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outofthedark
04-23-2006, 08:06 PM
Unidentified White/Hispanic or Possibly Native American male
Located on September 17th, 2001 in Grays Harbor, Washington
Cause of death is apparent suicide
Doe Network case file is 233UMWA

Statistics:

Approx.Age: 20-30
Height and Weight: 72-75 inches and 140 pounds
Characteristics: Appendoctomy Scar on abdomen, Possible that JD spoke with a slight Canadian accent or a similar accent. JD had black hair and hazel eyes.
Dentals: Teeth were in near-perfect shape and charts are available
Clothing: Blue plaid shirt, gray "fruit of the loom" t-shirt, "Levi "550" blue jeans (size 36-34), black "Timberland" boots and a black leather belt

Case: Unknown. The individual had checked into the motel using the name "Lyle Stevik" from 1019 S. Progress Ave, Meridian, ID. The maid entered the room the following morning and he indicated that he was going to stay a few more days though he had only paid for one evening. The maid entered the room on 09/17/01 and found the subject hanging from the coat rack. Subject had left money on the nightstand that with a note that said "For the room". The only personal belongings in his possesion was a tooth brush and paste.

Investigative Agency: Grays Harbor Sheriff's Department
(360) 249 3711

Info Found: http://www.angelsmissing.com/forum/JOHN-DOE-LOCATED-SEPTEMBER-17-2001-t737.html

bykerladi
04-23-2006, 08:23 PM
That address is a real address in Idaho


http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=1019+S.+Progress+Ave.&csz=Meridian%2C+ID&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

A commercial address, but an address all the same. Unlikely he just made it up - seems like he must be from that area.

Website of the city of meridian:
http://www.meridiancity.org/home/index.asp

outofthedark
04-23-2006, 08:39 PM
That address is a real address in Idaho


http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=1019+S.+Progress+Ave.&csz=Meridian%2C+ID&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

A commercial address, but an address all the same. Unlikely he just made it up - seems like he must be from that area.

Website of the city of meridian:
http://www.meridiancity.org/home/index.asp

I forgot to mention that the adress was that for a motel!

Thanks! :D

I guess JD might have lived in hotels- but telling from clothing and dentals- I guess he didn't...

How's about making a name we can refer to this John Doe as? An idea I came up with a long time ago:D

bykerladi
04-23-2006, 08:42 PM
Good idea! He doesn't really look like a "Lyle"...

bykerladi
04-23-2006, 09:06 PM
You're right - its a Best Western...

Ok, there are four recognized Native American tribes in Idaho:

The Shoshone - Bannock Tribe in Fort Hall, ID (250 miles from Meridian, 846 miles from Amanda Park)

The Schitsu'umshTribe in Plummer, ID (443 miles from Meridian, 453 miles from Amanda Park)

The Kootenai Tribe in Bonners Ferry, ID (523 miles from Meridian, 517 miles from Amanda Park)

and The Nez Perce Tribe in Lapwai, ID (277 miles from Meridian, 458 miles from Amanda Park)

SO, if JD is native, its unlikely he lived on a reservation.

Of course, Amanda Park IS adjacent to the Quinault reservation. But I think they'd notice one of their own missing, wouldn't they?

I still think that the choice of an address in Meridian is a little too coincidental. He either was from that area, had previously been in that area, or was planning on being in that area (but "changed" his mind).

Ok, I got off track. How do you pick a name? We could call him Quinn...

outofthedark
04-23-2006, 09:20 PM
Good idea! He doesn't really look like a "Lyle"...
I was thinking about "Robert Doe" because he looks like The Cure's Robert Smith circa 1980

I thought that Kenneth Haley was Doe at first because he looks like Doe- but there's so much that doesn't match...

Kenneth Haley: http://www.nampn.doenetwork.us/cases/haley_kenneth.html

People are welcome to post possible missing persons matches!

Thanx! : )

bykerladi
04-23-2006, 09:25 PM
I think there is some native in him... whether indian or hispanic, I dunno.

Hmmm.... Robert.... He could be a Robert. I see the connection... :o

outofthedark
04-23-2006, 09:43 PM
I think there is some native in him... whether indian or hispanic, I dunno.

