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petra
03-09-2006, 05:48 PM
How can someone slip under the radar as DL has for so long?

*seven time convicted felon
*jailed for about 20 yrs under at least 5 aliases
*tells Parole Officer he is working for mortgage company, also moonlights as bouncer
*drivers liscence
*social security number

I must be missing something. Here is an American born citizen, with parents and other relatives--also two children. I am assuming they have been born and lived in the states.

How can someone get around all this?? Especially with fingerprints and mugshots while jailed.

I feel so naive--what is this guy's birth name, school records,etc??

Thoughts are welcome

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 07:49 PM
How can someone get around all this?? Especially with fingerprints and mugshots while jailed.
Hi Petra:) ,
I can tell you that when we compile an intake file on an individual,2 sets of hard prints are done,a photo is taken of the front view and one profile shot is taken.2 sets of these are done also.
The id facesheet is filed out,this asks the aliases,ss#,drivers lic state and #.
Education,last grade completed.Emergency notification,ect.
We only know what they tell us.
The same info is listed on the print sheet.The photos are stapled to the print sheet.

This sits in a drawer and then sits in the warehouse when the inmate leaves.

cathieq
03-09-2006, 07:57 PM
I think things will only improve with a national database and a requirement that all LE agencies be provided with computer access. Of course for it to work, mug shots and fingerprints must also be entered and easily accessed. Communication, communication, communication - it's the key. Unfortunately, small agencies (such as ours) don't have the budget or even internet access.

petra
03-09-2006, 08:00 PM
Thanks d-s..

I find this very interesting. So thet is how DL can give different names, ss#,birthdate, etc everytime he was arrested...and basically there is no cross checking?

:confused: sorry i sound so stupid, but i really have no idea how this works. Sounds pretty amazing that he could get a way with this without getting caught earlier.

concernedperson
03-09-2006, 08:03 PM
There is this great underground where fake id's are manufactured daily. Complete with social security numbers. It is easy for real criminal element people to use this. It is harder to disprove it.

strach304
03-09-2006, 08:17 PM
I thought it was identity theft of dead people and ficticious names, his aunt and mother have both referred to him by the Littlejohn name as if that's the correct legal name and I know it to be another alias.

strach304
03-09-2006, 08:18 PM
There is this great underground where fake id's are manufactured daily. Complete with social security numbers. It is easy for real criminal element people to use this. It is harder to disprove it.

Yeah where's homeland security when you need them?

concernedperson
03-09-2006, 08:32 PM
Yeah where's homeland security when you need them?

On the farm with Cheney?

jttnewguy
03-09-2006, 08:35 PM
Thanks d-s..

I find this very interesting. So thet is how DL can give different names, ss#,birthdate, etc everytime he was arrested...and basically there is no cross checking?

:confused: sorry i sound so stupid, but i really have no idea how this works. Sounds pretty amazing that he could get a way with this without getting caught earlier.Well, today anyone's ID can be checked nationally through the NCIC (National Criminal Information Center) and the FBI's national fingerprint database very quickly, usually within a day. But DL was in prison from 1996 through 2004, and most of his prior convictions were before that. Back in 1996, the Internet didn't really exist and the fingerprint database wasn't very complete or fast, the only way to compare prints was to shuffle through thousands of index cards. As a result, most local police deaprtments didn't routinely check a suspect's fingerprints against records in other counties or states like they do nowadays.

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 08:44 PM
Not all prints are logged.People give fake names.So not everyones id's and prints can be checked via computer.

petra
03-09-2006, 08:45 PM
Well, today anyone's ID can be checked nationally through the NCIC (National Criminal Information Center) and the FBI's national fingerprint database very quickly, usually within a day. But DL was in prison from 1996 through 2004, and most of his prior convictions were before that. Back in 1996, the Internet didn't really exist and the fingerprint database wasn't very complete or fast, the only way to compare prints was to shuffle through thousands of index cards. As a result, most local police deaprtments didn't routinely check a suspect's fingerprints against records in other counties or states like they do nowadays.
Okay, still trying to track. DL gets out july 9 2004.
He was questioned in 2002 by FBI regarding some possible connections to heavy drug lords.

Maybe this is when they learn of his aliases???? dunno
In 2004, he is out on parole under the name of Banks, goes to Parole Officer- must have job therefor SS#, .....Does he give name of Littlejohn then??

His resume given to the Falls is under Littlejohn, but perhaps he works black.

