The semen of Little John does not match the seman on the blanket.

[newtv]

The semen of Little John does not match the semen on the blanket.

I keep waiting to see a thread on the DNA issues-it seems that the semen doesnt match from the blanket - to Little John.


What does it mean?

[mic730]

Could me a lot and very little. The following is what I heard about from the TH's all day today.

The semen on the blanket could have been depostied by somone else before the crime and has nothing to with the rape murder.

Or it could mean there is another perp that with LittleJohn.

Or it could mean LittleJohn is not the perp and has nothing to do with the crime.

The fingernail scrappings did not match either I believe or were inconclusive.

[newtv]

I think we should have a thread for the DNA that doesnt match just to be aware of it- to me its pretty revealing of presumption of innocence..(just could be its not this guy)
Nothing has matched but DNA wise so far-and he was ruled out in a line up..
It is just not looking good imo-but I am not saying its not him-but I am surprised this wasnt a bigger deal to anyone here..how things are not matching.

[docwho3]

I think we should have a thread for the DNA that doesnt match just to be aware of it- to me its pretty revealing of presumption of innocence..(just could be its not this guy)
Nothing has matched but DNA wise so far-and he was ruled out in a line up..
It is just not looking good imo-but I am not saying its not him-but I am surprised this wasnt a bigger deal to anyone here..how things are not matching.Ok, but lets be really clear about doesn't match vs. inconclusive as there is a world of difference. Does not match, as in it is someone elses DNA that was processed is different than . . . . .inconclusive, as in not enough DNA to get a true reading.

Last I heard DNA was inconclusive in at least one test. But I haven't followed the news really closely in the past 24 hours. Still, a second person has not been ruled out so far as I am aware so DNA might not match one person but could still match the other when he/she is found. And I still wonder if they have run his fresh DNA against his old sample to see if it matches just to be certain the record is right.

I think fibers and other circumstances connect him to this crime. The DNA may tell us even more about the crime at some point in the future. Technology is improving all the time and last I heard they were still planning to do more advanced testing on some of the DNA samples. If they don't have enough to know conlusively today they may know in the future.

Someone once said,"It ain't over til its over."
And I add:and for the guilty it aint ever over in a murder case.

[Insomniac]

Ok, but lets be really clear about doesn't match vs. inconclusive as there is a world of difference. Does not match, as in it is someone elses DNA that was processed is different than . . . . .inconclusive, as in not enough DNA to get a true reading.

Last I heard DNA was inconclusive in at least one test. But I haven't followed the news really closely in the past 24 hours. Still, a second person has not been ruled out so far as I am aware so DNA might not match one person but could still match the other when he/she is found. And I still wonder if they have run his fresh DNA against his old sample to see if it matches just to be certain the record is right.

I think fibers and other circumstances connect him to this crime. The DNA may tell us even more about the crime at some point in the future. Technology is improving all the time and last I heard they were still planning to do more advanced testing on some of the DNA samples. If they don't have enough to know conlusively today they may know in the future.

Someone once said,"It ain't over til its over."
And I add:and for the guilty it aint ever over in a murder case.I think LE ought to get their eyes out of the tunnel, and start looking at some other possible suspects. Possibly some deeper theories into what happened, and levels of involvement. Lot's of discussions around the net about this guy being the fall guy. Some very intelligent discussions I might add.
He may have been involved, but, I seriously doubt he's the only one.

[pjop]

I think we should have a thread for the DNA that doesnt match just to be aware of it- to me its pretty revealing of presumption of innocence..(just could be its not this guy)
Nothing has matched but DNA wise so far-and he was ruled out in a line up..
It is just not looking good imo-but I am not saying its not him-but I am surprised this wasnt a bigger deal to anyone here..how things are not matching.
I know I sure was disappointed by the news. The first thing I thought about the blanket, though, is that if in fact it did come from some hotel it could be from Lord knows who and not have anything to do with this.
It was really disappointing that the skin under the nails wasn't a match. I guess it's back to square one.

[docwho3]

I think LE ought to get their eyes out of the tunnel, and start looking at some other possible suspects. Possibly some deeper theories into what happened, and levels of involvement. Lot's of discussions around the net about this guy being the fall guy. Some very intelligent discussions I might add.
He may have been involved, but, I seriously doubt he's the only one.Who (other than you) said they (L.E.) aren't considering a second person or that they are not actively investigating all leads? Sounds like you are in danger of believing some of the many of the rumors and inaccurate news reports.

[txsvicki]

The semen could be from any other male who had access to that quilt. There was only one man involved in the recent rapes and he has been identified as littlejohn and it sounded like he didn't leave any semen behind in those. Imette's murder and rape fit the same MO as the rapes, so common sense says it's him that did it to all those girls and is the only one involved.