Hmmm.... Robert.... He could be a Robert. I see the connection... :o
If he was a Canadian Native American he could have come from anywhere in Canada, since he was thought to have had a Canadian accent or something like it...

About his clothes- he would have had a well-paying job because Timberland boots are kinda expensive. Plus, his teeth were nearly perfect- so he might have gone to the dentist alot or he took care of his teeth alot- hence the toothbrush and paste!

bykerladi
04-23-2006, 09:55 PM
Which, of course, begs the question why he hasn't been identified. Must've had money or been earning it, so someone must miss him...

If hes from Canada, why come to the US to kill yourself?

outofthedark
04-23-2006, 10:28 PM
Which, of course, begs the question why he hasn't been identified. Must've had money or been earning it, so someone must miss him...

If hes from Canada, why come to the US to kill yourself?
He might have liked the USA or Washington meant something to him- kinda baffled me too...

I'm wondering if this man had a history of depression or he simply took his life over an event that might have happened in his life. I'm also interested about the events that might have happened before and during the time that this man died. Was he depressed? Did he go through a breakup? Did he lose a loved one?

The fact that he gave another hotel's address as his own and used an alias gives me feeling that he didn't want anyone to know about him...

BTW, do motels have surveillance tapes outside and inside at the front desk or anywhere in the motel itself? If this motel did- wouldn't they have him on tape in the lobby or at the front desk talking to someone?

Another question I have is why the Sheriff's Department doesn't have pictures of his clothing or that toothbrush and paste OR the note that he left on the nightstand (unless it was thrown out) on any of the missing/unidentified sites that this John Doe is on...

Traybone74
04-23-2006, 11:47 PM
I have worked in 3 different hotels full time, but I've subbed at half a dozen more.

It dependes on the motel if they have cameras, the more expensive - the more likely. However if it is a high crime area they are liable to have cameras as well.

Also, I didn't see anything about a vehicle - did he arrive by cab or something? You would think they could track license or registration. So if he came to town without a car I wonder if they talked to the bus stations, maybe someone would have remembered what bus he came in on? That could help in finding out where he might have been from.

outofthedark
04-24-2006, 12:19 AM
I have worked in 3 different hotels full time, but I've subbed at half a dozen more.

It dependes on the motel if they have cameras, the more expensive - the more likely. However if it is a high crime area they are liable to have cameras as well.

Also, I didn't see anything about a vehicle - did he arrive by cab or something? You would think they could track license or registration. So if he came to town without a car I wonder if they talked to the bus stations, maybe someone would have remembered what bus he came in on? That could help in finding out where he might have been from.
I'm guessing maybe Vancouver or Aberdeen or anywhere that's close to Grays Harbor. Maybe a person like a friend could have dropped him off at the motel. Depends on when certian buses operated on the 15th-16th of September of that day during certian hours...

Richard
04-24-2006, 12:40 AM
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I'm wondering if this man had a history of depression or he simply took his life over an event that might have happened in his life. I'm also interested about the events that might have happened before and during the time that this man died. Was he depressed? Did he go through a breakup? Did he lose a loved one?...
Note that this man hanged himself on 16 September 2001. That was only five days after the Twin Towers and the Pentegon were attacked by Terrorists. That certainly was cause for much depression, and if he was already depressed due to some of the possibilities mentioned, maybe it was more than he could take. Perhaps he lost a loved one on 11 September?

In regard to a "name" for this John Doe, If I had posted it, I might have chosen "Grays Harbor John Doe" because it indicates where he was found and is unique, setting it apart from other cases.

outofthedark
04-24-2006, 12:59 AM
Note that this man hanged himself on 16 September 2001. That was only five days after the Twin Towers and the Pentegon were attacked by Terrorists. That certainly was cause for much depression, and if he was already depressed due to some of the possibilities mentioned, maybe it was more than he could take. Perhaps he lost a loved one on 11 September?

In regard to a "name" for this John Doe, If I had posted it, I might have chosen "Grays Harbor John Doe" because it indicates where he was found and is unique, setting it apart from other cases.
I noticed that coincidence too... him possibly losing a loved one during that day could have been possible...

