View Full Version : Can someone explain to me on WHAT basis was Darin cleared??
Tristan
04-23-2006, 01:33 AM
When I first heard about this case, my initial reaction was that Darin was the killer.
I have read a fair amount on this case, and an intruder theory is highly unlikely, so it's either Darlie or Darin.
Since he was in the house at the time of the murders, WHY was he cleared
as a suspect??
Did he take a polygraph?
If it's because there was no blood on his clothes, he could have changed them
and hid the bloody clothing somewhere.
Anyone?
When I first heard about this case, my initial reaction was that Darin was the killer.
I have read a fair amount on this case, and an intruder theory is highly unlikely, so it's either Darlie or Darin.
Since he was in the house at the time of the murders, WHY was he cleared
as a suspect??
Did he take a polygraph?
If it's because there was no blood on his clothes, he could have changed them
and hid the bloody clothing somewhere.
Anyone?
No evidence was found against Darin. Plus Darlie adamently insisted he was not the intruder. Yes he had blood on his jeans but he was giving cpr to Devon and he apparently aided Damon or places himself near Damon checking his pulse. His story was consistent.
The blood evidence indicates Darlie is the killer.
He failed a polygraph...given privately by Pardo's people....but so did Darle.
Britlaw
04-23-2006, 06:36 PM
But, he didnt have a shirt on so there could be no blood drops on the back of his nighshirt come back to haunt him like hers....(athough he must have been covered in blood - looking at the photos of Devon :( they corroborate him giving him mouth to mouth etc).
I think people would be more inclined to accept the mommy kills her children scenario if he'd have been more conclusively eliminated. I am not saying he did it/anything, just that there would be less doubt surrounding her if he wasnt still an unknown quantity. She knows that, otherwise she wouldnt have raised the testing of his jeans and the subtle suggestions of his involvement in her appeal.
Tristan
04-23-2006, 07:49 PM
I just have a sinking feeling that Darin is somehow involved.
If he didn't do it, he knows exactly what happened.
Is he STILL standing by his wife?
Or did he remarry?
I just have a sinking feeling that Darin is somehow involved.
If he didn't do it, he knows exactly what happened.
Is he STILL standing by his wife?
Or did he remarry?
I don't believe Darin was involved in the murders but I do believe he figured out pretty quickly she had done it and decided to protect her. No, he has not remarried.
But, he didnt have a shirt on so there could be no blood drops on the back of his nighshirt come back to haunt him like hers....(athough he must have been covered in blood - looking at the photos of Devon :( they corroborate him giving him mouth to mouth etc).
I think people would be more inclined to accept the mommy kills her children scenario if he'd have been more conclusively eliminated. I am not saying he did it/anything, just that there would be less doubt surrounding her if he wasnt still an unknown quantity. She knows that, otherwise she wouldnt have raised the testing of his jeans and the subtle suggestions of his involvement in her appeal.
It's not just blood drops on the back of the shirt....there's quite a bit of blood evidence against Darlie. There's no doubt in my mind she committed the murders. It's possible Darin colluded with her but somehow I don't see her taking the rap completely if he was involved. He was investigated...first....but there just is no evidence he was involved in the commission of the crime. Most people think he is involved and I am quite sure the homicide detectives do as well, they just can't get him on anything.
Darlie has adamently insisted Darin was not involved in the murders or at least that he wasn't the intruder she described. Now she is trying to hint that he is involved....as her appeals fail. If he is involved, it doesn't eliminate her so that's probably why she won't spill her guts as to his full involvement.
Britlaw
04-24-2006, 03:21 AM
No, I know there's more than the drops etc. but there wouldnt be anywhere near the same doubts for some about her guilt if Darin for instance hadnt have been there at all that night. Because there are still elements of doubt as to what happened, that will allow debate to continue and give her fuel to spark yet more theories/variants etc.
Darlie versus intruder theory is somewhat easier than
Darlie maybe together with Darin versus intruder theory or maybe Darlie with Darin colluding/conspiring/covering up/arranging hitmen theory.
I'd like to think he wasnt involved but cant quite get my head around a man standing by a woman who butchered his children. I have given examples on here of partners that do support murderers like Primrose Shipman but Darin possibly actually witnessed these events, or at least the immediate aftermath which has to make a difference doesnt it? If he is living this lie in complete innocence himself, then arguably he has it more difficult than she does.
Jeana (DP)
04-24-2006, 09:47 AM
I don't know that Darin was actually ever a "suspect," so I don't know that he had to be cleared.
No, I know there's more than the drops etc. but there wouldnt be anywhere near the same doubts for some about her guilt if Darin for instance hadnt have been there at all that night. Because there are still elements of doubt as to what happened, that will allow debate to continue and give her fuel to spark yet more theories/variants etc.
Darlie versus intruder theory is somewhat easier than
Darlie maybe together with Darin versus intruder theory or maybe Darlie with Darin colluding/conspiring/covering up/arranging hitmen theory.
