The 911 Call

[Romigirl]

I haven't heard anything from the media lately about this call. It doesn't seem to me like the suspect, Littlejohn, would have either the inclination or incentive to make this call. So, possibly either someone participated in this crime or someone saw her body placed there. But it seems weird to me that neither CourtTV nor Dan Abrams seems to be asking any questions about this.


Any ideas from any of you?

[Greywing]

I haven't heard anything from the media lately about this call. It doesn't seem to me like the suspect, Littlejohn, would have either the inclination or incentive to make this call. So, possibly either someone participated in this crime or someone saw her body placed there. But it seems weird to me that neither CourtTV nor Dan Abrams seems to be asking any questions about this.


Any ideas from any of you?
What I understood from all of the initial questions about the 911 call is that the caller was on a payphone "around the corner" from the scene in front of a cafe or diner (I think). Anyway caller didn't hang around after making call, no witnesses to the call and being a payphone fingerprinting no help.

Anyone else remember anything?

[indigomood]

What I understood from all of the initial questions about the 911 call is that the caller was on a payphone "around the corner" from the scene in front of a cafe or diner (I think). Anyway caller didn't hang around after making call, no witnesses to the call and being a payphone fingerprinting no help.

Anyone else remember anything?
The 911 call was made from the payphone at the Lindenwood Diner
2870 Linden Blvd., Brooklyn, NY 11208
For some reason my instinct tells me the perp also made the 911 call, but I don't know.

it is very close to the site of Imette's recovery (Fountain Ave) as well as close in proximity to the suspect's residence (121st Ave)

from Google maps

121st Ave Queens, NY (Darryl Littlejohn residence) to Fountain Ave Brooklyn, NY (Imette's Recovery Location)

1. Head west from 121st Ave - go 0.2 mi
2. Turn left at Springfield Blvd - go 1.7 mi
3. Turn right at N Conduit Ave - go 0.3 mi
4. Bear left into the Belt Pkwy West entry ramp to Verrazano Br - go 0.1 mi
5. Merge into Belt Pky W - go 3.7 mi
6. Take exit 17W to No Conduit Ave - go 0.3 mi
7. Continue on Nassau Expy - go 0.5 mi
8. Continue on N Conduit Ave - go 0.1 mi
9. Bear left at Linden Blvd - go 1.2 mi
10. Turn left at Fountain Ave - go 0.1 mi

8.2 mi (about 17 mins)


Fountain Ave Brooklyn, NY (dumps Imette's body) to 2870 Linden Blvd., Brooklyn, NY (places 911 call from payphone at Lindenwood Diner)

1. Head northwest from Fountain Ave - go 0.1 mi
2. Turn right at Linden Blvd - go 0.6 mi
3. Bear right and head toward Linden Blvd - go 111 ft
4. Bear left at Linden Blvd - go 0.2 mi

0.9 mi (about 1 min)

[T'sNana]

I wonder if the caller was a homeless person or "person of the night". THis being a high crime area where apparently prostitutes hang out, etc., it could have been a prostitute or a "John" that called it in.

[Romigirl]

I'm wondering also if it was someone who "saw it happening", when her body was placed there. I'm also wondering if someone else was involved, maybe not in her murder but in the disposal of her body. I just can't think of why Littlejohn, if he is the lone perp, would do so.

Profilers say that when a perp knows the victim, they will sometimes feel remorse and treat the body with respect and/or report the crime. However, there's nothing I've heard so far that would indicate Littlejohn had a relationship with Imette and the "dumping" of the body indicates total disregard for her.

So why would he want to give the police this information? I know serial killers sometimes give clues to police for ego and "game-playing" reasons, but this would be a big risk on his part, since he knew he had been seen with her at The Falls (at the very least by the bar manager, and possibly by other remaining bar patrons/employees, security cameras on the street, and/or other witnesses on the street) he was on probation with an extensive record which would draw police attention immediately, he was violating parole by working at The Falls, etc.

Also, to give police her location so soon after the crime, put them on a "hot" trail with access to evidence that may have deteriorated over time were she not found for a while.

I realize a lot of criminals are stupid, but I just don't understand what his motivation would be for making the 911 call. I just don't see where this guy would feel "bad" after the fact and I don't see him being willing to take such a risk just to toy with the cops.

