Beautiful co-ed murdered #2

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[PonderingThings]

JDB my post, on the other thread should have read THANKS for the response http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/blushing.gif

[PrayersForMaura]

In the meantime, the victim's mother in Boston spoke about today's developments. Maureen Saint Guillen, Victim's Mother: "I think the New York Police Department are doing a terriffic job. The comfort comes really from the support I've been receiving from people everywhere. I was amazed by the outpouring of love and caring that people have shown me and I think that right now I'm in a state of shock. Plus I have to tell you that I've kept it totally separate. I haven't read any papers, I haven't watched any news reports. I don't know all details of it and that's the only way I'm functioning right now."


More: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=3967219


:( Man. Her mother must be strong. I don't know how she is coping after what he daughter has been through. And now what she is going through. I pity her. And I pray for her.

[PrayersForMaura]

In that same article, the bouncer's aunt was wondering why it took 2 days to get a search warrant. Well duh, lady, you can't just walk up and get one like you can buy a lottery ticket. :banghead:

[PonderingThings]

Speaking of what others have been through, my heart goes out to the woman who was raped by the fake taxi cab guy. Imagine her fear and torment thinking that he had done the same, and more, to another woman!

Its great that his sketch was sent out, and hopefully he will be caught... but geez she must have been/is still terrified at "what might have been". http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

Imette's family appears to have much light. They have suffered a huge loss and have remained strong.

[PrayersForMaura]

I still can't believe Mr. Bouncer guy has had a curfew he was supposed to be following for his parole and he wasn't. Don't they have house arrest shackles or something that buzz if you are out too late, or do I just watch too many movies? :doh:

[PrayersForMaura]

"Officials say the bouncer is on parole for drug and robbery convictions. They note he also has a curfew where he is not supposed to be out of his house after 7PM. "

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_065181711.html

[trixie]

On the very "off" chance this guy really didn't do it he's just been thrown into the limelight and all his dirty laundry aired. Is the 7:00 PM curfew the parole violation he is being held for or I thought also it was because he didn't disclose to his employer he is a convicted felon?

[scandi]

What bothers me about the bouncer is he doesn't have a record of sexual perversion, and if he does have this problem it should have reared its ugly head by age 41! That leads me to believe he was in cahoots with someone else who did and that the 2 of them were probably on drugs. A bouncer has his pick at who he wants to buy drugs from as he knows all the action in the bar.

Scandi

[strach304]

Scandi that has been my thoughts for why LE was saying there could be someone else and add to that it was very close to closing time so it's very possible a friend was nearby waiting for him. Now as the investigation continues we may find out other things but at present from what we know the suspect profile doesn't match the crime. There's a missing link so to speak. At 110 lbs he wouldn't have had any trouble carrying her so that isn't why they are suggesting someone else either. Another thing is where that door is everyone keeps calling a hidden door, it's right on the front street. Getting her in without being seen not nearly as difficult as getting her out. Back entrance to an alley possible but still risky so an extra pair of eyes would sure help in getting her out and away from the area she ended up in.

[nanandjim]

Maybe, the bouncer walked Imette out the front door and unlocked the "hidden" door telling Imette that she could stand in the warmth while he hailed her a cab. Once he had her inside the door, he quickly grabbed her and dragged her down a hallway before she knew what was happening to her. It was either an employee from The Falls or someone who lives in that building with access to the basement. One of the articles said that a cat was living in the basement, and cat hairs were found on the blanket in which Imette was wrapped.

I am putting my money on the bouncer doing this crime. I agree with the poster who said that he probably has hit on other young women in the bar. The girl being carded in the photo from The Falls does not look very comfortable. Think about it...You're a girl living alone, and some bouncer sees your address on your id. It is not a comforting feeling...

Hi IM. Hope that you enjoyed the Oscars! :blowkiss:

[JDB]

You know I have been trying to catch up reading about this one during work. Something is not right it is to open and close to point to the bouncer.No record as far as Sex assualt.Parole violation I can see if this was the only job he could get. Some people will do anything to try and get back on thier feet.I am sure others knew there was a basement there.
Try this one on. The bouncer helped her outside and then went to call a cab from inside of the bar. then someone grabbed her in the door and down to the basement.The only thing leading to the bouncer is his cell phone being near where she was found. But as far as I can tell that is all rumors right now.

[Sunshine]

His having no record of sexual assault doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't committed any. Maybe he's just not been caught up to this point.
:confused:

[strach304]

Within 10 minutes people were going to start coming out so that part makes a lot of sense. What I keep coming back to is the brutality of the crime. If it was only about rape to him and of course killing her to silence her it wouldn't bother me so much. I had the same feeling as many here and on the news reports stated that this wasn't a first kill.
Access to the basement? Surely it had a lock but did he have a key?
None of that means he didn't do it just speculating that there's a lot we don't know and I think LE is a little baffled by certain aspects just like us us why they are keeping and open mind and allowing for someone else to have been involved.

[T-Rex]

If this is the guy, that bar-owner is going to be in a world of ****. NYC is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks. Good

MasterJ--agreed. I know that name too.

[strach304]

T-Rex and MasterJ, I had that reaction as soon as I saw his name so that's three of us. I'm gonna ask my daughters because the superheroe ones reminded me of my daughters boyfriend so this may be this name is a rapper or something.

[southerngirl]

His having no record of sexual assault doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't committed any. Maybe he's just not been caught up to this point.
:confused:
Westerfield who killed Danielle Van Dam comes to mind; he was in his 40's and had a couple of DUI's only. Yet he decided in middle-age to kidnap, assault, and murder a 7 year old little girl. Scott Peterson also had no obvious history of violence (that we know of). Yet he murdered his pregnant wife. I think that a violent history is a definite red flag. But I don't believe the opposite is true, i.e. that no history of violence eliminates a suspect from suspicion of a violent act.

[PonderingThings]

I have always felt that Imette knew her killer. It was someone who knew of her studies, and who was attracted to her. I orginally suggested paramedic (because of the shift work) but to me, someone who could give her input into the "psyche" of a criminal would also work.

The bouncer works for me. He has been locked up. He has, no doubt, ill feelings towards his jailers, and the people who put him there. The rage that manifested in the injuries Imette suffered could be the rage he feels at being thwarthed and having to "report" to parole/authorities - she represented it all.

Perhaps he was raped while incarcerated... and took it out on Imette?

[docwho3]

Were his previous crimes enough to have him appear in the DNA database?

[JDB]

His having no record of sexual assault doesn't necessarily mean he hasn't committed any. Maybe he's just not been caught up to this point.
:confused:
Anything is possible.But no marks on his body as far as scratches. And no DNA matches yet. And since he is a Felon they have his DNA

[JDB]

A Thought here could he be an Accesory to the crime and transported her but did not kill her

[ehmadpotter]

T-Rex and MasterJ, I had that reaction as soon as I saw his name so that's three of us. I'm gonna ask my daughters because the superheroe ones reminded me of my daughters boyfriend so this may be this name is a rapper or something.
When I googled "Darryl Littlejohn," I came up with one who is a songwriter and apparently most noted for having written the music for the film A Fine Mess. It's not a household name around my house, but maybe you have heard the name on Entertainment Tongiht or something.

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[PonderingThings]

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27263935.shtml

AP reports that he had been previously arrested and convicted on charges of armed robbery, weapons possession and sale and possession of drugs. He had obtained early release from state prison in New York three times, despite one instance of having violated his parole.

[strach304]

ok he's a songwriter/rapper :dance:
JDB, I might have this wrong but I thought the no scratches report was about a second suspect not the bouncer. They will have taken pics of him after his arrest so we'll see but from the first report it sounded like they meant the bouncer but was clearer in the second report.

[MrsMush99]

A Thought here could he be an Accesory to the crime and transported her but did not kill her

That's what I was thinking JDB. And he made the 911 call so they would find her. I guess we'll know soon enough when the DNA results are in. I heard on the news that it should be by the end of this week.

[PonderingThings]

"Little John" was also one of Robin Hood's men....

[PonderingThings]

There is another possibility that Imette was onto some nefarious deed and doing her own investigation. Perhaps she wasn't as drunk as they are now trying to say she was? Perhaps she was there to observe something... like a shipment... a meeting... a "routine" at closing time.

Some people would do a lot not to go back to prison.

Was Littlejohn the only excon there?

Did they torture her to find out how much she knows/knew? Is that why there is suddenly these new stories from the bar employees?

[MagicRose99]

Within 10 minutes people were going to start coming out so that part makes a lot of sense. What I keep coming back to is the brutality of the crime. If it was only about rape to him and of course killing her to silence her it wouldn't bother me so much. I had the same feeling as many here and on the news reports stated that this wasn't a first kill.
Access to the basement? Surely it had a lock but did he have a key?
None of that means he didn't do it just speculating that there's a lot we don't know and I think LE is a little baffled by certain aspects just like us us why they are keeping and open mind and allowing for someone else to have been involved.
Just a thought... could the brutality, the mutilation, have been because the person was trying to get rid of any DNA that he may have left behind on her?

[JDB]

ok he's a songwriter/rapper :dance:
JDB, I might have this wrong but I thought the no scratches report was about a second suspect not the bouncer. They will have taken pics of him after his arrest so we'll see but from the first report it sounded like they meant the bouncer but was clearer in the second report.
No the report I heard on nancy tonight the bouncer had no marks

[strach304]

When considering the names he used they are all knock offs of someone famous or popular characters however one name he used is a serial killer.

