$5,000 Reward Offered In Unsolved Case Of Slain Durham Mother

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$5,000 Reward Offered In Unsolved Case Of Slain Durham Mother
http://www.wral.com/news/6404283/detail.html

POSTED: 2:38 pm EST January 24, 2006
UPDATED: 4:11 pm EST January 24, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. -- Nearly nine months after a Durham mother was found stabbed to death in her home, Durham police announced a reward Tuesday for information about the case.The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation (http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/) is offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the April 26 slaying of 25-year-old Janet Abaroa.

On The Web: Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation (http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/)

Abaroa's husband, Raven Abaroa, found his wife dead inside their home at 2606 Ferrand Drive around 11 p.m. on Tuesday, April 26. Their 6-month-old son, Kaiden, who was also in the home, was uninjured.In the hours before her death, Janet Abaroa, who was in the early stages of pregnancy, picked up her son at day care and went with her husband to drop off her car for repairs, police said in a news release issued Tuesday.The Abaroas then met with a church member at their home that evening before Raven Abaroa left the house around 8:30 p.m. in a gray Dodge Durango to play in an indoor soccer game in Morrisville.Police said that when Abaroa returned home that evening, he found his wife upstairs.Investigators spent nearly 24 hours collecting evidence from the home, including knives, a cell phone and financial items, including a checkbook and loan papers. Police searched the Dodge Durango, where they found a knife and a pawn shop ticket. Authorities also collected soil samples from the SUV and took swabbings from various locations in the house. They also took the clothes Raven Abaroa had been wearing.In August, Durham investigators searched through the couple's e-mail accounts in hopes of finding information that would lead them to an arrest.Although no charges have been filed and no suspects have been named in the case, investigators said they do not believe the homicide was random. Police said there were no obvious signs of a break-in, even though a laptop computer was reported missing from the house.The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation, which posts rewards for families of victims who lack the financial means to do so themselves, will offer the $5,000 reward for six months. It is in addition to a reward being offered by CrimeStoppers for an arrest in the case.Anyone with information is asked to call the Durham Police Department at (919) 560-4440, ext. 247 or CrimeStoppers at (919) 683-1200.

[JerseyGirl]

OMG, finally something new!!!! Here's hoping that this will lead to a break in the case! Now let me go dissect the article!

[terminatrixator]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3841900


Reward for Information in Mother's Murder



http://a.abclocal.go.com/graphics/v3/global/stockgraphics/icons/wtvd_byline.gif Eyewitness News

(01/24/06 -- DURHAM) - Durham police hope a new reward will lead to clues in the murder of a young mother.

Janet Abaroa, 25, was found stabbed to death inside her Ferrand Drive home last April. No charges have been filed in the case, but police investigators do not believe the crime was random. A foundation that helps families who are not able to generate reward money on their own is now offering a $5,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and conviction in the case.

Abaroa is survived by her husband, Raven, and their young son. The woman was pregnant with their second child at the time of her death.

[JerseyGirl]

$5,000 Reward Offered In Unsolved Case Of Slain Durham Mother
http://www.wral.com/news/6404283/detail.html

... In the hours before her death, Janet Abaroa, who was in the early stages of pregnancy, picked up her son at day care and went with her husband to drop off her car for repairs, police said in a news release issued Tuesday.The Abaroas then met with a church member at their home that evening before Raven Abaroa left the house around 8:30 p.m. in a gray Dodge Durango to play in an indoor soccer game in Morrisville....Well, it sounds to me like LE knows exactly who they're looking at. JMO.

About the underlined parts:

1) Why would they pick Kaiden up prior to dropping the car off? Is it that Janet was so anxious to see him after work? Is it that the sitter couldn't watch him beyond a certain time? Or is it that Kaiden would be a good distraction so that Janet wouldn't notice if Raven's behavior was out of the ordinary?

2) I believe we've been working off of the impression that there were TWO hometeachers there that night but the article clearly states "a".

3) Raven left at 8:30 but we last know of her being alive around 7:00 per the ME report. Also, I seem to remember talk of the game starting at 8:00. :waitasec:

4) There's a very conspicious description of the car that Raven was driving and the location to which he was driving. Is this just thorough reporting or is this request trying to jog people's memories about that particular vehicle?

Does anyone have an actual press release?

[LTUlegal]

OMG...I'm so happy about this! I sure hope this DOES help jog some memories for people!

Maybe someone will come forward with whatever knowledge they have that will cause an arrest and conviction!

[JerseyGirl]

To whomever did this to Janet -

although it's been 9 months, clearly the investigation is on-going. Whether a year passes, or 5, or 20, there will be someone working on this case. Eventually, all of the pieces will fall into place. So please don't ever think that this is a closed case; that you got away with it; or that people have forgotten Janet. Someday you will be held accountable.

Hats off to LE for all of the hard work you continue to do on this (and every) case. Thank you for doing what you do and confronting on a daily basis what most of us don't even have the strength to imagine.

[LvsAMystry]

I haven't posted in these thread for some time, though I've been checking in to see what's been new. I'm very happy that this step has been taken and to see that this isn't being let go.

[snapple]

Hallelujah!! :dance: This media attention is good news. Hopefully it will jog someone's memory. Your right JG it does seem LE was quite specific in details, I believe they do have someone in mind.

I'm still holding out for a family member to turn on raven for the $ reward. Now that it's bumped up 5,000 grand maybe they will be more inclined to do so.

[ewwwinteresting]

This is so good. Finally after 9 months they are asking for help!

What I am thinking is that Janet picked up her son at day care and then went home to get raven and then dropped off her car for repairs?? Here are my questions: Why was Kaiden in daycare? Where was raven all day while Janet was working?

[Jenifred]

What I am thinking is that Janet picked up her son at day care and then went home to get raven and then dropped off her car for repairs?? Here are my questions: Why was Kaiden in daycare? Where was raven all day while Janet was working?
Probably doing the same things that he's been doing lately--nothing and doing it without Kaiden.

[juliagoulia]

Such great news!

[terminatrixator]

(skhanna@newsobserver.com) $5,000 reward offered in slaying

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/392400.html

Samiha Khanna, Staff Writer

For nine months, family and friends have been waiting desperately for an arrest in the killing of Janet Abaroa, a young mother stabbed in her home.

On Tuesday, Durham police released more details about her last day alive and announced a $5,000 reward in the unsolved case.

In his first interview about the killing, the victim's husband said Tuesday that he hoped a reward, if not someone's conscience, would bring clues forward.

"Someone knows something," Raven Abaroa said in a telephone interview. "I don't know what it's going to take."

Janet Abaroa, 25, was found dead by her husband the night of April 26 inside her home at 2606 Ferrand Drive. Her 6-month-old son, Kaiden, was in the next room, uninjured, police said. At the time, police said there were no signs of forced entry and the crime was "not random," but they have not named any suspects.