In addition to a "name"- the Doe Network should do a different sketch of him than the one they currently have- it's the same as the photographs of him from the NCMA website! Maybe a forensic artist should do one of him that has colour and has him smiling and replace the Doe Network one! The National Centre For Missing and Exploited Children have excellent artists and could do one of him as described, colourful and smiling and alive;)

Richard
04-24-2006, 08:29 AM
Here is what the Doenetwork file on this man states, along with a link to the site which shows the composite sketch. Note that the name he gave to the Hotel Clerk was Lyle Stevik - a character in the book "You Must Remember This", by Joyce Carol Oates. He obviously identified in some way with that character. Does anyone know that book and character?
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Unidentified White / Native Male
Located on September 17, 2001 in Amanda Park, Grays Harbor County, Washington.
Date of death is September 16, 2001
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 20 - 30 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6'2"; 140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly Hispanic. Black hair; hazel eyes. His hair was neatly trimmed. Appendectomy scar on abdomen.
Dentals: Available. Teeth in near perfect shape. He had orthodontic work done.
Clothing: Blue plaid shirt, gray Fruit of the Loom T-shirt, Levi 550 blue jeans (size 36-34), black Timberland boots (size 10 Medium) and a black leather belt.
Fingerprints: Available
Other: It is possible that he spoke with a slight Canadian or similar accent.

Case History

The body of this white or Native American male was located in a Quinault area motel. his death has been ruled a suicide.

He had checked into the motel using the name "Lyle Stevik" from 1019 S. Progress Avenue, Meridian, Idaho. Address he listed is for a motel. Lyle Stevik is a character in the book You Must Remember This, by Joyce Carol Oates.

The maid entered the room the following morning and he indicated that he was going to stay a few more days though he had only paid for one evening. The maid entered the room on September 17, 2001 and found him hanging from the coat rack. He had left money on the nightstand that with a note that said "For the Room". The only personal belongings in his possession was a tooth brush and paste.

Fingerprints sent to FBI and RCMP with Negative results. He had recently lost a lot of weight (possibly 30-40 pounds).

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Grays Harbor Sheriff's Department
Detective Lane Youmans
360-249-3711 x574

Agency Case Number: 01-7870
NCIC Number: U-960002335
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
Missing Persons Gallery
Child Protection Education of America
The Doe Network: Case File 233UMWA

Link:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/233umwa.html

outofthedark
04-24-2006, 09:30 AM
Here is what the Doenetwork file on this man states, along with a link to the site which shows the composite sketch. Note that the name he gave to the Hotel Clerk was Lyle Stevik - a character in the book "You Must Remember This", by Joyce Carol Oates. He obviously identified in some way with that character. Does anyone know that book and character?
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Unidentified White / Native Male
Located on September 17, 2001 in Amanda Park, Grays Harbor County, Washington.
Date of death is September 16, 2001
Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 20 - 30 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6'2"; 140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly Hispanic. Black hair; hazel eyes. His hair was neatly trimmed. Appendectomy scar on abdomen.
Dentals: Available. Teeth in near perfect shape. He had orthodontic work done.
Clothing: Blue plaid shirt, gray Fruit of the Loom T-shirt, Levi 550 blue jeans (size 36-34), black Timberland boots (size 10 Medium) and a black leather belt.
Fingerprints: Available
Other: It is possible that he spoke with a slight Canadian or similar accent.

Case History

The body of this white or Native American male was located in a Quinault area motel. his death has been ruled a suicide.

He had checked into the motel using the name "Lyle Stevik" from 1019 S. Progress Avenue, Meridian, Idaho. Address he listed is for a motel. Lyle Stevik is a character in the book You Must Remember This, by Joyce Carol Oates.

The maid entered the room the following morning and he indicated that he was going to stay a few more days though he had only paid for one evening. The maid entered the room on September 17, 2001 and found him hanging from the coat rack. He had left money on the nightstand that with a note that said "For the Room". The only personal belongings in his possession was a tooth brush and paste.

Fingerprints sent to FBI and RCMP with Negative results. He had recently lost a lot of weight (possibly 30-40 pounds).

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Grays Harbor Sheriff's Department
Detective Lane Youmans
360-249-3711 x574

Agency Case Number: 01-7870
NCIC Number: U-960002335
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
Missing Persons Gallery
Child Protection Education of America
The Doe Network: Case File 233UMWA

Link:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/233umwa.html
I was curious about that weight-loss of 30-40 pounds and how he perhaps lost that weight...

About the source information- I think the second link or both links contain a post-mortem photo of JD and it doesn't have a warning/caution on the bottom- I'll see if I can e-mail them about that...

Here's a summary I found about the book You Must Remember This

Prolific writer Oates demonstrates awesome talent in her new novel, a family saga, set against the backdrop of conservatism that marked America in the 1950s. Through the actions of Lyle Stevick and his family, Oates creates a vivid portrait of bewildered, inarticulate people pushed against the narrow boundaries of their era by their emotions. Lyle is a man of small failures and smaller successes, a dealer in used furniture whose marriage is a continual reminder of one moment's misspent passion. He regards his brother Felix, a boxer, with cynicism born of envy. Lyle loves his children, but clearly does not know them. He is blind to his daughter Enid's affair with the virile Felix. Oates is not easy on her characters. She moves them through McCarthyism, backyard fallout shelters and illegal abortions, slapping them with harsh reflections of their weaknesses. Fully developed, they are described in language that is both elegant and gritty. The scenes between Enid and Felix add a pulsing, sensate eroticism. Infused with narrative energy, this is one of Oates's strongest books in many seasons. 50,000 first printing; major ad/promo; Literary Guild main selection.
Copyright 1987 Reed Business Information, Inc.

I looked up "Quinault" on google and I found a site for an indian reservation and a lodge- so if he is American Indian- he could possibly be a Quinault Indian maybe. I found something called "Destination Grays Harbor, 2002- Quinault area and I wondered if this was the place he stayed at- but the case history says "motel", so it's hard to know what hotel he was at in Quinault area...

Richard
04-24-2006, 05:47 PM
The book "You Must Remember This", by Joyce Carol Oates takes its title from the first line of a WW II era song "As Time Goes By..." A British TV soap opera show (seen in the US on PBS) uses the same song as its theme song.

You must remember this,
A kiss is just a kiss,
A sigh is just a sigh.
The fundamental things apply,
As time goes by....

outofthedark
04-24-2006, 06:40 PM
The book "You Must Remember This", by Joyce Carol Oates takes its title from the first line of a WW II era song "As Time Goes By..." A British TV soap opera show (seen in the US on PBS) uses the same song as its theme song.

You must remember this,
A kiss is just a kiss,
A sigh is just a sigh.
The fundamental things apply,
As time goes by....
Interesting fact about the book title...

Still hard to figure out what the connection is between JD and the story- I could guess that he had read the story at one point in his life or it was his favorite story, I dunno...

I have searched more missing persons and I still have dead-ends as to who JD might actually be- it'll probably show up someday though...

Thought of this to name JD- "Robert Quinn Harbor-Doe", combination of all the names that we all came up with to replace "John Doe"- but if we do use it, don't pass it on to anyone else who might also have a message board post about this case on a forum other than this one... thank you...

outofthedark
04-25-2006, 11:36 PM
Does the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Department have an e-mail address to go along with that phone number?

I wanted to ask them perhaps a few questions about John Doe and their investigation...

SoccerMom
04-26-2006, 04:14 PM
. Was he depressed? Did he go through a breakup? Did he lose a loved one?
The fact that he gave another hotel's address as his own and used an alias gives me feeling that he didn't want anyone to know about him...
..


I think the two things fit very well together. I know I'm reaching, but it kind of seems like something that could have happened after a breakup. Maybe his relationship/marriage ended, and he went far away and did this. She'd never have an answer of what happened to him, and she'd always wonder. To some people, that would make perfect sense. Kind of a "look what I did because of you."

outofthedark
04-26-2006, 05:25 PM
I think the two things fit very well together. I know I'm reaching, but it kind of seems like something that could have happened after a breakup. Maybe his relationship/marriage ended, and he went far away and did this. She'd never have an answer of what happened to him, and she'd always wonder. To some people, that would make perfect sense. Kind of a "look what I did because of you."
If he really did kill himself over a divorce or seperation, then it would be coincidental to this John Doe case, also from the Doe Network:

http://doenetwork.us/cases/720umsk.html

About his appendoctomy scar- do you think it's possible that he suffered from stomach problems? Would the surgeon/whomever would recognize him as their patient? Or was the appendoctomy the result of his death?

The whole marriage thing fits in with his estimated age range with his year of birth probably being from 1970-1981. If he was 30- there is a good chance of estimating how long he could have been married for. But if he was 20 and was married, what age did he marry at?

bykerladi
04-26-2006, 08:22 PM
In these days appendectomies are so "run of the mill" I doubt a surgeon would recognize him. Not to mention with so many specialists required nowadays, his surgeon was unlikely his regular doctor.

I like that name, outofthedark! Robert Quinn Harbor-Doe. Very creative! Hope he won't mind if I shorten it to Robert... or Rob... :crazy:

If he wanted an ex to "look at what you made me do" or whatnot, wouldn't he WANT her to find out?

I don't see a connection between suicide at a motel and using the address of a motel. I still think that address he used was too remote to be randomly chosen.

outofthedark
04-26-2006, 10:16 PM
In these days appendectomies are so "run of the mill" I doubt a surgeon would recognize him. Not to mention with so many specialists required nowadays, his surgeon was unlikely his regular doctor.

I like that name, outofthedark! Robert Quinn Harbor-Doe. Very creative! Hope he won't mind if I shorten it to Robert... or Rob... :crazy:

If he wanted an ex to "look at what you made me do" or whatnot, wouldn't he WANT her to find out?

I don't see a connection between suicide at a motel and using the address of a motel. I still think that address he used was too remote to be randomly chosen.
Thanks! We could shorten it to Rob or Robert and turn it into a full-time nickname that we could call him in our posts instead of "John Doe"

If he had an ex, maybe he killed himself and didn't tell her so he could suprise her with his revenge that he had taken out on her. If he had an ex before his death, perhaps she cheated on him or dumped him without his knowledge...

That whole committing suicide at a motel and using the address of a motel from another state confuses me- why would he do that? Was he planning to go to that Idaho motel?

JusticeForAll
04-27-2006, 09:28 AM
Perhaps he once worked at the motel and remembered the address.

bykerladi
04-27-2006, 09:36 AM
I wonder if the police even asked the people at that address if they recognized him...

PonderingThings
04-27-2006, 09:59 AM
JusticeForAll I agree that maybe he once worked for the motel and maybe remembered the address - or maybe he worked in the shipping department of a company that used to send a lot of supplies (products like shampoo just as an example) to the hotel - he was so used to writing the address he could rattle it off from memory.

Same for the name from the book. Maybe his best friend always called himself by that name - so he "stole" it when he was checking in. Maybe he used the name because he hated his English Lit teacher who failed him on an exam about that book. Maybe he had just read the book on a bus ride as another passenger had accidently left it behind.

Sometimes the clues that are left behind are meaningless. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

Here are some things that we do know.

1. He wanted to be anonymous.
There was nothing of his but the clothes on his back, tooth paste and a tooth brush. No wallet, No id, no change of clothes, no coat, etc.. Where did he stash them? In a dumpster? A locker at the bus station? A vehicle? Checked baggage on a plane? Checking in under a false name underscores he tried to be anonymous... right?

2. Clues about the teeth.
He had had othodontic work done and had almost perfect teeth. He also had a tooth paste and tooth brush as his only "possessions". Could he have been a dentist? Or did he have them because he forgot he had removed them from his bag?

3. He died a few days after September 11th. Had the hotel been unexpectedly busy after flights were grounded? Is there an airport nearby? Perhaps the location is simply because that's where his plane landed?

4. Did he plan his suicide or was it a moment of opportunity? Many people plan to go to a hotel to commit suicide - that way they are sure their body will be found, and a family member doesn't find them. What if they were thinking about suicide anyway and found themselves in "perfect circumstances".

5. Could someone have stolen his bag? Is it possible that he had brought someone back to his room and they stole everything he had (except for the cash in his pocket)? Someone already depressed from the events could have become even more depressed at the theft?

I read a report about this case (don't know where as I can't find the reference) that said he carefully taped pillows to the wall so that it would minimize any noise. He would have had to buy or bring the tape with him.

Lots to speculate about... few answers....

outofthedark
04-27-2006, 10:35 AM
JusticeForAll I agree that maybe he once worked for the motel and maybe remembered the address - or maybe he worked in the shipping department of a company that used to send a lot of supplies (products like shampoo just as an example) to the hotel - he was so used to writing the address he could rattle it off from memory.

Same for the name from the book. Maybe his best friend always called himself by that name - so he "stole" it when he was checking in. Maybe he used the name because he hated his English Lit teacher who failed him on an exam about that book. Maybe he had just read the book on a bus ride as another passenger had accidently left it behind.

Sometimes the clues that are left behind are meaningless. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

Here are some things that we do know.

1. He wanted to be anonymous.
There was nothing of his but the clothes on his back, tooth paste and a tooth brush. No wallet, No id, no change of clothes, no coat, etc.. Where did he stash them? In a dumpster? A locker at the bus station? A vehicle? Checked baggage on a plane? Checking in under a false name underscores he tried to be anonymous... right?

2. Clues about the teeth.
He had had othodontic work done and had almost perfect teeth. He also had a tooth paste and tooth brush as his only "possessions". Could he have been a dentist? Or did he have them because he forgot he had removed them from his bag?

3. He died a few days after September 11th. Had the hotel been unexpectedly busy after flights were grounded? Is there an airport nearby? Perhaps the location is simply because that's where his plane landed?

4. Did he plan his suicide or was it a moment of opportunity? Many people plan to go to a hotel to commit suicide - that way they are sure their body will be found, and a family member doesn't find them. What if they were thinking about suicide anyway and found themselves in "perfect circumstances".

5. Could someone have stolen his bag? Is it possible that he had brought someone back to his room and they stole everything he had (except for the cash in his pocket)? Someone already depressed from the events could have become even more depressed at the theft?

I read a report about this case (don't know where as I can't find the reference) that said he carefully taped pillows to the wall so that it would minimize any noise. He would have had to buy or bring the tape with him.

Lots to speculate about... few answers....
The pillow thing is new and interesting- I wonder how many pillows "Robert's" hotel room had at the time he checked in...

Now I am wondering what types of noise was he trying minimize...

I was thinking- if he was a dentist, a dentist's office would recognize him as an employee and identify him by a photograph- did the Sheriff's Department go to dental offices to see if they recognized him if he had a specific dentist that he went to?

"Robert" being a employee at a hotel I could see because he could remember the address or perhaps he had an excellent memory...

PonderingThings
04-27-2006, 10:40 AM
When a hanging occurs the body will spasm in its final throes. Since he used the closet area he probably felt the walls were too close and didn't want to give himself away.

PonderingThings
04-27-2006, 10:56 AM
For those that are inclined to learn more about suspension hanging here is Steven's thoughts on the subject. http://ash.spaink.net/suspension.html

ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED - it does explain the "techniques" and "mindset" of some of the suicidal people though.

I know the date at the bottom of the web page refers to the web page, not the date of the possible suicide but in my mind I've often wondered if this unidentified man was "Steven".
==> Last update: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:47

outofthedark
04-27-2006, 11:31 AM
For those that are inclined to learn more about suspension hanging here is Steven's thoughts on the subject. http://ash.spaink.net/suspension.html

ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED - it does explain the "techniques" and "mindset" of some of the suicidal people though.

I know the date at the bottom of the web page refers to the web page, not the date of the possible suicide but in my mind I've often wondered if this unidentified man was "Steven".
==> Last update: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 07:47


That "Steven" person could be him...

Makes me wonder how "Robert" could set up a web page 5-6 days before his death and then kill himself later... I'll read the page further to find anything that might give any clues about "Robert" and who he might really be- but then "Steven" could be an alias too. Perhaps "Robert" had a history of giving false names and addresses, so that no-one knew who he was

PonderingThings
04-27-2006, 11:37 AM
No the web page was not owned by "Steven". He sent an email to the site owner "Webspinner".



(Webspinner note: The below was sent to the webspinner address (ash@xanthia.com) as a combined suicide note / suspension hanging reference. Since the author hasn't contacted me again, I assume he sent the letter on a time delay, and was successful.)
The site owner assumes Steven went through with it - but there isn't actually any confirmation.

