Dorians give their Side of the Story

[dragonfly]

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/60769.htm

This commentary was from a reporter who states that he is a life long friend of the Dorian Family. Maybe some will see it as "damage control"

"He (Jack Dorian) doesn't believe what he's read in the newspapers about his son Danny and what happened to Imette St. Guillen that fateful night at The Falls.

"First of all, that little girl wasn't drunk - and all that does is hurt her family.

"Second, she wasn't thrown out of the bar. It was closing time and everyone was asked to leave.

"Third, my son Danny was not bartending and he didn't ask anyone to escort her out.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer. He was one of two doormen working outside the bar to check ages and IDs of drinkers. Bouncers work inside a bar in case of trouble. My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn. Danny was inside, Littlejohn was outside.

"Fifth, Littlejohn was hired on a part-time basis. He passed himself off as a former U.S. marshal complete with his U.S. marshal's cap and identification hanging from his neck.

"Forged? Looks like it might have been."

Carol Dorrian added: "We are already getting all kinds of crazy calls calling my son, little Danny, a killer.

"A killer? Danny gave his father a new life when, two years ago - on April 21, my husband's birthday - he donated his kidney to Jack, who was on dialysis three times a week for four months. The same young man, with his brothers and friends, raised $85,000 for Hurricane Katrina victims. "It's disappointing that people somehow are attacking Danny. But, of course, our problems are nothing compared to the pain of that little girl's family. I'm a mother many times over and I just cannot imagine what they're going through."

[tipper]

My feeling is we've already seen errors in reporting and before we hang these people from the nearest tree we should wait until things calm down and we find out what the true facts are.

[kittykat1]

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/60769.htm

This commentary was from a reporter who states that he is a life long friend of the Dorian Family. Maybe some will see it as "damage control"

"He (Jack Dorian) doesn't believe what he's read in the newspapers about his son Danny and what happened to Imette St. Guillen that fateful night at The Falls.

"First of all, that little girl wasn't drunk - and all that does is hurt her family.

"Second, she wasn't thrown out of the bar. It was closing time and everyone was asked to leave.

"Third, my son Danny was not bartending and he didn't ask anyone to escort her out.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer. He was one of two doormen working outside the bar to check ages and IDs of drinkers. Bouncers work inside a bar in case of trouble. My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn. Danny was inside, Littlejohn was outside.

"Fifth, Littlejohn was hired on a part-time basis. He passed himself off as a former U.S. marshal complete with his U.S. marshal's cap and identification hanging from his neck.

"Forged? Looks like it might have been."

Carol Dorrian added: "We are already getting all kinds of crazy calls calling my son, little Danny, a killer.

"A killer? Danny gave his father a new life when, two years ago - on April 21, my husband's birthday - he donated his kidney to Jack, who was on dialysis three times a week for four months. The same young man, with his brothers and friends, raised $85,000 for Hurricane Katrina victims. "It's disappointing that people somehow are attacking Danny. But, of course, our problems are nothing compared to the pain of that little girl's family. I'm a mother many times over and I just cannot imagine what they're going through."It's all about semantics

"First of all, that little girl wasn't drunk - and all that does is hurt her family."

Little girl? He may be trying to show sympathy/empathy here, but as far as I am concerned she is a woman. IMO, "little girl" is demeaning toward Imette as if she were inferior to the Dorian family. I thought little girls went to grade school.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer. He was one of two doormen working outside the bar to check ages and IDs of drinkers. Bouncers work inside a bar in case of trouble. My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn. Danny was inside, Littlejohn was outside.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer." Bouncer, doorman, whatever. When Mr. Dorian says "My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn," this too is another way of demonstrating how superior the Dorians are to other people. Emphasis added by me.

"Fifth, Littlejohn was hired on a part-time basis. He passed himself off as a former U.S. marshal complete with his U.S. marshal's cap and identification hanging from his neck.

Scenario: OK, this guy needs a part time job. Instead of passing himself off as a former US marshal, he passes himself off as a surgeon because he is wearing scubs, has a stethoscope and a fake hospital i.d.? Remember, he needs a part time job? Wouldn't you want to check first. Would you find it suspicious that a doctor needed a part time job. If he was a US marshal, why isn't he anymore? Questions, you have to ask questions. You have to do background checks.

"But, of course, our problems are nothing compared to the pain of that little girl's family."

Again with the "little girl" comment.

I really don't know how to end this post. It just looks like the Dorians (notice I didn't say "these Dorian people") have an excuse for everything and no one in their family could ever do anyone harm.