[docwho3]

The semen could be from any other male who had access to that quilt. There was only one man involved in the recent rapes and he has been identified as littlejohn and it sounded like he didn't leave any semen behind in those. Imette's murder and rape fit the same MO as the rapes, so common sense says it's him that did it to all those girls and is the only one involved. I agree that what you said sounds sensible to me. I just don't think L.E. has shown tunnel vision in this as someone else said. The investigators seem,to me, to be doing an excellent job and so far they have given reason for us to believe they will investigate all possibilities and follow where the evidence leads.

[MrsMush99]

The semen could be from any other male who had access to that quilt. There was only one man involved in the recent rapes and he has been identified as littlejohn and it sounded like he didn't leave any semen behind in those. Imette's murder and rape fit the same MO as the rapes, so common sense says it's him that did it to all those girls and is the only one involved.

He wasn't identified in other rapes. He was in two lineups and neither victim could pick him out.

[hockeymom]

I know I sure was disappointed by the news. The first thing I thought about the blanket, though, is that if in fact it did come from some hotel it could be from Lord knows who and not have anything to do with this.
It was really disappointing that the skin under the nails wasn't a match. I guess it's back to square one.


Not to be gross,but if its from a hotel it DEFINITLEY could be someone else's. Did you ever watch the Oprah show when they do a test on whats on hotel bedspreads!!? You would not want to touch one let alone use it. I think he found that blanket and used it to wrap her in it ,but it wasn't near them during the actual rape.

[michelle]

Not to be gross,but if its from a hotel it DEFINITLEY could be someone else's. Did you ever watch the Oprah show when they do a test on whats on hotel bedspreads!!? You would not want to touch one let alone use it. I think he found that blanket and used it to wrap her in it ,but it wasn't near them during the actual rape. I thought that too.

[MIpony]

If the "old bedspread" has been possably in a motel then in a basement/thrift store, and who knows where else, there could be tons of "donors" to choose from. I am thinking they were able to identify a more recent donation or two and test those. We don't really know where she was raped, and if this was just a wrapping of convienience that he found after the fact. Cat hairs and the like? Someone knows if it was in THAT basement.

[mic730]

I think it was on Greta or Rita a couple nights that on of the medical examiners on the show said it's actually rare for fingernail scrapings to yield a conclusive DNA test. He said that is a CSI show type thing.
I had no idea!

[strach304]

I would be shocked if LE got dna of his to match, I'd have to assume they planted it. New if you go back to what I posted in the beginning of this case you will see how accurately I predicted all of this. If you are assuming this guy is some stupid street thug think again but I have to say either the police don't want to bust him and are just going through the motions or they are dumb. Everyone remember Avery? The dna exonerates him and that's what everyone will think in this case too. I know he isn't stupid and that's exactly what he'd have to be to have his semen connected to this. He's also bi-sexual like about 90% of all former black male inmates.

[Insomniac]

Who (other than you) said they (L.E.) aren't considering a second person or that they are not actively investigating all leads? Sounds like you are in danger of believing some of the many of the rumors and inaccurate news reports.
I know what's being reported and I know a lot of inaccurate reports have been floating around. I also know i've seen reports that state they are looking at other leads including, a possible female and going to DL neighborhood interviewing men. I also believe the police may be planting false stories in the media. I didn't intend to be literal with that statement.

[Insomniac]

I would be shocked if LE got dna of his to match, I'd have to assume they planted it. New if you go back to what I posted in the beginning of this case you will see how accurately I predicted all of this. If you are assuming this guy is some stupid street thug think again but I have to say either the police don't want to bust him and are just going through the motions or they are dumb. Everyone remember Avery? The dna exonerates him and that's what everyone will think in this case too. I know he isn't stupid and that's exactly what he'd have to be to have his semen connected to this. He's also bi-sexual like about 90% of all former black male inmates.You have some research that states 90 % of all black male inmates are bisexual?

[marly56]

I know what's being reported and I know a lot of inaccurate reports have been floating around. I also know i've seen reports that state they are looking at other leads including, a possible female and going to DL neighborhood interviewing men. I also believe the police may be planting false stories in the media. I didn't intend to be literal with that statement.
i personally think there is a war between the media, LE and the defense lawyers. the lawyers fear ..'TRIAL BY MEDIA'....LE ... does the ground work to 'LOCK EM UP' and the media is scrambling around to 'GET THE STORY' i think the reason there are so many conflicting reports is that LE will not OFFER information to the public ,then the media begins speculating AROUND the story which is hearsay and eventually becomes print. then the lawyers hold press conferences to clear their their clients,and ultimately LE has to give up the information that they have.

[newtv]

I would be shocked if LE got dna of his to match, I'd have to assume they planted it. New if you go back to what I posted in the beginning of this case you will see how accurately I predicted all of this. If you are assuming this guy is some stupid street thug think again but I have to say either the police don't want to bust him and are just going through the motions or they are dumb. Everyone remember Avery? The dna exonerates him and that's what everyone will think in this case too. I know he isn't stupid and that's exactly what he'd have to be to have his semen connected to this. He's also bi-sexual like about 90% of all former black male inmates.
I was thinking about this strach..that you said it was going to be a very hard case this way-and
It is turning out that the DNA isnt lining up in a very convincing way..I heard the DNA info on Anderson 360..he is usually more discerning in what he reports than anyone else.