Hoe does Littlejohn get around PO and legit job and paying taxes with alias name?

petra
03-09-2006, 08:49 PM
Not all prints are logged.People give fake names.So not everyones id's and prints can be checked via computer.
d-s...does this happen in armed robbery, rape,..what i would call hard crimes?:eek:

or only in things like drunk driving,etc

or both??

And does this still happen today?

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Okay, still trying to track. DL gets out july 9 2004.
He was questioned in 2002 by FBI regarding some possible connections to heavy drug lords.

Maybe this is when they learn of his aliases???? dunno
In 2004, he is out on parole under the name of Banks, goes to Parole Officer- must have job therefor SS#, .....Does he give name of Littlejohn then??

His resume given to the Falls is under Littlejohn, but perhaps he works black.

Hoe does Littlejohn get around PO and legit job and paying taxes with alias name?
Hi Petra,
Like I said before,not everyone and their prints are listed.

petra
03-09-2006, 08:53 PM
Hi Petra,
Like I said before,not everyone and their prints are listed.
Hi Dark Shadows

This is scarying me!!! There must be hundreds or thousands of cases like this:doh:

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 08:55 PM
d-s...does this happen in armed robbery, rape,..what i would call hard crimes?:eek:

or only in things like drunk driving,etc

or both??

And does this still happen today?
It does not matter if it is a felony or misdemeanor.

petra
03-09-2006, 08:57 PM
It does not matter if it is a felony or misdemeanor.
LOL at myself. I don't even know what the terminology was called . thanks

concernedperson
03-09-2006, 09:03 PM
It does not matter if it is a felony or misdemeanor.

Ya know what is funny is that my thumb print is on a bank record where I cashed a check. It was like 25 dollars.Yet these major criminals get away with everything. They definitely have a handle on old broads like me and if I go on a shooting spree Wachovia will be able to apprehend me quickly. LOL!

petra
03-09-2006, 09:08 PM
I thought it was identity theft of dead people and ficticious names, his aunt and mother have both referred to him by the Littlejohn name as if that's the correct legal name and I know it to be another alias.
I didn't catch anywhere were his mom spoke...is she in a psyc ward as was written in one article way back or was that misinformation?

Read that aunt Addie Harris is guardian of house........

And when I people searched on google, DL name came up with age 41, also dad's name, same address, age 71. I only used the free people search.

petra
03-09-2006, 09:12 PM
Ya know what is funny is that my thumb print is on a bank record where I cashed a check. It was like 25 dollars.Yet these major criminals get away with everything. They definitely have a handle on old broads like me and if I go on a shooting spree Wachovia will be able to apprehend me quickly. LOL!
:blowkiss: I know what you mean CP, I think they took my prints when I first started donating blood. Hope Red Cross has no computer cross references.

It is time for us to get more street wise!!!

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 09:16 PM
Ya know what is funny is that my thumb print is on a bank record where I cashed a check. It was like 25 dollars.Yet these major criminals get away with everything. They definitely have a handle on old broads like me and if I go on a shooting spree Wachovia will be able to apprehend me quickly. LOL!Hi Concernedperson,
It is so true.
Here are parts of our acts;
The general assembly finds that:

(1) Law enforcement agencies throughout the world have established fingerprint comparison as the universal method of verifying a subject’s identity and ensuring the integrity of criminal record systems.

(2) During the second quarter of 1998, fewer than 33 percent of defendants arraigned in Vermont district courts were positively identified through fingerprints; many of those identified by names and dates of birth were cited for minor misdemeanors.

(3) When compared to other states, Vermont ranks last in the percentage of defendants fingerprinted at arrest. In Vermont, there has been a preference not to arrest in the case of lesser crimes, but rather to cite a suspect into court.

(4) Failure to positively identify a person through the use of fingerprints may result in a person falsely using another’s identity. Defendants who assume an alias are able to avoid a criminal record under their true identity or are able to establish multiple criminal records under different aliases. These deceptions undermine the integrity of criminal records and limit the effectiveness of the use of criminal histories.

(5) In the event of serious crimes, failure to positively identify a person through the use of fingerprints is a threat to public safety since a person’s risk of flight or threat to the victim and community cannot be accurately assessed until the subject has been identified and an accurate criminal history is available for criminal justice decision making.

(6) Records of arrests and citations cannot be submitted to the FBI unless the event is supported by fingerprints. Because Vermont fingerprints are taken in so few cases, the vast majority of criminal arrests and citations in Vermont are not reported to the FBI. Failure to include Vermont criminal history information in the FBI National Database is a serious public safety issue.