[PrayersForMaura]

I think the "little girl" remarks are just older people talk... My dad and my mom are in their 60s and they always call my friends (in my 30s) little girls, or "kids".
I don't know if it's meant to be demeaning, honestly. But, I am not them so I don't know. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[marly56]

It's all about semantics

"First of all, that little girl wasn't drunk - and all that does is hurt her family."

Little girl? He may be trying to show sympathy/empathy here, but as far as I am concerned she is a woman. IMO, "little girl" is demeaning toward Imette as if she were inferior to the Dorian family. I thought little girls went to grade school.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer. He was one of two doormen working outside the bar to check ages and IDs of drinkers. Bouncers work inside a bar in case of trouble. My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn. Danny was inside, Littlejohn was outside.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer." Bouncer, doorman, whatever. When Mr. Dorian says "My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn," this too is another way of demonstrating how superior the Dorians are to other people. Emphasis added by me.

"Fifth, Littlejohn was hired on a part-time basis. He passed himself off as a former U.S. marshal complete with his U.S. marshal's cap and identification hanging from his neck.

Scenario: OK, this guy needs a part time job. Instead of passing himself off as a former US marshal, he passes himself off as a surgeon because he is wearing scubs, has a stethoscope and a fake hospital i.d.? Remember, he needs a part time job? Wouldn't you want to check first. Would you find it suspicious that a doctor needed a part time job. If he was a US marshal, why isn't he anymore? Questions, you have to ask questions. You have to do background checks.

"But, of course, our problems are nothing compared to the pain of that little girl's family."

Again with the "little girl" comment.

I really don't know how to end this post. It just looks like the Dorians (notice I didn't say "these Dorian people") have an excuse for everything and no one in their family could ever do anyone harm.
oh! kittykat1 you you are so right! so funny how when i read your post i could almost hear him ...making these statements in a loud thunderous tone, waving his hands around and not making any eye contact.a real pro protecting ''the farm''

[aheddle]

Using "this guy" in discussing Littlejohn shows distain and rightfully so.
I have grown up "kids" and their friends are kids to me too...nothing insulting at all in my opinion.....Older people do talk about younger people this way but not out of disrespect,but I will hold back until all the facts come out...if they ever do.

[hockeymom]

I'm sure his terms don't mean much,but they irritate me anyway. Refering to Imette as "young lady" would seem alittle more appropriate.
I still say there is something fishy when they took so long to report what really happened.

[Greywing]

I think the "little girl" remarks are just older people talk... My dad and my mom are in their 60s and they always call my friends (in my 30s) little girls, or "kids".
I don't know if it's meant to be demeaning, honestly. But, I am not them so I don't know. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. And as I approach 50, I can understand why. I don't think "little girl" is meant to be demeaning (although in my 20's I would have taken it as such ;) ). At my age now a little girl or child or boy (which I find myself using in tragedies) just expresses a bit of grief at a young person having so much of life ahead of them and that life taken away.

[tiredblondy]

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/60769.htm

This commentary was from a reporter who states that he is a life long friend of the Dorian Family. Maybe some will see it as "damage control"

"He (Jack Dorian) doesn't believe what he's read in the newspapers about his son Danny and what happened to Imette St. Guillen that fateful night at The Falls.

"First of all, that little girl wasn't drunk - and all that does is hurt her family.

"Second, she wasn't thrown out of the bar. It was closing time and everyone was asked to leave.

"Third, my son Danny was not bartending and he didn't ask anyone to escort her out.

"Fourth, this guy Littlejohn, he was not a bouncer. He was one of two doormen working outside the bar to check ages and IDs of drinkers. Bouncers work inside a bar in case of trouble. My son Danny couldn't even see this guy Littlejohn. Danny was inside, Littlejohn was outside.

"Fifth, Littlejohn was hired on a part-time basis. He passed himself off as a former U.S. marshal complete with his U.S. marshal's cap and identification hanging from his neck.

"Forged? Looks like it might have been."

Carol Dorrian added: "We are already getting all kinds of crazy calls calling my son, little Danny, a killer.

