Rose L. Cole, Missing Since 1972

[HeartofTexas]

Rose Cole was born December 23, 1956 in Flint, Michigan. Rose's full name is Rose Leanna Cole, but her family says she rarely used her middle name.

In 1972, at the age of 15, she was sent to Synanon Foundation in Oakland, CA for some kind of addiction (I'm assuming drugs).

For those who aren't familiar with Synanon, it was an unscrupulous drug treatment center whose clients rarely had a chance to leave once they arrived. Rose ran away from Synanon some time in late 1972 and wrote two letters to her family after leaving Synanon. To quote her sister-in-law:

Was sent to the Synanon Foundation in Oakland, California in 1972
She wrote 2 letters from there Oct/Nov 1972
A third letter in Dec 72 were she explains that she ran away from the synanon
The 4th and last letter was dated on her sixteen birthday

I only have the envelope for the letter from the Synanon.

I can type the letters again (lost my computer files on this) if that helps.

I have written the SIL requesting data on Rose's description. I have also asked her to re-type the letters, since I assume they might offer more details about her circumstances at Synanon.

I've checked death and marriage records in California, and death records in all states, and no Rose Cole shows up. Nor does she show up on any public records or phone book directory.

As her SIL stated, they have not heard from her since December of 1972. Rose would be 49 now, and would turn 50 this December.

Once additional information is received on Rose, I'll post it.

[HeartofTexas]

Here are some posts done on Rose Cole from another thread:


#33 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008606&postcount=33)
Today, 08:39 AM
HeartofTexas (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=5803)

Quote:


Heart of Texas found this....

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.co.../0024photo.html (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/o/l/Yannette-Cole/PHOTO/0024photo.html)

As a follow-up to the above girl (Rose Cole), I've been in touch with her family, and she was 15-16 at the time of her disappearance. Her family sent her to Synanon Foundation in Oakland, CA in 1972 (I'm assuming for drug problems) and after a few letters from her, and after she ran away from there a few months later, she's never been heard from since. Her DOB was 12-23-56. Since no crime was committed that we know of, and since she's an assumed run-away, it won't be appropriate for me to do a thread on WS on her.

#34 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008613&postcount=34) [/url]Today, 08:50 AM
Shadow205 (http://websleuths.com/forums/report.php?p=1008613)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartofTexas
As a follow-up to the above girl (Rose Cole), I've been in touch with her family, and she was 15-16 at the time of her disappearance. Her family sent her to Synanon Foundation in Oakland, CA in 1972 (I'm assuming for drug problems) and after a few letters from her, and after she ran away from there a few months later, she's never been heard from since. Her DOB was 12-23-56. Since no crime was committed that we know of, and since she's an assumed run-away, it won't be appropriate for me to do a thread on WS on her.

Heartoftexas,

Based on the research that we did last night on the Synanon Foundation, I think that a thread on Rose would be a good idea. If nothing else, start it in "Missing" or "Missing But Not Forgotten". I feel that Rose is more than just a runaway. Unless she was one of the really lucky ones, Synanon did not allow people to just leave. I would be interested in trying to help locate her.
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Today, 09:22 AM
HeartofTexas (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=5803)

Thanks so much, Shadow. I do want to point out, though, that her sister-in-law said she did run away from Synanon. Not that she may have gotten too far! I've written the SIL this morning asking for a description of Rose (height, color of hair, eyes, etc.) and will post that info when I get it.









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Today, 10:10 AM
[url="http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=5189"]Shadow205 (http://websleuths.com/forums/report.php?p=1008677)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartofTexas
Thanks so much, Shadow. I do want to point out, though, that her sister-in-law said she did run away from Synanon. Not that she may have gotten too far! I've written the SIL this morning asking for a description of Rose (height, color of hair, eyes, etc.) and will post that info when I get it.

Many tried to run away from Synanon but were brought back. I hope that she was successfull in getting away from there. Could you also find out exactly why they sent her there. I assume from what I have read it was for some type of addiction. I really hate to but we can start looking at Jane Does for a possible match too. Find out for sure which site she was at. It looks like they had more than one. Where is the postmark on the letter from and the date?
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Today, 10:13 AM
HeartofTexas (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=5803)

She didn't say what she was being treated for, but I assume it was drugs. She was at the Oakland, CA location. I've already checked the Jane Doe's this morning in both California and Nevada. Nevada's didn't start until 1979. California had one possibility that I found:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/62ufca.html (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/62ufca.html) Date of death was September 26, 1979

Other than that, I didn't find any that might match. I'm awaiting a description on Rose, which might help with identifying her from the Jane Does.

#38 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008683&postcount=38)



Today, 10:15 AM
HeartofTexas (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=5803)

Shadow, here's what the SIL wrote re the letters:
Quote:
Was sent to the Synanon Foundation in Oakland, California in 1972
She wrote 2 letters from there Oct/Nov 1972
A third letter in Dec 72 were she explains that she ran away from the synanon
The 4th and last letter was dated on her sixteen birthday

I only have the envelope for the letter from the Synanon.

I can type the letters again (lost my computer files on this) if that helps.


#39 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008685&postcount=39)



Today, 10:19 AM
HeartofTexas (http://websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=5803)

Shadow, I just emailed the SIL and asked her to re-type the letters for us. I told her to start with the last letter first, and then the next to the last, as I think the last 2 letters probably will hold the most clues. The SIL has small children and a job, so it may take her a few days to do the letters. I'll let you know when I get them.

[HeartofTexas]

Was sent to the Synanon Foundation in Oakland, California in 1972
She wrote 2 letters from there Oct/Nov 1972
A third letter in Dec 72 were she explains that she ran away from the synanon
The 4th and last letter was dated on her sixteen birthda
I just received an email from Rose's sister-in-law (married to Rose's brother), and she said she would start re-typing the letters referenced above today.

The SIL also said she would call some of the family members to get a description of Rose (color hair, color eyes, etc.). I'll post any info I get from the SIL.

[shadowangel]

A quick check of some of my resources shows a Rose Leanna Cole who graduated from a high school in NE in June of '73, at which time the Rose in question would have been almost 17.

Most likely a coincidence, but the name does not appear to be all that common and the similiarity in age makes the match intriguing.

[amandab]

I'd never heard of Synanon before, so I did some looking and HOLY COW. Here are two of the articles I've found; they give me chills..

http://www.ptreyeslight.com/columns/sparsely/sparsely1126_03.html

http://thestraights.com/theprogram/synanon-story2.htm

[gardenmom]

I have never heard of them before. That is some scary stuff. I am glad Rose got away, and I hope she is OK. Seems weird that since she had been letting her family know that she was OK, that the letters stopped.

[azure]

Do we know that Rose actually ran away? How credible are the letters the family recieved? Could it be that Synanon made up the "runaway" story to hide some foul play or a tragic accident and then had someone write and mail the letters?

Kelly

[HeartofTexas]

Shadowangel, that's an incredible find! I wonder what the possibilities are that it could be the same girl... probably tiny, but I wouldn't think Rose Leanna Cole is a popular name.

Azure, some others have had the same thought as you. I wouldn't put anything past Synanon. I have emailed the SIL to see if we can get copies of the letters so that the handwriting can be compared. Foul play seems like a good possibility, but I pray that somehow she ended up graduating from school in 1973 instead!

[azure]

HoT, I agree that Rose Leanna Cole is not a common name. I googled it, as I'm sure many of you have, and found no results.

My other question is, if the letters were authentic, did they indicate that rose was trying to come home? Or simply that she had run away, was safe, and was going to try to continue life on her own?

If she was trying to come home, foul play is a more obvious scenario than her starting a new life somewhere.

[HeartofTexas]

Azure, right now I don't know the content of any of the letters. The SIL is going to type them up so she can send them to me. So far my information on this case is pretty sketchy but, as questions come up, I email the SIL and she's been really good about supplying me answers.

This all started with me finding Rose's picture when she was about 2-3 years old (on my quest to find the identity of Sharon Marshall or Delia Cly) and turned out to be a missing teenager case instead. The fact that Synanon is involved does not bode well for this case, but I really appreciate everyone's interest and research.

[mysteriew]

The last letter that Rose wrote to her family....is it known where it was sent from?

[HeartofTexas]

The last letter that Rose wrote to her family....is it known where it was sent from?

The SIL that has been emailing me said she only had the envelope from one of the letters mailed from Synanon. From what I'm gathering, Rose's father was the one who had all of this information. When he died, the rest of the family finally had a chance to look through it. But, to answer your question, there were no envelopes with the letters after she left Synanon.

Also, I just got another email from the SIL, and she said that Rose was not a bad kid at all. She experimented with drugs and got caught and had to appear before a Judge. The Judge is the one who ordered her into drug treatment at Synanon. Amazing that a Judge would send her all the way from Flint, Michigan to California for drug treatment.

[Shadow205]

Heartoftexas,

Does the SIL know where Rose was writting from in the last letter? Was she still in California? IS there a postmark on the envelope if she still has it?

That last letter was in December 1972 and SIL said it was written on her 16th birthday. The Rose that Shadowangel found graduated from a high school in NE in June 1973. Just trying to fiqure out where she was in December. That is a rather odd name. I think that it needs to be checked closer for a possible match.

[HeartofTexas]

I don't have an exact answer for your question re the envelope, Shadow, but I can pretty easily guess the envelope is from Oakland, CA, since that's the Synanon treatment center she was in, and the only envelope the SIL has is for one mailed while Rose was in Synanon.

I would love for the person who graduated from H.S. in 1973 in NE to be this Rose. However, she would have only been 16 years old (having turned 16 just 6 mos. prior, in December of 1972), would have just run away from Synanon in California, would have moved from California to Nebraska, and would apparently have condensed at least 2 years of high school into a short 6 months. It's possible it was her.. and the identical name certainly alludes to it being her... but the facts just don't seem to add up.

[Shadow205]

I would love to figure out a way to get into this website.

Welcome to the Synanon websiteThis is a site for former Synanon residents only. Please respect our privacy.

If you are a former Synanon resident we'd love to have you on the site. We have 1418 former residents already listed on the site, most with email addresses and parts of their personal stories. We have 2358 pictures of people, places, and things from Synanon's earliest days up through pictures as we are today. In addition we have links to personal and business websites, poetry, extended stories, Synanon history, email lists, etc. Registering will allow you to see all this and upload pictures, update your personal listing and see all our email addresses.

http://www.synanon.org/Synanon/MemberApply2.cfm

[HeartofTexas]

There are at least 3 of us now that have found that site and wanted to get in! They make you describe some things only a Synanon member would know about before they'll let you in, too. Weird cult.

[azure]

Ooh, if someone figures out a way to get in, PM me and tell me how you did it. I really want to see what's inside!

Kelly

[azure]

Okay, I know I've been posting on this too much, but I did find this in the Wikipedia article about Synanon:

Children assigned to Synanon began to run away, helped by an "underground railroad" that sought to return them to their parents.

Maybe the underground railroad placed her in Nebraska instead?

Kelly

[HeartofTexas]

Azure, never say you're posting too much! Every idea is worth considering and looking at. This girl has been missing for almost 36 years, so no idea should be dismissed. Did the article you found the info re the underground railroad mention what years it was active?

[HeartofTexas]

The treatment efforts provided legitimacy, and juveniles were often sent to Synanon by the courts.
Unbelievable that Judges would send juveniles to a place they knew so little about.

http://synanon.biography.ms/

[Shadow205]

I don't have an exact answer for your question re the envelope, Shadow, but I can pretty easily guess the envelope is from Oakland, CA, since that's the Synanon treatment center she was in, and the only envelope the SIL has is for one mailed while Rose was in Synanon.

I would love for the person who graduated from H.S. in 1973 in NE to be this Rose. However, she would have only been 16 years old (having turned 16 just 6 mos. prior, in December of 1972), would have just run away from Synanon in California, would have moved from California to Nebraska, and would apparently have condensed at least 2 years of high school into a short 6 months. It's possible it was her.. and the identical name certainly alludes to it being her... but the facts just don't seem to add up.I found this article about a girl who grew up in synanon. It might make how Rose(if that was her) was able to finish high school at such an early agemore believable.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/synanon/synanon2.html

"I went into the high school when I was about 12 and a half. They wanted to make sure we knew about the outside world, so every student in high school had to have a subscription to Time magazine and each week we had to read it cover to cover as part of our curriculum."

[azure]

The article said around 1974, when Synanon became a "church". But it seems plausible that it could have happened earlier.

I also saw references to a farmer who lived next to the Synanon facility in '78 (and possibly earlier, it doesn't say), who was beaten by Synanon members for helping children run away from Synanon and reuniting them with their parents.

So it looks VERY possible that Rose could have ran away from Synanon. What happened to her afterwards is anyone's guess--is there any contact info for the Rose Leanna Cole who graduated in NE?

Kelly

[HeartofTexas]

I've been trying to "break into" the Synanon site. LOL! All I've accomplished so far is getting some of the topics they discuss inside the site:

HomePlace Email Me (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Email.cfm?Subject=Synanon)
Popsheet (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Popsheet.cfm)
School (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Popsheet.cfm?Go=school)
See what's New</B> (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/New.cfm)
Quotes (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Quotes.cfm)
Memorials (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Popsheet.cfm?Go=Memorials)
Search (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/searcher.cfm?Searchterms=)
Businesses (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Businesses.cfm)
TimeLine (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/TimeLine.cfm)
Links (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Links.cfm)
Words (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Lexicon.cfm)
Pictures (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Photos.cfm)
Stories (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Stories.cfm)
Poems (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/Poems.cfm)
Mailing List (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/MailingList.cfm)
Sign in (http://web.archive.org/web/20001206214300/http://www.synanon.org/UserSignIn.cfm)

[HeartofTexas]

The article said around 1974, when Synanon became a "church". But it seems plausible that it could have happened earlier.

I also saw references to a farmer who lived next to the Synanon facility in '78 (and possibly earlier, it doesn't say), who was beaten by Synanon members for helping children run away from Synanon and reuniting them with their parents.

So it looks VERY possible that Rose could have ran away from Synanon. What happened to her afterwards is anyone's guess--is there any contact info for the Rose Leanna Cole who graduated in NE?

Thanks for the info on when the underground railroad was used. I did read about the neighbor who was beaten. At least he lived.

Since the Rose Leanna Cole in Nebraska graduated in 1973, I'm guessing she' since married and changed her name. I tried to find the same info Shadowangel did, but can't. Some states have great marriage records online, but Nebraska doesn't seem to be one of them.

[Shadow205]

Just to clarify, I wasn't implying that the girl who went to high school at age 12 1/2 WAS Rose. I was trying to show that it could be done. I think that the way I wrote that last post was confusing. When I said (if it was her), I was refering to the girl by the name of Rose in Nebraska. I hope that I didn't confuse everyone even more by trying to explain what I was trying to say. whew...it's been a long day lol.:doh:

[HeartofTexas]

NO! You didn't further confuse us, Shadow. I knew exactly what you meant.

I just got an email from the SIL, and she has been inside the Synanon site and posted a picture of Rose some time back. She's searching for the password now to see if she can find it. I doubt it would still be good, though, since she was kicked off the site! I also just emailed the SIL to ask if anyone recognized Rose's picture.

BTW, the SIL is so appreciative that we are looking for her. She's never had any help before and she said tonight that this means so much to her family.

[HeartofTexas]

Here is what little information the SIL was able to get from other family members re a description of Rose:

No known birthmarks
Long Brown Hair
Green, olive eyes
Pretty tall (My husband is 6'3" and Pose is very tall too)

[Goody]

Rose Cole was born December 23, 1956 in Flint, Michigan. Rose's full name is Rose Leanna Cole, but her family says she rarely used her middle name.

In 1972, at the age of 15, she was sent to Synanon Foundation in Oakland, CA for some kind of addiction (I'm assuming drugs).

For those who aren't familiar with Synanon, it was an unscrupulous drug treatment center whose clients rarely had a chance to leave once they arrived. Rose ran away from Synanon some time in late 1972 and wrote two letters to her family after leaving Synanon. To quote her sister-in-law:

I have written the SIL requesting data on Rose's description. I have also asked her to re-type the letters, since I assume they might offer more details about her circumstances at Synanon.

I've checked death and marriage records in California, and death records in all states, and no Rose Cole shows up. Nor does she show up on any public records or phone book directory.

As her SIL stated, they have not heard from her since December of 1972. Rose would be 49 now, and would turn 50 this December.

Once additional information is received on Rose, I'll post it.
Oakland, California is a rough area.

[itsreenw]

Oakland, California is a rough area. Oakland CA has rough areas but the entire city unfortunately gets stereotyped.

I went to the library today to look at microfilm on the Synanon. I happened to talk to the librarian who knows a professor that wrote a book about the Synanon. I have his address and # and will be contacting him tomorrow.

[Shadow205]

Oakland CA has rough areas but the entire city unfortunately gets stereotyped.

I went to the library today to look at microfilm on the Synanon. I happened to talk to the librarian who knows a professor that wrote a book about the Synanon. I have his address and # and will be contacting him tomorrow.
Is this the book itreenw?

The Rise and Fall of Synanon : A California Utopia (Hardcover)
by Rod Janzen (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-exact=Rod%20Janzen&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/002-7228291-9664031) "During the second half of the twentieth century Synanon was one of the most successful and most innovative communal societies in the United States..."

[itsreenw]

Is this the book itreenw?

The Rise and Fall of Synanon : A California Utopia (Hardcover)
by Rod Janzen (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-exact=Rod%20Janzen&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/002-7228291-9664031) "During the second half of the twentieth century Synanon was one of the most successful and most innovative communal societies in the United States..." Yup!! That's the name of it. I actually wanted to find a book called "Escape from Utopia" but when I mentioned it to the librarian he seemed very familiar with Synanon. He also said Rose wasn't the only one that "ran away" and never made it back to the parents. He told me about his acquaintance, Rod that wrote a book about it. He pulled a card out and gave it to me with this man's email, mailing address and phone #. Small world. I am going to inquire about the # of people that are still unaccounted for. He said to also research the Pt. Reyes Light for more info.???

[Shadow205]

Yup!! That's the name of it. I actually wanted to find a book called "Escape from Utopia" but when I mentioned it to the librarian he seemed very familiar with Synanon. He also said Rose wasn't the only one that "ran away" and never made it back to the parents. He told me about his acquaintance, Rod that wrote a book about it. He pulled a card out and gave it to me with this man's email, mailing address and phone #. Small world. I am going to inquire about the # of people that are still unaccounted for. He said to also research the Pt. Reyes Light for more info.???
itsreenw,

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[HeartofTexas]

Great work, Itsreenw! It's amazing that the librarian knew the author of the book and was able to give you their email address. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that there were others who "escaped" but never made it home... but it does.

A weekly newspaper (sorry, forget the name) won a Pulitzer prize for their expose on Synanon. I'll see what I can find on that today.

[HeartofTexas]

He said to also research the Pt. Reyes Light for more info.???
Well, what do you know... the Pt. Reyes Light was the weekly newspaper that won the Pulitzer for its expose on Synanon. I knew I had seen the name somewhere yesterday when I was researching Synanon, but didn't remember it being the newspaper.

http://www.ptreyeslight.com/light.html

[HeartofTexas]

The original story by the Point Reyes Light was done April 16, 1979... don't know if the story is available on microfilm at a library or not, but it would be worth checking out. Here's a synopsis of their story:

http://www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/apr15_04/synanon_story.html

[HeartofTexas]

Apparently the Point Reyes Light is a community newspaper covering a few small towns in Marin County, CA. That's just across the bridge from San Fran. Surely one of the SF libraries would still have a copy of the story in their files?

