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enigma
02-07-2006, 09:25 AM
well, I was able to attend the hearing.....kept a really low profile tho because I don't know anyone. As you have already probably heard there was no hearing out of the judge's chambers. But I did see Darlie Kee, one of Darlie's sisters (don't know which one she is but is pregnant and overheard her say it is a girl due in May), Melanie and another girl with her, an older lady with blonde hair that sat next to Darlie Kee, another blonde with braids, some reporters, Cheryl and a girl with her that appeared to be her daughter and a few males.

The attorneys and Elizabeth Johnson spent most of the time in the judge's chambers for a few hours then all were told it would reconvene at a later date. I now have sore a** from sitting on the bench and it was pretty hard not to talk to anyone. I think next time I will just wait for WS updates.

cami
02-07-2006, 04:10 PM
well, I was able to attend the hearing.....kept a really low profile tho because I don't know anyone. As you have already probably heard there was no hearing out of the judge's chambers. But I did see Darlie Kee, one of Darlie's sisters (don't know which one she is but is pregnant and overheard her say it is a girl due in May), Melanie and another girl with her, an older lady with blonde hair that sat next to Darlie Kee, another blonde with braids, some reporters, Cheryl and a girl with her that appeared to be her daughter and a few males.

The attorneys and Elizabeth Johnson spent most of the time in the judge's chambers for a few hours then all were told it would reconvene at a later date. I now have sore a** from sitting on the bench and it was pretty hard not to talk to anyone. I think next time I will just wait for WS updates.

What was the hearing for? It doesn't specify on her website... just says that it was entirely in the judge's chambers.

enigma
02-07-2006, 07:55 PM
What was the hearing for? It doesn't specify on her website... just says that it was entirely in the judge's chambers.
It is my understanding that Darlie's attorney, Cooper, is asking for the evidence so that it can be DNA tested by Elizabeth Johnson. It seems that not all of the evidence was tested such as Darin's jeans that he was wearing and other stuff.....darn....it was really hard to listen in on other's conversations without being too conspicuous (sp?). :silenced:

Mary456
02-07-2006, 09:09 PM
well, I was able to attend the hearing.....kept a really low profile tho because I don't know anyone. As you have already probably heard there was no hearing out of the judge's chambers. But I did see Darlie Kee, one of Darlie's sisters (don't know which one she is but is pregnant and overheard her say it is a girl due in May), Melanie and another girl with her, an older lady with blonde hair that sat next to Darlie Kee, another blonde with braids, some reporters, Cheryl

Was it the Cheryl I'm thinking of, Enigma? The Cheryl who starred in my nightmares for several years?

Goody
02-07-2006, 09:34 PM
Was it the Cheryl I'm thinking of, Enigma? The Cheryl who starred in my nightmares for several years?
I bet it is, Mare. Any guesses on who Melanie is and maybe the older lady with blonde hair who was with DK?

Mary456
02-07-2006, 11:32 PM
I bet it is, Mare. Any guesses on who Melanie is and maybe the older lady with blonde hair who was with DK?

Melanie Waits, maybe. Wasn't she one of Darlie's friends?

And the older lady with blonde hair was G.I. Rattlesnake Jane! (Just kidding, I have no idea who that could be). No offense intended, Jane...I'm an older lady, too :)

beesy
02-08-2006, 12:14 AM
Was it the Cheryl I'm thinking of, Enigma? The Cheryl who starred in my nightmares for several years? Please explain. Sounds like a good story

beesy
02-08-2006, 12:16 AM
well, I was able to attend the hearing.....kept a really low profile tho because I don't know anyone. As you have already probably heard there was no hearing out of the judge's chambers. But I did see Darlie Kee, one of Darlie's sisters (don't know which one she is but is pregnant and overheard her say it is a girl due in May), Melanie and another girl with her, an older lady with blonde hair that sat next to Darlie Kee, another blonde with braids, some reporters, Cheryl and a girl with her that appeared to be her daughter and a few males.

The attorneys and Elizabeth Johnson spent most of the time in the judge's chambers for a few hours then all were told it would reconvene at a later date. I now have sore a** from sitting on the bench and it was pretty hard not to talk to anyone. I think next time I will just wait for WS updates. No Routiers? No Darin? No Sarilda? Very interesting. Thanks for spying for us!

Goody
02-08-2006, 11:48 PM
No Routiers? No Darin? No Sarilda? Very interesting. Thanks for spying for us!
Good observation, beesy, I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out,

Mary456
02-09-2006, 03:13 PM
Please explain. Sounds like a good story

You missed the good old days, bees, when Cheryl (queen of the Darlie's message board, which was shut down in 2004, without an explanation) told us that the intruders had cigarette lighters to find their way through the garage. Cigarette lighters? Ahhh, give me a break. They provide enough illumination to light a cigarette a few inches from your face, and nothing more.

When that didn't work, she went into a lengthy explanation of how Darlie could have avoided cuts on her feet from the broken glass. "Easy", says Cheryl, "we both have tough feet because we never wear shoes."

When that didn't work, she told us we were all going to hell, and would burn in eternity because we thought Darlie was guilty.

Cheryl knows that Darlie is guilty of killing her sons, but she has a different agenda, which is abolishing the death penalty. On that issue, I'm with her. But she and the rest of the anti-death penalty people are on the wrong track.
Don't argue guilt or innocence; argue the issue of the death penalty, the morality of it (you can't kill. If you do, I'll kill you) and the financial motivation (it costs a whole lot more to keep someone on death row than it does in the general population).

Wow, I really got off the subject. Sorry for rambling.

Oh my goodness, will they ever get the message?

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-09-2006, 03:36 PM
Melanie Waits, maybe. Wasn't she one of Darlie's friends?

And the older lady with blonde hair was G.I. Rattlesnake Jane! (Just kidding, I have no idea who that could be). No offense intended, Jane...I'm an older lady, too :)Not me tall brunette with long long hair, built like olive oyl. I look young too.
I can't teleport, to court hearings I live in Lubbock.
I can ask Darlie Kee but I doubt she would want me to post her answer.
Dana is 2nd daughter and is brunette, \ Danielle is blonde and due in MAY.

deanws
02-09-2006, 03:49 PM
Not me tall brunette with long long hair, built like olive oyl. I look young too.
I can't teleport, to court hearings I live in Lubbock.
I can ask Darlie Kee but I doubt she would want me to post her answer.
Dana is 2nd daughter and is brunette, \ Danielle is blonde and due in MAY.

[QUOTE=G.I.RattlesnakeJane]I am the woman true overweight houswives hate. I am skinny eat what I want when I want and never gain weight. Mama Darlie and all my freinds have always greeted me with these types of terms of endearment-- You skinny ***** I hate you, 3 kids and you only weigh 10 more lbs than high school . You look 16 in the face forever and should be shot for making us look bad standing next to you. I'm not trying to be vain here folks my own personal idea of how good looking I am is more like- I'm not so ugly a guy would have to put a feedbag over my head to sleep with me, but I don't consider myself a drop dead gorgeous woman either. I've been married to the same guy since I was 17 and he still thinks I'm goodlooking enough to live with so his feelings about the matter are the only ones I put any real stock in










If you really are close to her, why didn't you know who was the oldest of the boys? I am not trying to be rude, but I question if you really are as close to them as you say. JMO. As for now, I read everything you say about her with a grain of salt. If you really cared for this family, as you say, you would not talk about her as you do. I know that some bulbs only burn 40 watts.....but you are unusually cruel in your descriptions of her. You put her down at every turn, while always describing yourself in glowing terms. Why do you feel the need to ring your bell about your looks all the time? I am not just talking about this post. There are other posts also. This is a board for Darlie. For or against her, neither requires you to compare yourself to her. Again, I am not trying to be rude or hateful...just puzzled on how you approached the subject.:waitasec:

justice2
02-09-2006, 07:45 PM
If you really are close to her, why didn't you know who was the oldest of the boys? I am not trying to be rude, but I question if you really are as close to them as you say. JMO. As for now, I read everything you say about her with a grain of salt. If you really cared for this family, as you say, you would not talk about her as you do. I know that some bulbs only burn 40 watts.....but you are unusually cruel in your descriptions of her. You put her down at every turn, while always describing yourself in glowing terms. Why do you feel the need to ring your bell about your looks all the time? I am not just talking about this post. There are other posts also. This is a board for Darlie. For or against her, neither requires you to compare yourself to her. Again, I am not trying to be rude or hateful...just puzzled on how you approached the subject.:waitasec:
I had the same observations.

Hmm. I beginning to wonder now if that is how Darlie's friends and family treat her, the "teasing" and put downs ... you know how some people almost bring it on themselves ... Anyway, maybe Darlie went along with all of it because of the center of attention thing. Except maybe Darin didn't treat her that way. Maybe that is the "connection" between Darlie and Darin. I'm mean how many people would learn bookkeeping from their husband. Most would end up fighting. Hmm. Ramblin on her but I'm started to see things a little different.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-09-2006, 10:53 PM
If you really are close to her, why didn't you know who was the oldest of the boys? I am not trying to be rude, but I question if you really are as close to them as you say. JMO. As for now, I read everything you say about her with a grain of salt. If you really cared for this family, as you say, you would not talk about her as you do. I know that some bulbs only burn 40 watts.....but you are unusually cruel in your descriptions of her. You put her down at every turn, while always describing yourself in glowing terms. Why do you feel the need to ring your bell about your looks all the time? I am not just talking about this post. There are other posts also. This is a board for Darlie. For or against her, neither requires you to compare yourself to her. Again, I am not trying to be rude or hateful...just puzzled on how you approached the subject.:waitasec:Hey alzahimers and the red hat society are not far off, i mixed up the D&D I even admitted to doing it later I THINK OR IS THAT SOMETIMERS KICKING IN..............
Darlie was not an evil bad person she had her faults too. I think Darlie was drop dead gorgeous, I don't a shine a candle to her in looks or body. I told you she was dumb. Being dumb isn't a crime, being stupid should be and Darlie is NOT STUPID.
READ MY POSTS ABOUT WHAT DUMB AND STUPID ARE. Quote them.
and I LOVED HER DESPITE HER FAULTS. I am like family to her because I was always honest enough to tell her like it was and try to inspire her to do her best. She isn't perfect either her reputation for bad behavior in the court room is now memoralized in bad jokes you over hear at the mall. Darlie was not retarded in intelligence she didn't percieve what other people percieved she looked thru life with some very rose colored glasses.She was so naive. Her sense of taste and style was not what other people liked either. Darlie will still be my friend even if I think she is guilty. My colors don't run either and if I must say goodbye not knowing for sure it would be much worse. If I have to be there for Darlie, even if I'm her only non family supporter, not in her innocence or guilt but in her life. She deserves peace as well. Even if proven unconditionally guilty I would feel the need to be there for Mama Darlie and all the family, not just Darlie. I don't think I can ever consolidate the idea of her killing her kids with the beautiful child who had a very big heart, the lovely woman who DOTED on her kids and seemed so happy with life in general. The killer of those boys deserves punishment and I am not convinced 100% in the story being correct and complete that the prosecution used to put Darlie in jail. A lot of good forensics was done alot was not done at all and maybe with better advances in science now we might get some more answers. I am also being realistic here, Darlie's only hope is finding clues in the evidence collected. No amount of silly string, boats, cars or houses with hot tubs changes anything about Darlie IMO I never judged her on that level but I had to stand around and see her tried and slayed like a lamb at the altar of media interest. The horrible things said about her at trial were lies they painted a false image of Darlie. The Bad Darlie I descibed IS THE REAL DARLIE. Was she really that bad, did I make you think of her as a murderer, no way. Funniest and worst fault was her naivity, and what we always called her dumb. Read the definition of dumb and stupid it applies perfectly here she didn't know better because she didn't percieve things the way you do, or more like the jury of her peers percieved her.

My posts about my looks were something I put out there so you could know the nature of my relationship with the family. We were comfortable enough to 'dis each other. A hug always followed and I hit your nerve cause I'm a skinny ***** - I know. In order to describe it I had to reveal what I looked like. It really doesn't matter what i look like unless you are looking for me and think you might see me in a COURT ROOM. If you see me in the future in a court room you'll know what I look like but I have no plans of attending any hearings and haven't done anything to be hauled into one yet. I never thought of descibing myself in glowing terms but I think I am the ONLY poster who has admitted to commiting a crime. While 100% HONEST I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE IT AS GLOWING, Nothing to brag about.

Why do you feel threatened by me....

SnootyVixen
02-09-2006, 11:23 PM
[QUOTE=Mary456]

Cheryl knows that Darlie is guilty of killing her sons, but she has a different agenda, which is abolishing the death penalty. On that issue, I'm with her. But she and the rest of the anti-death penalty people are on the wrong track.
Don't argue guilt or innocence; argue the issue of the death penalty, the morality of it (you can't kill. If you do, I'll kill you) and the financial motivation (it costs a whole lot more to keep someone on death row than it does in the general population).
QUOTE]

No this is giving wrong information to the posters here. Cheryl is most definately convinced of the innocence of Darlie. Totally convinced. I know this because I talk to her pretty regularly.

beesy
02-09-2006, 11:25 PM
Hey alzahimers and the red hat society are not far off, i mixed up the D&D I even admitted to doing it later I THINK OR IS THAT SOMETIMERS KICKING IN..............
Darlie was not an evil bad person she had her faults too. I think Darlie was drop dead gorgeous, I don't a shine a candle to her in looks or body. I told you she was dumb. Being dumb isn't a crime, being stupid should be and Darlie is NOT STUPID.
READ MY POSTS ABOUT WHAT DUMB AND STUPID ARE. Quote them.
and I LOVED HER DESPITE HER FAULTSI think by now we all understand what you mean about Darlie's intelligence level. I know I'd rather hear more about her from a close friend than the same stuff you keep telling us. Mary asked you about baby-sitting Darlie and you haven't answered. We can see how she looks, we have heard her talk, tell us something concrete that we don't know. Your comments are so general. You are like family to her so tell us details. What was their wedding like? I'm thinking tacky. And by the way, I do not think Darlie is or was drop dead gorgeous. She's not my "type of people", as they say.

She isn't perfect either her reputation for bad behavior in the court room is now memoralized in bad jokes you over hear at the mallSince I do not live in Lubbock or wherever these malls are, which I am grateful for considering the poor hospital facilities, I do not know any of these jokes. Fill me in

I don't think I can ever consolidate the idea of her killing her kids with the beautiful child who had a very big heart, the lovely woman who DOTED on her kids and seemed so happy with life in generalI guess you hadn't spoken to Darlie in a long time before the murders. In May of '96, she wrote a letter to her boys which read in part "my life has been such a hard fight and I can't do it anymore(paraphrased)". She wasn't happy with life then.


I think I am the ONLY poster who has admitted to commiting a crime. While 100% HONEST I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE IT AS GLOWING, Nothing to brag aboutI'm lost again. You commited a crime and confessed to us? What'd you do? .


Why do you feel threatened by me I am not, and doubt the others are, threatened by you. I think we are mystified. I have never spoken with anyone like you before.

deanws
02-10-2006, 01:36 AM
Never did I say I was threatened by you. I never feel threatened by anyone. Just because I am not buying into all that you say yet....doesn't mean that I feel "threatened". As I said before, I take what you have said with a grain of salt until I feel that you are actually as you present yourself to be. If you are, then I would love to hear how the "real Darlie" is. I want to know how she acted, what else was going on in her life....and most of all, I want to know how Darin treated her. According to a neighbor, he rode her butt about being overweight after the last baby. I saw pictures of her, and do not think she was overweight. The record states she was 132, and she was 5'5". That puts her about 8 lbs. heavy. With the size of her boobs, I would say that is almost the perfect weight. Tell us something else other than she was uneducated. I think we can all figure that out. Also, I think Darin was involved and is guilty too. As for committing a crime? I've never had a detention in my life nor a ticket.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-10-2006, 02:25 PM
Never did I say I was threatened by you. I never feel threatened by anyone. Just because I am not buying into all that you say yet....doesn't mean that I feel "threatened". As I said before, I take what you have said with a grain of salt until I feel that you are actually as you present yourself to be. If you are, then I would love to hear how the "real Darlie" is. I want to know how she acted, what else was going on in her life....and most of all, I want to know how Darin treated her. According to a neighbor, he rode her butt about being overweight after the last baby. I saw pictures of her, and do not think she was overweight. The record states she was 132, and she was 5'5". That puts her about 8 lbs. heavy. With the size of her boobs, I would say that is almost the perfect weight. Tell us something else other than she was uneducated. I think we can all figure that out. Also, I think Darin was involved and is guilty too. As for committing a crime? I've never had a detention in my life nor a ticket.Do you feel like me admitting that Darlie had some faults is me being mean to her. No I'm realstic, I see Darlie for her good points and bad. Nothing in her past shows any clues she would just snap and kill her kids. Darlie was a side sleeper if you want some general facts about her. Her wedding was very nice and photos exist proving it.
So what if her taste is different than yours, mine or anyone else's. This is America she is free to decorate her home with whatever she likes.

I don't really want to discuss Darlie's personal life with some people here cause they read in to it whatever they want it to mean. I encourage anyone to take an objective view and remove any personal ideas you have about Darlie and what happened before or after that night in 1996. Look at the crime scene evidence cause it will tell a better more truthful story of really happened that night than any personal story or testimony that she was not the unemotional, cold hearted person she has been made to look like. The worst I told you about Darlie is the truth and her worst in someways is better than mine. i have made a rolling stop before, and while it wasn't on purpose I cut someone off in traffic, no accident but I was in the wrong if one had occured. If you can't admit to it, we all have messed up driving at sometime, it doesn't have to be intentional. Then ask yourself how honest are you how willing are you to lay it all out there good bad and ugly its life.

deanws
02-10-2006, 06:51 PM
Do you feel like me admitting that Darlie had some faults is me being mean to her. No I'm realstic, I see Darlie for her good points and bad. Nothing in her past shows any clues she would just snap and kill her kids. Darlie was a side sleeper if you want some general facts about her. Her wedding was very nice and photos exist proving it.
So what if her taste is different than yours, mine or anyone else's. This is America she is free to decorate her home with whatever she likes.