On Tuesday, police said a laptop computer was missing from the home. They also said that on her last day, Abaroa went to pick up her son from day care, then she and her husband dropped off her car for repairs, according to a Durham police news release.

That evening, the couple hosted a friend from church at their home. About 8:30 p.m., Raven Abaroa went to Morrisville for a soccer game, the release said. About 11 p.m., he returned and found his wife dead, kneeling on the floor of a bedroom, according a medical examiner's report.

An autopsy report later showed that Abaroa was in the early stages of pregnancy when she was killed.

Little information has been released by authorities, but the case is still active, said Dena Kendall, 38, the victim's older sister.

"Our family has been in constant contact with the police," Kendall said Tuesday. Waiting for developments from police is frustrating, she said, "but we have to let them do their job."

Meanwhile, Raven Abaroa, 26, has moved to Utah with Kaiden. He left Durham shortly after his wife's death, he said, because there was no reason to stay.

"The only thing I had there was my family, and my family was taken from me," he said.

Months went by and Kaiden, now 1, took his first steps. He learned to kick a soccer ball, something that would have made his soccer-star mom proud, Raven Abaroa said.

"He knows who his mom is," he said. "He sees pictures of her and says, 'Ma,' " he added, sobbing.

Raven and Janet Abaroa were private people, and now strangers speculate on the details of their lives and the killing on Web sites, he said. He recognizes that even strangers want to see justice for his wife, but he also worries that people personify Janet as weak, as being helplessly victimized. They should remember her as the strong woman she was, he said.

"She [was] the epitome of what a woman should be," he said.

For the next six months, the Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation, based in Modesto, Calif., will pay $5,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the killing.

Carole Carrington, 72, started the foundation in 1999, when her own daughter, granddaughter and family friend were murdered on a trip to Yosemite National Park.

It was publicity of the reward that broke open that case and put a serial killer behind bars, Carrington said. Now, it is how she helps other families.

"When you've got a tragedy in your life, helping other people helps you, too," Carrington said in a telephone interview.

Since 1999, the nonprofit foundation has offered more than $2.5 million in 364 cases, including the killing of congressional intern Chandra Levy.

Durham CrimeStoppers also is offering up to $1,200 for information. Anyone with information is asked to call Investigator S.W. Vaughan at 560-4440, ext. 247, or CrimeStoppers at 683-1200.

Staff writer Samiha Khanna can be reached at 956-2468 or skhanna@newsobserver.com. (skhanna@newsobserver.com)

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"He knows who his mom is," he said. "He sees pictures of her and says, 'Ma,' " he added, sobbing.

Cry me a River Raven. Oh the Shades of Sociopathacy, shining brightly through the sobs. Are we sure this guy isn't friends with Scott Peterson? Did he take lessons from Scottie on how to be a Cad and how to Cry on Cue or what.

Rave, how about kicking in some of your part-time bike shop money, hey, even better, why didn't YOU think about setting up a Reward as opposed to spending your free TIME working part-time in a bike shop, playing soccer and bicycle, dating, buying new cell phones, playing online, going through jobs at lightening speed. You disgust me.

[terminatrixator]

"Raven and Janet Abaroa were private people, and now strangers speculate on the details of their lives and the killing on Web sites, he said. He recognizes that even strangers want to see justice for his wife, but he also worries that people personify Janet as weak, as being helplessly victimized. They should remember her as the strong woman she was, he said."

Oh how wrong the Raven has it. This stranger has No doubt in my mind that Janet was NOT the weak one Old Rave.

Janet was strong, much stronger than you. Must stronger than you will EVER be. See Raven, she had a conscience, she was smart, and caring.

She was very strong to try to make her marriage work, though you tried to destroy it on more than one occasion. Taking you back, for the sake of trying to make a marriage work, and raise a Child is VERY strong.

Me, and many like me DO NOT think of Janet as weak. YOU, however, are VERY WEAK!

How dare you say Janet Marie was not victimized? What do you call being MURDERED in your own home is????

Kaiden was victimized, when his Mother was taken away. Janet Marie Christiansen was victimized by a weak man, who has absolutely NO care, NO conscience.

Janet is watching her Murderer, every single day, and keeping track of what he is doing.

Being Murdered does not make one weak, Janet's strength is here, Seeking Justice Raven.

Can you taste it? Can you Hear it? Can you Feel it?

I bet you will eventually.

[terminatrixator]

http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-693472.html

Jan 24, 2006 : 10:47 pm ET

DURHAM -- A $5,000 award is being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction in the April 26 slaying of 25-year-old Janet Abaroa, according to a Durham Police Department news release.

Abaroa, of 2606 Ferrand Drive, was stabbed to death between the hours of 8:30 and 11 p.m. while at home with her 6-month-old son. Abaroa's husband, Raven, found her body after returning from an evening sporting event. The couple's son, Kaiden, was uninjured, police said.

There were no obvious signs of a break-in, according to police, and only a laptop computer had been taken from the house.

Raven and Kaiden Abaroa now live in Utah with his family.

The reward is being offered by Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation, an organization "committed to raising public awareness of the issue of missing persons who have gone missing under suspicious circumstances and of innocent people who have fallen victim to violent crimes," according to the Foundation's mission statement.

The $5,000 reward is in effect for six months, according to police, and is offered in addition to a reward offered by CrimeStoppers.

Anyone with any information about the murder is asked to call CrimeStoppers at 683-1200. CrimeStoppers pays cash rewards for information leading to arrests in felony cases and callers never have to identify themselves.

[JerseyGirl]

What I am thinking is that Janet picked up her son at day care and then went home to get raven and then dropped off her car for repairs?? Here are my questions: Why was Kaiden in daycare? Where was raven all day while Janet was working?You know, we've kind of touched on this before but thinking about this again months later kind of has a different implication.

For the past several months, we've been hearing about Raven going off on trips and dates and such, pushing Kaiden off on anyone that'll take him. We even wondered why this would be - he seemed like such a proud, doting father from Ravenstree. But knowing what we know now, perhaps Kaiden was at the sitter that day simply because Raven didn't want to watch him. He was the doting father as long as he didn't have to be responsible for anything. There was no reason for Kaiden to be at the sitter's while Raven wasn't working, especially considering the financial problems that were going on. Why not save a few dollars by spending time with your child when you're not at work? Sounds like a win/win situation. I wonder - what was Raven doing while he was at the house alone (while Kaiden's needs were being met by someone else all day)? Putting pictures of Kaiden on his website to prove what a great father he was? Overcompensating on that website for the man that he couldn't be in reality. The worst kind of person - the kind that knows what a good person does but spends more time and energy trying to give the impression of being that person rather than actually being it.

