Beautiful co-ed murdered #3

[docwho3]

You mean here? - lol

[tipper]

It was said on the news this afternoon (FOX or MSNBC) that the DNA should be back this afternoon or tomorrow. Assuming they did in fact find skin under her fingernails, if it turns out not to be the bouncer's, I would hope that information would be released immediately as a matter of public safety.

If it does turn out to belong to the bouncer, I think this case will disappear from the headlines fairly rapidly.

[MrsMush99]

The DNA of course with shut this case basically if it is him. I still say there may be more involved. I remember when this story first broke they said she was possibly gang rapped.

[Verona]

There is a NY classified that was posted March 1 2006. John A Zaccaro 212-226-1212. 200 Lafayette St. for rent 13,000 sf per flr 2nd-7th. avail. wonder if LE have checked this building out. Keys to it maybe in the office upstairs at 218 Lafayette.

[dark_shadows]

There is a NY classified that was posted March 1 2006. John A Zaccaro 212-226-1212. 200 Lafayette St. for rent 13,000 sf per flr 2nd-7th. avail. wonder if LE have checked this building out. Keys to it maybe in the office upstairs at 218 Lafayette.200 Lafayette street is where Arthur Basile was busted in a major porn ring.The Zaccaro-Ferraro owned building I was speaking about in other posts.200 Lafayette is not in the same building as #218,it is a block or so away.It was owned at one time or still is owned by Zaccaro.

[Verona]

200 Lafayette street is where Arthur Basile was busted in a major porn ring.The Zaccaro-Ferraro owned building I was speaking about in other posts.200 Lafayette is not in the same building as #218,it is a block or so away.It was owned at one time or still is owned by Zaccaro.
If Zaccaro is trying to rent out 200 Lafayette I am still wondering if the keys to it might have been upstairs at 218 Lafayette. What is upstairs at 218?
Office for the Falls? office for Zaccaro? Apts.?

[dark_shadows]

If Zaccaro is trying to rent out 200 Lafayette I am still wondering if the keys to it might have been upstairs at 218 Lafayette. What is upstairs at 218?
Office for the Falls? office for Zaccaro? Apts.?200 is a block away,not in the same building.
Zaccaro owns both buildings.

[T-Rex]

In today's version of the story, Verson 3.8, Imette and DL are on the sidewalk, talking, as the other bouncer leaves by taxi.

Is that what happened, or did Dorrian pay bouncer #2 to say that, in order to place any action OUTSIDE the bar?

[dark_shadows]

Satellite view of street (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=200+Lafayette+St,+New+York,+NY+10012+%4 040.721407,-73.998077&daddr=218+Lafayette+street,ny&f=li&hl=en&dq=200+lafayette+street,ny&cid=&t=k)


You can also use this to see the distance from the bar,the site where Imette was left dead and Littlehohn's home address.

[txsvicki]

In today's version of the story, Verson 3.8, Imette and DL are on the sidewalk, talking, as the other bouncer leaves by taxi.

Is that what happened, or did Dorrian pay bouncer #2 to say that, in order to place any action OUTSIDE the bar?

Looks like that could easily be verified with the taxi driver and any records that they might have kept. There's so many lies and different versions. This is probably the truth. One statement made seemed like it was twisted around. Imette supposedly told the freak that she was an FBI agent and then he said he was a federal marshall and they laughed. I'd bet that it was just the opposite with him trying to tell her his phony story of being a marshall and she probably laughed and said "Yeah right, and I'm an FBI agent". I hope the whole bar full of liars get some sort of criminal charges filed.

[Verona]

200 is a block away,not in the same building.
Zaccaro owns both buildings.
Try this. Do you think Darryl Littlejohn could have got the keys to building 200 (from Zaccaro office in building 218) and took Imette to building 200 to kill her? Since building 200 is empty and for rent.

[strach304]

Verona, you have come across some very important info there and now you have published it somewhere public so that's a good thing, now do the next best thing and send that info to NYCPD and the FBI anonymously. Please listen to me and do this. They've had time to clean that place out because of the original farce they started and had LE in the bar basement. They knew DL was bringing trouble to their door that's why they lied and covered for him at first, once they got themselves covered, well you see. NYCPD so far if you give it to them they will go get it. That guy owns property in other cities DL has operated out of also because I know the name as well from somewhere else. Do it anonymously.

[strach304]

Try this. Do you think Darryl Littlejohn could have got the keys to building 200 (from Zaccaro office in building 218) and took Imette to building 200 to kill her? Since building 200 is empty and for rent.

I think since he is known as the enforcer he has keys and access to many of the properties. I don't know how LE could not have realized in the very beginning of this case how unusual it is for a bouncer of a bar to have keys to the whole building.

[hollyjokers]

Now they are saying Imette was offered a second drink, which she refused, & made a racial slur towards DL. I'm starting to think Littlejohn might be a patsy in all of this. Too many liars in that bar.

[marly56]

Now they are saying Imette was offered a second drink, which she refused, & made a racial slur towards DL. I'm starting to think Littlejohn might be a patsy in all of this. Too many liars in that bar.
who is smearing imette now?

[hollyjokers]

Someone posted a comment on Steve Huff's blog that supposedly copied an article claiming "racial comment key to grad student's murder." It said the article was from Newsday, but now I am looking for it and don't see it anywhere. So I apologize for taking the bait & bringing it back here.

However, I stand by my statement that the bar has too many liars.

[Chanler]

Channel 4 reported that a source had revealed that preliminary fiber test results had provided incriminating DNA results. The statement was not particularized beyond that.

[docwho3]

Now they are saying Imette was offered a second drink, which she refused, & made a racial slur towards DL. I'm starting to think Littlejohn might be a patsy in all of this. Too many liars in that bar.It is starting to sound like a classic case of trashing the victem (by those involved and not the poster) in order to make the guilty look better. I don't really think it is impossible that someone drinking would speak poorly and meanly to someone as alcohol is known to cause such behavior but the way this info keeps coming out in dribs and drabs sounds like it is being made up as it goes.

Let me see how does such a story usually go?:
1. We dont remember a thing . . . er oh yeah she left alone and was alive then. Thats all we know.
2. Then a day or 4 later its ohhhh that girl? She was talking to the bouncer (now that you mention someone saw that) but she was a drunk and the bartender was told to get her out of here. . you know . .We run a class establishment here but she was alive when she left and thats all we know.
3. Ohhhh a scream was heard? . . Oh yes we remember now! We heard a scuffle outside and either a whimper or a scream but she was outside with the bouncer and whatever happened was not under our control. We don't even know it was her that whimpered. But if someone did bad things it was all his own doing. Ok so we are jerks for not looking to see about the noise but we are otherwise as pure as the driven snow.
4. Ohhh! and also the bouncer was called a bad name by the naughty drunk lady. Remember we told the bouncer to tell her to never come back.
Drunks have nasty mouths you know? Maybe she drove the guy nuts or something.

5. Maybe the awful drunk lady even hit the poor bouncer guy outside after calling him that racial slur name and maybe things got out of hand and maybe it was all a terrible accident . . . yeah thats our story.

Edited to add:Even though it sounds as if someone is telling stories I am not saying that means they actually had a hand in her death. At this time I don't have enough info to warrant saying that.

[hollyjokers]

It's beyond ridiculous...How many people were in the bar at closing time? Last I heard it was 2 bouncers, a bartender, 0 other patrons. Yet we have how many versions of drinks she did/didn't finish, or refused altogether, she left of her own volition, or was drug out, she's flirting with the bouncer, she's arguing with him, she's telling people she's FBI, comes off like a totally stuck-up beeyotch. I know people always say nice things about someone when they pass, but it seems Imette's friends really went overboard saying what a sweetheart she was. :liar:
If the DNA comes back linking Littlejohn to this, I'll accept it, but at this point he seems like an easy fall guy to me.

[marly56]

It is starting to sound like a classic case of trashing the victem (by those involved and not the poster) in order to make the guilty look better. I don't really think it is impossible that someone drinking would speak poorly and meanly to someone as alcohol is known to cause such behavior but the way this info keeps coming out in dribs and drabs sounds like it is being made up as it goes.

Let me see how does such a story usually go?:
1. We dont remember a thing . . . er oh yeah she left alone and was alive then. Thats all we know.
2. Then a day or 4 later its ohhhh that girl? She was talking to the bouncer (now that you mention someone saw that) but she was a drunk and the bartender was told to get her out of here. . you know . .We run a class establishment here but she was alive when she left and thats all we know.
3. Ohhhh a scream was heard? . . Oh yes we remember now! We heard a scuffle outside and either a whimper or a scream but she was outside with the bouncer and whatever happened was not under our control. We don't even know it was her that whimpered. But if someone did bad things it was all his own doing. Ok so we are jerks for not looking to see about the noise but we are otherwise as pure as the driven snow.
4. Ohhh! and also the bouncer was called a bad name by the naughty drunk lady. Remember we told the bouncer to tell her to never come back.
Drunks have nasty mouths you know? Maybe she drove the guy nuts or something.