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 09:24 PM
(k) The Vermont crime information center, law enforcement agencies and correctional facilities shall destroy all copies of fingerprints and photographs of accused persons that were taken in connection with a particular alleged offense in any of the following circumstances:

(1) No criminal charge is filed by the state.

(2) The court does not make a determination of probable cause at the time of arraignment or dismisses the charge at the time of arraignment.

(3) The defendant is acquitted after a trial of all charges related to the incident which prompted the taking of the fingerprints and photographs.

(4) All criminal charges related to an incident that caused fingerprints and photographs to be taken are dismissed by either the court or the state after arraignment, unless the attorney for the state can show good cause why the fingerprints and photographs should not be destroyed.

(l) The Vermont crime information center shall establish procedures for providing prompt notification to law enforcement agencies and correctional facilities where the destruction of photographs and fingerprints is required.

(m) The Vermont crime information center may electronically transmit fingerprints and photographs of accused persons to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) at any time after arrest, summons or citation for the sole purpose of identifying an individual. However, the Vermont crime information center shall not forward fingerprints and photographs to the FBI for the purpose of inclusion in the National Crime Information Center Database until after arraignment. If the Vermont crime information center forwards fingerprints and photographs to the FBI after arraignment and the defendant is acquitted, the Vermont crime information center shall request the FBI to destroy the fingerprints and photographs. If the Vermont crime information center forwards fingerprints and photographs to the FBI after arraignment and all charges against the defendant are dismissed, the Vermont crime information center shall request the FBI to destroy the fingerprints and photographs, unless the attorney for the state can show good cause why the fingerprints and photographs should not be destroyed.

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 09:55 PM
Ya know what is funny is that my thumb print is on a bank record where I cashed a check. It was like 25 dollars.Yet these major criminals get away with everything. They definitely have a handle on old broads like me and if I go on a shooting spree Wachovia will be able to apprehend me quickly. LOL!You know something Petra and Concernedperson,I am sitting here wondering why a felon was allowed to leave jail to donate a kidney to his dying son.Only to have the son devastated to learn that his father and some woman are vacationing in Mexico.Not only does Destin Perkins and his family know this,it is international news.
It just showed Destin on CNN.What kind of monster could do that to their own child.That effing pig needs to be caught and put back behind bars.
:laugh: Maybe they can cross check prints in the database .....

concernedperson
03-09-2006, 10:34 PM
You know something Petra and Concernedperson,I am sitting here wondering why a felon was allowed to leave jail to donate a kidney to his dying son.Only to have the son devastated to learn that his father and some woman are vacationing in Mexico.Not only does Destin Perkins and his family know this,it is international news.
It just showed Destin on CNN.What kind of monster could do that to their own child.That effing pig needs to be caught and put back behind bars.
:laugh: Maybe they can cross check prints in the database .....

I got to tell you that Perkins disgusts me to the edge. It is one thing to be a criminal but to deny your child the right to life when you can do something about it and vacation in Mexico? Effing pig is maybe too kind.When they catch him and they will, any defense attorney is waiting for the wrath of the public.Pretty much along with Littlejohn, Hansen,Handsome, etc.The problem is there is no death penalty for those being extradicted from Mexico and apparently NY doesn't have it either. New Yorkers really need to reconsider when this comes up again.

dark_shadows
03-09-2006, 11:04 PM
I got to tell you that Perkins disgusts me to the edge. It is one thing to be a criminal but to deny your child the right to life when you can do something about it and vacation in Mexico? Effing pig is maybe too kind.When they catch him and they will, any defense attorney is waiting for the wrath of the public.Pretty much along with Littlejohn, Hansen,Handsome, etc.The problem is there is no death penalty for those being extradicted from Mexico and apparently NY doesn't have it either. New Yorkers really need to reconsider when this comes up again.
Very good post Concernedperson,I always love reading your posts.

mysteriew
03-10-2006, 01:02 AM
I don't imagine there is any connection, but do you realize that
'Little John' was in Robin Hood's band of merry men?

marly56
03-10-2006, 01:33 AM
Hi Petra:) ,
I can tell you that when we compile an intake file on an individual,2 sets of hard prints are done,a photo is taken of the front view and one profile shot is taken.2 sets of these are done also.
The id facesheet is filed out,this asks the aliases,ss#,drivers lic state and #.
Education,last grade completed.Emergency notification,ect.
We only know what they tell us.
The same info is listed on the print sheet.The photos are stapled to the print sheet.

