Women who have murdered their husbands!

[Pepper]

Far more men then women are arrested and convicted for murdering their spouse or significant other. But women also murder their spouses. Do you think they are more likely to get away with it? I think women who murder are far more cunning then men. They often use poison or some non violent (i.e. bloody) means of committing the crime. And when they are caught, their sentences are often far less than men receive for a similar crime. Sometimes this is warranted because of physical abuse from the husband, and sometimes not.

http://www.glennsacks.com/domestic_violence_a_2.htm :

Nor do husbands murder their wives significantly more than wives murder their husbands. A 1994 Department of Justice study analyzed 10,000 cases and found that women make up over 40 percent of those charged in familial murders. And because women who murder their husbands tend to use less detectable or traceable methods--such as poisoning (which are often ruled "heart attacks") and hiring others to do the killing (which usually aren't counted as "murders by wives" in official crime statistics), these murders are far less likely to be noticed than murders by men, which are usually committed with guns.


Nonetheless, I thought it would be interesting to list the females who have murdered their husband's or boyfriends:

1. Pamela Smart
2. Betty Broderick
3. Kristin Rossum
3. Clara Harris
4. Lynn Turner - twice! One her husband the other a boyfriend
5. Larissa Schuster

[kellideister]

Interesting post.

[PrayersForMaura]

That information is from 1994. That's about 12 years old. I'm sorry, but I think the information has changed quite a bit. Not saying women don't murder too, but it's far more often that the husband murders the wife.

[Jules]

Clara Harris (local here in Houston - ran hubby over with car)
Francis Newton (who was executed recently)
Jennifer Wright (local here in Houston)

I'll think of more and add...

[Jules]

Velma Barfield
Dorthea Puente
Madeleine Smith
Yvonne Chevallier
Nancy Kissel

[strach304]

I'd be interested in seeing this research that prove these statistics because I know of a big story that was uncovered years ago where the numbers were greatly inflated with homeless people to serve their cause. When so much info was brought to the public during the Laci Peterson case it was reported that most states don't distinguish that a murdered woman was pregnant so even though those calculations weren't included the number of murdered pregnant women are very high.

My daughter told me she saw on a show like dateline or 20/20 don't remember the show but that they claimed many more men go missing every year in this country than women but the media doesn't pick up these stories and report them like they do with females. I don't believe it and again I'd like to see the proof of that. I simply see otherwise and I think when these research groups do their studies they're out to prove what's contrary to common belief and by ommiting certain info it can be molded into what they want the results to be. For instance children and teenagers, male and female I have seen females under the age of 18 listed as adults whereas a 19 year old boy will be classified as a teen.

[KatherineQ]

Strach - by FAR many more men go missing than women. Just look through missing persons sites, it's predominantly men.

[detectivewannabe]

I could be wrong because I haven't put aLOT of thought behind this (still working on my morning coffee) but I think the circumstances of women killing their spouse/sig. other is different than mens. It seems women are scorned and men want to get out of the relationship???????:cool:

[KatherineQ]

I could be wrong because I haven't put aLOT of thought behind this (still working on my morning coffee) but I think the circumstances of women killing their spouse/sig. other is different than mens. It seems women are scorned and men want to get out of the relationship???????:cool:

I think probably more men kill their wives/girlfriends because the women are leaving them. Those ones don't make national news for weeks, because there's no mystery involved and it's just kind of grisly, but that seems to me to be the usual cause.

[detectivewannabe]

I think probably more men kill their wives/girlfriends because the women are leaving them. Those ones don't make national news for weeks, because there's no mystery involved and it's just kind of grisly, but that seems to me to be the usual cause.
You're probably right KQ (like I said, still working on morning coffee) but do you agree with women kill because of being scorned or do you think otherwise? Just curious.

[michelle]

Clara Harris, man i watched the video of her running him over and over, i couldnt believe it, with his daughter in the car!! That was crazy!!

[Jules]

Clara Harris, man i watched the video of her running him over and over, i couldnt believe it, with his daughter in the car!! That was crazy!!

I, too, have seen the video. Gotta say the woman just snapped! Poor thing. How devastated she was to find out he hadn't ended the affair. I really think she was just completely overcome with rage and snapped, however, if the jury had given her a light sentence, men would never walk anywhere..... I just feel so bad for their kids and his daughter who was in the car. She had no business being with Clara for that confrontation anyway.

[michelle]

I, too, have seen the video. Gotta say the woman just snapped! Poor thing. How devastated she was to find out he hadn't ended the affair. I really think she was just completely overcome with rage and snapped, however, if the jury had given her a light sentence, men would never walk anywhere..... I just feel so bad for their kids and his daughter who was in the car. She had no business being with Clara for that confrontation anyway. She still says she didnt know she was running him over. I think she snapped, no doubt! I think she really loved him and her seeing him with that woman at the hotel, well she freaking lost it!

[NewMom2003]

Clara Harris, man i watched the video of her running him over and over, i couldnt believe it, with his daughter in the car!! That was crazy!!

As far as I'm concerned her sentence was way too light. She only got something like 20 years. IMO, she should have life in prison. I understand her rage, but to murder him???? No way.

