother as she discussed Michelle...I kept tally marks on the times anybody else could get a word in edgewise...incest, abortion...and on and on. I'm sorry...I know she's grieving..she just got on one of my nerves....

[lostfaith]

Documents obtained by The News-Press reveal many of the concerns the parents had about their children's marriage. They talked about those concerns in interviews with investigators after the murders:

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/NEWS01/602170414/1075


There is alot of info on this web page, I never noticed before. I guess I will be up late reading!

[sweetpea657]

Thanks for the link, lostfaith. I read the article, but I need to go back and look at the sworn statements.

Isn't it strange how Steven told his father and Michelle told Steven's mother seperately on the 26th about the rape? Although it has nothing to do with the murder and I'm in no way trying to disrespect Michelle, I can't help but wonder if Michelle changed her story from affair to rape as a way of holding on to Steven. She knew she was losing him and knew that he had problems dealing with the affair/abortion, so she changed the story. I could be wrong (I usually am!). Such a sad and yet strange case.

Thanks for answering my question Michelle Read! It will be interesting to see how this leaked info will affect the case and you're right, it does make for interesting reading!

[lostfaith]

[QUOTE=sweetpea657]

Isn't it strange how Steven told his father and Michelle told Steven's mother seperately on the 26th about the rape? Although it has nothing to do with the murder and I'm in no way trying to disrespect Michelle, I can't help but wonder if Michelle changed her story from affair to rape as a way of holding on to Steven. She knew she was losing him and knew that he had problems dealing with the affair/abortion, so she changed the story. I could be wrong (I usually am!). Such a sad and yet strange case.

QUOTE]


I agree Sweetpea. I am getting the impression she changed her story, maybe to hold on to Steve, hoping that he would instead feel sorry for her, instead of being mad that she had an affair. I dont think it had anything to do with the murder though. I think that Fred knew something was up with him and Kelly, even though Kelly did not think he did.

[lostfaith]

Who called 911 the morning Steven and Michelle Andrews were found slain in the bedroom of their Gateway home?

Despite two days of revelations based on investigative records obtained by The News-Press, how the couple's toddler ended up on the phone to authorities is one of the central questions left unanswered.

More answers could come late next week when State Attorney spokeswoman Chere Avery said the government's case should be ready for the media to review.


http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060218/NEWS01/602180518/1075


sound like more will come out later next week.. Will be interesting.

[cheko1]

I've been keeping up with this case since it hit the news in Mn. I simply can't believe all the information thats been released. Seems to me it would taint a jury pool.

Its so sad.....little Luke will grow up never knowing his folks. Hopefully he is to young to ever remember the tragedy & what he may of seen. He was the innocent victim!!!

[cathieq]

I wanted to throw a few things out here (opinion only):

FC should be tried for "3" murders...the parents and child. Once past the stage of innocent-unawareness, the child's life as it would have been...has been destroyed. It will be impossible to keep the circumstances of his parents' deaths from him. With the internet and the interest and coverage shown, everything will be available to him at the click of a mouse. What impression will he get about his mom & dad? Rape, incest, abortion, extramarital affairs..So, FC has "murdered" another....

Also, if Michelle was supposedly unstable (as KB said, per Steven)...why in the world would he tell his unstable, emotional, don't-know-what-she'll-do-wife that he might have a chance with another woman?

KB is very unworldly, even though you would have thought her relationship with FC would have schooled her...she fell for the oldest lines in a married man's book...and let him (excuse my bluntness) into her pants....

If FC gets the death penalty, we're looking at years and years of appeals...why not make his time left on earth useful? He should pay restitution (?), say...sell his blood to the bloodbank, give the proceeds to his victim's offspring...drain, say, all but 1 pint of blood (leave him enough to breathe until they build his system back up)...then do this over and over and over until...

I can' believe I could think such vindictive thoughts...I need prayers...