I don't really want to discuss Darlie's personal life with some people here cause they read in to it whatever they want it to mean. I encourage anyone to take an objective view and remove any personal ideas you have about Darlie and what happened before or after that night in 1996. Look at the crime scene evidence cause it will tell a better more truthful story of really happened that night than any personal story or testimony that she was not the unemotional, cold hearted person she has been made to look like. The worst I told you about Darlie is the truth and her worst in someways is better than mine. i have made a rolling stop before, and while it wasn't on purpose I cut someone off in traffic, no accident but I was in the wrong if one had occured. If you can't admit to it, we all have messed up driving at sometime, it doesn't have to be intentional. Then ask yourself how honest are you how willing are you to lay it all out there good bad and ugly its life.I am very honest. I am not hiding anything. Saying the truth is one thing, acting cruel is another. I have taken an objective view of the evidence. I believe she killed her children and also believe Darin is involved. I have never said her house was decorated tacky. Read my posts before accusing me of such. I have said that without the make-up and the bleached hair, I think she is pretty. I am referring to the prison pictures. I asked for personal details in trying to understand why she did this horrid crime. I see that you have had little contact with her in her adult years. If you had, she and the boys would have known who you were when you were demonstrating the products at Sam's that day. You are the one reading something into our posts. Not the other way around. So far, you have not stated one thing that has been persuasive in changing my mind about her or Darin's guilt. If you came here to post not expecting to be challenged, you were wrong. We all challenge each other on details and ideas. We are here, still trying to find the truth. There are many details that do not fit into the puzzle. Many are here trying to figure out WHY she would do such a thing. I am one of them. I thought talking to someone that personally knew her would shine some light on that. I do not care that you thought she was dumb or that she slept on her side. Those details are useless and don't offer anything in the way of what I would call "personal" details. You say you don't want to discuss her "personal life". Fine. Then I guess we have little more to discuss since you haven't offered any facts that would have me change my mind about what happened to those poor innocent children.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-10-2006, 10:21 PM
I am very honest. I am not hiding anything. Saying the truth is one thing, acting cruel is another. I have taken an objective view of the evidence. I believe she killed her children and also believe Darin is involved. I have never said her house was decorated tacky. Read my posts before accusing me of such. I have said that without the make-up and the bleached hair, I think she is pretty. I am referring to the prison pictures. I asked for personal details in trying to understand why she did this horrid crime. I see that you have had little contact with her in her adult years. If you had, she and the boys would have known who you were when you were demonstrating the products at Sam's that day. You are the one reading something into our posts. Not the other way around. So far, you have not stated one thing that has been persuasive in changing my mind about her or Darin's guilt. If you came here to post not expecting to be challenged, you were wrong. We all challenge each other on details and ideas. We are here, still trying to find the truth. There are many details that do not fit into the puzzle. Many are here trying to figure out WHY she would do such a thing. I am one of them. I thought talking to someone that personally knew her would shine some light on that. I do not care that you thought she was dumb or that she slept on her side. Those details are useless and don't offer anything in the way of what I would call "personal" details. You say you don't want to discuss her "personal life". Fine. Then I guess we have little more to discuss since you haven't offered any facts that would have me change my mind about what happened to those poor innocent children.
I can't tell you if Darlie is innocent or guilty. Quit looking for motive the State doesn't have to have one and lack of one won't set her free.
I am not here to change anyone if you want to change something then
that is your own personal business.
I am not the answer to all the forum questions.
I came here to discuss the crime scene evidence, how it was interpreted,what tests and reanactments were done and why the crime scene evidence points to her guilt and her innocence.
You cannot accept the fact that Darlie is and was a REAL PERSON. She has faults and so do I. You seem to have this idealized view of her. For some reason accepting any fault in anyone Darlie or me . I have no problem admitting mine, especially if I'm going to talk about someone elses. Being self assured enough to do so comes with age and experince.
I have driven beesy and goody crazy with questions based on the evidence.
I am looking for answers here.
None of our discussions, posts or theories will change the fact that Darlie is on death row for this crime. The only hope of proving anything lies in the evidence. I don't mind discussing it either way looking at her as Darlie is the killer alone, with an accomplice, as a victim of 1 ,as a victim of 2 intruders. What best fits the results of the crime lab tests and how do experts derive the answers they get from what they see.
Get off my case I don't make personal coments about your theories, ideas or life experiences cause at least you have the guts to put them out there. If you are as honest as you claim then you could admit that you have faults and so does Darlie and every other living human out there. You should take with a grain of salt everything you hear until you know for a fact that it is true. That goes for about all information in life. I really don't care if you respond of not I didn't come here to win friends and influnce people. I would rather discuss the evidence.

deanws
02-10-2006, 10:26 PM
I can't tell you if Darlie is innocent or guilty. Quit looking for motive the State doesn't have to have one and lack of one won't set her free.
I am not here to change anyone if you want to change something then
that is your own personal business.
I am not the answer to all the forum questions.
I came here to discuss the crime scene evidence, how it was interpreted,what tests and reanactments were done and why the crime scene evidence points to her guilt and her innocence.
You cannot accept the fact that Darlie is and was a REAL PERSON. She has faults and so do I. You seem to have this idealized view of her. For some reason accepting any fault in anyone Darlie or me . I have no problem admitting mine, especially if I'm going to talk about someone elses. Being self assured enough to do so comes with age and experince.
I have driven beesy and goody crazy with questions based on the evidence.
I am looking for answers here.
None of our discussions, posts or theories will change the fact that Darlie is on death row for this crime. The only hope of proving anything lies in the evidence. I don't mind discussing it either way looking at her as Darlie is the killer alone, with an accomplice, as a victim of 1 ,as a victim of 2 intruders. What best fits the results of the crime lab tests and how do experts derive the answers they get from what they see.
Get off my case I don't make personal coments about your theories, ideas or life experiences cause at least you have the guts to put them out there. If you are as honest as you claim then you could admit that you have faults and so does Darlie and every other living human out there. You should take with a grain of salt everything you hear until you know for a fact that it is true. That goes for about all information in life. I really don't care if you respond of not I didn't come here to win friends and influnce people. I would rather discuss the evidence.I don't have any view of her.....I don't KNOW her. YOU said you did. I think she killed her kids. Yeah...a real idealized view! LOL :laugh:

Goody
02-10-2006, 11:34 PM
Darlie will still be my friend even if I think she is guilty. My colors don't run either and if I must say goodbye not knowing for sure it would be much worse. If I have to be there for Darlie, even if I'm her only non family supporter, not in her innocence or guilt but in her life. She deserves peace as well. Even if proven unconditionally guilty I would feel the need to be there for Mama Darlie and all the family, not just Darlie.
I commend you for your loyalty and do not hold it against you in any way. I think people who care about her should stand in support, but I don't think you should help her lie about what happened. If she did it, she did it. We can't bring the boys back now, but if there ever could be any justice for them, it would be in her telling what happened and exactly what role she played and what role Darin played. Once this appeal is decided, if her conviction is affirmed, there is no hope she won't be executed. Future appeals will be just going thru the motions. Once this appeal is done, she should tell the truth once and for all. If she wins a new trial, she should plead it down to life or maybe 30 years or so and turns state's evidence against Darin for whatever his role was. Perpetuating a fraud upon the public by claiming innocence falsely just piles more guilt and bad karma on top of the murders. It can't be good for anyone, and esp not for Darlie.



I don't think I can ever consolidate the idea of her killing her kids with the beautiful child who had a very big heart, the lovely woman who DOTED on her kids and seemed so happy with life in general.
You sound like you are describing Susan Smith.


The killer of those boys deserves punishment and I am not convinced 100% in the story being correct and complete that the prosecution used to put Darlie in jail. A lot of good forensics was done alot was not done at all and maybe with better advances in science now we might get some more answers. I am also being realistic here, Darlie's only hope is finding clues in the evidence collected. No amount of silly string, boats, cars or houses with hot tubs changes anything about Darlie IMO I never judged her on that level but I had to stand around and see her tried and slayed like a lamb at the altar of media interest. The horrible things said about her at trial were lies they painted a false image of Darlie. The Bad Darlie I descibed IS THE REAL DARLIE. Was she really that bad, did I make you think of her as a murderer, no way. Funniest and worst fault was her naivity, and what we always called her dumb. Read the definition of dumb and stupid it applies perfectly here she didn't know better because she didn't percieve things the way you do, or more like the jury of her peers percieved her.
Obviously. Anyone who thinks they can get away with murder has to be pretty naive or so lost in their own world, they can't see the forest for the trees.

O, just one thing more....few murders are ever solved so completely that there is no shadow of a doubt about guilt or innocence. Most are deductions made from a pile of circumstantial evidence, an estimate of what 2 +2 equals. (Only a few have actual direct evidence.) The catch phrase is "reasonable doubt." If your husband comes home wreaking of cheap perfume, it is "reasonable" to conclude he has been hanging around some barroom Rose. (Could be cousin Pauley's girlfriend, who knows?) If he has lipstick stains on his briefs,...well, that would eliminate reasonable doubt for most of us. If you want no doubt at all, you would almost have to be a witness to the crime.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-11-2006, 01:12 AM
I had the same observations.

Hmm. I beginning to wonder now if that is how Darlie's friends and family treat her, the "teasing" and put downs ... you know how some people almost bring it on themselves ... Anyway, maybe Darlie went along with all of it because of the center of attention thing. Except maybe Darin didn't treat her that way. Maybe that is the "connection" between Darlie and Darin. I'm mean how many people would learn bookkeeping from their husband. Most would end up fighting. Hmm. Ramblin on her but I'm started to see things a little different.
Don't kid me Darlie could be a silver tongued devil when she got old enough to join the womens circle at the table with her mother and her mothers friends. She teased plenty and was quick with a comeback. I never got my feelings truly hurt and she never did either. Some of it was hilarous, None of the close women friends was abusive to Darlie. Its probably the same stuff you do with your close friends. Darlie would tease us older women about gravity and such.
We would tease her about being young dumb and not really a true blonde. That wasn't they only conversations we had at the table, playing cards usually, but its the ones I remember most cause we were happy and we were ALL laughing. It was good times not bad. Thats what I mean about y'all reading into what I say what you want it to mean not what it really is. Haven't you ever been to a HEN PARTY-- I mean thats all it is in the beauty parlor in Steel Magnolias

Darlie never had a dark side in her childhood years, she could socialize with her own peers as well as older friends of the family. She was self assured enough to give and take in all relationships she had, her marriage, her friends, her parents friends. Her closest friends have always been her sisters. Her Mom was her best friend when she got older. Just like mine is to me now. She'll never lie to me, she's my mama.

txsvicki
02-11-2006, 03:30 AM
I am not, and doubt the others are, threatened by you. I think we are mystified. I have never spoken with anyone like you before.


Well, I live in Lubbock and have just about all of my life. I've spent many many hours at the mall and I have never once heard a joke about Darlie or even heard her name mentioned. Most people there wouldn't even know who she is at all. Lots of good stores and shops aren't even in the mall in this town. However, I have seen Sarilda at the mall several times. By the way, there is no fountain there any longer and no one really ever mentions Dirk West anymore either ( or cares) but it would really be something that would show up online in looking up the history of Lubbock since he was sort of famous like 20 years ago.

justice2
02-11-2006, 07:12 AM
Thanks Vicki for the Lubbock info. Though not from Lubbock I am "familiar" with Lubbock. I couldn't imagine the general public in Lubbock being interested in this case. I personally can't find anyone interested in this case or even know it exists (except of course the people I was working with in the metroplex at the time it happened).

I don't think Darlie's supports realize very few people are interested in her case.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-11-2006, 10:28 AM
I am very honest. I am not hiding anything. Saying the truth is one thing, acting cruel is another. I have taken an objective view of the evidence. I believe she killed her children and also believe Darin is involved. I have never said her house was decorated tacky. Read my posts before accusing me of such. I have said that without the make-up and the bleached hair, I think she is pretty. I am referring to the prison pictures. I asked for personal details in trying to understand why she did this horrid crime. I see that you have had little contact with her in her adult years. If you had, she and the boys would have known who you were when you were demonstrating the products at Sam's that day. You are the one reading something into our posts. Not the other way around. So far, you have not stated one thing that has been persuasive in changing my mind about her or Darin's guilt. If you came here to post not expecting to be challenged, you were wrong. We all challenge each other on details and ideas. We are here, still trying to find the truth. There are many details that do not fit into the puzzle. Many are here trying to figure out WHY she would do such a thing. I am one of them. I thought talking to someone that personally knew her would shine some light on that. I do not care that you thought she was dumb or that she slept on her side. Those details are useless and don't offer anything in the way of what I would call "personal" details. You say you don't want to discuss her "personal life". Fine. Then I guess we have little more to discuss since you haven't offered any facts that would have me change my mind about what happened to those poor innocent children.
You seem to think I'm mean to her. You seem to think being honest about her faults -the prosecution wasn't too honest about her faults, is mean.
Even someone who knew Darlie, distant and close knew the lies when they came out at trial. The family was not allowed in the courtroom as they would have to testify, so none was available to point out to Mulder that he needed to impeach this witness, here are the facts, do your job. It was after the fact when we read the transcripts of testimony.

I am not convinced 100% that Darlie is guilty, becauise I knew her, because the crime scene evidence doesn't pull all the pieces together like it should.
People do change and thats pointed out too. I don't have any clues from her past that would help you decide, she was a normal child, a normal teen, a normal adult.

I can barelly hook up to the internet, someone had to tell me how to quote here, so some of my comments are not directed directly at you but previous posts. I only have a little time to post between work and my own life. I know I have quoted the wrong poster in a previous post so let me apoligize if you didn't read some of the posts on top of yours I just went to the bottom thread and quoted the last poster ,who happened to be you.

Goody
02-11-2006, 05:07 PM
You seem to think I'm mean to her. You seem to think being honest about her faults -the prosecution wasn't too honest about her faults, is mean.
Even someone who knew Darlie, distant and close knew the lies when they came out at trial. The family was not allowed in the courtroom as they would have to testify, so none was available to point out to Mulder that he needed to impeach this witness, here are the facts, do your job. It was after the fact when we read the transcripts of testimony.


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Why don't you tell us what the prosecution lied about in regards to Darlie and who she was/is?

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-11-2006, 07:59 PM
Well, I live in Lubbock and have just about all of my life. I've spent many many hours at the mall and I have never once heard a joke about Darlie or even heard her name mentioned. Most people there wouldn't even know who she is at all. Lots of good stores and shops aren't even in the mall in this town. However, I have seen Sarilda at the mall several times. By the way, there is no fountain there any longer and no one really ever mentions Dirk West anymore either ( or cares) but it would really be something that would show up online in looking up the history of Lubbock since he was sort of famous like 20 years ago.
Honey I grew up on Dirk West. I went to school here and Lubbock only had 4 TV STATIONS,5, 11,13,28. And to get 28 you had to install an aerial antenna. There was nothing past 50th the mall didn't exist and where the car dealerships now on the west loop are was going out of the city limits.

I will not repeat the joke i overheard 2 punk kids at the old gaming store Challenge Games, say. That really would be cruel and mean.

I went to school, same class as Willie McCool the now dead pilot for the shuttle that literally blew up right in front of our eyes. That tells you how old I am.

beesy
02-11-2006, 08:22 PM
Honey I grew up on Dirk West. I went to school here and Lubbock only had 4 TV STATIONS,5, 11,13,28. And to get 28 you had to install an aerial antenna. There was nothing past 50th the mall didn't exist and where the car dealerships now on the west loop are was going out of the city limits.

I will not repeat the joke i overheard 2 punk kids at the old gaming store Challenge Games, say. That really would be cruel and mean.

I went to school, same class as Willie McCool the now dead pilot for the shuttle that literally blew up right in front of our eyes. That tells you how old I am. You're like Forest Gump. Connected to all the big events in history, you've done everything, seen everything, known everybody.
Dick Scobee was the commander of the Challenger, which is the shuttle that blew up right before our eyes. McCool was the commander of the Columbia, which blew up, but not right before our eyes. Or did you witness it? Do you work at NASA?
McCool graduated from HS in 1979. That is not old. No wonder you still look 16. If you were in his class, then Darlie was about 10 when you graduated. When did you babysit her? Did Darlie babysit for you when you were living in that hut? I don't think that would be Darlie's cup of tea.
Darlie Kee is much older than you if you graduated in '79, unless you were held back a few years. Darlie is 35 or 36 now. If Darle Kee graduated in '79, she would have been about 9 or so when she had Darlie, depending on your age differences. I'm just asking these things, not accusing you of lying, just asking because I understood you to be about the same age as Darlie Kee, you know, contemporaries. I guess I misunderstood

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-11-2006, 11:02 PM
Why don't you tell us what the prosecution lied about in regards to Darlie and who she was/is?
The silly string party is one example. Just like I said Darlie didn't percieve things the way you might think. She didn't think it inappropriate to have a memorial party for the boys. I have heard it described as "dancing on their graves".
To me this is Darlie in grief and one of the 1st steps denial.
She is having a hard time coping with the boys death and the party is a way for her to spend some time with them. I imagine if more time had passed before she was arrested she would have always lavished flowers on their graves. She was lost, without her 2 boys. She was going thru one of the 1 st stages of grief.DENIAL- she's still hanging on to earthly things like birthday parties for the boys, she knows they are in heaven but she can't let go.

If she was a cold blooded killer and self obsessed she would have shown up dressed to the nines with her hair big and lots of make up to hide that scar. Now thats she killed her boys she has more time for herself. Isn't that what they made her out to be. New clothes for the party, etc.
What does she wear- cut offs, hair limp in need of roots done, that was Darlie's little make up look at the grave, I've seen the tape she isn't a dressed up Darlie I've seen her wear more make up to go shopping.

Funeral:Many people have commented that music that was selected was inappropriate. Darlie did not provide the music nor did she pick it out. Her sister Dana did and has regretted it ever since. I don't care if these boys favorite song was Strawberry Roan by Marty Robbins, Or some heavy metal sound that makes your fillings fall out and the back of your neck hurt.

It was their favorite song. Kids change like the wind so hold on to those little ones a little tighter, they will change and grow so fast. Just like popular music every couple of months hits come and go. The song like most things kids like are a flavor of the month.

What do you mean, I lie for her. I haven't told you anything untrue about her or myself and everything else is just an opinon that can change. I feel bullied by that post. I ask why a poster felt threatened because calling me MEAN AND CRUEL, for telling the truth is an attack, people tend to attack when they feel threatened.

Being honest about Darlie means admitting her faults she is human too. In fact she looks pretty innocent to me knowing her and how she reacted to the situation. Seems like normal Darlie.

I have in no way described myself in glowing terms, I do not put Darlie down, I simply put all the information out there the fact that anyone sees it as anything else is why Darlie got convicted in the 1st place. The enertainment value it made for people to hate on someone else, to find easy answers and get this "Mother Killer" behind bars.

The testimony of Basia, and Barbara, could have been impeached, That lady was a nut I heard. I heard she and her daughter tried to throw a baby out the window of a moving car. I think thats in MTJD She is at least an attempted child killer and should be prosecuted if she really did it.

The media attention to the case was watched by myself and witnessed across America. A fight outside the courtroom occured with the prosecution calling the defendants family trailor trash. I can't imagine a lawyer involved in a Death Penalty case being so badly behaved. I expected better- didn't he realize that because the family was outside the courtroom it would only be after it was over that they would be able to see the forensic evidence. You see I think if he had handled it better and the forensics had been the majority of the trial then all this would be over. No one could say Darlie was hung by Silly String. THE JURY VIEWED IT 6 TIMES AND HE PROTRAYED IT AS DANCING ON THEIR GRAVES. He didn't have to go there if the forensics proved it. He could made his case less emotionally charged in compassion for the boys and the surviving family, they didn't kill them. They would want to know and if he could have convinced them with stong evidence Mama Darlie wouldn't be a thorn in his side right now. He could have gotton a stronger conviction with less controversy had he relied upon his experts, the blood evidence that is available looks pretty bad for Darlie. Why didn't he, is what makes me suspicious, did they ignore clues because Darlie presented herself so easily to their rifle sights, or was the same old story these tests costs so much and so does a trial the budget is only ........ I hate that that even occurs in police work.

There was a pube found at the crime scene! Considering Darlie's obsessive vacumming habits a pube is a pretty good find, Yes she reports her panties missing so it could be hers or someone elses.
I mean come on a pube is pretty convincing evidence that whom ever it belongs to well at least their ass was there.

No doubt about it part of them could be hanging out the window with Skin Head, CRACK SMOKIN, Circus Clowns wearing Bugle Boy jeans and carrying 2x4s. HEY WE GOT A DESCIPTION ISSUE AN APB.
The owner of the pube is ............... we got ya, your ass was there!

The prosecution didn't answer this question for me so Thats why I find myself sitting on the fence. Not sure that she really did it and still looking for clues. The clues I'm looking for are in the crime scene evidence. A lot of stuff got tested but I think if it didn't point DIRECTLY to Darlie is was ignored. One of the theories put forth here and by others was this was more a a single person crime. That could mean Darlie's intruders, an accomplice to Darlie, Darin and Darlie together, Darin with an accomplice. If this is possible to people who look at this crime and think Darlie did it but with help then why didn't the police see this too, hold off a little and nail 2 instead of one.

What happened to the jeans Darin was wearing, was the blood tested? why was he not a equal suspect to Darlie.

Susan Smith killed her kids in a way that allowed her to remove her self or detach herself from them. She only pushed the car into the water the drowning is what killed them. This doesn't remove her from culpability it just allowed her in her head to remove herself from her kids long enough to kill them.Killing with a knife is rare in Mother/Child killings and those that have done it have confessed and many had extreme drug problems, broken marriages, history of mental illness etc.It is very rare and seen more in women of different racial, and socio-economic backgrounds than Darlie.

Susan Smith confessed after police pressure, Darlie still to this day contends she is innocent, she saw someone in the house and that person killed her boys. Susan Smith was a single mother with out the family network of support both Darlie and Darin had. Darlie's case isn't really like any other case out there. It really is hard to compare it to any other case too. Darlie's case is an anomally . It is very different than any mother/child killing I have looked into.