I remember the day the verdict came in. We were having dinner with friends and one of the wives said she was sad that Clara was convicted at all. This woman was almost in tears over it. She said it was David's fault that he was dead because he was having an affair and he deserved what Clara did to him. I almost came out of my chair at her because I had never heard something so profoundly stupid come out of her mouth. My husband literally held my legs on my chair with his hands under the table. He could tell I was about to make a scene. Needless to say we don't socialize with this couple anymore. To this day she believes Clara was wrongly convicted. :doh:

I do feel sorry for Clara's children and her step-daughter because they have lost their parents, but this was Clara's doing and she must pay the consequences.

[michelle]

As far as I'm concerned her sentence was way too light. She only got something like 20 years. IMO, she should have life in prison. I understand her rage, but to murder him???? No way.

I remember the day the verdict came in. We were having dinner with friends and one of the wives said she was sad that Clara was convicted at all. This woman was almost in tears over it. She said it was David's fault that he was dead because he was having an affair and he deserved what Clara did to him. I almost came out of my chair at her because I had never heard something so profoundly stupid come out of her mouth. My husband literally held my legs on my chair with his hands under the table. He could tell I was about to make a scene. Needless to say we don't socialize with this couple anymore. To this day she believes Clara was wrongly convicted. :doh:

I do feel sorry for Clara's children and her step-daughter because they have lost their parents, but this was Clara's doing and she must pay the consequences. Oh she deserves to be in jail. But I can understand her rage too, but to run him over with his daughter in the car, she is crazy! Also, I think that betty broderick is right where she belongs too, she was methodical in her killing she took the gun there she knew what she was going to do. I watched that movie the other day on lifetime. I seen it a million times and always seem to watch it when its on, lol...

[NewMom2003]

Oh she deserves to be in jail. But I can understand her rage too, but to run him over with his daughter in the car, she is crazy! Also, I think that betty broderick is right where she belongs too, she was methodical in her killing she took the gun there she knew what she was going to do. I watched that movie the other day on lifetime. I seen it a million times and always seem to watch it when its on, lol...

I agree about Betty. The same woman I talked about in my first post that was sad for Clara also thinks that Betty Broderick is a hero for what she did. She and I have had major debates/discussions about it in the past and I just can't see her logic at all. Yes, both David and Dan were a-holes for having affairs, etc. and yes I understand Clara and Betty's rage. I just don't understand murder as the end result. I just don't get it. Take him to the cleaners, take all his money, ruin his reputation. Anything but murder.

If there was proven abuse or children involved being hurt then I could justify it, but that was not the case for either of these woman.

[michelle]

I agree about Betty. The same woman I talked about in my first post that was sad for Clara also thinks that Betty Broderick is a hero for what she did. She and I have had major debates/discussions about it in the past and I just can't see her logic at all. Yes, both David and Dan were a-holes for having affairs, etc. and yes I understand Clara and Betty's rage. I just don't understand murder as the end result. I just don't get it. Take him to the cleaners, take all his money, ruin his reputation. Anything but murder.

If there was proven abuse or children involved being hurt then I could justify it, but that was not the case for either of these woman. Oh i agree, I would have more satisfaction ruining their reputation and taking them to the bank, especially with the kind of careers that these womans hubbys had. Of course DH and i always joke that we have nothing to take to the cleaners,lol..So that wouldnt work for us. But that woman you are talking about obviously has a warped way of thinking, does she think that OJ is a hero? or other people who murder their spouses??

[Pepper]

I know I said "Emily Harris" in my first post, but I meant Clara Harris!

Anyway, here's another article on it:

http://www.uiowa.edu/~030116/158/articles/dershowitz3.htm

Though O.J. Simpson vehemently denies that he murdered his former wife, his case has provoked a flurry of media attention toward other husbands who kill their wives. Coincidentally with the Simpson case, the Department of Justice has just released the first detailed empirical study of "murder in families." It contains some surprising information, which contrasts sharply with the media headlines.

The most shocking finding of this study--which analyzed nearly ten thousand cases--is that wives murder their husbands far more frequently than press reports would suggest. To put the issue in context, women in general account for only about 10 percent of defendants charged with all murders. But for all spousal murders, women accounted for more than 40 percent of defendants. And "among black marital partners, wives were just about as likely to kill their husbands as husbands were to kill their wives." Not surprisingly, when it comes to parents who kill their children, mothers kill more often than fathers.

[eve]

The doctor who took out my tonsils was murdered by his wife. He came home and she was waiting with a pointed gun. He was fooling around with his nurse, supposedly. Just two years later, my brother and I shrieked when we saw her taking her dog for a walk (she lived in our neighborhood). She was already out after just 2 years.

So in her honor, another for your list: Arlene Gardner

Also, Liysa Mattson
Patricia Allanson

Eve

[Jules]

I agree about Betty. The same woman I talked about in my first post that was sad for Clara also thinks that Betty Broderick is a hero for what she did. She and I have had major debates/discussions about it in the past and I just can't see her logic at all. Yes, both David and Dan were a-holes for having affairs, etc. and yes I understand Clara and Betty's rage. I just don't understand murder as the end result. I just don't get it. Take him to the cleaners, take all his money, ruin his reputation. Anything but murder.

