Chandra Levy

[River]

Does anyone know any updates on this case? It seems so unfair that the Levy's still haven't gotten justice for their daughter!

[Charley]

What happened to the Jonbenet forum? I've been a way with my little boy who was hospitalized in another province....so I missed the old going and the new coming in. My email has also changed so how do I fix that with administration? Thanks

[Rubydoo67]

River,

Living in the area and being familiar with the area as well as DC law enforcement, (my Dad was on the force 30 years), I TRULY believe this is a mass cover-up orchestrated by the Condit camp............I believe the DC MPD were told in one way or another to "put a lid on it"............DC is 100% dependent upon Congress for everything, since it has no representation or any say really in it's own welfare, esp. financially.

There hasn't been any news coverage here of the case for a long time............tho many people have several theories and had "seen Condit" at suspicious places right around Chandra's disappearance........

I wish the Levy's could find some peace......

Rubydoo

[jsc0404]

Now sleezy Condit is suing the tabloids for over 200 million. Wow, it would be great if the case was opened and the DC cops are FORCED to take action. He could be very sorry that he opened this can of worms. Condit was the only one elated on 9/11 as it took the heat off of him. Imagine how Susan and Bob Levy feel.

[Newswolf]

This "psychic detective" Lysa Mateu discussed her input to police on Chandra's case today on Crier Live 1/14/04. She said a limo driver and 2 others Chandra didn't know killed her. That Condit "didn't say go kill her he said go take care of it". Talked about a missing bracelet and that she correctly named the park where Chandra was found long before the discovery. FWIW

[jsc0404]

Now Condit is suing the tabloids for ruining his reputation. He and he alone killed Chandra and I fully agree that the DC cops let it ride. Then came 9/11 and he was off the hook. PITIFUL.

[candy]

Condit is not even a suspect in the case. He and Lin Wood are suing the tabs for millions, and they will win because he was libeled by them.

[Trino]

Evidence shows Condit behaved strangely. What about the trip he took out of town? What about his wife (who rarely went to Washington) appearing? My personal beliefs are that Condit told someone to take care of Chandra, although, of course, I have no real evidence to back that claim.

The sad thing is that if the DC police have put a lid on the case, which seems very possible, it's kind of like the old days under Josef Stalin when someone would just disappear, and no one dared to ask. Have certain segments of our society come to this? Kind of makes you want to revisit the murders/suicide allegations connected to the Clinton administration, doesn't it?

[Pepper]

I agree that Condit knows more than he is saying. I've said it before on this forum (pre crashes) and I'll say it again. Condit didn't commit the act, but he let everyone around him know that Chandra was giving him grief, along with his wish that the "problem" would just disappear.

Furthermore, I believe that the DC cops intentionally bungled the investigation because it may have involved a Congressman. DC gets all of its funding by Congressional appropriation, hence they had a motive not to upset a potentially influential member of Congress. They didn't want to bite the hands that feed them.

I'll bet that to this day the key members of Condit's staff at the time were never interrogated or subjected to lie detector tests.

I feel for the Levys. They will never have the answer they deserve.

[nanandjim]

Agree that Condit is somehow involved. Sorry, her disappearance and murder were just a little too coincidental for me...

[Texana]

Agree that Condit is somehow involved. Sorry, her disappearance and murder were just a little too coincidental for me...

I couldn't agree more. He knows who did it, or he knows something key about it.

I saw the original clip of the police looking in the park--and they were mostly cadets looking--and I immediately said to Mr. Tex--"that is one pitiful job of looking." You could tell they had no more interest in finding her than -- well, pick your metaphor, but they weren't going to find her quickly."

There's something Gary Condit knows about her disappearance, and is not telling, and that something I truly believe is key to finding out what happened to her.

[Gummybear]

I have also long believed that Condit had something to do with Chandras death. These guys like to play around but when things get complicated they want to get rid of them in anyway possible. I also hope they reopen the investigation. If Condit thinks he got away with it once, who is to say he wouldnt do it again...many do.

[benn8]

There is still some dna evidence in the Chandra Levy case, but no one seems to want to look at it.