The arguments for guilt as made by goody and beesy are exactly the type of questions that I want answered and they have been answering them. I'm leaning their way despite my doubts about her guilt. I'm still looking at everything and would appreciate a more though exam by experts cause none of us are. The questions of cast off, and other interpretations of the blood evidence. Goody has posted and so has beesy some great links to how crime scene evidence is interpreted. I intend to study them more.

deanws
02-11-2006, 11:05 PM
The silly string party is a moot point. She didn't even bring the stuff. Dana did. I don't think anyone here puts very much, if any weight on that party.:twocents:

deanws
02-11-2006, 11:34 PM
Jane, no one here feels threatened by you. You have a much inflated opinion of yourself to think ANY of us feel threatened of you. It may be more along the lines of us not exactly BELIEVEING you. I do not for one second believe that crap of you ordering tests. It doesn't happen. Staff KNOW who their doctors are and they don't scream for tests. They order them and sign forms. While I don't believe the lawyer should have called them trailer trash...they DID behave that way. I would actually call it poor white trash. I don't feel it is right to put down individuals who live in trailers. As far as the pube hair? That is not unusual. Like others have stated.....that could have been brought in by the children's shoes or any number of ways. I think the issue of the panties missing is another lie. You don't sleep through someone getting your panties off. Darlie had a shapely little bottom and she would have had to lift her hips off the couch for them to be taken off. If they had been ripped off, then you would see red marks around her bottom hips. I am sure Darlie would have brought that to the policeman's attention when they were taking pictures. I believe the reason Darin was spared is because he didn't have a shirt on .......making the cast off blood not as noticeable, and he kept his lies straight. The jeans have never been tested. I think Darlie's lawyer is trying to make them test them. Darlie hung herself....every time she opened her mouth. She could NEVER keep anything straight. For some reason you think we can't read. That is the only reason I can think of because you keep saying the jury convicted her on her personality and what she did at the graves, funeral, ect, and not on evidence. Read the trial transcripts and study the blood evidence. That my dear, are the only things that convicted her....and of course, her lies that didn't fit the crime scene. JMO of course.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-12-2006, 12:19 AM
[QUOTE=beesy] You're like Forest Gump. Connected to all the big events in history, you've done everything, seen everything, known everybody.
Dick Scobee was the commander of the Challenger, which is the shuttle that blew up right before our eyes. McCool was the commander of the Columbia, which blew up, but not right before our eyes. Or did you witness it? Do you work at NASA?
McCool graduated from HS in 1979. That is not old. No wonder you still look 16. If you were in his class, then Darlie was about 10 when you graduated. When did you babysit her? Did Darlie babysit for you when you were living in that hut? I don't think that would be Darlie's cup of tea.
Darlie Kee is much older than you if you graduated in '79, unless you were held back a few years. Darlie is 35 or 36 now. If Darle Kee graduated in '79, she would have been about 9 or so when she had Darlie, depending on your age differences. I'm just asking these things, not accusing you of lying, just asking because I understood you to be about the same age as Darlie Kee, you know, contemporaries. I guess I misunderstood[/QUOTe

The shuttle burned up upon rentry over TEXAS. OUR CLASS FLAG WILLIE TOOK WITH HIM WAS FOUND . I am sorry I said exploded instead of burned up. The wreckage from the shuttle was scattered across Texas and CNN showed footage of the shuttle burning up. I guess you never saw it. I was in my front yard and it made me SICK. I referred to him only because it gives you a hint to my age.

I never listed all the really famous people, relatives of famous people, I know or went to school with, so if I had wanted to brag and self impote you would know it. They are in our yearbook. I also know a who's whos list of murdering idiots, that I've met in my life. Helped solve some murders too. Know some good DA s and bad ones too.

HERE IS WHERE I BRAG AND SELF IMPOTE

But if you want to know what make me the proudest and what I consider something to BRAG about, of all my accomplshments in life. I have raised 3 beautiful intelligent kids who are going to make a difference in this world. They have talents way beyond average people and I know they can do anything they set their minds to.

I was 17 when I met Darlie Kee, she is, along with another woman, the closest female friends, outside of family, I'll ever have.They are like sisters to me. Darlie was a newlywed 2nd time, when I met her. My husband is who introduced us. I have been married to him since 78. Darlie Kee, Darlie Lynn
the other woman friend and her daughter who was close to Darlie growing up came to my wedding.
Been EVERYWHERE: This I had to just laugh and hold my sides about. I have been no where remember every kid in Lubbock only wants to get out of Lubbock (most go to Austin). We ended up right back here. I spent some time in Mexico because the little town where I was born is on the border. My grandparents continued to live there even though we- my parents sister, then little sister, got to Lubbock as quick as we could when I was 2. Spent my summers at grandmas, on the horse farm and delinting plant. They had a water tower for the whole town , does being there count for bragging.LOL.LOL.LOL.



I lived for sometime in New Mexico and no Darlie wasn't around to babysit for me then, Making fun of someone for having hard times so bad they lived in a hut is quite telling of your character. Perhaps you should look closer at yourself before you pass judgement on others I don't think you meant to look so shallow but it looks that way to me. Or maybe I should rephrase that it feels that way to me.

Our family vacations have always centered around camping, fishing, enjoying the outdoors. We have almost always roughed it in a tent. So another LOL LOL LOL WORLD TRAVELS-My only point in bringing it up is most people who aren't very outdoorsy-like Darlie would be real scweemish when it came to wielding a knife in any situation. I guess I just expected my hat to tell you I was a NATURE GIRL. Earth Mother type, Outdoorsy and very different than Darlie. So know, you could have just asked without being tacky. My two best friends, besides my mom, are older women than me, I'm 44 going on 44magnum. I'm not ready for the red hat society but the other day my mother and I were talking and I referred to it as the purple hat society she looked long and hard at me and said your sometimers is kicking in but you aren't old enough yet to join. I already wear bifocals and have always preferred the comapny of older women as friends.My daughter is now my best friend as she as grown up gotton married and wants to start her own family. I was raised that way obviously, to seek out the company of older wiser women. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Darlie was in high school when she babysat for me, we moved back to Lubbock, I was in high school when I babysat her. She kept 3 children ages 5, 2, 1. girl, boy, boy. I didn't work so she kept them for us when we played cards at her parents house, when I had surgery, when I went back to the hospital 4 months later, several times for me just a get a break and go shopping with her mom and our mutual friend. in fact after she and Darin started dating I think he and her kept the kids for MR R and I so we could go out for our anniversary. I didn't work so she wasn't full time child care she was still in high school. My kids had babysitters they didn't like and some they did- Darlie was their favorite.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-12-2006, 01:27 AM
It is obvious to me that you have very closed minds as to any possibility that Darlie is innocent.
You have 1 swipe--- good but 1 is explainable as accidental, 2 is damnable ,good police work. We are talking about a conviction based on SOLID evidence.
You have a knife impression on the carpet .
You have a witness who can't remember or can't tell the same story twice.

Ah witness:
Traumatized or self inflicted, If she is guilty she had to have snapped because nothing in her character or personality I ever saw would indicate this level of extreme personal violence. All the head shrinks say she is OK not schizophenic, not split personality, no indications of any disorders.?????? How can this be????

The jury is the one that stated they viewed the tape nine times, sorry I previously said six times and it was the tapes that made up their minds not just the crime scene evidence. The crime scene evidence left them some doubts just like it does us, they put 2+1 together and came up with 4 . Maybe they thought it lacked substance too.
One of the jurors on Darlie's home site has told what went on the jury room. There wasn't a lot of good police work done in this case IMO.

I don't want to blame the police I know how hard it is for them really. I know what kind of obstacles stand in their way. I wasn't blaming Waddel either when I said he just stood there. His primary job is to protect and serve. I think I'd want someone standing guard over me. I heard he got sick in the bathroom too. It would have made me sick, so if he did I don't blame him for that either. Just don't blame Darlie for seeing the police and paramedics as her knights in shining armor, IMO she just gave up cause help had arrived and these are the people to catch the killers and save her babies.

Had they explored the other avenues and said hey people are reporting slashed screens 5 blocks away, a neighbor says 2 men tried to break in same night, another neighbor says a suspious black car was seen. if they had explored those avenues they might have come up with a different answer.

The crime scene evidence that has been presented here in this forum is not the complete picture it is only a small part of it. They don't have enough edge pieces and darn sure not enough of the center pieces joining one piece of the crime to another piece of the crime. It doesn't tie all the elements together.
How did Darlie who is bleeding and bleeding enough to leave knife impressions in the carpet plant the sock and not leave any blood either. If the perp had to leave a trail leaving the house why doesn't Darlie. The Darlie site says bloody footprints can be seen in the garage leaving the house.
Why do you insist there could not be two knives, The size and widths of the knife wounds are different on Devon and Damon. This is a reasonable conclusion especially considering that they had one knife already to compare both boys wounds with.

deanws
02-12-2006, 01:40 AM
[QUOTE=beesy] You're like Forest Gump. Connected to all the big events in history, you've done everything, seen everything, known everybody.
Dick Scobee was the commander of the Challenger, which is the shuttle that blew up right before our eyes. McCool was the commander of the Columbia, which blew up, but not right before our eyes. Or did you witness it? Do you work at NASA?
McCool graduated from HS in 1979. That is not old. No wonder you still look 16. If you were in his class, then Darlie was about 10 when you graduated. When did you babysit her? Did Darlie babysit for you when you were living in that hut? I don't think that would be Darlie's cup of tea.
Darlie Kee is much older than you if you graduated in '79, unless you were held back a few years. Darlie is 35 or 36 now. If Darle Kee graduated in '79, she would have been about 9 or so when she had Darlie, depending on your age differences. I'm just asking these things, not accusing you of lying, just asking because I understood you to be about the same age as Darlie Kee, you know, contemporaries. I guess I misunderstood[/QUOTe

The shuttle burned up upon rentry over TEXAS. OUR CLASS FLAG WILLIE TOOK WITH HIM WAS FOUND . I am sorry I said exploded instead of burned up. The wreckage from the shuttle was scattered across Texas and CNN showed footage of the shuttle burning up. I guess you never saw it. I was in my front yard and it made me SICK. I referred to him only because it gives you a hint to my age.

I never listed all the really famous people, relatives of famous people, I know or went to school with, so if I had wanted to brag and self impote you would know it. They are in our yearbook. I also know a who's whos list of murdering idiots, that I've met in my life. Helped solve some murders too. Know some good DA s and bad ones too.

HERE IS WHERE I BRAG AND SELF IMPOTE

But if you want to know what make me the proudest and what I consider something to BRAG about, of all my accomplshments in life. I have raised 3 beautiful intelligent kids who are going to make a difference in this world. They have talents way beyond average people and I know they can do anything they set their minds to.

I was 17 when I met Darlie Kee, she is, along with another woman, the closest female friends, outside of family, I'll ever have.They are like sisters to me. Darlie was a newlywed 2nd time, when I met her. My husband is who introduced us. I have been married to him since 78. Darlie Kee, Darlie Lynn
the other woman friend and her daughter who was close to Darlie growing up came to my wedding.
Been EVERYWHERE: This I had to just laugh and hold my sides about. I have been no where remember every kid in Lubbock only wants to get out of Lubbock (most go to Austin). We ended up right back here. I spent some time in Mexico because the little town where I was born is on the border. My grandparents continued to live there even though we- my parents sister, then little sister, got to Lubbock as quick as we could when I was 2. Spent my summers at grandmas, on the horse farm and delinting plant. They had a water tower for the whole town , does being there count for bragging.LOL.LOL.LOL.



I lived for sometime in New Mexico and no Darlie wasn't around to babysit for me then, Making fun of someone for having hard times so bad they lived in a hut is quite telling of your character. Perhaps you should look closer at yourself before you pass judgement on others I don't think you meant to look so shallow but it looks that way to me. Or maybe I should rephrase that it feels that way to me.

Our family vacations have always centered around camping, fishing, enjoying the outdoors. We have almost always roughed it in a tent. So another LOL LOL LOL WORLD TRAVELS-My only point in bringing it up is most people who aren't very outdoorsy-like Darlie would be real scweemish when it came to wielding a knife in any situation. I guess I just expected my hat to tell you I was a NATURE GIRL. Earth Mother type, Outdoorsy and very different than Darlie. So know, you could have just asked without being tacky. My two best friends, besides my mom, are older women than me, I'm 44 going on 44magnum. I'm not ready for the red hat society but the other day my mother and I were talking and I referred to it as the purple hat society she looked long and hard at me and said your sometimers is kicking in but you aren't old enough yet to join. I already wear bifocals and have always preferred the comapny of older women as friends.My daughter is now my best friend as she as grown up gotton married and wants to start her own family. I was raised that way obviously, to seek out the company of older wiser women. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Darlie was in high school when she babysat for me, we moved back to Lubbock, I was in high school when I babysat her. She kept 3 children ages 5, 2, 1. girl, boy, boy. I didn't work so she kept them for us when we played cards at her parents house, when I had surgery, when I went back to the hospital 4 months later, several times for me just a get a break and go shopping with her mom and our mutual friend. in fact after she and Darin started dating I think he and her kept the kids for MR R and I so we could go out for our anniversary. I didn't work so she wasn't full time child care she was still in high school. My kids had babysitters they didn't like and some they did- Darlie was their favorite.No Jane! The Challenger DID NOT burn up upon re-entry!!!!! The Challenger NEVER GOT INTO SPACE. The Challenger experienced O-ring failure 73 SECONDS after LIFTOFF! The shuttle's tank tore apart, spilling liquid oxygen and hydrogen which formed a huge fireball.The Challenger itself was tore apart as it was flung free of the other rocket components. It blew/tore apart in pieces just a few miles from the launching place. No flag was found! Do you think we are stupid? If you are going to :liar: at least get your facts straight. There is NO WAY you could have seen it from Lubbock Texas! HINT: Try Florida! There were small debris scattered over Texas...but not large pieces...and certainly nothing like a whole flag. Most of the bigger pieces landed in the ocean.
The cabin hit the water at a speed greater than 200 mph, resulting in a force of about 200 Gs crushing the structure and destroying everything inside.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/01/28/challenger.at.20.ap/

beesy
02-12-2006, 02:02 AM
The silly string party is one example. Just like I said Darlie didn't percieve things the way you might think. She didn't think it inappropriate to have a memorial party for the boys. I have heard it described as "dancing on their graves"The prosecution did not say anything like that. They did not have to. She wasn't dancing, but she was skipping around. You're analyzing how Darlie felt. She doesn't even say she was in denial. She says there was nothing wrong with it. You cannot put words in her mouth. I don't care how well you know her. You show me one place where the prosecution called it "dancing on her grave". If it was not said in trial, it doesn't matter. If 20/20 said it, it didn't do a thing for the verdict. That is what you can't seem to get. It doesn't matter if that tape disgusts me. I wasn't on the jury. So it was played, big deal. It wasn't staged. It happened. Go ahead and quote the transcripts for me.

She is having a hard time coping with the boys death and the party is a way for her to spend some time with them. I imagine if more time had passed before she was arrested she would have always lavished flowers on their graves. She was lost, without her 2 boys. She was going thru one of the 1 st stages of grief.DENIAL- she's still hanging on to earthly things like birthday parties for the boys, she knows they are in heaven but she can't let goI'm sure you are aware that the boys do not have a stone marker, just a little metal thing. But you know that. I'm sure you've been there.

If she was a cold blooded killer and self obsessed she would have shown up dressed to the nines with her hair big and lots of make up to hide that scar. Now thats she killed her boys she has more time for herself. Isn't that what they made her out to be. New clothes for the party, etc.
What does she wear- cut offs, hair limp in need of roots done, that was Darlie's little make up look at the grave, I've seen the tape she isn't a dressed up Darlie I've seen her wear more make up to go shoppingI wear makeup to go shopping. Of course I don't look like Darlie. Darlie looks the prettiest in that tape and then also that time in court where her hair is just pulled back and her face is all clean and fresh. I think she's very pretty there. By the way, Darlie has a perfect manicure in that tape. It's fresh because the photos taken in the police station show her with short nails.

Funeral:Many people have commented that music that was selected was inappropriate. Darlie did not provide the music nor did she pick it out. Her sister Dana did and has regretted it ever since. I don't care if these boys favorite song was Strawberry Roan by Marty Robbins, Or some heavy metal sound that makes your fillings fall out and the back of your neck hurtActually Darlie told her family that they would need to play that song. She said it the day after the murders.

The testimony of Basia, and Barbara, could have been impeached, That lady was a nut I heard. I heard she and her daughter tried to throw a baby out the window of a moving car. I think thats in MTJD She is at least an attempted child killer and should be prosecuted if she really did it That is a horrible thing to say! MTJD is full of lies, which can be proven to be lies! You should be ashamed of yourself.

The media attention to the case was watched by myself and witnessed across America. A fight outside the courtroom occured with the prosecution calling the defendants family trailor trash. I can't imagine a lawyer involved in a Death Penalty case being so badly behaved. I expected better- didn't he realize that because the family was outside the courtroom it would only be after it was over that they would be able to see the forensic evidence. You see I think if he had handled it better and the forensics had been the majority of the trial then all this would be over That was not the prosecution, it certainly was not Toby. I believe it was an investigator, but he was not part of the actual trial. And honey, it was not seen by the jury. He called them "white trash" and Darlie Kee was interupting everything he said. She was hollering at him and calling him a liar during the interview. I don't blame him for getting pissy.

No one could say Darlie was hung by Silly String. THE JURY VIEWED IT 6 TIMES AND HE PROTRAYED IT AS DANCING ON THEIR GRAVES. He didn't have to go there if the forensics proved it. He could made his case less emotionally charged in compassion for the boys and the surviving family, they didn't kill them. They would want to know and if he could have convinced them with stong evidence Mama Darlie wouldn't be a thorn in his side right now. He could have gotton a stronger conviction with less controversy had he relied upon his experts, the blood evidence that is available looks pretty bad for Darlie. Why didn't he, is what makes me suspicious, did they ignore clues because Darlie presented herself so easily to their rifle sights, or was the same old story these tests costs so much and so does a trial the budget is only ........ I hate that that even occurs in police workAgain, show me where the prosecution states that she was dancing on their graves in the trial transcripts. I'd like you to find the place in the transcripts which says the jury viewed it 6 times. If they did, why is that a big deal? I'm sure they looked at everything else more than once as well. The family wasn't even allowed in the court room for most of the trial because they were testifying. They stood outside singing hymns and quoting bible passages. They created the carnival atmosphere

There was a pube found at the crime scene! Considering Darlie's obsessive vacumming habits a pube is a pretty good find, Yes she reports her panties missing so it could be hers or someone elses.
I mean come on a pube is pretty convincing evidence that whom ever it belongs to well at least their ass was thereAs far as I know every single person that had ever been in that house was not tested for pubic hair. Was the hair found on Darlie's body? Was it found on the knife? Was it found on the clothing? Was it found on the sofa? Was it found on the boys? Was it found on any of the towels? Do you even know where it was found? Think about the cops and medics who walked around that house and remember that they use public restrooms and could have easily tracked it in. It could have been there before. I don't care how much somebody vaccums. She didn't crawl around on the floor with tweezers.

No doubt about it part of them could be hanging out the window with Skin Head, CRACK SMOKIN, Circus Clowns wearing Bugle Boy jeans and carrying 2x4s. HEY WE GOT A DESCIPTION ISSUE AN APB.
The owner of the pube is ............... we got ya, your ass was there!What are you talking about? So the cops are supposed to issue an APB for clowns? They had no description. She said "someone". That was her description at first. The black car was mentioned and a black car was stopped with 4 people in it. They were checked and questioned and there was nothing to it. The Garland K-9 unit was called out that night and they found nothing.