If there was proven abuse or children involved being hurt then I could justify it, but that was not the case for either of these woman.

I don't think it's quite fair to lump Clara in with Betty (I know you're not doing that - just stating that they are entirely different situations). Betty was a bey-otch for a long time and did some really messed up stuff. Clara had one instance where she snapped.

While I would have liked to have seen Clara get a bit lighter sentence (vehicular homicide) as I don't feel her crime was premeditated, I believe the jury did the right thing. I don't believe Clara went there to run him over and kill him. I think her rage had taken over for those few short minutes and she couldn't control herself. I do not think she is a cold-blooded murderer. However, had they given her a lighter sentence, there would be plenty more situations just like hers in the news.

[detectivewannabe]

Back to the list...Phil Hartman's wife

[michelle]

I don't think it's quite fair to lump Clara in with Betty (I know you're not doing that - just stating that they are entirely different situations). Betty was a bey-otch for a long time and did some really messed up stuff. Clara had one instance where she snapped.

While I would have liked to have seen Clara get a bit lighter sentence (vehicular homicide) as I don't feel her crime was premeditated, I believe the jury did the right thing. I don't believe Clara went there to run him over and kill him. I think her rage had taken over for those few short minutes and she couldn't control herself. I do not think she is a cold-blooded murderer. However, had they given her a lighter sentence, there would be plenty more situations just like hers in the news. I dont think clara premeditated it either, betty did. She was a nut, and still is..

[Jules]

I dont think clara premeditated it either, betty did. She was a nut, and still is..

Agreed. She's another whose cheese has slid off her cracker.

[michelle]

Agreed. She's another whose cheese has slid off her cracker.:laugh: LOL...Oh man i haven't heard that one, that is freaking funny!!

[Jules]

:laugh: LOL...Oh man i haven't heard that one, that is freaking funny!!

:angel:

That's my new favorite! :dance:

[NewMom2003]

:laugh: LOL...Oh man i haven't heard that one, that is freaking funny!!

I saw her write it a week or so ago. It's my favorite "Julesism".

And yes, Betty was off her rocker and I do believe Clara just snapped. If she had just run over him the one time, I could go for vehicular homicide, but she ran over him 3 times with his daughter in the car!!!!!

Sorry to all for hijacking the thread to rant about Clara Harris. :truce:

[Jules]

I saw her write it a week or so ago. It's my favorite "Julesism".

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "Julesism"
Cute! :blowkiss:

And yes, Betty was off her rocker and I do believe Clara just snapped. If she had just run over him the one time, I could go for vehicular homicide, but she ran over him 3 times with his daughter in the car!!!!!

I do agree with the bolded part. That was definitely the clincher in her case. Shame - for all involved. :(

[michelle]

Doesnt she still insist though that she didnt know she was running him over and thought it was the curb?

[kellideister]

"in 1993, approximately 575,000 men were arrested for committing violence against women. approximately 49,000 women were arrested for committing violence against men.
American Psychl. Ass'n, Violence and the Family: Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family (1996), p. 10."

http://www.dccadv.org/statistics.htm

"Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17 "

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

"In 2002, 76% of IPV homicide victims were female; 24% were male (Fox and Zawitz 2004)."

IPV stands for Intimate Partner Violence

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/ipvfacts.htm

I had not commented earlier, because quite honestly I was floored with the initial post. Anyway, statistics prove that far more women are murdered by their male partners than men are murdered by their female partners. Yes, women do abuse. Yes, women do kill their husbands. However, the scale is not balanced as some have suggested. It is also a fact that men use physical violence; whereas women will use violence that is not physical. However, I don't think it should be insinuated that women are more 'cunning.' This insinutes that the females crime is worse than the males crime and that is not the case. Both are equally tragic. On my website, I list all deaths and abuse incidents that I hear about, male or female. This is because I know that both are victims of domestic violence. However, it is not on an equal level.

When sharing statistics, it is probably best to share those that are most recent. One of the statistics I list is from 1993. I have chosen that one to coincide with the initial post.

Just my thoughts.

[NewMom2003]

Barbara Stager - Murdered two husbands

http://www.geocities.com/traciy_curry/russ_stager_ron_michaels.html

[Pepper]

Here is an interesting article. It's quite long, but worth reading in its entirety.

http://www.forensicnursemag.com/articles/391lifedeath.html

Women who commit homicide have been documented as killing family members more often than any other type of murder. Usually there is a historical pattern of some type of abuse within the current household; however, past childhood abuse has been linked to a woman’s predisposition to kill. Killings between married couples occur at all states of relations despite social and economic boundaries. In those relationships ending in homicide, one or both of the partners often have been unemployed, therefore struggling financially and frequently under large amounts of stress. Alcohol can be a predisposing factor contributing to these homicides, as well as any history of jealously, marital violence, or past separations.

Typical motives for homicides of husbands center on:

Battering/self defense
Money/financial gain
Jealousy/rage
An undetermined motive or mental illness/personality disorder

In 1976, females murdered more than 1,357 male intimates. In 1993, men were the victims of about 162,870 violent crimes by an intimate partner. In 2000, an intimate partner killed approximately 1,247 women and 440 men. Percentages compiled recently have shown an intimate killed about 4 percent of male murder victims, compared to the average of 33 percent of female murder victims.