I'd like to think he wasnt involved but cant quite get my head around a man standing by a woman who butchered his children. I have given examples on here of partners that do support murderers like Primrose Shipman but Darin possibly actually witnessed these events, or at least the immediate aftermath which has to make a difference doesnt it? If he is living this lie in complete innocence himself, then arguably he has it more difficult than she does.
I think there will always be doubts about her guilt...with no confession.
That's my problem with Darin as well....if he wasn't involved and he's figured out she did it...why stand by her after she killed two of his sons. If he was involved, why is she protecting him?
Arranging a hitman has to be the most ridiculous theory of this crime I've heard yet. All that is is senstionalism for the drama queens, in my opinion anyway.
sharpar
04-24-2006, 10:47 AM
I get your point but if women stand behind guilty partners or murder kids so they arent a hinderance to a new romance then why not Darin ?
Perhaps those DD'S REALLY were more important to him than the lives of his sons. Perhaps her affection / good grace was vital & the boys were expendable if Darlie didnt want them anymore. He too had to feel the pressure of her
depression and the mounting financial problems. The whole attitude of
gee, raising children is expensive and difficult and if they were gone life would
be easier.
Darin may not have been directly involved with the crime but he is a monster
just the same JMO.
Jeana (DP)
04-24-2006, 11:25 AM
I don't know what his motivation was for anything he might have done, but those DDs aren't benefitting him now. There's another reason why he's being quiet.
deanws
04-24-2006, 05:28 PM
No evidence was found against Darin. Plus Darlie adamently insisted he was not the intruder. Yes he had blood on his jeans but he was giving cpr to Devon and he apparently aided Damon or places himself near Damon checking his pulse. His story was consistent.
The blood evidence indicates Darlie is the killer.
He failed a polygraph...given privately by Pardo's people....but so did Darle.LOL..I can't imagine why Darlie ever took it to begin with. It amazes me that some people think they can lie their way out of everything. :bang:
deanws
04-24-2006, 05:41 PM
I don't believe Darin was involved in the murders but I do believe he figured out pretty quickly she had done it and decided to protect her. No, he has not remarried.I know you don't.:confused: I still think he is involved. Even if he did not take the knife to his babies, he helped in the cover up, which in my mind makes him guilty. It makes me sick that he can't stand behind his boys and fight for their justice. I don't think I will ever understand him. As much as I love my husband, I would never cover up for him if he killed one of our children. I think it has been stated here many times, they had a very strange STRANGE co-dependent relationship. If he had ANYTHING to do with this crime, I hope he never lives a day in his life without the feeling of terrible guilt nagging him every moment, every breath he breaths.:loser:
deanws
04-24-2006, 05:42 PM
I get your point but if women stand behind guilty partners or murder kids so they arent a hinderance to a new romance then why not Darin ?
Perhaps those DD'S REALLY were more important to him than the lives of his sons. Perhaps her affection / good grace was vital & the boys were expendable if Darlie didnt want them anymore. He too had to feel the pressure of her
depression and the mounting financial problems. The whole attitude of
gee, raising children is expensive and difficult and if they were gone life would
be easier.
Darin may not have been directly involved with the crime but he is a monster
just the same JMO.I soooo agree with you sharpar. Good post.:dance:
deanws
04-24-2006, 05:54 PM
I don't know what his motivation was for anything he might have done, but those DDs aren't benefitting him now. There's another reason why he's being quiet.I think he will get on with his life once Darlie fries. I can't wait until all appeals are over, and Darlie starts pointing the finger at Darin. She doesn't seem the type to go down alone for this crime. It will be interesting to watch what all goes down. :crazy: My wish is that he would be a man and tell the truth. IMO since he has been silent about all of this, he knows the truth. :( I don't know how he can live with himself. :mad:
Daisy
04-25-2006, 02:04 PM
What question(s) on the polygraph did Darin fail? Anyone know?
Britlaw
04-25-2006, 04:31 PM
What question(s) on the polygraph did Darin fail? Anyone know?
"Were you involved in any plan to commit a crime in your home in June of
1996?"
"No," Mr. Routier said.
"Did you yourself stab Darlie on June 6, 1996?"
"No."
"Do you know exactly who left the sock in the alley?"
"No."
"Can you name the person who stabbed your sons?"
"No."
The examiner, Waco police Officer Stuart W. Ervin, determined that Mr.
Routier did not answer the questions truthfully. "My professional opinion is that the subject was lying," Officer Ervin wrote in his report....from this source http://venus.soci.niu.edu/~archives/ABOLISH/may98/0451.html
Why did they get a Police Officer to do it. If a more independent/impartial examiner it would have been more difficult to try and shoot it down dont ya think?