The prosecution didn't answer this question for me so Thats why I find myself sitting on the fence. Not sure that she really did it and still looking for clues. The clues I'm looking for are in the crime scene evidence. A lot of stuff got tested but I think if it didn't point DIRECTLY to Darlie is was ignored. One of the theories put forth here and by others was this was more a a single person crime. That could mean Darlie's intruders, an accomplice to Darlie, Darin and Darlie together, Darin with an accomplice. If this is possible to people who look at this crime and think Darlie did it but with help then why didn't the police see this too, hold off a little and nail 2 instead of one. If evidence points directly to Darlie, then Darlie did it. You don't need 1,000 things. What was ignored? This lone pubic hair? Then her defense should have investigated and found the owner. LE found the killer. Its up to her to prove they are wrong. It's not up to them. She's had nearly 10 years to find something more than a pubic hair and some smudged fingerprints. The Tim Hennis case comes to mind here. He was put on DR for circumstantial evidence. There was not one piece of forensic evidence against him. But his defense team worked for hours and hours and hours and was able to find an explanation for every single piece of evidence brought up at the trial. He was granted a new trial and was released. If something were there, it would have turned up by now!
[QUOTE]What happened to the jeans Darin was wearing, was the blood tested? why was he not a equal suspect to Darlie
Darin covered his butt by saying he was near both of the boys and Darlie. There was no spatter or anything which stood out on his jeans. He's lucky he was shirtless though. IMO

The arguments for guilt as made by goody and beesy are exactly the type of questions that I want answered and they have been answering them. I'm leaning their way despite my doubts about her guilt. I'm still looking at everything and would appreciate a more though exam by experts cause none of us are. The questions of cast off, and other interpretations of the blood evidence. Goody has posted and so has beesy some great links to how crime scene evidence is interpreted. I intend to study them more. I hope you do study it more. I think everybody on here has answered your questions with answers that make alot of sense

beesy
02-12-2006, 02:14 AM
The shuttle burned up upon rentry over TEXAS. OUR CLASS FLAG WILLIE TOOK WITH HIM WAS FOUND . I am sorry I said exploded instead of burned up. The wreckage from the shuttle was scattered across Texas and CNN showed footage of the shuttle burning up. I guess you never saw it. I was in my front yard and it made me SICK. I referred to him only because it gives you a hint to my age. Of course I saw it on the news. I know the wreckage was scattered everywhere and people even heard it. My good friend lived in Garland and she heard it. You said exploded though and I was correcting you. It started burning over reentry over CA, not TX.

Been EVERYWHERE: This I had to just laugh and hold my sides about. I have been no where remember every kid in Lubbock only wants to get out of Lubbock (most go to Austin). We ended up right back here. I spent some time in Mexico because the little town where I was born is on the border. My grandparents continued to live there even though we- my parents sister, then little sister, got to Lubbock as quick as we could when I was 2. Spent my summers at grandmas, on the horse farm and delinting plant. They had a water tower for the whole town , does being there count for bragging.LOL.LOL.LOL.Tongue in check love.

I lived for sometime in New Mexico and no Darlie wasn't around to babysit for me then, Making fun of someone for having hard times so bad they lived in a hut is quite telling of your character. Perhaps you should look closer at yourself before you pass judgement on others I don't think you meant to look so shallow but it looks that way to me. Or maybe I should rephrase that it feels that way to meI'm not making fun. I'm sorry I've just never been around anybody like you. I've never heard of anybody from my generation living in a hut. I thought you were 80 or something.

txsvicki
02-12-2006, 03:07 AM
Honey I grew up on Dirk West. I went to school here and Lubbock only had 4 TV STATIONS,5, 11,13,28. And to get 28 you had to install an aerial antenna. There was nothing past 50th the mall didn't exist and where the car dealerships now on the west loop are was going out of the city limits.

I will not repeat the joke i overheard 2 punk kids at the old gaming store Challenge Games, say. That really would be cruel and mean.

I went to school, same class as Willie McCool the now dead pilot for the shuttle that literally blew up right in front of our eyes. That tells you how old I am.


Actually everyone had to have an aerial antennae 35 years ago, and to get channel 28 and (there was a channel 34 also added many many years ago) UHF, one of those little circle antennaes had to be hooked up on the back of the television. All this was years and years ago. The mall was built around the late 70's but no one would make jokes about or even know Darlie now. Houses and neighborhoods sprang up South of town as far back as 30 years ago. I know because I was looking at some of them back then. I just think it is odd to mention things that were going on in Lubbock 35 years ago instead of now and don't know how it really applies to Darlie.

deanws
02-12-2006, 03:10 AM
Actually everyone had to have an aerial antennae 35 years ago, and to get channel 28 and (there was a channel 34 also added many many years ago) UHF, one of those little circle antennaes had to be hooked up on the back of the television. All this was years and years ago. The mall was built around the late 70's but no one would make jokes about or even know Darlie now. Houses and neighborhoods sprang up South of town as far back as 30 years ago. I know because I was looking at some of them back then. I just think it is odd to mention things that were going on in Lubbock 35 years ago instead of now and don't know how it really applies to Darlie.You noticed that too!?! LOL. Reading my mind again Tx. :D

beesy
02-12-2006, 03:46 AM
[QUOTE]It is obvious to me that you have very closed minds as to any possibility that Darlie is innocent.
You have 1 swipe--- good but 1 is explainable as accidental, 2 is damnable ,good police work. We are talking about a conviction based on SOLID evidence.
You have a knife impression on the carpet .
You have a witness who can't remember or can't tell the same story twice.Are you addressing me? I have told you numerous times that I had trouble realizing Darlie's guilt. I have been everything but close minded. Goody as well. One swipe? There's more than one. All you need is one. There should be NO cleaned up blood at all. NONE! There was cleaned up blood from the floor, in the sink, on the counter. There shouldn't be any. How can somebody accidently clean up blood? It's sort of like being a little bit pregnant.
And the knife impression. How many impressions do you need? Darlie's blood is in places it should not be. You forgot about the cast-off. The lack of wet towels. The timeline. Damon would not still be alive if he had been stabbed by an intruder and left to die. He only lived about 8 mins after the fatal wound. You easily burn up 3 and 1/2 waiting for Waddel.
How long was the intruder attacking Darlie? How long was it before Darlie was attacked after Damon was?
How long was it before she called 911? You can't dismiss her entire story, you know. She got up, followed the man into the kitchen, turned back to turn on the light, picked up the knife, put it on the counter, went back into the family room, screamed "Devon". Ran to meet Darin in the entryway, ran back into the kitchen and grabbed the phone. Darin confirms this last part. Your 8 mins is all gone. . He was still alive when the medics got to him. Darlie stayed on the phone 5:39. She was off the phone when they came in. You know it was a few mins before the medics were allowed in. Even if we say it was 1 min. The time is long gone.


The jury is the one that stated they viewed the tape nine times, sorry I previously said six times and it was the tapes that made up their minds not just the crime scene evidence. The crime scene evidence left them some doubts just like it does us, they put 2+1 together and came up with 4 . Maybe they thought it lacked substance too It was not the tape! Please tell me where you saw that it was viewed 9 times. On Darlie's site? Everybody else can lie, but this lone juror is telling the truth? How do you know that?

One of the jurors on Darlie's home site has told what went on the jury room. There wasn't a lot of good police work done in this case IMO.
How about if Darlie had been found not guilty on this exact same evidence. Would you think there was good police work then? Yes, you would.

I don't want to blame the police I know how hard it is for them really. I know what kind of obstacles stand in their way. I wasn't blaming Waddel either when I said he just stood there. His primary job is to protect and serve. I think I'd want someone standing guard over me. I heard he got sick in the bathroom too. It would have made me sick, so if he did I don't blame him for that either. Just don't blame Darlie for seeing the police and paramedics as her knights in shining armor, IMO she just gave up cause help had arrived and these are the people to catch the killers and save her babies.
Had they explored the other avenues and said hey people are reporting slashed screens 5 blocks away, a neighbor says 2 men tried to break in same night, another neighbor says a suspious black car was seen. if they had explored those avenues they might have come up with a different answer
The questions that go unanswered are things like why, did Darin help, how long did it take, things like that. Not did she do it?
Please think about that lady's story. She is home alone, catches 2 men trying to get into her house and she doesn't call the police? Instead she waits up for her husband to come home from work. What would you do if you saw and she says she saw them, that she got a good look at them, someone at your window doing that? Wait up for hubby? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't know why that woman would say that, but I cannot believe that it is true. I already told you about the black car. It was looked into.
What about the bread knife? If you can give me a good explantion for it besides there wasn't enough to test, please do so.

The crime scene evidence that has been presented here in this forum is not the complete picture it is only a small part of it. They don't have enough edge pieces and darn sure not enough of the center pieces joining one piece of the crime to another piece of the crime. It doesn't tie all the elements together.
How did Darlie who is bleeding and bleeding enough to leave knife impressions in the carpet plant the sock and not leave any blood either. If the perp had to leave a trail leaving the house why doesn't Darlie. The Darlie site says bloody footprints can be seen in the garage leaving the house.
That is not true.
We've never said he had to leave a trail. If Darlie planted the sock, which I don't think she did. I think Darin did it and he was throwing it away, not planting it. Anyway, Darlie would have gone out the front door. It was quicker. Darlie was not trying to escape through an unfamiliar garage piled high with junk.

Why do you insist there could not be two knives, The size and widths of the knife wounds are different on Devon and Damon. This is a reasonable conclusion especially considering that they had one knife already to compare both boys wounds with.I trust the M.E. on that on. She doesn't interview witnesses or look at any other evidence. I'm sorry, but I believe her over you. I would never assume an M.E. was wrong or that I knew more than the experts

Goody
02-12-2006, 12:05 PM
The silly string party is one example. Just like I said Darlie didn't percieve things the way you might think. She didn't think it inappropriate to have a memorial party for the boys. I have heard it described as "dancing on their graves".
To me this is Darlie in grief and one of the 1st steps denial.
She is having a hard time coping with the boys death and the party is a way for her to spend some time with them. I imagine if more time had passed before she was arrested she would have always lavished flowers on their graves. She was lost, without her 2 boys.
O, bull, no one who has lost a child, esp one so suddenly, and even more esp one so brutally could possibly believe such nonsense. That girl was not in grieve mode as she sprayed silly string around. She was performing for the cameras because in some off balanced way she thought it would represent her well. Huge mistake, granted, but don't try to pee on our legs and tell us it is raining as Judge Judy's father used to say. Call a spade a spade. Darlie's friends try to tell us how sensitive she was but her behavior wreaks of detachment and insenstivity.

The prosecution did call it "dancing on their graves." That was their interpretation of what they saw. Hardly a lie because they honestly believed that is what she was doing. A lot of people did. I am inclined to think her actions were more about the cameras than the boys. The whole thing was prearranged. She knew they were there because she told them to be there for the interview she had promised them earlier in exchange for paying for the hotel bills for her out of town family.


She was going thru one of the 1 st stages of grief.DENIAL- she's still hanging on to earthly things like birthday parties for the boys, she knows they are in heaven but she can't let go.
No, she skipped over that one at the scene when she kept screaming my kids are dying and they are dead. When my son died, I couldn't even say the word "dead". (I was about Darlie's age, btw, and he was Devon's age.) No matter how badly a child is injured, parents don't automatically jump to the conclusion that they are gone. We expect medical people to perform miracles. Sorry, but there is no excuse under the sun that can explain away what she was doing that day or where her head was at.

What it does show is acceptance, the same acceptance shown on the night of the murders. Acceptance that was much, much too early. And that, my friend, indicates the parent has come to terms with the death BEFORE it happened.

But there is no need to focus on it because it does not play an important role in deciding guilt. It might be frosting on the cake for some, but it is not the deciding factor, that is for sure. Its value lies in AFTER guilt is decided, one can then analyze her actions for some insight into what might lie behind them. So it doesn't matter what the prosecutor said she was doing that day. Anyone over the age of 10 can see that for themselves.



If she was a cold blooded killer and self obsessed she would have shown up dressed to the nines with her hair big and lots of make up to hide that scar. Now thats she killed her boys she has more time for herself. Isn't that what they made her out to be. New clothes for the party, etc.
What does she wear- cut offs, hair limp in need of roots done, that was Darlie's little make up look at the grave, I've seen the tape she isn't a dressed up Darlie I've seen her wear more make up to go shopping.
Defendants and their supporters always jump to the he/she wouldn't do this or that; he/she is too smart or too dump to do this or that, etc. You can't predict what someone will or won't do. You can only judge them by what they do and occassionally but very carefully by what they don't do, esp if common sense dictates a certain probability. Whether someone would wear cutoffs or a designer outfit to the cemetery to perform for a local TV camera might seem an easy predictor to you, but it does nothing for me. Maybe she thought she looked sexy in the cutoffs. From Darlie's perspective that scar is a grim reminder that she too was a victim. I think it would be to her best advantage to flaunt it as much as possible, esp in light of the fact that the local media were shifting suspicion to her at the time the video was taken. As I recall local sentiment was not on her side. People calling into talk shows and such were weighing heavily against her, weren't they?


Funeral:Many people have commented that music that was selected was inappropriate. Darlie did not provide the music nor did she pick it out. Her sister Dana did and has regretted it ever since. I don't care if these boys favorite song was Strawberry Roan by Marty Robbins, Or some heavy metal sound that makes your fillings fall out and the back of your neck hurt.

It was their favorite song. Kids change like the wind so hold on to those little ones a little tighter, they will change and grow so fast. Just like popular music every couple of months hits come and go. The song like most things kids like are a flavor of the month.
Again, this is not compelling evidence that she is guilty and goes to nothing but to show her/their lack of feeling, which I suppose could go to show consciousness of guilt. I haven't spent much time at all on this song. I know young people are different today than they were 30 years ago, but I can't imagine letting my kids listen to something about death in the streets and gangsters at age 5 and 6, let alone play something like that at their funeral after they have been brutally murdered right in front of me. Maybe if I lived in the inner city and gang violence was a daily reality, but not out in the suburbs where their biggest worry was which designer jeans to wear.

However, I will admit my judgment at age 27 was not as sharp as it was in my 30s and 40s, so maybe they just lacked soemthing in that department period. Other than cause a little gasp, this didn't make much of an impression on me. I was more interested in the bottomline evidence, which focusing on the state's insults to the family, detracts seriously from what really points to guilt in this case.


What do you mean, I lie for her. I haven't told you anything untrue about her or myself and everything else is just an opinon that can change. I feel bullied by that post. I ask why a poster felt threatened because calling me MEAN AND CRUEL, for telling the truth is an attack, people tend to attack when they feel threatened.
I don't think this one addresses my post so I will move on. If it does, refresh my memory.


Being honest about Darlie means admitting her faults she is human too. In fact she looks pretty innocent to me knowing her and how she reacted to the situation. Seems like normal Darlie.
Maybe it is in some respects, but there are things we do as humans that uniquely bind us. Like dogs have certain reactions to certain events that are very similar all the while maintaining totally individual personalities, so do we. We are the same in some respects. We don't follow each other step by step like robots, but we do things that can fit into certain categories. When we are happy, we express it in some way. Some of us laugh heartily, some giggle, some smile, some just purse their lips a bit and blush but we can still see the happiness in their facial expressions, the way their eyes dance, etc. No one who is happy walks around grumbling and griping and scowling all the time. If I were to try to convince you that someone who did was really happy, that he just couldn't express it the same as everyone else, you would scoff at me. Why? Because we know the old grump probably has ulcers and lives a horribly lonely life as no one could stand to be around him.

Same goes with grief. The first stage of it is denial. We see it all the time when someone is told their loved one has died, they scream "No" and fall to the floor. Sometimes they go on and say, "But I just talked to him an hour ago. He was fine. This can't be true." Darlie took one look at her kids and just assumed they were either dead or dying. It did not appear to even enter her head that they might be saved. And there was Darin, never once telling her to apply pressure to Damon's wounds, or not to wet towels because with his first aid experience he KNEW not to wet towels. There was never any doubt in Darlie's mind that these boys were going to die. She didn't even ask about them at the hospital. If that is not acceptance, I don't know what is. Correct me if I am wrong, acceptance is the final stage of grief, is it not? That tells me that she spent some time in the weeks before this crime adjusting to the loss emotionally.


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The testimony of Basia, and Barbara, could have been impeached, That lady was a nut I heard. I heard she and her daughter tried to throw a baby out the window of a moving car. I think thats in MTJD She is at least an attempted child killer and should be prosecuted if she really did it.
You live in Texas. Why don't you get us the info on that? If it is true, there should be some kind of court action. That is public information if it is not in juvenile court system.


The media attention to the case was watched by myself and witnessed across America. A fight outside the courtroom occured with the prosecution calling the defendants family trailor trash. I can't imagine a lawyer involved in a Death Penalty case being so badly behaved. I expected better- didn't he realize that because the family was outside the courtroom it would only be after it was over that they would be able to see the forensic evidence. You see I think if he had handled it better and the forensics had been the majority of the trial then all this would be over. No one could say Darlie was hung by Silly String. THE JURY VIEWED IT 6 TIMES AND HE PROTRAYED IT AS DANCING ON THEIR GRAVES. He didn't have to go there if the forensics proved it. He could made his case less emotionally charged in compassion for the boys and the surviving family, they didn't kill them. They would want to know and if he could have convinced them with stong evidence Mama Darlie wouldn't be a thorn in his side right now. He could have gotton a stronger conviction with less controversy had he relied upon his experts, the blood evidence that is available looks pretty bad for Darlie. Why didn't he, is what makes me suspicious, did they ignore clues because Darlie presented herself so easily to their rifle sights, or was the same old story these tests costs so much and so does a trial the budget is only ........ I hate that that even occurs in police work.
I don't blame you or the family for being hurt by these things. It seems all court cases are laced with this type of stuff, and some of it probably isn't needed but it often comes in anyway. Most families feel just as you do that it is not fair or that it is misrepresented. But I think most juries are capable of forming their own opinions on it. Just recently they brought in the sexual experiences of Cody Posey to show he was not as naive and isolated as he claimed, but I don't think it had much of an impact on the jury. The bottomline for them was whether he committed cold blooded murder or not. The same here. If you get caught up on the emotional issues in this case, you will never be able to see the truth in it. It doesn't matter what kind of person Darlie was. It only matters if she committed the crime or not.

I have already decided her guilt so I feel I can move on to who she really was and what kind of mother she really was now. That is what I would like to hear about. If you know any of her friends who might want to email me or post here about that, I would love it. Just PM me and I will send you my email addy.

Goody
02-12-2006, 12:08 PM
There was a pube found at the crime scene! Considering Darlie's obsessive vacumming habits a pube is a pretty good find, Yes she reports her panties missing so it could be hers or someone elses.
I mean come on a pube is pretty convincing evidence that whom ever it belongs to well at least their ass was there.

No doubt about it part of them could be hanging out the window with Skin Head, CRACK SMOKIN, Circus Clowns wearing Bugle Boy jeans and carrying 2x4s. HEY WE GOT A DESCIPTION ISSUE AN APB.
The owner of the pube is ............... we got ya, your ass was there!
The pubic hair is one of the weakest pieces they found. It could have been tracked in by anyone. Shoot, Darin could have picked it up in the parking area of his shop and brought it home with him/ Hair is easy to transfer. Even if someone could be proven to be the intruder and Darlie is finally exonerated that pubic hair would likely never be identified to anyone. Every crime scene has evidence that cannot be linked to anyone or even to the crime. This is one of those things, imo.


The prosecution didn't answer this question for me so Thats why I find myself sitting on the fence. Not sure that she really did it and still looking for clues. The clues I'm looking for are in the crime scene evidence. A lot of stuff got tested but I think if it didn't point DIRECTLY to Darlie is was ignored. One of the theories put forth here and by others was this was more a a single person crime. That could mean Darlie's intruders, an accomplice to Darlie, Darin and Darlie together, Darin with an accomplice. If this is possible to people who look at this crime and think Darlie did it but with help then why didn't the police see this too, hold off a little and nail 2 instead of one.

What happened to the jeans Darin was wearing, was the blood tested? why was he not a equal suspect to Darlie.
Darin is not a suspect because what little crime scene evidence they had on him matched his story; Darlie's did not. However, that doesn't mean that the police do not believe in their heart of hearts that he was involved.


Susan Smith killed her kids in a way that allowed her to remove her self or detach herself from them. She only pushed the car into the water the drowning is what killed them. This doesn't remove her from culpability it just allowed her in her head to remove herself from her kids long enough to kill them.Killing with a knife is rare in Mother/Child killings and those that have done it have confessed and many had extreme drug problems, broken marriages, history of mental illness etc.It is very rare and seen more in women of different racial, and socio-economic backgrounds than Darlie.
Have you read Flowers in the Attic? It is a fictional piece, but does depict in an extreme way what happens when women go thru life altering events and how they can turn on even their own flesh and blood. I agree that Darlie's case is not as common as drownings or smotherings or poisonings between mother and child but I think that might be a clue that her motives were probably very different from most child murders committed by mom. The one thing she does have in common with Susan Smith though, imo, is that Susan was always known to be a very loving, hands on kind of mom. She took her parenting responsibilites seriously. Probably much more diligently than Darlie did as I suspect that Darlie's parenting skills were divided and not as hands on as some people might have thought.


Susan Smith confessed after police pressure, Darlie still to this day contends she is innocent, she saw someone in the house and that person killed her boys. Susan Smith was a single mother with out the family network of support both Darlie and Darin had. Darlie's case isn't really like any other case out there. It really is hard to compare it to any other case too. Darlie's case is an anomally . It is very different than any mother/child killing I have looked into.
Have you read the psychological report on the hypnosis Darlie underwent a couple of years ago. Maybe a little longer than that. She completely changes her story about what occurred on the couch.


The arguments for guilt as made by goody and beesy are exactly the type of questions that I want answered and they have been answering them. I'm leaning their way despite my doubts about her guilt. I'm still looking at everything and would appreciate a more though exam by experts cause none of us are. The questions of cast off, and other interpretations of the blood evidence. Goody has posted and so has beesy some great links to how crime scene evidence is interpreted. I intend to study them more.
Glad we are helping. Not that my intention is to change your mind. If anything, I only want to point out what I have learned. I have never studied any case as thoroughtly as this one and there is much on it that I still haven't studied.

SnootyVixen
02-12-2006, 12:23 PM
Rattlesnake, Goody speak with forked tongue. Actually all speak with forked tongue. They want all the personal info you can give them on Darlie and her family so they can add it to the fuel when they ridicule and write their know it all despicable posts about them. Please don't tell them a thing more. They are using you and they will such you dry and toss away the husk and move on. And also it's fun to keep them in the dark about so much that they want to know. So have a little fun. If you will send me your email by IM I will send you to a Darlie forum you will like better.
This bunch of people has been together for years now and all totally believe her to be guilty and so every newcomer only gets the guilty side when learning about the case. Sorry Beesy but you never had a chance at a balanced view. And this group seems to never get it's fill of posting to each other about what a horrible mother Darlie was, and what great mother's they are. What a vicious killer Darlie was and how they never would do something like that. How trampy Darlie looked and how lady like they all look. How ugly Darin is and how handsome their husbands are etc...etc...etc. I think you get the picture.
Except for Jeana. I do have to say this about Jeana. She's a nice person and she's actually a beautiful woman with nice kids and a hunka hunka hubby. But I think she's more convinced of Darlie's guilt because of her friendship with Toby Shook than her own reasoning. JMO though. Her I like.

But this ain't the place for you Rattlesnake.

justice2
02-12-2006, 12:36 PM
Have you read the psychological report on the hypnosis Darlie underwent a couple of years ago. Maybe a little longer than that. She completely changes her story about what occurred on the couch.
Goody, where would this be? Please.

SnootyVixen
02-12-2006, 12:36 PM
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Beesy here you are speaking of the question of were two knives used. And you say that you trust the ME. Do you actually know what it was that the ME concluded and testified to? It was that they could not determine whether two knives were used or not.

Also, you trust the word of the experts and ME's. Are you aware that the defense's expert ME was Dr. Vincent DiMaio, world renown forensic pathologist who writes the textbooks that are used to teach forensic pathologists? He is the ME for a different county in Texas and his father is or was (if he has retired) the ME for NYC. He testified that Darlie's wounds were defensive and that if he were doing an autopsy on her body he would have listed them and put in parenthesis beside them (defensive). But all on this board choose to throw away this very learned man's opinions because they are for the defense. Never mind that the prosecution uses him all the time but they didn't hire him in time. So the prosecution thinks well of him. He has tremendous years of experience and the ME's who did the autopsies on the little ones had only a very few years. They choose to believe that this very prominant man is basically just a trial whore who can be bought for the highest price. I find that shameful.

SnootyVixen
02-12-2006, 12:52 PM
[QUOTE=beesyAnd the knife impression. How many impressions do you need? Darlie's blood is in places it should not be. You forgot about the cast-off. The lack of wet towels.

Beesy, this is something that I would appreciate an answer for. How do you know that the towels were not wet? This is what I know about the towels. If you know more please say so. I know that about 26 were collected into evidence although all were not tested. I know that even with that more were left behind. I know that when questioned on the witness stand James Cron said that the towels were bloody. I know that the criminologist did not get around to testing them for quite a few days. Long past the time they would have needed to dry out. In fact I think that with bloody things they deliberately hang them up or lay them out somewhere as they want them to be dry. SO HOW IS IT THAT YOU AND THE REST OF THE BUNCH ARE SO VERY SURE THAT THESE TOWELS WERE NEVER WET? Some could have been dry and some wet, especially with the large number of towels involved.

SnootyVixen
02-12-2006, 01:03 PM
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Rattlesnake, I don't know what it was that Beesy already told you about the black car, but if you will go to the website www.justicefordarlie.org they have posted the police sheets that are filled out when they get a phone call reporting something and you can see all the calls they got about a suspicious black car around Darlie's house. Calls that they never did anything about and never admitted to. These were obtained through the freedom of information act.

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While it's true that the garage had a lot of junk in it the area from the window to the door leading to the utility room had a clear path. This was the route the little boys used going in and out of the garage. It had things knocked over however when the police got there. Suspiciously like someone had maybe run through there and knocked into something? And also on the path outside the window to the gate there was a lawn chair overturned which was never mentioned at all in the investigators report or in the trial, not even the defense mentioned it.

Goody
02-12-2006, 01:15 PM
Rattlesnake, Goody speak with forked tongue. Actually all speak with forked tongue.
Totally not true and you know it! Already causing trouble I see. It is not enough that we welcome you in spite of your mean spirited history with us, but you gotta try to spread discension here. You should be ashamed. Don't believe a word he says, Rattle. Do your research and form your own opinions.


They want all the personal info you can give them on Darlie and her family so they can add it to the fuel when they ridicule and write their know it all despicable posts about them. Please don't tell them a thing more. They are using you and they will such you dry and toss away the husk and move on.
He doesn't want you to know the truth, Rattle. He is trying to lure you away to their den of spin so you can be fed doctored up "truth" and they can keep you distracted from the real issues at hand here. I know you are too intelligent to be suckered that easily, but just a word of warning. Jeff desperately wants Darlie to be innocent. Have you started that book yet, Jeffie? Maybe one about the "real Darlie" or why the death penalty should be outlawed? CWB could publish it for you. Do tell us where we can pick up a copy. We are your number one fans after all, even if you don't like us.


And also it's fun to keep them in the dark about so much that they want to know. So have a little fun. If you will send me your email by IM I will send you to a Darlie forum you will like better.
LOL! I am sure you think it is better. Where are they hiding these days? In some private forum where no one who thinks she is guilty can sign up???? Is that the same group who were copying PMs and sending them around to each other, embarrassing posters not part of the clique. Thank goodness I never participated in those many forums they have had that all go belly up for one reason or another. I am all for supporting people who are convicted but not at the expense of the truth. If Darlie committed this crime, lying about it won't make her not guilty. If she didn't, lying about it will only make her look more guilty. So best to be stand up about it. Can you handle a little straight forward honesty or does it all have to be cloak and dagger for you?


This bunch of people has been together for years now
No, we haven't. I don't think I have been here even one year yet.



and all totally believe her to be guilty and so every newcomer only gets the guilty side when learning about the case.
Welll, I guess that is true, but that is only because people who believe her to be innocent are so scarce. If supporters wanted an open and honest debate, I am sure they could weigh in here or at GAC and get just that. Sure, some will pounce, but not all of us do. Give us something to chew on and we will join in. Although I gotta admit, my interest is beginning to fade a bit.


Sorry Beesy but you never had a chance at a balanced view. And this group seems to never get it's fill of posting to each other about what a horrible mother Darlie was, and what great mother's they are. What a vicious killer Darlie was and how they never would do something like that. How trampy Darlie looked and how lady like they all look. How ugly Darin is and how handsome their husbands are etc...etc...etc. I think you get the picture.
No one has ever said she was a horrible mother, but we have discussed evidence we have run across that shows she was not the perfect mom people like you want to promote. You just can't handle anything negative about her unless you can call her dumb or naive because that is all so cute and cuddly, isn't it?

Yes, we crack a joke now and then that is not flattering, but you ought to be able to handle that if you can call her dumb and naive. Like it somehow excuses bad behavior.


Except for Jeana. I do have to say this about Jeana. She's a nice person and she's actually a beautiful woman with nice kids and a hunka hunka hubby. But I think she's more convinced of Darlie's guilt because of her friendship with Toby Shook than her own reasoning. JMO though. Her I like.
Did you hear that, Jeana? You aren't smart enough or independent enough to think for yourself. You need Toby to do it for you. I don't think she is going to see that as a compliment. Only the ego that ate Houston would think she would. :banghead:


But this ain't the place for you Rattlesnake.
Something tells me that Rattle can think for herself as well. Of course, she could do both, I suppose. Is that allowed in your little clique? We certainly have no objection, do we, Jeana?

Goody
02-12-2006, 01:29 PM
Goody, you really are a pompous doofus. Where on earth did you get the stupid idea that I was Jeff????? And now the rest of the doofus's think I'm Jeff
You said you were Jeff. Plus you keep using his favorite word "pompous." If you aren't Jeff, email me who you are and I will drop it if I believe you. :blowkiss:

Goody
02-12-2006, 01:35 PM
Beesy here you are speaking of the question of were two knives used. And you say that you trust the ME. Do you actually know what it was that the ME concluded and testified to? It was that they could not determine whether two knives were used or not.

Also, you trust the word of the experts and ME's. Are you aware that the defense's expert ME was Dr. Vincent DiMaio, world renown forensic pathologist who writes the textbooks that are used to teach forensic pathologists? He is the ME for a different county in Texas and his father is or was (if he has retired) the ME for NYC. He testified that Darlie's wounds were defensive and that if he were doing an autopsy on her body he would have listed them and put in parenthesis beside them (defensive). But all on this board choose to throw away this very learned man's opinions because they are for the defense. Never mind that the prosecution uses him all the time but they didn't hire him in time. So the prosecution thinks well of him. He has tremendous years of experience and the ME's who did the autopsies on the little ones had only a very few years. They choose to believe that this very prominant man is basically just a trial whore who can be bought for the highest price. I find that shameful.
Actually, I need to go back and reread Dr DiMaio's testimony because you are right. He is very highly respected in his field, something I did not appreciate the first time out. The fact that he says he would list Darlie's wounds as defense wounds in an autopsy does not mean they were actually defense wounds, though I am inclined to believe she got everything but the neck wound during the crime. Cami thinks the arm wound was deliberate as do others here. I think it could be either or. Nonetheless, it wouldn't change my mind about her role in the crime. BTW, Can the assailant also get defense wounds?

justice2
02-12-2006, 01:55 PM
I'm sure you are aware that the boys do not have a stone marker, just a little metal thing. But you know that. I'm sure you've been there. I remember seeing a double headstone in one of the media stories, had a motorcyle I think at the top.

And speaking of media at justicefordarlie, is there a way to download those so I can watch them on my computer while not hooked up to their site. The video on them stop about halfway through, but the audio keeps going. Anybody else have the same problem?

Goody
02-12-2006, 02:09 PM
I remember seeing a double headstone in one of the media stories, had a motorcyle I think at the top.

And speaking of media at justicefordarlie, is there a way to download those so I can watch them on my computer while not hooked up to their site. The video on them stop about halfway through, but the audio keeps going. Anybody else have the same problem?
Someone else will have to weigh in there for you. I still have dial up and can't hear most of it. But cable soon, soon, I swear.

You are right about the headstone. There is a photo somewhere that shows a headstone with an airplane on one side and something else on the other, maybe a motorcycle. It was donated to them, was it not? I think it is at one of those sites for murdered children.

Goody
02-12-2006, 02:22 PM
Don't kid me Darlie could be a silver tongued devil when she got old enough to join the womens circle at the table with her mother and her mothers friends. She teased plenty and was quick with a comeback. I never got my feelings truly hurt and she never did either. Some of it was hilarous, None of the close women friends was abusive to Darlie. Its probably the same stuff you do with your close friends. Darlie would tease us older women about gravity and such.
We would tease her about being young dumb and not really a true blonde. That wasn't they only conversations we had at the table, playing cards usually, but its the ones I remember most cause we were happy and we were ALL laughing. It was good times not bad. Thats what I mean about y'all reading into what I say what you want it to mean not what it really is. Haven't you ever been to a HEN PARTY-- I mean thats all it is in the beauty parlor in Steel Magnolias

Darlie never had a dark side in her childhood years, she could socialize with her own peers as well as older friends of the family. She was self assured enough to give and take in all relationships she had, her marriage, her friends, her parents friends. Her closest friends have always been her sisters. Her Mom was her best friend when she got older. Just like mine is to me now. She'll never lie to me, she's my mama.
This stuff is great but I am really interested in the changes she may have been going through in the last months before the crime, even the last year or so.

One thing I am curious about though, I have always thought she secretly suffered from depression as a child. As you know there are some heritary links to depression and it is not all that unusual for a child to feel sad without knowing why. It might not be noticed by others as often the presence of others can make a child either feel up or project up reactions to things because he or she feels that is what is expected. Darlie did have some life changing events. Her parents divorcing, moving back and forth between PA and TX a couple of times. Can you look back and see anything like that possibly in the works?

beesy
02-12-2006, 06:00 PM
Actually everyone had to have an aerial antennae 35 years ago, and to get channel 28 and (there was a channel 34 also added many many years ago) UHF, one of those little circle antennaes had to be hooked up on the back of the television. All this was years and years ago. The mall was built around the late 70's but no one would make jokes about or even know Darlie now. Houses and neighborhoods sprang up South of town as far back as 30 years ago. I know because I was looking at some of them back then. I just think it is odd to mention things that were going on in Lubbock 35 years ago instead of now and don't know how it really applies to Darlie. How are the hospital facilities there? Do you have to order tests yourself?

beesy
02-12-2006, 06:07 PM
You are right about the headstone. There is a photo somewhere that shows a headstone with an airplane on one side and something else on the other, maybe a motorcycle. It was donated to them, was it not? I think it is at one of those sites for murdered children Then it must be fairly new. I'm sure it was donated, otherwise it wouldn't be there. Jane should know when it was put in. In case she doesn't I sent an email to the submitter of this photo. Maybe he'll go back out there for us.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Routier&GSfn=Damon&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GSob=n&GRid=6370341&

Goody
02-12-2006, 06:58 PM
Goody, you really are a pompous doofus. Where on earth did you get the stupid idea that I was Jeff????? And now the rest of the doofus's think I'm Jeff
Incidentally, Jeff, I have a bone to pick with you. In one of these threads you said we WSers post bad stuff about the family. I have never said one unkind word about the family that I can recall. Nothing at all. I have even taken up for DK, who is about the only family ever discussed here, unless you are counting Darin. I get the stuffing kicked out of me for saying the positive things I do say about Darlie and her family, which might not be as positive to you as it is to some of my fellow posters here who don't take too kindly to sympathy for the defendant and their supporters. So you should eat those words, my fair weather friend.

txsvicki
02-12-2006, 10:49 PM
How are the hospital facilities there? Do you have to order tests yourself?

Lol. The teaching hospital is a good place to be for trauma. My daughter was in an accident once, had a head injury, and ended up in ICU for several days. I wasn't allowed back there in the ER at all even though I had ridden in the ambulance with her.

SnootyVixen
02-13-2006, 01:52 AM
Then it must be fairly new. I'm sure it was donated, otherwise it wouldn't be there. Jane should know when it was put in. In case she doesn't I sent an email to the submitter of this photo. Maybe he'll go back out there for us.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Routier&GSfn=Damon&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GSob=n&GRid=6370341&


That headstone has been there always. and I do not think it was donated. Where are you getting this information?

beesy
02-13-2006, 02:00 AM
That headstone has been there always. and I do not think it was donated. Where are you getting this information? The link I posted. It is not a headstone, but a grave marker. I have not seen or heard anything about the headstone Goody and justice are referring to. I do not know if it was donated. I was playing around. All I know about is the grave marker which has been there always, as you said.

deanws
02-13-2006, 02:13 AM
The link I posted. It is not a headstone, but a grave marker. I have not seen or heard anything about the headstone Goody and justice are referring to. I do not know if it was donated. I was playing around. All I know about is the grave marker which has been there always, as you said. Beesy, down here in Texas flat markers are common. In fact, some of the newer cemetery's, flat ones are all they allow. You can also buy little vases that screw into the flat markers. They claim that it is easier to keep the cemetery nicer looking...no weeds growing around the headstones. Also, with the high water table along the coast, the upright headstones tend to have to be leveled from time to time.

beesy
02-13-2006, 02:19 AM
Beesy, down here in Texas flat headstones are common. In fact, some of the newer cemetery's, flat ones are all they allow. You can also buy little vases that screw into the flat headstones. There is a picture of the cemetary on that same link and you can see headstones. I never said anything about there being a headstone. Where my grandfather is buried they only allow markers, but not so where Damon and Darin are. Anyway, I've never seen this one justice and Goody are talking about and I looked on several different sites. I don't know how old the picture on Find a Grave is.

deanws
02-13-2006, 02:29 AM
There is a picture of the cemetary on that same link and you can see headstones. I never said anything about there being a headstone. Where my grandfather is buried they only allow markers, but not so where Damon and Darin are. Anyway, I've never seen this one justice and Goody are talking about and I looked on several different sites. I don't know how old the picture on Find a Grave is. This is off the subject...but another thing that really bugs me...is the box of pictures that Darin left in the attic. I can't imagine him leaving them....and the selling of all the toys, and the pair of tennis shoes on the front porch? I don't know. I would have saved things like that. I still have things like that from when my first husband died. It just seems so strange to me how he seems to not care about stuff like that.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-13-2006, 04:00 AM
I'm OK your OK ,



If I tell you more about Darlie that is personal then good, bad, or ugly, ANYONE can come to this site and put it out there all twisted and perv like I've seen. Even the portrayal of Toby makes me sick on 1 site.

I had no more intentions of doing so as even the well documented space flight a classmate of mine died on is disputed as a lie. I don't care they won't be invited to the reunions anyway--- just in case, My husband and I are the ball and chain award winners cause we've been married the longest.

I have always stated and will state again, I want something besides personal profiling information.

I thought that a lot of the posters who are here now had a better handle on the blood evidence than we had in the past when MTJD first came out. I debated this issue over 6 years ago here on this very site. I was very pro Darlie and believed all the information in MTJD but found several faults of mine own in Chris's book, I remember DP from the old days..... I e mailed her who I was and even told her my true name when I came back. I trust her . If evidence fell from the sky that proved Darlie was innocent DP would get it to the right people and do the right thing even if it blew her mind. This time I decided to look for truth in the evidence and try and not consider any of my own personal ideas about Darlie. If she did it the blood would tell as they say.


I'm having my doubts about her innocence due to cast off. I will explore this further, The DR mentioned in the post who testified for Darlie is about the BEST in Texas. I've heard of him before and just cause the person testifies for the defense doesn't make him any less of a DR. If we are going to have an open mind we have to listen to both sides equally. But we have to go by what is more reasonable to believe too. I do appreciate all the links and information it is a lot more than we used to have in the old forum days.

deanws
02-13-2006, 10:08 PM
Actually, I need to go back and reread Dr DiMaio's testimony because you are right. He is very highly respected in his field, something I did not appreciate the first time out. The fact that he says he would list Darlie's wounds as defense wounds in an autopsy does not mean they were actually defense wounds, though I am inclined to believe she got everything but the neck wound during the crime. Cami thinks the arm wound was deliberate as do others here. I think it could be either or. Nonetheless, it wouldn't change my mind about her role in the crime. BTW, Can the assailant also get defense wounds? Goody, I guess anyone could get defense wounds. If two people were slapping each other around, I assume that one would put their hands up or duck to avoid getting hit, stabbed...ect. So yeah, unless one person was much stronger than the other and didn't put up a fight, both would have defensive wounds.

Goody
02-13-2006, 10:22 PM
Would you just leave me alone!!! Why are you including me in all of this crap? I am not a newcomer to this freaking case. How many times do I have to tell you that? I got the books, all 4, when they came out in '99. For some reason, I even had 2 copies of MTJD. If I was just a board whore, then I wouldn't have had those books in the first place! Alot of the people who post on here do not even have a copy of MTJD. I have the first printing. I guess you just figure I'm lying about studying this case since '99? I even emailed Babs when she changed her mind. When she first posted that letter, she had a "contact me". She was answering quetions about why she changed her mind and the additional evidence she found. I asked her about the blood in the sink. So please stop referring to me as a newcomer. I've only been on WS since June of '05, but I am not newcomer to Darlie. Please leave me out of your temper tantrums. Thank you! I will not be replying to anymore of your posts to me. Leave me alone!
Now you know what makes him so huggable,.

Goody
02-13-2006, 10:26 PM
No one said the Challenger flight was a lie. I said a flag WAS NOT found whole and that your information you provided was a lie. It could not happen as you say. I have provided the links. It is scientific fact how this happened. Read and learn. People here are not stupid. You can't tell folk stories here and think that it will be taken as fact. Did you bother to read the links? I think not or you would not have brought this up again.
I don't remember much about the challenger but wasn't it televised and didn't the whole country see it explode before it left the earth's atmosphere? Or am I getting space shuttles mixed up?

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-13-2006, 10:58 PM
It is old news and quickly forgotton. Even the bad joke I heard was years ago.
I only gave you back ground on me as I felt it necessary to give you a picture not only of Darlie but the person it is coming from. Thats what I mean about honesty. It does make me vunerable to discussion as well but I have never murdered anyone and especially not a child. I'm doing a lot of research on this case right now and I don't have a problem with ANYONE CORRECTING FAUTLY FACTS.

I am a big girl and I can take it my goodness I lived in a hut:woohoo:

What could be worse than that Snooty, compared to what happened to Devon and Damon.
I just want to know as much truth as possible and if my information is incorrect please feel free to correct me. If your facts aren't right you aren't going to come to the right conclusion.

I may be basing something I believe to be correct ,and I know it makes
beesy like this:banghead: , Sorry, you have been somewhat kind with all your proof, compassionate for the boys, and I feel terribly for your loss. If you want information about me just ask, to those who want to call me a liar about who I am and that my own life experiences are untrue. State your doubts I will clarify if need be, or ask me nicely, I'll kindly respond. There is no need to poke integrity issue buttons here unless you have proof, isn't that what the pro-Darlie side claims anyway. That the prosecution construed and screwed truth instead of seeking it in the first place. If we do that here then we prove what the pro-Darlie side as said all along-- Darlie is judged on character and not evidence she is easy to hate by shallow determinations.

Right now I'm reading Bevels testimony it is in 2 books but the 2nd one is where he gives his testimony. It is in volume 39.


I need if can be found the exhibits TB-3, T-10 ,TB-2 ,T-9.
Are they in MTJD.

Can anyone help in this information

deanws
02-13-2006, 11:04 PM
I don't remember much about the challenger but wasn't it televised and didn't the whole country see it explode before it left the earth's atmosphere? Or am I getting space shuttles mixed up?Yes. I was teaching school then. Most of the world saw it after the fact when it was being replayed and thought they were seeing it in real time. My school was one of the ones (Huffman ISD) that was on the PBS program. We were test driving a new program that NASA was doing..... trying to get elementary and middle schools involved in science. At that time, Texas science scores were horrid. We studied the space program for two years. It was joint adventure to see if the use of TV broadcasting and off site teachers coming in once every other week could improve test scores. Then, if successful, Texas was going to rewrite their science curriculum. I just busted into tears when it happened. Of course, most of the girls in my class did too. Not a day to forget.

Goody
02-13-2006, 11:11 PM
Yes. I was teaching school then. Most of the world saw it after the fact when it was being replayed and thought they were seeing it in real time. My school was one of the ones (Huffman ISD) that was on the PBS program. We were test driving a new program that NASA was doing..... trying to get elementary and middle schools involved in science. At that time, Texas science scores were horrid. We studies the space program for two years. It was joint adventure to see if the use of TV broadcasting and off site teachers coming in once every other week could improve test scores. Then, if successful, Texas was going to rewrite their science curriculum. I just busted into tears when it happened. Of course, most of the girls in my class did too. Not a day to forget.
I remember. For a long time I thought the teacher was from Tennessee because they covered so much of it here. Had me totally confused for years. LOL!

I was just wondering if you guys weren't being unnecessarily rough with Jane. I sense a writer in Jane and distinct storytelling style in her posts. I doubt if she is being deceptive as much as just spinning a colorful tale for our amusement. What do you think? Can we cut her a little slack?

deanws
02-13-2006, 11:46 PM
I remember. For a long time I thought the teacher was from Tennessee because they covered so much of it here. Had me totally confused for years. LOL!

I was just wondering if you guys weren't being unnecessarily rough with Jane. I sense a writer in Jane and distinct storytelling style in her posts. I doubt if she is being deceptive as much as just spinning a colorful tale for our amusement. What do you think? Can we cut her a little slack?It is one thing to embellish and make a story colorful..It is quite another thing to out right lie. That Challenger post was a lie. Nothing else can be said about that. Look at the facts of the case. There is no way that she even got CLOSE to the facts there. I will just ignore her. The hospital story was the same. I have had cancer several times. I know how the hospital works. Some things are just not acceptable to lie about. As I said...I will just ignore her.:hand:

Goody
02-14-2006, 12:34 AM
It is one thing to embellish and make a story colorful..It is quite another thing to out right lie. That Challenger post was a lie. Nothing else can be said about that. Look at the facts of the case. There is no way that she even got CLOSE to the facts there. I will just ignore her. The hospital story was the same. I have had cancer several times. I know how the hospital works. Some things are just not acceptable to lie about. As I said...I will just ignore her.:hand:
If you insist, but I suspect you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Country people don't always phrase things the way cityfolk do. And sometimes truth is more perception than fact.

deanws
02-14-2006, 12:47 AM
If you insist, but I suspect you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Country people don't always phrase things the way cityfolk do. And sometimes truth is more perception than fact. Come ON Goody! Finding a flag from the Challenger when nothing was left inside of the Challenger? Read my post on that. NOT possible! That is not perception...that is a bold face lie. Ordering tests and the hosptial not KNOWING she wasn't a doctor? Again, not a perception issue. Those things are lies. No other way around it. :laugh:* The cabin hit the water at a speed greater than 200 mph, resulting in a force of about 200 Gs crushing the structure and destroying everything inside* Either you see something or you don't. Like I said...nothing to do with perception...everything to do with lying. Then she states we feel threatned? Nope. I can spot Bul***** when I see it. I live on a farm remember?

beesy
02-14-2006, 01:37 AM
Now you know what makes him so huggable,. I get the http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_2_104.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN) warm fuzzies just thinking about him!

justice2
02-14-2006, 12:36 PM
There is a picture of the cemetary on that same link and you can see headstones. I never said anything about there being a headstone. Where my grandfather is buried they only allow markers, but not so where Damon and Darin are. Anyway, I've never seen this one justice and Goody are talking about and I looked on several different sites. I don't know how old the picture on Find a Grave is. Ok guys, I call a headstone and a marker the same thing, a headstone. It's placed at the head of the grave ... I'll have to watch the videos again and find where they show the grave. You can see the airplane in the one at find a grave. I'll let you know if the one in the video is different from this one.

Jeana (DP)
02-14-2006, 12:37 PM
Get off my case I don't make personal coments about your theories, ideas or life experiences cause at least you have the guts to put them out there. If you are as honest as you claim then you could admit that you have faults and so does Darlie and every other living human out there. You should take with a grain of salt everything you hear until you know for a fact that it is true. That goes for about all information in life. I really don't care if you respond of not I didn't come here to win friends and influnce people. I would rather discuss the evidence.


You're the one who brought it up. You can't expect posters to NOT ask questions. I personally don't care about what Darlie did when she was four years old. I think its fine if you don't want to discuss it. Just don't make statements and expect posters NOT to ask questions about them.

Jeana (DP)
02-14-2006, 12:38 PM
Don't kid me Darlie could be a silver tongued devil when she got old enough to join the womens circle at the table with her mother and her mothers friends. She teased plenty and was quick with a comeback. I never got my feelings truly hurt and she never did either. Some of it was hilarous, None of the close women friends was abusive to Darlie. Its probably the same stuff you do with your close friends. Darlie would tease us older women about gravity and such.
We would tease her about being young dumb and not really a true blonde. That wasn't they only conversations we had at the table, playing cards usually, but its the ones I remember most cause we were happy and we were ALL laughing. It was good times not bad. Thats what I mean about y'all reading into what I say what you want it to mean not what it really is. Haven't you ever been to a HEN PARTY-- I mean thats all it is in the beauty parlor in Steel Magnolias

Darlie never had a dark side in her childhood years, she could socialize with her own peers as well as older friends of the family. She was self assured enough to give and take in all relationships she had, her marriage, her friends, her parents friends. Her closest friends have always been her sisters. Her Mom was her best friend when she got older. Just like mine is to me now. She'll never lie to me, she's my mama.


Post No. 20, you're telling people you only want to talk about the EVIDENCE and now this. You're going to have to make up your mind darlin because I'm not going to deal with the backlash because you're wishy-washy.

Jeana (DP)
02-14-2006, 12:46 PM
Rattlesnake, Goody speak with forked tongue. Actually all speak with forked tongue. They want all the personal info you can give them on Darlie and her family so they can add it to the fuel when they ridicule and write their know it all despicable posts about them. Please don't tell them a thing more. They are using you and they will such you dry and toss away the husk and move on. And also it's fun to keep them in the dark about so much that they want to know. So have a little fun. If you will send me your email by IM I will send you to a Darlie forum you will like better.
This bunch of people has been together for years now and all totally believe her to be guilty and so every newcomer only gets the guilty side when learning about the case. Sorry Beesy but you never had a chance at a balanced view. And this group seems to never get it's fill of posting to each other about what a horrible mother Darlie was, and what great mother's they are. What a vicious killer Darlie was and how they never would do something like that. How trampy Darlie looked and how lady like they all look. How ugly Darin is and how handsome their husbands are etc...etc...etc. I think you get the picture.
Except for Jeana. I do have to say this about Jeana. She's a nice person and she's actually a beautiful woman with nice kids and a hunka hunka hubby. But I think she's more convinced of Darlie's guilt because of her friendship with Toby Shook than her own reasoning. JMO though. Her I like.

But this ain't the place for you Rattlesnake.


It ain't the place for you either Jeff. You're gone.

Jeana (DP)
02-14-2006, 12:52 PM
I sense a writer in Jane and distinct storytelling style in her posts. I doubt if she is being deceptive as much as just spinning a colorful tale for our amusement. What do you think? Can we cut her a little slack?[/color]


If we don't, some posters will be taking a vacation. I've had just about enough.

txsvicki
02-15-2006, 12:33 AM
If you insist, but I suspect you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Country people don't always phrase things the way cityfolk do. And sometimes truth is more perception than fact.


I'm not calling Jane a liar or anything and no offense, but people in Lubbock aren't country people. It's a town of about 200,000 and mostly people in professions or university students. There are some old cotton farmers here who are very wealthy but are still educated and do not talk like country people. I bet you are right about descriptions being written like a short story and that is why I am seeing things differently.

beesy
02-15-2006, 02:00 AM
I'm not calling Jane a liar or anything and no offense, but people in Lubbock aren't country people. It's a town of about 200,000 and mostly people in professions or university students. There are some old cotton farmers here who are very wealthy but are still educated and do not talk like country people. I bet you are right about descriptions being written like a short story and that is why I am seeing things differently. That's a very good question. It's probably better to ask Jane something more specific like that anyway. It's hard to know what to say when people just ask you for anything you know. If we are specific then she can say "well, I didn't talk to her much at that point in her life" that sort of thing.
Yall aint country folks down thar in Lubbuck? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_8.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN) I thought yalls was

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-15-2006, 10:52 AM
WE ARE THE BIGGEST LITTLE TOWN IN TEXAS.

It really is weird but we have always said that Lubbock was as gossipy and know every bodies business as a very small town would be. It seems like everyone I meet already knows someone I know or is related to them.
Most of the kids raised in town want to move away as soon as they able.
They want to go to bigger towns like Austin, Dallas, etc. Then all the kids from smaller towns around Lubbock come to college and stay. They too "moved up" to a bigger city than the one they were raised in.

Our now regional manager who moved here from Sherman Tx to be our store manager ( before she got her promotion) also stated how Lubbockites are very cliquish and because she moved here later in life she was shunned. Not meanly but she said when people found out she was a transplant with no family in the area and no roots here she wasn't welcomed wholeheartedly. I hate that some Lubbockites treat people like this but more than 1 person I know who were transplants say they ran into this weird mentality. That's why I quoted Dirk West he kinda addressed this issue back in the 60's with his got here quick as I could cartoon.

We didn't have a city DA until the 70,s. We used the county DA before that.
We are not as progressive as some people think.

Give you an example- neighbor across the street from my house- bought house moved in found out his sister in law knows my sister. Sold house, new owners move in the wife's brother knows my husband for years.

The next door neighbor sells house new people move in and my mother knows their parents from another town both sets of parents. Thats freaky.

Maybe my block is a time warp or something. I can't seem to meet anyone who doesn't already know people I know or who aren't related to them.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-15-2006, 11:06 AM
Post No. 20, you're telling people you only want to talk about the EVIDENCE and now this. You're going to have to make up your mind darlin because I'm not going to deal with the backlash because you're wishy-washy.
I'm sorry I couldn't help myself. Don't kick anyone out for disagreeing with me or posting something. Jeff doesn't bother me, only someone threatening my life or something like that would bother me.

I have been reading a lot more about the blood evidence and while Darlie's past and present behavior doesn't make me judge her it does make others.

I have noticed some very bright and clever posters here and I wish they too would put forth the effort to do just what beesy and goody have been doing.

Reading the transcripts and looking at all the evidence.

deanws
02-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Anyone hear anything else about the hearing yet?

Jeana (DP)
02-15-2006, 04:17 PM
I'm sorry I couldn't help myself. Don't kick anyone out for disagreeing with me or posting something. Jeff doesn't bother me, only someone threatening my life or something like that would bother me.

I have been reading a lot more about the blood evidence and while Darlie's past and present behavior doesn't make me judge her it does make others.

I have noticed some very bright and clever posters here and I wish they too would put forth the effort to do just what beesy and goody have been doing.

Reading the transcripts and looking at all the evidence.


Hey, it doesn't matter to me and if you don't want to discuss it, you certainly don't have to, but let's make a decision one way or the other, ok??? :) :)

Goody
02-15-2006, 04:20 PM
I'm not calling Jane a liar or anything and no offense, but people in Lubbock aren't country people. It's a town of about 200,000 and mostly people in professions or university students. There are some old cotton farmers here who are very wealthy but are still educated and do not talk like country people. I bet you are right about descriptions being written like a short story and that is why I am seeing things differently.
Well, that is interesting. I have always thought of Lubbock as a smaller town than that and sort of isolated away from the rest of the state. Shows how much I know, I guess. But I don't think we have to second guess everything Jane says because Jeana knows who she is and approved her to post here. Can't we just take her at face value for that reason alone?

Goody
02-15-2006, 04:22 PM
Hey, it doesn't matter to me and if you don't want to discuss it, you certainly don't have to, but let's make a decision one way or the other, ok??? :) :)
Discuss what? What is going on? Are some topics off limits?

deanws
02-15-2006, 04:25 PM
Well, that is interesting. I have always thought of Lubbock as a smaller town than that and sort of isolated away from the rest of the state. Shows how much I know, I guess. But I don't think we have to second guess everything Jane says because Jeana knows who she is and approved her to post here. Can't we just take her at face value for that reason alone? Goody...I am not going to believe anyone who says things that can't possibly happen. Things that can be PROVEN to be scientifically impossible.

Jeana (DP)
02-15-2006, 05:59 PM
Discuss what? What is going on? Are some topics off limits?


She said she didn't want to discuss anything she knew of Darlie from Darlie's childhood, etc., she only wants to discuss the evidence. As I said, I personally don't care one way or the other, but I'm not going to have her get angry at posters for asking those types of questions and then two posts later, start discussing that same type of stuff she got angry about.

Goody
02-15-2006, 06:11 PM
She said she didn't want to discuss anything she knew of Darlie from Darlie's childhood, etc., she only wants to discuss the evidence. As I said, I personally don't care one way or the other, but I'm not going to have her get angry at posters for asking those types of questions and then two posts later, start discussing that same type of stuff she got angry about.
Okay, I get it. She has told us a lot about Darlie's childhood, but I agree she shouldn't get angry because we ask....esp now that she has told us she knew her so well then. I am just glad to hear that there are no topics off limits in this case. I would hate to feel like we have to wear a verbal girdle. You know me, I like peeking under every leaf. :)

Jeana (DP)
02-15-2006, 06:13 PM
Okay, I get it. She has told us a lot about Darlie's childhood, but I agree she shouldn't get angry because we ask....esp now that she has told us she knew her so well then. I am just glad to hear that there are no topics off limits in this case. I would hate to feel like we have to wear a verbal girdle. You know me, I like peeking under every leaf. :)


Ya'll can ask! I don't know if she'll answer and we'll just need to accept it either way (like grown ups!) ;)

deanws
02-15-2006, 06:17 PM
I like peeking under every leaf. :) Did ya find anything?!?!;)

Goody
02-15-2006, 07:50 PM
Ya'll can ask! I don't know if she'll answer and we'll just need to accept it either way (like grown ups!) ;)

hahahahahahahh. Like grown ups, eh? Aw, shucks.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-16-2006, 10:04 AM
Discuss what? What is going on? Are some topics off limits?
I THINK DP is protective of me because while some people are hateful to Darlie being able to express that hate to someone they know ,knows Darlie is just as good as expressing that hate to her face.

By admitting I knew her I opened up a slew of questions about her past- it is natural for anyone to ask.

Folks I don't know anything , from their past, that would prove Darlie did this or even makes me suspicous of Darin. I can't give you anything more than a few stories that don't mean anything. I would have contacted the investigators at the time and revealed ALL and then some more too,if there was anything to reveal.

I would like to find out more because I am a friend of Mama Darlie, and Darlie's if the task falls to me then I will have to burden it. Time is growing short and both women deserve peace-regardless of what we think of them personally or as friends. You won't convict Darlie in my mind by her behavior, I have asked for convincing forensic evidence please help to convince me using the evidence. Beesy and Goody have done just that and tirelessly they have posted evidence, trial testimony etc. The open discussion I'd prefer to have
would include discussions of those facts. If you think I might know something like the question about depression ,that was a good one looking to see if Darlie exhibited mental health issues early on is good investigative practices. That I don't mind. This site has a lot of information and lots of links the other posters found too.

I have looked at many theories and even wrote a scenario with crack heads as the perps, I didn't try to tie too much evidence into it as I wanted to see if it could be played out possibly. Goody and beesy pointed out several problems with my scenario like how could anyone get thru that garage with no light.
I guess I would have to check the moon chart to see how much moonlight was available and the exact position of the moon at the time of the murders. The garage was one wall of windows, lots of ability to let in light. I didn't do a complete job in my scenario and their questions or doubts made me realize their is a lot more to just having a theory you have to be able to answer everything. This place will make you put your thinking cap on. We walk it out, talk it out, play it out until all the pieces fit.

deanws
02-16-2006, 01:07 PM
I THINK DP is protective of me because while some people are hateful to Darlie being able to express that hate to someone they know ,knows Darlie is just as good as expressing that hate to her face.

By admitting I knew her I opened up a slew of questions about her past- it is natural for anyone to ask.

Folks I don't know anything , from their past, that would prove Darlie did this or even makes me suspicous of Darin. I can't give you anything more than a few stories that don't mean anything. I would have contacted the investigators at the time and revealed ALL and then some more too,if there was anything to reveal.

I would like to find out more because I am a friend of Mama Darlie, and Darlie's if the task falls to me then I will have to burden it. Time is growing short and both women deserve peace-regardless of what we think of them personally or as friends. You won't convict Darlie in my mind by her behavior, I have asked for convincing forensic evidence please help to convince me using the evidence. Beesy and Goody have done just that and tirelessly they have posted evidence, trial testimony etc. The open discussion I'd prefer to have
would include discussions of those facts. If you think I might know something like the question about depression ,that was a good one looking to see if Darlie exhibited mental health issues early on is good investigative practices. That I don't mind. This site has a lot of information and lots of links the other posters found too.