"A killer? Danny gave his father a new life when, two years ago - on April 21, my husband's birthday - he donated his kidney to Jack, who was on dialysis three times a week for four months. The same young man, with his brothers and friends, raised $85,000 for Hurricane Katrina victims. "It's disappointing that people somehow are attacking Danny. But, of course, our problems are nothing compared to the pain of that little girl's family. I'm a mother many times over and I just cannot imagine what they're going through."
In several of the news articles a detective was "quoted" as saying the lies from Dorian who lawyered up and waited a week to come forward with the truth had hindered the investigation to the point the perp could have had plenty of time to destroy evidence. Fact..There were lies... Fact..it took a week and lawyer representation for the truth to come out. I think that alone speaks for itself..!!!!!(I can't find the link) but the detective also had a few personal comments about D. Dorian that I totally agree with. I'm sure the man has good qualities but "fear or whatever" was no reason for lying in this instance!!!!Poor Imette!!

[PrayersForMaura]

Carol and Jack Dorian have nothing to do with this in my opinion, regardless of how stupid their son may have acted. I think it's unfair of them to be attacked, even though everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[englishleigh]

I agree with "little girl" being said b/c the Dorrians are probably close to being elderly and they are thinking of Imette as a little girl since she was only 24. As for "that guy" Littlejohn, I'll bet Jack Dorrian wanted to say "that ^&%#" but refrained. They sound like nice people who are upset by what happened...I just hope Danny did not tell a lie to police, and maybe he did not.

[Insomniac]

I agree with "little girl" being said b/c the Dorrians are probably close to being elderly and they are thinking of Imette as a little girl since she was only 24. As for "that guy" Littlejohn, I'll bet Jack Dorrian wanted to say "that ^&%#" but refrained. They sound like nice people who are upset by what happened...I just hope Danny did not tell a lie to police, and maybe he did not.Look, it has been reported by some reliable sources that the Dorrians.. Danny have lied to the police. If they wanted to clarify what's been printed they could. It sounds like yet another version of what happened. Sounds like they are trying to downplay the role of the bouncer because of his history and being the sole suspect. Then the father trying to claim Danny wasn't tending bar (wonder if GHB was found in Imette's system?). It seems this rant was in response to hate calls that the Dorrian's are getting, and trying to defend "little danny" saying he's not a killer, he's so wonderful,etc.

Sorry, the Dorrian's already have a sullied reputation with whole Robert Chambers thing. Allowing underage drinking to go on, cocaine was flowing through red door. These aren't fine upstanding people. They don't check their employee's backgrounds, they lie, etc.

[PrayersForMaura]

And how many bars in the United States haven't allowed underage drinking? Is that the owner's fault or the people serving that night who fail to check id's properly? Or is it the fault of the people who are underage out drinking with their fake id's?

Regardless, no one deserves to die. And I don't think anyone in the situation thought that what was about to happen that night was going to happen. That's just my opinion, though.

Prayers for Imette. I'm sure she felt safe there or she wouldn't have been there in the first place. It's unfortunate than one person had to take this too far and take her life away ... and take it in a very brutal, inhumane way.

[Insomniac]

My feeling is we've already seen errors in reporting and before we hang these people from the nearest tree we should wait until things calm down and we find out what the true facts are.The police sources on tv have confirmed the Dorrian's lied. Some of what Daddy Dorrian is saying would make it impossible for Little Danny to be a witness, which led to the arrest of DL. Then to downplay that DL was a bouncer there. Well, whatever his title was, he had keys, and responsiblity. No matter what his title was he was working in a bar as a parolee, and there was no background check done. This whole rant is a cover-up.

And let's not forget the Dorrians provided Robert Chambers, a real piece of scum, with a defense attorney. What a bunch of pure trash that family is.

[Insomniac]

And how many bars in the United States haven't allowed underage drinking? Is that the owner's fault or the people serving that night who fail to check id's properly? Or is it the fault of the people who are underage out drinking with their fake id's?

Regardless, no one deserves to die. And I don't think anyone in the situation thought that what was about to happen that night was going to happen. That's just my opinion, though.

Prayers for Imette. I'm sure she felt safe there or she wouldn't have been there in the first place. It's unfortunate than one person had to take this too far and take her life away ... and take it in a very brutal, inhumane way.Who's saying that anyone deserves to die? Your response is completely off-the-wall.

[PrayersForMaura]

Who's saying that anyone deserves to die? Your response is completely off-the-wall.My response is not really "completely off the wall".

My response was to myself in my first paragraph, where I wrote regardless of whose fault it is for who serves the underage drinker, no one deserves to die. So if it was Dorian's fault for serving the girl who was drinking underage in the Chamber's killing that you brought up (which doesn't necessarily pertain to this case really, although is very sad), or her fault for being in the bar when she shouldn't have been, she didn't deserve to die. That was my point.
Sorry I was a bit unclear.
I just feel the Dorians are not to blame here.

