Police Probe Rape Connection to other NYC rapes

[indigomood]

http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=129496

NYPD investigators are probing whether jailed parolee Darryl Littlejohn, the Manhattan bar bouncer being eyed in the slaying of Imette St. Guillen, is connected to the rapes of three New York women who were brutalized by a van-driving man posing as a federal agent, law enforcement sources told the Herald.

“There is a serial rapist posing as a federal agent, grabbing women, who has struck at least three times” in the New York City area, an official source said yesterday.

“Littlejohn has been known to impersonate law enforcement. He has a van. We are taking a very close look at those cases,” the source said.

In the three attacks, the rapist identified himself as an immigration officer before pulling the women into the van and throwing a blanket over their heads so they could not identify him, the sources said. He then drove to an underground garage, where the women were raped and sexually assaulted.

No DNA evidence was recovered from the three attacks. The victims told investigators their attacker wiped them down after the rape with some sort of disinfectant swabs, the police sources said.

Investigators who searched Littlejohn’s residence in Queens from Monday evening into yesterday morning recovered alcohol swabs and plastic ties in his home, the sources said. They also took sections of his carpet, hair samples and fibers, a law enforcement source said.

More At Link

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

Omg!!!

[Peggy Maxwell]

OMG is right. That's the first solid thing I've seen (besides jamming his locks to his living quarters) that really points to him. Good thing he's at Riker's now.

[docwho3]

OMG is right. That's the first solid thing I've seen (besides jamming his locks to his living quarters) that really points to him. Good thing he's at Riker's now. I think if we are patient more will come out about this guy.

[Peggy Maxwell]

I think if we are patient more will come out about this guy.
You're right. I think the police are (understandably) witholding information. I consider him a violent person because of his record, I've just been cautious about making any judgements as to this case because of a lack of facts.

[indigomood]

Also from that article...

Several of Littlejohn’s Queens neighbors described the ex-con as a strange man who was often spotted wearing black jackets with the words “Marshal” emblazoned on the back. He was also seen sporting a badge around his neck.

The NYPD has also recovered a resume that Littlejohn gave to The Falls that stated he worked for a “federal fugitive recovery team” as a federal marshal, sources said.

Co-workers at The Falls said Littlejohn came to work several times wearing a gun and bulletproof vest, in violation of his parole. Littlejohn, a career criminal, was called a “menace to society” by the New York State Parole Board two months before he was set loose.

[Peggy Maxwell]

The Herald has another story saying that Littlejohn was an enforcer for a major drug dealer. Scary guy.

[txsvicki]

Any man who poses as law enforcement has to be some kind of psycho. The only ones I've ever heard of doing that besides schizoprenics are rapists. I believe the ex con is a violent rapist. Many rapes include sodomy which is what happened to Imette. The bouncer ex con has probably brutalized other women and will be proven by dna. Littlejohn has probably also brutalized other inmates during his many incarcerations or even raped male prostitutes.

[Peggy Maxwell]

Any man who poses as law enforcement has to be some kind of psycho. The only ones I've ever heard of doing that besides schizoprenics are rapists. I believe the ex con is a violent rapist. Many rapes include sodomy which is what happened to Imette. The bouncer ex con has probably brutalized other women and will be proven by dna. Littlejohn has probably also brutalized other inmates during his many incarcerations or even raped male prostitutes.
We've had several LE impersonators around my parts. One murdered a young woman after stopping her car only a block from home. In light of new info in the Boston Herald, it looks like DL graduated from rape to rape/murder, and (IMO) wouldn't have stopped with one. I've done some reading about serial killers, but I never dreamed of it until last night after mulling over this case, and reading others opinions and scenarios.

[txsvicki]

Yes, he must have graduated to murder because Imette knew who he was, where he worked, etc. She wasn't a stranger who knew nothing about him if he only raped. I just wonder if he somewhat planned to abduct and murder a pretty sucessful Manhattan woman or completely acted upon impulse and just thought that he wouldn't get caught.

[strach304]

I'm glad to see they're going right for him he's the big dog in his yard so I don't care if they have 3 illegal aliens they are floating rumors about just to keep him in there till they get what they need. Trust me there's plenty I was just afraid they might not look for it. This is very good news for the good guys. He's nowhere near as infallable as he thinks. That's all they needed to do was really get a look at this guy and that's why he's out there and this happened to Immette because nobody really bothered as far as law enforcement. Now that he's in their radar he'll go down once and for all. Not one more Imette ever again I hope. See sometimes the police don't see how bad they really are and the depravity that exists in psychopaths like him cause they just think all their punks or something. Now the Sheriff Marshal thing I'm wondering if that's where it's gonna end up as real evidence and what she knew that made him kill her. Is this based on enough statements just to hold him to investigate and all the goods? :waitasec:
I'm just happy they're working on it and I know they'll get it good as long as they want it. They bounced back, I'm humming a little tune. Was starting to worry about my own fate since certain somebody's do know where I am now.

[strach304]

Yes, he must have graduated to murder because Imette knew who he was, where he worked, etc. She wasn't a stranger who knew nothing about him if he only raped. I just wonder if he somewhat planned to abduct and murder a pretty sucessful Manhattan woman or completely acted upon impulse and just thought that he wouldn't get caught.