I have looked at many theories and even wrote a scenario with crack heads as the perps, I didn't try to tie too much evidence into it as I wanted to see if it could be played out possibly. Goody and beesy pointed out several problems with my scenario like how could anyone get thru that garage with no light.
I guess I would have to check the moon chart to see how much moonlight was available and the exact position of the moon at the time of the murders. The garage was one wall of windows, lots of ability to let in light. I didn't do a complete job in my scenario and their questions or doubts made me realize their is a lot more to just having a theory you have to be able to answer everything. This place will make you put your thinking cap on. We walk it out, talk it out, play it out until all the pieces fit.You are right. I don't think you know anything about her that could help us figure out why she did it. I won't bother you by asking anything else. Read the trial transcripts and look into some of the blood testing carefully. I think you will find your own certain opinion after doing that. It took me a LONG time to really be certain myself. I studied this trial for years. It WAS a big deal here in Texas wasn't it? I remember reading about it in the papers almost EVERYDAY for a long while. The papers got almost half of what they said wrong. That is why it took me FOREVER to get straight some of the important facts. Also, I watched everything on TV....specials, interviews, news reports...ect. I finally got to read some of the books thanks to our great poster Cami!!! :p Anyway, it is confusing because no matter what your read or see, someone else always has a different opinion or interpretation of the facts. I came to the conclusion that she is without a doubt 100% guilty. I keep looking because some of the pieces to this puzzle STILL don't fit. Also, I want to see inside her head and figure out WHY she did this....WHAT made her snap. I even thought about writing her or going to see her. I guess in my heart...I WANTED....oh God I WANTED it NOT to be true. I now know that she did it. I still think Darin was in on it some how. I wish I knew that fact for sure. I have a feeling that I will NEVER find that out either. The fact is....Devon and Damon are dead. How sad it is...for everyone. :(

Goody
02-16-2006, 03:06 PM
I THINK DP is protective of me because while some people are hateful to Darlie being able to express that hate to someone they know ,knows Darlie is just as good as expressing that hate to her face.

By admitting I knew her I opened up a slew of questions about her past- it is natural for anyone to ask.

Folks I don't know anything , from their past, that would prove Darlie did this or even makes me suspicous of Darin. I can't give you anything more than a few stories that don't mean anything. I would have contacted the investigators at the time and revealed ALL and then some more too,if there was anything to reveal.

I would like to find out more because I am a friend of Mama Darlie, and Darlie's if the task falls to me then I will have to burden it. Time is growing short and both women deserve peace-regardless of what we think of them personally or as friends. You won't convict Darlie in my mind by her behavior, I have asked for convincing forensic evidence please help to convince me using the evidence. Beesy and Goody have done just that and tirelessly they have posted evidence, trial testimony etc. The open discussion I'd prefer to have
would include discussions of those facts. If you think I might know something like the question about depression ,that was a good one looking to see if Darlie exhibited mental health issues early on is good investigative practices. That I don't mind. This site has a lot of information and lots of links the other posters found too.

I have looked at many theories and even wrote a scenario with crack heads as the perps, I didn't try to tie too much evidence into it as I wanted to see if it could be played out possibly. Goody and beesy pointed out several problems with my scenario like how could anyone get thru that garage with no light.
I guess I would have to check the moon chart to see how much moonlight was available and the exact position of the moon at the time of the murders. The garage was one wall of windows, lots of ability to let in light. I didn't do a complete job in my scenario and their questions or doubts made me realize their is a lot more to just having a theory you have to be able to answer everything. This place will make you put your thinking cap on. We walk it out, talk it out, play it out until all the pieces fit.
Excellent post, Jane. Thank you.

Goody
02-16-2006, 03:16 PM
You are right. I don't think you know anything about her that could help us figure out why she did it. I won't bother you by asking anything else. Read the trial transcripts and look into some of the blood testing carefully. I think you will find your own certain opinion after doing that. It took me a LONG time to really be certain myself. I studied this trial for years. It WAS a big deal here in Texas wasn't it? I remember reading about it in the papers almost EVERYDAY for a long while. The papers got almost half of what they said wrong. That is why it took me FOREVER to get straight some of the important facts. Also, I watched everything on TV....specials, interviews, news reports...ect. I finally got to read some of the books thanks to our great poster Cami!!! :p Anyway, it is confusing because no matter what your read or see, someone else always has a different opinion or interpretation of the facts. I came to the conclusion that she is without a doubt 100% guilty. I keep looking because some of the pieces to this puzzle STILL don't fit. Also, I want to see inside her head and figure out WHY she did this....WHAT made her snap. I even thought about writing her or going to see her. I guess in my heart...I WANTED....oh God I WANTED it NOT to be true. I now know that she did it. I still think Darin was in on it some how. I wish I knew that fact for sure. I have a feeling that I will NEVER find that out either. The fact is....Devon and Damon are dead. How sad it is...for everyone. :(
Were you angry with Darlie when you first determined she was guilty? I was. I felt disappointed, almost betrayed if you will. I was esp with the supporters I felt had misled me along the way as well (I won't name names but some here know who they are.) So it has been an emotional roller coaster and I suppose that is what keeps me connected to this case above others. In spite of it all though, as much as it disappoints some, I don't want to see Darlie die. I would much rather see the whole truth exposed and mercy be given to her than to throw away yet another life in this tragic case.

deanws
02-16-2006, 04:12 PM
Were you angry with Darlie when you first determined she was guilty? I was. I felt disappointed, almost betrayed if you will. I was esp with the supporters I felt had misled me along the way as well (I won't name names but some here know who they are.) So it has been an emotional roller coaster and I suppose that is what keeps me connected to this case above others. In spite of it all though, as much as it disappoints some, I don't want to see Darlie die. I would much rather see the whole truth exposed and mercy be given to her than to throw away yet another life in this tragic case. Yeah...a little angry..but mostly the horrible crying of WHY!?!?! I was hurt down to my toes knowing that the last thing a little boy saw was his mother stabbing him...and knowing while I am dying...she is not holding me? Can you imagine what he was thinking? Gosh MOM...I PROMISE I won't splash the water out of the hot tub again! Why don't you love me? Why are you hurting me? As it is now...she is never going to get anyone's mercy until she fesses up. Shoot! I would glady like to see her admit the truth, get Darin in jail if he was indeed involved, for a trade of a life sentence. But it won't happen. We kill them here in Texas. I do believe in the death penalty 100%! However, if Darin is guilty also, I think justice would be served by putting him in jail and letting her off of death row. I think she would hate the general prison population. Come to think of it...it might be WORSE for her than death. Something tells me that I bet she wouldn't get along in there.:loser:

beesy
02-16-2006, 06:09 PM
Were you angry with Darlie when you first determined she was guilty? I was. I felt disappointed, almost betrayed if you will. I was esp with the supporters I felt had misled me along the way as well (I won't name names but some here know who they are.) So it has been an emotional roller coaster and I suppose that is what keeps me connected to this case above others. In spite of it all though, as much as it disappoints some, I don't want to see Darlie die. I would much rather see the whole truth exposed and mercy be given to her than to throw away yet another life in this tragic case. Yes, I was, and yes, I felt betrayed. How dare she look at us and bat her eyes, knowing what she did? Darin too, he's worse I think. Protecting her! It's disgusting! When I came here I had already faced her guilt, but when I read Chris' book before coming here, he had me, he nearly had me.

beesy
02-16-2006, 06:11 PM
I THINK DP is protective of me because while some people are hateful to Darlie being able to express that hate to someone they know ,knows Darlie is just as good as expressing that hate to her face.

By admitting I knew her I opened up a slew of questions about her past- it is natural for anyone to ask.

Folks I don't know anything , from their past, that would prove Darlie did this or even makes me suspicous of Darin. I can't give you anything more than a few stories that don't mean anything. I would have contacted the investigators at the time and revealed ALL and then some more too,if there was anything to reveal.

I would like to find out more because I am a friend of Mama Darlie, and Darlie's if the task falls to me then I will have to burden it. Time is growing short and both women deserve peace-regardless of what we think of them personally or as friends. You won't convict Darlie in my mind by her behavior, I have asked for convincing forensic evidence please help to convince me using the evidence. Beesy and Goody have done just that and tirelessly they have posted evidence, trial testimony etc. The open discussion I'd prefer to have
would include discussions of those facts. If you think I might know something like the question about depression ,that was a good one looking to see if Darlie exhibited mental health issues early on is good investigative practices. That I don't mind. This site has a lot of information and lots of links the other posters found too.

I have looked at many theories and even wrote a scenario with crack heads as the perps, I didn't try to tie too much evidence into it as I wanted to see if it could be played out possibly. Goody and beesy pointed out several problems with my scenario like how could anyone get thru that garage with no light.
I guess I would have to check the moon chart to see how much moonlight was available and the exact position of the moon at the time of the murders. The garage was one wall of windows, lots of ability to let in light. I didn't do a complete job in my scenario and their questions or doubts made me realize their is a lot more to just having a theory you have to be able to answer everything. This place will make you put your thinking cap on. We walk it out, talk it out, play it out until all the pieces fit. Yes, thank you very much Jane. I'll try to help all I can. Snooty caused some tension, but we don't need to worry about that anymore, thanks to Jeana.

Jeana (DP)
02-16-2006, 06:30 PM
Yes, thank you very much Jane. I'll try to help all I can. Snooty caused some tension, but we don't need to worry about that anymore, thanks to Jeana.


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Goody
02-17-2006, 12:40 AM
Yes, I was, and yes, I felt betrayed. How dare she look at us and bat her eyes, knowing what she did? Darin too, he's worse I think. Protecting her! It's disgusting! When I came here I had already faced her guilt, but when I read Chris' book before coming here, he had me, he nearly had me.
That is what a poster at GAC did to me in the beginning....leading me on one step at at time, always promising earth shattering evidence to prove she was innocent and it was all exaggerations and misrepresentations of the truth. But when I finally figured it out, I went right back to GAC and ate a big pile of crow...just ask Mary, she was there. LOL! But as mad as I was at him, I was disappointed in Darlie because I truly wanted her to be innocent so I could champion a just cause. I hated having to admit I had determined her guilty. So never let it be said that Goody can't admit it when she is wrong.

justice2
02-17-2006, 11:08 AM
Well, that is interesting. I have always thought of Lubbock as a smaller town than that and sort of isolated away from the rest of the state. Shows how much I know, I guess. But I don't think we have to second guess everything Jane says because Jeana knows who she is and approved her to post here. Can't we just take her at face value for that reason alone?
Yes, Goody, Lubbock is isolated. Backwards, maybe somewhat.

I think all descriptions fit Lubbock, the biggest little town, a college town, rich cotton farmers. When I was growing up we always referred to guys at Texas Tech as **** kickers, pardon my French. So it does have a background of being backwards. And while Texas Tech is not the premier university in the state like Texas A&M or University of Texas, it's become fairly progressive. And I think it is the main economic engine for the town, and I think it is like many towns in that the separation between the have and have not is pretty big. There are a lot of small farming communities around that feed the economic engine also, but probably not so much so everybody has a Walmart these days.

And I think the cotton has become a big deal since Levi's (or some major corporation) put together a coop and a manufacturing plant in Leveland which is near by. Don't quote me on this stuff; I'm very vague on the details. But in other words the cotton industry has the backing of a major corporation.

And it part of the Bible belt so you need to take that into consideration.

This is all my opinions and observations from a distant, even more backwards town. I have never lived there.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-17-2006, 08:59 PM
It isn't a bad place to live but we are different. In order to purchase a 6 pack you will need to leave the city and go to the strip as we call it. A strip of liqueur stores awaits you south of town. There is only alcohol sold in restaurants and bars by the drink. Any package sales must go to the strip.
Cotton is the major industry but one of our bigger little towns has a beef processing plant. The Levi's factory is also in Roswell or was they opened and closed it opened it again in my lifetime. We also have a great deal of cowboy culture in our museums, art, history,. Texas Tech has one of the largest campus's in the world as their farming lands and agriculture college is great.

justice2
02-17-2006, 09:04 PM
It isn't a bad place to live but we are different. In order to purchase a 6 pack you will need to leave the city and go to the strip as we call it. A strip of liqueur stores awaits you south of town. There is only alcohol sold in restaurants and bars by the drink. Any package sales must go to the strip.
Cotton is the major industry but one of our bigger little towns has a beef processing plant. The Levi's factory is also in Roswell or was they opened and closed it opened it again in my lifetime. We also have a great deal of cowboy culture in our museums, art, history,. Texas Tech has one of the largest campus's in the world as their farming lands and agriculture college is great.Wow, I did not realize that yall were dry. Wow. Where do all the college kids go to drink. Nothing like old TAMU where I think there is the largest consumption of alcohol in the US (don't quote me, but something along that lines)

Like I said familiar but don't live there. Don't worry about different, my town's weirder than yours.

beesy
02-18-2006, 01:42 AM
Ok guys, I call a headstone and a marker the same thing, a headstone. It's placed at the head of the grave ... I'll have to watch the videos again and find where they show the grave. You can see the airplane in the one at find a grave. I'll let you know if the one in the video is different from this one. I call a headstone one of those great big stones that is upright. The Routier boys' is a marker. I can barely see the airplane and what looks like the wheel of a motorcycle. I also see something which to me looks the NAZI iron cross, but I have bad eyes so...I'm sure I'm wrong

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-18-2006, 09:43 PM
Wow, I did not realize that yall were dry. Wow. Where do all the college kids go to drink. Nothing like old TAMU where I think there is the largest consumption of alcohol in the US (don't quote me, but something along that lines)

Like I said familiar but don't live there. Don't worry about different, my town's weirder than yours.
They must go to the bar , the club, the pub or even the honky tonk. Yes they can drink at a restaurant too.

Yes we have high insurance rates as we have a lot of DWI's, putting alcohol out of the easy reach of "decent people" is really how to prevent crime and keep people safe on the road.
It makes sense -make people drive somewhere to drink and abandon their vehicles there, we will depend upon the kindness of your friends and others to prevent you from driving. If you stagger around in public you will get a PI so calling a taxi is the best bet or getting a ride home. Our city fathers don't think people can walk to the neighborhood conveince store and purchase package alcohol without causing more havok than I listed by driving to a bar. The funniest thing about all this I don't even drink and it makes no sense to me.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-18-2006, 09:47 PM
I call a headstone one of those great big stones that is upright. The Routier boys' is a marker. I can barely see the airplane and what looks like the wheel of a motorcycle. I also see something which to me looks the NAZI iron cross, but I have bad eyes so...I'm sure I'm wrong
Beesy come see me I'll fix you up. Sounds like you need no line bifocals, I have been in them for 3 yrs. Love em can see near, far and in between.
Don't let them talk you into a little bitty frame either. Have the bottom fall right above your chhekbone, plenty of comfortable room for all that transcript reading.

beesy
02-18-2006, 10:23 PM
Beesy come see me I'll fix you up. Sounds like you need no line bifocals, I have been in them for 3 yrs. Love em can see near, far and in between.
Don't let them talk you into a little bitty frame either. Have the bottom fall right above your chhekbone, plenty of comfortable room for all that transcript reading. What do you see on the grave marker? I do have really bad eyesight, but it's corrected to 20/20. My meds make my eyes constantly blurry and I don't know if bifocals would help with that, would they? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_10_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ)

justice2
02-18-2006, 10:37 PM
What do you see on the grave marker? I do have really bad eyesight, but it's corrected to 20/20. My meds make my eyes constantly blurry and I don't know if bifocals would help with that, would they? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_10_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ)On one of the medias on justicefordarlie towards the end it has Darin and Drake at the grave site and Darin goes to the left side which is Damon and ask Drake what this is and Drake says motorcyle. Can't really see the marker though.

I look and see if I can identify anything else.

Texana
02-18-2006, 10:41 PM
Wow, I did not realize that yall were dry. Wow. Where do all the college kids go to drink. Nothing like old TAMU where I think there is the largest consumption of alcohol in the US (don't quote me, but something along that lines)
.

Now you know there's no way TAMU can beat Sixth Street for alcohol consumption, since that attracts all the OTHER universities in Texas as well as TU/UT...
:slap:

justice2
02-18-2006, 10:45 PM
OK, motorycycle above Damon's name and airplane above Devon's name.

There is a cross on the left side of the large ROUTIER in the middle. It kinda looks like an angel. So I guess it is the type of cross your were talking about earlier. Also, the dates are hard to read.

LEFT:
DAMON CHRISTIAN
February 19, 1991
June 6, 1996

RIGHT:
DEVON RUSH
June 14, 1989
June 6, 1996

CENTER:
ROUTIER
Devon and Damon Holding Hands
Through Life And Into Heaven
Now They Are Angels Playing Together

justice2
02-18-2006, 10:49 PM
Now you know there's no way TAMU can beat Sixth Street for alcohol consumption, since that attracts all the OTHER universities in Texas as well as TU/UT...
:slap:
Oddly enough I don't drink so I'm probably not the one to even debate this.

But you're probably right. Seems like there is another school that down that way that not as big, but is REALLY known for being a party school. San Marcos?

Texana
02-18-2006, 10:50 PM
Yes, Goody, Lubbock is isolated. Backwards, maybe somewhat.

I think all descriptions fit Lubbock, the biggest little town, a college town, rich cotton farmers. .

Which makes it not much different than Waco...or Richmond...or Denton.

Except for the isolation factor. There's a lot more miles of highway around Lubbock and not much else. My brother told me before I picked my college, "Go to UT and get lonely or homesick, and you have A&M or home. Go to Baylor and get homesick, and you have UT or A&M or Dallas. But go to Lubbock/Texas Tech and you have...nothing." (All the other colleges are within a couple of hours of college towns or major cities.)

The thing about growing up in such a town is, you tend to grow up thinking favors given on the basis of old friends and people-who-knew-you-when, will last forever. That's the biggest difference I've seen in people who grew up in the smaller towns of Texas, and those who grew up in the bigger cities.

That among so many other things, was a factor with Darlie.

justice2
02-18-2006, 10:51 PM
They must go to the bar , the club, the pub or even the honky tonk. Yes they can drink at a restaurant too.

Yes we have high insurance rates as we have a lot of DWI's, putting alcohol out of the easy reach of "decent people" is really how to prevent crime and keep people safe on the road.
It makes sense -make people drive somewhere to drink and abandon their vehicles there, we will depend upon the kindness of your friends and others to prevent you from driving. If you stagger around in public you will get a PI so calling a taxi is the best bet or getting a ride home. Our city fathers don't think people can walk to the neighborhood conveince store and purchase package alcohol without causing more havok than I listed by driving to a bar. The funniest thing about all this I don't even drink and it makes no sense to me.I'll agree on that. And yeah I don't drink either.

There is just so much money to be made that usually that wins out over anything else, sensible or not.

beesy
02-19-2006, 12:37 AM
OK, motorycycle above Damon's name and airplane above Devon's name.

There is a cross on the left side of the large ROUTIER in the middle. It kinda looks like an angel. So I guess it is the type of cross your were talking about earlier. Also, the dates are hard to read.

LEFT:
DAMON CHRISTIAN
February 19, 1991
June 6, 1996

RIGHT:
DEVON RUSH
June 14, 1989
June 6, 1996

CENTER:
ROUTIER
Devon and Damon Holding Hands
Through Life And Into Heaven
Now They Are Angels Playing Together Yeah, that's the one on Find a Grave. The picture just cuts off the motorcycle. I don't call that a headstone. It's just a little metal thing.

txsvicki
02-19-2006, 05:41 AM
Yes, Goody, Lubbock is isolated. Backwards, maybe somewhat.

I think all descriptions fit Lubbock, the biggest little town, a college town, rich cotton farmers. When I was growing up we always referred to guys at Texas Tech as **** kickers, pardon my French. So it does have a background of being backwards. And while Texas Tech is not the premier university in the state like Texas A&M or University of Texas, it's become fairly progressive. And I think it is the main economic engine for the town, and I think it is like many towns in that the separation between the have and have not is pretty big. There are a lot of small farming communities around that feed the economic engine also, but probably not so much so everybody has a Walmart these days.