5. Maybe the awful drunk lady even hit the poor bouncer guy outside after calling him that racial slur name and maybe things got out of hand and maybe it was all a terrible accident . . . yeah thats our story.
good post!

[strach304]

More on the ongoing investigation:

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_067221521.html

[strach304]

He always plays the race card and he did it in this case too. I have read several reports even with the young reporter who was doing the interviews with him and feels very fortunate because she herself admits thinking he was just an innocent guy caught up in something because of his job and it turns out he was just using her to get his side out in the press and accuse LE of focusing on him because he was the only black person there. He tried to use her to get LE off his back because they were watching him. His mother said the same thing to a reporter and they printed it. Now the media is getting the real story from LE.

[Marisa714]

snippet:

NEW YORK - NYPD detectives have matched carpet fibers seized from the home of career criminal Darryl Littlejohn with threads recovered from the packing tape and blanket used to wrap up the face and body of rape and murder victim Imette St. Guillen of Boston, the Herald has learned.
http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=129652

[hollyjokers]

DL playing the race card has nothing to do with the fact that the manager/bartender and other employees, 11 days after the event, can't get their stories straight. And the more elaborate the stories get, the more it seems to paint Imette in a less than flattering light...what is the motivation for trashing her?

[Marisa714]

I hope the media is correct about this and it doesn't turn out to be false!!!

[strach304]

Just posted another one in the media link they have connected to him.

[i.b.nora]

snippet:

NEW YORK - NYPD detectives have matched carpet fibers seized from the home of career criminal Darryl Littlejohn with threads recovered from the packing tape and blanket used to wrap up the face and body of rape and murder victim Imette St. Guillen of Boston, the Herald has learned.
http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=129652
This is HUGE!
The Boston Herald and Michele McPhee in particular has had, in my opinion, the best reporting on this case so far. Michele was on Rita Cosby's show tonight. She impresses me.

[Marisa714]

Strach,

Do you think this will pan out w/the DNA matches? Just want your opinion on it cause you usually seem to be a few steps ahead ;-)

[marly56]

snippet:

NEW YORK - NYPD detectives have matched carpet fibers seized from the home of career criminal Darryl Littlejohn with threads recovered from the packing tape and blanket used to wrap up the face and body of rape and murder victim Imette St. Guillen of Boston, the Herald has learned.
http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=129652
thanx Marisa714, at least now imette,s family will get some justice,and the rest of the city will get some sleep.

[i.b.nora]

From the Boston Herald article:

Detectives who executed a search warrant on the 41-year-old parolee’s Queens home on Monday removed a section of his red carpet. Fibers from it are “identical” to those found when St. Guillen’s brutalized body was located in a grimy section of Brooklyn on Feb. 25, several sources said.
“It’s a match. The same carpet threads were found in the packing tape and on the comforter,” a law enforcement official told the Herald. “We are continuing to collect evidence in the case and will probably charge him this week or early next. He’s not going anywhere.”

[strach304]

DL playing the race card has nothing to do with the fact that the manager/bartender and other employees, 11 days after the event, can't get their stories straight. And the more elaborate the stories get, the more it seems to paint Imette in a less than flattering light...what is the motivation for trashing her?

I already told you what they were covering up, the drugs. Now I personally would like to see LE go after them too but he's the one who killed her and that's what brought police into the bar. Race, religion and gender has nothing to do with crime but I know plenty more just like him I'm sure we all do that try and use that as an advantage when it has no merit. A free ticket to ride because he's black. He has an entitlement issue that he will flaunt and expects to be exempt from investigation is why he does it. It has been effective many times or he wouldn't even try it.

[strach304]

Strach,

Do you think this will pan out w/the DNA matches? Just want your opinion on it cause you usually seem to be a few steps ahead ;-)

Oh yes it will, he's such a stupid a$$. He planted the phoney dna on Imette just like I said that's what he plotted and planned, knew he'd sit in jail till those results came back and then they would have to let him go because after all someone else's dna prove he didn't commit the crime end of investigation.

I don't think it's another woman's dna that was found in his bed, it's Imette's and that's just as good.

[marly56]

Oh yes it will, he's such a stupid a$$. He planted the phoney dna on Imette just like I said that's what he plotted and planned, knew he'd sit in jail till those results came back and then they would have to let him go because after all someone else's dna prove he didn't commit the crime end of investigation.

I don't think it's another woman's dna that was found in his bed, it's Imette's and that's just as good.
he was picked out of a line-up from another rape victim so lets hope they hold him at least for that one.

[Mygirlsadie]

They found someone elses DNA on Imette? Also does anyone think since now they are saying that things from his house are matching things found on her is it possible she went willingly to his house for a 'night cap'...and he for some reason ended up murdering her?



Oh yes it will, he's such a stupid a$$. He planted the phoney dna on Imette just like I said that's what he plotted and planned, knew he'd sit in jail till those results came back and then they would have to let him go because after all someone else's dna prove he didn't commit the crime end of investigation.

I don't think it's another woman's dna that was found in his bed, it's Imette's and that's just as good.

[marly56]

They found someone elses DNA on Imette? Also does anyone think since now they are saying that things from his house are matching things found on her is it possible she went willingly to his house for a 'night cap'...and he for some reason ended up murdering her?
at this point they will say whatever comes to mind.. i wonder where his aunt was when imette was brought into the house.

[marly56]

at this point they will say whatever comes to mind.. i wonder where his aunt was when imette was brought into the house.
what really irks me is those clowns down at THE fALLS ,took their sweet time to tell the truth,..were they stalling to get their stories straight? to cover their butts? i wonder if they will be charged with some kind of obstruction of justice. .plus i cannot see anyone wanting to ever patronize their crummy bar after they have revealed how they have no regard for their customers. ....imette i am so sorry you had to leave this sweet earth the way you did i grieve for you... and may you be at peace.

[strach304]

he was picked out of a line-up from another rape victim so lets hope they hold him at least for that one.

I posted two new reports on the media thread, one of those has the info where it says they are charging him in all three rapes. The dna that they got from a blanket in his house aren't going to be finished for another day or two. If it does turn out to be Imette's I believe that is when they will charge him with her murder, they already have the carpet fibers and then of course the plastic ties from his house, tube socks and jeez just a whole bunch of stuff.
Convictions on the other rape cases can also be used in the murder trial to show he has a propensity for sex crimes and rape was the primary motive for the murder so those cases can help with evidence in Imette's case.

Mygirlsadie, from my contact with the detectives and the reports from the media I was able to discern 1. They lost their crime scene 2. the results of the dna weren't his
Once they got a warrant on his house they found a load of evidence tying him to the crime, the detective got his pic out in the media and then women started calling so now they also have rape victim witnesses. He was whining to the media about LE harrassing him because he was black like that would get them off his back. I think the woman that called in and said she recognized his pic as her rapist got them the warrant for his house and you know LE has to be careful in a case like this or his lawyer can get vital evidence thrown out on a technicality.

No I don't believe for a second Imette went to his house willingly. The coroner said she had only been dead two hours when they found her but she was missing 17 so of course he had to have kept her somewhere all that time. Mystery solved, his apt.

[strach304]

Marly, I think the apt. is seperate. A pic shows it as a house but another reporter referred to it as an apt. so he probably has a seperate entrance. The statement from the police officer/detective about the bartender being a man without conscience imo was made because they all were more worried about themselves that they would stand by and let him get away with Imette's murder by lying to avoid getting in trouble themselves.

[marly56]

Marly, I think the apt. is seperate. A pic shows it as a house but another reporter referred to it as an apt. so he probably has a seperate entrance. The statement from the police officer/detective about the bartender being a man without conscience imo was made because they all were more worried about themselves that they would stand by and let him get away with Imette's murder by lying to avoid getting in trouble themselves.
strach, are you on another thread related to this case? if so would you send me a link? im pulling an all nighter..

[txsvicki]

They found someone elses DNA on Imette? Also does anyone think since now they are saying that things from his house are matching things found on her is it possible she went willingly to his house for a 'night cap'...and he for some reason ended up murdering her?


Oh heck no. He's a rapist and murderer. He doesn't want dates or to have girls over for anything normal. I would make a comment about red carpet but it's not appropriate since it was his elderly Aunt's home. Can anyone tell me?? Was it reported in a news account that dna was found on Imette?

[CrimeSceneBlog]

Forensic Evidence Match found in Littlejohn home. (http://www.crimesceneblog.com/?p=197)

Threads from the packing tape and blanket used to wrap Imette St. Guillen were matched to carpet fibers from Littlejohn’s home. The fibers were characterized as an “identical” match to the same red fibers removed from his home.

“It’s a match. The same carpet threads were found in the packing tape and on the comforter,” a law enforcement official told the Herald. “We are continuing to collect evidence in the case and will probably charge him this week or early next. He’s not going anywhere.”

Police also recovered a blanket from his home. Testing found DNA evidence that was not Littlejohn’s on the blanket and it is being tested to determine if it is St. Guillen’s.