Does anyone else have any other scenarios? I still find it very interesting that none of the media are asking questions about this, because if it wasn't him, and it wasn't an "innocent" bystander witness, there could be another monster roaming freely.

[strach304]

There were some reports awhile back that LE was doing voice analysis on messages from DL's cell phone to see if they could get a match from that but that info hasn't come out nor results of the toxicology results from Imette and then there's also the reasons for LE investigating an accomplice. Hopefully after the grand jury we'll find out more.

[mocity]

One article I read said the toxicology reports came back and she was heavily intoxicated. So, I guess they have been released????

[strach304]

One article I read said the toxicology reports came back and she was heavily intoxicated. So, I guess they have been released????

Yes you are right that was in a recent report but that's the only info I've seen so far come out about the tox results because they were supposed to be checking for ghb and other drugs as well. I think the only reason the media got that info had something to do with the evidence given at the grand jury but no such report has been handed out so far for specifics on the toxicology results.

[i.b.nora]

One article I read said the toxicology reports came back and she was heavily intoxicated. So, I guess they have been released????
Do you have a link to the article?

[mocity]

It was in the other thread... here it is


http://news.bostonherald.com/stGuillenMurder/view.bg?articleid=128345&format=&page=1

"A medical examiner reported the cause of death was strangulation. A blood test showed St. Guillen was heavily intoxicated when she died, the source said. "

[i.b.nora]

It was in the other thread... here it is
Thank you. I have been following this case from the beginning and reading all the Boston Herald articles but missed that sentence, I guess.
Anyhow, that article was originally written February 28 and updated March 8, so it was before the grand jury and before the dna announcement.

Thanks again.

[WhiteWolf]

I haven't heard anything from the media lately about this call. It doesn't seem to me like the suspect, Littlejohn, would have either the inclination or incentive to make this call. So, possibly either someone participated in this crime or someone saw her body placed there. But it seems weird to me that neither CourtTV nor Dan Abrams seems to be asking any questions about this.


Any ideas from any of you?


Romigirl, anything we say now is just speculation about who made tha 911 call, but I can see DL making the call to have control of the crime. DL would have antisipated being questioned about Imette's death, and he wanted to control (be a jump ahead of LE) before he was questioned. It's a lot easier to do damage control when the perp can control the circumstances of how and when he is questioned. Remember DL made a big show of going to the bar on his day off to inquire about Imette being found. Typical damage control.

[Chanler]

I'm wondering also if it was someone who "saw it happening", when her body was placed there. I'm also wondering if someone else was involved, maybe not in her murder but in the disposal of her body. I just can't think of why Littlejohn, if he is the lone perp, would do so.

Profilers say that when a perp knows the victim, they will sometimes feel remorse and treat the body with respect and/or report the crime. However, there's nothing I've heard so far that would indicate Littlejohn had a relationship with Imette and the "dumping" of the body indicates total disregard for her.

So why would he want to give the police this information? I know serial killers sometimes give clues to police for ego and "game-playing" reasons, but this would be a big risk on his part, since he knew he had been seen with her at The Falls (at the very least by the bar manager, and possibly by other remaining bar patrons/employees, security cameras on the street, and/or other witnesses on the street) he was on probation with an extensive record which would draw police attention immediately, he was violating parole by working at The Falls, etc.

Also, to give police her location so soon after the crime, put them on a "hot" trail with access to evidence that may have deteriorated over time were she not found for a while.

I realize a lot of criminals are stupid, but I just don't understand what his motivation would be for making the 911 call. I just don't see where this guy would feel "bad" after the fact and I don't see him being willing to take such a risk just to toy with the cops.

Does anyone else have any other scenarios? I still find it very interesting that none of the media are asking questions about this, because if it wasn't him, and it wasn't an "innocent" bystander witness, there could be another monster roaming freely.
I think many people are reluctant or too nervous to identify themselves after coming on a crime victim. In the early 1980s, I called New York City 911 after several shipping guys in our company told me that they were certain that there was a corpse in a locked car trunk nearby that had been accumulated traffic tickets and a telltale aroma. None of them wanted to come forward; they weren't bad people, just reluctant to get involved. Also, I know of two assaults that weren't prosecuted because witnesses distanced themselves from making statements not because they felt threatened but because they wanted "to get on" with their lives.