There is most likely NO connection to the unidentified man being discussed. Just coincidental. After all, the aftermath of 9-11 saw a spike in suicides.

outofthedark
04-27-2006, 11:42 AM
No the web page was not owned by "Steven". He sent an email to the site owner "Webspinner".


The site owner assumes Steven went through with it - but there isn't actually any confirmation.

There is most likely NO connection to the unidentified man being discussed. Just coincidental. After all, the aftermath of 9-11 saw a spike in suicides.
I found a different website with the "Lyle Stevik" case on it- just type in "Lyle Stevik Case" on google

outofthedark
04-27-2006, 01:13 PM
- "Robert" checked into the hotel on September 15th, 2001

- The motel was near a trailer park

- The 1st room he was in he said was too noisy, so "Robert" asked to be moved

- He closed the blinds so no-one would see him

- In the trash can, there was a crumpled newspaper and a piece of white paper on which he scribbled the word "suicide"

- His Levi's were a size 36 waist and way to big to fit his 140-pound frame- so that's the explanation of the 30-40 pounds weight loss belief

Information Found: http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2006/02/19/local_news/01news.txt

gardenmom
04-27-2006, 04:27 PM
Maybe this guy took the 9/11 events and staged a suicide so they would think he died in the towers or something. Maybe he was supposed to be there, and had survivor's guilt. Maybe someone he loved died and he didn't want to live anymore.

outofthedark
04-27-2006, 07:49 PM
Maybe this guy took the 9/11 events and staged a suicide so they would think he died in the towers or something. Maybe he was supposed to be there, and had survivor's guilt. Maybe someone he loved died and he didn't want to live anymore.
The 9/11 death of a loved one was one of the theories on this board- or possibly a friend died in 9/11...

I actually meant to say in another of my posts was "having a page on a website"- not the other way around... just wanted to correct that :)

dark_shadows
04-28-2006, 04:03 AM
Is the photo an unretouched Autopsy photo?
If so,it does not appear to be that of someone who has been hanged.
ie;
The capillaries in the eyes are void of hemorrhages.
No Livor mortis in the jawline area above the neck where a "noose" would be placed by someone choosing a hanging method of death.(refer to the photo.)
Livor mortis starts 20 minutes to 3 hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in 4 to 5 hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6-12 hours.

Look at this photo if it is unretouched..
His features are too chiseled and devoid of the marks of a person hanged.Was he deseased prior to the hanging?Just a question.

does not match (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300405S) *Warning: Graphic Image*

outofthedark
04-28-2006, 10:10 AM
Is the photo an unretouched Autopsy photo?
If so,it does not appear to be that of someone who has been hanged.
ie;
The capillaries in the eyes are void of hemorrhages.
No Livor mortis in the jawline area above the neck where a "noose" would be placed by someone choosing a hanging method of death.(refer to the photo.)
Livor mortis starts 20 minutes to 3 hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in 4 to 5 hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6-12 hours.

Look at this photo if it is unretouched..
His features are too chiseled and devoid of the marks of a person hanged.Was he deseased prior to the hanging?Just a question.

does not match (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300405S) *Warning: Graphic Image*
Last time I checked that photo out was probably 2 years ago and does a hanging victim have marks on their necks? Because I don't think "Robert" had marks of any sort around his neck- unless I am wrong...

Now that I think about it- I do think there is something up with that photo because I do remember what the photo kinda looked like

1) The way "Robert's" eyes are in that photo
- I don't think his eyes would have been open after he died from air suffocation, they probably would have been closed

2) The way his mouth is closed and how they look in that photo
- I think his mouth would have been open perhaps- not closed like they are

3) Doesn't look like it would qualify as "Graphic"- as in R-rated post mortem photos. This doesn't qualify as a real graphic photo- it just looks like a mugshot that I could find on a "wanted" page

outofthedark
05-04-2006, 12:44 AM
I found a missing person who fits some of "Robert's" description- but far too many differences

Link: http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300080W

This guy was 26 when he went missing, I calculated his age as being 33 in 2001- 3 years more from the 30 years of the 20-30 yrs age range