This sits in a drawer and then sits in the warehouse when the inmate leaves.
hi dark_shadows, dont you require positive identification? or at least match their social security against the computer?

marly56
03-10-2006, 01:42 AM
There is this great underground where fake id's are manufactured daily. Complete with social security numbers. It is easy for real criminal element people to use this. It is harder to disprove it.
i agree with you if they are new in the country or if they are id,d in a bar..but i think if they are born here and there is id required...i know i always have to show my driver,s license...i could not believe it. a few months ago i went to the Empire state building and they would not let me in till they scanned my drivers license.security here in new your is boarderline oppressive. i think as far as DL is concerned.. yes he used all these dumb alias,s but i think once he was arrested and booked LE found out what his real name was.

marly56
03-10-2006, 01:47 AM
Okay, still trying to track. DL gets out july 9 2004.
He was questioned in 2002 by FBI regarding some possible connections to heavy drug lords.

Maybe this is when they learn of his aliases???? dunno
In 2004, he is out on parole under the name of Banks, goes to Parole Officer- must have job therefor SS#, .....Does he give name of Littlejohn then??

His resume given to the Falls is under Littlejohn, but perhaps he works black.

Hoe does Littlejohn get around PO and legit job and paying taxes with alias name?
he has friends in the Mob and he doesn,t pay taxes.

marly56
03-10-2006, 01:58 AM
Hi Concernedperson,
It is so true.
Here are parts of our acts;
The general assembly finds that:

(1) Law enforcement agencies throughout the world have established fingerprint comparison as the universal method of verifying a subject’s identity and ensuring the integrity of criminal record systems.

(2) During the second quarter of 1998, fewer than 33 percent of defendants arraigned in Vermont district courts were positively identified through fingerprints; many of those identified by names and dates of birth were cited for minor misdemeanors.

(3) When compared to other states, Vermont ranks last in the percentage of defendants fingerprinted at arrest. In Vermont, there has been a preference not to arrest in the case of lesser crimes, but rather to cite a suspect into court.

(4) Failure to positively identify a person through the use of fingerprints may result in a person falsely using another’s identity. Defendants who assume an alias are able to avoid a criminal record under their true identity or are able to establish multiple criminal records under different aliases. These deceptions undermine the integrity of criminal records and limit the effectiveness of the use of criminal histories.

(5) In the event of serious crimes, failure to positively identify a person through the use of fingerprints is a threat to public safety since a person’s risk of flight or threat to the victim and community cannot be accurately assessed until the subject has been identified and an accurate criminal history is available for criminal justice decision making.

(6) Records of arrests and citations cannot be submitted to the FBI unless the event is supported by fingerprints. Because Vermont fingerprints are taken in so few cases, the vast majority of criminal arrests and citations in Vermont are not reported to the FBI. Failure to include Vermont criminal history information in the FBI National Database is a serious public safety issue.
i think this great information applies to vermont i dont think this applies to new-york..do you know D_S if this is only in some states and not in others? i have given my finger prints ''finger imaging'' already.. actually i had to give them when i updated my non driver driver license.thanx!

strach304
03-10-2006, 07:22 AM
Mystery, we did notice about the robinhood connection. When they first published the bouncer's name I recognized it but didn't know where from but didn't think too much of it till T-Rex and one other poster said they heard the name before so I spoke up and that's what one poster suggested but I knew that wasn't it. After doing a search and finding out Darryl Littlejohn is a rapper/songwriter it clicked. One of those times where you know you know something but don't know how you know.

petra
03-10-2006, 08:06 AM
http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=129832&format=

FEDS FLUBBED IN TRACKING FELON

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad:

petra
03-10-2006, 08:41 AM
"""""""""""""""""""New York state parole officials said they had regular contacts with Littlejohn in the days before St. Guillen’s murder - including a surprise home visit on Feb. 2 - but federal officials also charged with his supervision said they hadn’t even tried to track him.
Garoppolo said the lapse resulted from a clerical error that caused his sentencing information to be sent to the wrong location. The sentence, by a federal judge after Littlejohn’s 2000 conviction for armed robbery, included threeyears in prison and post-release monitoring for three years.
“We’ve had no contact with him since 2000 when we did our pre-sentence report,” Garopollo said yesterday. “It was a human error on our part . . . and we are reforming the system to make this less likely to happen in the future.”
State and federal officials have issued warrants for Littlejohn on parole violations, a step allowing cops to detain him as they continue to investigate St. Guillen’s murder and the string of rapes"""""""""""""""""snippet

shellbee
03-10-2006, 11:54 AM
Yeah where's homeland security when you need them?Busy conducting warrantless wiretaps. :rolleyes: