Victim #2??

[guera]

I heard through the grapevine that Raven has a girlfriend! Does anybody know anything more about this?

[L L & S]

I heard the same thing, but probably through a different grapevine. What did you hear.... I heard he's been dating someone regularly but don't know who.

[Jenifred]

We've got to get Raven named as a POI so we can flood the Utah media. I can see the headline now "Local Man Named POI in Wife's NC Death." Then they can follow it up with stories on how he embezzled money and his little car fire too.

Maybe that will give the girlie a little pause when he calls.

[guera]

I heard the same thing, but probably through a different grapevine. What did you hear.... I heard he's been dating someone regularly but don't know who.
I heard that exact same thing - dating somebody but unsure who. I hope for her sake that she googles the guys she dates.

[L L & S]

We've got to get Raven named as a POI so we can flood the Utah media. I can see the headline now "Local Man Named POI in Wife's NC Death." Then they can follow it up with stories on how he embezzled money and his little car fire too.

Maybe that will give the girlie a little pause when he calls. Glad you brought up the car fire. Did anyone ever find out what the story behind that was? That whole thing seemed very "hinky" to me. Something about the car burning to the ground in the middle of the night. Can't remember when I read that... gonna go see if I can find it.

[LTUlegal]

Glad you brought up the car fire. Did anyone ever find out what the story behind that was? That whole thing seemed very "hinky" to me. Something about the car burning to the ground in the middle of the night. Can't remember when I read that... gonna go see if I can find it.Congrats, LL&S!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100 POSTS! DOIN' THE HAPPY DANCE FOR YA! lol :woohoo:

ETA: Does this mean I'm a post whore because I have over 180? ;)

[L L & S]

~ yes ~

[lauriej]

06-18-2005, 01:10 PM
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I heard a couple of times now that there was a 2000 Honda SE mini-coop that can be added to the big boy toys list, but that it mysteriously burned to the ground at 4:00 a.m. in Smithfield VA when Raven was living there and Janet was going to school.

Another one of those things that make you go hmmmmmm . . . . . .


..on the "big boy toys" thread............see: pages 2 and 3 for car fire discussion.........

[lauriej]

so..a new victim..............umm, i mean girlfriend, for the 'semi-employed balding one'...

..it makes me ill to think that he's out wining & dining while mommy dearest is babysitting kaiden.......

..(fingers crossed that his new date has the power of google at her fingertips......)

..HINT:raven's g/f.............read the ENTIRE forum/internet searches.............make up your OWN mind......

[terminatrixator]

Of course the Raven is dating again, but I doubt this will be the girl he marries. He needs enough time in between the murder of Janet and he needs time for people to forget. We will NEVER forget. It will follow him whereever he goes. We don't take vacations and won't let him alone!

Raven is collecting Social Security FOR THE CARE OF KAIDEN. It probably isn't enough for his lifestyle, and neither is his part-time bike shop job. I mean, he's obviously using it for his bike trips, his little vacations and for dating purposes, instead of really using it for the Care of Kaiden. Mommydearest is raising him and probably paying for everything, maxing out her credit cards, as we all know she likes people to think she's "rollin' in the dough".

If Raven married his new wife would expect a full-time employed MAN, and Raven will screw that up, getting fired, or somehow making a mess. Any full-time job he gets won't be enough $$$ because he is a convicted felon.

Since Raven and his mommy know how to work the system, he's probably receiving more than social security which would have been based on the income Janet made prior to her murder. It won't be that much money, so they probably set it up that Raven is "paying rent" to MommyDearest and he is probablly receiving other government aid and benefits. The money should go for the Care of Kaiden Abaroa, but we all know Raven is spending the money on himself. If Raven marries, and gets a full-time job, he will lose that other aid.

Raven got away with embezzlement ONCE and he got a slap on the hand for the second embezzlement, doubt he even paid that back yet. He will try his luck again. He will probably try to get a full-time job, marry, the stress of having to be a grown-up will be too much for the Rave, his toy purchases will go down, and he will start back with his regular M.O. First he'll start cheating on the new wife, then he will take out an insurance policy on her, hopefully she won't get pregnant, then he'll probably try to get away with Murder again, thinking he got away with it the first time.

Raven is a schemer. He has always been a scam artist, will always be a scam artist, he's an embezzler, he will do that again too, he's a murderer, and I do NOT put it past him to murder again.