Edited because I didn't mean to be rude...

[MrsMush99]

Everyone take a deep breath. Breathe in breathe out. I was just thinking the other day how well this forum is going. :)

[PrayersForMaura]

Everyone take a deep breath. Breathe in breathe out. I was just thinking the other day how well this forum is going. :)
You are right. It is going well :)

Well all here for justice for Imette and to see the responsible party or parties be punished.

Is it true New York does not have the death penalty? :banghead:

[MrsMush99]

PrayersforMaura

yes, it's true, we do not have the death penalty. We did and then they took it away saying it was unconstitutional. :furious: I actually got a call the other day one of the polls they were taking about the death penalty. Of course I said I wanted it brought back. But you know what??? No one was even tried with the death penalty NOT ONE PERSON even when we had it, so what's the point?

[willowhorse]

PrayersforMaura

yes, it's true, we do not have the death penalty. We did and then they took it away saying it was unconstitutional. :furious: I actually got a call the other day one of the polls they were taking about the death penalty. Of course I said I wanted it brought back. But you know what??? No one was even tried with the death penalty NOT ONE PERSON even when we had it, so what's the point?Hopefully, he will be convicted on federal charges as a hitman and receive the death penalty. Life in prison is too good for him. I would like to see him fry for what he did to Imette!

[willowhorse]

My response is not really "completely off the wall".

My response was to myself in my first paragraph, where I wrote regardless of whose fault it is for who serves the underage drinker, no one deserves to die. So if it was Dorian's fault for serving the girl who was drinking underage in the Chamber's killing that you brought up (which doesn't necessarily pertain to this case really, although is very sad), or her fault for being in the bar when she shouldn't have been, she didn't deserve to die. That was my point.
Sorry I was a bit unclear.
I just feel the Dorians are not to blame here.

Edited because I didn't mean to be rude...
The Dorian's are responsible for their employees actions!!! Also, the son is guilty of obstructing a criminal investigation when he lie to the police! I see a MEGABUCK civil suit settlement for Imette's Family.

[willowhorse]

The police sources on tv have confirmed the Dorrian's lied. Some of what Daddy Dorrian is saying would make it impossible for Little Danny to be a witness, which led to the arrest of DL. Then to downplay that DL was a bouncer there. Well, whatever his title was, he had keys, and responsiblity. No matter what his title was he was working in a bar as a parolee, and there was no background check done. This whole rant is a cover-up.

And let's not forget the Dorrians provided Robert Chambers, a real piece of scum, with a defense attorney. What a bunch of pure trash that family is.
ABSOLUTELY!

[bbmcrae]

I agree with the above comments. The Dorians are not some sweet, humble little mom and pop watching over their innocent, well-meaning kid. They are a rich and connected family covering their asses, IMO.

They certainly didn't have anything directly to do with Imette's death, but they have since behaved in a shameful, self-interested fashion. And not for the first time, mind you.

I am a New Yorker and I say to hell with them and their bars.

[txsvicki]

If the news accounts about Dorian weren't true, then maybe they can sue to offset what they will be sued for in letting a criminal work at their place. As far as the Dorian's sounding like they think they are superior, they are definitely superior to that freak littlejohn even if he weren't a rapist or murderer. He's a total loser.

[PonderingThings]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=3982307

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wabc/cms_exf_2005/news/protesters1.jpg

The bar where murdered grad student Imette Saint Guillen was last seen was the focus of a protest by neighbors Friday night. The Falls bar in SoHo is the target of angry residents who have long complained about the bar and the noise. And Saint Guillen's murder only added fuel to their case. Meanwhile, there are new developments in the murder investigation.

Eyewitness News Reporter Jeff Pegues is at The Falls with the story.

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Outside The Falls bar in SoHo Friday night, there were candles and flowers in memory of Imette Saint Guillen. Two weeks after her body was discovered, this bar is quickly becoming a target.

A protester said: "There were lies here."

About a dozen people demonstrated here. They are accusing the bar of knowingly breaking the law by hiring Darryl Littlejohn -- a man with an extensive rap sheet. And they say The Fall's management has impeded the investigation.

[PonderingThings]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/consumer/7880502/detail.html

According to the New York Post, semen found on the blanket that was wrapped around St. Guillen's body did not belong to Littlejohn. It's believed the blanket came from the basement of The Falls bar and the bodily fluid could have come from an earlier sexual encounter.