Daisy
04-25-2006, 05:05 PM
Thanks, Britlaw! Interesting article! Sounds to me like Darin is at least guilty of cover-up....something most of us figured anyway. I could see where there would be hesitation wounds on Darlie's neck if Darin had done the cover-up slice job on her.
However, why on earth would he cover up for her? I just don't get that at all! I know that's a question that none of us will probably ever find out the truthful answer to but it's one of the questions that has been asked time and time again. :confused:
Spywhere
04-25-2006, 10:56 PM
Wow! what a "man" that Darin is... I wonder if he's looking for the intruder(s)?Nah, I think if Darin was in :chicken: and Darlie was out, :behindbar she would of caught them by now like "Mac" did :sick: :sick: :sick: yep. She did it he helped.... now which one do we "nominate" as :laugh: worse, worser or worsest?
beesy
04-25-2006, 11:29 PM
Darin may not have been directly involved with the crime but he is a monster just the same JMO. Perhaps even more so than Darlie herself. She's been convicted of murder, although of course she claims innocence. However much Darin did and I know he did something, he is not being punished for it. He stood there knee-deep in his sons' blood and made a decision to keep what was left of his life. I can imagine them thinking that the murders were just a little bump in the road, like any other hardship one might have to face in life, such as an illness, but together they would work through it. They had no doubts they would get away with this and go back to their lives, sure as the parents of murdered children, but they would still be "living large", quote Darin. And of course, they still had Drake.
txsvicki
04-26-2006, 02:59 AM
There was a program on court tv tonight called Invisible Intruder about Darlie. I'm sure everyone has already seen it, but I was wondering about the reinactment with the laundry basket. The actress was shown placing her panties in the basket so that it would look like an attempted sexual assault. There was no mention of the sock at all. I did miss the first part of the program but I wonder if the sock wasn't mentioned because they thought that Darin ran it down the alley and not Darlie?
beesy
04-26-2006, 02:10 PM
There was a program on court tv tonight called Invisible Intruder about Darlie. I'm sure everyone has already seen it, but I was wondering about the reinactment with the laundry basket. The actress was shown placing her panties in the basket so that it would look like an attempted sexual assault. There was no mention of the sock at all. I did miss the first part of the program but I wonder if the sock wasn't mentioned because they thought that Darin ran it down the alley and not Darlie?
That sock is something not easily explained, by pros or antis. I do think Darin ran it down there to throw it in the sewer. I don't think it was a plant because of the huge risk they were taking by Darin running down there. What I can't figure out is what the sock was used for. I think it might have been left out of the program because of all the questions. It's not a very long show is it? Anyway, so that's what I think, for what's it's worth
Tristan
04-27-2006, 01:20 AM
This may have been answered before, and I'm sorry if I missed it, but
my question is: Why not Drake??
Why would she kill the 2 boys but not the 3rd boy?
I'm sure there are MANY theories on this, and I'd love to hear some.
britgirl
04-27-2006, 09:47 AM
This may have been answered before, and I'm sorry if I missed it, but
my question is: Why not Drake??
Why would she kill the 2 boys but not the 3rd boy?
I'm sure there are MANY theories on this, and I'd love to hear some.
My personal take on this is that Darlie liked cute little babies, but lively kids running around were another matter. The ferocity of the attacks on Damon and Devon shows the immense rage she felt towards them. Drake was too young to have his own personality; he was pliable. JMHO
This may have been answered before, and I'm sorry if I missed it, but
my question is: Why not Drake??
Why would she kill the 2 boys but not the 3rd boy?
I'm sure there are MANY theories on this, and I'd love to hear some.
Only Darlie knows why. I don't think an eight month old would have been camping out downstairs like the two elder boys were and it would have been very difficult to explain an intruder going up to the master bedroom to murder Drake while Darin was asleep up there, if he were that is....just my opinon though.
sharpar
04-27-2006, 11:55 AM
His being in another location and upstairs probably saved his life.
Would be pretty suspcious 3 kids killed and both adults alive . JMO
beesy
04-28-2006, 04:05 PM
My personal take on this is that Darlie liked cute little babies, but lively kids running around were another matter. The ferocity of the attacks on Damon and Devon shows the immense rage she felt towards them. Drake was too young to have his own personality; he was pliable. JMHO
Yes, others have that maybe she wanted to start fresh with Drake. Like training a puppy or something. I think Darlie had been thinking how easier her life would be without Damon and Devon for several weeks. I don't think she planned to kill them at this point. She just wanted them not to be alive anymore, life poof a magic fairy took them away. That's why I don't think she snapped as some people say. But there was something about that night to make her decide it was time to kill them. She was accepting of their deaths too quickly.
beesy
04-28-2006, 04:15 PM
His being in another location and upstairs probably saved his life.
Would be pretty suspcious 3 kids killed and both adults alive . JMO I don't think she wanted to kill Drake. Of course his being in a safer location upstairs with Darin helped him too, but was not the one who pestered her. I think Darlie loved the attention new mommies get.
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