Littlejohn is also being investigated in connection with several other rapes in the area.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yes true. I just wonder why he murdered Imette AND tortured her? He did not murder or toture the other girls. I know rape is a torture in itself I'm not downplaying the significance of being raped. I just mean like the torturous things he did to Imette. the slicing of the breasts and other areas. I don't get it. I guess because he knew if he let her go after being raped she would turn him in no questions asked. So he had to kill her? But it still doesnt make sense as to the severity of her murder.



Oh heck no. He's a rapist and murderer. He doesn't want dates or to have girls over for anything normal. I would make a comment about red carpet but it's not appropriate since it was his elderly Aunt's home. Can anyone tell me?? Was it reported in a news account that dna was found on Imette?

[marly56]

Yes true. I just wonder why he murdered Imette AND tortured her? He did not murder or toture the other girls. I know rape is a torture in itself I'm not downplaying the significance of being raped. I just mean like the torturous things he did to Imette. the slicing of the breasts and other areas. I don't get it. I guess because he knew if he let her go after being raped she would turn him in no questions asked. So he had to kill her? But it still doesnt make sense as to the severity of her murder. i agree with you .i from the beginning wondered why he went over such an extreme boundary. usually you hear of such an extreme act of violence when there are 2 or more perps involved or...if someone is on crack or pcp. there are many violent rapist who are violent in the force of the rape itself..but still they do not gag or cut or kill. let alone torture over many hours..there is some missing information here. i did read a statement by a teenage girl from his neighborhood. she said that that she was standing next to him in a candy store or one of those bodegas..anyway she said he was talking to some guy ,then he looked at her and he said''im bipolar,i did something yesterday but i was not myself, so im gonna forget about it''. i believe i read it in the daily news but i read so much yesterday my eyes are hurting..i would not be surprised if DL has schizophrenia, this would explain the mania of the murder. and then his ability to straighten up his act and resume his calm charming self as if nothing happened.

[jttnewguy]

Yes true. I just wonder why he murdered Imette AND tortured her? He did not murder or toture the other girls. I know rape is a torture in itself I'm not downplaying the significance of being raped. I just mean like the torturous things he did to Imette. the slicing of the breasts and other areas. I don't get it. I guess because he knew if he let her go after being raped she would turn him in no questions asked. So he had to kill her? But it still doesnt make sense as to the severity of her murder.There is an explanation that makes perfect sense why he would simply rape some women and let them go, but kill others in an excessively violent and demeaning way.

Psychologists and criminal behavioralists have identified several classes of rapists, all of whom have slightly different psychological urges that drive them to commit rape. Based on their psychological needs, they commit rape in very different ways because they are doing it for very different reasons. Some of these types are "exploitative," "power-reassurance," "power-assertive," "anger-excitation," "anger-retaliatory" and others I can't recall. Some types tie up their victims and other don't, some kidnap their victims and rape them repeatedly while others just throw them into the nearest secluded spot and rape them and then run, some force their victims to recite scripted lines while others may gag the victim, some torture them and others don't, etc. There are entire books about these categories and how to solve different kinds of rapes based on the personality type of the rapist.

Anyway, If Littlejohn were what psychologists call a "power-control" rapist, then he fundamentally feels very inadequate and not in control of his world, so part of the reason he rapes women is to assert control over them & dominate & humiliate them to fulfill a fantasy of power that he can't get from consensual interactions; he gets off by forcing women to meekly comply with his deviant demands.

If in fact that's what Littlejohn is, then when a woman "submits," he gets the satisfaction he seeks, that feeling of control & domination. There's no need to go further than rape because his needs are fulfilled, which may be what happened with the other 3 women.

But, on the other hand, if a woman fights back (like Immette must have based on her broken fingernails), then he loses control over the situation and feels even more threatened and inadequate than he did before the rape, and may react savagely, often with excessive rage & overkill & mutilation of the body, in order to restore that feeling of control and domination.

FBI profiler Jon Douglas discusses these different types of rapists at length in one of his books (sorry, I can't recall which one), and provide numerous examples of other rapists who were satisfied with just raping certain women when they complied, but when women fought back, reacted with excessive overkill and murdered them violently and then mutilated the body after death.

[marly56]

There is an explanation that makes perfect sense why he would simply rape some women and let them go, but kill others in an excessively violent and demeaning way.

Psychologists and criminal behavioralists have identified several classes of rapists, all of whom have slightly different psychological urges that drive them to commit rape. Based on their psychological needs, they commit rape in very different ways because they are doing it for very different reasons.

If Littlejohn were what psychologists call a "power-control" rapist, then he fundamentally feels very inadequate and not in control of his world, so part of the reason he rapes women is to assert control over them & dominate & humiliate them to fulfill a fantasy of power that he can't get from consensual interactions; he gets off by forcing women to meekly comply with his deviant demands.

If in fact that's what Littlejohn is, then when a woman "submits," he gets the satisfaction he seeks, that feeling of control & domination. There's no need to go further than rape because his needs are fulfilled, which may be what happened with the other 3 women.

But, on the other hand, if a woman fights back (like Immette must have based on her broken fingernails), then he loses control over the situation and feels even more threatened and inadequate than he did before the rape, and may react savagely, often with excessive rage & overkill & mutilation of the body, in order to restore that feeling of control and domination.

FBI profiler Jon Douglas discusses these different types of rapists at length in one of his books (sorry, I can't recall which one), and provide numerous examples of other rapists who were satisfied with just raping certain women when they complied, but when women fought back, reacted with excessive overkill and murdered them violently and then mutilated the body after death.
jttnewguy, thanx for your post it makes alot of sense.

[strach304]

strach, are you on another thread related to this case? if so would you send me a link? im pulling an all nighter..

Sorry just saw this here's both links:
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_067221521.html
http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_067185439.html

[Bobbisangel]

Oh yes it will, he's such a stupid a$$. He planted the phoney dna on Imette just like I said that's what he plotted and planned, knew he'd sit in jail till those results came back and then they would have to let him go because after all someone else's dna prove he didn't commit the crime end of investigation.

I don't think it's another woman's dna that was found in his bed, it's Imette's and that's just as good.




I thought the DNA that wasn't his was found on the blanket that he wrapped her in? Was some found on his bed too?

I thought he was living with his aunt? Was that not true and the house was actually his and he lived alone there? Some of the reports have been pretty confusing. I'm sure glad that they are finding proof that he is the guilty party. It's pretty scary to think a monster like that could still be out there just waiting to commit another crime. Good grief, it looks like he has been a busy monster and it is just all catching up to him....thank God.

[Bobbisangel]

There is an explanation that makes perfect sense why he would simply rape some women and let them go, but kill others in an excessively violent and demeaning way.

Psychologists and criminal behavioralists have identified several classes of rapists, all of whom have slightly different psychological urges that drive them to commit rape. Based on their psychological needs, they commit rape in very different ways because they are doing it for very different reasons.

If Littlejohn were what psychologists call a "power-control" rapist, then he fundamentally feels very inadequate and not in control of his world, so part of the reason he rapes women is to assert control over them & dominate & humiliate them to fulfill a fantasy of power that he can't get from consensual interactions; he gets off by forcing women to meekly comply with his deviant demands.

If in fact that's what Littlejohn is, then when a woman "submits," he gets the satisfaction he seeks, that feeling of control & domination. There's no need to go further than rape because his needs are fulfilled, which may be what happened with the other 3 women.

But, on the other hand, if a woman fights back (like Immette must have based on her broken fingernails), then he loses control over the situation and feels even more threatened and inadequate than he did before the rape, and may react savagely, often with excessive rage & overkill & mutilation of the body, in order to restore that feeling of control and domination.

FBI profiler Jon Douglas discusses these different types of rapists at length in one of his books (sorry, I can't recall which one), and provide numerous examples of other rapists who were satisfied with just raping certain women when they complied, but when women fought back, reacted with excessive overkill and murdered them violently and then mutilated the body after death.



Thank you for that....it really does make a lot of sense.

[strach304]

Marly I did a post in another thread about the alter egos and the reason he gave me for creating them and sure enough your post a few places up suggests schizophrenia and that's the intention.
The other women that have come forward on the rape weren't tortured because he didn't kill them. Or another way to look at it is he tortures then kills. The ones he grabbed off the street he doesn't have time plus they would make too much noise. Imette was taken to his apt. and tortured and killed. In other words for the torture to occur he has to have a place to do it.
jttnewguy you do have it pretty close I'll just make one adjustment by saying that the submission is what he's after but hust the act of rape alone isn't enough, it's beating, humiliation the works that is his ultimate pleasure. The exception with the recent three see explanation above.

Amother interesting tidbit imo since we're on the subject of his psyche he told me he doesn't date nor has ever had sex with a black woman.

[strach304]

Bobbi, it's a house his aunt owns and lives at but I think they are renovated into apts. I put that info up a few posts I guess you didn't see it.
As for dna I read skin under her nails and body fluid on the quilt she was wrapped in.
Yes there is new dna that was found on a blanket during the search at his apt. said not to be his, results of that are not in but are being tested to see if it's Imettes.

