Homeless man heard what Littlejohn said to Imette

[dark_shadows]

Apparently a homeless man saw Littlejohn and Imette getting into Littlejohn's van.Littlejohn said to Imette "don't worry,I'll take you home".

[docwho3]

Apparently a homeless man saw Littlejohn and Imette getting into Littlejohn's van.Littlejohn said to Imette"don't worry,I'll take you home".Sounds like he wasn't far away to have been within earshot.

[dark_shadows]

Sounds like he wasn't far away to have been within earshot.
Hi there Docwho:) ,
I just heard that on Fox news.They did not say much,but more will be said later about it.

[dark_shadows]

New York Post story (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/65076.htm)


Cruz told The Post he was awoken at around 4 a.m. by the screeching tires of Littlejohn's van as he stopped just down Lafayette Street from The Falls. Cruz said he saw Littlejohn - who was wearing a black jacket, blue jeans and brown boots - jump out and run inside.

"He parked in front of a lamp. He went in the front door," Cruz said. "When he came out the side door, he peeked his head out, and he came out the side door with her. They weren't fighting or nothing."

He said Littlejohn led a woman - whom he described as looking "part-Spanish, part-Chinese," and clad in a black jacket, black wool cap, dark jeans and black boots - out by the elbow before loading her into the vehicle. Cruz also told cops about distinctive jewelry that Imette was wearing - a detail that detectives have not revealed publicly.

[strach304]

I cannot for the life of me figure out why they would reveal his identity. thar's what has angered and upset me so much because I contacted them and gave them my information so now I feel like they can't be trusted. I told them he was a big time drug dealer and killer so by the next day it's all over the news that's he's being investigated by LE as a hit-man. How did they find that out?

[docwho3]

New York Post story (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/65076.htm) . . .from same article
. . .told police he saw suspect Darryl Littlejohn, 41, drive a blue van up to the bar . . . Which blue van would this be? And it belongs to who? Was this his gf's van?

[dark_shadows]

Well I did not see the other thread until after I posted this.I posted it after I saw the news and then went to the New York Post.

The heading if the other thread did not say the word "homeless man".I only looked at the other post after I noticed the homeless mans name after I posted the NYP article and went back to view the forum.

[dark_shadows]

from same article
Which blue van would this be? And it belongs to who? Was this his gf's van?Hi Doc,
Maybe it is his girlfriends van.I do not know if he was even allowed to drive.
He would have to be approved by his PO to drive and he would have to produce a valid dl and provide a valid reg,proof of insurance,ect.
So if it was the girlfriends van,they would have that recorded.(providing they have that policy there,they do it here.)




Providing that he was privilaged to operate a vehicle.

[dark_shadows]

I cannot for the life of me figure out why they would reveal his identity. Rhar's what has angered and upset me so much because I contacted them and gave them my information so now I feel like they can't be trusted. I told them he was a big time drug dealer and killer so by the next day it's all over the news that's he's being investigated by LE as a hit-man. How did they find that out?
Strach,
I am very sorry that you have to endure what you are going through.

[strach304]

That one link I looked at not only published his name but they posted a pic of the man. Thanks Dark Shadows I do appreciate it but my anger right now is because I want to see justice for Imette and keep this from happening to someone else.

[dark_shadows]

If information given by a person is used in a trial,The lawyer of the defendent has the name,address and other info on the person providing evidence used in the trial.

Many inmates have come back to the unit after a trial with a witness list in hand.
Unless the person is a confidential witness (they fear for their saftey and life,also the saftey of the family of the witness) and is proved credible.(the officer has used the same informant many times and info was a fact,ect.)

That is why not a lot of people do not get involved as a witness.Especially in a state case.

Apparently the man in the article did not ask to be confidential (he went to the media).
No,the name and photo should not have been used.

[dark_shadows]

from same article
Which blue van would this be? And it belongs to who? Was this his gf's van?
Also you would think that some gas station would have a tape of Littlejohn pumping gas into a vehicle.If he did not pay for the gas inside,he may have used a card at the pump.Don't they have records of the transaction.Don't gas stations have cameras trained on gas pumps?Especially with people driving off without paying for gas they want video evidence.Even a tape from weeks ago would help.