[Goody]

The original story by the Point Reyes Light was done April 16, 1979... don't know if the story is available on microfilm at a library or not, but it would be worth checking out. Here's a synopsis of their story:

http://www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/apr15_04/synanon_story.html
Very interesting story.

I was living out there when this happened: Member Lance Kenton, son of band leader Stan Kenton, and another member named Joe Musico hid a 4.5-foot rattlesnake, whose warning rattles had been cut off, in Morantz’s mailbox. The snake bit the attorney when he reached for his mail, but a quick response by paramedics saved him.

Cults were springing up all over California at the time as I recall.

[Goody]

Oakland CA has rough areas but the entire city unfortunately gets stereotyped.


Have you read Chris Darden's book. He grew up in Oakland.

[HeartofTexas]

I lived in San Fran in 1975-76 myself, and remember it was a really weird time to be there. Patty Hearst was kidnapped, the SLA was setting fire to apartment buildings, etc. I remember reading in the newspaper (I think I was in Texas at the time) about the rattlesnake in the mailbox. As soon as I heard the name Synanon, I knew there was the potential for trouble in this case.

[Goody]

I lived in San Fran in 1975-76 myself, and remember it was a really weird time to be there. Patty Hearst was kidnapped, the SLA was setting fire to apartment buildings, etc. I remember reading in the newspaper (I think I was in Texas at the time) about the rattlesnake in the mailbox. As soon as I heard the name Synanon, I knew there was the potential for trouble in this case.
From the time of Charles Manson and the Spann ranch forward, it was weird times out west. When that rattlesnake thing hit the airwaves, I remember being afraid to open my mailbox. LOL! I mean, if the attys could not protect themselves......eerie!

[Goody]

Great work, Itsreenw! It's amazing that the librarian knew the author of the book and was able to give you their email address. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that there were others who "escaped" but never made it home... but it does.

A weekly newspaper (sorry, forget the name) won a Pulitzer prize for their expose on Synanon. I'll see what I can find on that today.
Have authorities any time over the years searched the grounds of this property for burial sites?

[HeartofTexas]

Have authorities any time over the years searched the grounds of this property for burial sites?
I was wondering the very same thing yesterday and even Googled to see if anything like that turned up, but the most I found was about beating up the neighbor who helped with the underground railroad and the lawyer with the snake in the mailbox.

[Goody]

I was wondering the very same thing yesterday and even Googled to see if anything like that turned up, but the most I found was about beating up the neighbor who helped with the underground railroad and the lawyer with the snake in the mailbox.
If they were killing people, I would expect them to dispose of the bodies on their own property to make sure they were never found by authorities.

[HeartofTexas]

If they were killing people, I would expect them to dispose of the bodies on their own property to make sure they were never found by authorities.
Agreed. I just can't find any place on the internet that says anyone checked the property for bodies. Itsreenw is trying to get to get a copy of an expose book on Synanon, and I'm hoping more details will be found. Also, they had several sites for the organization and they may have used one of the sites (possibly a more remote site) for burial.

[Goody]

Agreed. I just can't find any place on the internet that says anyone checked the property for bodies. Itsreenw is trying to get to get a copy of an expose book on Synanon, and I'm hoping more details will be found. Also, they had several sites for the organization and they may have used one of the sites (possibly a more remote site) for burial.
I don't think it will be documented by them as a burial site. They would most likely be hidden graves that would take a cadaver dog to find. Or maybe a plane flying overhead with special equipment. If the authorities never tried to search for such sites, it may never be known what is out there unless former members talk about it.

[itsreenw]

Have you read Chris Darden's book. He grew up in Oakland.no I haven't read his book but I suppose if he is referring to the mean streets of Oakland, it was followed up with his story of becoming a succesful lawyer-cliche. My half-sister lived there through out her teen and adult life. She was much older than me and I loved going to her house on the weekends, She and her husband had a beautiful tri level home not far from Lake Merritt. My ex hubby's sports agent lives in Oakland as does my dear friend Vangie. Do you recall the Oakland Hills fires some years back? That was in Oakland. There is nothing rough about those areas. There are multi million dollar homes and exclusive neighborhoods there just as there are housing projects. As I said, Oakland has areas I wouldn't leave my car windows rolled down or door unlocked and it does have a high crime rate but the entire city is NOT rough Goody. By the sounds of things, Rose was safer on the streets of Oakland than behind the walls at Synanon. This will be my last comment on Oakland. :twocents: :silenced:

[itsreenw]

Agreed. I just can't find any place on the internet that says anyone checked the property for bodies. Itsreenw is trying to get to get a copy of an expose book on Synanon, and I'm hoping more details will be found. Also, they had several sites for the organization and they may have used one of the sites (possibly a more remote site) for burial.I emailed Mr. Janzen-waiting for a reply. I also got the email from Rose's sil, thanx. I gave her a list of questions to reply to, with her permission I will post what I find from the info. Did I mention I emailed the mod of the Synanon site asking permission to access it because i was looking for a missing girl!! I emailed him before I even knew what kind of place this was?? He didn't reply and I will not be checking my mail box without first jabbing the inside with a long stick:D

[Shadow205]

First name(s) you used when you were in Synanon:
Last name(s) you used when you were in Synanon:
http://www.synanon.org/Synanon/MemberApply3.cfm

We need to find out what name(s), Rose might have used while living at synanon. If you did manage to run away from there, she might have continued to use that name. The above is from the application to the site.

itsreenw, you made me laugh with that one!

" I will not be checking my mail box without first jabbing the inside with a long stickhttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif "

[HeartofTexas]

" I will not be checking my mail box without first jabbing the inside with a long stick"
LOL Itsreenw! I know the feeling. Rose's SIL was looking for her password to the Synanon site the other nite, but I haven't heard back from her since then. I doubt it will still be good anyway since she says she was kicked off of their site. It sounds like the SIL did everything she could to locate Rose via the internet.

[Shadow205]

I joined a cult education forum this morning which seems to be very active. I posted a request for anyone who may have been a resident of the synanon foundation to contact me. Maybe we'll get lucky!

[HeartofTexas]

I joined a cult education forum this morning
LOL! We're certainly expanding our base of knowledge on this case, aren't we! Thanks for doing that, Shadow. Hopefully we'll learn some things about what went on there. If it ever seems opportune, ask them if they knew anything about any killings in Synanon, or what they did to the kids who tried unsuccessfully to run away.

[HeartofTexas]

I received an email from the SIL today. She typed up the gist of what Rose said in her final letter. I'm going to copy it just as it was sent to me. It's a little confusing because of the various family members' names who are mentioned.


Here is Rose's last letter. I tried to preserve her writing style, meaning every comma, and hard space. But gave up after a while.

Letter details:

It was written on her birthday Dec 23, 1972 but mailed Feb 3, 1973 because she didn't have a stamp
A year has passed since she left to California
She describes her life in living in the streets
She can sleep ~ nightmares
Her letters have not been answered, this one is address to her Mom, the other ones where to her siblings
She talks about a baby. Billy had a baby at 19 with his girlfriend at the time~ not married ~ a lot of stress around that at home (Billy the oldest child, step brother ~ everyone including my husband loves BIlly best ~ he stood up to his stepfather Jesse Joseph and protected the other kids from bullies at school ~
Norma and Opal are the youngest ones, when the judge sentenced her, he said that he couldn't sent her home because there were two small kids (Pose & Norma) that she would put at risk
She asks for Norma's forgiveness (maybe from the letter to Pose)
She doesn't like her looks, she feels she looks like her real Mom, Willie
she talks about poor and rich people, it may be a stretch but maybe people with money ~ able to pay for prostitution?????
She want to be love, and feels guilt which is normal under the circumstances but she talks very nicely about her Dad. I find that strange! Given the fact he is the only one with access to the letters, maybe he had a heart after all.
This is a stretch but he might have contacted her after this or any other available letters that we don't know about to appear in court in Michigan.

I am a very slow typer ~ I really suck at it ~ Next letter coming up!

]

[annemc2]

I did a little poking around (wishing all the while that I was a genuis hacker) to try to find something that would let us into the Synanon website. Didn't find anything but did end up on www.alumninow.com and www.classmates.com. I didn't fill out the profile on the alumninow site but there were some search hits for Synanon School. On the Classmates site there were five hits, one of which looked particularly interesting. This guy, C.H. said " 1968 disappeared into Synanon (you know why); was private investigator for 15 years;" - to read the rest you have to have a gold membership, and I know some of you guys have access. ;) Anyone want to check it out and see if he could/would be of any help? I'm too much of a wuss to try it! :chicken:

[azure]

I'm confused, there have been many references to "Pose", is this a sibling or a nickname for Rose?

Does the letter say where she was at the time? Also, do we have any idea why Rose ended up at Synanon? The letter makes reference to a sentencing, was this for drugs? Can we assume that Rose was living on the streets somewhere at the time the letter was sent, possibly doing drugs or working as a prostitute?

Kelly

[HeartofTexas]

I'm confused, there have been many references to "Pose", is this a sibling or a nickname for Rose?

Does the letter say where she was at the time? Also, do we have any idea why Rose ended up at Synanon? The letter makes reference to a sentencing, was this for drugs? Can we assume that Rose was living on the streets somewhere at the time the letter was sent, possibly doing drugs or working as a prostitute?


Pose was a brother (there were 3 siblings... Pose, Jesse and Rose). There were also some step siblings.

I don't believe the letter says where she was.

I covered why Rose ended up at Synanon in a previous post but basically she was caught doing drugs at age 15, and the Judge sentenced her to a stay at Synanon. Those would be the same papers referenced above.

I don't believe the SIL knows for certain if Rose was doing prostitution to survive. And it does seem like she may have been living on the streets. Right now I don't know a whole lot more than anyone else does. About the only thing I know is other family member's names, which I plan to post later on this evening.

[Shadow205]

HoT, was Rose originally from Flint,MI.? I found a Rose Cole registered at Class Mates who attented Junior High School in Flint, MI. I have sent that Rose an email and waiting for a reply.

[Goody]

I joined a cult education forum this morning which seems to be very active. I posted a request for anyone who may have been a resident of the synanon foundation to contact me. Maybe we'll get lucky!
That sounds interesting. I know you will keep us posted. I am intrigued.

[HeartofTexas]

HoT, was Rose originally from Flint,MI.? I found a Rose Cole registered at Class Mates who attented Junior High School in Flint, MI. I have sent that Rose an email and waiting for a reply.
Shadow, you sent the message to Rose's SIL Yannette, the one I'm emailing! LOL! She just emailed me the following:

Today I got an e-mail from XXXXXXXXX from Pineville High School asking me if I had a brother called Pose and a sister called Norma. (http://group.classmates.com/cmo/user/school/list.jsp?startYear=1968&communityId=15350&role=Student&endYear=1972)

And yes, Rose was originally from Flint, Michigan. Sorry you weren't really contacting Rose... but I appreciate your efforts a lot! Yannette will probably answer you. At first I told her I didn't think it was one of our posters but, after reading your post, I just emailed her back and said I thought it was.

[itsreenw]

Decided to take a break from my adoption search. I'm getting frustrated. This should be an easy one-I have all the info- but I can't get into the WA birth registry. If anyone has access can you PLEASE PM me.

I figured I'd take a time out and come see what the 'ol gang is doing here and to let y'all know that I got an email back from Rod Janzen. He gave me the phone # of Sue Richardson who was a teacher at Synanon, Oakland. I will call her Monday during business hours. Maybe she can tell us a little about Rose's activities at Synanon.

Ya know, it is so odd that a juvenile would be sent clear across the country to a drug program. I wonder if judges were being paid off to send wayward kids there.

HoT, was Rose originally from Flint,MI.? I found a Rose Cole registered at Class Mates who attented Junior High School in Flint, MI. I have sent that Rose an email and waiting for a reply.
Shadow, I know this was addressed to HoT, but I saw it and got totally excited!! Yes, she was from Flint, MI. Sorry for answering for you HoT.

HoT, did SIL say why she got kicked off the site?? Did she pose as Rose? How'd she get on in the 1st place? I'm game to try it if she tells me what to say to get in.

[HeartofTexas]

He gave me the phone # of Sue Richardson who was a teacher at Synanon, Oakland. I will call her Monday during business hours. Maybe she can tell us a little about Rose's activities at Synanon.


That's great news... can't wait to hear what you find out.

I guess by now you've read my response to Shadow... he was writing to Yannette, and not Rose.

No, the SIL didn't say why she got kicked off. Not sure if she posed as Rose. Someone gave her the password, and she used it to gain entry.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, I just got an email from Yannette and she said to tell you this:

Just let them know is just me under Rose's name

So I don't believe she'll be answering you after all. Again, I'm sorry for the confusion, and I think it's wonderful that you even found her listed under Classmates.com. I'm just sorry it wasn't her.

[Shadow205]

Shadow, you sent the message to Rose's SIL Yannette, the one I'm emailing! LOL! She just emailed me the following:


And yes, Rose was originally from Flint, Michigan. Sorry you weren't really contacting Rose... but I appreciate your efforts a lot! Yannette will probably answer you. At first I told her I didn't think it was one of our posters but, after reading your post, I just emailed her back and said I thought it was.
HoT,
Darn!!!! I thought I might have found something!

Goody,
There have been quite of few people reading my post but so far noone has answered.

Itsreenw,
Don't feel bad, I got all excited too!

[HeartofTexas]

I got an email from Yannette today and here are a few excerpts from it:

I read all the posting in the forum regarding Rose. Please let them know that we are very grateful to have so many people trying to find Rose.

The wife of the author of either the book or the newspaper gave me the secret code to enter the site. She was very nice and kind when I talked to her a few years ago. Sorry I don't have notes on this; I was so excited to get the code that I just type it directly into the computer. I then posted her picture and checked in often until I got kicked out.

[HeartofTexas]

From Yannette's email:

For the person who is going to talk to a Synanon teacher here are a couple of clues about the time Rose was there:



She visited a ranch in Tomales Bay. She describes the place as beautiful and peaceful. She also called it a Boot Camp. She was interviewed to be sent to live there but only wanted to visit. She lived at the Center.

Rose and a girl named Ruth were the youngest ones in Oct 15, 1972. They visited the ranch together.

Fall of 1972. William "Buckwheat" Thomas from the Little Rascals visited the Center. She makes reference to this in another letter. Buckwheat dedicated most of his life to help kids on drugs around the CA area.

[itsreenw]

From Yannette's email:

For the person who is going to talk to a Synanon teacher here are a couple of clues about the time Rose was there:Thanks for that info. If anyone has questions they'd like me to ask the teacher tomorrow please post here or PM me. Later this evening I'll do a complied post with all the questions I intend to ask so we can see if anything''s left out. I don't know how receptive she'll be to the call so I want to ask what I can while I have her on the line.

On the Synanon site, it asks for any names you used while you were there. I haven't read anything that said they used aliases. I am determined to get into that site. I found a blog of Syn & Straight kids but none from Oakland. There were MANY suicides of teens that left the facities all over the country. It made me think of the post on the Anna Waters thread that said there was a rash of suicides at the local high school during that time.

[Shadow205]

I'm sorry if this has already been asked/answered but do we have a picture of Rose somewhere?

[Shadow205]

A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, I thought I posted the two pix of Rose in this forum but I may not have. I'll have to go back to Sharon's thread and retrieve them. The last picture of her is undated... she appears to be anywhere from 10-14 in the picture, but it may well be a picture of her before she left for Synanon at age 15.

The biggest clue in the Jane Doe you referenced is the tongue thrusting. Tongue thrusting is normally hereditary so it's possible one of the siblings has it, too.

[HeartofTexas]

Here's the only other picture of her that I've seen (the first picture was of Rose when she was about 2-3 years old). As I said above, this one appears to be anywhere from 10-14 years old.

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/o/l/Yannette-Cole/PHOTO/0025photo.html

[tompettyfan]

The original story by the Point Reyes Light was done April 16, 1979... don't know if the story is available on microfilm at a library or not, but it would be worth checking out. Here's a synopsis of their story:

http://www.ptreyeslight.com/stories/apr15_04/synanon_story.html
Member Lance Kenton, son of band leader Stan Kenton, and another member named Joe Musico hid a 4.5-foot rattlesnake, whose warning rattles had been cut off, in Morantz’s mailbox.
On the homepage of that website, I noticed in the "names you might recognize" a Lance was listed. My curiosity is killing me..really would like to snoop around in there.

[gardenmom]

A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.
I can see a similarity. We need to find out when the last correspondence with her family was. A picture that would have been current around the time she went missing would be nice too. Can her sister provide one?

[Shadow205]

A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.
If you clink on the link http://www.western-project.com/svenson/sve_img.html it will bring up this picture. I can see some likeness with Rose.

http://www.western-project.com/clips/sveclips/Portrait01.jpg

This is amazing what this man Arne Svenson
has done with these recontructions.
<snip> from the article

Svenson: "I wanted them to be looking at us as if they're saying, 'Find me,' and also as if they're looking at their killer."

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, you may be on to something. I wrote Yannette last night to ask how old Rose was in the picture above, and she said she was 14, and that it was the last picture they had of her (she left for Synanon at age 15 and turned 16 on December 23 of that year... 1972).

In response to my question on whether anyone else in the family might have "tongue thrusting", here is what Yannette responded:


What's up with the "tongue thrusting" question? Willie had terrible teeth like the first picture in this link http://www.braceface.com/Oralhabit.htm (http://www.braceface.com/Oralhabit.htm)

Jesse had a lot of oral surgeries while at the service. His teeth where just like Willie, Little Jesse, our son, has the same issues. In the initial visit to the orthodontist "tongue thrusting" was explained to us.

I will ask Jesse in the morning but I am almost certain the answer is yes. Why? Did you find a Jane Doe?
Gardenmon, the last correspondence from Rose was written on her birthday (December 23, 1972) but not mailed until February of 1973 because she didn't have a stamp. That's the last time anyone heard from her.

[Shadow205]

HeartofTexas, I have a couple of questions if you can try and get the answers from the SIL.

Can she find out the age of Rose in that picture?
It appears to be a school picture. Was it the last year she attended school before going to Synanon. If not, then what school was she attending before leaving for Synanon. Maybe we can get a more updated picture from the school.

When Rose wrote to the family saying that she had ranway from Synanon. Did the family report her as a runaway or missing? At any point, did the family make any type of report with LE?

Did the family always live in Flint, MI and do they still? Are the parents still living?

Sorry for all of the questions.

[Shadow205]

HoT,

I was typing my last post when you posted that. Sorry for the duplicate questions. I think that we might be on to something with this Jane Doe.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, the mother and father are both deceased. Rose never had much of a relationship with her real mother (Willie Mae) after her parents divorced when they were very young. The father remarried a woman named Opal, who became Rose's stepmom (she also later divorced the father but not for a good number of years). Nobody in the family saw the letters from Rose until after the father's death, so I doubt she was ever reported as a runaway. To my knowledge, the only person who has ever tried to locate Rose is the SIL Yannette.

The family did live in Flint, MI. I know the SIL does not live there.. and I know the siblings all live in different states now (there were originally 3 siblings in the family... Pose, Jesse, and Rose... but then the father adopted Opal's 3 kids who were Billy, Brenda and Norma).