Baseline statistics show that on the average, men murdered by intimates dropped 68 percent between 1976 and 2000. From 1993 to 2000, the number of males who were murdered by an intimate remained relatively stable, while the number of female murder victims killed by an intimate slightly increased. The reason is unclear.

[Pepper]

I had not commented earlier, because quite honestly I was floored with the initial post. Anyway, statistics prove that far more women are murdered by their male partners than men are murdered by their female partners. Yes, women do abuse. Yes, women do kill their husbands. However, the scale is not balanced as some have suggested. It is also a fact that men use physical violence; whereas women will use violence that is not physical. However, I don't think it should be insinuated that women are more 'cunning.' This insinutes that the females crime is worse than the males crime and that is not the case. Both are equally tragic. On my website, I list all deaths and abuse incidents that I hear about, male or female. This is because I know that both are victims of domestic violence. However, it is not on an equal level.

When sharing statistics, it is probably best to share those that are most recent. One of the statistics I list is from 1993. I have chosen that one to coincide with the initial post.

Just my thoughts.

Regarding statistics - from what I am able to gleen, murder by a woman of her intimate partner is decreasing, although it appears that the Department of Justice has not published an indepth report since the 1994 study.

For clarification, of course muder is equally tragic, no matter who the victim is. By "cunning" I mean that women are far more prone to use "non-violent" methods such as poison, or staging an accident, as compared to using knives or guns that leave obvious traces. Often in these cases, especially if the victim is past the age of 40, death is deemed to be the result of natural causes, especially if the victim has a medical history of heart disease.

My point is that I believe many more females than males "get away with murder" because of the methods they choose. So maybe they commit the crime more often than the statistics would lead us to believe.

[Pepper]

Back to the list:

Sandy Murphy (live-in girlfriend) killed Ted Binion, casino owner
Jean Harris killed Dr. Herman Tarnower (Scarlsdale Diet author)
Claudine Longet killed Spider Sabich

[vanillasky]

Liysa Northon - murdered husband Chris, Ann Rule wrote a book about the case

Frances Newton - murdered her husband and children in Texas to collect on their insurance policies - she was executed last fall

[michelle]

Back to the list:

Sandy Murphy (live-in girlfriend) killed Ted Binion, casino owner
Jean Harris killed Dr. Herman Tarnower (Scarlsdale Diet author)
Claudine Longet killed Spider Sabich Wasnt Sandy Murphy aquitted?

[kellideister]

Often in these cases, especially if the victim is past the age of 40, death is deemed to be the result of natural causes, especially if the victim has a medical history of heart disease.My point is that I believe many more females than males "get away with murder" because of the methods they choose. So maybe they commit the crime more often than the statistics would lead us to believe.
I think, in this day and age, when an autopsy is done they automatically also do a toxicology. Therefore, that would rule out any deaths that are wrongly classified. Many are now performed using the toxicology tests, so if they were indeed poisoned, it would show up in the tests the labs run. I don't believe, personally, that women 'get away with' murder any more than men do. There are both men and women that kill people and 'hide' it.

I don't know, I'll just agree to disgree. =)

[bbmcrae]

Back onto the topic of women who've done in their hubbys...

Stella Nickell-the Excedrin poisoner

http://nickell.tierranet.com/tales/bruce.htm

[proadvocate]

Betty Beets,executed by Texas for the murder of 2 husbands

[arielilane]

I'd like to add Susan Wright to the list; she murdered her husband.

[arielilane]

As far as I'm concerned her sentence was way too light. She only got something like 20 years. IMO, she should have life in prison. I understand her rage, but to murder him???? No way.

I remember the day the verdict came in. We were having dinner with friends and one of the wives said she was sad that Clara was convicted at all. This woman was almost in tears over it. She said it was David's fault that he was dead because he was having an affair and he deserved what Clara did to him. I almost came out of my chair at her because I had never heard something so profoundly stupid come out of her mouth. My husband literally held my legs on my chair with his hands under the table. He could tell I was about to make a scene. Needless to say we don't socialize with this couple anymore. To this day she believes Clara was wrongly convicted. :doh:

I do feel sorry for Clara's children and her step-daughter because they have lost their parents, but this was Clara's doing and she must pay the consequences.About your friend you no longer socialize with; hopefully her hubby won't go out on her!

[Pepper]

Wasnt Sandy Murphy aquitted?
Sandy Murphy was having an affair with Rick Tabish while living with Binion. Both she and Tabish were convicted in 2000. She was also found to be guilty of wrongful death in the civil trial. Because Binion was a drug user, Murphy and Tabish were awarded a retrial and found not guilty in 2004. However, viewing the American Justice program showing actual film footage of Murphy in the home labeling what was "hers" immediately following the death, and the apparent financial motive, I think the not guilty verdict in the second trial was a technicality based on lack of forensic evidence, and does not mean she didn't commit the crime, ala OJ.