Anyway, even when it came time to pick up Kaiden from the sitter's, who was it that picked him up? Janet - after working all day - to put food on Raven and Kaiden's table! Raven couldn't pick him up and have him waiting for Janet when she got home from a long day at work?

I think that the reality is that Raven has never interacted with Kaiden outside of watching Janet bathe him, and wash him, and feed him. Raven is a good father in pictures only. He created "Raven - the perfect family man" on that stupid web site of his but could never compare to it in real life. The Raven we're seeing now that he's in Utah is the Raven that he's been all along. He was as incapable of caring for Kaiden back then as he is today. The difference is that he had Janet back then and was able to present himself as some grand father because of the excellent care that Janet took of Kaiden. Now that Janet's no longer here, we see the Raven he's always been - a terrible husband and a terrible father.

[JerseyGirl]

"He knows who his mom is," he said. "He sees pictures of her and says, 'Ma,'Raven, I hope & pray that this is true. That little boy needs his mommy in any capacity in which he can have her. Regardless of everything else, when Kaiden gets older, HE will hold you accountable for how well he does or does not "know" Janet. Do the right thing for Kaiden. Make her a regular part of his life each and every day.

And thank you for answering that question for us.

[JerseyGirl]

Raven and Janet Abaroa were private people, and now strangers speculate on the details of their lives and the killing on Web sites, he said. He recognizes that even strangers want to see justice for his wife, but he also worries that people personify Janet as weak, as being helplessly victimized. They should remember her as the strong woman she was, he said.I keep coming back to this ...

I wish we could know how this all transpired. Did Raven start complaining during this interview about the strangers on websites, etc., prompting the reporter to ask "Do you at least recognize that even complete strangers are interested in finding justice for your wife?", and he said "Yes, but I don't want people to think that she was helplessly victimized ... she was a very strong woman ..." The way this conversation took place is just as important as what was said. Without the context, I can't decide what this means.

Right now, I'm leaning towards the idea that Raven couldn't control himself and just had to say something about WS, (I suspect he might even have mentioned it by name but that it was changed by the reporter). I also wonder if Raven might have said these things with a touch of anger and hostility towards Janet.

Finally, I wonder if Raven is worried that a future jury might perceive Janet as meek and victimized. That wouldn't help her murderer's case much - a murderer would probably want to work on changing that type of perception of the victim ASAP.

[JerseyGirl]

In the hours before her death, Janet Abaroa, who was in the early stages of pregnancy, picked up her son at day care and went with her husband to drop off her car for repairs...I'd still love to know what repairs they were ... was it an immediate issue that had just presented itself or was it an ongoing problem?

Was this appointment scheduled that day, days prior, the week prior ... ?

What was the problem that was so significant that they needed to have it fixed in the midst of their financial troubles and on a weekday afternoon?

Is there any record of past automotive appointments that the Abaroas had had? Was it customary for them to bring a car in on a weekday afternoon or had they usually brought it in on the weekend?

Etcetera ...

[LTUlegal]

I'd still love to know what repairs they were ... was it an immediate issue that had just presented itself or was it an ongoing problem?

Was this appointment scheduled that day, days prior, the week prior ... ?

What was the problem that was so significant that they needed to have it fixed in the midst of their financial troubles and on a weekday afternoon?

Is there any record of past automotive appointments that the Abaroas had had? Was it customary for them to bring a car in on a weekday afternoon or had they usually brought it in on the weekend?

Etcetera ...
First, JG, let me say that you always bring out very good points to ponder...

Your earlier post about the context of the conversation with Raven, I wonder, too, how it was brought up. I wonder if she said, "you know, I've seen that people (from ws) are very passionate about this case, do you have anything to say to them?" As a reporter, I would think she'd want to bring that up although I'm sure he wanted to tell everyone here to, ahem..."kiss off".

Janet was a very slight woman, no matter how you look at it, she was a petite person, and of course she was strong, but obviously not strong enough to fight off her attacker, whom she probably trusted with her life. I think as far as her disposition, I don't think she was the one to cause a confrontation, I think she just tried to keep things low-key. I think if she brought up a problem, it was probably raven who would get p***ed off and erupt until he got his way.

Now, when it comes to picking up Kaiden from the babysitter...well, yes, it appears before Janet's death and after her death, Kaiden has only been an accessory for raven. Like, a matching handbag or cute shoes complete an outfit...Kaiden just completes the appearance of raven when it's convenient. I do find it very sweet that he's kicking a soccer ball, because I do believe that Janet would be proud of that.

Regarding the automotive repairs...was this something as simple as an oil change? Pretty much anywhere, you'll find a place open all week, but I know that in my town, finding a repair shop that works on the weekend is next to impossible without paying through the nose. But, yes, if it was something that didn't need to be done right away, why do it when money was strapped? They had 2 other vehicles...or really, since raven wasn't working, how badly did he need to have another vehicle, he wasn't watching Kaiden! Why spend money if you don't have to??? I guess that would be a question throughout raven's life...

[JerseyGirl]

Regarding the automotive repairs...was this something as simple as an oil change? Pretty much anywhere, you'll find a place open all week, but I know that in my town, finding a repair shop that works on the weekend is next to impossible without paying through the nose.I can see that but if that were the case, then why not drop it off on a Sunday evening (lots of places have drop boxes for the keys) to be started on Monday and then pick it up when it's finished later in the week. What was so urgent that it had to go into the shop on the same day as work and hometeachers and soccer? It just seems so inconvenient and almost forced to bring the car into the shop on a day that was already so busy. Where did dinner and playtime and bath and bedtime fit into all of this?

IMO, it all comes down to the timeline. There's a reason why all of these activities were crammed into one day and I believe it has to do with the timeline.

[terminatrixator]

I can see that but if that were the case, then why not drop it off on a Sunday evening (lots of places have drop boxes for the keys) to be started on Monday and then pick it up when it's finished later in the week. What was so urgent that it had to go into the shop on the same day as work and hometeachers and soccer? It just seems so inconvenient and almost forced to bring the car into the shop on a day that was already so busy. Where did dinner and playtime and bath and bedtime fit into all of this?

IMO, it all comes down to the timeline. There's a reason why all of these activities were crammed into one day and I believe it has to do with the timeline. Well he did say the day before he had changes coming up in his life, guess he decided to move quickly.

I think because he stayed up online on his laptop all night long, he probably needed his sleep during the day, you can't sleep with a baby in the house to take care of, of course, he probably need to rest up for his "soccer game" too.

If you look at Raven's online activities they are were usually posted very very late at night.

[lauriej]

1st...............i'm thrilled to see a reward offered in janet's case---------and more importantly---that the crime has been brought back to the spotlight.

