what's your theory of what happened?

[jttnewguy]

In an effort to shorten the "beautiful co-ed murdered" thread which is already creeping up to a few hundred replies, I thought I'd start a new one with a narrower focus.

What's your theory of what happened to Immette? So far, the leading candidates seem to be:

(1) A serial killer who grabbed her after she left the bar and Littlejohn has nothing to do with it
(2) Darryl Littlejohn (the ex-con bouncer) forced her into the basement to rape her, and killed her afterwards to eliminate the evidence since he was on parole
(3) Littlejohn forced her into his van and took her somehere else to rape & kill her
(4) Littlejohn is being framed, and it was actually someone else connected to the bar that assaulted her & that's why all of the witnesses initally lied to the police
(5) Littlejohn and others connected with the bar took her into the basement for a gang rape and she died accidentally, and that's why everyone is lying
(6) Littlejohn was an accomplice who helped dispose of the body but not the killer

So what's your theory?

[concernedperson]

3 with items taken from the basement.

[PonderingThings]

My theory is that Imette was working on her own case. She wasn't drunk. She was trying to get info out of the bouncer about what was going on at the bar. She was there to observe. Something was "going on" at closing time and she wanted to see it herself. That's why she objected to being told to leave before she finished her drink (if she really did object).

Something happened and he was on to her. Maybe that's what the discussion was about beside his van. She was attacked with rage, but I don't think it was sexual rage (although they were sexual acts), I think it was to get her to talk, to tell what she knew, and to make her suffer.

I think the bouncer is a very good lead - but without more information its hard to be definite. I definitely think the killer felt he knew Imette and this was the person who wrapped her in the blanket to dispose of her. I don't think that was strickly to cover the fact he was dumping a dead body. It was too "special" The person who wrapped her wanted to "seal" her up from the elements. It had to be someone who "knew" her. If it was a stranger he would have just dumped her body (taping the arms to the side if necessary) not go to the trouble of wrapping her up and taping the ends. I don't think this was a sign of remorse though.

I don't think this was "planned" because Imette had just returned from holidays and he had no way of knowing she would be there that night. I think the ties, tape, sock, etc., were used because they were within reaching distance - if it was a "kit" there would have been more appropriate things inside - like gloves (he wouldn't have got his fingerprints on the tape if he had them and he wouldn't have had to cut her hair - if that's why he cut her hair).

Since she was so "sealed" up I think it was the killer who made the 911 call. If someone had accidently came across her they would have had to unwrap the blanket to see it was a body - news reports say she was "sealed up" - so how would they know it was a body for sure?

If there were two people involved I think it was only during the "abduction" phase. Its very rare to find 2 people who would share such a brutal murder - possible, but rare. I can see someone catching her (and Imette scratching the guy) and bringing her to the killer - and the killer did the rest. I don't see two guys going to torture lengths, on the "spur of the moment"... too risky if caught.

Of course I'm getting my info from news reports - that have been very conflicting but this is what I think based on what I've read... so far.

[tipper]

I'm going to wait for the various lab results.

[CrimeSceneBlog]

Many folks in other threads have discussed the problems with the timeline, specifically how he got her away from the bar, yet managed to retrieve the items from the basement.

Here is a potential timeline / theory:


St. Guillen is escorted out by Littlejohn
Either she is drunk and argues or realizes she is in trouble and fights and Littlejohn punches and disables her, at least temporarily
He puts her into the basement until the bar closes down for the night
After things have happened in the basement, he moves her to the van and drives her to a dump site.
This still does not include the supposed sightings of her in a van with him talking. Perhaps they went to the van immediately after she left the bar and he then disabled her and put her in the basement so he could have a place to carry out his activities.

[strach304]

I am interested in the toxicology results from the coroner not because I think she was given drugs for date rate purposes but once again shows Darryl knew they'd be looking for that and the counting on the dna for a sex attack motive. The police know they've been played I think so if they get away from the sex attack angle and start digging into areas of other illegal activities with Daryll and every name they have that was there that night god knows what they'll find probably be an eeny meenie miny moe selection of any one of a number of things she may have found out or they were at least afraid of her learning or remembering something that would take them down. What value would they put on her life? I don't know this crowd he's with but I know it's a group thing he always has that going on. He's sitting in jail knowing and smiling that as soon as they have to announce the dna is not his he's only looking at piddly offenses that he will have a good lawyer get him out.

[Peggy Maxwell]

I am interested in the toxicology results from the coroner not because I think she was given drugs for date rate purposes but once again shows Darryl knew they'd be looking for that and the counting on the dna for a sex attack motive. The police know they've been played I think so if they get away from the sex attack angle and start digging into areas of other illegal activities with Daryll and every name they have that was there that night god knows what they'll find probably be an eeny meenie miny moe selection of any one of a number of things she may have found out or they were at least afraid of her learning or remembering something that would take them down. What value would they put on her life? I don't know this crowd he's with but I know it's a group thing he always has that going on. He's sitting in jail knowing and smiling that as soon as they have to announce the dna is not his he's only looking at piddly offenses that he will have a good lawyer get him out.
That is so diabolical I don't know if it compares to anything I've ever read, truth or fiction. Do you think he is the 911 caller? I can assume you believe he is playing the police and amusing himself by doing it. Chilling.

[txsvicki]

I think that the ex con is a violent rapist sociopath posing as a former law man and somehow tried to detain Imette there and she was too smart too fall for some line. That is if the story of her being escorted out and a commotion in the hallway is even true. Imette may have simply left on her own since she was used to living in New York and he made sure to be behind her. However it was, I believe that the ex con forced Imette down or up into some other part of the bar where he threatened her and quickly got her subdued with tape and wire, took her elsewhere where he repeatedly raped and then murdered her shortly before dumping the body. I do not believe that Imette would have even socialized with this guy and would not have willingly gotten into any vehicle with him or accepted a ride home from someone like him.

[Thinkoflaura]

This is obviously a sexually sadistic crime filled with rage. The only thing I really wonder about is if Imette had been to the bar before and knew his history or if their encounter on the night of her murder was the only time their paths crossed.
I believe she brought out the baddest part of his big bad self because she was his antithesis.

I think Imette represented everything that Littlejohn had come to hate:
1) White
2) Working in the CJ field putting people like him behind bars, deservedly so
3) Highly educated with a bright future
4) She was the very essence of modern day freedom

No doubt, he has never been an honors student, a child of proud parents, a person with a bright mind and extremely promising career, about to celebrate his 25th birthday, graduating from graduate school. Imette was all those things and he was nothing except a big, mean bad man full of hate against good people like her.
He was probably a major gang member and heavy drug user after his release from prison and on the night of Imette's murder.

I think he killed her specifically as a rage killing against white America and the people who tried, convicted and incarcerated him.
Her fatal flaw was probably speaking of her career plans/ education, vacation, etc in front of the beast.

Maybe she had picked up something really weird about him and wanted to check it out, but as a 24 year old upper middle class white Bostonian, she probably had no idea of what kind of monster he was. Textbook studies are one thing, up close and personal with a sexual sadistic psychopath is another.

I think he had p probably been sodomized/ raped/ and a sodomist/ rapist while in prison, and felt enormous rage and shame. He took it all out on a much weaker, more innocent person. In spades.

Had Chandra Levy not been involved with Gary Condit I would have thought it likely that a lowlife she crossed paths with as a student intern in the prison system was also her murderer.
Truly horribly sick evil people want to rid the world of good as much as we, the good people, want THEM gone.

[strach304]

I'm gonna put my theory out here if for no other reason just so I'm safe somewhat but at least this way it's not a secret and I'm not the only one with this knowledge.
First and foremost I wanna make it clear Darryl was never a boyfriend that was not our relationship. That's all I can really say.

So here it goes. That bar is a front mostly for big time drug sales. I do have knowledge of his scale of drug activity and it's huge. I made mention of him and his partner at the time when I knew him trying to give that indication mostly I wanna be clear on that because Baltimore is full of what one knows are aplenty dealing and sporting .22's they kill too and are dangerous but no where even in the same stratosphere as these guys and many others and yeah they have drug wars and they kill each other at the snap of a finger.
These are the types of people we don't want to know or be around if we are smart and want to live. This guy sports a 9 millimeter semi-auto matic his partner a .44 magnum if they shoot you it's to kill. They wear them ready in the waistband even in the summer with a short sleeved button top for instance sometimes unbuttoned so you see and you know what your dealing with. My father has a .44 but he's a gun collector and sportsman.

Lots of drug bars are fronts in Balto. before anyone thinks the bf idea I have never in my life done illicit drugs so I'm not connected to these people in their crimes or engaging in them. The way that works for me is I'm aware of it, I know the who's it's offered to you by these people and done right in front of you if you're cool and trustworthy in their opionion. I am simply because I'm not stupid and being straight and smart has kept me alive in the worst of company.I think Imetta was having a good time feeling good maybe silly it was offered she said sure I'll try it (remember didn't wanna go home) she was drunk, she was fine, all those conflictions. Ok sometime after her trying it the conversation was probably playful kiddish and the FBI agent Sheriff Marshal went down. He was joking back he thought when he said that and next her criminal justice story came out. I can see their faces but that poor girl had no idea probably of the magnitude or extent of their set up. I can guess what they were thinking and although she may have even giggled and stuff didn't act threatening or anything of the kind it was a fatal mistake and too late she knew location, people by the way he's a doorman I think is what they call them when it's a drug bar, basically same idea he's the big bad meanie who will shoot you if you try a robbery or whatever so it's kind of like a bouncer but illegal and dangerous unlike the traditional ones we refer to.
If she decides to sometime in her law career to go after them or just can't trust her not to make that one phone call or a slip to a cop friend anything at all they're done. Next I offer the didn't kill her till possibly that two hour time frame we heard about of when she died. Why? Coke I know out of the system pretty fast they had to keep her alive long enough so it didn't show up in the toxicology, with meth so popular maybe even that but I'm betting on coke because of Darryl. She was kept alive and somewhere maybe right there. Nothing any of them told the police was true, she never left there. That's what I think.

[strach304]

You know Laura I don't wanna think it went down that way and with so many inaccuracies out there I have no way of knowing if it was a similated rape and if the cutting was done to mask that and feed the deranged serial killer on the loose media frenzy they orchastrated. I am holding on to that little dna tidbit none was found as far as we know in the way of semen or anything else and LE nor the coroner can say if it's because there was no real penetration or they used a condom. I don't think so because they were so careful and if they didn't totally brutalize and torture her no chance of dna.

[strach304]

There is no reason he couldn't have obtained those things in life if that's what he wanted. I really don't think so, it's a good ploy when he's trying to make excuses for his crimes to a judge but not an honest account for why he's in court or whatever situation may apply at the time. The so called poverty poor black kid. Nah, he's who he is because that's who and what he chooses.

[strach304]

This guy isn't a punk player type and the way he comes across he's role playing in my mind for whatever the script may be. He's likable and all that but for me I knew a little bit, more to the point than she did and I know a lot of others as well that come across really well like that. Even with intelligent women she had no knowledge of who he really was whereas I did first off drug dealer with a very large gun so I was looking for it so to to speak, she had no reason to think he was anything but the bouncer, funny, likable guy. I'm just giving it staright to you, these guys don't usually give anything away in that setting. Don't forget there were girls in this group too that are friends co-criminals and what ever. I have to believe they are drug users themselves they know to play nice or else. There were girls there that made her feel safer than just talking to him maybe and the girls interact in a positive way to him if she did wonder or whatever they way the other girls there that do do him reinforce any misgivings or bad vibes she may have got. One other thing he actually would've been trusted by her over say a patron that she knew nothing about, the bouncer works there you know who he is so to speak unlike a patron that says hi my name's Mike what's yours? Everything that comes out of his mouth right down to the name can be bull but everybody knows and likes the bouncer.
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[the original tez]

My guess is either two or three or a combination of those two.

I feel like he is the one that killed her. The tox reports should be interesting to say the least. I think that they will show a presence of GHB.

[cathieq]

Actually, I have no earthly idea but I'll give it a whirl:

I believe it began innocently enough. I don't think Littlejohn set out to kidnap/murder anyone that night (if he did it); I think from what I've heard that he is so egotistical that he thinks all women are attracted to him and want his ninja body. I don't think there was any secret goings on either. I think the bar owner's son wanted to close up shop and go home, maybe even had a hot date, and wanted Imette outta there - pronto. So since Littlejohn was leaving for the night anyway and he was the bouncer, he did what his boss told him to do and escorted an unwillingly Imette out the side door.

From the newspaper articles, we know Littlejohn worked out regularly at home and at the local gym. Pumping iron is the main activity in prison and the strenuous exercises the body undergoes also gives one an immediate high - the release of endorphins (sp?) by the pituitary gland and nervous system is similar to the use of methamphetamine (mental and physical stimulants) and are thought to be connected to euphoric feelings and the release of sex hormones. Couple this with the use of steroids, which I've heard is rampant in prison and you've got trouble just waiting to happen. Pumping iron is also addicting, much like caffeine and nicotine.

He probably offered the girl a ride home. I've heard accounts that the street is normally deserted at 4 a.m., taxis hard to come by, and I've also heard the opposite. But from the pics I've seen of the street, the area didn't look safe. Imette, I'm sure, was not afraid of the guy. He'd been kind and attentive everytime she'd been there, I expect. So of all the people to accept a lift from - an employee of The Falls would be the safest bet. And a bouncer to boot - I mean, who would accost a lady with her own personal bodyguard?

Now I'm guessing, you know...but note this: sexual issues have been associated with steroid usage and pumping iron. So steroids + pumping iron + narcissism + intelligence + opportunity + sexual frustration (needing a release) and on..and on....equals a Darryl Littlejohn. Add in the mix, an attractive inebriated woman in the passenger seat....

[strach304]

Ok does everyone remember me telling you about his drug connections? Now it's all coming out big drug king pin he worked for, he was never a little street corner little gun toting thug. He was a career criminal and Imette was pleasure. I'm glad the reporters are getting it out there keeps things safe and I can't help but see the irony in the young reporters story of her feeling at how lucky she feels after interviewing who she thought was just a normal bar bouncer guy that got caught up in this whole thing and now her realization of who he really was. You see I always knew that he had sick minded pleasure for personal kicks making him more dangerous than other career criminals. As the police dig now that someone finally focused on the man watch the horror that comes out. Ted Bundy is a like character in his personal crimes but of course this guy was also a professional thug too.

[concernedperson]

Ok does everyone remember me telling you about his drug connections? Now it's all coming out big drug king pin he worked for, he was never a little street corner little gun toting thug. He was a career criminal and Imette was pleasure. I'm glad the reporters are getting it out there keeps things safe and I can't help but see the irony in the young reporters story of her feeling at how lucky she feels after interviewing who she thought was just a normal bar bouncer guy that got caught up in this whole thing and now her realization of who he really was. You see I always knew that he had sick minded pleasure for personal kicks making him more dangerous than other career criminals. As the police dig now that someone finally focused on the man watch the horror that comes out. Ted Bundy is a like character in his personal crimes but of course this guy was also a professional thug too.

I am just glad your butt is away from him. I know I have crossed paths with bad guys too.Ya just never know and oh! never believe their mothers.

[txsvicki]

Ok does everyone remember me telling you about his drug connections? Now it's all coming out big drug king pin he worked for, he was never a little street corner little gun toting thug. He was a career criminal and Imette was pleasure. I'm glad the reporters are getting it out there keeps things safe and I can't help but see the irony in the young reporters story of her feeling at how lucky she feels after interviewing who she thought was just a normal bar bouncer guy that got caught up in this whole thing and now her realization of who he really was. You see I always knew that he had sick minded pleasure for personal kicks making him more dangerous than other career criminals. As the police dig now that someone finally focused on the man watch the horror that comes out. Ted Bundy is a like character in his personal crimes but of course this guy was also a professional thug too.

I wonder why the drug lords haven't "rubbed him out" because he was running around telling people that he is a federal marshall, wearing a gun while on parole, wearing a bullet proof vest, a badge, acting strange, dressing like a ninja, calling attention to himself, etc. Seems like he would be a loose cannon or a danger to the really higher ups. He didn't even have his own home but lived with his Aunt and drove a van. I know meth stays in the body for several days so if Imette did any of that type thing, it will show up. Strach, I had asked you on that closed thread if you knew him or saw him long enough to be able to tell if he shaved his body hair the same as his head. I meant like arms, eyebrows, something that could be seen. I thought that maybe since he may be the rapist of at least those 3 women, he might continually keep any hairs from growing and being a source of dna.

[strach304]

Oh I'm sorry Txsvicki, I didn't see that the threads were moving so fast and I was trying to get to them all and probably never got back to that thread. Are you a LE Officer? That is an excellent question and I never thought anything of it till you asked and it probably is something important for LE to know and they should have taken the opportunity I gave them to ask me stuff like that. Yes, he did shave his chest and pubic hair. He has a scar also from a stab wound he told me that's how he got it and it's visible on his chest. He might be the one that had a bullet hole scar on his butt too but I'm not sure because it was a long time ago. Definitely a black guy with the bullet hole scar on his butt though. I had a deep sea diver that showed me scars from shark bites one time. They were much more memorable.

[txsvicki]

Oh I'm sorry Txsvicki, I didn't see that the threads were moving so fast and I was trying to get to them all and probably never got back to that thread. Are you a LE Officer? That is an excellent question and I never thought anything of it till you asked and it probably is something important for LE to know and they should have taken the opportunity I gave them to ask me stuff like that. Yes, he did shave his chest and pubic hair. He has a scar also from a stab wound he told me that's how he got it and it's visible on his chest. He might be the one that had a bullet hole scar on his butt too but I'm not sure because it was a long time ago. Definitely a black guy with the bullet hole scar on his butt though. I had a deep sea diver that showed me scars from shark bites one time. They were much more memorable.

Thanks for answering. Oh no, I was never smart enough, or brave enough to be in LE. I know that I didn't come up with that idea on my own either and must have heard it on television at one time in the past. It was his shaved head, the lack of dna in the rapes, and his doing things to Imette's hair that caused me to think of it. Well, I'll bet that he won't be shaving much longer unless they allow it in prison.

[Vet4Bush]

I have to consider if Imette was already working for a police agency, maybe the FBI, since she joked that she was an FBI agent. She was seeking a Masters degree in CJ. Where was she going to work after receiving her degree, three months away? Had she already applied for an FBI job? A police job? Isn't that where CJ degreed people go? Perhaps she was already working undercover on a Mob or Drug crime. This could have spooked the people at the Falls if she joked that she was FBI. If she spouted some cop jargon while drunk in the presence of the lowlifes running the bar, maybe that was enough to spook them. You gotta think that the people running that bar are dirty and even a John Jay student probably spooks them, because John Jay students are mostly cops and people who want to be cops.