The dna would prove whether Condit told the truth to the FBI when he said that he did not know Jennifer Thomas, Otis Thomas's daughter, whom Otis said had an affair with Condit in 1994, if I remember my dates right, anyway it was about 7 years before Chandra disappeared.

The FBI interviewed Otis Thomas, but then eventually said that Otis lied. I don't know how they could tell if Otis lied, Jennifer Thomas had a son with the father's name withheld on the birth certificate. A dna paternity test could tell if Condit was or was not the father. If Condit is not the father he should welcome the test because a paternity test could prove with 100% accuracy that he is not the father.

The FBI could not locate Jennifer Thomas and never did interview her. While we definitely respect people's privacy nevertheless this is a murder case and Jennifer Thomas should co-operate with law authorities in telling them what she knows.

I have thought that the Stanislaus County law enforcement authorities could have done a better job than the FBI and the DC Police.

Why won't any law enforcement authorities make this paternity test of Jennifer Thomas's son? Granted, it is not a welcome subject for the principals involved, but how else can this case be solved if evidence is available but will not be looked at.

It is said that Chandra asked Condit about his supposed affair with Jennifer Thomas, and Chandra told her mother that Condit explained it all.

This was just before Chandra disappeared, so there may be something here that is being covered up. The Levy attorney is not digging into the case like a Geragos might do. The problem with Geragos is that he is on the wrong side.

Anyway I thought I would throw the dna paternity test of Jennifer Thomas's son out in the hope that someone might be able to figure out how to have it made. The only thing that seems to show up here is coverup.

benn8

[Trino]

There are a lot of unexplained things about the CL case, as well as Condit. There was damaging evidence in Condit's disappearance between the suspected time CL disappeared and the police report of her disappearance. Has anyone really documented where/why (especially WHY) Condit drove from Washington and where he went?

CL left everything behind. Strange. Could someone have entered her apartment and logged on to her computer as her?

What about the scream that was heard during the night?

What about Condit's strange reactions?

There are a lot of unanswered questions. There are also parents who it looks like will never know who killed their daughter.

Why isn't the case active?

[benn8]

There are a lot of unexplained things about the CL case, as well as Condit. There was damaging evidence in Condit's disappearance between the suspected time CL disappeared and the police report of her disappearance. Has anyone really documented where/why (especially WHY) Condit drove from Washington and where he went?<<<

Hello Trino, that is one part of the case I guess i have not looked at closely enough. If you go to www.justiceforchandra.com you might be able to find something there that would answer some of your questions.

>>>CL left everything behind. Strange. Could someone have entered her apartment and logged on to her computer as her?

What about the scream that was heard during the night?<<<

I think that the answers to both of your questions are that it is possible that someone used Chandra's computer, pretending to be her, and that the scream could have been Chandra. I don't think the answer to either of these questions is really necessary to solve the mystery of the crime. Just my personal thoughts.

What about Condit's strange reactions? <<<<

My interpretation of Condit's activity after Chandra disappeared is that he was a guilty man trying to act innocent. He could not run, so he tried attacking, attacking newspaper stories, attacking people who said anything against him. He is still doing that, suing people to act like he is innocent. He has not sued the NE book Sex Power and Murder, but maybe it was mentioned in the secret agreement that Carolyn Condit made with NE.

There are a lot of unanswered questions. There are also parents who it looks like will never know who killed their daughter.

Why isn't the case active?

I have tried to get it active. I post at www.justiceforchadra.com as you may have guessed.

I emailed Crime Solvers at the DC Police website. I got a reply back saying that they would contact me. I waited for them to contact me, but that never happened. I did not have any new news, but I had some ideas on some of what had already happened.

Again I wrote to the DA in Stanislaus County trying to get Chandra's hometown law enforcement involved in the case, but I did not receive any reply. I did get on the DA's email subscription list, but anyone can do that. They send out emails on prisoners going up for parole, etc. They sent out an announcement saying that they would no longer be sending out news about the Scott Peterson case, probably because it was moved.

I also sent an email to the FBI asking questions about the Otis Thomas story, that was said to be untrue. I did not get any reply.