The father died in 1991.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow... two things that concern me. Rose's hair was brown and doesn't appear to be too wavy in her last picture (Doe mentions blonde to light brown hair and wavy). Also, the Doe report says blue eyes, and the SIL said she had green/hazel eyes. Not sure how much importance to place on these discrepancies but thought I would mention them.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, to answer your earlier question, I'm assuming after reading the following that she went to Emerson Junior High.

Yannette emailed me this just a few minutes ago:

From:
Barbara (view profile)
To:
Rose Cole
Sent:
March 27, 2006 09:04:07 AM Subject:
RE: Looking for Rose Cole


Jesse-

Hi- I knew Rose at Emerson and I liked her so very
much. When I got to Northern I just assumed the
reason I hadn't seen her was because we weren't in any
classes together.

I have lived in Oregon since 1977 and have kept in
touch with some of the people I went to school with at
Northern . . . even fewer from Emerson but none the
less I will try and contact them about Rose.

Please let me know if there is anything you think I
might be able to do to help and I would be very
interested in knowing your progress. She and your
family will be in my prayers.

-Barbara -

[Richard]

What was her family's address in Flint, Michigan? What Jr. High School and High Schools did she attend?

I lived in Flint during my Junior High Days and later came back to teach in one of the Flint High Schools in January 1972. I have also been to Oakland, CA in the mid 1970's. Where was this cult located?

[Shadow205]

Richard,

Rose attended Emerson Jr. High in Flint, MI. She never made it to high school. She was sent to Synanon when she was 15.

I found this for one of the Synanon locations:

The Club Casa del Mar, a large beachside 1926 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926) hotel in Santa Monica, was purchased and used as a headquarters and dormitory for drug treatment. Children were reared communally in the Synanon School, and juveniles were often sent to Synanon by the courts.

more on Synanon
Beginning in 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974) the authorities began to question Synanon's promises and practices. The concept of "lifetime rehabilitation" did not agree with therapeutic norms, and it was alleged that the group was running an unauthorized medical clinic, and that on remote properties in California such as Tomales Bay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomales_Bay) in Marin County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County%2C_California) and Badger, Tulare County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger%2C_Tulare_County%2C_California), the organization had built unpermitted buildings, a trash dump, and an airstrip. Tax issues came up. To dodge these accusations Dederich declared that Synanon was a tax exempt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_exemption) religious organization, the "Church of Synanon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon

[gardenmom]

Shadow... two things that concern me. Rose's hair was brown and doesn't appear to be too wavy in her last picture (Doe mentions blonde to light brown hair and wavy). Also, the Doe report says blue eyes, and the SIL said she had green/hazel eyes. Not sure how much importance to place on these discrepancies but thought I would mention them.
This is gross, but if someone's face was burned beyond recognition, then wouldn't the eyes burn as well? Maybe the took a good guess based on what was left to see. As far as the hair goes, maybe Rose was naturally curly. After all, in the 70's long straight hair was desirable, whereas in the late 70's the Farra Fawcett look was more popular. Of course, we can make just about anything "fit", but I do see a resemblence.

[gardenmom]

Decided to take a break from my adoption search. I'm getting frustrated. This should be an easy one-I have all the info- but I can't get into the WA birth registry. If anyone has access can you PLEASE PM me.

I figured I'd take a time out and come see what the 'ol gang is doing here and to let y'all know that I got an email back from Rod Janzen. He gave me the phone # of Sue Richardson who was a teacher at Synanon, Oakland. I will call her Monday during business hours. Maybe she can tell us a little about Rose's activities at Synanon.

Ya know, it is so odd that a juvenile would be sent clear across the country to a drug program. I wonder if judges were being paid off to send wayward kids there.


Shadow, I know this was addressed to HoT, but I saw it and got totally excited!! Yes, she was from Flint, MI. Sorry for answering for you HoT.

HoT, did SIL say why she got kicked off the site?? Did she pose as Rose? How'd she get on in the 1st place? I'm game to try it if she tells me what to say to get in.
Did you have your meeting today?

[gardenmom]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/gardenmom/324UFCA3.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/gardenmom/0025photo.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/gardenmom/324UFCA.jpg

Middle picture Rose Cole, age 14. Bookend pictures are of Jane Doe.

Jane Doe:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

[itsreenw]

Did you have your meeting today?Just spoke with Sue Richardson. Interesting is the best I can say. She said she was the teacher at Synanon Oakland in 1972 and didn't recall Rose at all. She said they didn't have any one Rose's age at that time. I mentioned Rose's visit to Tomales Bay and said that a girl named Ruth was with her on the trip. Her 1st question was 'well why did her mother just now start looking for her?" I explained that it was the sil, and broke it all down for her and said 'so here we are today and a group of concerned people are trying to help her family find out what happened to her.

I tried to ask if she would have been using another name for some reason and she talked right over that.

She would start to say something then stop. Part of what I grasped was:
Her husband was the president of some area at Synanon. He died 2 yrs ago. She spoke of John that founded Delancey Street in San Francisco. It's the bigwig of drug rehab facilities in Northern CA. I guess she was going to say they would know more but they are both dead. She started several sentences and didn't finish them. She didn't stutter but seemed to have random thoughts.

First she said there were no kids there that age. Then she said none without parents living there or without parental consent. I told her Rose was sent there by the courts in Flint MI for an alleged drug violation. She said that if a person would have run away that was sent there by the courts they simply would've contacted the court to put out a warrant and not pursued it any further. She added "who knows, the girl may have overdosed or something'.

She seems to still believe in Synanon. She certainly didn't let on to the fact that Rose may have met an untimely death at the hands of SynFnd heavies.

She did, however, volunteer to put a post on that site nobody can get into. She wanted me to get as much info as I could, including pics as close to 1972 as possible and send everything to her in an email. She said she will post it there and let me know if there are any replies.
I don't know if I want to use my email address. I'm skeptical.

[Dr. Doogie]

She did, however, volunteer to put a post on that site nobody can get into. She wanted me to get as much info as I could, including pics as close to 1972 as possible and send everything to her in an email. She said she will post it there and let me know if there are any replies.
I don't know if I want to use my email address. I'm skeptical.
Good work, Itsreenw! I would open an email address at one of the freebie sites with minimal personal info. I wouldn't trust these guys for one moment - even if they are blameless in Rose's disappearance, they certainly are paranoid enough to create troubles for you if they think that they are being threatened in any way.

[itsreenw]

I found a Rose Cole on the SS death index. Her birthday is listed as 4-23-56 instead of 12-23-56 that died in 1998. I PM'd the ss# to HoT to verify the # with the family.

[HeartofTexas]

Itsreenw, great work! I feel your pain talking to that woman and feel like you probably wanted to jerk her teeth right out of her mouth! I felt so angry reading that they didn't have anyone there that young. OH YES YOU DID! Poor Rose should never have been sent to a place like that. It's too sad for words.

Itsreenw, you need to delete some PM's so I can get mine through to you!

[itsreenw]

Itsreenw, great work! I feel your pain talking to that woman and feel like you probably wanted to jerk her teeth right out of her mouth! I felt so angry reading that they didn't have anyone there that young. OH YES YOU DID! Poor Rose should never have been sent to a place like that. It's too sad for words.

Itsreenw, you need to delete some PM's so I can get mine through to you!Yeah, you are so right. I had to bite my tongue. I have a hard time NOT speaking my mind. It was bad enough that she lied about no teens there. That's why I threw Ruth's name in her face. We know there were at least two and if there were two there were more.

When she said "so why did her mother just now start looking for her" I wanted to let her have it. But I didn't think that would get me the answers we need. Still didn't but maybe we will get a reply or 2 from that site. Did the sil say if the site seemed pro-Synanon?

Cleared my PM's-I'll be looking for yours.

[shadowangel]

I took a quick look in my files for UIDs from the Bay area in '73 to '75...I found four in just a quick look. These are girls I couldn't find elsewhere, and could not find anything in print stating they had been ID'd.

Are there any approximate vitals on Rose (height, weight)? Is the family considering filing a new missing persons' report and getting Rose on Doe Network or Charley Project?

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, I believe her height was 5'3" and I don't think they knew her weight. I'm working from memory here, so I could be wrong. I posted the information as it was sent to me from the SIL elsewhere on these 4 pages and will try to find it to verify this.

I've suggested that the SIL register Rose with the Missingkids site, and sent her the url, etc., but don't know if she's done it yet or intends to do it.

I really look forward to hearing about your 4 UID's from the Bay Area. Keep in mind that the last time Rose was heard from it was in the Oakland area of California. That doesn't mean she didn't go to SF, however.

[HeartofTexas]

IMPORTANT NOTE!

The stepmothe (Opal) found Rose's birth certificate and her correct name is NOT Rose Leanna Cole but instead is ROSE LENA COLE.

[HeartofTexas]

Here are some important dates that the SIL has written up:

April 1, 1971 Rose ran away, she was found and released to stepmother's custody (Flint, MI)
April 2, 1971 Court Date (Flint, MI)
April 21, 1971 Rose was assigned a parole officer (Lois Sullivan)
??? Rose continued to get in trouble and sentenced to the Synanon in Oakland, CA
Oct 15, 1972 First letter from the Synanon
Nov 17, 1972 Second letter from the Synanon
Dec 15, 1972 Third letter - She indicated that she had run away from the Synanon
Dec 23, 1972 Wrote Fourth letter - copy of letter below - Her 16th Birthday
Feb 3, 1973 Mailed fourth letter - "Sorry but I just got a stamp!", she wrote.
Jan 4th 1974 Petition to the court of Michigan was granted to drop all charges, she was 17

I think the copy of the letter referenced above is a scan of the letter, so I probably won't be able to copy it. I'll post it here if I can.

[HeartofTexas]

There is a new picture of Rose where she looks older than the one where the SIL said she was 14 that is on a new Yahoo 360 blog that the SIL just started tonight. At present I think you have to be invited to view the blog, but I've emailed the SIL to see what the situation is. I haven't heard back from her yet.