Read the whole story here: http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/binion/index_1.html

[Pepper]

On my first post in this thread I listed as #5 Larissa Schuster. I am interested in this case because it is from my area, though I don't believe it received national attention. We are still awaiting trial, but there is really no doubt that Larissa Schuster, a BIOCHEMIST, committed this horrible crime.

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?fr=ybr_sbc&p=larissa+schuster&u=www.fresnobee.com/local/story/7223286p-8150834c.html&w=larissa+schuster&d=BzruUm1aMRJj&icp=1&.intl=us

In a nutshell, investigators believe her estranged husband Timothy was stunned by a stungun by her and her accomplice James Fagone, and stuffed into a barrel, and then acid was poured over him and the drum sealed. :eek: After he dided and rigor set in, his foot popped open the barrel. In order to seal it again the killers hacked off his foot with a hacksaw! :furious:

Now this is just about the most sick and gruesome killing I have ever heard of!

[KatiesMom]

Francine Hughes - set the bed on fire w/ her husband in it.

Generosa Ammon - had her boyfriend beat her husband to death. She died before there was enough evidence to arrest her.

[SewingDeb]

Marilyn Mahalley had her boyfriend and his friend kill her much older husband for the insurance money. She and her baby were present in the house. She dated my ex husband before I did. He went out with her a couple of times, but had a strange feeling...lucky for him!

Here's her NC record:
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/offend1?DOCNUM=0253757&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=yes

[Pepper]

Here's a list - certainly not as long as the husband murders list, but still shocking and sad.

1. Pamela Smart, the teacher who hired her teenage lover to kill her husband
2. Betty Broderick, murdered her ex-husband and his new wife
3. Kristin Rossum, San Diego beauty kills husband in 2000
4. Clara Harris – runs down cheating husband
5. Lynn Turner - twice! One her husband the other a boyfriend – anti-freeze killings
6. Larissa Schuster, with accomplice killed ex-husband by stuffing him in a barrel and covering him with acid
7. Francis Newton (who was executed recently)
8. Jennifer Wright (local here in Houston)
9. Velma Barfield, executed in 1984
10. Dorthea Puente, killed husband and several boarders to collect Social Security checks
11. Madeleine Smith
12. Yvonne Chevallier, murdered husband in Paris in 1951
13. Nancy Kissel, kills banker husband in Hong Kong
14. Arlene Gardner
15. Liysa Mattson Northon, kills pilot husband
16. Patricia Allanson, didn’t kill husband but did kill his parents
17. Brynn Hartman, murdered husband Phil Hartman & committed suicide
18. Barbara Stager, killed 2 husbands!
19. Sandy Murphy (live-in girlfriend) killed Ted Binion, casino owner
20. Jean Harris killed Dr. Herman Tarnower (Scarlsdale Diet author)
21. Claudine Longet, ex-wife of singer Andy Williams killed lover Spider Sabich
22. Stella Nickell, Excedrin murderer who killed husband and an innocent woman
23. Betty Beets, convicted in the 1983 shooting death of her fifth husband
24. Susan Wright, a Texas woman who stabbed her husband to death
25. Francine Hughes, killed abusive husband in 1977
26. Generosa Ammon, with accomplice murders wealthy husband
27. Margaret Rudin, guilty of 1994 murder of millionaire husband
28. Nancy Seaman, a Michigan woman who murdered her husband
29. Della Sutorius, murdered her husband in Cincinnati in 1996
30. Melissa Vanover, a young Cincinnati woman who murdered her older boyfriend in 1998
31. Marie Hilley, an Alabama woman who poisoned her husband and tried to kill her children
32. Sharon Redmond, the Georgia beauty queen who killed her cheating boyfriend
33. Blanche Moore, a North Carolina woman who poisoned her lovers
34. Melanie McGuire, New Jersey woman killed and dismembered her husband in 2004
35. Cathleen Diane Quinn, Rancho Cucamonga woman has accomplice kill husband in 2003
36. Marilyn Mahalley, had her boyfriend and his friend kill her much older husband for the insurance money
37. Susan Polk, charged with murdering husband in 2002

[Jules]

I saw her write it a week or so ago. It's my favorite "Julesism".


I just heard another one I thought was pretty funny - had to share.

Her tray table is not in the upright and locked position. :p

Ok, sorry for hijacking the thread. :truce:

[NewMom2003]

I just heard another one I thought was pretty funny - had to share.

Her tray table is not in the upright and locked position. :p

Ok, sorry for hijacking the thread. :truce:

Love it!!! I'll have to remember that one.

[NewMom2003]

About your friend you no longer socialize with; hopefully her hubby won't go out on her!

You know that has crossed my mind and I've told my hubby and other friends that same thing. I know where to look if anything happens to him.

[drchris]

Mary Ann Cotton (1832 - 73) from County Durham in the UK (where I live!) is believed to have murdered 4 of her 5 husbands - in addition she had an estimated 17 other victims. Her chosen method was poison and her long success says a lot about medical skills in that era. With 21 deaths she was Britains most prolific killer until Dr.Harold Shipman came along.
She was only charged with one murder - Charles Cotton, her last husband. It was the fashion then to only charge one murder. Her hanging was botched and she choked to death very slowly!
She is believed to be Britain's most prolific spouse killer of either sex

[lisafremont]

Susan Polk was convicted.