[nanandjim]

I cannot for the life of me figure out why they would reveal his identity. thar's what has angered and upset me so much because I contacted them and gave them my information so now I feel like they can't be trusted. I told them he was a big time drug dealer and killer so by the next day it's all over the news that's he's being investigated by LE as a hit-man. How did they find that out?
Wasn't it reported that a reporter found this homeless guy? So, I am assuming that the reporter got his name and photographed him, probably without realizing the danger in exposing this potential witness.

I have been reading on various sites about hits, drugs and gangs, and it is very scary. If this homeless man is legit, and it sounds like he is, his life is in danger, IMO.

[concernedperson]

Wasn't it reported that a reporter found this homeless guy? So, I am assuming that the reporter got his name and photographed him, probably without realizing the danger in exposing this potential witness.

I have been reading on various sites about hits, drugs and gangs, and it is very scary. If this homeless man is legit, and it sounds like he is, his life is in danger, IMO.

This is something I fear and have since early this morning. One can only imagine how easy this would be...no barricade to save your life at all. I would think the reporter would realize this and see that this man is relocated to an undisclosed location for the time being. Responsibility in reporting is one thing but exposing a vulnerable person carries a bigger responsibility.

[nanandjim]

... I would think the reporter would realize this and see that this man is relocated to an undisclosed location for the time being...
Perhaps, the name of the reporter is in the article. Someone should contact them with our concerns!!

Also, I am wondering whose van was used. A dark van was sitting in LJ's driveway, but it was inoperable, wasn't it? The other van, parked a few blocks away, was silver, I think.

[LvsAMystry]

Also, I am wondering whose van was used. A dark van was sitting in LJ's driveway, but it was inoperable, wasn't it? The other van, parked a few blocks away, was silver, I think.


Hmm, that's a good point, I didn't know the van in driveway was inoperable. I figured they suspected the blue one could be tied with the rapes ( I think one of the victims said it looked like the one she was pulled into), and the silver one tied to Imette. Now with this witness saying dark van, it's hard to know what that could mean.

[concernedperson]

Trust me I am not a mechanic but one can remove a distributor cap and the vehicle is then inoperable.

[kittykat1]

Hi Doc,
Maybe it is his girlfriends van.I do not know if he was even allowed to drive.
He would have to be approved by his PO to drive and he would have to produce a valid dl and provide a valid reg,proof of insurance,ect.
So if it was the girlfriends van,they would have that recorded.(providing they have that policy there,they do it here.)




Providing that he was privilaged to operate a vehicle.
That didn't stop him from working as a bouncer at a bar or staying out past his curfew. I guess he thought he was allowed to do whatever he wanted.

[dark_shadows]

Trust me I am not a mechanic but one can remove a distributor cap and the vehicle is then inoperable.Very good point CP.

[Buzzm1]

Wasn't it reported that a reporter found this homeless guy? So, I am assuming that the reporter got his name and photographed him, probably without realizing the danger in exposing this potential witness.

I have been reading on various sites about hits, drugs and gangs, and it is very scary. If this homeless man is legit, and it sounds like he is, his life is in danger, IMO.Especially since the NoSnitching T-shirts are selling like hot cakes, and that code is being adopted by a large segment of the young.

[indigomood]

I posted this last night in the media thread and thought it wise to post here as well...

Homeless Man Says He Heard Suspect, Victim Speaking

Sources confirm the 47-year-old homeless man is a crucial witness in the murder of Imette St. Guillen.

Cruz told CBS2 what he heard St. Guillen was saying to bouncer Darryl Littlejohn, the prime suspect in the graduate student's murder.

"Why is he throwing me out of the bar, I didn't do nothing to him," Cruz said was a question he overheard St. Guillen ask Littlejohn.

According to sources, that is consistent with details provided by The Falls bartender, that he had instructed Littlejohn to escort St. Guillen from the bar after last call.

More at Link

eta - I'm a bit of a skeptic but I think Imette is more likely to say "I didn't do anything to him" vs "I didn't do nothing to him." Semantics I know, but if she said she didn't do nothing to him, that means she did something to him? Is my logic warped?

[jannuncutt]

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"Why is he throwing me out of the bar, I didn't do nothing to him," Cruz said was a question he overheard St. Guillen ask Littlejohn.


eta - I'm a bit of a skeptic but I think Imette is more likely to say "I didn't do anything to him" vs "I didn't do nothing to him." Semantics I know, but if she said she didn't do nothing to him, that means she did something to him? Is my logic warped? That jumped out at me too!