[dragonfly]

Petra recently posted this link up in the media thread

http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=130227

"Can you be prosecuted for not being a good citizen? Not exactly.”

In the days after the 24-year-old was murdered, Dorrian lied to police about whether St. Guillen had her last rum and Coke at his Soho establishment.

“He didn’t remember seeing her,” one source said yesterday.

When others, including his own employees, told police the murdered woman had indeed been at The Falls, Dorrian lied about how she left the bar, law enforcement sources told me. He lied about whether he, himself, had been working. And he lied about who, exactly, had been on duty.

NYPD cops weren’t the only ones to whom he lied.

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A flustered Dan Dorrian was there, surrounded by reporters. When asked about St. Guillen, he said, “We don’t even know if she was here.”

Then he lied about his ownership at the bar. “I’m Danny,” he said, refusing to give his last name. “Just a lowly day manager.”

When he finally started telling the truth, he only did so with an attorney by his side.

“Him not talking possibly prevented crucial evidence to be recovered. The fact that he would only talk with a lawyer shows what kind of coward he really is.”

Levin’s parents sued Jack Dorrian for $25 million, a lawsuit that was later settled out of court.

I imagine the Dorrians should brace themselves for another lawsuit, only this one might be filed from Boston.

[MrsMush99]

Does anyone else think that Danny Dorrian might be involved somehow with this?? He just has too many lies. Why lie if you have nothing to hide?? Was he really more concerned about his bar then he was about a murdered college student?

[LadyJustice]

On the topic of the Dorrian "connection" - I didn't know that the Dorrian's provided Robert Chambers' lawyer. Do you know what their connection to him/his family is? I was a little young(er) at the time of the preppy killer's trial, and so I just figured he was a bar patron and nothing else.

As for the Dorrians themselves, while they may not be directly involved in Imette's death, I have to wonder what kind of atmosphere they permitted in their bars that made them apparently conducive to inappropriate conduct. It's very bizarre that not just one death, but TWO, very brutal, sexually-oriented deaths are now linked to their establishments. For all anybody knows, there may be much more misconduct associated with their bars that has not resulted in death and hasn't been reported in the media. Who knows....I'm just thinking out loud....

[tiredblondy]

Does anyone else think that Danny Dorrian might be involved somehow with this?? He just has too many lies. Why lie if you have nothing to hide?? Was he really more concerned about his bar then he was about a murdered college student?
I've wondered about that...in one of the articles he said he told the bouncer to throw her out and then went to the basement..When he came back he said "they were gone". As I've said before.. Who went to the basement with him to verify his whereabouts and what a coincidence it was at the same time the other two disappeared.

[panthera]

Does anyone else think that Danny Dorrian might be involved somehow with this?? He just has too many lies. Why lie if you have nothing to hide?? Was he really more concerned about his bar then he was about a murdered college student?Yes, I believe the Dorrians are hiding 'something' illegal going on with their establishment: Per Littlejohn's PO, Littlejohn was supposed to be working at a mortgage lending co. at the same address as the Falls. NYPD seized computers from the basement of the Falls. Do we smell some IRS problems here?? Maybe money laundering? It is entirely possible that the Dorrians knew Littlejohn was a paroled felon, but didn't care...maybe because they knew they could put his 'skills' to use. They impeded the investigation of Imette's murder...and by doing so there could have been another victim. They have shown no concern for the fact that Imette was (most likely) murdered by someone in their employ. They have not reached out to her family or done anything sympathetic but rather only made self-serving statements...they need to be charged with obstruction of justice, to start with...

[MrsMush99]

On the topic of the Dorrian "connection" - I didn't know that the Dorrian's provided Robert Chambers' lawyer. Do you know what their connection to him/his family is? I was a little young(er) at the time of the preppy killer's trial, and so I just figured he was a bar patron and nothing else.

I believe the father (sorry don't remember his first name, I want to say Jack, but I'm not sure) knows RC's mother. I believe they were friends.

[MrsMush99]

I've wondered about that...in one of the articles he said he told the bouncer to throw her out and then went to the basement..When he came back he said "they were gone". As I've said before.. Who went to the basement with him to verify his whereabouts and what a coincidence it was at the same time the other two disappeared.

That's very interesting that he went to the basement. The blanket came from the basement didn't it? So if he went to the basement and when he came up Littlejohn and Imette were gone, how did Littlejohn go into the basement with Imette without Danny seeing them? This case has so many twists and turns.