[scandi]

Wow, you guys are fascinating to read!

I think he killed Imette because after all those years in the can he grew to absolutely detest female officers, or maybe officers in general. So here is this cutie of a gal who turns him on but what is more important to him is the anger he finds welling up inside of him that she is a FBI agent! He told himself this one's mine and I'm gonna teach her about enFORCEment. Remember that he always used the word fugitive on his clothing. That one word said exactly what was in his heart - totally against and hating the law.

About The Falls bar, I heard a comment today with a really good commentator about it. He said, if you want to go the this bar you better go fast. It's going to be history pretty soon. The owner is in a precarious position because he took so long to go to police, the overserving of Imette, hiring a felon on parole, and there might be a lot more things too. His family is money money, but I think he's going to be sued up the jingjang for the sloppy entrepaneur that he is.

Strach, I've retraced all your posts going back LOL, but never found out what the circumstance were when you knew this guy in your past. I bet others missed it, so please can you give us the overview? Thanks a bunch.

Scandi

[marly56]

Wow, you guys are fascinating to read!

I think he killed Imette because after all those years in the can he grew to absolutely detest female officers, or maybe officers in general. So here is this cutie of a gal who turns him on but what is more important to him is the anger he finds welling up inside of him that she is a FBI agent! He told himself this one's mine and I'm gonna teach her about enFORCEment. Remember that he always used the word fugitive on his clothing. That one word said exactly what was in his heart - totally against and hating the law.

About The Falls bar, I heard a comment today with a really good commentator about it. He said, if you want to go the this bar you better go fast. It's going to be history pretty soon. The owner is in a precarious position because he took so long to go to police, the overserving of Imette, hiring a felon on parole, and there might be a lot more things too. His family is money money, but I think he's going to be sued up the jingjang for the sloppy entrepaneur that he is.

Strach, I've retraced all your posts going back LOL, but never found out what the circumstance were when you knew this guy in your past. I bet others missed it, so please can you give us the overview? Thanks a bunch.

Scandi
yeh im a tad bit curious myself.

[Mel1024]

She was going to school for the study of helping to solve crimes and thru her death she helped solved 3 rapes sp far.
just a thought

[Mygirlsadie]

That is just so ironic. But yet so true!



She was going to school for the study of helping to solve crimes and thru her death she helped solved 3 rapes sp far.
just a thought

[michelle]

She was going to school for the study of helping to solve crimes and thru her death she helped solved 3 rapes sp far.
just a thought awww, that is true.

[strach304]

Scandi, I just put a couple of new links on the media thread you might want to look at, the blog gives his gangland background from where he started with the Jamaican Queens, goes on to give the history of his hit-man career and a bunch of other stuff that I didn't know anything about but he was a NYC LE hit-man so I find it very fitting it was them that finally got him.

As for how I knew him I'm sorry but I can't tell you guys that. Also the latest media update I posted states his residence as a basement apt. in his Aunt's house so that clears that up. Another thing that clicked after reading about his background on that gorilla gang blog is where he dumped Imette we already knew it was dumping ground for the mob and now come to find out he was mob just not the italian mafia.

[MrsMush99]

I'm hearing on Fox News that the initial DNA tests DO NOT link him to Imette's killing. LE has not confirmed this.

[dragonfly]

I'm hearing on Fox News that the initial DNA tests DO NOT link him to Imette's killing. LE has not confirmed this.
Thanks for that update MrsMush99, I am thinking he is too smart to let there be DNA found....what with the alcohol swabs and all. He is clever but I think his luck has run out. Thank God for those carpet fibers!! No way that I know of to explain away those fibers!

[MrsMush99]

I'm ONLY concerned about the DNA because she had DNA under her fingernails, and if it's not his, then who's is it?? Which leads me to believe that someone else was involved. Again, Fox said it was an unconfirmed report about the DNA, it may still link him.

[concernedperson]

I'm hearing on Fox News that the initial DNA tests DO NOT link him to Imette's killing. LE has not confirmed this.

I wonder if the DNA isn't a co-workers?

[Mygirlsadie]

I keep thinking in my mind...'one step forward, two steps back'..

[MrsMush99]

He's going to appear in court in 30 minutes on the rape charges.

[MrsMush99]

OK on Fox now, the carpet fibers were found on the tape that was wrapped around Imettes head. The seman stains found on the blanket DO NOT link him. They are running more conclusive tests.

[scotch117]

Lord knows how old that blanket was or where and when it had been used - it could have any number of persons DNA on it. I want to hear about the DNA from under the fingernails too.

[Mygirlsadie]

I hope this guy hasnt 'outsmarted' LE... I really feel he is guilty not that my feelings matter one way or another but I just really think he did this and if he didnt he was somehow someway involved in who did.



OK on Fox now, the carpet fibers were found on the tape that was wrapped around Imettes head. The seman stains found on the blanket DO NOT link him. They are running more conclusive tests.

[nanandjim]

at this point they will say whatever comes to mind.. i wonder where his aunt was when imette was brought into the house.

I wonder if the aunt recognizes the bedspread. Was Imette actually brought to the home? Could he have had the bedspread in the van or gone to the home to get the bedspread with Imette tied up in the van?

[marly56]

I wonder if the aunt recognizes the bedspread. Was Imette actually brought to the home? Could he have had the bedspread in the van or gone to the home to get the bedspread with Imette tied up in the van?
i think the redcarpet fibers are from his basement.

[docwho3]

I wonder if the aunt recognizes the bedspread. Was Imette actually brought to the home? Could he have had the bedspread in the van or gone to the home to get the bedspread with Imette tied up in the van?Well, I hate to think the aunt (was it aunt or grandma?) was sitting upstairs in a rocker crochetting or something while he was downstairs torturing the victem for so many long hours and him hollering up for a sandwich once in awhile. I suppose it doesn't matter how I would expect it to have been though and it is certainly possible that he took her to his home and worked on her there.

[less0305]

The bedspread could have come from a "communal" spot where several individuals might take a lady friend for some action. It could have been in the van that was used by others or it could have come from the basement of the bar where employees might have taken somebody for a romp. It could have come from a garbage can somewhere and DL plucked it from the street somewhere and wrapped her in it. That really doesn't break his involvement to me...didn't we read somewhere that a used condom was taken as evidence. If he used a condom, there wouldn't be semen stains from him more than likely anyway. I think he is smart enough not to leave semen stains, but who knows.

[Masterj]

The bedspread could have come from a "communal" spot where several individuals might take a lady friend for some action. It could have been in the van that was used by others or it could have come from the basement of the bar where employees might have taken somebody for a romp. It could have come from a garbage can somewhere and DL plucked it from the street somewhere and wrapped her in it. That really doesn't break his involvement to me...didn't we read somewhere that a used condom was taken as evidence. If he used a condom, there wouldn't be semen stains from him more than likely anyway. I think he is smart enough not to leave semen stains, but who knows.
According to an article in today's NY Post, a tip was called in that the bedspread she was wrapped in may have been spotted at a dialysis center where DL's aunt received treatments.

I also wanted to add that it is frustrating to read the NY Post and NY Daily News because they often report things inaccurately in their quest to be sensationalistic.

[dark_shadows]

Well, I hate to think the aunt (was it aunt or grandma?) was sitting upstairs in a rocker crochetting or something while he was downstairs torturing the victem for so many long hours and him hollering up for a sandwich once in awhile. I suppose it doesn't matter how I would expect it to have been though and it is certainly possible that he took her to his home and worked on her there.
Hello Docwho,
I just thought of Jeffery Dahmer living in his grandmothers house and killing people there.(Littlejohn lived with his aunt.)I am not saying that Littlejohn brought Imette to his house,but your post made me think of it.

[jannuncutt]

From Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-nyslay09465539...


ETA: I don't know why this link doesn't work. It is in today's newsday - nyc section.

http://www.newsday.com

[AdoraBlue]

According to an article in today's NY Post, a tip was called in that the bedspread she was wrapped in may have been spotted at a dialysis center where DL's aunt received treatments.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=1507794

What's Hiding in Your Hotel Room?
What the Black Light Revealed


Snip> Inside a $300-a-night room at one of New York's finest hotels, there was dried semen on the bedspread and urine stains on the bedroom walls. (my emphasis) <Snip

[marly56]

The bedspread could have come from a "communal" spot where several individuals might take a lady friend for some action. It could have been in the van that was used by others or it could have come from the basement of the bar where employees might have taken somebody for a romp. It could have come from a garbage can somewhere and DL plucked it from the street somewhere and wrapped her in it. That really doesn't break his involvement to me...didn't we read somewhere that a used condom was taken as evidence. If he used a condom, there wouldn't be semen stains from him more than likely anyway. I think he is smart enough not to leave semen stains, but who knows.
if they test inside the condom they may get a match.your are right about the blanket being from anywhere..that dna could be drool from a puppy.