And I think the cotton has become a big deal since Levi's (or some major corporation) put together a coop and a manufacturing plant in Leveland which is near by. Don't quote me on this stuff; I'm very vague on the details. But in other words the cotton industry has the backing of a major corporation.

And it part of the Bible belt so you need to take that into consideration.

This is all my opinions and observations from a distant, even more backwards town. I have never lived there.

Being in the Bible belt didn't do Darlie much good.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-19-2006, 10:04 AM
What do you see on the grave marker? I do have really bad eyesight, but it's corrected to 20/20. My meds make my eyes constantly blurry and I don't know if bifocals would help with that, would they? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_10_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ)Dont know what meds you are on or why. Diabetics need to keep their sugar level. If you are not level your eyes tell you as quick as a stick does. Test yourself when experiencing eye sight changes. Bifocals will help with the up close to computer range only. If you see your eye doctor ask him to test you for bifocals, very important--- show him where you hold a book or tell him you do at of computer work. The power for your bifocal will be different depending on where you hold stuff to read.

I see a bicyle or motorcycle wheel, an airplane, a cross, but it is hard to tell with the picture I have seen. It was linked to another posters post somewhere in this forum. So many threads, so little time. The names, dates, wording etc.
The cross doesn't look flat to me like it is carved into the plate, it stands kinda outward. Hard to tell if it is part of the marker/headstone or something someone placed there on top of it.
I'll look for more pics too.

beesy
02-19-2006, 07:12 PM
Dont know what meds you are on or why. Diabetics need to keep their sugar level. If you are not level your eyes tell you as quick as a stick does. Test yourself when experiencing eye sight changes. Bifocals will help with the up close to computer range only. If you see your eye doctor ask him to test you for bifocals, very important--- show him where you hold a book or tell him you do at of computer work. The power for your bifocal will be different depending on where you hold stuff to read I don't have diabetes, but I'm sure if I did, I would know how to take care of myself. I am on Lamictal and Ativan for seizure control, Paxil, Labatelol for high BP, and Zetia for high cholesterol. I sustained kidney damage from toximia during my last pregnancy, but it is not diabetes. It is scarring which makes me spill protein, which in turn makes my other organs work too hard and my BP and cholesterol to go up. Doesn't have anything to do with weight or diet. There is a chance I'm overmedicated, but we cannot play with my seizure meds. It took us 5 years to find the right cocktail and I'm not about to mess with it. The other stuff we do play with and are still working out the kinks. My eyes are mainly blurry a few hours after a dose of the seizure meds. I just live with it, just like any other chronically ill person does.
[QUOTE]I see a bicyle or motorcycle wheel, an airplane, a cross, but it is hard to tell with the picture I have seen. It was linked to another posters post somewhere in this forum. So many threads, so little time. The names, dates, wording etc.
The cross doesn't look flat to me like it is carved into the plate, it stands kinda outward. Hard to tell if it is part of the marker/headstone or something someone placed there on top of it.
I'll look for more pics too.
Yeah, that's what I see too on the Find A Grave site that I posted. People were saying there was a large double headstone so I was confused. Just different names in different areas, I suppose. I still think that cross looks the iron cross, not a regular Christian cross.

Goody
02-19-2006, 07:27 PM
What do you see on the grave marker? I do have really bad eyesight, but it's corrected to 20/20. My meds make my eyes constantly blurry and I don't know if bifocals would help with that, would they? http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_10_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ)
No. You want to have your eyes checked for cataracts. Some meds cause them,

beesy
02-19-2006, 07:34 PM
No. You want to have your eyes checked for cataracts. Some meds cause them, I don't have cataracts, as of yet, at least. I go to the eye doc every 6 months and I just had my appointment last month. I've worn glasses since I was 11 and my eyesight leveled out for a long time, but has worsened as I get older. But, thank you dear Goody

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-19-2006, 10:18 PM
I don't have diabetes, but I'm sure if I did, I would know how to take care of myself. I am on Lamictal and Ativan for seizure control, Paxil, Labatelol for high BP, and Zetia for high cholesterol. I sustained kidney damage from toximia during my last pregnancy, but it is not diabetes. It is scarring which makes me spill protein, which in turn makes my other organs work too hard and my BP and cholesterol to go up. Doesn't have anything to do with weight or diet. There is a chance I'm overmedicated, but we cannot play with my seizure meds. It took us 5 years to find the right cocktail and I'm not about to mess with it. The other stuff we do play with and are still working out the kinks. My eyes are mainly blurry a few hours after a dose of the seizure meds. I just live with it, just like any other chronically ill person does.

Yeah, that's what I see too on the Find A Grave site that I posted. People were saying there was a large double headstone so I was confused. Just different names in different areas, I suppose. I still think that cross looks the iron cross, not a regular Christian cross.
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I think if your bp is high that is also bad for your eyes. Are you near sighted or far sighted. I have worn glasses since 7 first ones were pink cat eyes with the rhinestones in the corners. LOL LOL

beesy
02-20-2006, 12:05 AM
I think if your bp is high that is also bad for your eyes. Are you near sighted or far sighted. I have worn glasses since 7 first ones were pink cat eyes with the rhinestones in the corners. LOL LOL I am near-sighted. My contact lens Rx is -8.50 on the right and -8.00 on the left. I'm sure you know how bad that is. My BP is in the normal to low range now so it's not that. If you've ever been drunk http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ) , it's that blurry vision you get when you are wasted. All 3 of my docs have agreed it is a side effect of the meds, the most likely culprit being the Ativan. So I have a choice of at some points during the day having blurry vision, sleeping it off and still functioning or having seizures which incapacitate me, fry my brain cells and make me dependent on others to drive me to the grocery store. . What would be you choice?
Next time you watch a medical drama and someone seizes listen out and they'll holler for Ativan. Stops a seizure dead in it's tracks, prevents them as well.

gentleheart
02-20-2006, 02:47 AM
Trying to connect some dots...

does anyone know if Darlie is in Dallas now? (perhaps for this hearing??)

TIA

Jeana (DP)
02-20-2006, 11:06 AM
Being in the Bible belt didn't do Darlie much good.


Yeah, those Bible thumpers don't take too kindly to women who butcher their little boys in their sleep, do they?

enigma
02-20-2006, 11:30 AM
Trying to connect some dots...

does anyone know if Darlie is in Dallas now? (perhaps for this hearing??)

TIAyes, Darlie is in Dallas. They are waiting for a new hearing date.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-20-2006, 11:33 AM
I am near-sighted. My contact lens Rx is -8.50 on the right and -8.00 on the left. I'm sure you know how bad that is. My BP is in the normal to low range now so it's not that. If you've ever been drunk http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ) , it's that blurry vision you get when you are wasted. All 3 of my docs have agreed it is a side effect of the meds, the most likely culprit being the Ativan. So I have a choice of at some points during the day having blurry vision, sleeping it off and still functioning or having seizures which incapacitate me, fry my brain cells and make me dependent on others to drive me to the grocery store. . What would be you choice?
Next time you watch a medical drama and someone seizes listen out and they'll holler for Ativan. Stops a seizure dead in it's tracks, prevents them as well. Your contact lens Rx is usally lower than your glasses as the contact sits on your eye and the glasses out from the eye. You are blind without your contacts girl. I am not that bad off yet, -3.00 sp and -250 cyl same each eye with an add of +175.
To help prevent cataracts wear 100 % uv, uva, filtered sunglasses whenever you are outside. Excessive exposure to uv's has been shown to speed up the formation of cataracts.
If it helps take out 1 contact to read your near vision is all you have left and without a contact lens your eye will go back to focusing the way it is built to do small stuff up close only. Be careful as some people cannot handle mono vision if it makes you sick in the least don't do it as I don't want you seizing. The actual getting used to doing this happens not in the eye but the cortex of the brain. Thats why If you try this be careful and stop if you feel in the least unwell. Your meds are pretty powerful and you don't have a choice seizing is not to be played with.

beesy
02-20-2006, 11:52 AM
Your contact lens Rx is usally lower than your glasses as the contact sits on your eye and the glasses out from the eye. You are blind without your contacts girl. I am not that bad off yet, -3.00 sp and -250 cyl same each eye with an add of +175.
To help prevent cataracts wear 100 % uv, uva, filtered sunglasses whenever you are outside. Excessive exposure to uv's has been shown to speed up the formation of cataracts.
If it helps take out 1 contact to read your near vision is all you have left and without a contact lens your eye will go back to focusing the way it is built to do small stuff up close only. Be careful as some people cannot handle mono vision if it makes you sick in the least don't do it as I don't want you seizing. The actual getting used to doing this happens not in the eye but the cortex of the brain. Thats why If you try this be careful and stop if you feel in the least unwell. Your meds are pretty powerful and you don't have a choice seizing is not to be played with.Told ya I have bad eyesight! I hate my glasses because I don't like how I have to turn my head to see, instead of just my eyes. If I had better eyesight, I probably wouldn't mind. I've got all that uv stuff and I can't even go outside without very good UV glasses, i. e. expensive. Kenny laughs because they are as dark as old lady sunglasses. :cool: I could never take one contact out like that. It would just make everything too freaky and make me feel "seizerish"(my own word). Thanks for all your suggestions, but I think it is what it is. Like right now my vision is fine. Once the Ativan kicks in, it will get blurry again.

CJMajor_215
02-20-2006, 11:55 AM
I agree. Darlie is definitely guilty...she should BURN.

G.I.RattlesnakeJane
02-20-2006, 12:06 PM
I agree. Darlie is definitely guilty...she should BURN.Be careful what you wish for ........... to quote another posters sign.

I posted about letting child killers out into bear country where Timothy Treadway the naturalist got eaten. Posters thought it cruel and unusual punishment.

Burning at the stake isn't that kinda medieval, reserved for witches and stuff.

Jeana (DP)
02-20-2006, 12:14 PM
Be careful what you wish for ........... to quote another posters sign.

I posted about letting child killers out into bear country where Timothy Treadway the naturalist got eaten. Posters thought it cruel and unusual punishment.

Burning at the stake isn't that kinda medieval, reserved for witches and stuff.


Darlin, I don't think we have any of the "cruel and unusual punishment" worry warts posting here, so please feel free to suggest this for child killers. :)

gentleheart
02-20-2006, 02:42 PM
yes, Darlie is in Dallas. They are waiting for a new hearing date.
Thanks for your answer. I've long suspected a particular poster on another site is a penpal who has fallen in love with Darlie and this was another piece of the puzzle. (And, it appears that I'm right...)

Thanks again,

Gentleheart

proadvocate
02-20-2006, 05:30 PM
Be careful what you wish for ........... to quote another posters sign.

I posted about letting child killers out into bear country where Timothy Treadway the naturalist got eaten. Posters thought it cruel and unusual punishment.

Burning at the stake isn't that kinda medieval, reserved for witches and stuff.
I agree with them too.It is cruel and unusual to force bears to dine on such crap.:snooty:

beesy
02-20-2006, 05:45 PM
I agree with them too.It is cruel and unusual to force bears to dine on such crap.:snooty: Poor bears they'll get tummy aches! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_14_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)

beesy
02-20-2006, 05:49 PM
Wow, I did not realize that yall were dry. Wow. Where do all the college kids go to drink. Nothing like old TAMU where I think there is the largest consumption of alcohol in the US (don't quote me, but something along that lines)

Like I said familiar but don't live there. Don't worry about different, my town's weirder than yours. Garland, right outside of Dallas, is dry too. Ain't no dry places in good ol' Virginny! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/6/6_5_46.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_1_140.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)

Jeana (DP)
02-20-2006, 06:15 PM
Garland, right outside of Dallas, is dry too. Ain't no dry places in good ol' Virginny! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/6/6_5_46.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS) http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_1_140.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)


We do live in Dry areas, but I can either stop on my way home from work or drive five minutes past my house and buy liquor. HOWEVER, we still can't buy liquor on Sundays. Only beer or wine. :blowkiss:

beesy
02-20-2006, 06:16 PM
[QUOTE]No, she skipped over that one at the scene when she kept screaming my kids are dying and they are dead. When my son died, I couldn't even say the word "dead". (I was about Darlie's age, btw, and he was Devon's age.) No matter how badly a child is injured, parents don't automatically jump to the conclusion that they are gone. We expect medical people to perform miracles. Sorry, but there is no excuse under the sun that can explain away what she was doing that day or where her head was at
Goody, I was just re-reading some of the posts and wanted to comment here. It didn't even dawn on me until you said it, but I never said "my baby is dead" to 911. I said "my baby's not breathing". I knew he was dead because he had already gone a few mins without breathing, but I did not say that. That's denial, screaming "they're dying, they're dead," is not denial One time she said "they're barely breathing." I wonder what I would have said, god forbid. Moms, what do you think you have said to 911 about Devon and Damon that night? I had forgotten all about this Goody. Even when I got to the hospital, I said "have they called it yet?" I didn't ask if he was dead, I used doctor jargon. The first time I had to say "died" was when I called my mother who was out of town. I said "Danny died". There didn't seem to be any other way to say it. Your boy was hit by a car, right? I'm so sorry love.

What it does show is acceptance, the same acceptance shown on the night of the murders. Acceptance that was much, much too early. And that, my friend, indicates the parent has come to terms with the death BEFORE it happened
Well, she had just won the lottery. She didn't get a bundle of cash all at once, but she got years of not having to buy clothes and food and toys and school books and more water for the hot tub and on and on and on.......She won the freedom of not having to keep up with up 2 little boys.

Goody
02-20-2006, 07:35 PM
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Goody, I was just re-reading some of the posts and wanted to comment here. It didn't even dawn on me until you said it, but I never said "my baby is dead" to 911. I said "my baby's not breathing". I knew he was dead because he had already gone a few mins without breathing, but I did not say that. That's denial, screaming "they're dying, they're dead," is not denial One time she said "they're barely breathing." I wonder what I would have said, god forbid. Moms, what do you think you have said to 911 about Devon and Damon that night? I had forgotten all about this Goody. Even when I got to the hospital, I said "have they called it yet?" I didn't ask if he was dead, I used doctor jargon. The first time I had to say "died" was when I called my mother who was out of town. I said "Danny died". There didn't seem to be any other way to say it. Your boy was hit by a car, right? I'm so sorry love.


Life happens, beesy, whether we like it or not, and it was a long, long time ago. But thank you for your concerns. I don't have any doubt at all that if I woke to find my children bloody and dying right before my eyes that i would not let them know how badly they were injured. I would be telling them that help was on the way. I'd be down on the floor with at least one of them doing what I could for him if it was only to give him a reason to live. I sure wouldn't be talking about death even if it was my greatest fear. Darlie's generation is more desensitized than mine, but still. I don't think it proves guilt but it sure supports it once the decision is made.

txsvicki
02-21-2006, 01:47 AM
I saw one of mine all bloody and unconscious once. I was down on the ground with her and crying, telling the people who told me that she couldn't hear me to shut up, telling her that it would be okay that God would take care of her, having to be picked up off the ground, then went into sort of a shock and didn't cry any more. She was okay thank goodness.

AussieLela
02-21-2006, 08:34 AM
Once again Darlie has made me see how much I love and cherish my children. To love and hold and cloth and bath and feed them is all a mother could want.... Explains alot for her....
And once again she has made me cry from the depths of my hearts for the 2 little darlings that didnt have mummy there to hold their hands when they most needed it.......
DARLIE . MAY YOU ROT IN HELL AND REMEMBER IT FOR ETERNITY.............
They will come for you , and it wont be pretty................:behindbar :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

beesy
02-21-2006, 08:42 AM
We do live in Dry areas, but I can either stop on my way home from work or drive five minutes past my house and buy liquor. HOWEVER, we still can't buy liquor on Sundays. Only beer or wine. :blowkiss: Liquor stores are closed here on Sundays as well. Doesn't make sense to me, but them's the rules. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_4_118.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)

beesy
02-21-2006, 08:51 AM
Once again Darlie has made me see how much I love and cherish my children. To love and hold and cloth and bath and feed them is all a mother could want.... Explains alot for her....
And once again she has made me cry from the depths of my hearts for the 2 little darlings that didnt have mummy there to hold their hands when they most needed it.......
DARLIE . MAY YOU ROT IN HELL AND REMEMBER IT FOR ETERNITY.............
They will come for you , and it wont be pretty................:behindbar :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :behindbar :behindbar :behindbar :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: I fussed at my 6 yr old this morning because she was taking forever to get ready and I didn't want her to miss the bus. Then I thought "what am I doing? Who cares if I have to drive them in?" We made up before she left and I even sent a little love note in her lunchbox. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_10_1.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZS)
I don't think those boys ever had an unselfish loving mother. She'll get hers, don't worry.

beesy
02-21-2006, 09:00 AM
I saw one of mine all bloody and unconscious once. I was down on the ground with her and crying, telling the people who told me that she couldn't hear me to shut up, telling her that it would be okay that God would take care of her, having to be picked up off the ground, then went into sort of a shock and didn't cry any more. She was okay thank goodness.That's all I ask of Darlie. Not to render first aid, but to get down on the floor and say "help is coming, I love you".
What happened to your daughter, if you don't mind saying? I stopped crying at some point too. By the time we got to the hospital, I think. I remember having to be supported and staggering around. It was weird, my husband and I didn't comfort each other. He had his circle of friends hovering over him and I had mine. Later, I realized we were of no comfort to one another at that time.
Darlie was able to get up off the steps where she was sitting and get onto the stretcher by herself. She certainly had enough strength to get down on the floor with Damon.

deanws
02-21-2006, 07:49 PM
I am near-sighted. My contact lens Rx is -8.50 on the right and -8.00 on the left. I'm sure you know how bad that is. My BP is in the normal to low range now so it's not that. If you've ever been drunk http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_7_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZZ) , it's that blurry vision you get when you are wasted. All 3 of my docs have agreed it is a side effect of the meds, the most likely culprit being the Ativan. So I have a choice of at some points during the day having blurry vision, sleeping it off and still functioning or having seizures which incapacitate me, fry my brain cells and make me dependent on others to drive me to the grocery store. . What would be you choice?
Next time you watch a medical drama and someone seizes listen out and they'll holler for Ativan. Stops a seizure dead in it's tracks, prevents them as well. Girlfriend.....you are blind. :eek: My daughter is bad too. Can't find the toilet without her glasses or contacts. :o

txsvicki
02-22-2006, 02:57 AM
That's all I ask of Darlie. Not to render first aid, but to get down on the floor and say "help is coming, I love you".
What happened to your daughter, if you don't mind saying? I stopped crying at some point too. By the time we got to the hospital, I think. I remember having to be supported and staggering around. It was weird, my husband and I didn't comfort each other. He had his circle of friends hovering over him and I had mine. Later, I realized we were of no comfort to one another at that time.
Darlie was able to get up off the steps where she was sitting and get onto the stretcher by herself. She certainly had enough strength to get down on the floor with Damon.



My daughter was hit by a car while visiting her friend. The other girl called me and I was able to get there. I ran out like a wild woman barefooted and got to the scene, left my car there and ended up in some little tiny room off the waiting room. At the end before leaving in the ambulance, my friend who showed up was really hysterical and I was just in a daze like a zombie.

Goody
02-23-2006, 02:07 AM
My daughter was hit by a car while visiting her friend. The other girl called me and I was able to get there. I ran out like a wild woman barefooted and got to the scene, left my car there and ended up in some little tiny room off the waiting room. At the end before leaving in the ambulance, my friend who showed up was really hysterical and I was just in a daze like a zombie.
That would be shock. Not the physical kind, but the emotional kind. Been there, done that, too. But Darlie was hardly a zombie. Being detached or indifferent is not the same thing as going into some kind of emotional shock.

Sorry to hear about your daughter's accident but glad that she is okay now. My son was hit by a car at age 6 but he did not survive.

cami
02-26-2006, 03:29 PM
There is a picture of the cemetary on that same link and you can see headstones. I never said anything about there being a headstone. Where my grandfather is buried they only allow markers, but not so where Damon and Darin are. Anyway, I've never seen this one justice and Goody are talking about and I looked on several different sites. I don't know how old the picture on Find a Grave is.

I just saw it in that new programme I just watched. It's a flat marker, it had a bouquet of roses on it. In the right top corner is an airplane and in the left a motorcycle. Damon and Devon together forever it reads.