..her car.........good points again jersey.........why on earth would they take it in on a tuesday ? SHE was working, and therefore needed it the rest of the week.....was it an unexpected repair that had to be done immediatly ? a simple oil change/maintenance? surely that could have waited ------------of course the service station wil have records and can inform LE...

..as i recall, "way back when", a poster asked what difference it would have made if janet did or did not have access to her vehicle that night-------i would say now, a huge difference--------------raven is acting crazed, and she knows she can't grab kaiden and her keys and get out---------------so she tries to reason with him------------but he's bigger/stronger............and he has a knife.....

..well raven, ummm, i mean "the crazed lunatic that did NOT break in to your house, had NO reason to harm janet, but DID in fact stab her to death anyway"-------------when you ( allegedly ) kissed kaiden goodnight, again--then found your wife slain-------did you remember to grab him and bring him out of the house and out of harm's way ?"or not ?

[BirdHunter]

I am looking forward to see if and how much Raven and his family will raise to catch this crazed killer on the loose...Wait, wouldn't that be paying some one to rat out Raven?

[LTUlegal]

I am looking forward to see if and how much Raven and his family will raise to catch this crazed killer on the loose...Wait, wouldn't that be paying some one to rat out Raven?
I hope you're not holding your breath on that one, cuz I think you'd turn blue, waiting. :o

[ewwwinteresting]

I am looking forward to see if and how much Raven and his family will raise to catch this crazed killer on the loose
Exactly! Where is raven and his family in speaking out for help to find this horrific person? I'm sure they can't bear the thought of having to put any of their own money in to raise the reward...we can beg for it but we sure ain't going to give any away!!

[JerseyGirl]

I think because he stayed up online on his laptop all night long, he probably needed his sleep during the day, you can't sleep with a baby in the house to take care of, of course, he probably need to rest up for his "soccer game" too.But let's remember ... if he was in a manic phase, he wouldn't have needed much sleep.

[JerseyGirl]

when you ( allegedly ) kissed kaiden goodnight, again--then found your wife slain-------did you remember to grab him and bring him out of the house and out of harm's way ?"or not ?Very good question ... the only thing that I remember hearing about that issue is that Kaiden was crying in the background of the 911 call, and the 911 operator told Raven to go get him. If that's true then apparently Raven did all of this running around and called 911 without ever thinking to grab Kaiden and get him out of the house. (Maybe that's understandable if Raven believed that Janet was "just" hurt - he wanted to help her and wasn't thinking clearly. But I guess that comes down to which version of Raven's story one believes ... if we believe the version in which he knew she was dead, then I would be inclined to believe that instinct would have said to grab the baby and run like hell.)

Anyway, as I've mentioned in the past, if Kaiden was in his room crying, what was it that woke him up? He had been asleep only moments before when Raven came home and kissed him goodnight. I guess it could have been that male scream that one of the neighbors reported hearing or it could also have been the noises of a life or death struggle.

[JerseyGirl]

I am looking forward to see if and how much Raven and his family will raise to catch this crazed killer on the loose...Wait, wouldn't that be paying some one to rat out Raven?Imagine how much reward money there could be if Raven had put even half of his fun money towards it. How much does a week at the Moab bike festival cost, I wonder?

Funny, he says that he's hoping that the reward money (if not someone's conscience ... what a sociopath), will help to bring some clues and that he doesn't know what it'll take - as if he's been running himself ragged trying to keep this case moving. As Moxie pointed out, let everyone reading know this - Raven did not raise that money, contribute to that money, or have any part in getting that reward money for Janet's case. In fact, he was probably as surprised as many of us when the reward was announced.

[terminatrixator]

Yep, very good. He's a Psychopath.

A psychopath can have high verbal intelligence, but they typically lack "emotional intelligence". They can be expert in manipulating others by playing to their emotions. There is a shallow quality to the emotional aspect of their stories (i.e., how they felt, why they felt that way, or how others may have felt and why). The lack of emotional intelligence is the first good sign you may be dealing with a psychopath. A history of criminal behavior in which they do not seem to learn from their experience, but merely think about ways to not get caught is the second best sign.

The following is a list of items based on the research of Robert Hare, Ph.D. which is derived from the "The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, .1991, Toronto: Multi-Health Systems." These are the most highly researched and recognized characteristics of psychopathic personality and behavior.



glibness/superficial charm


grandiose sense of self worth


need for stimulation/prone to boredom


pathological lying


conning/manipulative


lack of remorse or guilt


shallow emotional response


callous/lack of empathy


parasitic lifestyle


poor behavioral controls


promiscuous sexual behavior


early behavioral problems


lack of realistic long term goals


impulsivity


irresponsibility


failure to accept responsibility for their own actions


many short term relationships


juvenile delinquency


revocation of conditional release


criminal versatility

There is no actual diagnosis of Psychopathy in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), but it is a highly studied area. A psychopath is not the same as an antisocial personality. Antisocial personalities may or may not be psychopathic. The antisocial personality is primarily a problem involving a failure to respect the right of individuals, the law and rules of society. Psychopathy involves poor emotional intelligence, the lack of conscience, and an inability to feel attached to people except in terms of their value as a source of stimulation or new possessions. There are many expressions and forms of psychopathy. For instance, a sexual psychopath is one form of a psychopath.

There is a significant amount of evidence to suggest that:




there may be a genetic influence that creates a psychopathic personality




adult psychopaths do not benefit from traditional counseling therapy and may in fact offend again and sooner because of it



the brain of a psychopath may function and process information differently from those of non-psychopaths



less intelligent psychopaths end up in prisons (highly intelligent psychopaths can run companies)



psychopathic behavior may have once had a strong genetic "survival of the species" value
psychopathic personalities are much more common than most of us realize

[JerseyGirl]

- parasitic lifestyle
Wow, extremely enlightening, Terminatrixator. So according to that source, what would be the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath?

[SouthEastSleuth]

In the News and Observer this past Saturday, there was a display ad, of sorts, placed by Durham CrimeStoppers - giving an update on CrimeStopper activities for 2005 (I can't seem to find it online, and maybe since it's an ad format it's not there?....so I'm posting the text from the actual hard copy I have).


DURHAM CRIMESTOPPERS
919-683-1200


The Durham CrimeStoppers program ended a successful run in 2005, according to the Durham Police Department. Tips from citizens helped police reel in suspects in homicides, rapes, car thefts and assaults, among others, and also aided in the capture of sought-after fugitives.


You, the people

helped solve these Durham crimes:

13 homicides
17 felonious larcenies/thefts
2 rapes
2 auto thefts
7 armed robberies
7 drug cases
14 aggravated assaults
5 forgeries
4 burglaries
109 fugitives captured

************************

These numbers don't lie - CrimeStoppers DOES work - and it works because people can call ANONYMOUSLY and provide information - and it works because often people often have information that might SEEM insignificant, but in reality could be a piece of a larger puzzle! Rewards are offered for information as well.