[tiredblondy]

OK on Fox now, the carpet fibers were found on the tape that was wrapped around Imettes head. The seman stains found on the blanket DO NOT link him. They are running more conclusive tests.
Strach...didn't you predict this????

[marly56]

From Newsday:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-nyslay09465539...


ETA: I don't know why this link doesn't work. It is in today's newsday - nyc section.

http://www.newsday.com
this sounds like a smear to me...this sounds like the dorian crew are still looking for a reason to blame imette for her murder. this news clip says ''witnesses heard her say this'' who are the witnesses? DORIAN the liar cohort? or..DL the maniac murderer? it had to be only them because yesterday i read that there were only 3 people in tha bar near last call, dorian,dl and imette . and i dont care HOW drunk or high a person is, this statement does not fit the circumstances in THIS scenario.

[jannuncutt]

this sounds like a smear to me...this sounds like the dorian crew are still looking for a reason to blame imette for her murder. this news clip says ''witnesses heard her say this'' who are the witnesses? DORIAN the liar cohort? or..DL the maniac murderer? it had to be only them because yesterday i read that there were only 3 people in tha bar near last call, dorian,dl and imette . and i dont care HOW drunk or high a person is, this statement does not fit the circumstances in THIS scenario.
I agree with you. There seems to be a lot of lying and covering up going on!

[tiredblondy]

Did you guys read the latest about the new witness???http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...8p-337388c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/398198p-337388c.html)...I'm wondering about when the bouncer said "then we went back inside" Maybe she wouldn't leave and they did walk back inside. Maybe the paper was the receipt and they overcharged her or she wanted the money back for the drink she couldn't finish( which led to her going back inside after being asked to leave the first time) and Danny Dorian said I told you to throw her #$%$#% out of here. Mr bouncer guaranteed him he would and was probably pi** off at Danny so he went to get his van then helped her out, thinking I'll really take care of this. Those liars at the bar..especially Danny...they have helped kill her. I think the screeching tires helped the lady remember what she saw..you know how you can kinda be aware of something going on but don't really pay attention until something grabs your attention!! Although now that I think about it -wasn't it reported that the cameras in the area did not pick up anything?? I know the lady in the park is an addict but maybe??? Also "Danny Dorian "should be arrested for something because he helped send her to her death and has told so many lies. I still think there's more to his involvement than we'll ever know.. :furious: :furious: :furious:

[tiredblondy]

Maybe it was Dorian who used the racial slur when he told the bouncer to get her out of there..especially if Imette went back in to demand her money back or to finish her drink.?? Dorian could've said something like"" Hey you#$%# I told you to throw the #$%# #$%# out of here"and the bouncer took his anger out on her.That's no excuse for what he did but just maybe Dorian was the trigger event. They say there's always a little truth in the lies it's just figuring out which...I hope to God Dorian never sleeps again..I wonder what else he has to hide.. the others remaining behind in the bar that night too.

[docwho3]

I know it isnt really a likely thing but:
I wonder if they took fresh DNA samples from the POI/suspect and compared them to the results in the database to be sure that a sample had not somehow been "mislabeled" or results switched. With the guys alleged ties to org crime it certainly seems possible.

At least things are heating up.

[tiredblondy]

I promise this is my last post for a little while because I have to leave for a while ..but in one of the articles "Dorian" said after he told the bouncer to throw her out he went to the basement(Dorian) and when he came back they were gone...basement !! again and very convenient ...don't you think.?.So if that is true ..for a few minutes "Dorian's" where abouts are unaccounted for..at the same first moments as the bouncer and Ivette disappeared !!?? very convenient..eh?? there may be no connection..but again very convenient!! I am furious they lied and then lawyered up..How they have hindered poor Ivette's investigation... gotta go ..you guys are great! How could I have sat back so long and not posted.? Thank you all for letting me rant on....

[MrsMush99]

whoa, did anyone see the sketch of him on Fox while he was in court?? He looks just like that bouncer in the pic that was put up a while ago. Anyone remember that or where it was?

[MIpony]

MRS Mush- picture at post #599 on the first thread page 25 I think

[MIpony]

picture at "the Falls"
http://www.thefallsnyc.com/gallery/katrina/images/_DSC0433.jpg

[MrsMush99]

MRS Mush- picture at post #599 on the first thread page 25 I think


Thanks! Ok, I could swear this is the same guy. Looked like him from the sketch.

http://www.thefallsnyc.com/gallery/katrina/images/_DSC0433.jpg

[MIpony]

I thought the same thing when I saw the sketch.
Although when the mug shot was first shown I didn't think the guy in the mug shot looked much like the guy in "the Falls" picture....I have changed my mind since :p LOL

[concernedperson]

Here is a sketch of the rapist and the old mug shot of DL.

http://www.wcbstv.com/

[jttnewguy]

Hey Peggy Maxwell, I sent you a PM a couple of days ago but it looks like you haven't seen it yet....check your in-box!

(To the Moderators, I will delete this in a few hours...)

-- jttnewguy

[marly56]

I promise this is my last post for a little while because I have to leave for a while ..but in one of the articles "Dorian" said after he told the bouncer to throw her out he went to the basement(Dorian) and when he came back they were gone...basement !! again and very convenient ...don't you think.?.So if that is true ..for a few minutes "Dorian's" where abouts are unaccounted for..at the same first moments as the bouncer and Ivette disappeared !!?? very convenient..eh?? there may be no connection..but again very convenient!! I am furious they lied and then lawyered up..How they have hindered poor Ivette's investigation... gotta go ..you guys are great! How could I have sat back so long and not posted.? Thank you all for letting me rant on....
good post tiredblondy! hope to hear from you soon.

[marly56]

whoa, did anyone see the sketch of him on Fox while he was in court?? He looks just like that bouncer in the pic that was put up a while ago. Anyone remember that or where it was?
yes it was posted somewhere in the original thread...like in the middle. sorry i cant remember though.

[marly56]

Thanks! Ok, I could swear this is the same guy. Looked like him from the sketch.

http://www.thefallsnyc.com/gallery/katrina/images/_DSC0433.jpg
the way DL IS DESCRIBED AS OF RECENT he is said to be ''fit''. unless this is another ''spin''

[jttnewguy]

the way DL IS DESCRIBED AS OF RECENT he is said to be ''fit''. unless this is another ''spin''
Maybe it was a typo and was supposed to be "fat" LOL

[scandi]

I heard early this am around 3am, that the skin under her fingernails was her own skin. The announcer said if you make a fist real hard your nails dig into your palm, and that is what she did.

Scandi

[MIpony]

yes it was posted somewhere in the original thread...like in the middle. sorry i cant remember though.
There was another sketch that was shown in the noon hour today on Fox that was done during his latest appearence in a court room, wearing a grey suit. Does anyone know how to get that?:waitasec:

[hollyjokers]

Oh God! That makes it pretty clear that she experienced everything. He didn't do it, as some suggested, port mortem to make it look like a different type of crime. We all had hoped she had clawed the **** out him, but she never had a chance. She broke her nails clawing into herself, bracing for the pain that was inflicted on her. This makes me sick.

[jttnewguy]

what really irks me is those clowns down at THE fALLS ,took their sweet time to tell the truth,..were they stalling to get their stories straight? to cover their butts? i wonder if they will be charged with some kind of obstruction of justice. .plus i cannot see anyone wanting to ever patronize their crummy bar after they have revealed how they have no regard for their customers.This from the NY Times today...http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/nyregion/09dead.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

It was still not clear yesterday whether the Falls or its principal, listed in state records as Michael J. Dorrian, would face a penalty for allowing Mr. Littlejohn, a felon on parole, to work as a bouncer there.
Kimberly Morella, a spokeswoman for the State Liquor Authority, said that the agency was "looking into the matter."

Mr. Dorrian's bar has a liquor license that expires in July, according to state records. It was charged in February with selling alcohol to a minor, and has until March 29 to answer that charge, Ms. Morella said.

[Sassygerl]

Oh God! That makes it pretty clear that she experienced everything. He didn't do it, as some suggested, port mortem to make it look like a different type of crime. We all had hoped she had clawed the **** out him, but she never had a chance. She broke her nails clawing into herself, bracing for the pain that was inflicted on her. This makes me sick.

I had the same thoughts....:( :(

[marly56]

Oh God! That makes it pretty clear that she experienced everything. He didn't do it, as some suggested, port mortem to make it look like a different type of crime. We all had hoped she had clawed the **** out him, but she never had a chance. She broke her nails clawing into herself, bracing for the pain that was inflicted on her. This makes me sick.
OMG!!!!! i hope her family never hears this..

[marly56]

Maybe it was a typo and was supposed to be "fat" LOL
yeh LOL!!

[calidreamin]

The more I hear about those scumbags at the Falls the madder I get!!! They have done nothing all along but bad mouth Imette and lie and stall to the police. I also find it curious that they have lawyered up. If they did nothing wrong why the lawyers? I go to Manhatten alot to visit my sister and I will never step foot in that place. I hope they go out of buisness!!!