[nanandjim]

I was quite taken aback listening to Steven's mother as she discussed Michelle...I kept tally marks on the times anybody else could get a word in edgewise...incest, abortion...and on and on. I'm sorry...I know she's grieving..she just got on one of my nerves....
I thought Steve's mother sounded unstable. I also got the impression that she didn't like Michelle very much. I remember being totally stunned after listening to her tape, thinking that she was a nut. :eek:

She said that she did all sorts of things for Michelle and Steve and Michelle didn't show any appreciation whatsoever. No one forced her to paint, clean and cook. If she didn't want to do those things or if she wasn't getting the thanks or appreciation that she felt that she deserved, she should not have done the things.

Also, what was the deal about her exploding several times and lunging towards Michelle? That doesn't sound like a normal person to me...

[nanandjim]

Does anyone know if any recent pictures of Kellie have surfaced?
Here is a "fuzzy" photo taken from Kellie's driver's license. It is not a current photo and has been used on her past three licenses. So, I don't know how long ago it was taken.
http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060218/NEWS01/602180518/1002

[sweetpea657]

Investigators say Fred's fingerprints, DNA, witnesses, surveillance photos and a bloody jacket will prove he's the killer.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060219/COLUMNISTS02/602190427/1002/NEWS01

[shannaleigh]

I never post because I only read this site while I'm at work. This case has got a hold on me almost as bad as Laci. I sure wished we could get more attention for this. This is so unbelievable.

[sweetpea657]

This case has a hold on me too, Shannaleigh, and I'm not sure why. I lurked every day on the Laci threads, but never posted. For whatever reason, this case caused me to come out of lurkdom. There hasn't been a lot of posting about this case here lately, so I have been lurking at news-press.net to read all I can. Although, reading over there and trying to sift through all the crap posts can be difficult!

Anyway, for anyone still as interested in this case, I just wanted to drop this off. There is a ton of new information here. Pictures of Fred's injured hands, emails between Steve and Kellie, gas station surveillance video of Fred on his bike and investigation reports.

http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readarticle.asp?articleid=5985&z=3&p=

Poor Michelle, I feel so bad that this girl had nothing to do with any of this and ends up murdered. My heart aches for Lukasz, that poor baby. His mommy and daddy taken away from him because of some idiot seeking revenge. It's all just so sad...

[cathieq]

The phone book opened to a marriage counselor, the baby's room, the bowl of uneatened popcorn.....the blood on the walls, carpet and bed...the signs that Michelle fought hard to survive....the sounds of a man totally out of control, the sounds of death....and the baby will have these embedded in his consciousness. Not all the therapy in the world is going to enable this child to have a normal life...

I blame Kelly as much as Steven...almost as much as the perpetrator.

[Mama-cita]

The more I read about this case, the more I want to barf. Looking at those e-mails between Steve and Kellie I just feel so bad for Michelle:( . While she was trying to work things out with her husband, he was skirting around with his secretary and they were plotting their lives together. I was sickened by Kellie making a life for her, Steve, her daughter and Lukasz. What was to happen to Lukasz mother? Ugh. Why do people cheat. This case has me hooked. Can't we ask a moderator if they can make a forum? I hate checking the New-Press forum. Probably a lot of the decent people would love to have some place like this to check. Also does anyone know details about how Michelle's body was posed, post-mortem?

[Jean]

sweetpea, Thanks for posting the article that had the e-mails, etc.

I am hooked on this case too! I feel so sorry for Michelle--reading those e-mails was almost painful. It sounded like they were definitely making plans to be together.

Is there an article that mentions Kellie attending the funeral? I am interested in how she handled herself.

I too think it would be nice to have a forum on this case. Maybe one of the mods will surprise us with one! I think more people would post about this case if we had a forum.

[SewingDeb]

The more I read about this case, the more I want to barf. Looking at those e-mails between Steve and Kellie I just feel so bad for Michelle:( . While she was trying to work things out with her husband, he was skirting around with his secretary and they were plotting their lives together. I was sickened by Kellie making a life for her, Steve, her daughter and Lukasz. What was to happen to Lukasz mother? Ugh. Why do people cheat. This case has me hooked. Can't we ask a moderator if they can make a forum? I hate checking the New-Press forum. Probably a lot of the decent people would love to have some place like this to check. Also does anyone know details about how Michelle's body was posed, post-mortem?