[strach304]

You have some research that states 90 % of all black male inmates are bisexual?

Yeah I did read that, I never really believe the actual number is exact but it's probably close.

[newtv]

Yeah I did read that, I never really believe the actual number is exact but it's probably close.
I would like to know the context of that research because it is way too high to be true-90 percent engage in homosexual sex in jail but I doubt that it has anything to do with bi-sexuality..I also think anyone in jail is likely to be this way..based on where they are not on there sexual preference.
I mean it just makes no sense-stats dont even work that way-and for one who decides..inmates dont tell the truth..and its just ludicrous sounding to be honest..(not u strach)..this is racial bunk if true its been stated anywhere.

[strach304]

That one was published in the Baltimore Sun and it could've been local not national from what I remember but it was supposed to be a study of total population of inmates over a 10 year period that gave you the numbers on race, sexuality, drug abuse etc. A bunch of stuff like that but I do know they will inflate the numbers to suit their cause, one time it was the homeless where they exagerated the numbers.

[txsvicki]

That one was published in the Baltimore Sun and it could've been local not national from what I remember but it was supposed to be a study of total population of inmates over a 10 year period that gave you the numbers on race, sexuality, drug abuse etc. A bunch of stuff like that but I do know they will inflate the numbers to suit their cause, one time it was the homeless where they exagerated the numbers.

I've heard that said, not the 90%, but that most like anal sex and don't consider it homosexuality. My husband heard that on tv the other day, but I don't know which program or if it is true or not.

[newtv]

well thats even more ridiculous=anal sex preference= bisexuality..NOT!

[strach304]

I do have a theory for why he cut her hair off, don't know why I didn't think of it before and unless LE finds her hair there's no way for them to prove it. I think he got semen in her hair, now did he burn it, flush it down the toilet?

[docwho3]

I do have a theory for why he cut her hair off, don't know why I didn't think of it before and unless LE finds her hair there's no way for them to prove it. I think he got semen in her hair, now did he burn it, flush it down the toilet?Or mail it to be saved as a trophy later?

[scandi]

That was my immediate thought Strach, that he got semen in her hair. I thought it odd he would be doing all of this without gloves on as it would be too easy to leave forensics and not realize what could be seen under different light. And it was brown packing tape which isn't as easy to see thru to notice a fingerprint. On TV I've seen them pull out that clear wide packing tape. That is entirely different I think.

Scandi

[txsvicki]

I do have a theory for why he cut her hair off, don't know why I didn't think of it before and unless LE finds her hair there's no way for them to prove it. I think he got semen in her hair, now did he burn it, flush it down the toilet?

It looks like covering the heads of his victims is sure a part of his MO and like taking their clothing, showering, wiping down, and gargling. Littlejohn must have gotten something in Imette's hair or cut it off at the neckline as a precaution.

[Becba]

I think he used a motel blanket because we have all seen the shows where stains from everything show up on motel bedspreads we sleep under. Good way to throw LE off.

If he was wary enough to do that than why would he not be capable of racking her nails on the carpet of the room or something knowing it would have skin cells and just like we used to clean our erasers in elementary school, rub off what is there.
IMO, the reason he has not been connected before is that he has been doing what we have all feared. Turning forensic evidence knowledge to work in his favor.
If you want to get away with a planned crime nowadays just take the bedspread from a motel, fill a douche bottle with bleach, wear a condom, clean the fingernails and scrape them on the motel carpet. Whoever did this clearly has no emotional problems with killing or torturing, why not add some evidence to a crime?

[txsvicki]

I think he used a motel blanket because we have all seen the shows where stains from everything show up on motel bedspreads we sleep under. Good way to throw LE off.

If he was wary enough to do that than why would he not be capable of racking her nails on the carpet of the room or something knowing it would have skin cells and just like we used to clean our erasers in elementary school, rub off what is there.
IMO, the reason he has not been connected before is that he has been doing what we have all feared. Turning forensic evidence knowledge to work in his favor.
If you want to get away with a planned crime nowadays just take the bedspread from a motel, fill a douche bottle with bleach, wear a condom, clean the fingernails and scrape them on the motel carpet. Whoever did this clearly has no emotional problems with killing or torturing, why not add some evidence to a crime?


A douche bottle with bleach? Omg. Would that completely get rid of semen inside the victim? Did you hear about some maniac doing this to a woman?

[strach304]

A douche bottle with bleach? Omg. Would that completely get rid of semen inside the victim? Did you hear about some maniac doing this to a woman?

Alcohol or peroxide would work, mouthwash as a disinfectant too. Another new one I just found out about is the oxy-clean detergent. If it's gonna get rid of blood then semen and saliva would be a cinch.