So if anyone has ANY information regarding Raven, Janet, the night of the murder, the days before and after the murder even, please, call Durham CrimeStoppers at 919-683-1200.

[terminatrixator]

Wow, extremely enlightening, Terminatrixator. So according to that source, what would be the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath?
Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad. The term "sociopath" is frequently used by psychologists and sociologists alike in referring to persons whose unsocialized character is due primarily to parental failures (usually fatherlessness) rather than inherent features of temperament. However, this may only describe the "common sociopath", as there are at least four (4) different subtypes -- common, alienated, aggressive, and dyssocial. Commons are characterized mostly by their lack of conscience; the alienated by their inability to love or be loved; aggressives by a consistent sadistic streak; and dyssocials by an ability to abide by gang rules, as long as those rules are the wrong rules. Some common sociopathic traits include: Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect; Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex; Lack of interest in bonding with a mate
Psychopathy is a concept subject to much debate, but is usually defined as a constellation of affective, interpersonal, and behavioral characteristics including egocentricity; impulsivity; irresponsibility; shallow emotions; lack of empathy, guilt, or remorse; pathological lying; manipulativeness; and the persistent violation of social norms and expectations (Cleckley 1976; Hare 1993). The crimes of psychopaths are usually stone-cold, remorseless killings for no apparent reason. They cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. In many ways, they are natural-born intraspecies predators who satisfy their lust for power and control by charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence. While almost all societies would regard them as criminals (the exception being frontier or warlike societies where they might become heroes, patriots, or leaders), it's important to distinguish their behavior from criminal behavior. As Prof. Hare (http://www.mhsource.com/edu/psytimes/p960239.html) is fond of pointing out, most psychopaths are antisocial but not all antisocial personalities are psychopaths. This is because APD is defined mainly by behaviors (Factor 2 antisocial behaviors) and doesn't tap the affective/interpersonal dimensions (Factor 1 core psychopathic features, narcissism) of psychopathy. Further, criminals and APDs tend to "age out" of crime; psychopaths do not, and are at high risk of recidivism. Psychopaths love to intellectualize in treatment with their half-baked understanding of rules. Like the Star Trek character, Spock, their reasoning cannot handle any mix of cognition and emotion. They are calculating predators who, when trapped, will attempt escape, create a nuisance and danger to staff, be a disruptive influence on other patients or inmates, and fake symptoms to get transferred, bouncing back and forth between institutions. The common features of psychopathic traits (the PCL-R items) are:

Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/antisocial_sociopath_psychopath.html

[ewwwinteresting]

In the News and Observer this past Saturday, there was a display ad, of sorts, placed by Durham CrimeStoppers - giving an update on CrimeStopper activities for 2005 (I can't seem to find it online, and maybe since it's an ad format it's not there?....so I'm posting the text from the actual hard copy I have).


DURHAM CRIMESTOPPERS
919-683-1200


The Durham CrimeStoppers program ended a successful run in 2005, according to the Durham Police Department. Tips from citizens helped police reel in suspects in homicides, rapes, car thefts and assaults, among others, and also aided in the capture of sought-after fugitives.


You, the people

helped solve these Durham crimes:

13 homicides
17 felonious larcenies/thefts
2 rapes
2 auto thefts
7 armed robberies
7 drug cases
14 aggravated assaults
5 forgeries
4 burglaries
109 fugitives captured

************************

These numbers don't lie - CrimeStoppers DOES work - and it works because people can call ANONYMOUSLY and provide information - and it works because often people often have information that might SEEM insignificant, but in reality could be a piece of a larger puzzle! Rewards are offered for information as well.

So if anyone has ANY information regarding Raven, Janet, the night of the murder, the days before and after the murder even, please, call Durham CrimeStoppers at 919-683-1200.
Thank you for posting the info. from the newspaper SES. And you are right if a lot of people call in with little bits of information, the puzzle can be pieced together!

[terminatrixator]

If you have heard anything regarding Janet Marie Christiansen Abaroa's Murder, any inconsistent statements, anything that seems off, please contact Durham CrimeStoppers at 919-683-1200.

All calls remain anonymous, you do not have to give any personal information about yourself.

[Moxie]

Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad. The term "sociopath" is frequently used by psychologists and sociologists alike in referring to persons whose unsocialized character is due primarily to parental failures (usually fatherlessness) rather than inherent features of temperament. However, this may only describe the "common sociopath", as there are at least four (4) different subtypes -- common, alienated, aggressive, and dyssocial. Commons are characterized mostly by their lack of conscience; the alienated by their inability to love or be loved; aggressives by a consistent sadistic streak; and dyssocials by an ability to abide by gang rules, as long as those rules are the wrong rules. Some common sociopathic traits include: Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect; Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex; Lack of interest in bonding with a mate






Psychopathy is a concept subject to much debate, but is usually defined as a constellation of affective, interpersonal, and behavioral characteristics including egocentricity; impulsivity; irresponsibility; shallow emotions; lack of empathy, guilt, or remorse; pathological lying; manipulativeness; and the persistent violation of social norms and expectations (Cleckley 1976; Hare 1993). The crimes of psychopaths are usually stone-cold, remorseless killings for no apparent reason. They cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. In many ways, they are natural-born intraspecies predators who satisfy their lust for power and control by charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence. While almost all societies would regard them as criminals (the exception being frontier or warlike societies where they might become heroes, patriots, or leaders), it's important to distinguish their behavior from criminal behavior. As Prof. Hare (http://www.mhsource.com/edu/psytimes/p960239.html) is fond of pointing out, most psychopaths are antisocial but not all antisocial personalities are psychopaths. This is because APD is defined mainly by behaviors (Factor 2 antisocial behaviors) and doesn't tap the affective/interpersonal dimensions (Factor 1 core psychopathic features, narcissism) of psychopathy. Further, criminals and APDs tend to "age out" of crime; psychopaths do not, and are at high risk of recidivism. Psychopaths love to intellectualize in treatment with their half-baked understanding of rules. Like the Star Trek character, Spock, their reasoning cannot handle any mix of cognition and emotion. They are calculating predators who, when trapped, will attempt escape, create a nuisance and danger to staff, be a disruptive influence on other patients or inmates, and fake symptoms to get transferred, bouncing back and forth between institutions. The common features of psychopathic traits (the PCL-R items) are:







Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility


http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/antisocial_sociopath_psychopath.htmlAfter reading the above, I believe that Raven's traits tend towards those of the Sociopath. Especially the lack of conscience. He doesn't have one. And he can be incredibly charming around those whom he wants in his corner. But callously cold to those he has determined he does not need.

The only thing that would get his attention is something he cannot control. He feels he can control the people in his life. It's the people that don't fall for his act and don't become emotionally involved or attached to him that actually can have power over him and take away his control. He uses emotional attachments to manipulate people, and without the emotional attachments, he has no control. And I believe that scares him.

[terminatrixator]

Yes Moxie, I definitely see what you mean, however, if you look at Psychopath, the traits are:

Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility

These also seem to fit him quite well.

I believe one thing I read is that it depends on which way you look at Sociopath & Psychopaths.

Here's a more indepth look at psychopaths:

DISTEMPERED PSYCHOPATHS are the kind that seem to fly into a rage or frenzy more easily and more often than other subtypes. Their frenzy will resemble an epileptic fit. They are also usually men with incredibly strong sex drives, capable of astonishing feats of sexual energy, and seemingly obsessed by sexual urges during a large part of their waking lives. Powerful cravings also seem to characterize them, as in drug addiction, kleptomania, pedophilia, any illicit or illegal indulgence. They like the endorphin "high" or "rush" off of excitement and risk-taking. The serial-rapist-murderer known as the Boston Strangler was such a psychopath.

CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for example, might be psychopaths if they lead their followers to their deaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions. They are irresistible.


PRIMARY PSYCHOPATHS do not respond to punishment, apprehension, stress, or disapproval. They seem to be able to inhibit their antisocial impulses most of the time, not because of conscience, but because it suits their purpose at the time. Words do not seem to have the same meaning for them as they do for us. In fact, it's unclear if they even grasp the meaning of their own words, a condition that Cleckley called "semantic aphasia." They don't follow any life plan, and it seems as if they are incapable of experiencing any genuine emotion.


SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to stress as the average person. They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation.

[terminatrixator]

$5,000 Reward Offered In Unsolved Case Of Slain Durham Mother
http://www.wral.com/news/6404283/detail.html

POSTED: 2:38 pm EST January 24, 2006
UPDATED: 4:11 pm EST January 24, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. -- Nearly nine months after a Durham mother was found stabbed to death in her home, Durham police announced a reward Tuesday for information about the case.The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation (http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/) is offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the April 26 slaying of 25-year-old Janet Abaroa.

On The Web: Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation (http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/)

Abaroa's husband, Raven Abaroa, found his wife dead inside their home at 2606 Ferrand Drive around 11 p.m. on Tuesday, April 26. Their 6-month-old son, Kaiden, who was also in the home, was uninjured.In the hours before her death, Janet Abaroa, who was in the early stages of pregnancy, picked up her son at day care and went with her husband to drop off her car for repairs, police said in a news release issued Tuesday.The Abaroas then met with a church member at their home that evening before Raven Abaroa left the house around 8:30 p.m. in a gray Dodge Durango to play in an indoor soccer game in Morrisville.Police said that when Abaroa returned home that evening, he found his wife upstairs.Investigators spent nearly 24 hours collecting evidence from the home, including knives, a cell phone and financial items, including a checkbook and loan papers. Police searched the Dodge Durango, where they found a knife and a pawn shop ticket. Authorities also collected soil samples from the SUV and took swabbings from various locations in the house. They also took the clothes Raven Abaroa had been wearing.In August, Durham investigators searched through the couple's e-mail accounts in hopes of finding information that would lead them to an arrest.Although no charges have been filed and no suspects have been named in the case, investigators said they do not believe the homicide was random. Police said there were no obvious signs of a break-in, even though a laptop computer was reported missing from the house.The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation, which posts rewards for families of victims who lack the financial means to do so themselves, will offer the $5,000 reward for six months. It is in addition to a reward being offered by CrimeStoppers for an arrest in the case.Anyone with information is asked to call the Durham Police Department at (919) 560-4440, ext. 247 or CrimeStoppers at (919) 683-1200.
Just a quick note to get things back to the topic. If you would like to donate towards the Janet Marie Chrisitansen Reward fund you may do so by going to the Carole Sund Carrington Foundation site, and contributing and make sure to mark clearly that it is for the Janet Marie Christiansen Reward Fund.

Thanks!

[SouthEastSleuth]

I can see that but if that were the case, then why not drop it off on a Sunday evening (lots of places have drop boxes for the keys) to be started on Monday and then pick it up when it's finished later in the week. What was so urgent that it had to go into the shop on the same day as work and hometeachers and soccer? It just seems so inconvenient and almost forced to bring the car into the shop on a day that was already so busy. Where did dinner and playtime and bath and bedtime fit into all of this?

IMO, it all comes down to the timeline. There's a reason why all of these activities were crammed into one day and I believe it has to do with the timeline.

You know, this makes me think of something else too. Recently that pic of Raven with Kaiden at the computer was discussed. As I recall, Raven posted that picture the day before Janet was murdered, and also posted some other pix, that referenced them being taken that Monday, the 25th.

The one of Raven and Kaiden at the computer - it's possible that Raven used a webcam to take that pic? If not, who took that pic? Janet? Which makes me wonder - do we know if Janet worked that Monday or not? And if she didn't, why not take the Acura in for service on THAT day, as opposed to a work day, when the hometeachers were coming, etc,etc.?

[ewwwinteresting]

You know, this makes me think of something else too. Recently that pic of Raven with Kaiden at the computer was discussed. As I recall, Raven posted that picture the day before Janet was murdered, and also posted some other pix, that referenced them being taken that Monday, the 25th.

The one of Raven and Kaiden at the computer - it's possible that Raven used a webcam to take that pic? If not, who took that pic? Janet? Which makes me wonder - do we know if Janet worked that Monday or not? And if she didn't, why not take the Acura in for service on THAT day, as opposed to a work day, when the hometeachers were coming, etc,etc.?
Maybe the picture was taken Monday evening, after work? Well at least after Janet's work since we've been told raven wasn't working (again)!

[JerseyGirl]

Maybe the picture was taken Monday evening, after work? Well at least after Janet's work since we've been told raven wasn't working (again)!That's quite possible but there were other pictures taken that day as well that we know were taken in the morning:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Evidence (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=678144&postcount=286)

"... When did Raven work? I noticed on his website (Ravenstree.com) that he posts pictures of Kaiden that were taken Monday morning, April 25. He is trying to show a scar over Kaiden's eye, which he received by falling off the bed WHILE DAD WAS SLEEPING!!!!!! Now, I am assuming that Janet was at work..."

So we assumed that Janet was at work but we never did know for sure. We do know for sure, however, that pictures WERE taken that Monday morning. I remember the pics of Kaiden - with Raven trying to point out his "Harry Potter scar". But I can't remember if Raven is in those pics with someone else doing the photographing and at this point those photos are probably long gone. We also can't be certain that those pics were taken by Janet on a day off either - they could have been taken before work for all we know.