Do you really think this is his first? He felt it was necessary for Imette definitely. Like the detective said lets see what physical evidence or whatever he can come up with and go for it. I'm not convinced that's why it happened. Yes I did make it a point to tell the one detective that he usually picks the types that won't go to police like druggies and prostitutes but that would apply to crimes against illegal immigrants even more so. They're onto him and it'll work out but they need a certain bedside manner if they want testimony and confidence and all the rest. I can tell you these women always feel like it's hunting season on them with very good reason.

[strach304]

If they can prove the rape part of these other women and the illegal alien angle for victims insert the Federal marshal part there's the connection and Imette is hispanic. These are serious considerations for a jury. Links and actual evidence. Live testimony and I know I saw dna mentioned to prove the rapes of the illegal aliens I think? Go for it and if Mr. Smooth Criminal goes down for the rape he set up, that's justice. :woohoo:

[strach304]

Almost forgot about the prison inmates there's the sodomy link they can use for Imettes case there, maybe that's where they're getting his precious dna to give back to him. His depravity is his downfall. These guys are really good if they can produce that evidence because then that way he's charged and pays for Imette not just any of his crimes just to get him behind bars this way they get their man that they know was guilty all along and they get their due. Yah! Win Win of course not for Imette but a wonderful way for them to turn it around and honor her in death.

[strach304]

I just thought of it if these women come forward and testify at the trial they will be elligible for the reward. Now that will guarantee the testimony of three witnesses. I don't know about the prison inmate but I don't see why not him too. They have Le's guarantee that he's geting convicted on the murder and put away for life. He's not necessarily a threat or gonna be able to get to them. I really want them to check him out good though cause I'm not aware of his current connections and his drug thugs have always been big time so my new hereoes better get that end too. I don't think I'd be afraid of the cohorts at the bar but I don't know them or anything about them. They seem to me like the type that is no threat kinda preppy even, all about the money and that's why he attached himself to them in the way that he did. You can bet their afraid of him.

[strach304]

Wow! Even I'm impressed with these guys they are good, they know what they need they went out and got it. Stick a fork in him he's done and now I might actaully be able to sleep vbecause I haven't even attempted it in two nights now. If Balto could train with these guys they might really be able to clean up that cess pool. We have had many instances of the fake cops there too. I love my little quiet corner in nowhere land. I've never been scared in NY cautious yes. They hit his house and neighborhood and hit paydirt! Gave a real nice summation to the press and I love the little move to Rikers, they're so cool. I almost wanna call him and laugh at him but no because in my mind and my world he shouldn't have been on the street to do do this. What was the warrant Md. had they coudn't be bothered with even trying to enforce it to get him off the street?

[Beffie]

“Littlejohn has been known to impersonate law enforcement. He has a van. We are taking a very close look at those cases,” the source said.

In the three attacks, the rapist identified himself as an immigration officer before pulling the women into the van and throwing a blanket over their heads so they could not identify him, the sources said. He then drove to an underground garage, where the women were raped and sexually assaulted.

No DNA evidence was recovered from the three attacks. The victims told investigators their attacker wiped them down after the rape with some sort of disinfectant swabs, the police sources said.



This has to be why he decided to kill Imette, she could of identified him. Especially if she told him she works for the FBI. This is one scary guy. Glad he is off the streets.

[txsvicki]

Do you really think this is his first? He felt it was necessary for Imette definitely. Like the detective said lets see what physical evidence or whatever he can come up with and go for it. I'm not convinced that's why it happened. Yes I did make it a point to tell the one detective that he usually picks the types that won't go to police like druggies and prostitutes but that would apply to crimes against illegal immigrants even more so. They're onto him and it'll work out but they need a certain bedside manner if they want testimony and confidence and all the rest. I can tell you these women always feel like it's hunting season on them with very good reason.

I think that this is his first rape/murder in the New York and surrounding area using that MO and involving a woman because at the very beginning LE said that there were none and they thought it was a crime of opportunity. I don't know who the 3 women were who were raped, but it sounds like they couldn't identify him due to the blanket being thrown over the head. I read that they contacted LE. Yes, I've said that the freak probably raped men in prison, male prostitutes, and other women. I don't think that Imette had any info on him and had to be gotten rid of. He was just some loser who thought he was something and may have had some drug involvement.

[MrsMush99]

This has to be why he decided to kill Imette, she could of identified him. Especially if she told him she works for the FBI. This is one scary guy. Glad he is off the streets.

I agree. He didn't kill any of the other women (if he is the rapist). But why mutilate her?? That's the part I don't understand.

[Chica]

I agree. He didn't kill any of the other women (if he is the rapist). But why mutilate her?? That's the part I don't understand.

I think it is like Strach said . . . he was trying to throw LE off his trail . . . mutilating Imette would make it look like a psycho/serial killer did it!

[MrsMush99]

I think it is like Strach said . . . he was trying to throw LE off his trail . . . mutilating Imette would make it look like a psycho/serial killer did it!


Well it certainly fooled me. I thought for sure it was a serial killer. He might be a serial rapist though, so at least I got the serial part right.:rolleyes:

[indigomood]

Sources said Littlejohn was put in lineups yesterday for other unsolved sexual assaults, but no victims picked him out. Last night, cops removed additional evidence from his home, including clothing and stained pieces of carpet. Cops also took socks to see if they match the tube sock shoved down St. Guillen's throat.

More At Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397815p-337102c.html)

[tiredblondy]

Sources said Littlejohn was put in lineups yesterday for other unsolved sexual assaults, but no victims picked him out. Last night, cops removed additional evidence from his home, including clothing and stained pieces of carpet. Cops also took socks to see if they match the tube sock shoved down St. Guillen's throat.