So far the letter referenced in the previous post has not shown up on the Blog but the SIL told me the other day that she was going to have it scanned. If I see it, I'll let everyone know.

[HeartofTexas]

Okay, here's the letter. It's very long and very sad and I doubt it's going to fit in one post. Here goes...

3:00 AM December 23, 1972

[It’s almost been a whole stinking, lousy year!]


[Sorry but I just got a stamp! ~ Feb 3, 1973]



Dear Mom,

I love you, oh mom what am I going to do! I can’t sleep no more at nites, I wake up from dreams, that leaves me frights.

I dream of you, and Daddy and Billy and Pose, and Jesse and Norma, I know its weird and sounds silly! I dream of being home, but wake up, and what happens, I’m all alone!

I am so scare out here,
I don’t like the atmosphere!
I walk the streets,
Oh God, if you knew the people I met.
Mom, I wanna come home,
Please understand, please!

If I thought you loved me, it would
put me being uptight, to ease!
Mom, I don’t know what to do!
All I can think of is you!
Mom, have you ever been lonely,
didn’t have no family to go to,
because they all hate you! Walk
streets, wondering what street to
take, know you don’t care, because
at least you’ll be going
somewhere, and whatever street
what difference does it makes.

I listen to different songs,
most make me feel like I don’t
belong. I feel so sad and blue,
I just want to make you guys
love me, as much as I love
you. I wish I could make you
see. Love me! Please, Mom,
Please love me! Oh God
love me, love me! please
love me! I can even go
to sleep at nites no-more. I
dream of one time, I was
walking down the street with my
suitcases, and Jesse and James
Hamilton was getting ready to
Get on the bus to Michigan and
I saw him, and I dropped my
suitcase, and I was so happy to
see him, and was crying, and
ran up to just hug him, and
I yelled Jesse, and he turned
Around and saw me, and I
Was getting ready to hug him, and
He said I hate you, Rose , I
hate your guts. He said don’t
ever come home again,
you’ve caused enough trouble,
and we all hate your guts so much,
we don’t ever want to here from you.

Then he got on the bus and looked
out the window, and I just stare at
him, and cried so hard, I didn’t think
I had anymore tears, and he just sat at
the window and cracked up laughing,
then mudged James and said something,
and James and Jesse waved there hand,
like get away you no – good Brad, and
they laughed and laughed.



I have a lot dream of the baby. I dream
of playing with him. I dreamed one time,
that I have to come home and Daddy was
the only one there, you guys was at Billy’s
and me and Daddy hugged, and kiss and stuff.
I was so glad to see him, and he took me where
you guys were at and I couldn’t wait to get inside.


I got out of the car and ran inside, and Pose was
looking out the door, and he opened it, and said
Rose you’re home finally, and we hugged and
Pose yelled, Rose is home and you came running
out and we hugged and hugged and we cried. And
then Norma came and said Rose I missed you so
much, I can’t wait to call Claire, and we hugged,
and then I said where’s Billy, because he’s who I
wanted to see so much. And you said he went to
pick up the baby, so then sat, and I never, felt so
good in my life, never. To bad it was only a dream.


Too bad, then I heard the car outside. I looked
out the window, and I saw Billy carry a big fat
baby in a bunch of blankets, then I don’t know
why but I was so happy, I mean righteously happy,
tears just poured and poured, and then I ran to the
door, and you said, Rose, take it easy, sit down in
the kitchen, and don’t let him know you’re here.
He came in and took the baby and said where’s Rose?
I ran to him and hugged and he said your finally home.
I didn’t want to let go and I heard the baby cry. I reached
out to him and he wanted me. It was like he loved me
and as I held him he smiled. We had dinner and I
never wanted to leave. I love everyone so much.


I woke up and then I tried to get back to sleep. But it was gone, what I wouldn’t do to have another dream like that. Now all I ever dream is you guys laughing at me. If you guys hate me all I can say is I don’t blame you. I understand but I just want you to know I love you. I’m used to going off by myself and crying, and it’s not hard for me.

Here’s a poem for you.


Stars! Stars are bright,
Stars give off light.
Stars make your love scene bright.
Stars shine and look brand new.
They refuse to come out when the sky’s blue!
They must like the night black.
Must bring good memories back.
I love the stars.
They get attention even though they are so far.


With all my love, your daughter, R. L. C



It’s not much, I know, but it’s a little.
Mom I wish I could get you guys to love me.
Give a hoot, don’t pollute!


Today’s my birthday,
so what is all I can say.


I’m 16 but I’m the same sad and cold.


I’m to blame I look like I did before.


Like I got hit in the face with a door.


I walk like I did before inherited it, my Mom’s to blame.


I don’t yet have strength,

my feet have the same length.


My legs are long, my stomach’s in outer space.


They need to belong, same old neck and ears.


Lonely tears and I live the way it appears.


In this funky big atmosphere.


God why can’t anyone see I’m not living.


I’m dying.


There’s all kinds of people mean and cruel.


Too bad we can’t combine.


Understanding and kindness would keep you happy.


Never push you from behind.


Lonely people I respect,


I consider myself a lonely aspect.


Black and white wanting to fight.


High class trip disrespect.


Might consider themselves one of us.


Why can’t they make one more friend?


Here I am in here, feeling sad and blue.

Drinking water wondering what to do.


Feel the walls creep close to me?


They don’t want me to be.


I’m the only one there,


room’s full of chatter and laughter.


Why does it always have to happen to me?


Maybe it’s something in me that you see and hate.


Why can’t they see I want to be understood.


Push me away because I’m shy.


That’s what they think,


don’t understand why.


Rose Cole

[HeartofTexas]

Here's a legal document posted on the blog tonight. It's got me totally baffled. It says the child appeared in Court with their parent or guardian. Nobody in the family knows anything about this if it did happen. Remember that these papers were found in the father's possession after he died, if my understanding is correct.



Legal Document

Rose was charged as at age 14 for unlawfully running away from home



January 4th, 1974 Petition to Drop Charges
State of Michigan

Juvenile Division



The Probate Court County of Genesee



IN THE MATTER OF THE Rose Cole FILE # 47085



BIRTHDATE 12-23-1956 SCHOOL Emerson



ADDRESS 208 W. Jackson, Flint



At the session of said Court in the City of Flint on the 4th day of January, 1974.



PRESENT: HONORABLE EARL E. BORRADAILE Judge of Probate



WHEREAS: A petition has been filed for proceedings and disposition in accordance with the Juvenile Code, Chapter 712A of C.L. 1948, as amended, and upon investigation and hearing, upon due notice, as provided by said laws and said child appearing in Court with parent or guardian and from the evidence and admissions of said petition are true and that said child is subject to the power of this Court, which ORDERS, as follows:



ON THE COURT'S OWN MOTION, This matter be and the same is hereby dismissed.

IT IS SO ORDERED.





bh



EARL E. BORRADAILE

[gardenmom]

Here's a legal document posted on the blog tonight. It's got me totally baffled. It says the child appeared in Court with their parent or guardian. Nobody in the family knows anything about this if it did happen. Remember that these papers were found in the father's possession after he died, if my understanding is correct.
Where does it specifically say she was present?

BTW, her letter and poems were so sad. She didn't think anyone loved her.

[Stella]

That IS baffling! What was the name of the judge who sent Rose to Synanon in the first place?

[Goody]

IMPORTANT NOTE!

The stepmothe (Opal) found Rose's birth certificate and her correct name is NOT Rose Leanna Cole but instead is ROSE LENA COLE.
Where was her real mother? And were her letters to her real mom or her step mom? How did she feel about the stepmom?

[itsreenw]

Where does it specifically say she was present?

BTW, her letter and poems were so sad. She didn't think anyone loved her.
WHEREAS: A petition has been filed for proceedings and disposition in accordance with the Juvenile Code, Chapter 712A of C.L. 1948, as amended, and upon investigation and hearing, upon due notice, as provided by said laws and said child appearing in Court with parent or guardian and from the evidence and admissions of said petition are true and that said child is subject to the power of this Court, which ORDERS, as follows:


Just noticed something, when she wrote this letter on 12/23 it was AFTER she supposedly ran away on 12/15.

She starts the letter out by saying its almost been a year (I would assume that meant since she's been at Synanon)

then further down she writes:

Here I am in here, feeling sad and blue.

Drinking water wondering what to do.

Feel the walls creep close to me?

They don’t want me to be.

I’m the only one there,

room’s full of chatter and laughter.
IMO, She is not living on the streets when she wrote this.
I think Rose may have been a "hustler" for Synanon. The hustlers peddled goods on the streets to make money for Synanon. With Berkeley just a stone's throw away, and SF right over the Bay Bridge, she could've been anywhere working, walking and I can only imagine what acid trips she may have witnessed back then. Those people probably scared her to death

She put the time at 3am. What would've been open at that hour? Denny's?


I’m to blame I look like I did before.
Like I got hit in the face with a door.
I'm wondering if she tried to run away and got caught (she's to blame)
Looks like she got hit in the face with a door (oldest excuse in the book for a black eye)
She also references that she still doesnt have any strength and she's walking like her mother.

Still doesn't have strength?? Perhaps from a severe beating. Odd thing for a 16 yr old to say

[shadowangel]

Who is the baby she mentions? Was one of her siblings that much younger then her?

[Shadow205]

Here's a legal document posted on the blog tonight. It's got me totally baffled. It says the child appeared in Court with their parent or guardian. Nobody in the family knows anything about this if it did happen. Remember that these papers were found in the father's possession after he died, if my understanding is correct.
HoT,

It seems to me like the father had kept information from the rest of the family. If I remember correctly, you said that the letters were found in his possesions too? It seems from looking at that court document that Rose did appear in court in MI in 1974 along with her father.

Shadowangel,
I think that the baby mentioned was the child of her brother, Billy.

