Carpet Fibers link Littlejohn to Imette

[MrsMush99]

I posted this in the links thread, but felt it deserved it's own thread so no one missed it.

NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/398198p-337388c.html)

I also heard on the news this morning that the DNA tests were inconclusive.

[michelle]

I posted this in the links thread, but felt it deserved it's own thread so no one missed it.

NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/398198p-337388c.html)

I also heard on the news this morning that the DNA tests were inconclusive. I was waiting for something to come out without a doubt.

[tipper]

From the link:
" Lorraine House said a dark van pulled up in front of the pub and a black man got out of the driver's seat and went inside. He returned quickly and guided a dark-haired woman into the van, she said.

"He went in and he came out with her," the 50-year-old woman told The News. "She was staggering a little bit and he was holding her from behind, by the elbows."

"I know he drove away mighty fast. He screeched off. That was what really attracted my attention," she said.

House, who had been abusing crack and the anti-anxiety drug Xanax, said she didn't think much about the incident - until she saw Littlejohn's face plastered across The News' front page. Shortly after The News found House in the small park, where she had not returned until yesterday, detectives rolled up and took her in for questioning."

What about the witnesses who said Littlejohn escorted her out of the bar. What about the scream and scuffle the bartender said he heard.

This witness sets off some alarms. I'd like to hear her complete story..

[kittykat1]

Holy cow! I hope this homeless woman is telling the truth. I am not saying this in a doubtful way. I honestly hope she was a witness to the events leading to the abduction of Imette.

[concernedperson]

I didn't see where this article was posted before. But if you scroll down it says the DNA under the nail's was not DL and possibly belonged to a woman, maybe Imette's.

I thought the semen stain was determined not to be DL but this article may not be correct.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/62944.htm

[dragonfly]

interesting reading on DNA as it applies to this case.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/398145p-337374c.html

The inconclusive results of crucial DNA tests conducted by investigators probing the murder of Imette St. Guillen are a setback for the case - but not insurmountable, experts told the Daily News yesterday.

Though the results could indicate the DNA does not match the genetic profile of the prime suspect, the findings could also mean the DNA sample wasn't large enough or needs to be examined more closely, the experts said.

"They should know within a day [of the test] whether or not it's a match, provided everything goes correctly," said Robert Shaler, former head of forensic biology in the city medical examiner's office. The inconclusive results "could mean they only got a partial profile and it's not enough to make a direct identification. Or it could mean it doesn't match him," Shaler said.
<snip>
But ongoing tests could lead to a match, experts said, noting that the city medical examiner's office is one of the few forensic labs that uses a state-of-the-art DNA profiling technique known as Low Copy Number testing.
The advanced testing means the city needs as few as six cells, compared to the roughly 150 cells used by traditional tests, to generate a match.


( more at the link above)

[txsvicki]

Holy cow! I hope this homeless woman is telling the truth. I am not saying this in a doubtful way. I honestly hope she was a witness to the events leading to the abduction of Imette.

I'll bet she may be lying just trying to get the reward but at least someone is willing to say that they saw him leave with Imette. The only thing about this is that it puts Imette walking and being guided by the freak instead of being tied up and gagged. I don't believe that she willing got into his van.

[Annie]

I just heard them say on Nancy Grace's show that he sometimes carried handcuffs. He may have told her he was arresting her since he often dressed up like law enforcement.

[dragonfly]

From the media thread and a post by indigomood
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...in1388462.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/10/national/main1388462.shtml)

On Thursday, police revealed that carpet fibers on the tape covering St. Guillen's brutalized face linked to Littlejohn. The fibers on the tan tape match those from his Queens apartment and are the strongest evidence yet linking him to the crime, WBZ reporter Dan Rea said.

But the carpet is "relatively common," the New York Daily News reports.

Thanks for this new information indigo,
When I read this my heart just sank.... :mad:

[PrayersForMaura]

I am just so confused. Was she put into the van or taken into the basement of the bar or both? I thought that the tape and ties were from the basement of the bar, and the blanket since it had cat hairs and the cat was from the basement of the bar, but the tape had fibers from the carpet at his house? Did he do part of this at the bar and part at his house? Or what is the theory?

[MrsMush99]

I think both prayers. I think she brought into the basement of the bar and then brought into the van and possibly brought to his house.

[PrayersForMaura]

Boy, he sure moved her around a lot. Outside the bar, inside the bar, into the basement, back outside of the bar, into the van, out of the van, inside his house, back into the van, to the dumping site, out of the van, dumped on the road. He sure moved her a lot and chanced being seen a lot in NEW YORK of all places! Dang, he's a gutsy guy.

How can you move a body THAT many times even if it is early in the morning, but in NEW YORK of all places and not be seen? Cabbies are everywhere. People are everywhere.

Something is not right.