More At Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/397815p-337102c.html)
referring to your link I definitely think "Daniel Dorian" needs to be charged with obstructing justice..What a jerk!!!!!What else does he have to hide??

[dragonfly]

referring to your link I definitely think "Daniel Dorian" needs to be charged with obstructing justice..What a jerk!!!!!What else does he have to hide??I agree!
From that same link....


Dorrian allegedly gave cops misleading information about St. Guillen's final minutes in The Falls, potentially giving the killer a week to destroy or hide damning evidence, sources said.

"He's a man with no conscience whatsoever," a police source said of Dorrian.

(what a powerful statement! tiredblondy, after his third LE interview let's hope they FINALLY got the truth out of him!!)

[englishleigh]

referring to your link I definitely think "Daniel Dorian" needs to be charged with obstructing justice..What a jerk!!!!!What else does he have to hide??

I'm sure someone has posted this, but brother Michael Dorrian used to (or may still) own a NYC bar called Dorrian's....and it was from this bar that Jennifer Levin left on her fateful midnight walk with her killer, Robert Chambers, in 1986. Michael Dorrian sure has some kind of record of heinous crimes happening after people leave his establishments....

[dark_shadows]

I'm sure someone has posted this, but brother Michael Dorrian used to (or may still) own a NYC bar called Dorrian's....and it was from this bar that Jennifer Levin left on her fateful midnight walk with her killer, Robert Chambers, in 1986. Michael Dorrian sure has some kind of record of heinous crimes happening after people leave his establishments....I posted that Jack Dorrian owns the family bar.Jack's son John was bartending the night that Jennifer left the bar and was found murdered.John Zaccaro jr. was bartending when Imette was in the bar.John Zaccaro sr. owns the building.

[concernedperson]

I posted that Jack Dorrian owns the family bar.Jack's son John was bartending the night that Jennifer left the bar and was found murdered.John Zaccaro jr. was bartending when Imette was in the bar.John Zaccaro sr. owns the building.

Whoa, I missed that. What the heck is going on with these people? I thought it was all Dorrian family members.

[dark_shadows]

Whoa, I missed that. What the heck is going on with these people? I thought it was all Dorrian family members.Hi Concernedperson,
Zaccaro and Ferraro own the building.

[concernedperson]

Hi Concernedperson,
Zaccaro and Ferraro own the building.

I knew that. I didn't realize baby Zaccaro was working as a bartender.

[englishleigh]

I knew that. I didn't realize baby Zaccaro was working as a bartender.

Neither did I. I hope he's been truthful with police. :eek:

[dark_shadows]

I knew that. I didn't realize baby Zaccaro was working as a bartender.
I am sorry that it was posted backwards(no I am not dyslexic:)).
John Zaccaro jr. was bartending when Jennifer was last seen in the bar(the Red Hand).
Michael Dorrian,Jack Dorrian's son was bartending the night Imette was last seen at the bar(The Falls).

[dark_shadows]

200 Lafayette is a building owned by the Zaccaro's and was tied to a major porn distirbutor involved with the mob.This is one of the reasons why Geraldine lost the run for presidential run.
Mob connections.

[concernedperson]

I am sorry that it was posted backwards(no I am not dyslexic:)).
John Zaccaro jr. was bartending when Jennifer was last seen in the bar(the Red Hand).
Michael Dorrian,Jack Dorrian's son was bartending the night Imette was last seen at the bar(The Falls).

So, baby Zaccaro wasn't bartending when Imette disappeared? Right?

[dark_shadows]

So, baby Zaccaro wasn't bartending when Imette disappeared? Right?Baby Dorrian was.Baby Zaccaro was bartending when Jennifer disappered and was found dead.
Either way,Dorrian's owned both bars,Zaccaro's owned both buildings and both had sons bartending when someone was found dead.

[concernedperson]

Baby Dorrian was.Baby Zaccaro was bartending when Jennifer disappered and was found dead.

OK, we are back on track. Still, the Dorrians are not people I would want to know or even be around.I understand that the lunch crowd today was zip. So, others must feel the same way.

[Masterj]

Now I am confused. I read it was Danny Dorrian, brother of the owner, who was bartending.

[dark_shadows]

Now I am confused. I read it was Danny Dorrian, brother of the owner, who was bartending.Michael,not Danny.

[tiredblondy]

Michael,not Danny.
dark shadows....did you read this???

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...2p-337040c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/397692p-337040c.html)

[concernedperson]

dark shadows....did you read this???

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...2p-337040c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/397692p-337040c.html)

That is what I thought. I keep getting confused with what is posted and what I have read.

[Masterj]

That is what I thought. I keep getting confused with what is posted and what I have read.
Okay, so according to that article Danny Dorrian was the present acting manager on the night of Imette's murder.

[concernedperson]

Okay, so according to that article Danny Dorrian was the present acting manager on the night of Imette's murder.

OK, back on track again.

[txsvicki]

Yes, Danny Dorian , the liar, who at first reportedly said that he wasn't there.

[strach304]

DL as we will refer to him here was connected, always with the big guys so I knew he would be now. This guy is a prolific criminal of the likes we seldom see exposed because of who he works for. Plenty of cold cases I'm sure they can tie to him if they want to do the work. He's been well connected and protected because of that so that's why he's had free reign multi-state for many years. There's plenty of victims in every state he's traveled. They put him where they need him because the same names coming up from NY I recognize from the city I knew him from. Read the young female reporters story, I told you he was manipulating the media. The NYCPD took their city back once they realized what they were dealing with. This guy has had free reign to do what he wants for many years and has and not once would any other police dept. do anything with him. Maryland was exposed right off because they've had an outstanding warrant for his arrest that they never even tried to enforce. Can you imagine what the Detectives in NY thought when they saw that? Follow the money trail and the same names they are uncovering that start in NY can be found in other high crime cities that he has been to and a trail of cold cases can be tied to this bunch. Ok? They are there to find if they will look and since it's multi-state NYC should be able to pull the FBI in to track the drugs and the hits and cold cases he has left a trail in. His personal crimes are for pleasure and do amount to that of a serial killer but he's also a professional criminal. Now you will see the rape and torture victims he chooses that get to live would not go to police because you will see it unfold they were scared. Illegal imigrants, druggies, prostitutes. battered females, etc. He didn't have to kill them and the ones he did there was no public outcry for many of those. He knew he had to kill Imette but this time no cold case because LE didn't let him get away with it. His connections got cut off too.

[strach304]

Let me just point out the deal with the bar, it was illegal for him to be working there in the first place but that's not all because the man with no conscience knew that so many think that's why the lies started and then he brings in a lawyer. Why would an intelligent businessman put everything on the line to hire him as a bouncer? He wasn't there as a traditional type bouncer it's a coke bar and that's why DL was there. OK? That's why the lies and covering up began because he led LE right back to the bar and I know their biggest fear wasn't losing their liquor license.

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

From AMW
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=32875

Search for Serial Rapist Intensifies After Latest Attack
Women in New York and New Jersey say they're on edge yet again following the latest in a sick series of rapes. Cops say they've had reports of at least nine rapes from women on both sides of the Hudson River. And most of the cases have a lot in common.


In many of the cases, the victims say the suspect snatched them from outside of a bar or club and forced them into his car. After attacking his victims, the suspect is known to throw them into the street in a remote part of New Jersey. While this predator is vicious, police are having a hard time tracking him or collecting forensic evidence.

That's because he frequently wears condoms. And when he doesn't, he cleans off his victims to make sure he doesn't leave any evidence behind. However, over the past few weeks police have gotten a break and been able to confirm that DNA from two of the rape scenes match -- indicating the same man is responsible for those rapes. Cops strongly believe the suspect is responsible for all of the other rapes in this pattern as well

[i.b.nora]

From AMW
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=32875

Search for Serial Rapist Intensifies After Latest Attack
Women in New York and New Jersey say they're on edge yet again following the latest in a sick series of rapes. Cops say they've had reports of at least nine rapes from women on both sides of the Hudson River. And most of the cases have a lot in common.

While there are certainly some similarities in methods, this guy is described as:

"a White, Hispanic male in his mid-twenties. He stands about 5'6" and has a thin build. The rapist carries a silver-folding knife and police say he also drives a small black two-door sports car."

[dark_shadows]

Originally Posted by concernedperson
That is what I thought. I keep getting confused with what is posted and what I have read.

Okay, so according to that article Danny Dorrian was the present acting manager on the night of Imette's murder.

Ok let me say this again;
Michael(Jack Dorrian's son) was BARTENDING.
I said nothing about Michael being an "acting manager."

I knew that. I didn't realize baby Zaccaro was working as a bartender.[/i]

I am sorry that it was posted backwards(no I am not dyslexic:)).
John Zaccaro jr. was bartending when Jennifer was last seen in the bar(the Red Hand).
Michael Dorrian,Jack Dorrian's son was bartending the night Imette was last seen at the bar(The Falls).

[marly56]

From AMW
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=32875

Search for Serial Rapist Intensifies After Latest Attack
Women in New York and New Jersey say they're on edge yet again following the latest in a sick series of rapes. Cops say they've had reports of at least nine rapes from women on both sides of the Hudson River. And most of the cases have a lot in common.


In many of the cases, the victims say the suspect snatched them from outside of a bar or club and forced them into his car. After attacking his victims, the suspect is known to throw them into the street in a remote part of New Jersey. While this predator is vicious, police are having a hard time tracking him or collecting forensic evidence.

That's because he frequently wears condoms. And when he doesn't, he cleans off his victims to make sure he doesn't leave any evidence behind. However, over the past few weeks police have gotten a break and been able to confirm that DNA from two of the rape scenes match -- indicating the same man is responsible for those rapes. Cops strongly believe the suspect is responsible for all of the other rapes in this pattern as well
you know, i sit here and read about all these attacks on women and i wonder WHERE does all this hatred come from? this is real fired-up hatred. i also wonder when these jokers are not in the ''rape mode'' how do they conceal this rage?

[docwho3]

you know, i sit here and read about all these attacks on women and i wonder WHERE does all this hatred come from? this is real fired-up hatred. i also wonder when these jokers are not in the ''rape mode'' how do they conceal this rage? From what little I have read about it, they do similar to a heavily addicted smoker who badly needs a smoke. They think about it alot and visualize it and mentally relive the last time they had the thing they are addicted to.

[marly56]

From what little I have read about it, they do similar to a heavily addicted smoker who badly needs a smoke. They think about it alot and visualize it and mentally relive the last time they had the thing they are addicted to.
i wonder if there is any way to track this type of person before it,s too late. also... although this may sound alarmist, does there seem to be some kind of weird trend in serial killing and serial raping?