[ehmadpotter]

A Thought here could he be an Accesory to the crime and transported her but did not kill her
I keep wondering about the bogus cabbie that sodomized (forced oral sex in this case) that woman at knifepoint back in mid February. It's interesting to me that this woman was picked up on Jamaica Ave, and that Littlejohn lives in Jamaica, Queens. Very possibly just a coincidence with no connection whatsoever, but I have wondered if Littlejohn knows this bogus cabbie, and perhaps called him from the bar to come give Imette a cut-rate ride home....and then...? He could have even told her that it was the end of his cabbie friend's shift, and he was going in her direction home himself. Or, perhaps he helped dispose of the of body after the fact. Would be interseting to know if Littlejohn had his black van with him that ngiht or if he had taken the subway to work. I also think that in some way, Littlejohn had likely gained Imette's confidence by feeding her the same U.S. Marshall crap he fed his employers.....and that in passing conversations, he had learned of her pursuit of a CJ degree. As someone else stated earlier, that would account for the rage/anger he would likely have as an ex-con toward the whole system. Mayber even in particular toward women in the CJ system. I just hope they are on the right path, and I think they are, and that an arrest really is imminent!!

[dragonfly]

Not sure what the technology is but can they compare the 911 tape to the bouncer voice? If they match they got their man. Not to say he acted alone but it would definately tie him to the crime.

[strach304]

Just a thought... could the brutality, the mutilation, have been because the person was trying to get rid of any DNA that he may have left behind on her?
Well ok then :) Another poster here suggested that about why the hair was cut. That's really good thinking because it gives him a reason for why he did it other than torture, ritual and could have occurred after death (I hope). What do you think about the tape? Sock for a gag and then taped her face shut? I heard of duct tape being used for that but he used what was on hand so...

[PonderingThings]

How far up the "feeding chain" would this guy have to be for the bouncer to dispose of the body?

Another alternative... what if she followed the bouncer, someone else caught her, she scratched that guy, he brought her to the bouncer and the bouncer did the deed?

[docwho3]

Well ok then :) Another poster here suggested that about why the hair was cut. That's really good thinking because it gives him a reason for why he did it other than torture, ritual and could have occurred after death (I hope). What do you think about the tape? Sock for a gag and then taped her face shut? I heard of duct tape being used for that but he used what was on hand so... Whose sock was used?

[PonderingThings]

I think the tape around her head was originally intended to blindfold her so she wouldn't see anything coming. Even if it was "clear" tape, a couple of layers and if she could open her eyes, even a little, she wouldn't be able to see much through it.

A sharp blade, on the scalp, would cut hair on the head.... torture.

[dragonfly]

Whose sock was used?Your mentioning the sock reminded me of an earlier poster who made a similiar point.

There were entirely too many things "at the handy". Let see a sock, shoe laces, plastic ties, a hand held tape dispenser, a bedspread, knives and God know what over instruments of torture. My point this wasn't something that just happened ...an advance that was rejected. No this was a planned event.

[Vet4Bush]

You have to consider the possibility of some mob thing that went bad. The address, 218 Lafayette St, is in Little Italy and there are rumors of mob connections to the address. The place where the body was found is a known mob body dumping ground. Steve Huff has some good reporting on the possible mob connections. Maybe she was doing some investigating on her own and it backfired on her. It wouldn't be the first time the Mob murdered someone sticking their nose into their business.

[JDB]

Your mentioning the sock reminded me of an earlier poster who made a similiar point.

There were entirely too many things "at the handy". Let see a sock, shoe laces, plastic ties, a hand held tape dispenser, a bedspread, knives and God know what over instruments of torture. My point this wasn't something that just happened ...an advance that was rejected. No this was a planned event.
I agree it was not random!!!

[Beyond Belief]

I am sorry for coming in late.

Does the bouncer own or have access to a car? Did he have a car that everning?
I think he knows who did the dirty work, if he didn't participate.
Everytime I ever handled tape it nearly ripped my skin off if it got stuck to my finger. There has to be dna present, they just have to locate it on the tape.

[strach304]

I don't doubt your hearing for a minute JDB nor that it was reported that way but two back to back reports in print around page 25 on up it was reported both ways. I remember it so well because I was really shocked but then the next report was about LE not ruling out that he had an accomplice and they did have one suspect but they asked to see him undressed and he cooperated and had no scratches. I do think he's just as involved if it does out to be two involved because there is no way he would not cooperate and even try to get a deal in his current situation imo.

[docwho3]

Your mentioning the sock reminded me of an earlier poster who made a similiar point.

There were entirely too many things "at the handy". Let see a sock, shoe laces, plastic ties, a hand held tape dispenser, a bedspread, knives and God know what over instruments of torture. My point this wasn't something that just happened ...an advance that was rejected. No this was a planned event. I have no doubt it was planned. Not sure yet whose plan it was but without more evidence I have to go with the one suspect in hand. You are right though, too much seems to have been planned.

[strach304]

I am sorry for coming in late.

Does the bouncer own or have access to a car? Did he have a car that everning?
I think he knows who did the dirty work, if he didn't participate.
Everytime I ever handled tape it nearly ripped my skin off if it got stuck to my finger. There has to be dna present, they just have to locate it on the tape.

Well hello wonderful picture lady, he has a car(black van) and access to either the aunts car or a girlfriend.

[Beyond Belief]

:blushing:


Personally I think he's guilty. I wonder what's under her fingernails.

[WISCer]

I had the thought that the police were using the bouncer as a distraction. Feeding all this info to the media about him in the hopes that the person who did the killing would make a move or slip up.

[CherokeeKid]

A website for Imette created by her friends:

http://justiceforimette.com/index.htm

[southerngirl]

His cell phone placing him near the dump site is suspicious. Plus, he was at the location of her disappearance. I think the odds of the same person being in both places at crucial times is very low, and this appears very circumstantial and incriminating.

[Gracelin]

Folks, I am bothered by the fingernail thing.. why would someone who had so much time with her, leave DNA under her nails? If he did indeed cut her hair to remove DNA, why not her nails?
I wonder if her nails aren't broken from clawing a wall or the ground while trying to escape, and there is no DNA?

[docwho3]

Folks, I am bothered by the fingernail thing.. why would someone who had so much time with her, leave DNA under her nails? If he did indeed cut her hair to remove DNA, why not her nails?
I wonder if her nails aren't broken from clawing a wall or the ground while trying to escape, and there is no DNA? Interesting thought.

[dragonfly]

Folks, I am bothered by the fingernail thing.. why would someone who had so much time with her, leave DNA under her nails? If he did indeed cut her hair to remove DNA, why not her nails?
I wonder if her nails aren't broken from clawing a wall or the ground while trying to escape, and there is no DNA?
no DNA and No scratchs on the perp(s)

[southerngirl]

Folks, I am bothered by the fingernail thing.. why would someone who had so much time with her, leave DNA under her nails? If he did indeed cut her hair to remove DNA, why not her nails?
I wonder if her nails aren't broken from clawing a wall or the ground while trying to escape, and there is no DNA?Probably he's not that bright. He's been caught and convicted for crimes a number of times. I would guess that he just didn't think about what may be under her nails. I also heard a NY reporter say that there are unconfirmed reports of scratches on the bouncer (I think I heard on his neck?)

[nanandjim]

I heard on Fox that there was semen on the blanket. Also, who said that the hair was cut to remove DNA?? That's the first that I have heard of that. :confused:

I think that the bouncer did it and then staged it to throw the suspicion elsewhere.

[strach304]

Whose sock was used?
Don't know but it was reported to be a tube sock so why couldn't it be his the same as the shoelaces? I'm sure I read they do have dna from under her nails to make the comparison not just speculation like we were originally wondering. It was also stated that a condom was used.

[Gracelin]

Also, who said that the hair was cut to remove DNA?? That's the first that I have heard of that. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

It was speculation here on WS and still is..

[docwho3]

Don't know but it was reported to be a tube sock so why couldn't it be his the same as the shoelaces? I'm sure I read they do have dna from under her nails to make the comparison not just speculation like we were originally wondering. It was also stated that a condom was used. The condom is the one thing that bothers me as it seems sloppy to leave it behind and that does not fit with an experienced serial killer or even an organized serial rapist. Maybe this was his first try after all. It almost (but not quite) sounds like he got this cookie cutter plan while he was in prison and decided to use it. I await more info. I think there is more known by L.E. that would explain things that seem odd to us when we read them in the news reports.

[strach304]

If he wasn't carrying a knife he obtained that on the premises as well and a boxcutter would most likely be handy. I have been wondering and still have seen no report on whether Imette had ever been to the Falls before or if this was her very first visit. If she had been there before that opens the possibility to him having fixated on her, I know of what I speak it happens. Then it could be as simple as he's a predator and the opportunity presented itself, she was vulnerable, alone and maybe drunk is why she was the chosen victim.

[southerngirl]

I think tomorrow the forensic evidence will start to roll in and I predict there will be an arrest of the bouncer this week. I think his presence at The Falls as the last one to see her, his cellphone placing him near the dump site, the cat hair (which they can match with the cat that lives in the basement of the building), and his criminal proclivities are all indicators of possible guilt in this crime. I would like to hear more from his girlfriend, the one with the SUV LE wants to seize with a search warrant. Where was she the night Imette disappeared? Was Littlejohn using her vehicle? Or did he use his van that night? I think in a crime this detailed and horrendous, there is probably a boatload of forensic evidence, probably in several locations. He's had a week, though, to get rid of his clothes and clean the vehicle. I think the material (probably DNA) under her nails will be the nail in his cofffin.