[marly56]

This from the NY Times today...http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/nyregion/09dead.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

It was still not clear yesterday whether the Falls or its principal, listed in state records as Michael J. Dorrian, would face a penalty for allowing Mr. Littlejohn, a felon on parole, to work as a bouncer there.
Kimberly Morella, a spokeswoman for the State Liquor Authority, said that the agency was "looking into the matter."

Mr. Dorrian's bar has a liquor license that expires in July, according to state records. It was charged in February with selling alcohol to a minor, and has until March 29 to answer that charge, Ms. Morella said.
if i were the dorian crew i would ''get outta dodge'' im sure they will be getting death threats from this mess. and when it comes time for them to show up in court to give testimony in the case...thay will have NO CREDIBILTY..

[Mygirlsadie]

:( oh that poor girl. I feel so so sad now. Sometimes I think its just better not to know all the details.



Oh God! That makes it pretty clear that she experienced everything. He didn't do it, as some suggested, port mortem to make it look like a different type of crime. We all had hoped she had clawed the **** out him, but she never had a chance. She broke her nails clawing into herself, bracing for the pain that was inflicted on her. This makes me sick.

[dontpanic38]

Oh God! That makes it pretty clear that she experienced everything. He didn't do it, as some suggested, port mortem to make it look like a different type of crime. We all had hoped she had clawed the **** out him, but she never had a chance. She broke her nails clawing into herself, bracing for the pain that was inflicted on her. This makes me sick.

She still may have got him though. Remember the scratch on his neck.:woohoo:

There just may not have been enough of his skin under her nails.

I think that people are giving him too much credit. To me he is a simple street thug, and there are a lot of people like him who come up thinking that what they want they take. They learn how to cover their tracks to an extent, but no way are they going to outsmart a whole city of investigators hell bent on finding the facts.

I am not blaming her for what happened to her, but I believe that she was just very easy prey for someone like him. I live in the suburbs of St. Louis, and I know that there is no good reason for me to be anywhere in East St. Louis. I figure that I would have better chances walking through a shooting range with a target painted on me.

I am not saying anything about Imette or her judgement even. It was DL that saw very easy prey and jumped on it.
I don't think that there was anything else to it. I don't think that there was anyone else involved, the bar owners are trying to cover their butts because of bad publicity. But I don't think that there is any way that there is any sort of conspiracy. I don't think that any of them would be able to keep quiet at this point.

Anyway my point is that I just don't think that this guy is as smart as he is being made out to be. I think that he is simply a common uneducated thug who preys on society because he thinks that society owes him something. There is a mindset that glorifies this sort of lifestyle because of fast money etc... and it makes me sick. I think this guy just picked an easy target, but had no clue whatsoever that it would get the attention that it did.

<\rant>;)

[strach304]

Don't Panic, you do not give him credit enough and that's the same mistake LE did make when this first started and he did make fools of them with the phoney dna and had them searching where he wanted and even had a few reporters in his pocket. He's not a common street thug, very few scare me and he does for a very good reason. I believe they have him now though, lets not forget the FEDS couldn't get him try as they might, he's a career criminal and very good at it.

Can we call him by his real name now? Derrick Hansen. Darryl Littlejohn is another alias. What scratch did he have on his neck? Consider the source. A logical question I will ask is simply this; Why would the Dorians risk their business, liquor license and reputation to hire him as a bouncer? All the lies and bull from them is to protect themselves from criminal prosecution. He is what I term a doorman for a coke bar and that is the reason for the cover up.

[crabapple98]

I am in my 20's, and live in NYC. To say that Imette's torture and death has horrified and upset me would be an understatement. It could have been any of us. The fact that I have 2 degrees of separation from Imette, and that some of my friends were actually at The Falls earlier that night hasn't helped either.

What happened to Imette was truly horrible. For the past 1.5 weeks my friends and I have been terrified of going anywhere alone. We don't take car services, take pics of the cab numbers/license plates we go in (when we must), etc.

But has really started to enrage me is the actions taken by people at the Falls. Withholding valuable information, providing conflicting stories, etc just to try to save their own hides. It is so unbeleivably selfish and cruel. This girl was murdered, and they still seem to be thinking of themselves. Sickening. Did they not learn anything from Jennifer Levin?

I hope the Dorrian clan goes out of the bar business. Pronto. They seem like shady roughnecks, as it is.

[Vet4Bush]

Have the cops searched her computer and papers for any information on any projects she may have been working on in her CJ courses that may be related to The Falls, the Dorians, Zarcarrio, or the Mob? There has to be some reason why she chose that bar to meet there and to stay till closing. Since she was working on a CJ degree, had she developed any plans on where to work after graduation, three months away. Had she done interviews with FBI, Police, etc? Was she already working for some agency?

[englishleigh]

I am in my 20's, and live in NYC. To say that Imette's torture and death has horrified and upset me would be an understatement. It could have been any of us. The fact that I have 2 degrees of separation from Imette, and that some of my friends were actually at The Falls earlier that night hasn't helped either.

What happened to Imette was truly horrible. For the past 1.5 weeks my friends and I have been terrified of going anywhere alone. We don't take car services, take pics of the cab numbers/license plates we go in (when we must), etc.

But has really started to enrage me is the actions taken by people at the Falls. Withholding valuable information, providing conflicting stories, etc just to try to save their own hides. It is so unbeleivably selfish and cruel. This girl was murdered, and they still seem to be thinking of themselves. Sickening. Did they not learn anything from Jennifer Levin?

I hope the Dorrian clan goes out of the bar business. Pronto. They seem like shady roughnecks, as it is.


:clap: :clap: :clap: I had an email last night from a friend of mine who lives in NYC...she is terrified, too, and praying this is the right guy, and if he didn't act alone, that they get everyone who did this to Imette.

[WhiteWolf]

Yes true. I just wonder why he murdered Imette AND tortured her? He did not murder or toture the other girls. I know rape is a torture in itself I'm not downplaying the significance of being raped. I just mean like the torturous things he did to Imette. the slicing of the breasts and other areas. I don't get it. I guess because he knew if he let her go after being raped she would turn him in no questions asked. So he had to kill her? But it still doesnt make sense as to the severity of her murder.


Hi, mygirlsadie. I think Imette was tortured because Littlejohn had more time to interact with her on a personal level. Littlejohn had time to talk to and observe Imette while she sat at the bar. There was probably something about her looks and personality that really pushed his buttons. The rapes (if he's guilty) were strangers literally grabbed off the street and dumped within a short period of time with no personal interaction between DL and his victim..

[marly56]

Hi, mygirlsadie. I think Imette was tortured because Littlejohn had more time to interact with her on a personal level. Littlejohn had time to talk to and observe Imette while she sat at the bar. There was probably something about her looks and personality that really pushed his buttons. The rapes (if he's guilty) were strangers literally grabbed off the street and dumped within a short period of time with no personal interaction between DL and his victim..
it looks like he really has some MAJOR ISSUES with the opposite sex. has he been identified in any lineups yet?

[Vet4Bush]

I have to consider if Imette was already working for a police agency, maybe the FBI, since she joked that she was an FBI agent. She was seeking a Masters degree in CJ. Where was she going to work after receiving her degree, three months away? Had she already applied for an FBI job? A police job? Isn't that where CJ degreed people go? Perhaps she was already working undercover on a Mob or Drug crime. This could have spooked the people at the Falls if she joked that she was FBI. If she spouted some cop jargon while drunk in the presence of the lowlifes running the bar, maybe that was enough to spook them. You gotta think that the people running that bar are dirty and even a John Jay student probably spooks them, because John Jay students are mostly cops and people who want to be cops.

[Boilly]

dontpanic - I agree. This is not smart guy - a clever one but not what I would call smart. He is a street thug - prancing around in this "uniforms" with his Rottweiler. He has watched tv and learned some things and has been pretty lucky in covering up some of his crimes. He has also associated himself with criminals more experienced them himself and has learned from them. I have no doubt this time his gig is up.

[scandi]

Hi De Hi HO!

I had read somewhere she went there from time to time. It may be a 'coke' bar, but it was quite a popular place to go. Their menu looks fab.

Also, I think when he learned this cute little thing was with the FBI it incensed him. He aligned himself with the 'Fugative' role in life, and not established LE, which after all those years behind bars he probably had learned to despise because of what they stood for.

Steve Huff's blog today is most interesting!


Scandi

[newtv]

it looks like he really has some MAJOR ISSUES with the opposite sex. has he been identified in any lineups yet?
If he did this he has more than major issues-what an animal. I feel so sad for what this young women was put thru-I guess there is a point in such torture where u really cant feel anymore- at least I hope so.
I just hope she went unconscious-apparently there was a sock stuffed down her throat..and if this is true then I would wonder a bit if it was like stuffing a "pig" = cop.
He may have thought of her as criminals worst enemy.
But the stuffing is typical of a message to the police (from what I know).
Again may not be anything but since others are wondering about the message.
I also feel for the dear 20 year old who wrote and all the other new york gals..please hang tuff, I think its this guy-or guys from that bar and not a serial killer on the loose.
In many ways I hope so cuz one of these crimes is too much never mind a string.