As long as his mommy is protecting him and I do believe she knew about the embezzlement schemes and she probably knows for a fact that her golden child murdered Janet, she will continue protecting him. She raised a sociopath and will protect this sociopath as she obviously has some major personality disturbance herself!

Raven will be brought to Justice though, mark my words, he will pay the ultimate price for taking Janet Marie Christiansen's life and her precious unborn baby, hopefully before he STRIKES again!

[L L & S]

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I heard a couple of times now that there was a 2000 Honda SE mini-coop that can be added to the big boy toys list, but that it mysteriously burned to the ground at 4:00 a.m. in Smithfield VA when Raven was living there and Janet was going to school.

Another one of those things that make you go hmmmmmm . . . . . .


..on the "big boy toys" thread............see: pages 2 and 3 for car fire discussion.........
Thanks Lauri!! Nothing strange about that.... I mean cars burn to the ground at 4 am around here all the time. :doh:

Guera, does your grapevine know anything about his one? Mine doesn't. As a matter of fact, my grapevine doesn't know crap about crap these days.... I think I need a new grapevine.

[guera]

:laugh:
Guera, does your grapevine know anything about his one? Mine doesn't. As a matter of fact, my grapevine doesn't know crap about crap these days.... I think I need a new grapevine.
Nope... in fact I was shocked to hear about that one... although I did hear that Raven is collecting survivor's benefits from Social Security for Kaiden as well as "Widowers" benefits from SS for himself. It's really great to hear that taxpayers are fronting at least part of the bill for Raven's new lifestyle. :sick:

[ewwwinteresting]

I heard through the grapevine that Raven has a girlfriend! Does anybody know anything more about this?
Oh this is just so sad! I'm sure raven will "explain" to this girl that she has no need to fear. LE has stated the public has no need to fear and how can they say that if they think raven did it and still haven't arrested him or named him as a POI? If this girl is young and naive, I can see her accepting this explanation. Victim #2 may, unfortunately, be the appropriate name for this thread :eek:

[ewwwinteresting]

Guera, does your grapevine know anything about his one? Mine doesn't. As a matter of fact, my grapevine doesn't know crap about crap these days.... I think I need a new grapevine.
Well at least you guys have a grapevine...even if it is crap:)

[terminatrixator]

I heard it through the grapevine not much longer will The Raven be a free man...I heard it through the grapevine.....

Well, so I didn't hear it from the grapevine, I am just VERY hopeful that beautiful Lady Justice will raise the scales of Justice soon.

You all probably realize by now how much I love to break into song, and I can't wait to see The Raven dance his balding head in front of Jurors of his Peers then you will all hear me singing loud and clear
Na na na na, Na na na na, hey hey Goodbye!:behindbar

Congrats on the 100th post LL&S.

Well speaking of CRAP, wonder if The Raven has any new mini vacation/trips planned?

[lauriej]

[QUOTE=terminatrixator]I heard it through the grapevine not much longer will The Raven be a free man...I heard it through the grapevine.....

QUOTE]

.........how i wish that your post had ended there................and that it were true, i can honestly say that my heart skipped a beat as i read that opening line...........

..but even though he hasn't been arrested yet----------------he's so NOT "free"--my hope is that he wakes up in a cold sweat throughout each and every night reliving what he's done------------that he remembers every day how she fought and clawed at him to live---fought for her baby's life............

..raven -------------do you recall her screams ?!?!? of course you do----------i hope that each and every time you blink that it's replayed in your mind-------she wins in the end you know-------------even once you're in prison, she's still an angel in heaven, at peace----------your torment, yep, it lasts forever.

[terminatrixator]

[QUOTE=terminatrixator]I heard it through the grapevine not much longer will The Raven be a free man...I heard it through the grapevine.....

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.........how i wish that your post had ended there................and that it were true, i can honestly say that my heart skipped a beat as i read that opening line...........

..but even though he hasn't been arrested yet----------------he's so NOT "free"--my hope is that he wakes up in a cold sweat throughout each and every night reliving what he's done------------that he remembers every day how she fought and clawed at him to live---fought for her baby's life............

..raven -------------do you recall her screams ?!?!? of course you do----------i hope that each and every time you blink that it's replayed in your mind-------she wins in the end you know-------------even once you're in prison, she's still an angel in heaven, at peace----------your torment, yep, it lasts forever.
Me too Lauriej, me too!

[L L & S]

Well at least you guys have a grapevine...even if it is crap:)
I would just like very much to know that the new gal is aware of Raven's past. That's all I'm saying. :cool:

And yes, crap, doo doo, solid waste material... there isn't anything new coming out anywhere. I'll keep checking in and praying that the person that knows something will eventually google The Rav or Janet's name and find their way here. I know that person is out there. Maybe they saw him ditch the knife.... he could have said something to someone and they just haven't put two and two together. That person is out there. They will eventually come forward, if not here then straight to the police, that would be ideal.

[JerseyGirl]

I'm so disgusted. What do most of us experience during the first major holiday season after the loss of a loved one? Didn't Janet's death cause Raven to seek grief counseling? Didn't it also result in him becoming more spiritual? If Janet's death was that devastating to him, how is it that he found it within himself to be dating by the very first Christmas and New Year without Janet?

You know, if Janet's death was so difficult on you, Raven, that you needed to reach out for support, then the very least you could have done was to honor her memory by spending as much time with Kaiden as possible. That's the one part of her that was left behind ... that beautiful baby boy. If you were so traumatized by the loss of Janet, why haven't you eaten up every single second you can with her son? Halloween? Christmas? New Year? Did you spend each of those days with the last shred of Janet that you have? Where was your new girlfriend on all of those days?

I wonder ... is this girlfriend someone new or someone Raven knew from the past? Could it be someone that Raven was looking for way back when he still lived in NC and when Janet started disappearing from his websites, (possibly around the same time when Raven started to pop up on sites like Classmates.com)? Could her name start with a "J"? Perhaps an "L"? Whoever she is, I hope she's not naive enough to think "No way, not Raven. He'd never do something like this." Protect yourself, love. Please don't fall into his charming, sociopathic trap. People like that prey on the innocent and the naive.

[JerseyGirl]

:laugh:

Nope... in fact I was shocked to hear about that one... although I did hear that Raven is collecting survivor's benefits from Social Security for Kaiden as well as "Widowers" benefits from SS for himself. It's really great to hear that taxpayers are fronting at least part of the bill for Raven's new lifestyle. :sick:He sure does seem to know how to get everything that's "owed" to him, doesn't he? Do you think he spends that money to take care of Kaiden? To buy him a Halloween costume and film for lots of pictures? Since he has such a lucrative bike shop job, I'm sure that this Social Security money is all dedicated solely to Kaiden and his upbringing ... not to taking home-wrecking women on dates and getting his own bachelor pad.

Hey Raven, in real-life grown-up world ... Full-time job, THEN own apartment. Good thing you've got that SS money coming in - imagine trying to pay to live on your own without it. But I'm sure you already did. It was all part of the plan, I bet.

[lauriej]

[QUOTE=JerseyGirl]I'm so disgusted. What do most of us experience during the first major holiday season after the loss of a loved one? Didn't Janet's death cause Raven to seek grief counseling? Didn't it also result in him becoming more spiritual? If Janet's death was that devastating to him, how is it that he found it within himself to be dating by the very first Christmas and New Year without Janet?

QUOTE]

...excellent post jersey..........

..i'd forgotten about the 'stages of grief', ie: especially during the cycle of the 1st year, the 1st anniversary, 1st mother's day, 1st birthday, 1st 4th of july-----etc etc-----------the 1st's of everything that 1st year !

..i would think the 1st thanksgiving/christmas/new year's would be right up there on that list.....

..the entire 1st year following the death of a loved one is traumatic, and it is especially important to include a child ( children ) in the process.........

..i can't recall a single (posted ) instance in which raven went out of his way to tend to kaiden in the last 9 months.............although i can recall fun times/trips that raven took on his own..........

..to hear that he's been "dating" again------------over the holidays-----?!
..most "normal" people would be far too grief stricken/heart broken to even THINK of celebrating the holidays this 1st year..........factor in that his wife was brutally murdered , LE has not yet named a suspect ,let alone solved the crime------if i were raven, ( presumably innocent ) i'd be back in NC demanding answers, demanding action..........surely an innocent man would WANT to know who it was that killed his wife and unborn child ??

..nope..................not raven............he's apparently "over it " , moving on, wining and dining the new girlfriend.............