[englishleigh]

I posted that Jack Dorrian owns the family bar.Jack's son John was bartending the night that Jennifer left the bar and was found murdered.John Zaccaro jr. was bartending when Imette was in the bar.John Zaccaro sr. owns the building.

DUUUH..Jack Dorrian. I got Michael and Jack confused. And it sounds like Danny is a lying POS...I wonder if he is involved in this?

[dark_shadows]

Sick people.



In his years running the Red Hand, Jack Dorrian became a confidante to scores of other kids - well-heeled preppies who drank there.

Among his clientele: Robert Chambers, the preppy pretty-boy who, on a summer evening in 1986, would put Dorrian's forever on the map when he met Jennifer Levin, 18, there - and later killed her in Central Park.



Jack's sons, Michael and John, had known Chambers since he was 5. After Chambers' arrest, Jack put up his East 71st Street townhouse to help bail Chambers out of jail.

Dorrian said he did it because Chambers' mother, Phyllis, asked him for help.

He said he thought the victim's mother would "understand" - but Levin's parents later hit him with a $25 million suit. It was settled for an undisclosed amount.

After the Chambers debacle, Jack Dorrian handed the reins of the family business to Michael, who has become a nightlife impresario in his own right.

[MrsMush99]

He said he thought the victim's mother would "understand" - but Levin's parents later hit him with a $25 million suit. It was settled for an undisclosed amount.

I just read yesterday that they settled for $100,000. I don't have a link, because I don't remember where I read it.

[concernedperson]

Fox saying that DL is being transported to a Queens facility for a line up. They say they will report live when it happens.

[dark_shadows]

He just arrived at the station with a cloth over his head.

[MIpony]

FOX just showing him entering building...cloth over his head. Removed just as he went in the door. Couldn't see his face, but his head was clean shaven. and he appeared to be everybit of the 200 pounds he was described as. Someone asked earlier if he was still shaved head

[MrsMush99]

Oh darn I missed it. I'm always missing something.

[dark_shadows]

He was not identified in the line-up by the woman.

[concernedperson]

I wonder if the person who viewed the line up is the same person that picked him out of a photo array yesterday or a different person altogether?

[hockeymom]

Is it possable this woman chose not to pick him out? Maybe she found out what a truelly bad guy he is and freaked that some of his cronies may get her.

[indigomood]

Is it possable this woman chose not to pick him out? Maybe she found out what a truelly bad guy he is and freaked that some of his cronies may get her.
interesting thought... he's someone to be feared for sure

[concernedperson]

Is it possable this woman chose not to pick him out? Maybe she found out what a truelly bad guy he is and freaked that some of his cronies may get her.Possible, very possible in light of everything else we have learned.

[marly56]

Possible, very possible in light of everything else we have learned.
wonder why he covered his head in the perp walk?

[concernedperson]

wonder why he covered his head in the perp walk?

So no other recent victims could recognize him. The mug shot we are all seeing is 10 years old. The sketch of the rapist bears some resemblence but not enough to convict. He has lawyered up and these are the things the lawyer is demanding. The police will compromise with the lawyer as not to compromise their case but it doesn't do anything for the public at large.

[marly56]

So no other recent victims could recognize him. The mug shot we are all seeing is 10 years old. The sketch of the rapist bears some resemblence but not enough to convict. He has lawyered up and these are the things the lawyer is demanding. The police will compromise with the lawyer as not to compromise their case but it doesn't do anything for the public at large.
i dont have a tv [by choice] but what does he look like? is he muscular and fit?

[calidreamin]

From the breif look that I got of him he was fit,muscular with a shaved head.

[mysteriew]

Anyone know where this guy was in 9-05?
Could he have been in Ohio? Julie P.'s murder is so similiar to Imette's.
Julie was last seen at the bar, not seen with anyone, drunk, reportedly she was mutilated, and according to some reports there may have been a second person associated with her murder.

[marly56]

Anyone know where this guy was in 9-05?
Could he have been in Ohio? Julie P.'s murder is so similiar to Imette's.
Julie was last seen at the bar, not seen with anyone, drunk, reportedly she was mutilated, and according to some reports there may have been a second person associated with her murder. i would bet there are many many more victims...if you consider that he raped 3 and killed 1 in such a shot period of time..he may be one of those insatiable types. ugh!

[strach304]

Is it possable this woman chose not to pick him out? Maybe she found out what a truelly bad guy he is and freaked that some of his cronies may get her.

I'm betting she saw the gang tattoo recognized it and that in itself would shut her up. The homeless woman didn't go to police either she went to the media, once it's public knowledge you're safer so to speak. I'm really regretting contacting them and being honest about who I am. If anything does happen to me now though I have that covered.

[strach304]

Only info I needed was his MO, I recognized the name and couldn't figure out where I knew it from. The pic just confirmed that it was who I thought it was. I had already contacted LE and also posted here about it, the pic wasn't circulated till after I spoke with one of the detectives and I suggested that to him. I told them if they would e-mail me a pic I could confirm if I saw his face but already told them who I thought it was. I really have to wonder if they're just going through the motions because the media is on it.