[calidreamin]

Hi Marly, I watched Abrahms today and the said he was in a lineup today and the woman couldnt pick him out of it. I dont know what women or what charge though.

[strach304]

IMO if Imette was working on a case she wouldn't have been drinking and she sure wouldn't have been so free to say she was an fbi agent, she had no idea what kind of danger she was in or who she was dealing with. To suggest otherwise makes her sound stupid or naive and we know she wasn't.

[newtv]

IMO if Imette was working on a case she wouldn't have been drinking and she sure wouldn't have been so free to say she was an fbi agent, she had no idea what kind of danger she was in or who she was dealing with. To suggest otherwise makes her sound stupid or naive and we know she wasn't.
I agree and we dont know anything about what is true since the bar owner has a vested interest in suggesting she was drunk etc.
however, if she were on an assignment she could be pretending to be drunk and still end up dead..I dont think we will ever know the truth.
I dont believe she would be on an assignment without backup-so I think she may simply of said she was studying or something because I believe it triggered him that she thought criminals should be brought to justice.
She may not have been drunk at all-and its all a ruse..(I mean drunk drunk drunk).

[strach304]

Help Scandi or somebody I cannot find Steve's blog! :eek:

[concernedperson]

Help Scandi or somebody I cannot find Steve's blog! :eek:

Good Lord, this is a must.

http://huffcrimeblog.com/

[dark_shadows]

I have to consider if Imette was already working for a police agency, maybe the FBI, since she joked that she was an FBI agent. She was seeking a Masters degree in CJ. Where was she going to work after receiving her degree, three months away? Had she already applied for an FBI job? A police job? Isn't that where CJ degreed people go? Perhaps she was already working undercover on a Mob or Drug crime. This could have spooked the people at the Falls if she joked that she was FBI. If she spouted some cop jargon while drunk in the presence of the lowlifes running the bar, maybe that was enough to spook them. You gotta think that the people running that bar are dirty and even a John Jay student probably spooks them, because John Jay students are mostly cops and people who want to be cops.

She would not be undercover with anyone.Law Enforcement has their own Officers for undercover work.No undercover person would even say that they are undercover.Dangerous and stupid.

[txsvicki]

Hi, mygirlsadie. I think Imette was tortured because Littlejohn had more time to interact with her on a personal level. Littlejohn had time to talk to and observe Imette while she sat at the bar. There was probably something about her looks and personality that really pushed his buttons. The rapes (if he's guilty) were strangers literally grabbed off the street and dumped within a short period of time with no personal interaction between DL and his victim..

Imette could do more than those women, she could identify his place of employment and one of his names. Littlejohn may have acted on impulse but he went from rapist to murderer. Does anyone know how long he had worked at that bar? Surely he had plenty of other opportunities to nab a woman. I think he had it planned and was waiting for an opportunity. He's not smart at all or else he wouldn't have done it in that way and been identified as the last to see Imette alive. Those bar owners are scum but they aren't going to go to jail for that creep.

[dark_shadows]

I am surprised that the bar has not been siezed.

[newtv]

whats this about him not being chosen in a lineup by a witness??

[hollyjokers]

On Nancy Grace tonight a reporter said she went in to the Falls at 7pm, which would be happy hour, and there was not 1 customer in the bar. :blowkiss: to New Yorkers

She asked the bartender about the wine list, and he said "no comment."

[concernedperson]

On Nancy Grace tonight a reporter said she went in to the Falls at 7pm, which would be happy hour, and there was not 1 customer in the bar. :blowkiss: to New Yorkers

She asked the bartender about the wine list, and he said "no comment."

Also, reported about the lunch hour. Who says Aruba is the only place that will be boycotted with suspicion of wrongdoing?

[scandi]

That's odd he would say 'no comment' unless he knew she is a reporter and isn't going to bow to them. Strange, unless the NY Liquor Control Commission has already put a halt to them serving booze. I read here earlier the gal in charge of this said what to do with the bar was under consideration. Maybe they are only serving food now.

I wrote last night this reporter standing outside the bar said iif you want to come see The Falls you better come now. In a few days it might be gone {out of biz}. That NYLCC can strike in a quick second. There would be an appeal possible, but I use our Oregon OLCC application and actions lists in my work and seldom do I see one win an appeal! Once in awhile with restrictions!

This witness that did the lineup look-see today was the girl from October.

Scandi

[cammy-g]

Imette could do more than those women, she could identify his place of employment and one of his names. Littlejohn may have acted on impulse but he went from rapist to murderer. Does anyone know how long he had worked at that bar? Surely he had plenty of other opportunities to nab a woman. I think he had it planned and was waiting for an opportunity. He's not smart at all or else he wouldn't have done it in that way and been identified as the last to see Imette alive. Those bar owners are scum but they aren't going to go to jail for that creep.
As a bartender myself over the years, young women at at risk in bars when they are drunk. I am not saying this is what happened in Imette's case, I feel she was "drinking responsibly." Overhearing male employees at several bars that I have worked in, when they see a female that is a little drunk they say here comes another victim. I have heard customers say this as well. Maybe Littlejon has done this before, grabbed a female who had a little too much to drink and was alone, this is probably his MO. There may be other female patrons of the falls bar that fell victim to Littlejon but that are too embarrassed to come forward.

[marly56]

I am surprised that the bar has not been siezed.
good that they are not so easily making their smooth profits from unsuspecting patrons..

[dark_shadows]

There may be other female patrons of the falls bar that fell victim to Littlejon but that are too embarrassed to come forward.Embarrassed,missing or dead.

[dark_shadows]

hollyjokers][/b]On Nancy Grace tonight a reporter said she went in to the Falls at 7pm, which would be happy hour, and there was not 1 customer in the bar. :blowkiss: to New Yorkers

She asked the bartender about the wine list, and he said "no comment."


That's odd he would say 'no comment' unless he knew she is a reporter and isn't going to bow to them.Maybe he thought she meant Whine list of all involved are whinning about bad publicity and other things.....again.:boohoo:

[scandi]

Hi Cammy-g,

Yep, losing that good judgement never helps.

I know. I had $500 in my purse one night when I went in to have an after work drinkie-poo. 3 hours later when I got home I couldn't find my money! Of course I created a big stink thinking I had dropped it at the bar where I was sitting and someone scarfed it up!

I found it 2 years later in a book where I had placed it before I went out that evening. LOL

Scandi

:D My post had nothing to do with me being a potential victim when I got so 'happy', but just to show how we change as people with too much to drink. I don't think she should have told him anything about the FBI.

By the way cammy, welcome to WS. It is a great home away from home and am sure you'll love being a Web Sleuther too!

[hollyjokers]

Scandi
You are too funny!!! :crazy:

[cammy-g]

Thanks Scandi

I just hope women can be more aware in general and keep their gauards up, glad you found your money, that has happened to me several times, misplacing money. I end up finding it and of course then it is just so much more fun to spend!

[Chanler]

Hi De Hi HO!

I had read somewhere she went there from time to time. It may be a 'coke' bar, but it was quite a popular place to go. Their menu looks fab.

Also, I think when he learned this cute little thing was with the FBI it incensed him. He aligned himself with the 'Fugative' role in life, and not established LE, which after all those years behind bars he probably had learned to despise because of what they stood for.

Steve Huff's blog today is most interesting!


Scandi
Bars in NYC don't all stay open until 4 a.m. I imagine that she went to The Falls because she knew that it would be open. In the 80s, young people on my staff would "close down" first one lower Manhattan bar, then another.

I think that she was drunk, not doing any FBI work, although she might have tragically flaunted her criminal justice graduate work when she was asked to leave.

[scandi]

I've been wondering if Littlejohn - which by the way is too good a name to call him - looks different now than he did last October. I noticed he has gained a chunck of weight, even in his jowls and the back of his head, which would mean all over. That might throw a gal off, don't you think?

Scandi

[fran]

Hi Cammy-g,

Yep, losing that good judgement never helps.

I know. I had $500 in my purse one night when I went in to have an after work drinkie-poo. 3 hours later when I got home I couldn't find my money! Of course I created a big stink thinking I had dropped it at the bar where I was sitting and someone scarfed it up!

I found it 2 years later in a book where I had placed it before I went out that evening. LOL

Scandi



sshhhh........don't tell anybody..... :doh: ........

fran

[txsvicki]

I just signed into yahoo messenger and checked profiles. There is a darryl littlejohn profile. It doesn't give any other information or a pic and the last update was 12-10-03 but I think that is an odd coincidence. Maybe he was online trying to talk to women.