I probably would not be writing anything here, but there may be some new articles coming out withing a month or so about the Chandra Levy investigation. Just what form the articles will take I don't know. I probably should not even be mentioning this yet. Whatever comes out will attempt to be informational, but if it will be informational enough we won't know until it is published. This obviously is something that will be put out by some of us amateurs, not something from any media or law enforcement agencies.

All I can do is pray that the information, in whatever format it is written in, will be enough to warm up the case.

benn8

[candy]

Benn, you're wonderful to write so many people. Trust me, it does help.

Do you think that the DC police didn't want the Modesto Police to be involved because Gary Condit's brother was on the Modesto Police force?

[benn8]

Benn, you're wonderful to write so many people. Trust me, it does help.

Do you think that the DC police didn't want the Modesto Police to be involved because Gary Condit's brother was on the Modesto Police force?

candy, I don't know what the DC police motive was. I guess you know that Burl Condit was in a serious automobile accident. I did not read a followup on his story, I will have to look for one.

benn8

[candy]

Hi Benn,

Yes, I had read that story on the accident involving Condit's brother. That's the first time I had heard he had a brother in the MPD.

Keep up the great work Benn! We need to know who killed Chandra. It's terrible that this case has not been solved.

[Sprocket]

It was a sad loss, when the "whereschandra" web site went down. There were some phenominal sleuthers there, specifically "rd" (my favorite) who, actually went and checked out where Condit made that midnite phone call from a pay phone to the other mistress, telling her is might have to disappear for a while or alluding to that.....from what I can vaguely remember, it was in a National Park, poorly lit area, a bit off the beathen path, and well over an hours drive away from DC.

Maybe one day Chandra will have as many champions as JonBenet has.....maybe, one day....Edited to add, I just went to the site mentioned above, not knowing about it, and rd is there! Nice to find him!

[benn8]

Hello Sprocket, I received an automatic email last night saying that someone had replied here, but then I got sidetracked and did not get back here right away. I was on whereschandra for a while, not as long as many there. I don't remember what I was doing in between, I was at modbee until it shut down. Most of the Chandra sites eventually shut down, except www.justiceforchandra.com which started up.

I have never been to Rock Creek Park, which must be right in Washington. Early news stories in 2001 said that Condit used to ride to Rock Creek Park on his......Harley?.....no, he said he did not have a motorcycle in Washington.....he rode to the park on his bicycle.

I think rd would be glad to see you check in at his site. We discuss other things besides the Chandra case, but a lot of the discussion is about what happened to Chandra. We need all the help we can get.

benn8

[Camper]

I too posted under another hat on the Wheres Chandra site.

I sent approximately three tidbits to the DC police department as well. I did get the typical thanks for your email ya da ya da, on two of my efforts.

I do believe that there is some connection between Chandra and Joyce Chiangs murders.

In the missing poster of Joyce that was distributed, she was wearing a very unique and beautiful necklace, that looked quite expensive. I do believe that the source of that bit of jewelry could have been traced. Also the date her picture was taken to tie in her association with Mr. C. They worked in close proximity in their duties. Joyce was an attorney for Imigration. I had always additionally thought that she may have had information or knowledge of improperly admitted 'terrorist' types. The terrorist types that came to attend school in America, and had their visas or whatever the okay paperwork - and then they never registered to attend ANY college!!!!!!!!!!

I do indeed believe the name of the game is 'Professional Coverup'.

I am reading "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy. It is now out of print, but I found a copy. Talk about COVERUP. He was found with a gunshot in his mouth, and small amount of blood, indicating that he was already dead when he was shot. Neatly laid out with arms at each side. Shot with a gun his family said was not his. Shot with a gun made up of parts of two and perhaps three different guns, with two serial numbers dating back to '1913' This is just a small sampling of the factual information that Christopher Ruddy turned up, incredible!!!!!!!! Boatloads of Arkansas folks involved in lots of suspicious activities following the discovery of Foster's body.

I am happy to know there is still a website for Chandra, will have to check it out. God bless her family.