I would like to add, as I bump this thread up:

Piper Rountree
killed ex-husband Fred Jablin

Melinda Harman and bf Mark Mangelsdorf
killed David Harman

Diane Borchardt
killed husband Ruben

[crypto6]

"in 1993, approximately 575,000 men were arrested for committing violence against women. approximately 49,000 women were arrested for committing violence against men.
American Psychl. Ass'n, Violence and the Family: Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family (1996), p. 10."

http://www.dccadv.org/statistics.htm

"Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17 "

http://endabuse.org/resources/facts/

"In 2002, 76% of IPV homicide victims were female; 24% were male (Fox and Zawitz 2004)."

IPV stands for Intimate Partner Violence

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/ipvfacts.htm

I had not commented earlier, because quite honestly I was floored with the initial post. Anyway, statistics prove that far more women are murdered by their male partners than men are murdered by their female partners. Yes, women do abuse. Yes, women do kill their husbands. However, the scale is not balanced as some have suggested. It is also a fact that men use physical violence; whereas women will use violence that is not physical. However, I don't think it should be insinuated that women are more 'cunning.' This insinutes that the females crime is worse than the males crime and that is not the case. Both are equally tragic. On my website, I list all deaths and abuse incidents that I hear about, male or female. This is because I know that both are victims of domestic violence. However, it is not on an equal level.

When sharing statistics, it is probably best to share those that are most recent. One of the statistics I list is from 1993. I have chosen that one to coincide with the initial post.

Just my thoughts.


Good thoughts and good links. What strach was saying is relevant here: one has to know the methodology and sampling mechanism to evaluate these studies. Many studies have sampling bias, others are mathematically flawed, and some are fabricated. If many more women than men murdering their spouses get away undetected there is a profound sampling bias and the study conclusions above are invalidated.

[nanandjim]

I have been racking my brain to remember the name of the husband who was murdered, I believe, in 2005. I saw the story on Dateline or one of those types of shows probably this past August.

The guy's name was Bob. He had started his own roofing business and had done quite well. He, his wife and children lived in Independence, Kentucky. It seemed like they had a great marriage. Then, he ends up dead.

Well, apparently, there were a lot of secrets. He took his boat to Lake Cumberland without his wife just about every weekend and had wild parties. She apparently was siphoning funds from his accounts at work. I believe that she hadn't paid their taxes in years, and the IRS came a calling.

It was right around this time that she murdered her husband. Some surmise that it was because she didn't want her husband to find out what she was doing with the money and the books. I think the show said that many believe that she has millions hidden somewhere and will retrieve when she is released from prison.

Did anyone see this show?? My question is: What is Bob's last name? What's his wife's name?

[Jean]

Partial quote from nanandjim:

I have been racking my brain to remember the name of the husband who was murdered, I believe, in 2005. I saw the story on Dateline or one of those types of shows probably this past August.

The guy's name was Bob. He had started his own roofing business and had done quite well. He, his wife and children lived in Independence, Kentucky. It seemed like they had a great marriage. Then, he ends up dead.

I remember watching part of that show, their names were:

Amy and Bob Bosley

A Double Life, Missing Millions and Murder

What Secrets Led to a Violent Crime in a Quiet Kentucky Town?

NOTE--(All the info. can be found at the following site)

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=3546142&page=1

[nanandjim]

Partial quote from nanandjim:



I remember watching part of that show, their names were:

Amy and Bob Bosley

A Double Life, Missing Millions and Murder

What Secrets Led to a Violent Crime in a Quiet Kentucky Town?

NOTE--(All the info. can be found at the following site)

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=3546142&page=1
That's it! Thanks so much, Jean. We are moving close to that area. So, I was naturally curious about this case. I wonder how she is going to be able to get to her buried treasure. I would assume that someone will be watching her like a hawk!!

[Love_Mama]

I could be wrong because I haven't put aLOT of thought behind this (still working on my morning coffee) but I think the circumstances of women killing their spouse/sig. other is different than mens. It seems women are scorned and men want to get out of the relationship???????:cool:

I agree!

xxxxxxooo
mama
:blowkiss:

[nanandjim]

I agree!

xxxxxxooo
mama
:blowkiss:
Some women are still killing for that good old-fashioned reason: $$$$

[Love_Mama]

I agree about Betty. The same woman I talked about in my first post that was sad for Clara also thinks that Betty Broderick is a hero for what she did. She and I have had major debates/discussions about it in the past and I just can't see her logic at all. Yes, both David and Dan were a-holes for having affairs, etc. and yes I understand Clara and Betty's rage. I just don't understand murder as the end result. I just don't get it. Take him to the cleaners, take all his money, ruin his reputation. Anything but murder.

If there was proven abuse or children involved being hurt then I could justify it, but that was not the case for either of these woman.

New mom, I knew Betty Broderick, I live in the same town and have talked to her several times....... I knew her children, they were lovely. There are a lot people here in La Jolla that still think she's a hero but we think she should have thought more about her children! NO one here liked her husband and the way he treated her.

I remember I think he told her once, she was old, fat and ugly! THIS IS VERBAL ABUSE......just as bad as physical abuse!