[HeartofTexas]

I believe the baby was one of her step-siblings (one of Opal's children by a previous marriage).

[HeartofTexas]

I'm repeating the vital statistics on Rose. Someone asked yesterday how tall Rose was and I said I thought 5'3", but I was wrong. Apparently they didn't know how tall Rose was at the time she disappeared:

No known birthmarks
Long Brown Hair
Green, olive eyes
Pretty tall (My husband is 6'3" and Pose is very tall too)

[HeartofTexas]

Here's everything I know about Rose's real mother (Willie Mae), other than she died in Texas a few years ago from breast cancer after marrying 7 more times:




They didn't know their real mother. Jesse Joseph divorce Willie Mae when the kids were little. I think Jesse was 2 or 3, so Rose was just a baby. Rose wanted to meet her real mom.



So all three of them were sent to Orange

[HeartofTexas]

I don't know what's wrong with the previous post that I can't copy the SIL's information but I'm going to try it again here, starting after the word "Orange" above. It shows up when I'm submitting the post but then after it appears on the forum, most of the words are missing. Grrrrrrr.



".... Texas over a Christmas break to meet Willie. The deal was the Cole's would pay for the ticket from MI and Willie would pay the returned ticket.

When the time came to return, Willie claimed not to have the money to send them back. So the Cole's sent tickets to TX for their return.

Once back in MI, Rose told Opal that Willie's husband had tried to do something to her (sexual). Once this happened Rose and Pose slept in the same room with a knife under their pillow. They also told them that Willie will take her other kids to eat out and leave the 3 of them in the house without food. Th! ey also told her that the house was a disaster zone.

My husband had told me about how they had to sit in the living room to watch the other kids open presents. While they were told that there was not enough money to get them anything. He told me this story years ago, so I always go crazy for his birthday and Christmas, making sure he gets a few gifts to open. But it wasn't until today after talking to Opal that I realize that the first time this happened was on this trip to

[HeartofTexas]

Well, I got more of the post done, but now I'll try to continue on after the words "trip to" above.

"... trip to Texas. Anyhow, Rose came back and things got bad. She started to use drugs. They found out because one night she didn't came home, so they call the police and went out to look for her. This was in 1971. So she end up in court under runaway charges not drugs.

[shadowangel]

Would the original court records of Rose being sentenced to rehab be available?

From what I read, its difficult to tell if Rose was present at the hearing or not...If this were a petition on her behalf to have the charges dropped/removed, I would think she did not have to be present herself. Court records of the hearing should reflect whether or not she was actually present, I would assume.

[HeartofTexas]

The SIL tried to obtain the records but was told the records were sealed because they were juvenile records.

[gardenmom]

The SIL tried to obtain the records but was told the records were sealed because they were juvenile records.
Did you find out whether or not they ever filed a missing persons report? It seems like its time. They need to know whether she attended that hearing. That puts her all the way across country from CA, so she could be anywhere.

[HeartofTexas]

Did you find out whether or not they ever filed a missing persons report?
No, but I just emailed the SIL and asked her directly if a missing person's report had ever been filed. Will let everyone know when I hear back from her.

[itsreenw]

No, but I just emailed the SIL and asked her directly if a missing person's report had ever been filed. Will let everyone know when I hear back from her. You might want to suggest that she contact the SSA to request SS # information, The Rose Cole that I found died in MI. I have to check and see where the # generated from. Without looking I think it started with 362 - I'll check in a few min and post it here

[HeartofTexas]

Itsreenw, did you see my post where I said her real name is Rose LENA Cole, and not Rose LEANA Cole?

[bykerladi]

HoT, if the SIL went to the chambers of the judge presiding over that last hearing, she might be able to get some sympathy from the court clerk who could check the records to see if rose actually appeared. Frankly, from working in the court system, the court document that you posted looks like a form document, which means that even though it says that the minor appeared, it is likely that she didn't.

Are LE involved at all? I think that LE would be able to obtain some of the sealed court records in the course of an investigation... (maybe I'm wrong on this)

[HeartofTexas]

Bykerladi, unfortunately the SIL lives in another state from where the hearing was held so it's not feasible for her to go to the Court. She has already called them and been turned down. I agree that going there in person would be very helpful.

[HeartofTexas]

I received an email this morning from the SIL re filing a missing persons report for Rose:

I filed a missing case report in Madison, WI this morning. Also, sent the
case number to Oakland PD to see if they can help out.

With the case number I called California Children Missing unit. Talked to
Maurin (who had suggested for me to call Madison PD). She took all my info
and someone is going to contact me.

I am going backwards here but what happened was that I went to the website
you recommended and decided to call the 800 number. I cannot add Rose to
their Database without a missing case number from a police department. She
gave the number for CA (1-800-222-3463). That's where I talked to Maurin;
she took my info and suggested I try to get a case number from Madison and
/or Oakland. I did and call her back; she added the number to the record.

[Shadow205]

That is good news about the missing person report. Which site is the SIL trying to get Rose listed on? HoT, did you say earlier that the SIL has a website for Rose now? If so, can you post a link?

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, here's the url for the website for Rose (it's a Yahoo 360 blog, whatever that means!)... I was invited, so I don't know if you have to be invited in order to view it. Hope not. I'd appreciate you doing a post on whether or not you're able to view the blog.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-6INKmI0oeqhPu8rlW9Hr0_5vBruoTei_3SWmS0TuDruGwQ--?cq=1&p=6&n=28500

I referred the SIL to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). Do you think that's the best one for her to start with?

[Shadow205]

HoT,

SIL might want to check out this web site that I fould this morning. Family members can submit their case. It looks pretty good.
http://wafmp.org/index.cfm

[Shadow205]

Shadow, here's the url for the website for Rose (it's a Yahoo 360 blog, whatever that means!)... I was invited, so I don't know if you have to be invited in order to view it. Hope not. I'd appreciate you doing a post on whether or not you're able to view the blog.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-6INKmI0oeqhPu8rlW9Hr0_5vBruoTei_3SWmS0TuDruGwQ--?cq=1&p=6&n=28500

I referred the SIL to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). Do you think that's the best one for her to start with?
HoT,
I was able to get into the site with the link that you posted. I did have to join the group in order to be able to post though. I noticed a different picture of Rose posted there. Do you know when that picture was taken? She looks older in it than in the 1st one posted.
I do think that SIL should try and get Rose listed at the NCMEC site along with any other sites that she can. The more the better IMO.

[HeartofTexas]

No, I don't know when that picture was taken. My guess is that the picture that the SIL originally said Rose was 14 in is actually a picture at about age 10-12, and the one you're seeing on the blog is actually 14-15. Just a guess, though.

I'll check out the new missing persons site you referenced... thanks, Shadow!

[HeartofTexas]

Great site, Shadow! I emailed the url to the SIL just now. Hopefully they will be able to offer her some suggestions and support on what else she can do and how to proceed. Thanks again!

[Shadow205]

No, I don't know when that picture was taken. My guess is that the picture that the SIL originally said Rose was 14 in is actually a picture at about age 10-12, and the one you're seeing on the blog is actually 14-15. Just a guess, though.

I'll check out the new missing persons site you referenced... thanks, Shadow!Here is the picture that we are refering to

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/mingle/43e419ddzb1549915/profile/__sr_/7a07.jpg?mgYmuKEBHu0MkIFF

Rose's hair appears to be more wavy in this picture. I remember that was something that was pointed out in the Jane Doe that I posted earlier. The Jane Doe had wavy hair and Rose's appeared to be straight in the younger picture.

[HeartofTexas]

Shadow, I couldn't get the picture to open for me. It could just be my PC.

[Shadow205]

http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/th_7a07.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/?action=view&current=7a07.jpg)

The other picture of Rose

[HeartofTexas]

That one worked for me! Thanks, Shadow, for taking the time and effort to post the newest picture of Rose for everyone to see.

[*02]

she does look older in that pic. Her story is so sad and strange, I mean strange in the fact of the letters and the Synanon school link.

[Shadow205]

http://www.western-project.com/clips/sveclips/Portrait01.jpg

The Jane Doe

http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/th_7a07.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/?action=view&current=7a07.jpg)
Rose

That Jane Doe just looks so much like Rose to me. An older Rose.

[annemc2]

Gosh, Shadow, you're right - I think it looks a lot like her, too :(

[gardenmom]

Gosh, Shadow, you're right - I think it looks a lot like her, too :(
It's very eerie. Even Yanette mentioned in her blog that she sees the resemblence.

HOT, have you asked Yanette to come here to register? I hope she finds Rose, one way or another. I hope we can help.

[HeartofTexas]

No, Gardenmom, I haven't asked her to register... but I've sent her the url for the forum, and I know at one point (a few days ago) she had read all of the posts. Maybe I need to be more specific with her so that she knows we'd love for her to register.

Shadow, I'm not very good at observing similarities with any of the Jane Does. I also get confused with all of the different interpretations by various Doe artists, to the point I end up wondering what the people really do look like and if anyone really knows. I certainly think there is at least a decent chance that your Jane Doe could be Rose, but beyond that I don't know. I think the fact that some of the other posters can see the similiarity should be given lots more weight than my untrained eye. I just really appreciate you finding the Doe and doing the various pix for us to look at.

[HeartofTexas]

As a follow-up to Itsreenw's interview with the Synanon teacher, she has written a letter to her and asked her to check into any information she can find re Rose's stay and also to post the information re Rose's disappearance on their site. Thanks, Itsreenw!

[WhiteWolf]

Would the original court records of Rose being sentenced to rehab be available?

From what I read, its difficult to tell if Rose was present at the hearing or not...If this were a petition on her behalf to have the charges dropped/removed, I would think she did not have to be present herself. Court records of the hearing should reflect whether or not she was actually present, I would assume.


Couldn't someone call the courthouse and ask if this type of petition can be presented and acted on by the court IF the person in question is not personally present in court. Maybe an attorney could answer the question?