There is an old saw, that a leopard never changes his spots. A great big hmmm for Mr. C.

Another interesting tidbit, Clinton was appearing on LKL the night Foster's body was found.

[benn8]

Sorry to hear about your loss Camper. I think I did send my initial contact and response with the SHE link in a private message to you. Since the message was sent privately to me I did not think that I should post it here.

I am not too used to using the private messages here. I guess I will be able to find what I sent to you somewhere here. I did buy Pat Brown's book KILLING FOR SPORT, Inside the Minds of Serial Killers. I bought a new copy but now that I know a little more about Amazon.com's used book department I think I may go that way from now on. I don't know if Brown's book is so useful for here. She is writing about Serial Killers.

I did like the last two pages of the book. If Brown does profiling for police departments she must have a lot of contact with policemen. Here is what she writes near the very end of the book.

"If the police aren't doing a good job handling a sexual homicide in your community, make a whole lot of noise. When your neighbors get raped and murdered, you should never let the police rest until justice is served. Don't just forget about the crime a week later and assume it's being investigated and by doing so ignore reality. Support the family of the victim by helping them see that the crime is solved and by rallying the community behind them. Make it clear to government officials and law enforcement that the cirizens expect truth, justice, and public safety."

That is a little long, but it seems to the point. I have tried to make a noise in many places but without much result of any kind. We need more noisemakers.,

benn8

[blueclouds]

What a coincidence. I just picked up that book Vincent foster at a garage sale and have been meaning to get reading it. Now I will. Sorry about your loss Camper hugs to you.

[candy]

Hi Benn,

Please don't think all your wonderful work has been without effect. The police as you know are often maddingly quiet, but it doesn't mean they don't pay attention to people like you bringing good information and ideas out. They do. We just don't know about it. I'll make some noise too, everyone should.

[benn8]

Hello candy, it is difficult to know if we are doing any good sometimes. As for the Chandra Levy case there ae a lot of people who don't want to get involved. I guess that applies to all cases, a lot of people don't want to get involved. But it isn't always easy to know how to get involved.

I guess we all need each other. If one person comes up with a good idea we can all use it Thanks for writing to me.
benn8

[benn8]

As I have written in other messages I am always wondering why the Otis Thomas story has been completely erased from the Chronology of the Chandra case, so that no mention is made of it at all. Perhaps this is in consideration for the Thomases.

In looking at an old ModBee article yestereday written by Mike Doyle I looked at the Chonology, or timeline, given at the end of the article, and I sent Mike an email asking him about that.

He replied this morning, saying that he did not know exactly--maybe I should just quote him so as to not misquote him.

>>>>I'm not sure why the Otis Thomas element is out of the chronology, as I did
>not put it together. However, I would guess that because he retracted what
>had been very controversial charges, the newspaper's position was that the
>issue was not deserving of notice.
>
>Mike<<<

I sent Mike a followup reply and thanked him and said that I would contact the ModBee and ask them. Anyway this takes part of the Otis Thomas story discussion away from trying to ask the FBI and instead just trying to ask the ModBee, or any other newspaper that does not include the Otis Thomas story.

I think that maybe it is left out in consideration for the Thomases, but there is also the consideration for Chandra and her family to be thought of. Anybody who is interested in this subject could also write to the ModBee, or any other newspaper, asking them why the Otis Thomas story is omitted. Good luck. I am going to write today, or tomorrow.

benn8

[benn8]

I happened to be searching for something yesterday on the web and came across attorney Lin Wood's website. Lin Wood, of course is Gary Condit's attorney handling his lawsuits.

http://www.linwoodlaw.com/

If you go there you can click for details of the Gary Condit v The National Enquirer case, on the front page of the website. You can download the whole case, 45 pages, in Adobe Acrobat.

Maybe that case is already listed somewhere here, but I have not seen it, so I guess it will not hurt to include it here.

benn8

[benn8]

Hello. I am sorry to see that I am the last one to post here on the Chandra Levy murder investigation. There is a little news now, not about the case, but about a book scheduled to come out about May 1, or shortly thereafter.

The book is being self-published and will probably be seen everywhere that self-published books are advertised. Here is the name, if that does not get changed.

"Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy"

Here is the link for that thread at the Chandra website where I post. If that does not work just go to www.justiceforchandra.com and that will give a link to the thread.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2017&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Nothing new in the book, but it may revive some interest in the case. rd the owner of the website is the author, using citations from many many sources.

Now I can see a possible snafu in getting the book into print, but that probably will not happen.

In the meantime here is something that I have written about the case. We should not give up on the case just because many people have. I realize that there are a lot of other things going on also.

I am quoting myself here:

"Time allows some reassessment of past events. When Congressman Gary Condit's constituents finally became an informed electorate, having learned of many of the things that their Congressman had been doing but concealing from them, at their first opportunity they voted him out of office."

benn8

[Camper]

http://www.unsolved.com/0206-Chiang.html

Part of the article on this link includes this information
"Following her internship, Joyce took a job as a lawyer at the INS. She lived with her brother Roger in the Dupont Circle area of Washington D.C. Chandra
Levy would later move to the same neighborhood'

Also from this same link "To many, similarities between the two were chilling. They both worked for a congressman at one time. Joyce worked for
Representative Berman, who's office was adjacent to Representative Condit's'

From another link - http://www.amw.com/site/archives/19990123/jchiang.html this information is gleaned "Authorities say that Chiang, a lawyer who works
for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, was dropped off by a friend in the Dupont Circle area of Washington, D.C.on January 9, 1999 around 8:20
p.m"

From this link - http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/19/wbr.00.html this information is gleaned "And as a member of the House Intelligence
Committee, Congressman Gary Condit has access to the nation's top secrets.

Joyce Chiang dissappeared January 9, 1999
Chandra Levy dissappeared May 2001

My question is this, could it have been possible that Joyce found improprieties while working as a conscientious lawyer for the Imigration and Naturalization
department, and since her office was next door to Condits, that she approached Condit with this information and was made to dissappear?

Additionally since Chandra Levy was intent on finding improprieties in the prison system as well, and may have voiced this concern to Condit as well, then she was
made to dissappear?

Just a few short months after Chandra went missing, came September 11, 2001, and the heat was off of our Mr. Condit, I find this interesting as well. Then we have the story that a quite large number of Osamas relatives were allowed to leave the U.S.A. a day or so BEFORE September 11, 2001

I sit and rock in my little rocking chair and contemplate how convenient all of these happenings seemed to be, for our Mr. Condit. I also wonder HOW and WHO gave the message to Osamas relatives to Get Outta Dodge a big Hmmm for me.

Since I am in charge of nothing in particular, my thoughts may have no meaning whatsoever. My mind keeps coming back to the same ole questions that bother me big time.

Wonder if the Thomas daughter was paid off handsomely or if she gets support or hush money for the little innocent child?

[benn8]

Hello Camper, I am getting more interested in the Joyce Chiang murder--if it was a murder. I look foreward to the Chandra Levy case getting into court, and then I will probably concentrate on Chiang, and there was an intern in Florida who was found dead in her Congressman's office, and also a couple of other interns from California showed up dead in Washington, DC.

Right now I look for the solution to the Levy case to come from the political angle. All of law enforcement seems to have mummed up, possibly because they just don't have anything new to say. The media is also quiet on Levy, but this was a murder of a young lady who was dating a Congressman. What do politicians understand? Voters. The police understand voters also. All of us understand voters in some way or another. When the heat gets on, then maybe a few people will talk.

Right now the new book Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy, is on schedule for around May 1. There are now ISBN numbers for the book. They are: 0-595-66433-4 for hardcover, 0-595-31847-9 for paperback, and 0-595-76658-7 for eBook.

Maybe we can generate enough heat so that suddenly law enforcement, and the media, will start saying, "fire, fire, fire." Then there will be some legal proceedings, and not all of that "rumour" language from the DC police.

benn8

[Camper]

When the governmental good ole boys network is in full operation I predict nothing will be discovered, identified, presented or brought to justice. Just two beautiful women who used their heads in discovery, and were taken out to shut them up, and to continue with business as usual.