There was actually nothing about Betty you wouldn't like

Betty put her husband Dan through Law AND Medical School school) (a total jerk one the 'good old boys here) They had four children. She was a great mother! One of mine son's best friend's was dating her oldest daughter at the time.

If you know the case.........and the fighting that went on........Dan was living at the their house here and Betty was now in a rental............and the judge awarded her $16,000 a month for expenses.. Sure sounds like alot
:hand: but then again Dan was bringing in $300,000. a month from his lucrative law practice.

When she shot Dan and new wife, he was a multi, multi millionaire!

Her first murder trial ended in a hung jury. Supposedly the foreman of that jury said: "We just wonder why it took her so long"

Anyhow, think she got 2 counts of 2nd degree murder with 32 yrs. to life and I think she'll probably get a parole hearing in about 1911. For her children's sake, I hope she gets out!

xxxxoooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

[nanandjim]

...NO one here liked her husband and the way he treated her...There was actually nothing about Betty you wouldn't like...If you know the case.........and the fighting that went on........Dan was living at the their house here and Betty was now in a rental............and the judge awarded her $16,000 a month for expenses.. Sure sounds like alot
:hand: but then again Dan was bringing in $300,000. a month from his lucrative law practice.
Didn't Dan's new wife, Linda, clip out articles from the paper where she and Dan were at social functions and send them to Betty saying "Eat your heart out" and "You are a fat pig." I thought Linda was doing it, too.

Were Linda and Dan living in Betty's old house??? The one that she decorated and lived with him as husband and wife?? If so, that certainly takes gall on Linda's part.

I could imagine Betty's pain when she went to his office to surprise him on his birthday; and there were remnants of a celebration and Dan had left the office with his paramour, Linda, to celebrate his birthday. Then, when he comes in late at night, he lies about where he has been.

It's one thing to have an affair with the boss and fling yourself at him. It's quite another to rub her face in it. I had read that Betty took care of the children and worked her butt off to put him through school. Why didn't a judge give her half of everything? She certainly deserved it.

I don't advocate murder, but I had mixed feelings about this case. If Betty had come off a little more meek and sympathetic, she may have just gotten a slap on the wrist. They certainly drove her to the brink.

I agree that she should have done what was best for the children, to include not leaving nasty messages on their answering machine.

[Love_Mama]

Also, didn't Dan's new wife, Linda, clip out articles from the paper where she and Dan were at social functions and send them to Betty saying "Eat your heart out" and "You are a fat pig." I thought Linda was doing it, too.

I could imagine Betty's pain when she went to his office to surprise him on his birthday; and there were remnants of a celebration and Dan had left the office with his paramour to celebrate his birthday. I would have been sick about the entire disgusting thing.

It's one thing to have an affair with the boss and fling yourself at him. It's quite another to rub her face in it. I had read that Betty took care of the children and worked her butt off to put him through school. Why didn't a judge give her half of everything? She certainly deserved it.

I don't advocate murder, but I had mixed feelings about this case. If Betty had come off a little more meek and sympathetic, she may have just gotten a slap on the wrist. They certainly drove her to the brink.

I agree that she should have done what was best for the children, to include not leaving nasty messages on their answering machine.

Yes, all the above is true. Now here is the real reason that she didn't get half the house or anything else. Dan was a well known attorney! In this town and I am sure in many others Lawyers' protect lawyers. It's the 'good ole Boy' syndrome. Dan didn't want people to know that he was abusing the legal system to beat down his wife, but it wasn't just Dan. Dan and Linda Broderick relished putting Betty Broderick through hell in the legal system, and of course there was no one to stop them. Dan was President of the Bar Association and had a lot of powerful friends.

xxxxxxxxooooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

[Pepper]

I don't find Betty B. very sympathetic at all. She committed double premeditated murder. No way did that gun just go off! She deserves LWOP, if not death, in my opinion.

Anyone here watch "Snapped" on the Oxygen channel? That series features women who murder. Fascinating!

[Jeana (DP)]

Yes, all the above is true. Now here is the real reason that she didn't get half the house or anything else. Dan was a well known attorney! In this town and I am sure in many others Lawyers' protect lawyers. It's the 'good ole Boy' syndrome. Dan didn't want people to know that he was abusing the legal system to beat down his wife, but it wasn't just Dan. Dan and Linda Broderick relished putting Betty Broderick through hell in the legal system, and of course there was no one to stop them. Dan was President of the Bar Association and had a lot of powerful friends.

xxxxxxxxooooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

You know what, the legal community is that way in every city and while I certainly agree that Dan used his standing to get more than he should have in the divorce, I wish that Betty had taken the Ivana Trump road to revenge and not the road that she took.

:blowkiss:

[lizziedripping]

If my husband doesn't give his mouth a rest........... you'll be adding me to this list pretty soon!!!! :D :D

[philamena]

If my husband doesn't give his mouth a rest........... you'll be adding me to this list pretty soon!!!! :D :D
:crazy::D I know how you feel.

[Samiya]

If my husband doesn't give his mouth a rest........... you'll be adding me to this list pretty soon!!!! :D :D

OMG! I had a very thoughtful reply all worked out then I saw this.