[JerseyGirl]

he's apparently "over it " , moving on, wining and dining the new girlfriend.............And apparently paying for it with the money from the Social Security credits that JANET earned! Taking your girlfriend out to dinner with your murdered wife's SS benefits? Disgusting.

Did you buy the new chick some Christmas presents? Does she know that they were purchased with money that exists solely because Janet is dead? Does she, like you, enjoy biking and dining with blood money?

Who shopped for Kaiden for Christmas? Has Kaiden met this woman? Did SHE buy Christmas gifts for Kaiden?

This is just truly appalling. I have no more words right now. :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

[LTUlegal]

I'm as disgusted as you, JG. This guy just makes me ill. Whomever is dating him needs to be warned, strongly, about him.

[ewwwinteresting]

Yes, but by who?? raven isn't going to do it. raven's family isn't going to do it. LE isn't going to do it. The only hope for this poor girl is if someone is able to tell her to goggle his name and then she can decide for herself after reading it all. I'm thinking she is probably young and naive though and is going to buy into raven's ideas and excuses hook, line and sinker!

[terminatrixator]

Well, if the girl does google him, and lands here, I have no problem mailing my book "For Laci" by Sharon Rocha to her. I would be happy to send her my copy or place an order and pay for the copy of "For Laci" online through a local book store and have her pick it up herself in Utah (I live in San Diego so there would be no "chance meetings") and have it done anonymously, if sending me her address is somethng she would rather not do.

If this girl reads it, maybe she can open her eyes enough to see what a sociopathic mind is like and trust her instincts with what may feel off to her. There are subtle suggestions and indications she could see and she would just have to look for them and be open to the fact that he could very well be a murderer.

It was a very indepth look at how easily a sociopath can make others feel that they are safe, and to witness, by the book, all the little subtle signs that something was amiss, and how smooth a sociopath can be.

It also goes into great detail of the depth of the emotional grief a family must endure. It was obvious the family of Laci did not want to believe that Scott Peterson was involved. It was also painfully obvious that this family did Love Scott Peterson and the inconsistent statements, and the lack of emotion along with strained and forced emotions in public situations is so off and so very Raven.

Also it's a great glimpse into the way the family of Scott Peterson handled themselves, the lies, the denies, because they themselves have disorders that make them not see things in the real world. It's easier to believe in Satantic Cults, brown vans, and their trying to put the blame squarely on the family of the victim for the position their child is in, without even acknowledging or seeing that - LACI AND CONNER were dead and were never coming back, yet their main concern was for their son, and getting him off the hook for murder that was painfully obvious to all he committed.

It is so eerily similar to The Ravens handling of Janet's Murder, the difference is Janet was never missing, but in Raven's mind, Janet was gone before she was murdered, he already started representing himself as single, as proof by his My Space Account, his classmates and Reunion. I would not put it past Raven to have phony diploma's, just like Scott.

This girl could also see the lies perpetuated by his Monster Online Resume. There are further indications of something off in his denial to take a polygraph test, his refusal to work with LE to solve his wife's murder, and you can clearly see the similarities between Scott Lee Peterson aka HornyBastard, aka Pudgeboy, aka Jacqueline (like a girl name Sue) (aka Prisoner V72000) and Raven Peters, Raven Abaroa, Raven Samuel Abaroa Peters, Ina’maqki’u wi’dishi’anun, Pocketpcguy, NC_VX, FuTBaLrGuY.

[LTUlegal]

Whew! Trixie, do you feel better now? :clap: Post well done, my dear!

[Justgimmethetruth]

Nice job, Trix.

Hopefully, the new girl will see thru the smokescreen and move on ... or rather, RUN!!

:behindbar -- Here's a new apartment for you, Raven. Your own personal space.

[lauriej]

excellent post trix..........

..and don't forget raven's additional "alter-ego", (i believe we have pics of it here somewhere,) 'the rave' himself in his "P.Ness" jersey..

..(if anyone, new girlfriend, new friends, DO come across WS............i would hope you'd pm someone like term.......or ewws....or jersey........or LTU..or SES....etc etc...........one of the super regulars................they do have a ton of REAL info to share with you..........)

[terminatrixator]

:mad:Major Woooooooooops, How could I forget little P.Ness :slap: feel free to slap me over that one!