[welder 79]

iam new on this site and i hope iam not speaking out of line. but something about this case is bugging me to death..in all my year's i have never seen a dad that in specially his little girl or girl's did not have a big soft place in his heart for them he protect them and buy them any thing that he could and help them out in anyway he possible could... but in this case this look's to be missing?? iam wondering why?? even in a case like this where he married a other women beside her true mother i still have not seen it???

[gardenmom]

iam new on this site and i hope iam not speaking out of line. but something about this case is bugging me to death..in all my year's i have never seen a dad that in specially his little girl or girl's did not have a big soft place in his heart for them he protect them and buy them any thing that he could and help them out in anyway he possible could... but in this case this look's to be missing?? iam wondering why?? even in a case like this where he married a other women beside her true mother i still have not seen it???
Well, from what I can gather, something either happened to her in her family, or she had big self esteem issues. As much as parents try, sometimes it's just not enough. We don't really know all the facts in this case, but it was the courts that sent her away. I don't know how much if anything her parents had to do with it. Maybe they thought they were doing what was best for her. I think she was reaching out to her dad. Whether he returned the favor, I don't think we know. It sounds like the letter we saw was written to her step mom anyway. That's why I'd like the family to join here, so we can figure out the dynamics of the family. It may not help solve the case though, and I think it is hard on the family to rehash all this. But, they are heading in the right direction I think.

[welder 79]

i agree garden mom..i just can't see them watching her as young as she was begging too come home knowing she's living homeless in the mean street's of a big city even if they had to keep her hidden because of legal problem's( i think a 1st year law student could talk a judge into very close watched probation because they was not as harsh on people on drug's back then as today except maybe heroin and i don't think that was the case) and if i read it right in sometime in 74 she was released from her legal problem's so they be no more reason to hide....And i feel that judge overstep his legal power's even sending her out of state!!!! No where even close i saw where he was a federal judge. and i think you could get that overturned very easy in appeallate court!!!that's not including sending her to what could be called a slave camp.. This day and time a good lawyer could clean house on a case like this i feel. Maybe iam a little soft hearted myself lol..

[welder 79]

i sure hope i didn't offend anybody...but i say i am a lot soft hearted when it come's to little kid's.....sorry

[Shadow205]

itsreenw,

I missed this when you originally posted it. Was HoT able to compare the ss# with Rose's? Does the family even have Rose's ss#?

I found a Rose Cole on the SS death index. Her birthday is listed as 4-23-56 instead of 12-23-56 that died in 1998. I PM'd the ss# to HoT to verify the # with the family.

[smile22]

i have thought of a way to get into syanon website. someone who can get a free email add and write to them tell them that they belived they were in syanon but is not 100% sure they could say well i had a bad accident a few years ago that left me with amisia.. im married with children and when i meet my husband years ago i had no family to speak of. i know i had changed my name beacuse my husband told me that when we started dating i had told him i used to be someone else but i wanted to forget that life or something. i still dont remember everything fully about my life before the amisia or someting but i know i have these dreams of some place i used to be in i remember seeing all these people and a name of the place but i cant fully see the name but i know it started with a s so i search online and found the saynon place it sounds familar but im not sure if you could let me in with my currant name and a picture i might be able to remember more of my life

i duno that might sound a lil phoney but hey what about registering with roses name or something?

[gardenmom]

i have thought of a way to get into syanon website. someone who can get a free email add and write to them tell them that they belived they were in syanon but is not 100% sure they could say well i had a bad accident a few years ago that left me with amisia.. im married with children and when i meet my husband years ago i had no family to speak of. i know i had changed my name beacuse my husband told me that when we started dating i had told him i used to be someone else but i wanted to forget that life or something. i still dont remember everything fully about my life before the amisia or someting but i know i have these dreams of some place i used to be in i remember seeing all these people and a name of the place but i cant fully see the name but i know it started with a s so i search online and found the saynon place it sounds familar but im not sure if you could let me in with my currant name and a picture i might be able to remember more of my life

i duno that might sound a lil phoney but hey what about registering with roses name or something?

I don't know. It might work. However, I would not use Rose's name. The lady from the newspaper was supposed to post something on Rose, so I think they would know something was up. Besides, Rose's family might be in danger by using her name. If someone from Syanon did something to Rose they might do anything to keep that info from being found. I think we need to be careful. If you register, please do so under a free e-mail account and not your home e-mail address.

[smile22]

im def going to do that i have to come up with a pen name and such and no im not going to use roses name. i think im going to creat my email now and stuff and see what happens

[itsreenw]

itsreenw,

I missed this when you originally posted it. Was HoT able to compare the ss# with Rose's? Does the family even have Rose's ss#?I don't think they have her SS# so i advised the sil to contact the SSA to request that info.

[HeartofTexas]

Sorry everyone... I've been offline for over 24 hours (computer problems).

The SIL has tried to join WS but is having trouble getting registered. I hear that a lot but don't really understand what kind of problems they are experiencing. Does anyone have any suggestions on how we could help the SIL speed up the process?

Thanks, Itsreenw... you're right... the SIL and family do not know Rose's SS# so there was nothing to compare it to.

I'll also be gone all day tomorrow but will be back online tomorrow evening. I'll do my best to answer any questions then.

And Itsreenw, if you know any way to help the SIL get registered quicker, will you email her with your ideas. Thanks!

[Goody]

Sorry everyone... I've been offline for over 24 hours (computer problems).

The SIL has tried to join WS but is having trouble getting registered. I hear that a lot but don't really understand what kind of problems they are experiencing. Does anyone have any suggestions on how we could help the SIL speed up the process?

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You can't use a freebee email address like yahoo. Got to have a paying account. That is about all I know. When I joined, Jeana had to help me out a little as I recall. Can't remember now what the problem was but I would guess you could ask any of the monitors to help you out.

[smile22]

my efforts to gain access to the website were fruitless i had a whole speach about memory loss and how i lived with my children and such and i cant rememebr my old life bla bla bla and how i think was at synanon. anyways this george guy writes me back i used a fake name and omg the man sends me an email and gets the fake name all wrong

We are in the process of establishing an open-to-the-public Synanon Museum
at http://www.synanon.org/Synanon/Museum/Index.html -- you can be our first
visitor. Lots of pictures, lots of history, maps, etc.
so i wrote back staing i was hoping to post a picture to see if anyone rememberd me ill posst u all on the update i wonder if he searching google and foudn my postings on ws ?

[itsreenw]

my efforts to gain access to the website were fruitless i had a whole speach about memory loss and how i lived with my children and such and i cant rememebr my old life bla bla bla and how i think was at synanon. anyways this george guy writes me back i used a fake name and omg the man sends me an email and gets the fake name all wrong

We are in the process of establishing an open-to-the-public Synanon Museum
at http://www.synanon.org/Synanon/Museum/Index.html -- you can be our first
visitor. Lots of pictures, lots of history, maps, etc.
so i wrote back staing i was hoping to post a picture to see if anyone rememberd me ill posst u all on the update i wonder if he searching google and foudn my postings on ws ?Smile, atleast you got a reply. I emailed him too and didn't hear a word from him. I did send Sue Richardson an email though with Rose's latest pic and she said she'd post it so hopefully we'll hear something back. I told her to have any info go to the SIL. I'm sure SIL and HeartofTexas will let us know if they hear anything. Nice try though with the memory loss story-I'm sure many people that were in Synanon have memory loss due to PTSD from being there.

[smile22]

well even with asking to post a picture he still wont gain me acess he knows something is up or thinks im lying to gain entrace to do something. so he asked for a picture so i said i would send one once i got all my pictures in order. he also asked me when i was in the place and i said i think 70s it was the only year i could think of i was born in the early 80s and i had to make the letter look credible and im not sure when they closed down.

[HeartofTexas]

In post #79, Richard asked....

Questions about Flint, Michigan residence...
What was her family's address in Flint, Michigan? What Jr. High School and High Schools did she attend?

I lived in Flint during my Junior High Days and later came back to teach in one of the Flint High Schools in January 1972. I have also been to Oakland, CA in the mid 1970's. Where was this cult located?

Tonight I received an email from Rose's SIL answering Richard's questions. Here is her response:

Rose lived @ 208 W. Jackson, Flint, MI
Richard Rose's best friend was Claire McNamara (Sister~Coleen McNamara) who's father was a police officer at the time.

I found an article from a MI's paper about a Tim McNamara retiring. I called all the McNamara's in Flint, but no one is related to Claire. I don't know if Tim is the right person either. . .I am attaching a picture of Claire from Norma's yearbook - Northern.

Please let me know this brings any memories. . .Thanks
Also, the SIL emailed me some pix from the highschool yearbook, but I don't know how to copy them.

[gardenmom]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/gardenmom/normacole.jpg Norma Cole http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/gardenmom/claire.jpg Claire McNamara

[Shadow205]

I might have located Colleen, Claires sister(Rose's best friend). I have PM'd the contact information to HeartofTexas. Her married name is McElrath.

[HeartofTexas]

Thanks sooo much, Gardenmom, for doing the pictures of Norma Cole and Claire in an easy format. I appreciate your help so much, and the results are great!

Shadow, thank you for locating the information on Colleen. I will forward that info to the SIL today.

I think I have more stuff coming in from the SIL. Unfortunately, I have a dial-up connection and it's taking about 30 minutes an email to come in. I think what's coming is scanned copies of Rose's letters.

[Shadow205]

If we can contact Colleen and find out how to contact Claire we might just learn something. If Rose & Claire were best friends, maybe she wrote her after leaving Synanon.

[HeartofTexas]

If Rose & Claire were best friends, maybe she wrote her after leaving Synanon.
Shadow, I thought I did a post earlier today letting you know that the SIL emailed me and said that Rose definitely did write to Claire, but I sure don't see my post anywhere so don't know