I don't know what the answer is to finding the murderer or murderers.

If you have not read, please read "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy. We find Vincent lying on his back perfectly gently placed, after supposedly firing a gun into his mouth(not his gun)(a gun made from parts from two different guns, dating back to 1800.) Two official reports stating two different locations where his body was found. These are just two of the vastly wild and wonderful mis conclusions relating to his death.

Nopey nope donut think this case will ever be solved, two many clam mouthed good ole boys, who wish to be re-elected. Heard a gentleman on the radio the other day, telling how shenanigans by underlings had led our presidents down the garden path since Franklin Roosevelt. The gentleman was raving on and on and making some excellent points, and ending up saying, "There are not enough telephone polls in America, on which to hang all of these men."

Most likely Washington DC police have been written out of the script for solving this case or any other case involving governmental groupies/entities of a high elected caliber.

I maintain that the World Trade Center was involved in both of these young womens murders. That is my opinion in putting one and one together and getting this strange total.

[Camper]

in the current Globe. I hardly ever pick this tab up.

Consider this, that Joyce Chiang was in a perfect position to become aware of the terrorists with student visas attending flight schools in AMerica. The article points to the year 2000 in regard to this and builds up to the time 9/11 happened. Joyce's dead body was found in 1999, hmmm.

Now then WHO would Joyce Chiang have told of her suspicions of this information that she MAY have found during her duties with imigration information? Would she have told Condit, who was privy to national security information? Would he have deep sixed it, either through stupidity, OR might there have been another reason. (This is all speculation on my part as to whether she had this information or not and or who she would have told.)

The Globe article points to a Minneapolis FBI office agent who had firm information about what was happening. A must read, I am not going to print info on here, if anyone cares enough to seek it out and read it, good.

[benn8]

Camper, I thought that Joyce Chiang worked for a time for a Congressman right across the hall from Condit's office. I am not certain that Condit was into secrets much, except for his own activities.

Joyce has a brother still living, and he might be receptive to receiving letters about Joyce. I have not looked at the case that close as yet. Jennifer Baker did not know that Chandra was dating Condit, and Flammini did not know either that Chandra was dating Condit. Condit could have dated girls who disappeared and no one ever connected them to Condit.

Just my opinion.

benn8

[Camper]

They were all from California, Joyce, Condit and the person she worked for, I dis remember whether it was a congressman or what his job was in the government. But to even think that they did not all know each other is remote. As I recall their offices were side by side.

So much time has elapsed, since I was hot on Joyce's murder, that I cannot rant on too much about details.

Who and how would you relate suspicious information to on matters vital to national security? Especially if you worked next to someone who had connections to check things out?? My ordinary common sense tells me one thing, but how would you relate this type of information?

Was her job as an attorney for the INS, to check out and make sure suspicious persons were actually 'registered for classes' on their student visas?

Would she have done this on her own, or could information have been given to her? More questions than answers, and it would appear that no real digging was done, to find answers for her death. IMOP.

[benn8]

Camper, I do not buy into the school of thought that points to secret government activities as being the reason for many missing persons. I look at the plain old personal relationships as being the cause of most of the missing people.

Of course you can work on the government intrigue, but I look for more simple answers.

benn8

[Camper]

Please drag over any posts that I have made and copy them right here on this thread, where I have indicated 'government intrigue' and massive numbers of missing people!

I only point to two very attractive and above average intelligent women who had direct contact with Condit, who indeed have been murdered.

You have either misquoted me, or have been mistaken about my focus.

Mr. Condit had a habit of bedding a number of females. Mr. Condit was a married man. Mr. Condit had two children. Mr. Condit held security matters of America in his hands.

You did not answer my question as to HOW YOU WOULD report suspicious imigration activities that you had privy to, IF IF you had been Ms. Chiang.

[benn8]

Camper I am not trying to misinterpret what you believe, but you have said yourself that Condit had a problem with extra marital relationships. I don't think Condit had any immigration problems, but you can think that if you want to.

I will try to research what I think is most important, and anyone else can research what they think is most important. Maybe someone will get the right answers.

benn8

[Camper]

Your post says: " I don't think Condit had any immigration problems, but you can think that if you want to.