[PonderingThings]

Criminal Profiler Pat brown offered her opinions and I found this to be an interesting "fact". I knew that many criminals took security jobs but I didn't realise it the #1 job for SERIAL KILLERS:

"The No. 1 job of serial killers is security. Yes, I would be looking at this guy very carefully for those reasons," Brown told The Early Show. "When you're going out to car at night, the last person you want to walk you to your car is a security guard."
Another reason the bar shouldn't have hired this guy!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/08/national/main1381503_page2.shtml

[txsvicki]

Hope it's okay to post this. It's a very good informative blog with pics of littlejohn and lots of links with all the info:

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/

[crypto6]

She would not be undercover with anyone.Law Enforcement has their own Officers for undercover work.No undercover person would even say that they are undercover.Dangerous and stupid.


Dark (and/or strach): Since you guys are more plugged in to the justice system, help me think this through: How can Littlejohn (LJ) be incarcerated under so many different aliases (aliae??)? Once his legal name is discovered, don't the identification paperwork and files revert to this name? It looks like he served several stretches under different names and this oversight was not corrected once the error was known. Is it possible that LJ changes his "legal" name frequently, and indeed he has had multiple legal names, at least one for each of his major brushes with the law?

Also, why was it reported that he refused to give his DNA, only to later allow its sampling? Since he is a felon, his DNA should be in the data bank anyway. Is this disinformation, media error, or something more sinister? Is this a routine safety check to ensure the DNA profile in the data bank is correct, or is there a realization that perhaps LE doesn't have his correct DNA, or worse, there are several different profiles, each under a different name?

I am building on the thoughts of an astute earlier poster who questioned the multiple names in legal documents; maybe she/he can jump in also.
Thoughts on this and its significance??

Thanks.

Cr6

[strach304]

Cryto6, you are asking the same things I myself have, I'm thinking they never had his dna on file because of the nature of his past crimes. If LE has probable cause they can get a warrant to get it if they refuse to give it, just being locked up is not enough so I think there are many cold cases they could tie to him now that they have his dna profile.
As for the names I wondered about that too. I saw the one drivers license he had and it looked authentic to me but I do know there are some very good replica's from scammers in that area that the police couldn't tell the difference just by looking at it so unless they had a reason to suspect it wasn't legit they never checked. Don't forget Maryland is the one that has had a warrant on him since 92 and has never even tried to serve it. Then they have the audacity to tell reporters that they could help NYCPD hold him an extra 90 days if they need to.

[crypto6]

Cryto6, you are asking the same things I myself have, I'm thinking they never had his dna on file because of the nature of his past crimes. If LE has probable cause they can get a warrant to get it if they refuse to give it, just being locked up is not enough so I think there are many cold cases they could tie to him now that they have his dna profile.
As for the names I wondered about that too. I saw the one drivers license he had and it looked authentic to me but I do know there are some very good replica's from scammers in that area that the police couldn't tell the difference just by looking at it so unless they had a reason to suspect it wasn't legit they never checked. Don't forget Maryland is the one that has had a warrant on him since 92 and has never even tried to serve it. Then they have the audacity to tell reporters that they could help NYCPD hold him an extra 90 days if they need to.

Thanks.
Let's say I get nabbed in NYC for armed robbery. My DL is a very good fake, and the SSN is a total phony or someone who has died. How far will LE go to backcheck this info to confirm identity?? Seems this guy has been writing his own ticket as far as changing his name and violating his parole. Is NYC so big that parole warrants would never get served so that once someone is out, even if under parole, they can do as they wish with no fear of being taken into custody for parole violation?

Thanks for the local info.

Cr6

[Buzzm1]

Police: Bouncer's Blood Tied to Grad Student

March 12, 2006 — A "very conclusive" DNA match obtained from a blood sample lifted from the back of ties used to bind Imette St. Guillen's hands has linked bouncer Darryl Littlejohn to her killing, police and prosecutors said. DNA evidence also links Littlejohn to at least one prior sex assault, ABC News has learned.

New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly announced the DNA match in the murder case at a Sunday afternoon press briefing at police headquarters in Manhattan. "This is a very significant finding," Kelly said. "The DNA finding is one in a trillion." (that's slightly more than the world population)

1,000,000,000,000 A Trillion
0,006,500,000,000 The World Population (roughly)

Littlejohn's attorney, Kevin O'Donnell told ABC News Radio in an exclusive interview that he had objections to the way information about the new evidence emerged. "The timing of the evidence coming out puts my client in a bad spot, in a worse light and contaminates the jury pool," he said. (only an attorney is allowed to make such a stupid statement).

The Brooklyn district attorney now will empanel a grand jury to seek Littlejohn's indictment. "Main concern is that my client is treated fairly," O'Donnell said. Prosecutors are confident there is a strong case for an indictment and a winnable prosecution if the grand jury indicts and the case goes to trial.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1716274&page=1

[Beyond Belief]

This is good news. I also agree this man should be treated just like he treated his victims. Its only fair.

[dark_shadows]

Dark (and/or strach): Since you guys are more plugged in to the justice system, help me think this through: How can Littlejohn (LJ) be incarcerated under so many different aliases (aliae??)? Once his legal name is discovered, don't the identification paperwork and files revert to this name? It looks like he served several stretches under different names and this oversight was not corrected once the error was known. Is it possible that LJ changes his "legal" name frequently, and indeed he has had multiple legal names, at least one for each of his major brushes with the law?

Also, why was it reported that he refused to give his DNA, only to later allow its sampling? Since he is a felon, his DNA should be in the data bank anyway. Is this disinformation, media error, or something more sinister? Is this a routine safety check to ensure the DNA profile in the data bank is correct, or is there a realization that perhaps LE doesn't have his correct DNA, or worse, there are several different profiles, each under a different name?Hello Crypto,
People that give false names can still be charged by the true name if they or their photo can be identified by someone knowing them only by the alias.If it is a gang member they go by the "street name".
If a felon dies not give a swab,the States Attorney will request a court order to obtain the sample.If it is refused even with the court order we can use force if a felon does not submit to the DNA swab.

[Buzzm1]

"The timing of the evidence coming out puts my client in a bad spot (That may be the understatement of the year).

,in a worse light(Now how could that be??)

and contaminates the jury pool," he said.(does he mean we aren't supposed to believe DNA, like the OJ jury did??)


(only a defense attorney is allowed to make such a stupid statement).

[T'sNana]

I agree with your side comments....they are also very funny. Thanks for sharing. "The timing of the evidence coming out puts my client in a bad spot (That may be the understatement of the year).

,in a worse light(Now how could that be??)

and contaminates the jury pool," he said.(does he mean we aren't supposed to believe DNA, like the OJ jury did??)


(only a defense attorney is allowed to make such a stupid statement).

[railbird]

In today's version of the story, Verson 3.8, Imette and DL are on the sidewalk, talking, as the other bouncer leaves by taxi.

Is that what happened, or did Dorrian pay bouncer #2 to say that, in order to place any action OUTSIDE the bar?

Who is Dorrian. I heard a reference to him on one of the tv shows following the case. For some reason the name sounded familiar. Was Dorrian tied to the Preppy Murder Case by any chance?

[railbird]

[/i]


Maybe he thought she meant Whine list of all involved are whinning about bad publicity and other things.....again.:boohoo:


Whine list - very cute. Was this the same reporter who got the phone call from Littlejohn? What was she thinking giving him her phone number even if it was a cell?

[crypto6]

Hello Crypto,
People that give false names can still be charged by the true name if they or their photo can be identified by someone knowing them only by the alias.If it is a gang member they go by the "street name".
If a felon dies not give a swab,the States Attorney will request a court order to obtain the sample.If it is refused even with the court order we can use force if a felon does not submit to the DNA swab.


Thanks. This guy may be slicker than we initially appreciated.

[strach304]

Ok so with all the new info out there it's a lot to keep up with so since I haven't seen anyone mention a certain aspect thus far I'll bring it up.

Why would Littlejohn be wearing a bullet proof vest as a bouncer in a relatively decent area? I do know gangs/drug dealers wear them and I did suspect the Falls was a coke bar and Darryl's position was a doorman and then the Dorian guy made that statement because he was trying to say Littlejohn only worked the outside door.

[less0305]

Ok so with all the new info out there it's a lot to keep up with so since I haven't seen anyone mention a certain aspect thus far I'll bring it up.

Why would Littlejohn be wearing a bullet proof vest as a bouncer in a relatively decent area? I do know gangs/drug dealers wear them and I did suspect the Falls was a coke bar and Darryl's position was a doorman and then the Dorian guy made that statement because he was trying to say Littlejohn only worked the outside door.

Yeah, he wears a bullet proof vest for a reason..... The company he keeps and the activities he engages in surely provides a reason for the vest, I'm sure.

[dragonfly]

I got to believe part of the reason is he is fixated on this type of attire.

The Ninja Suits he wears at work and the Fugitive Hostage attire complete with handcuffs (seen by his neighbors) are all part of his persona. He tell employer he is a US Marshall. The bullet proof vest fits right in. He no doubt has fastasies of being an powerful LE bada$$.

[strach304]

Probably more to do with being shot in a driveby Dragonfly. Another interesting development imo since the press conference yesterday announcing they have his dna have you notice his neighbors now have a clear recollection of him beating on his girlfriends. Most were probably scared to tell LE anything about him, don't blame them.