Does anyone know the answer? Did Janet work five days a week? Is there a chance that she was off that Monday, April 25th?

[BirdHunter]

You know, this makes me think of something else too. Recently that pic of Raven with Kaiden at the computer was discussed. As I recall, Raven posted that picture the day before Janet was murdered, and also posted some other pix, that referenced them being taken that Monday, the 25th.

The one of Raven and Kaiden at the computer - it's possible that Raven used a webcam to take that pic? If not, who took that pic? Janet? Which makes me wonder - do we know if Janet worked that Monday or not? And if she didn't, why not take the Acura in for service on THAT day, as opposed to a work day, when the hometeachers were coming, etc,etc.?From the angle of the picture, I am going with webcam.

[texasgirl]

Finally some good news! I come in here often to see if there's anything new, I am so happy to see this!!!

Raven, it won't be long....:behindbar

[SouthEastSleuth]

This is the actual press release from DPD regarding the $5000 reward from Sund/Carrington: ( http://www.durhampolice.com/news/pdf/060124_1.pdf )


excerpts:


"Abaroa's husband, Raven, found her stabbed to death inside their home at 2606 Ferrand Drive around 11 p.m. on Tuesday, April 26. Their 6-month-old son, Kaiden, was uninjured. There were no obvious signs of a break-in, but a laptop computer was missing from the home.

No charges have been filed in the case, but investigators do not believe it was a random act. Police have not named a suspect in the case.

In the hours before her death, Janet Abaroa, who was in the early stages of pregnancy, picked up her child at day care and went with her husband to drop off her car for repairs. The Abaroas met with a church member at their home that evening before Raven Abaroa left the house around 8:30 p.m. in a gray Dodge Durango to play in an indoor soccer game in Morrisville. Raven Abaroa found his wife when he returned hom from the game...."

[JerseyGirl]

Is the wording in this press release customary? Would it normally say something like - if you noticed any suspicious vehicles or activity on Ferrand Drive, please contact LE? It seems like they give an awful lot of description of what Janet and Raven were doing, including the description and times that Raven was allegedly in the vehicle that night.

[terminatrixator]

I'm not sure JG.

I surely do not understand what is going on with Durham LE's Website.

I know that they have totally redone it since I first logged into Durham LE's site. Maybe they aren't finished yet.

http://www.durhampolice.com/news/

Until a month ago, there was only one media log in April, then one in August, then in November.

One day I logged on and noticed they had the complete media logs for all of April through December. There were tons of them, and I combed through them all looking for any media logs regarding Janet. I found 3 of them at that time. Now they are all gone again and are just showing the one for April, one for August and one for November and a few for December.

LE's media log/reports I found regarding Janet.

The first one was the initial media report regarding Janet's Murder.
There was one update.
There was one more update I believe, regarding the autopsy.
Now there is the one regarding the reward.

In all there should be 4 media logs regarding Janet and all the previous links are no longer working.

This is strange, maybe they are not done updating the logs and their website, but I do know I downloaded these logs to my computer and they are now missing from the website, the only one remaining is the Reward.

[SouthEastSleuth]

Is the wording in this press release customary? Would it normally say something like - if you noticed any suspicious vehicles or activity on Ferrand Drive, please contact LE? It seems like they give an awful lot of description of what Janet and Raven were doing, including the description and times that Raven was allegedly in the vehicle that night.
You know, this is a very interesting point -

From the reward press release:

"....before Raven Abaroa left the house around 8:30 p.m. in a gray Dodge Durango to play in an indoor soccer game in Morrisville....."

IF LE was certain that Raven had nothing to do with Janet's murder, then why now, in this press release, give such detail about RAVEN'S presumed movements that evening - a "gray Dodge Durango" - "an indoor soccer game in Morrisville" - it's almost as if LE is saying, 'ok, here are some facts', yet, the DETAILED facts have to do with one thing - Raven, his presumed movements, and the vehicle itself. Further, when they mention the 'missing' laptop, it is with the caveat that "there were no obvious signs of a break-in." (Granted, I'm sure there are break-ins everyday where there are no 'obvious signs', but still....)

But truly, when you look closely at the wording of the release, and perhaps I'm grasping here, it looks like LE is saying - we're looking at one person...

Makes me think, that in a covert kind of way, LE DID in some ways name a POI - Raven.

[terminatrixator]

Oh I think so too SES. It is like LE is saying - okay the suspect and POI is Raven without coming out and saying the suspect and POI is Raven.

Unfortunately, because he has not been publicly cleared, and they have had plenty of time to clear anyone else, it is still leaving this one person, not cleared, not cooperating, not seeming to care wth is going on with the investigation of the murder of his wife and unborn child.

I am making just an assumption but I am assuming that every other avenue, aspect has been fully investigated and there is only one person that is not cleared............

The Raven.

[Scout]

The articles don't make it clear -- was the church member still at the home when Raven left for the soccer game?

[terminatrixator]

The articles don't make it clear -- was the church member still at the home when Raven left for the soccer game?
No confirmed the church member left earlier. It was then Raven, Janet and Kaiden home alone.

We have word that Raven stated he left at approx. 8:30 to go to Morrisville to play an indoor soccer game.

See Post #105 on Soccer Game ... No really, "the" Soccer Game below:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=951665&postcount=105

Played Soccer (still not a confirmation what time he showed up or what time he left or if he really played at all) There is rumor somewhere he showed up, and left early because he had an "uneasy feeling" but I am trying to find that unsubstantiated rumor.

If he showed up at the indoor soccer, he had to drive home. We have no timeline of what time he left (taking into consideration it was a 30 minute drive home.)

If he indeed left at 8:30, he would have arrived in Morrissville around 9:00 played then he would have had to leave no later than 10:00 to arrive home at 10:30 and we have no confirmation if he made stops on the way to or from the soccer game

There is no confirmation if Raven stopped anywhere on the way to or on the way home from Soccer, just a clue of a bottle of Gatoraide in the Durango.

We had word Raven stated he got home at about 10:30, then we had word he got home later than that. There is no actual confirmation what time he got home, just different approximate times.

[SouthEastSleuth]

The articles don't make it clear -- was the church member still at the home when Raven left for the soccer game?

This is pure speculation, for sure, but, if you look at the ME report, there is a field on the form called "Last Known to be Alive." The ME wrote in, "About 19:00 pm." Now, logic says that someone had to have provided that info to the ME of course. My guess is, 7pm must be at least the approx time the church member(s) left the house, with the ME using THAT time, as opposed to what time Raven said HE left the house, as the 7pm time would be the last CONFIRMABLE time. Otherwise, if Raven says he left the house at 8:30pm, then presumably the ME would have used 8:30pm as the "last known to be alive" time.