[southerngirl]

The condom is the one thing that bothers me as it seems sloppy to leave it behind and that does not fit with an experienced serial killer or even an organized serial rapist. Maybe this was his first try after all. It almost (but not quite) sounds like he got this cookie cutter plan while he was in prison and decided to use it. I await more info. I think there is more known by L.E. that would explain things that seem odd to us when we read them in the news reports.
I'm not necessarily sure that condom belongs to this crime scene. The dumping area was very trashy and a common illegal dump site. I wouldn't think it unusual for there to be a plethora of condoms in an area such as this.

[strach304]

The condom is the one thing that bothers me as it seems sloppy to leave it behind and that does not fit with an experienced serial killer or even an organized serial rapist. Maybe this was his first try after all. It almost (but not quite) sounds like he got this cookie cutter plan while he was in prison and decided to use it. I await more info. I think there is more known by L.E. that would explain things that seem odd to us when we read them in the news reports.

Was a condom actually found? Has that been confirmed? My reference to the condom was stated by LE because no dna was found inside her not because I've seen any confirmation that a condom was found in the basement, as far as I know that is more of a rumor or based on speculation in reports that first started when LE went to search the bar and the info on the basement first started someone said that maybe a condom was found there by someone who phoned in the tip that led LE back to the bar and down to the basement. Haven't seen anything other than hair and fibers mentioned but no clothes or anything really about what took them there and what was removed/found etc.

[strach304]

Also, who said that the hair was cut to remove DNA?? That's the first that I have heard of that. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

It was speculation here on WS and still is..

I said that, a poster suggested it was done for that reason instead of a ritualistic purpose. I think it is a good thought and could be the reason. A trophy was the other banter. In other words there are logical reasons to explain certain aspects that were reasons for the things he did.

[jttnewguy]

It'll be interesting to see if he turns out to be the killer. Some random thoughts in response to what others wrote in this thread:

(1) If he's the killer, the fact that he's 41 with no prior record of sexual violence is a little unusual, but in the end it doesn't bother me that much. Although most serial rapists/killers almost always begin much earlier (usually in their 20's, close to their sexual peak), the fact that he was incarcerated for long periods of time for other crimes could have simply deprived him of the opportunity to commit any before now, "stunting" his development as a predator.

(2) If, in fact, he is the killer, his urge to rape probably wasn't created for the first time by anything that happened to him in prison (like being raped himself). Psychologists will tell you that a person's sexual identity (including any deviant urges) is formed well before then. If you look at most serial killers/rapists (except those who were in prison for long periods of time), there is some history of deviancy in their early teens -- not necessarily full-blown rape, but things like peeping tom incidents, torturing animals, setting fires, exposing themselves, etc. FBI profiler Jon Douglas has a whole chapter in one of his books about the teenage "early warning signs" of a serial predator.

However, it is entirely possible (and in fact it's happened before with other rapists) that his time in prison may have made him angrier and thereby made him more inclined to act on (or more accurately, less able to control) deviant impulses that he already had in his personality, but had never taken this far.

(3) Most parolees have curfew times and things they cannot do (like, cannot leave the city, cannot have jobs where they are around children, etc.) but most are not required to wear electronic tracking bracelets unless there is a special reason such as a history of prior curfew violations. The reason for this is cost. There are just too many people on probation or parole. Which I suppose may say something about the criminal justice system.

(4) Like dragonfly, I'm troubled by the fact that the way the crime was committed has signs of preparation which suggests it was not a crime of opportunity as if the bouncer just acted on the spur of the moment (shoelaces, plastic ties, tape, scissors, etc.). But there are 2 possibilities here, if indeed the bouncer is the killer: (1) the bouncer was planning to commit a rape all along and had the stuff with him, he just didn't know who his target was yet and just got "lucky" (hate to use that word) when Immette showed up drunk; or (2) if it was a spur-of-the-moment thing, then maybe the stuff happened to already by lying there in the basement where the crime was committed, and he just stumbled on it? If someone had recently been packing boxes in the basement, it would certainly explain the presence of so many moving-related materials.

[IdahoMom]

OK...this is bad to suggest, but I saw a show the other day with a similar scenario...

Maybe his girlfriend was his accomplice?

[southerngirl]

I also read today that LE has strong interest in another bar employee. I wondered if he and the bouncer worked in cahoots to abduct and molest Imette. And I still don't quite understand why the bar owner told the truth to LE a week after the crime (that Imette was escorted out of the bar by the bouncer and neither were seen again), and via his attorney. Many unanswered questions. Why would she need to be removed from the bar at closing? No one has said she was rowdy or disruptive in any way, maybe just intoxicated.

[Becba]

The condom is the one thing that bothers me as it seems sloppy to leave it behind and that does not fit with an experienced serial killer or even an organized serial rapist. Maybe this was his first try after all. It almost (but not quite) sounds like he got this cookie cutter plan while he was in prison and decided to use it. I await more info. I think there is more known by L.E. that would explain things that seem odd to us when we read them in the news reports.
As far as the condom perhaps it accidently got caught on the tape around her head or the blanket he wrapped her in and fell off beside her when he dumped her.

[scandi]

Hi Guys,

As to the hair, I read he only cut it on one side. So he left at least a i/2 head of hair. It had nothing to do with DNA, and for that matter she had hair all over her body!

The condom was reported by the gal on site for Fox news, but she didn't have verification it was involved in this crime scene, only that it was found down there in the basement.

I thought the other bar employee was the one they made strip and he had no marks on his body.

If the sock had been used, there would be skin scales inside of it for DNA testing. Same possibly with the shoelaces. If they needed something for these two uses, maybe one of the perps, who was probably naked doing this to her, used his own sock and his tennis shoe strings. Lets hope so!

Has there been any news from the Boston paper with the news of the day? Fox had some dumb leader saying they have almost solved the case and then nothing was said about that :banghead:

Scandi

[strach304]

It has organized and disorganized elements no denying that. I have to conclude she was a victim of opportunity because of the timing for one thing but since he was on a curfew supposed to be anyway the timing and place fit him to a tee from what we know. He lives with his Aunt so he had nowhere to take her to do these things. Many little things like did he have keys, does he have tube socks in his dresser drawers at home? All that will confirm what they already have. Many cases have already been used for examples detailing other cases with no past history that would fit with this crime so I do believe it can be a case that he just never got caught, lets see what happens when they start showing his pic on the news. Trail backs on the dc snipers and dandridge and gray who killed the Harvey's proved they were responsible for many unsolved crimes and I think we could see that happen here as well. In one of the books I read by an FBI profiler he went over serial rapists and their advancement to serial killer to cover up the crime so this may be his first kill but not rape and the things he did that led everyone to think he was a serial killer wasn't done like Ted Bundy he did these things to try and get around forensics or other evidence that he may have thought would get him caught. I won't rule out a partner in crime though either but the reason he's not bringing up anyone else is because it won't help him.

[shellbee]

His cell phone placing him near the dump site is suspicious. Plus, he was at the location of her disappearance. I think the odds of the same person being in both places at crucial times is very low, and this appears very circumstantial and incriminating.Something I'm confused about: The last I heard, LE said the crime scene was in the same building that houses The Falls. Littlejohn's cell phone records show him around east New York Saturday morning about 6 a.m., a couple hours after Imette was last seen. The anonymous phone call reporting a body was logged Saturday night at 8:43 p.m. I also recall reading that Imette hadn't been dead long when recovered. If this is all correct, assuming Littlejohn committed the crime, where was Imette when Littlejohn was on his phone in east NY? He wasn't there dumping her body; that took place later. :confused:

[Jovin]

regarding the various references of wire similar to what was found on her body, being discovered in the basement of the bar. Where has it ever been stated that she was bound with wire? I've only read of tape, plastic ties and shoelaces.

[jttnewguy]

Something I'm confused about: The last I heard, LE said the crime scene was in the same building that houses The Falls. Littlejohn's cell phone records show him around east New York Saturday morning about 6 a.m., a couple hours after Imette was last seen. The anonymous phone call reporting a body was logged Saturday night at 8:43 p.m. I also recall reading that Imette hadn't been dead long when recovered. If this is all correct, assuming Littlejohn committed the crime, where was Imette when Littlejohn was on his phone in east NY? He wasn't there dumping her body; that took place later. :confused:Well, if you think about it, it's really unlikely that he would have stayed in the basement for the entire 16 hours. He may have left her tied up in the basement for periods of time to eat, use the bathroom, change his clothes, report to his parole officer, or maybe he even had another job, or perhaps even scout out dump sites for the body, and then returned to the basement to kill her and dump her body.

Also, since the dump site was in a pretty obscure part of town, it's likely that he knew about it because some part of his life took him there, perhaps work or some other obligation, so he may have been in that part of town for some other reason that if he had missed it would have caused suspicion. I wonder where the parole office is located relative to the dump site?

[Sassygerl]

Just a couple thoughts.......it's possible he somehow tied or taped her to something with the hair on one side of her head to force her into one position or another (or to just keep her there), and then cut the hair to free her to move her. Also, I wonder if the cat was just a stray who lived down in the basement? Who took care of this cat? I have always used old bedding as "beds" for my animals and wonder if the bedspread was the cats bedding? If so, surely someone would have recognized it assuming the cat was being fed and not just coming and going through a window or such.

[strach304]

I haven't forgotten about the original timeline given either Shellbee and yes that's exactly how I remember it. I was trying to figure out early on where she was held all that time 17 hours? I did see that he has a van but the report of her dying about 2 hours before being found can't be right. There was a case in Illinois where a father killed his daughter and her little friend and the time of death he originally gave was off by something like 12 hours. On that angle I'm just gonna patiently wait and see how this unfolds.

[jttnewguy]

Wow, this part of the story seems to change just about every day. First it was tape, then plastic ties, then shoestrings, now wire. Maybe tomorrow it'll be something else. Makes you wonder what other "facts" the media has wrong.

[Sassygerl]

Wow, this part of the story seems to change just about every day. First it was tape, then plastic ties, then shoestrings, now wire. Maybe tomorrow it'll be something else. Makes you wonder what other "facts" the media has wrong.

Yes, I was looking for the links for Jovin, posted, then deleted after googling the plastic ties, tape, etc. and got hits on all.

[jttnewguy]

the report of her dying about 2 hours before being found can't be right. There was a case in Illinois where a father killed his daughter and her little friend and the time of death he originally gave was off by something like 12 hours. On that angle I'm just gonna patiently wait and see how this unfolds.When the coroner gives a time of death, it's only an estimate based upon such things as how advanced rigor mortis is, the state of decomposition, how the body fluids have separated, etc. These things are known to progress in a somewhat predictable way in most bodies, but even in the best case the estimate can be a few hours off simply because every body is slightly different. Also, these factors can be affected a lot by the environment in which the body was found e.g. temperature, humidity, light, the presence of chemicals or solvents or dust in the area can speed up or slow down the process (as anyone who watches "CSI" knows) which the coroner obviously has no way of knowing until the crime scene is located. It'd be interesting to know the conditions in the basement as it would have an effect on the estimate of the time of death.

[strach304]

regarding the various references of wire similar to what was found on her body, being discovered in the basement of the bar. Where has it ever been stated that she was bound with wire? I've only read of tape, plastic ties and shoelaces.

I've seen wire in place of plastic ties in a few reports here and then back to plastic ties again so don't know which it is or is it both? Haven't seen the combination listed together anywhere though, different reporters different info. :waitasec:

[Jovin]

Wow, this part of the story seems to change just about every day. First it was tape, then plastic ties, then shoestrings, now wire. Maybe tomorrow it'll be something else. Makes you wonder what other "facts" the media has wrong.

Well, I've seen this reference on the scrawl thing at Fox News I think it was, and I've seen or read it about three times, and it's perplexing. I wondered why no one here had mentioned it, or maybe I've not been thorough enough in my reading.

[Jovin]

I've seen wire in place of plastic ties in a few reports here and then back to plastic ties again so don't know which it is or is it both? Haven't seen the combination listed together anywhere though, different reporters different info. :waitasec:

for the info. It's so frustrating when you read contradictory reports like this and you really just want to know the WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH! Lord knows if we ever will know the "whole" truth, but I'm sure someone or some people will be brought to justice over this horrendous crime.

[strach304]

I know weather temperature and all that also contribute to determining time of death so that's why I never brought up those discrepencies so I'm just going back to the first reports and wanted to let Shellbee know that I noticed that too and think we should wait it out because they are still investigating and forensics and toxicology are not finished yet.

Sassygerl, your post about the hair is just unbelievable in the most dynamic way. MY highest compliments for the way you think, very sharp imo! :cool:
If it doesn't turn out to be the case or we never find out, oh well but you get an A+ for effort.

[Jovin]

Sassy's post really did make me stop and think too. It's amazing how so many times you'll read someone's post like this and the thought they've expressed might not have entered your mind before, and then you feel like...WHY DIDN'T IT? It makes perfect sense!

[trixie]

OK...this is bad to suggest, but I saw a show the other day with a similar scenario...

Maybe his girlfriend was his accomplice?


It's probably not likely but I thought of this too. When I heard her hair was cut I thought that would be something one girl might do to another.

[Jovin]

It's probably not likely but I thought of this too. When I heard her hair was cut I thought that would be something one girl might do to another.

I've been a little backward about mentioning this, but in the back of my mind, I keep wondering if there wasn't a woman involved here. It's a pretty personal assault against her appearance, and I think that would show a woman's jealousy moreso than a man's.

[trixie]

Well, you have the taping of the face, the cutting of the hair, the slashing of the genitals and breasts, that's all I can think of that might indicate a jealous woman or whatever. Did I hear correctly tonight on eithor Larry King or Rita "Whatshername" MSNBC, that the tape was applied vertically on her face? Did anyone else hear that?

[txsvicki]

I have always felt that Imette knew her killer. It was someone who knew of her studies, and who was attracted to her. I orginally suggested paramedic (because of the shift work) but to me, someone who could give her input into the "psyche" of a criminal would also work.

The bouncer works for me. He has been locked up. He has, no doubt, ill feelings towards his jailers, and the people who put him there. The rage that manifested in the injuries Imette suffered could be the rage he feels at being thwarthed and having to "report" to parole/authorities - she represented it all.

Perhaps he was raped while incarcerated... and took it out on Imette?

He's not real young. He was probably the raper in prison and hadn't committed any crimes to get other convicts after him and was probably in a prison gang. He's been in there several times for refusing to live by the law. No telling what he has done that hasn't been found out yet.

[txsvicki]

I heard on Fox that there was semen on the blanket. Also, who said that the hair was cut to remove DNA?? That's the first that I have heard of that. :confused:

I think that the bouncer did it and then staged it to throw the suspicion elsewhere.

I said that about 2 days ago at the first of thread, but now the end of the thread looks different? Has it been divided up?

edited: Okay, I see this is a new thread. I had thought that he could have cut the hair to make sure none of his dna or some fiber threads were caught in her long hair. I wonder about the truth of how much of the hair was cut.

[Jovin]

Well, you have the taping of the face, the cutting of the hair, the slashing of the genitals and breasts, that's all I can think of that might indicate a jealous woman or whatever. Did I hear correctly tonight on eithor Larry King or Rita "Whatshername" MSNBC, that the tape was applied vertically on her face? Did anyone else hear that?

Yes....Rita had it on and it's been reported pretty well right from the beginning. Rita is on replay right now on MSNBC.

[docwho3]

http://www.corpus-delicti.com/rape.html

[Jovin]

I said that about 2 days ago at the first of thread, but now the end of the thread looks different? Has it been divided up?

this is part two.

[dark_shadows]

Whose sock was used?Maybe it belonged to Imette.

[cathieq]

Menace to Society
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=129349

[docwho3]

Was a condom actually found? Has that been confirmed? My reference to the condom was stated by LE because no dna was found inside her not because I've seen any confirmation that a condom was found in the basement, as far as I know that is more of a rumor or based on speculation in reports that first started when LE went to search the bar and the info on the basement first started someone said that maybe a condom was found there by someone who phoned in the tip that led LE back to the bar and down to the basement. Haven't seen anything other than hair and fibers mentioned but no clothes or anything really about what took them there and what was removed/found etc. . . .Sources tell our sister station, WCBS in New York, that St. Guillen's killer wore gloves and a condom. There were no fingerprints on the tape and very little bodily fluid. . .http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_062081808.html
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=989020&postcount=284
Thats all I know about how true it is or is not about a condom. It is actually reported in the news report but I do not know how true their facts are.

[Mygirlsadie]

I havent seen a picture of his black van but was wondering if it had one of those side sliding doors? Also if he acted alone I just dont see how he would of stopped the car got out threw her body out got back in and nobody saw anything? Maybe his gf was in the back and when they got to the certain point she shoved Imette out of the van that way the van never had to stop at all?

[dark_shadows]

Yes, I was looking for the links for Jovin, posted, then deleted after googling the plastic ties, tape, etc. and got hits on all.Hi Sassygerl,
Here is the link about the shoelaces;
Last night detectives also scoured cheap, seedy motels along the route from Manhattan, where she was last seen alive, to the gritty, desolate Brooklyn block where her body was found dumped near a vacant lot, her head wrapped like a mummy with brown packing tape, her ankles bound with black shoelaces, and her hands secured with plastic ties, another police source said.


shoelaces (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=128540)


The quilt, packing tape, wire and shoelaces are being examined for prints and DNA, and tests are being run to see if there's any evidence of the killer's skin under Imette's torn fingernails.
shoelaces (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64455.htm)

[txsvicki]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/nyregion/07dead.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

This article says that no evidence of the sexual attack was found in the bar and now the other employee is adding to the story by saying that he heard a commotion in the hall after telling the ex con to see that Imette got out of the bar so his story must be that she left out that other door. This was supposedly after the security door was down. He says that he later saw Imette talking to the bouncer who sat in the driver's seat of a van. I am not sure if Imette was said to have been also in the van or still on the sidewalk. These bar workers must really not care what goes on too much.

[Jovin]

Hi Sassygerl,
Here is the link about the shoelaces;....



I appreciate that.

[Mygirlsadie]

Funny how they couldnt of remembered this say oh Feb.26th? It's like everybody is starting to remember all this stuff all of a sudden. Maybe like a poster said a few posts back that they were all scared of Littlejohn. Guess they were waiting to say what they knew until he was in custody. Regardless if he didnt do this disgusting crime. I still think a grown man running around like a ninja using comic book name alias's lying about being a marshall and a police record x-con if you will...has definately got some major issues going on and I wouldnt want to be alone with the guy.



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/nyregion/07dead.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

This article says that no evidence of the sexual attack was found in the bar and now the other employee is adding to the story by saying that he heard a commotion in the hall after telling the ex con to see that Imette got out of the bar so his story must be that she left out that other door. This was supposedly after the security door was down. He says that he later saw Imette talking to the bouncer who sat in the driver's seat of a van. I am not sure if Imette was said to have been also in the van or still on the sidewalk. These bar workers must really not care what goes on too much.

[marly56]

ok he's a songwriter/rapper :dance:
JDB, I might have this wrong but I thought the no scratches report was about a second suspect not the bouncer. They will have taken pics of him after his arrest so we'll see but from the first report it sounded like they meant the bouncer but was clearer in the second report.
there is a possibilty that this second person that they are considering a suspest is the real killer,and that they are holding and grilling the bouncer because the bouncer had the key and maybe the bouncer is the one who allowed the killer to gain entrance. this makes more sense to me at this point because...WHO is this other suspect? so far there is nothing yet about this other suspect said other than that he is another possible suspect. what i think happened? imette was at the bar alone and struck up some small talk with one of these two suspects..then the bouncer told the other guy i got a key if you want to make out with her ...if the bouncer has no scratches on him then it has to be the other guy. if this is a possible scenario...then the bouncer HAD NO IDEA who this other guy was or what a dangerous person he is. maybe the bouncer just thought this guy got lucky and he was doing a buddy thing for him by using the key to let him in for a make-out with a pretty girl. what ever happened ..i think if the bouncer is not the killer he knows who is.

[txsvicki]

Someone else has looked up the alias names and Damon Wells is the name of a serial killer who hurt women.

[marly56]

A Thought here could he be an Accesory to the crime and transported her but did not kill her
jdb, this is what i am starting to think too.

[Bobbisangel]

for the info. It's so frustrating when you read contradictory reports like this and you really just want to know the WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH! Lord knows if we ever will know the "whole" truth, but I'm sure someone or some people will be brought to justice over this horrendous crime.



I think he used a variety of things to bind and tie up this girl. I've heard the same thing on every station that I have listened to or watched. Today I heard on Rita Cosby that he didn't wrap the tape around and around her head but taped her from chin to forehead. I found that really strange.

It's really scary to think that this person is still out there walking the streets probably getting ready to grab another girl. I hope every young woman that lives in that area is being really careful and not going anywhere without the company of a big male.

[Bobbisangel]

I still can't believe Mr. Bouncer guy has had a curfew he was supposed to be following for his parole and he wasn't. Don't they have house arrest shackles or something that buzz if you are out too late, or do I just watch too many movies? :doh:




According to his parole he wasn't supposed to be working in a bar either. Now he has parole violations which is good because that way they can hold him in jail until they investigate him and if he is the guilty party he won't be able to get ahold of another girl. I hope LE is still looking at other people while they investigate the bouncer because if it isn't him...the killer is still out there.

[trixie]

That female news reporter whom he called to complain about the cops has heard his voice on the phone. I wonder if they played her the 911 call if she could identify it?

[trixie]

]Last night detectives also scoured cheap, seedy motels along the route from Manhattan, where she was last seen alive, to the gritty, desolate Brooklyn block where her body was found dumped near a vacant lot, her head wrapped like a mummy with brown packing tape, her ankles bound with black shoelaces, and her hands secured with plastic ties, another police source said. [/font]


Italics mine. Okay. I was under the impression she was wrapped in an "around the head" fashion, like a mummy, as it says in this article. But then I heard the tape was applied vertically. That would mean from her chin up to her forhead and then again and again almost in a stripe pattern, right? Well,which is it? Also, this says brown packing tape. I thought the tape was clear, and her face could be viewed through it. Is this article so full of misinfomation we need to just disregard it or is this the only article with the truth that is out there? Too many inconsistencies with what I've alreday read and heard on TV. Don't know what to believe anymore.

[dark_shadows]

I appreciate that. Jovin,
You are an important poster and I wanted to bring up what you have worked hard to contribute.

[dark_shadows]

]Last night detectives also scoured cheap, seedy motels along the route from Manhattan, where she was last seen alive, to the gritty, desolate Brooklyn block where her body was found dumped near a vacant lot, her head wrapped like a mummy with brown packing tape, her ankles bound with black shoelaces, and her hands secured with plastic ties, another police source said. [/font]


Italics mine. Okay. I was under the impression she was wrapped in an "around the head" fashion, like a mummy, as it says in this article. But then I heard the tape was applied vertically. That would mean from her chin up to her forhead and then again and again almost in a stripe pattern, right? Well,which is it? Also, this says brown packing tape. I thought the tape was clear, and her face could be viewed through it. Is this article so full of misinfomation we need to just disregard it or is this the only article with the truth that is out there? Too many inconsistencies with what I've alreday read and heard on TV. Don't know what to believe anymore.Trixie,
The tape is listed as clear in AMW site.Youare right when yousay that there are inconsistenties,at the time the posts were put up,that is what was said at the time.

07 mar05 AMW


Her face was wrapped like a mummy in clear plastic packaging tape, suggesting that her killer wanted to freeze the pained expression on her face. Also, the killer chopped off her signature long, black hair.
AMW (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=37839)

[jttnewguy]

]Last night detectives also scoured cheap, seedy motels along the route from Manhattan, where she was last seen alive, to the gritty, desolate Brooklyn block where her body was found dumped near a vacant lot, her head wrapped like a mummy with brown packing tape, her ankles bound with black shoelaces, and her hands secured with plastic ties, another police source said. [/font]
Italics mine. Okay. I was under the impression she was wrapped in an "around the head" fashion, like a mummy, as it says in this article. But then I heard the tape was applied vertically. That would mean from her chin up to her forhead and then again and again almost in a stripe pattern, right? Well,which is it? Also, this says brown packing tape. I thought the tape was clear, and her face could be viewed through it. Is this article so full of misinfomation we need to just disregard it or is this the only article with the truth that is out there? Too many inconsistencies with what I've alreday read and heard on TV. Don't know what to believe anymore.

Here are the inconsistencies that I've noticed in the media already:

(1) Some reports state that the tape on her face was brown packing tape, while others say it was transparent.
(2) Some articles say that the tape was wrapped around her head like a mummy (like the one you cited), while others state that it was applied vertically.
(3) Different news reports claim that her feet were bound with tape, wire, shoelaces, or plastic ties.
(4) Some news reports state that her body covered with a moving quilt, others say it was that floral blanket, some say both.
(5) Some articles state that all of her hair was cut off, while others state it was just one side.
(6) Early reports stated that the killer must have worn gloves or used a tape dispenser to bind her since there were no fingerprints. But more recent reports say that the shoelaces are being tested for hair and fibers and fingerprints.

All very confusing and frustrating.

[Becba]

My 2 cents is that this is like a serial killer. Joe Duncan committed the most heinous crime I had ever heard of, but we know now it was not his first time likely.

Either the bouncer committed rapes or attacks he was not caught for or he is not the guy.
If he is not the guy, there is a very bad psycho on the loose.

[dark_shadows]

Littlejohn's aunt was screened prior to his release.Her home was also screened to ensure that no firearms and other items of parole violations were in the home.
Also the prospetive place of employment would have to be contacted prior to the parolee being hired.So an employer knows if they are hiring a convict.

Parole Officers for an individual are determined by geocoding.The assignment of the Parole Officer is based on the geographical part of a borough that is an approved residence of the parolee.Under normal circumstances a Parole Officer has a caseload of 65.
The first 6 months of parole,the parolee is visited twice a month.After that it is once a month.The parolee has to visit the Parole Officer.

Parole Officers can carry a firearm if they choose.If they do carry a firearm they must go through the Police and DOC range training.But prior to that training they have to go through a psychological screening.
They wear a bullet-proof vest and carry 2 way radios and are in contact with the local Police station.
They also go through a training called "Streetwise" this program teaches how to enter an offenders home and look for signs that the probationer may be engaged in criminal activity.
There are many conditions placed on a parolee.
hust a few;
no firearms
no alcohol
no contact with known gang menbers
no association with other felons
no contact with victims
There are certain restictions determined by the crimes commited by the individual.

If they go anywhere beyond the workplace route,they have to fill out a "travel pass".

[Bobbisangel]

I think he took her hair as a trophy if it isn't at the scene of the crime...when they find the scene.

I think they will find the killers DNA on Imette. Because of the type of work she planned to do I believe that no matter the horror she was put through her mind was working and she was thinking of what she could do so that LE would find his DNA and catch him. I would bet that she got a few good scratches in.

I hope and pray that Imette's family continue to stay away from the news and newspapers. The less they know about the horror she was put through the better for them. I just read a book by John Walsh and he stated that the family of victims don't need to know what their loved one went through and I completely agree with him. Once you know the details they are in your head forever and it is so hard to live with the knowing.

[strach304]

After reading the latest link TxVicki posted I really, really wanna see a pic of this guy. He was in Md. in 92 going under the name of Derek Hansen which doesn't bring an image to mind but when his name was first reported as Darryl Littlejohn I recognized it but then thought it was just another famous name he attached to himself like the others was why I might have recognized it.
The good news from that latest report is they do have dna and are just waiting on results. My money is more on this guy now that some of his character has peaked out but we're back to square one on many other areas and more discrepencies to wonder about. I read both ways on the tape too and just thought I misunderstood after they started to call him the mummy maniac and then reported it as being wrapped around vertically.