I am laughing so hard, I better get myself to the toilet!

Thank you for making my day.

Sami

[mysteriew]

October is domestic violence awareness month. Take a stand. You can show your support by attendings rallies/meetings/vigils and by wearing purple ribbons. If you have a blog or website you might consider displaying a purple ribbon there.

[Jolynna]

Donna Blanton killed her state trooper husband.

Janet Mercerearu and Meloney Jackson have been recently arrested. They are accused of shooting their husbands while the husbands were defenseless.

Michelle Michael has been convicted for injecting her husband with a paralyzing drug and burning the house down while he was still alive.

Wendi Mae Davidson used animal drugs to kill her husband.

Hazel Head is wanted and on the run trying to escape murder charges for killing her boyfriend.

Sherry Denise Halligan is also wanted for murdering her boyfriend and is on the run.

Rebecca Jo Smith shot and killed her common law husband.

Lona Scott, GA shot and killed her husband Ralph.

[Jolynna]

Sharee Miller, who is about to get married in prison, enticed her internet lover to kill her older, well-insured third husband.


Pamela Mira stabbed her husband in the groin and penis and beat him to death with a sledge hammer.

[weasel]

I didn't know Sharee Miller was about to get out. Scary.

[less0305]

Liysa Northon - murdered husband Chris, Ann Rule wrote a book about the case



I'm reading this book right now and it's VERY Very interesting. Usually I skip ahead or research to find out the outcome - guilty/not guilty, etc. But this time I've purposely held out so that I can read the entire book before I find out the end.

Funny thing tho - if you know anything about THE SECRET - you know, the book and the topic - how coincidential is this!!?? I'm so deep into this book and you know that they lived 1/2 their life or more in Hawaii. Well, I'm coming back to the office and pull into our parking lot and I see this huge SUV parking and it has - get this - HAWAII license plates. Now I live in N.C. - so to see a vehicle here with Hawaii plates is really something else. And I don't live in a major metropolitan area. I live in a rural community with less than 2,500 people. The two guys get out and walk into the POLICE DEPARTMENT. Now how strange is that????!!!!!!!! I'm all into THE SECRET also!!!!!

[Jolynna]

I didn't know Sharee Miller was about to get out. Scary.

She is not getting out. She is getting married behind bars.

The guy saw her on "Snapped" and was instantly attracted. :)

[chronictonic]

Aileen Wuornos Executed. Killed her Johns whilst working as a prositute. Killed them she said, before they could rape her.
Chronic

[scrabble]

Instead of resorting to murder, these women should get out of the marriage.

[JMO8778]

I agree about Betty. The same woman I talked about in my first post that was sad for Clara also thinks that Betty Broderick is a hero for what she did. She and I have had major debates/discussions about it in the past and I just can't see her logic at all. Yes, both David and Dan were a-holes for having affairs, etc. and yes I understand Clara and Betty's rage. I just don't understand murder as the end result. I just don't get it. Take him to the cleaners, take all his money, ruin his reputation. Anything but murder.

If there was proven abuse or children involved being hurt then I could justify it, but that was not the case for either of these woman.I agree.And for starters,the husbands (and the new wife) in these cases were total CADS and none were worth anyone ever spending a day behind bars.I don't know why the wives didn't see it that way,either.I guess blind rage just hits sometimes,and it's all over.

[JMO8778]

New mom, I knew Betty Broderick, I live in the same town and have talked to her several times....... I knew her children, they were lovely. There are a lot people here in La Jolla that still think she's a hero but we think she should have thought more about her children! NO one here liked her husband and the way he treated her.

I remember I think he told her once, she was old, fat and ugly! THIS IS VERBAL ABUSE......just as bad as physical abuse!

There was actually nothing about Betty you wouldn't like

Betty put her husband Dan through Law AND Medical School school) (a total jerk one the 'good old boys here) They had four children. She was a great mother! One of mine son's best friend's was dating her oldest daughter at the time.

If you know the case.........and the fighting that went on........Dan was living at the their house here and Betty was now in a rental............and the judge awarded her $16,000 a month for expenses.. Sure sounds like alot
:hand: but then again Dan was bringing in $300,000. a month from his lucrative law practice.

When she shot Dan and new wife, he was a multi, multi millionaire!

Her first murder trial ended in a hung jury. Supposedly the foreman of that jury said: "We just wonder why it took her so long"

Anyhow, think she got 2 counts of 2nd degree murder with 32 yrs. to life and I think she'll probably get a parole hearing in about 1911. For her children's sake, I hope she gets out!

xxxxoooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:I am sorry but the money does not matter.16k a month is nothing to sneeze at,and first and foremost,Ms Broderick should have thought of her kids.
Not to mention,the cad and his new wife were not worth her seeing the inside of a jail cell.

[scrabble]

I am sorry but the money does not matter.16k a month is nothing to sneeze at,and first and foremost,Ms Broderick should have thought of her kids.
Not to mention,the cad and his new wife were not worth her seeing the inside of a jail cell.

Do you know how the children are doing today and if they have contact with their mother. I hope they were able to move on somewhat in their lives.