Which raises an interesting point - IF the church member(s) left Ferrand Drive at 7pm, and Raven didn't leave to play soccer until 8:30pm (if that is what he in fact told LE - and presumably we know that from the reward press release), it's interesting to speculate on what was going on at Ferrand from 7-830pm....

[LTUlegal]

This is pure speculation, for sure, but, if you look at the ME report, there is a field on the form called "Last Known to be Alive." The ME wrote in, "About 19:00 pm." Now, logic says that someone had to have provided that info to the ME of course. My guess is, 7pm must be at least the approx time the church member(s) left the house, with the ME using THAT time, as opposed to what time Raven said HE left the house, as the 7pm time would be the last CONFIRMABLE time. Otherwise, if Raven says he left the house at 8:30pm, then presumably the ME would have used 8:30pm as the "last known to be alive" time.

Which raises an interesting point - IF the church member(s) left Ferrand Drive at 7pm, and Raven didn't leave to play soccer until 8:30pm (if that is what he in fact told LE - and presumably we know that from the reward press release), it's interesting to speculate on what was going on at Ferrand from 7-830pm....
Isn't it? I'll bet Raven knows.

[Thinkoflaura]

Is anything else known about Janet's worried co-workers on the night of her murder?

We had the initial report that THEY were the ones who sounded the alarm that all was not well with her.

Has that ever been confirmed in any way? It's one of the most puzzling inconsistent aspects of the murder, IMO.
I have wondered if Raven first placed a call to 911 from one of those pre-paid cell phone which can't be traced, claiming to be a worried co-worker. In that way, he could have been ABSENT when her body was discovered by LE... Perps usually do not want to be the one to find the body or report the crime.

I keep wondering exactly what happened and in what order.
Does anyone have a theory?
I hope this ties in enough to this thread to bring it up. I don't ever want to hijack someone's discussion.

Thanks!
ToL

[terminatrixator]

Is anything else known about Janet's worried co-workers on the night of her murder?

We had the initial report that THEY were the ones who sounded the alarm that all was not well with her.

Has that ever been confirmed in any way? It's one of the most puzzling inconsistent aspects of the murder, IMO.
I have wondered if Raven first placed a call to 911 from one of those pre-paid cell phone which can't be traced, claiming to be a worried co-worker. In that way, he could have been ABSENT when her body was discovered by LE... Perps usually do not want to be the one to find the body or report the crime.

I keep wondering exactly what happened and in what order.
Does anyone have a theory?
I hope this ties in enough to this thread to bring it up. I don't ever want to hijack someone's discussion.

Thanks!
ToL
ToL,

Hmmm, from what I remember by reading the threads, I believe that a coworker sent emails to Janet. The next day when the first reports of the Murder hit the news, no name was released but the address or general area. The coworker then decided to go past the home, because Janet had not responded to the email(s).

I think there was confusion that it was that evening or that they contacted LE worried, but I think it was the next day, that coworker(s) went past the home because of a news report of a murder on Ferrand.

Does anyone know where this information is here? I think this is how it went down, but I could be wrong.

[lauriej]

i found this, from "back then"..discussion #2.


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Whoaaaaa .... I found this article, this isn't the story that is being currently reported ....

http://www.nbc17.com/news/4421425/detail.html
........

Officers were called to the home at about 11 p.m. and discovered the body of 25-year-old Janet Abaroa.

One of Abaroa's co-workers e-mailed her, and when she failed to respond, she and other co-workers went to check on her.

Abaroa's husband wasn't at the crime scene, and police had no word on his whereabouts as of Wednesday evening. Police haven't disclosed whether they believe the slaying was the result of a domestic dispute.
Police said the Abaroa's 6-month-old child is being cared for by a church pastor.

Neighbors said they were stunned by the violent crime in a quiet area of west Durham.

"My heart was racing, think, 'OK, who could it be?'" Theresa Samulski told NBC-17. "I know everybody (in the neighborhood), but I don't know them. I walk my dogs every day and I talk to everybody, but I haven't seen them at all."

[lauriej]

..i did notice that the majority of links to the 'media posts' from last year are now 'unavailable'/'page not found'.

..a note to remember: when posting media links for this case /and future cases: copy the main gist of the article ( which still adheres to TOS ) so that we'll have it for reference..

[JerseyGirl]

I am making just an assumption but I am assuming that every other avenue, aspect has been fully investigated and there is only one person that is not cleared............

The Raven.That's a great point - don't they usually try to clear those closest to the victim first? So if ten months have gone by, and Raven still hasn't been cleared, what does that tell us? Either that he hasn't PUBLICLY been cleared or that he's still a POI. Based on the wording in that press release, it seems that the latter is much more likely.

[JerseyGirl]

... it's interesting to speculate on what was going on at Ferrand from 7-830pm....Does anyone know what the normal routine would be at their house? What time would Kaiden have normally been put to bed? Or would he already have been in bed by the time the hometeacher(s) arrived?

[terminatrixator]

The Murder of Janet Marie Christiansen was on TUESDAY, April 26, 2005.

This new article is takling about the story they were covering on WEDNESDAY EVENING. The writer really was not very clear in this article sorry.

"One of Abaroa's co-workers e-mailed her, and when she failed to respond, she and other co-workers went to check on her. Abaroa's husband wasn't at the crime scene, and police had no word on his whereabouts as of Wednesday evening. "

I think it was Wednesday Evening that the coworkers went to the scene and the reporters just so happen to be there after not hearing from Janet Tuesday evening - Wednesday Evening.

Can anyone make this clearer or find the precise article that shows how this went down?

[terminatrixator]

..i did notice that the majority of links to the 'media posts' from last year are now 'unavailable'/'page not found'.

..a note to remember: when posting media links for this case /and future cases: copy the main gist of the article ( which still adheres to TOS ) so that we'll have it for reference.. This may be why this other site has all the articles in their Link section along with the link to the current article. I read at this site that they did it this way because the links keep getting archived:

http://livetrialupdates.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=20&orderby=dateA

Sometimes the link works and then sometimes they don't and I think they keep getting updated links to the story by searching their archive data base and updating the links. I hope this helps.

I wrote to them to them that their autopsy section had incorrect links, I think that there was a change from http://www.planethuff.com to http://huffcrimeblog.com but they haven't changed those links yet.

[ewwwinteresting]

I wonder if any tips have come in since announcing this reward? Let's hope LE is busy busy busy following up on leads.

[terminatrixator]

Boy, I hope LE is working hard.

I went back to that site, and it seems the ME report is back up online - last time I looked all the links were broken and it seems they are back up again.

http://livetrialupdates.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=21&min=10&orderby=dateA&show=10