The drugs, heroine and coke not marijuana. A semi automatic gun and his first assault at 17 with a knife. These details cannot be overlooked I'm afraid. The bar may not have panned out as the crime scene but it doesn't do anything to change my mind and think he's innocent just yet not with dna likely to break this case one way or the other. The latest report also goes a long way in sorting out what was reported to sound like she was thrown out when that wasn't the case at all, she was politely walked out and the owner or bartender that told him to do it sounds like he was being considerate and she should have been put in a cab. He went downstairs and of course the bouncer didn't come back, wasn't supposed to and other people were leaving at the same time as well. Now they have to go back to square one.

[dark_shadows]

Either the bouncer committed rapes or attacks he was not caught for or he is not the guy.
If he is not the guy, there is a very bad psycho on the loose.
Littleton had several prison stays.I am sure that his crimes against a person did not stop once he was confined.He probably strong armed weaker inmates for commissary and money orders from the families of the weak.I doubt very highly that he was a victim of prison rape as stated in other posts.If anything he was the one who did the violating.He would probably say "it does not count in prison".Meaning that if he did have sex on prison,that does not count as homosexual.Even though it does count.
Often rapes are not reported because the ones raped think that they willl looked down upon or maybe the ones raped could not indentify the rapist.
So many who have sexually assualted others have gotten away with it.

Just because a person has not been charged with a crime does not mean they have not commited and gotten away with a crime.

[strach304]

I hope somebody reads this because now I wanna go back to he offered her a ride, no taxi's around for instance. What if Imette was silly enough from the alcohol that she still wasn't ready to go home and we're back to them going to eat like I always did with my friends after clubbing. He did have a vehicle there so now they are looking for evidence in the vehicles and that's where they are considering more than one employee was involved. Still don't know the movements and we're 17 hours his cell phone was used early am in Brooklynn and that's not only the area she was dumped in but close proximity of the all night diner location.

[shadowraiths]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/nyregion/07dead.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

"Officials in Maryland said that Mr. Littlejohn, as Derek Hansen, had still not answered the charges he faced there in 1992. They said a warrant for his arrest is still active."

[cathieq]

Very revealing info in this article.



http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyslay074653243mar07,0,3051633.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print

One coworker with suspicions called police, who picked up Littlejohn on Sunday and began questioning him, sources said. Detectives also heard from coworkers that St. Guillen spent most of her time at The Falls chatting with Littlejohn.

"They seemed friendly," one source said. "She said she was a FBI agent. He said he was a U.S. marshal. She willingly left with him and willingly went upstairs with him."

Detectives are working on the theory that the two went to another part of the building - either upstairs or the basement. Sunday, investigators searched the building and took away several garbage bags filled with material for forensic testing.

Detectives also have their eye on a female customer at the bar that night, sources said.

[mindi77]

Very revealing info in this article.



http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyslay074653243mar07,0,3051633.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print

One coworker with suspicions called police, who picked up Littlejohn on Sunday and began questioning him, sources said. Detectives also heard from coworkers that St. Guillen spent most of her time at The Falls chatting with Littlejohn.

"They seemed friendly," one source said. "She said she was a FBI agent. He said he was a U.S. marshal. She willingly left with him and willingly went upstairs with him."

Detectives are working on the theory that the two went to another part of the building - either upstairs or the basement. Sunday, investigators searched the building and took away several garbage bags filled with material for forensic testing.

Detectives also have their eye on a female customer at the bar that night, sources said.



A female....isn't that what alot of us thought. I mean there were alot of things that stood out that there was possibly a women involved. Hmmm

[mindi77]

I just thought of this....could it be possible that there was a female there who liked the bouncer guy and when she saw them go upstairs she lost it. Maybe she waited for her to leave and then did this to her. I mean she wouldn't think she would get caught. Maybe she even thought he would get blamed. I mean this seems like a jealous, rage killing. this case is all over the place.

[aheddle]

Either that guy is involved in this up to his eyeballs or he is one unlucky dude.......

I am betting he is up to his eyeballs in it!

I wonder if her hair was cut off in order to not only humiliate her but to make it much easier to tape her head in order to see her face. It would not surprise me if a female is involved too.....lots of sick women out there too in this world that "want to please their man".

[NEPatriot]

I just listened to a report up here in Boston that said a few things that are real important and could mean a lot of problems for the owner and bartender of The Falls.They have admitted that they told Littlejohn to "get her out of here" because they thought Imette was intoxicated.Littlejohn then took her out a side exit into a hallway where they could be heard arguing.Then,both the bartender and owner reported hearing a muffled scream and stopped what they were doing and waited a minute, but did nothing and continued serving drinks.
Also,Littlejohn never came back that night..and when he returned to work the next time, he had visible scratches on his neck and was actively asking about the missing girl.If these reports are true,I hope they string up the bartender and owner along with Littlejohn.Not only could they have maybe prevented this tragedy had they acted on the scream,but they then covered it up and lied to LE until well after they "lawyered up".What a couple of dirt bags.

[sleuthin4fun]

I just thought of this....could it be possible that there was a female there who liked the bouncer guy and when she saw them go upstairs she lost it. Maybe she waited for her to leave and then did this to her. I mean she wouldn't think she would get caught. Maybe she even thought he would get blamed. I mean this seems like a jealous, rage killing. this case is all over the place.
mindi, a jelousy killing was also my very first instinct. When I read that her hair had been cut my hinky meter went off. Something about that is curious to me.:doh:

[dragonfly]

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyslay074653243mar07,0,3051633.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print

more tidbits from the articles that cathieq posted above....

"Littlejohn has a scratch on the back of his neck that detectives say may have been inflicted during a struggle."

"Police sources said Littlejohn at first refused to supply a DNA sample, but later complied."

"Sources said investigators had learned that Littlejohn had scoffed at coworkers who had agreed to provide a DNA sample to police."

"He kept saying he wasn't giving up his DNA," one source said. "That caught everyone's attention."

"A type of packaging tie was used to secure St. Guillen inside the comforter in which she was wrapped. Ties matching those were found inside the building that houses The Falls, sources said."

"Sources said Littlejohn made at least two cell phone calls from the area of Fountain Avenue and the nearby Belt Parkway on the night St. Guillen's body was found nearby."

"Sources said the medical examiner has been asked if toxicology tests on St. Guillen show traces of any date-rape drug."

"Addie Harris said her nephew was trying to get his life together and suggested he was arrested because the police department was under pressure to solve the case."
"They got to put it on somebody," she said. "That's just the way it is."

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=129349

Investigators managed to collect Littlejohn’s DNA from utensils used by the parolee as he ate Chinese food and drank Coke from a plastic cup, a law enforcement source told the Herald. Detectives want to see if his DNA matches bodily fluids recovered from St. Guillen’s tortured body.

His aunt, Addie Harris, told investigators that the bouncer jammed the locks of the house sometime last week. Harris said police showed her a search warrant listing items they were looking for including hair, fibers, DNA and blood.

[NEPatriot]

One other quick thing I heard...It's been reported that a strong possibility to why her hair was cut is that Littlejohn had gotten some fingerprints on the tape when he was taping Imette's face,and in an effort to get rid of the fingerprints he cut the tape along with Imette's hair and retaped it.Not sure how true this is or how they came up with it,but it was reported here this morning.

[Sassygerl]

One other quick thing I heard...It's been reported that a strong possibility to why her hair was cut is that Littlejohn had gotten some fingerprints on the tape when he was taping Imette's face,and in an effort to get rid of the fingerprints he cut the tape along with Imette's hair and retaped it.Not sure how true this is or how they came up with it,but it was reported here this morning.

Thanks for the info and welcome to WS!!!!! :)

[IdahoMom]

Funny how they couldnt of remembered this say oh Feb.26th? It's like everybody is starting to remember all this stuff all of a sudden. Maybe like a poster said a few posts back that they were all scared of Littlejohn. Guess they were waiting to say what they knew until he was in custody. Regardless if he didnt do this disgusting crime. I still think a grown man running around like a ninja using comic book name alias's lying about being a marshall and a police record x-con if you will...has definately got some major issues going on and I wouldnt want to be alone with the guy.
Maybe they're coming forward because they want the reward money. Sounds cynical, I know, but a cab should have been called for her while she was still inside the bar. The barworkers have memories of convenience.:slap:

[calidreamin]

I think these people coming forward from the bar a week later is really suspect. Maybe they were worried about being sued but if so they are despicable. That poor girl was murdered, they should have spoken up sooner. Does anyone else feel that way?

[NEPatriot]

I couldn't agree more Cali.I just hope that there is no way that these vermin can try to cash in on the reward money.They all have Imette's blood on their hands.
On a lighter note,Thank you Sassy for the welcome.I joined websleuths after reading all of the astute,well thought out and extremely insightful postings.You all have a great deal of talent and intuition,and the information as well as the opinions are generally right on target.

[nanandjim]

Very revealing info in this article.



http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyslay074653243mar07,0,3051633.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print

One coworker with suspicions called police, who picked up Littlejohn on Sunday and began questioning him, sources said. Detectives also heard from coworkers that St. Guillen spent most of her time at The Falls chatting with Littlejohn.

"They seemed friendly," one source said. "She said she was a FBI agent. He said he was a U.S. marshal. She willingly left with him and willingly went upstairs with him."

Detectives are working on the theory that the two went to another part of the building - either upstairs or the basement. Sunday, investigators searched the building and took away several garbage bags filled with material for forensic testing.

Detectives also have their eye on a female customer at the bar that night, sources said.
I read this in the article, too. Who said all of this? They talked; they went to another part of the building together; she said that she was FBI, he Federal Marshall??!! :confused:

Who reported all of this information, and why wasn't it reported the first day??

[hollyjokers]

These people should all be charged with obstruction of justice or accessories after the fact IMO. I can almost overlook hearing the muffled scream, it is NYC, I'm sure you hear a lot of weird stuff & it just gets to be commonplace not to react...but when you find out within a day or two what happened to a girl who was in your bar & you intentionally withhold this type of information. There's a special place in hell for those people.

[calidreamin]

I agree that they should be charged with not coming foreward. It is beyond horrible, it's almost like they covered up and only said what they knew when they thought they couldn't get away with it anymore.:slap:

[marly56]

These people should all be charged with obstruction of justice or accessories after the fact IMO. I can almost overlook hearing the muffled scream, it is NYC, I'm sure you hear a lot of weird stuff & it just gets to be commonplace not to react...but when you find out within a day or two what happened to a girl who was in your bar & you intentionally withhold this type of information. There's a special place in hell for those people.
hi hollyjokers,you are so right ,they should be charged with obstruction of justice. anyone one of them could have made a call , even from a pay phone in the street to protect their identity. what is that saying? Evil wins out when good people do nothing.

[BrendaStar]

These people should all be charged with obstruction of justice or accessories after the fact

I bet they didn't want the cops there to find out what other shady dealings were going on in the bar.

[mindi77]

I agree, even if at the time they didn't think much of it but then later found out a girl was missing who was last seen there you would think right away someone would be like ...hey this stuff I heard the other night or whatever kinda makes me suspecious....I mean if that was me in a bar and I was being escorted out and someone heard a muffled scream I would like to think someone would come and see what is going on. And if not then if I am reported missing and the last known place I was, was at there establishment then I would hope someone would step up and say something right away, not when they feel like it.

If I was her mother I would be furious with all those who heard or saw something suspecious but didn't speak up.

[marly56]

I agree, even if at the time they didn't think much of it but then later found out a girl was missing who was last seen there you would think right away someone would be like ...hey this stuff I heard the other night or whatever kinda makes me suspecious....I mean if that was me in a bar and I was being escorted out and someone heard a muffled scream I would like to think someone would come and see what is going on. And if not then if I am reported missing and the last known place I was, was at there establishment then I would hope someone would step up and say something right away, not when they feel like it.

If I was her mother I would be furious with all those who heard or saw something suspecious but didn't speak up.
if my memory serves me right, the next morning imettes roomie went there looking for imette .her roomie and some friends actually went and put missing posters around the area and they inquired at all the bars in that area too. so if someone/ anyone had spoke up THEN..maybe imette would still be alive..there was only a 17 hour window to work with... this is so heartbreaking.

[IdahoMom]

I read this in the article, too. Who said all of this? They talked; they went to another parto fthe building together; she said that she was FBI, he Federal Marshall??!! :confused:

Who reported all of this information, and why wasn't it reported the first day??I'm curious about that too, Nan.
I think someone had their facts screwed up...I bet she said she WANTED to BE an FBI agent.

[MIpony]

picture of bouncer just shown on FOX

[MIpony]

It does not look like the guy in the snapshot posted earlier, but I could be wrong.
New pictures also of van.

[dark_shadows]

Apparently they took a seat out of Littlejohn's aunt's van.

[Sassygerl]

picture of bouncer just shown on FOX

And the pic says Jonathan Blaze 5'7" 175 lbs

ETA: the pic is from '95

[concernedperson]

And the pic says Jonathan Blaze 5'7" 175 lbs

This picture was taken in 1995 not a current mug shot....just announced.

[mocity]

where is the pic of him?

[Insomniac]

I'm curious about that too, Nan.
I think someone had their facts screwed up...I bet she said she WANTED to BE an FBI agent.
Well, if they were overhearing someone else's coversation that's an honest mistake. She could've also been joking and bantering with him.

[IdahoMom]

Well, if they were overhearing someone else's coversation that's an honest mistake. She could've also been joking and bantering with him.Yeah, that's why I said to Nan I think someone had their facts mixed up. :rolleyes:

[IdahoMom]

where is the pic of him?Hi Mocity-
They were showing it on FoxNews.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/195240/4_22_030706_jonathan_blaze.jpg

[PrayersForMaura]

I know I've been reading about this case way too much the past few days because I just woke up this morning after having a realistic dream that Littlejohn confessed. I rushed right here to read the news about it. Unfortunately, there was no news :(

I think that LE are doing a great job, though. This investigation is moving along pretty quickly.

Justice for Imette and her family. I hope the evil bastard(s) who did this get what they deserve.

[PrayersForMaura]

Thanks for posting that picture, Idahomom. Wow, he's a nice looking man. Not at all what I was expecting. He does look a tad mean in that photo though.

[Insomniac]

Littleton had several prison stays.I am sure that his crimes against a person did not stop once he was confined.He probably strong armed weaker inmates for commissary and money orders from the families of the weak.I doubt very highly that he was a victim of prison rape as stated in other posts.If anything he was the one who did the violating.He would probably say "it does not count in prison".Meaning that if he did have sex on prison,that does not count as homosexual.Even though it does count.
Often rapes are not reported because the ones raped think that they willl looked down upon or maybe the ones raped could not indentify the rapist.
So many who have sexually assualted others have gotten away with it.

Just because a person has not been charged with a crime does not mean they have not commited and gotten away with a crime.Well, it depends on whether he was sodomizing trannies or effeminate men. And no one reports rapes in prison, if they do, it's extremely rare. He also could have been raped, he's not very big at 5'7 and went into prison initially at 17, he may have been thin as well. And no, raping in prison with men doesn't make them automatically homosexual, if they do it for the power and control aspect. It could however, make him question his sexuality.

[IdahoMom]

Thanks for posting that picture, Idahomom. Wow, he's a nice looking man. Not at all what I was expecting. He does look a tad mean in that photo though.
Yeah, I wonder if he's still bald? He looks to me like he would make a good bouncer. :cool:

[MIpony]

:waitasec: There was a picture taken at "The Falls" that was linked in post #599 in the first thread that was thought this was the bouncer.....I don't know how to bring it to this thread to compare to the mug shot from 1995.

[Mellen]

Here's the link to that pic: http://www.thefallsnyc.com/gallery/katrina/images/_DSC0433.jpg

[MIpony]

Thank you Mellen....I didn't know if I had to bring the whole Quote over and since the thread was closed....thanks:blushing:

[dark_shadows]

It was said on the news that Imette did say that she was an FBI Agent.That was from an eyewitness.

[mocity]

looks like different guys to me. thanks for posting the pics.

[southerngirl]

The semen on the blanket was not on the floral bedspread Imette was found wrapped in, but a white blanket found at The Falls. The parole board called him a "menace to society" and said his behavior was "violent and out-of-control." LE has his DNA from 2000. The van belongs to Littlejohns' mother. Just some miscellaneous facts coming to light....

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397506p-336863c.html

[indigomood]

I've heard conflicting reports that the house he resided in was owned by his mother and I have also heard it was owned by the Aunt??

As an aside, could the conflicting reports regarding the tape applied to Imette's face be because it was taped in both fashions... First the perp placed vertical strips and then wrapped over them with horizontal wrapping? Overkill...

[mocity]

Another sicko that never should have been released from prison. If they would have kept him in prison where he belonged as the prison board suggested this would have been avoided.

[indigomood]

The semen on the blanket was not on the floral bedspread Imette was found wrapped in, but a white blanket found at The Falls. The parole board called him a "menace to society" and said his behavior was "violent and out-of-control." LE has his DNA from 2000. The van belongs to Littlejohns' mother. Just some miscellaneous facts coming to light....

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397506p-336863c.html
thanks for the link

return to the scene of the crime? checking out his handiwork?

Cops got a search warrant after telling a judge that cell phone records put Littlejohn at his home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 25 - and place him an hour later near the secluded Brooklyn spot where St. Guillen's body was found that night, sources said.

"He is a suspect," a detective close to the case said early this morning. "He is our only suspect."

[MrsMush99]

It was said on the news that Imette did say that she was an FBI Agent.That was from an eyewitness.

Maybe the rage killing was because Imette said she was an FBI agent. I'm sure he doesn't think too fondly of law enforcement.

Another questions I have. His cell phone records show him near the site where Imette was found early in the morning hours soon after she went missing. The 911 call didn't come until 8:30 p.m. Saturday night. Could it still possibly be him that called?? And if it was, why did he wait so long? This case still has a lot of unanswered questions.

[MrsMush99]

thanks for the link

return to the scene of the crime? checking out his handiwork?

Cops got a search warrant after telling a judge that cell phone records put Littlejohn at his home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 25 - and place him an hour later near the secluded Brooklyn spot where St. Guillen's body was found that night, sources said.

"He is a suspect," a detective close to the case said early this morning. "He is our only suspect."

Oh I just saw this. I didn't hear that. I heard that his cell phone records placed him near the scene in the early morning hours. Man, these conflicting reports are confusing me.

[MIpony]

thanks for the link

return to the scene of the crime? checking out his handiwork?

Cops got a search warrant after telling a judge that cell phone records put Littlejohn at his home at 5 p.m. on Feb. 25 - and place him an hour later near the secluded Brooklyn spot where St. Guillen's body was found that night, sources said.

"He is a suspect," a detective close to the case said early this morning. "He is our only suspect."So maybe the person he was talking to when he was close to the area Imette was found had something to do with this also.