[strach304]

I took it as street slang was the way the homeless man phrased it in his own words. All over the east coast in major cities people have their own lingo as well as some pretty heavy accents.

[nanandjim]

I think the homeless man was paraphrasing what Imette said, not quoting her. From what I have read, I find him credible, especially since he was able to identify jewelry that was not publicized by police.

[packerdog]

I think the jewelry that the homeless man saw could be a bracelet that was dangling off her wrist because she was lead by her elbows to the car. Maybe there was a sparkle from a braclet that caught his eye.

[fran]

I think the homeless man was paraphrasing what Imette said, not quoting her. From what I have read, I find him credible, especially since he was able to identify jewelry that was not publicized by police.


The reason I believe the homeless man is because he stated she was brought out the 'side door.' I saw this later reported from another source from within the bar. Plus, he had to have been fairly close as he heard them talking.

I said this on another thread, but I think he may have convinced Imette that he was actually an off duty LE making her feel comfortable with him. Enough to let him give her a ride home.

JMHO
fran

PS......Last night Windy Murphy said she thinks this should be considered a "hate crime." She bases that on the severe mutilation. She said he had to have a lot of hate and anger and took it out on his victim. She thinks whenever this sort of damage is done to the victim, they should change the law to consider it a 'hate crime.'..............fran

[indigomood]

I took it as street slang was the way the homeless man phrased it in his own words. All over the east coast in major cities people have their own lingo as well as some pretty heavy accents.

I think the homeless man was paraphrasing what Imette said, not quoting her. From what I have read, I find him credible, especially since he was able to identify jewelry that was not publicized by police.

Ahhh Yes, that makes sense, my little pea size brain did not take that into consideration. He was not quoting her directly. Thanks! :)

[Mygirlsadie]

Has anyone contacted LE or the Newsreporters about the safety of the homeless man now? I feel nervous for him..I will do it if nobody else has already I just need a name and where to send my concerns. I hope the poor guys ok.

[strach304]

Here ya go Mygirlsadie, I complained when they first released his name and then pic. It's a real good way to lose a witness.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/

[newtv]

I agree
but the good news is the hitman is in jail
and the homeless man/person
isnt the most incriminating evidence
DNA rules

[panthera]

I agree
but the good news is the hitman is in jail
and the homeless man/person
isnt the most incriminating evidence
DNA rules
It is unlikely the homeless man would be used as a witness by the prosecutor anyway; if they have the DNA match and other forensic evidence against Littlejohn, they don't need to risk his credibility being torn apart by the defense.

[Chanler]

It is unlikely the homeless man would be used as a witness by the prosecutor anyway; if they have the DNA match and other forensic evidence against Littlejohn, they don't need to risk his credibility being torn apart by the defense.
I think that the homeless man will testify; he does provide a link that aids the prosecution even if it is not strictly necessary. I think that prosecution can limit his testimony to the essentials, thus preventing negative fallout from the cross.

[txsvicki]

This all sounds like hogwash to me. I'm not believing a word of it unless the police confirm the jewelry and prove that Imette got into the van willingly. Why on earth would she had gotten into the van under the guidance of some stranger when she could have gotten a cab very easily like her friend did. This is yet another story trying to put Imette being upset about being put out of the bar and not being abducted. If she were that drunk, how did she manage to navigate her way to the Falls? It would take another hour for the drinks to really kick in. She hadn't been there that long. If LE could look at surveillance tapes around the streets to prove that Imette hadn't walked away from the Falls, then I bet they could see Littlejohn's van driving by and tell if he had a passenger or not.

[marly56]

This all sounds like hogwash to me. I'm not believing a word of it unless the police confirm the jewelry and prove that Imette got into the van willingly. Why on earth would she had gotten into the van under the guidance of some stranger when she could have gotten a cab very easily like her friend did. This is yet another story trying to put Imette being upset about being put out of the bar and not being abducted. If she were that drunk, how did she manage to navigate her way to the Falls? It would take another hour for the drinks to really kick in. She hadn't been there that long. If LE could look at surveillance tapes around the streets to prove that Imette hadn't walked away from the Falls, then I bet they could see Littlejohn's van driving by and tell if he had a passenger or not.
im with you again i dont buy this story from the homeless guy. i think it is all conjured up by hype from the homeless guy for reward money, remember LE needs a witness and the lawyers for the dorians need a scapegoat to take it OUTSIDE bar. i believe there was a scream in the side door..which would stiil place her on the dorians property. he probably knocked her out which would make it easier to pick her up and put her in the van and drive off with her.