[mysteriew]

Only info I needed was his MO, I recognized the name and couldn't figure out where I knew it from. The pic just confirmed that it was who I thought it was. I had already contacted LE and also posted here about it, the pic wasn't circulated till after I spoke with one of the detectives and I suggested that to him. I told them if they would e-mail me a pic I could confirm if I saw his face but already told them who I thought it was. I really have to wonder if they're just going through the motions because the media is on it.
Do you know him?

[strach304]

Do you know him?

Yes I do.

[MrsMush99]

Yes I do.

Strach you live in NY or in one of the other states he was said to be in?

[MrsMush99]

i would bet there are many many more victims...if you consider that he raped 3 and killed 1 in such a shot period of time..he may be one of those insatiable types. ugh!

It may not even be him. DNA didn't match him so far and he was in 2 lineups for the rapes and neither victim could identify him. I just heard on Crier that they took DNA from 12 other workers in the bar. It could be possible that he had not part in the rape and murder, but was part of the coverup.

[strach304]

I know him from somewhere else.

[willowhorse]

I'm betting she saw the gang tattoo recognized it and that in itself would shut her up. The homeless woman didn't go to police either she went to the media, once it's public knowledge you're safer so to speak. I'm really regretting contacting them and being honest about who I am. If anything does happen to me now though I have that covered.I hope the Latin Gangs take him out! Imette St Guillen is latin.

[MrsMush99]

Honestly, I don't think it's the gang tatoo thing. I heard his attorney say last night that she is Janpanese (not that it matters) and he got the impression that she does not read american news papers. And to be honest, I wouldn't know a gang tatoo from a regular one. How many people do?

[txsvicki]

I hope the Latin Gangs take him out! Imette St Guillen is latin.

Oh yeah, that is what I was thinking. I've heard that convicts could care less about anyone killing a woman but maybe the Latinos will care about this one.

[Mygirlsadie]

MrsMush I don't know the gang tatt's personally but I bet ya money the gang members know exactly!



Honestly, I don't think it's the gang tatoo thing. I heard his attorney say last night that she is Janpanese (not that it matters) and he got the impression that she does not read american news papers. And to be honest, I wouldn't know a gang tatoo from a regular one. How many people do?

[strach304]

I don't pay attention to them either but I'm pretty sure I would if I lived in NYC. Part of his MO is to go after women that are not likely to go to the police, you notice he asked for id first from a foreign looking woman and when they can't produce it he grabs and rapes them. Now that's just an example for some that might be connected to him and then you look at Imette and it isn't too hard to make the leap for why he killed her and not others. I still think they'd find more they could tie to him now that they're actually looking at him.

[dark_shadows]

I hope the Latin Gangs take him out! Imette St Guillen is latin.Hi Willowhorse,
The Almighty Latin King Nation could care less about Imette being Latin.They could care less even more concidering the criminal justice studies that she did.
They abuse women,rape women and pimp them out for their personal gain.Alot more.

The ALKN members that we have had and do have in our facility have various King tattoos.
Some have a 5 pointed crown over the left breast.
Some have "Latin Pride" written in old english script in their stomach,back or arms.
Some have their gang name written on their neck.
Lately they have been coming up with tattoos that leave out the ALKN indentifiers because when we see those they are placed in seg,put in the NCIC database when we have 3 or more positive criteria to identify them as a member.(this is for all gang members)

[scandi]

Sorry to go off track here in your discussion, but do you think Littlejohn looks different now from last October?

It appears to me he has gained considerable weight which might throw off a lineup tag. If in October he looked like he did in the photo, but is now changed - I know his head looks much fatter and he looks like he has a lot of bulk to his body when walking - , it would explain how she ID'ed him from the photo but not in person.

Scandi

PS: I did post this question or thought somewhere here a couple of days ago, but reposted it as no one answered me! :confused: LOL

[scandi]

Hi Dark Shadows,

This is OT, but do you notice if Latin gang members have weird haircuts, like a shaved head with just a long tail left at the base of the head in back?

Thanks, and sometime it would be really interesting to have a thread about you and your work, although we hae learned a lot from you already on this thread!

Scandi

[strach304]

Scandi the Oct. pic is from 2003, the next is March 2006

[scandi]

He could have been a lot skinnier in Oct. I knew the pic was from '03, but I also know that guys tend to gain weight coming out of prison especially if they do drugs which tends to make them lose weight after they get out.

I still think that weight could be a factor in why they didn't recognize him in person.

:blowkiss: Scandi

[dark_shadows]

Hi Dark Shadows,

This is OT, but do you notice if Latin gang members have weird haircuts, like a shaved head with just a long tail left at the base of the head in back?

Thanks, and sometime it would be really interesting to have a thread about you and your work, although we hae learned a lot from you already on this thread!

ScandiHi Scandi:) ,
Very nice to hear from you.
The ones that are in the facility right now have Very short hair,shaved close.They have very thin lined beard trails(looks like they are drawn in)Well like the rappers have their hair and facial hair.
One of the guys has two slashes on on his left eyebrow.
I have not ever seen a ALKN member with long hair in the back like you described in our facility.

Here is a picture of the style that I attempted to describe;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Budden.jpg

We have had Los Solidos members that have long hair on the top,pulled in a ponytail with the bottom half of their head shaved.

Thank-you for the post.

[strach304]

Oh I see what you mean Scandi, if he gained more weight from the oct. attack or lost weight the appearance would be different. I thought you thought the two pics circulating were from oct to now. The complexion is also darker in the recent pic and when I do a comparison of the two pics his nose looks much wider which does happen with males as they age.