That mention of Carlie and Lukasz made me sick. It sounded like they planned to take Lukasz away from his mother. I thought it was curious that they planned to marry, but never said I love you in the emails.

You asked about how Michelle's body was posed. On one page of the Investigative Reports it said her arms were straight out to her sides and her legs spread to what appeared to be maximum possible width. She had on a night shirt, but was nude from the waist down.

She was on the floor at the foot of the bed.

http://www.nbc-2.com/News/documents/060223_andrews_evidence1.pdf

[sweetpea657]

Cathieq, I agree with you. Lukasz will have to grow up without his mommy and daddy, which is traumatic enough in itself, but than one day when he is older (hopefully), he will learn they were murdered and the reason for that murder was the revenge of one evil idiot and an affair. I can't even imagine. I pray he is surrounded by love and gets the therapy he needs.

Mama-cita, I agree with you too. Reading those emails and seeing Steve tell Kellie how Michelle was trying to act "perfect", wanting to work things out, rekindle the flame, made me want to barf too. Poor Michelle.

Did you see the email where Kellie told Steve she hoped Lukasz liked the Christmas present she gave him better than the one Lukasz received from his great (?) grandmother? What exactly was Michelle supposed to think when Steve handed Lukasz a Christmas present from Kellie?? Michelle already had issues (understandably so, IMO) of the $25 grab bag gift of $100 and lots of smaller gifts that Kellie gave Steve. What did Kellie think Michelle would have thought about a gift from her to Lukasz?

I hoped I don't get flamed for saying this, but I think Kellie was an instigater. She wanted Michelle and Fred to know about her and Steve, IMO. I'm not defending Fred's actions by any means, he will get his... but I hope Kellie TRULY realizes her part in all this and thinks about Lukasz and the families every day of her life.

As far as Michelle's body, here is what the criminal investigation report says:

Directly visible inside the master bedroom was victim Michelle Andrews. Michelle Andrews was lying supine on the floor at the foot of the bed with her arms straight out from her sides and her legs spread to what appeared to be the maximum possible width.

More about it here on page 19 of the investigation report:
http://www.nbc-2.com/News/documents/060223_andrews_evidence1.pdf

[sweetpea657]

OOPS! Sorry for posting the same info SewingDeb! I guess I took too long mulling over the post I was typing, because the last post I read was from Mama-cita. I'm too slow!

Jean, I haven't seen any articles saying Kellie went to the funeral. I read on the press-news site awhile ago that she did, but that could have just been rumor. It's hard to know what is real/true facts on that site! I hope the mods give this case a forum too!

[IdahoMom]

This case does deserve it's own forum!

I am just sick after reading the emails. Steve was almost mocking Michelle, imo. The remarks about her trying to be perfect, seeing Michelle's love note to Steve, etc...I just feel sick to my stomach.

I too feel that Kellie has blood on her hands. She had alot of nerve talking abut Lukasz like she knew him, like she and Steve and the 2 kids would live happily ever after. What about Michelle? I think the talk about Lukasz was manipulative as hell. And I can't get over the nerve of her, buying Lukasz a Christmas gift! And the nerve to call the house and tell Michelle she needed Steve to come help her with something! I'm sorry to rant, but I am stunned at the nerve of that woman!

Interesting that Steve and Kellie's coworkers let them know they weren't comfortable with the affair.

This wasn't a love affair as far as I'm concerned. It was a cheap, disgusting little whorish fling. If Steve had taken his wife for walks on the beach at night, bought her coffee, sent her emails, maybe the flame Michelle was trying to ignite could have taken off.

It's pretty sad the things that were said in those emails about the extended family members. Steve left quite a legacy. I hope this story serves as a warning to others that are contemplating the same path that if you play with fire you might get burned. Steve and Kellie's whorish fling ruined many lives.

I hope Kellie is haunted all the days of her life for her part in this.:furious:

[shannaleigh]

Thank you all so much for responding. I'm so happy to know that I'm not the only one wanting to follow this case. I really hope it will get it's own forum but I have no clue how to go about setting that up. You all are pros at this, please try and thanks again.