[newtv]

I dont know what to think anymore

all I can say is I am so glad they have his DNA
cuz to think he would be on the streets
licking his ugly lips is just too much for me to contain.

[docwho3]

This all sounds like hogwash to me. I'm not believing a word of it unless the police confirm the jewelry and prove that Imette got into the van willingly. Why on earth would she had gotten into the van under the guidance of some stranger when she could have gotten a cab very easily like her friend did. This is yet another story trying to put Imette being upset about being put out of the bar and not being abducted. If she were that drunk, how did she manage to navigate her way to the Falls? It would take another hour for the drinks to really kick in. She hadn't been there that long. If LE could look at surveillance tapes around the streets to prove that Imette hadn't walked away from the Falls, then I bet they could see Littlejohn's van driving by and tell if he had a passenger or not.While I personally do not care if the witness story is correct or not, I am not entirely certain Imette was going willingly but she may have been hit and then threatened with a weapon before the witness saw them come out (which would account for the alleged muffled screech or whimper that was allegedly heard by employees of the bar), then brought outside to the van and so went with him under threat of weapon or harm of some kind. She had been drinking so was likely not too mentally quick right then and so she may have been hustled to the van before her mind began to work quickly enough to realize what to do. If she was under threat of a weapon I can see where he may have wanted to reassure her that he would not kill her so she would not freak out on the way to the van. So he might have said "Don't worry, I will take you home safe.", or words to that effect so she would think he planned to return her home after he got whatever he wanted.

[strach304]

Did everyone here see the video of Carlie Brucia's abduction? Not everyone saw the same thing and came to various conclusions going by the posts I read on this board and ctv.There were people who didn't notice the way Joe Smith had his hand angled into his jacket until it was brought up and then it seemed so obvious. Darryl always carried a gun so I don't doubt he had one then either and the homeless guy didn't see it.

[kato]

Very good point CP.

I had a psycho ex-BF who did just that but at the time I didn't know about that sneaky little trick.

[docwho3]

Trust me I am not a mechanic but one can remove a distributor cap and the vehicle is then inoperable.True or you can disconnect the battery or probably a hundred other little things. Some people even have kill switches hidden in their vehicle so that if someone tries to steal it the thing won't move (or in some cases will start but won't go far, depending on the type of circuit used) and this too would make the van appear to be disabled but in fact a simple flick of the hidden switch would make it driveable.

And I am sure that isn't the only blue van with a ladder on the back in the city so maybe he had access to another and left the one as a red (or in this case blue) herring.

[panthera]

im with you again i dont buy this story from the homeless guy. i think it is all conjured up by hype from the homeless guy for reward money, remember LE needs a witness and the lawyers for the dorians need a scapegoat to take it OUTSIDE bar. i believe there was a scream in the side door..which would stiil place her on the dorians property. he probably knocked her out which would make it easier to pick her up and put her in the van and drive off with her.
I'm with you on this homeless witness. And the van he's describing apparently was registered as non-operable on Jan. 27, and had not been running for 3 months. The NYPD has it impounded and would be able to verify the cause of it's 'disability' - if it's something DL could have done to 'disable' it or if it's a blown engine or transmission, etc.

[strach304]

I've always believed that the Police had no intention of using him as a witness at trial anyway but was a way for them to get warrants on the vehicles and DL's house after they lost their crime scene and suspected dna. DL was talking crap to the media about LE targeting the only black man in the place, blah, blah, blah. Naturally they had to be careful, same thing with the rape witnesses that weren't able to id him from the line up. Just as Geragos pulled the bullseye defense for Scott P. surely DL has the same idea and has the race card that he likes to play with when it suits him. The long term goal wasn't imo witness testimony it was to get those forensics they were desperately seeking at the time and they accomplished that for now. I'm concerned they don't have an indictment on him as of yet.