[docwho3]

Oh I see what you mean Scandi, if he gained more weight from the oct. attack or lost weight the appearance would be different. I thought you thought the two pics circulating were from oct to now. The complexion is also darker in the recent pic and when I do a comparison of the two pics his nose looks much wider which does happen with males as they age. One thing to keep in mind: Body weight and build of serious weight lifters may flux as they change the protein shakes and such that they use along with their exercise routine and of course the 'roid and other supplements they may use can have an effect too.

[scandi]

Thanks Dark Shadow. We've got a group of fascinatin' posters on this case and I love all the newbies, many from NYC I think.

WELCOME Newbies

Crack me up Strach! The nose is one part of the body that never stops growing. :D :D :D Applies to women too! BaHaa Haa Haa :p


Scandi

[hockeymom]

When I saw the artist rendering of LJ in the courtroom,I thought the sketch artist was just bad,but now I can see that he just got fatter. You could definitley not be able to make a positive ID if thats the case.

Don't you think peoples ears get bigger too when they age!! :D

[concernedperson]

Sketches are only as good as the artist. A victim will try to explain and the artist comes up with a reasonable facsimile. Most of the time it is not an exact match but a closeness. So, efforts are frustrated by clouded efforts by the victim, inability to grasp the entire scenario by the artist and so it goes.

Weight gain and loss is an observation. If you are an under the person the weight seems heavier. If you are attacked quickly and subdued then your perspective is the person is large. If you are in Walmart shopping center and some guy rams your cart you might think him a little dweeb. The threat level is what changes your perspective.

Rape victims are dealing with so much.This is why the crimes are hard to prosecute unless there is strong DNA evidence. Dark Shadows can give a more exacting picture of what I am trying to say. As she deals with this on a daily basis. I am not discounting one witness and/or one contributing factor since this is an ongoing investigation.

[hockeymom]

Also when they say the witnesses couldn't identify the suspect,that could mean they were 99% sure,but not 100%. They could have said,"I think its him but I can't positively say". I guess nobody knows that unless you are in the room.

[dark_shadows]

Sketches are only as good as the artist. A victim will try to explain and the artist comes up with a reasonable facsimile. Most of the time it is not an exact match but a closeness. So, efforts are frustrated by clouded efforts by the victim, inability to grasp the entire scenario by the artist and so it goes.

Weight gain and loss is an observation. If you are an under the person the weight seems heavier. If you are attacked quickly and subdued then your perspective is the person is large. If you are in Walmart shopping center and some guy rams your cart you might think him a little dweeb. The threat level is what changes your perspective.

Rape victims are dealing with so much.This is why the crimes are hard to prosecute unless there is strong DNA evidence. Dark Shadows can give a more exacting picture of what I am trying to say. As she deals with this on a daily basis. I am not discounting one witness and/or one contributing factor since this is an ongoing investigation.
Hi Concernedperson,
Nice to see your post.
When a person is under duress,not many things are remembered.Just as you say Concernedperson,perseptions and perspectives are not in real-time.

So many images and thoughts are going through their minds.They are also thinking that they will be looked down upon by all.
Also evidence can be washed away when the woman or man goes home and wants to wash away the horror that he or she just went through.
I can discuss more later.Right now I am going to enjoy the rest of my night off with a cup of hot chocolate with marshmellow,a good movie and a fluffy blanket.I might come back on later.


There is a photo in the NY Post showing a close-up photo of Littlejohn in the police vehicle.

[MIpony]

I also thought I read in one of the earlier articles that two women didn't even do a "line up" because something had been thrown over their heads before the attack. So they would not be able to positively identify anyone.

http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=129496

[concernedperson]

Hi Concernedperson,
Nice to see your post.
When a person is under duress,not many things are remembered.Just as you say Concernedperson,perseptions and perspectives are not in real-time.

So many images and thoughts are going through their minds.They are also thinking that they will be looked down upon by all.
Also evidence can be washed away when the woman or man goes home and wants to wash away the horror that he or she just went through.
I can discuss more later.Right now I am going to enjoy the rest of my night off with a cup of hot chocolate with marshmellow,a good movie and a fluffy blanket.I might come back on later.


There is a photo in the NY Post showing a close-up photo of Littlejohn in the police vehicle.
Enjoy your evening you deserve it. Your insights and your perspective keeps us on our toes. And never think I don't value LE. I know the victim perspective (unfortunately) but I also know the effort that goes into all of these crimes whether they can be proven or not. I also know the public help is becoming more and more importent. The more people speak out the more likely a crime can be solved. For without the info dots cannot be connected.Investigations only go so far.

It takes people to help. All of us, to raise awareness, to report what you think might not be importent and to risk ridicule,to proceed forward, to venture and to be challenged. If you don't speak then others are compromised. If you are wrong, then have a cup of chocolate and at least know you tried. If you are right, then you may have saved someone's life. There is no other way to look at this.....TRY!

[scandi]

You are so right Concerned,

I have mentally hit myself in the head for not reporting something I saw several years ago. I've written about it before but it is a good reminder!

Riding on the bus one afternoon I sat across from an older man who had a little girl about 7 or so sitting next to him. He had his arm around her which I could tell right away from her disposition she didn't like. He kept rubbing her shoulder and she'd look at him with disdain as he did that, and try to scoot away from him. He was holding her quite close.