[fran]

So, to those of you from New York, are they considering prosecuting the owner of the bar for anything? Last night on one of the programs the person speaking was really angry and said the lying and delaying of the witnesses from the bar was, in her mind, criminal. Is there word of 'hindering the prosecution,' or some such charge hanging over their head?

What's the word on the street?

fran

[MrsMush99]

Fran,

Haven't heard anything about charges being brought against them. I'll post if I hear anything.

[fran]

Fran,

Haven't heard anything about charges being brought against them. I'll post if I hear anything.

Thanks MrsMush: :blowkiss:

IMO, they should be charged with something. All they did when this came to light was go into 'self preservation mode.' It seemed all they cared about was their own $$$ liability. Disgusting, IMHO

Poor Imette :(

fran

[MrsMush99]

Fran,

I personally think Danny is involved somehow. Maybe it's because I find it so hard to believe that they would hinder a muder investigation just to save their own butts. I suppose it is possible, maybe I don't want to believe people could be that cold hearted.

[fran]

Fran,

I personally think Danny is involved somehow. Maybe it's because I find it so hard to believe that they would hinder a muder investigation just to save their own butts. I suppose it is possible, maybe I don't want to believe people could be that cold hearted.

You could be right MrsMush. I don't think we've heard the last of them yet. I bet LE is sooooo upset with them. I wouldn't doubt if that bar ends up closed for good,............soon.

By keeping quiet, that guy left himself open for LE to have suspicion of him and I bet they're checking him out as we type.

Serves him right, :p IMHO.

JMHO
fran

[newtv]

personally I think everyone working in that bar is responsible..it should fall on the establishment for a law suit but noone should feel proud of themselves for seeing what was going on or hearing it or just sensing something wasnt right and keeping their mouths shut.
If u are going to be killed by someone u will hope its where people are willing to get involved not turn away and let things go on..they all have her blood on their hands imo.

When I was a student I remember working in a bar-as a server..and u always know whats going on-u know who the pigs are-you know when something isnt right.
If they did not know before its not hard to piece it together after-and noone came forward with anything helpful.

added- further- imo the bar should be shut down until they have sorted out who is who and what is what..I cannot imagine anyone going to that bar after such a horrific murder occured and the lead suspect is the bouncer..I could not even sit in that bar again.

[fran]

personally I think everyone working in that bar is responsible..it should fall on the establishment for a law suit but noone should feel proud of themselves for seeing what was going on or hearing it or just sensing something wasnt right and keeping their mouths shut.
If u are going to be killed by someone u will hope its where people are willing to get involved not turn away and let things go on..they all have her blood on their hands imo.

When I was a student I remember working in a bar-as a server..and u always know whats going on-u know who the pigs are-you know when something isnt right.
If they did not know before its not hard to piece it together after-and noone came forward with anything helpful.

added- further- imo the bar should be shut down until they have sorted out who is who and what is what..I cannot imagine anyone going to that bar after such a horrific murder occured and the lead suspect is the bouncer..I could not even sit in that bar again.

I agree newtv:
Everyone that was present that night when Imette left should have spoken up. Plus, why didn't they check out what happened to her? I don't understand. How could they hear a little commotions etc., the next thing you know the bouncers gone? What the heck!

Then, when it was learned what happened to Imette, I can't believe these people even hesitated to tell LE EVERYTHING they knew. It's absurd.

Hasn't everyone stopped going to the bar already? From everything I've seen and read, their business is just about zero. GOOD!! :mad:

I agree they should shut them down now and work it out later. Weren't they just recently cited for serving a minor anyway? Good reason to shut 'em down, IMHO

JMHO
fran

[newtv]

I agree newtv:
Everyone that was present that night when Imette left should have spoken up. Plus, why didn't they check out what happened to her? I don't understand. How could they hear a little commotions etc., the next thing you know the bouncers gone? What the heck!

Then, when it was learned what happened to Imette, I can't believe these people even hesitated to tell LE EVERYTHING they knew. It's absurd.

Hasn't everyone stopped going to the bar already? From everything I've seen and read, their business is just about zero. GOOD!! :mad:

I agree they should shut them down now and work it out later. Weren't they just recently cited for serving a minor anyway? Good reason to shut 'em down, IMHO

JMHO
fran
Exactly, if I was the dishwasher and saw her leave or whatever I would say what was true-something like "the boss asked her to be removed by the bouncer=I heard a commotion between them but figured that was part of kicking her out so did not think it was a problem-but now that I hear she is missing thats what I know."