[BrendaStar]

Maybe the rage killing was because Imette said she was an FBI agent. I'm sure he doesn't think too fondly of law enforcement.

I think the rage killing was because this guy hates women, period. Imette was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[indigomood]

Oh I just saw this. I didn't hear that. I heard that his cell phone records placed him near the scene in the early morning hours. Man, these conflicting reports are confusing me.
Yes, i heard that as well... initial reports placed him there approx two hrs after Imette was last seen. Imette last seen around 4 am and cell phone records placing littlejohn at the recovery site approx 6 am? Could it be that the whole assault, the horrific injuries, and the murder happened with in a two hour window? From abducton to disposal of the body by 6 am? Seems he would need more time. But if he did dump the body at 6 am, what did he do from that time until cell records place him at his residence at 5 pm?

cell phone records put Littlejohn at his home at
5 p.m. on Feb. 25

and place him an hour later near the secluded Brooklyn spot where St. Guillen's body was found that night which would be
6 p.m. (approx)

8:30 p.m. (approx) 911 call

[Nchadwickaz]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/nyregion/07dead.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

"Officials in Maryland said that Mr. Littlejohn, as Derek Hansen, had still not answered the charges he faced there in 1992. They said a warrant for his arrest is still active."

I don't understand how he was convicted at age 17 and served prison time (assuming that they had to do fingerprints) -- how he is able to serve other time periods under different aliases -- why wouldn't the prints alert them to his real idenity?

How could the prints in Maryland under Derek Hansen not when processes come up as Derryl Littlejohn, thus serving the warrant in NY since he was on parole -- wouldn't that be a violation of his parole right there?

[MrsMush99]

Here's another question I have. IF his cell phone places him at the scene at 6:00 a.m. how is it possible that Imette died 2 hours before she was found???

[dark_shadows]

Darryl Littlejohn, 41, told parole officers he was working for a mortgage company, but did not tell them he was working as a bouncer at the Falls bar in Manhattan where the 24-year-old was last seen around 4 a.m. on Feb. 25, said Scott Steinhardt is a spokesman for the New York State Division of Parole.

[marly56]

So maybe the person he was talking to when he was close to the area Imette was found had something to do with this also.
i just read ''breaking news'' from the daily news that the owner told the bouncer to escort imette out of the bar because she was reluctant to leave and complained that she was not given a chance to even finnish her drink. so what is the real story here, that she was chatting up the bouncer ,or she was flagged? is this another ''blame the victim'' ? the bottom line is this woman was murdered and somehow they are trying to create distractions with all the conflicting reports.

[MrsMush99]

Here's the link to the daily news article: Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397506p-336863c.html)

[indigomood]

Here's another question I have. IF his cell phone places him at the scene at 6:00 a.m. how is it possible that Imette died 2 hours before she was found???
possibly more misinformation? I wonder as well

[marly56]

Here's the link to the daily news article: Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397506p-336863c.html)
thanx mrsmush99

[MrsMush99]

From the daily news link:

The witness now says Littlejohn was ordered to escort the student outside as the gate was being pulled down at closing time. The two were seen talking outside the bar as Littlejohn sat in a van, sources said.

Ok here's the thing. Gates were being closed down, someone seen them speaking outside and NO ONE saw her get into the van??? I don't know, something is not right here. Also, they wait a week to inform LE about this??

[indigomood]

From the daily news link:



Ok here's the thing. Gates were being closed down, someone seen them speaking outside and NO ONE saw her get into the van??? I don't know, something is not right here. Also, they wait a week to inform LE about this??
the th on Fox says Imette was inside the van talking with littlejohn. He also says an affidavit and arrest are imminent, possibly tonight.

[calidreamin]

I also think their is alot of missinformation out there. What is going on with that bar. At first they say nothing and then a week later she left willingly with him and was talking to him outside and then he escorted her out and there is an argument and a muffled scream!!! This really isn't adding up.

[SewingDeb]

Here's the link to the daily news article: Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397506p-336863c.html)

Your link has a breaking news update now. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NY_STUDENT_STRANGLED_BAOL-?SITE=NYNYD&SECTION=MIDEAST&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

Official says slain student argued with bouncer before vanishing

[MrsMush99]

the th on Fox says Imette was inside the van talking with littlejohn. He also says an affidavit and arrest are imminent, possibly tonight.


I heard that too. I'm about ready to scream because we don't know what is true and what is not. So much conflicting information. It's driving me crazy!

[indigomood]

IMETTE'S LAST CALL A SCREAM

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64817.htm

*snip* But an investigator said he suspects that Littlejohn, who is out on parole for armed robbery, may have viewed St. Guillen as a "wounded pigeon" as he tossed her out and forced her into a car parked nearby.


*snip* Meanwhile, Littlejohn showed up for work at 9:30 that night - with a scratch on the back of his neck, sources said.

*snip* Three days after her body was found, Littlejohn popped up at work again - this time on his day off - and was intently inquiring about the missing woman, the sources said.

*snip* Investigators now suspect that the killer may have lopped off part of St. Guillen's hair not as a trophy after the attack - but because he knew he had gotten one of his fingerprints on the plastic tape that some of the hair was stuck to, and he wanted to hide the evidence.

More at Link

[Annie]

I hope they are looking at the owner and bartender too. They are telling too many different stories and withholding information for too long. If similar items to those used on her were found in the place, others had access to them too. There may have been more than one person involved. I don't understand how someone could hear a muffled scream and just ignore it. Maybe they are looking at others and we just aren't hearing about it.

[marly56]

IMETTE'S LAST CALL A SCREAM

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64817.htm

*snip* But an investigator said he suspects that Littlejohn, who is out on parole for armed robbery, may have viewed St. Guillen as a "wounded pigeon" as he tossed her out and forced her into a car parked nearby.


*snip* Meanwhile, Littlejohn showed up for work at 9:30 that night - with a scratch on the back of his neck, sources said.

*snip* Three days after her body was found, Littlejohn popped up at work again - this time on his day off - and was intently inquiring about the missing woman, the sources said.

*snip* Investigators now suspect that the killer may have lopped off part of St. Guillen's hair not as a trophy after the attack - but because he knew he had gotten one of his fingerprints on the plastic tape that some of the hair was stuck to, and he wanted to hide the evidence.

More at Link
thanx indigomood, this is a very informative article.

[Mygirlsadie]

Annie I think it also has to do with what another poster had stated before, that there is other shady stuff going on there that they don't or didnt want LE to know about..



I hope they are looking at the owner and bartender too. They are telling too many different stories and withholding information for too long. If similar items to those used on her were found in the place, others had access to them too. There may have been more than one person involved. I don't understand how someone could hear a muffled scream and just ignore it. Maybe they are looking at others and we just aren't hearing about it.

[aussieblue]

I agree the LE should be looking at all of them.

If this happened at closing time my bet is Littlejohn actually took her to the basement and the others knew he did, this was, i believe a Gang/group rape !!!!!!!!

That's why so many changing of the stories and also why they didn't come forward to begin with, they were all in on it IMO

~aussieblue

[SewingDeb]

Here's another question I have. IF his cell phone places him at the scene at 6:00 a.m. how is it possible that Imette died 2 hours before she was found???

Maybe 6:00 am is when he left her there. Then he returned to kill her 2 hours before she was found or she finally died of exposure?

[indigomood]

thanx indigomood, this is a very informative article.
you're welcome marly56 :)

[texasgirl]

IMETTE'S LAST CALL A SCREAM

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/64817.htm

*snip* But an investigator said he suspects that Littlejohn, who is out on parole for armed robbery, may have viewed St. Guillen as a "wounded pigeon" as he tossed her out and forced her into a car parked nearby.


*snip* Meanwhile, Littlejohn showed up for work at 9:30 that night - with a scratch on the back of his neck, sources said.

*snip* Three days after her body was found, Littlejohn popped up at work again - this time on his day off - and was intently inquiring about the missing woman, the sources said.

*snip* Investigators now suspect that the killer may have lopped off part of St. Guillen's hair not as a trophy after the attack - but because he knew he had gotten one of his fingerprints on the plastic tape that some of the hair was stuck to, and he wanted to hide the evidence.

More at Link
Hi all!

I have been keeping up with this in the news but not on WS unfortunately.

I have a question about the scratch on the back of his neck (from the above article)...is this the first time you guys have seen this reported or has it been in other articles??

Just wondering...I saw a reporter on NG or Greta last night (I think) talking about the fact that LE asked employees to strip (??) to see if they had marks. Am I hearing/seeing things or can someone help me out with this??

[laini]

I am curious if there are any similar crimes where Littlejohn lived before. Or crimes with similarities that he may have committed.

[indigomood]

Maybe 6:00 am is when he left her there. Then he returned to kill her 2 hours before she was found or she finally died of exposure?
I'm thinking the suffocation (sock, tape over her airways) would have killed her before exposure. I can't think the tube sock was shoved down her airway postmortem, it wouldn't make any sense

[evelyn24]

Maybe 6:00 am is when he left her there. Then he returned to kill her 2 hours before she was found or she finally died of exposure?

I think he dumped her body around 6am, which would still have been dark out.
He probably went back around 8:30pm later that night to see if she was still there, and when he saw Imette was still there and that nobody reported the body on the side of the road, he decided to call it in himself. *shrugs*

[concernedperson]

Maybe 6:00 am is when he left her there. Then he returned to kill her 2 hours before she was found or she finally died of exposure?

Maybe in had her in another location at 6 am and was scouting for a dumping ground. Returned after dark 6 pm to dump her body.