I knew that little girl didn't belong to that man! He could have been an uncle or grandpa, but there was something so telling about how close he held her and his constant rubbing of her body.

I looked around on the bus and it was pretty full. I almost stood up and was going to tell the driver he looked suspicious but he was sitting right behind the driver so I decided against it.

I've kicked myself ever since. I was worried I'd be way wrong and they'd think I was goofy. And then I'd have to tell them I belonged to a crime forum, and they'd raise their eyebrows at me and stroke their chins! LOL


Scandi

[concernedperson]

You are so right Concerned,

I have mentally hit myself in the head for not reporting something I saw several years ago. I've written about it before but it is a good reminder!

Riding on the bus one afternoon I sat across from an older man who had a little girl about 7 or so sitting next to him. He had his arm around her which I could tell right away from her disposition she didn't like. He kept rubbing her shoulder and she'd look at him with disdain as he did that, and try to scoot away from him. He was holding her quite close.

I knew that little girl didn't belong to that man! He could have been an uncle or grandpa, but there was something so telling about how close he held her and his constant rubbing of her body.

I looked around on the bus and it was pretty full. I almost stood up and was going to tell the driver he looked suspicious but he was sitting right behind the driver so I decided against it.

I've kicked myself ever since. I was worried I'd be way wrong and they'd think I was goofy. And then I'd have to tell them I belonged to a crime forum, and they'd raise their eyebrows at me and stroke their chins! LOL


Scandi
We have to keep trying.Think of Tracy Dean. She never gave up although she thought it another child. Wrong child right scenario. Both of these perps are jailed and we don't know yet where it is going. But it is going somewhere.Some mom or dad is going to get resolve and it is because of Tracy Dean. Hinkey meters are whatever and so importent. Just go with the flow and report anything you think is aberrant.

[txsvicki]

Sorry to go off track here in your discussion, but do you think Littlejohn looks different now from last October?

It appears to me he has gained considerable weight which might throw off a lineup tag. If in October he looked like he did in the photo, but is now changed - I know his head looks much fatter and he looks like he has a lot of bulk to his body when walking - , it would explain how she ID'ed him from the photo but not in person.

Scandi

PS: I did post this question or thought somewhere here a couple of days ago, but reposted it as no one answered me! :confused: LOL


Here's a link to a really good blog that I found. It has different pics of littlejohn then and now. It also mentions that the rapist took the women's clothes and even had one gargle with mouthwash.

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/

[scandi]

Thanks Txvicki,

That is an interesting site. I think the guy looks very different, even in his side profile. It must just be me.

On Steve's blog he had an article about some killings up in Maryland I believe who he thought fit the profile of Littlejohn due to their meticulous aspect. The cleaning, setting shoes {red ones} neatly by the victim, etc. Turns out they did find the killer and it wasn't Littlejohn, but what I'm thinking this might be a common trait for criminals who are involved in sex crimes. Cleanliness and neatness.

Do you see Littlejohn doing these things to Imette that were done to her? I think he had a co-sicko with him who was really off the wall, slicing her like that and the tape on the face. A brain would have to be seriously mental to even think of doing things like that, and then actually doing them. He/They had her for what 15 1/2 hours? It is astounding when you think about that. They well could have been doing drugs as there was plenty of time.

I hope we learn more soon.

Scandi

[marly56]

Thanks Txvicki,

That is an interesting site. I think the guy looks very different, even in his side profile. It must just be me.

On Steve's blog he had an article about some killings up in Maryland I believe who he thought fit the profile of Littlejohn due to their meticulous aspect. The cleaning, setting shoes {red ones} neatly by the victim, etc. Turns out they did find the killer and it wasn't Littlejohn, but what I'm thinking this might be a common trait for criminals who are involved in sex crimes. Cleanliness and neatness.

Do you see Littlejohn doing these things to Imette that were done to her? I think he had a co-sicko with him who was really off the wall, slicing her like that and the tape on the face. A brain would have to be seriously mental to even think of doing things like that, and then actually doing them. He/They had her for what 15 1/2 hours? It is astounding when you think about that. They well could have been doing drugs as there was plenty of time.

I hope we learn more soon.

Scandi
i am hoping they break this case soon ..cheers to the NYPD!

[strach304]

Morning everyone, I have yet to see a body shot or sketch anywhere of what his build looks like but when I knew him his physic was that of a bull. Not very tall but not short either, broad shoulders and very muscular. I can see him still being strong but he would've had to have aged by now. I remembered him so I'd probably remember his partner as well he was more personable and outgoing whereas Derrick was quiet. I think his partner was a little afraid of him from conversations we had.

[LvsAMystry]

Here's a link to a really good blog that I found. It has different pics of littlejohn then and now. It also mentions that the rapist took the women's clothes and even had one gargle with mouthwash.

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/

Good link, thanks.

Not to go off topic or take things lightly, I don't, but does anyone else think the sketch of the serial rapist with the cap on looks just like Gary Sheffield of the NYY? :D I know it isn't, of course, but that's all I see when I look at that picture!

[concernedperson]

Not saying this person has anything to do with anything regarding the murder if Imette or the other rapes but she sure is an interesting figure.

http://www.nysmostwanted.com/229.htm

[PrayersForMaura]

Here's a link to a really good blog that I found. It has different pics of littlejohn then and now. It also mentions that the rapist took the women's clothes and even had one gargle with mouthwash.

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the link, Vicki! That is a really good blog/site!
Very detailed, good pictures and maps.