New Yorkers have some reason to feel reluctant: The Daily News and The New York Post sometimes identify and use pictures of people connected only tangentially in a case.

In this case, any guilty person would be unlikely to get himself identified by calling from a very public place.

[TiddlyWinker]

I just think it was someone that didn't want to get involved out of fear, and may have seen them dump the body - or even not and just knew about it. New York would be typical in that everyone is afraid to have their face shown that "ratted out". No surprise to me.


.I'm wondering also if it was someone who "saw it happening", when her body was placed there. I'm also wondering if someone else was involved, maybe not in her murder but in the disposal of her body. I just can't think of why Littlejohn, if he is the lone perp, would do so.

Profilers say that when a perp knows the victim, they will sometimes feel remorse and treat the body with respect and/or report the crime. However, there's nothing I've heard so far that would indicate Littlejohn had a relationship with Imette and the "dumping" of the body indicates total disregard for her.

So why would he want to give the police this information? I know serial killers sometimes give clues to police for ego and "game-playing" reasons, but this would be a big risk on his part, since he knew he had been seen with her at The Falls (at the very least by the bar manager, and possibly by other remaining bar patrons/employees, security cameras on the street, and/or other witnesses on the street) he was on probation with an extensive record which would draw police attention immediately, he was violating parole by working at The Falls, etc.

Also, to give police her location so soon after the crime, put them on a "hot" trail with access to evidence that may have deteriorated over time were she not found for a while.

I realize a lot of criminals are stupid, but I just don't understand what his motivation would be for making the 911 call. I just don't see where this guy would feel "bad" after the fact and I don't see him being willing to take such a risk just to toy with the cops.

Does anyone else have any other scenarios? I still find it very interesting that none of the media are asking questions about this, because if it wasn't him, and it wasn't an "innocent" bystander witness, there could be another monster roaming freely.

[panthera]

Romigirl, anything we say now is just speculation about who made tha 911 call, but I can see DL making the call to have control of the crime. DL would have antisipated being questioned about Imette's death, and he wanted to control (be a jump ahead of LE) before he was questioned. It's a lot easier to do damage control when the perp can control the circumstances of how and when he is questioned. Remember DL made a big show of going to the bar on his day off to inquire about Imette being found. Typical damage control.
I tend to agree with your assessment. There were 'options' for the disposal of Imette's body, yet the perpetrator chose to wrap her body as a "mummy" inside a floral bedspread. She was dropped by the side of the road and would have been easily visible, almost as if he wanted her to be found. Perhaps he left her there shortly after dark, and waited around. After a couple of hours and no police, he could have decided to call himself. Another possibility is that early on it was inferred by LE that Littlejohn possibly had an accomplice, although nothing has materialized at this point.

[BloodshotEye]

I can't help thinking that a "diner" is kind of a place where you might over-hear someone in the booth next to you, talking on their cell phone about some kind of mess they got themselves into. Or you might hear two people talking, about a little bit of "clean up activity" they had to do. And perhaps the person who overheard fragments of this conversation, went to see for themselves, and called.

I agree. An annon. caller, in that area, at that hour, might have troubles of their own. e.g. drug dealer, car thief, etc.

I am wondering if The Falls guys, were weaving and bobbing, because they had more to loose than their liquor license. Know what I mean?

[panthera]

I can't help thinking that a "diner" is kind of a place where you might over-hear someone in the booth next to you, talking on their cell phone about some kind of mess they got themselves into. Or you might hear two people talking, about a little bit of "clean up activity" they had to do. And perhaps the person who overheard fragments of this conversation, went to see for themselves, and called.

I agree. An annon. caller, in that area, at that hour, might have troubles of their own. e.g. drug dealer, car thief, etc.

I am wondering if The Falls guys, were weaving and bobbing, because they had more to loose than their liquor license. Know what I mean?You bring up something interesting about this and may be correct that the caller overheard something inside the diner, or possibly was just on their way to the diner when they saw the body being dumped. Someone engaging in illegal activity in the area where the body was dumped wouldn't necessarily bother to drive to the diner. I don't think it was anyone from The Falls who had a 'moment of conscience' unless they were involved in the crime itself and had been the one who just dumped the body. I've always been suspicious of 'something bigger' that the Dorrians were covering up and believe they knew Littlejohn (and the other bouncers) had criminal records - perhaps even hiring them because they did.