[MrsMush99]

Prayers,

I'm responding to you alot today, LOL. I agree with you. Something is not right here. I would not be surprised if he turns out he did not do this but someone else in the bar did, possibly he was involved in the cover up though. I know everyone is ready to jump all over this that it's him. But things, IMO are just not adding up. At least not yet.

And you are right, there are ALWAYS people lurking about in NY. Can't imagine how no one saw this happen, except the homeless lady. But seriously, (and I don't mean to sound rude here) but I don't think she's that credible. Alot of homeless are drunks sad but true. I'm not saying she didn't see what she said, just that I would feel more comfortable if it was someone more reliable.

[strach304]

Since when is red carpet common?

[LvsAMystry]

Not sure where to put this, but since it involves the carpet fibers I figure this thread is as good as any.

What I don't get is that the fact that there are carpet fibers at all doesn't fit. What I mean is, here we are working on the premise that this guy knows how to hide his ties to a crime, such as having the rape victims wipe themselves to remove evidence prior to dumping them. I suspect it worked if they have no DNA evidence to compare and instead had to rely on identification through lineup. So, if he's pretty thorough about this stuff, which seems to be the case, what was the purpose of the tape that most people know pick all kinds of things? I guess it just doesn't seem to fit IMO. Unless, of course, he isn't the serial rapist and thus not as thorough as it would seem.

[concernedperson]

Not sure where to put this, but since it involves the carpet fibers I figure this thread is as good as any.

What I don't get is that the fact that there are carpet fibers at all doesn't fit. What I mean is, here we are working on the premise that this guy knows how to hide his ties to a crime, such as having the rape victims wipe themselves to remove evidence prior to dumping them. I suspect it worked if they have no DNA evidence to compare and instead had to rely on identification through lineup. So, if he's pretty thorough about this stuff, which seems to be the case, what was the purpose of the tape that most people know pick all kinds of things? I guess it just doesn't seem to fit IMO. Unless, of course, he isn't the serial rapist and thus not as thorough as it would seem.

Because he cut her hair knowing that prints would be available on the tape.He was trying to get rid of evidence. The red carpet fibers are common place but prints on tape are not.He was being as thorough as he knew to be. It is up to NYPD to be more thorough.

[LvsAMystry]

Because he cut her hair knowing that prints would be available on the tape.He was trying to get rid of evidence. The red carpet fibers are common place but prints on tape are not.He was being as thorough as he knew to be. It is up to NYPD to be more thorough.

We don't know the hair was cut for that reason, though I agree it makes sense. I'm not troubled that he may have tried to be as careful as possible but didn't succeed, I just meant that it doesn't seem that someone that is said to take this much care to cover his tracks would use tape at all in the first place. I know mistakes are made, and thank god for that when it comes to catching criminals, but it just seems off to me that he wouldn't have recognized the possibilities the tape provides to LE.

[cammy-g]

Unless, of course, he isn't the serial rapist and thus not as thorough as it would seem.
That would be my guess, DL does not seem to be meticulous like the serial rapist. Time will tell.

[willowhorse]

Since when is red carpet common?
NYPD just has to prove he did it! The red carpet does tie him to the crime. I believe the police have enough circumstantial evidence to convict him. This guy will not confess but I really have no doubt about his guilt! His Aunt may know more than she is actually telling!!!

[txsvicki]

Not sure where to put this, but since it involves the carpet fibers I figure this thread is as good as any.

What I don't get is that the fact that there are carpet fibers at all doesn't fit. What I mean is, here we are working on the premise that this guy knows how to hide his ties to a crime, such as having the rape victims wipe themselves to remove evidence prior to dumping them. I suspect it worked if they have no DNA evidence to compare and instead had to rely on identification through lineup. So, if he's pretty thorough about this stuff, which seems to be the case, what was the purpose of the tape that most people know pick all kinds of things? I guess it just doesn't seem to fit IMO. Unless, of course, he isn't the serial rapist and thus not as thorough as it would seem.


Just wiping down or making someone shower wouldn't get rid of semen. LE hasn't even said for sure that he used a condom or raped with an object only. He must have been trying to make sure his victims didn't have any fibers on them. Littlejohn threw a towel around one victims head and taped it, and threw blankets and jacket around others. He made one of them shower. The tape fits the same MO and I had thought that he might have been wrapping the head to prevent the victims' hairs or even saliva from falling out in his vehicle or home in addition to some other sicko reasons.

[PonderingThings]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=3981332

Detectives returned to South Jamaica this afternoon to question neighbors, including a man who lives directly across the street and a woman who lives next door to Darryl Littlejohn, the 41-year-old bouncer who remains the focus of this investigation.

Last night, crime scene investigators converged on Littlejohn's home for the fourth straight night, this time, law enforcement sources say, to rip up Littlejohn's plumbing, a desperate but deliberate search for DNA evidence that could make or break this case.