==============<><

I NEVER said that Condit had imigration problems, He is an American born person.

Indeed we can believe anything we wish. However the fact remains, that imop, the Washington DC police department was taken out of the investigation loop.

ANYONE is free to read Vincent Foster's book, "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster', to understand how investigations involving important DC personages play out, particulary when 'unsolved murders' are involved.

I prefer not to do battle with an unarmed person. If you would go through what I went through to obtain a copy of Foster's book, and read it, then and only then will I continue this thread duel.

[benn8]

We have no duel. I will see if my library has the book.

We need all the ammunition we can get.

[benn8]

Well Condit v. Dunne is back in the news again. The judge has said that Condit can continue his case against Dunne.

Here are some comments I made to a new message board that I found at KGO radio. I don't know if they are strong on message boards. They do have a very active radio talk show program schedule.

Here is what I wrote:

http://boards.abcnews.go.com/cgi/KGO
/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=kgo_
news&id=61117&move=prev

ABC7 News Talk
Do you have a comment about one of the stories you read on abc7news.com or saw on ABC7 News? Share your thoughts about the story with other viewers. Make sure to put the web address of the story in your post so that others know which story you're referring to.

I am commenting on this KGO story:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/
042704ap_nw_condit_case.html

Condit Case Against Magazine Writer To Proceed<<<

Is that good news, or bad news, for former Congressman Gary Condit?

One article at findlaw.com some time back said that Condit should withdraw his case, that discovery at the proceedings might be detrimental to him.

>>>WHY OUTGOING CONGRESSMAN GARY CONDIT IS VERY UNWISE TO SUE AUTHOR DOMINICK DUNNE FOR LIBEL
By JULIE HILDEN
julhil@aol.com
----
Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002
Found at http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden
/20021224.html<<<

Another article at Findlaw.com said that Condit should pursue his case.

>>>By John W. Dean
FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Friday, January 31, 2003 Posted: 3:36 PM EST (2036 GMT)
Story Tools<<<

Found at .http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01
/31/findlaw.analysis.dean.condit/

So there are two opinions about the same lawsuit.

In the meantime if you are a California resident and go to Washington, D.C. and get murdered you might not get very good treatment from law enforcement there.

Chandra Levy, who disappeared on May 1, 2001 was considered to be a missing person, but it took law enforcement 11 weeks before they searched the apartment of Congressman Gary Condit, her intimate friend. That is not the normal practice in missing person cases with a close intimate friend, if I have heard correctly. The police may have asked for a search warrant earler but the DA did not turn the request in to the judge Police Chief Ramsey said something to that effect. Anyway the police did not have a search warrant and could not remove pants that they wanted to take with them from Condit's apartment.

On July 30, 2001 Paul Katz, Chandra's uncle, said on the Larry King Live show that the police knew and the Levys knew that Chandra had keys to Condit's apartment. Even so Connie Chung when she interviewed Condit on TV in August did not ask Condit if Chandra had keys to his apartment. No interviewer that I could find asked Condit if Chandra had keys to his apartment.

Chandra's remains were held a long time in Washington, but the three forensic experts who were working pro bono for the Levy family were not allowed to examine the remains with powerful microscopes.

In the search for Chandra the DC police turned down offers from trained volunteer searchers with dogs to help search for Chandra. The DC police also sent a Stanislaus County law enforcement officer home who was sent to Washington to help look for Chandra.

At one time early on Rep. Gary Condit said that it was not proper to be talking about the investigation. A missing persons case and people should not be discussing it?

Oh well, we will see who was right, Julie Hilden, or James Dean.

benn865

Posted: 6:01 AM, 4/28/2004

Murder on a Horse Trail, The Disappearance of Chandra Levy.

I have the book.
benn8

[benn8]

River Administrator,
>>> Chandra Levy
Does anyone know any updates on this case? It seems so unfair that the Levy's still haven't gotten justice for their daughter!<<<

Hello River, well there is no justice yet, but there are a couple of small developments. The Levys have a new lawyer. That was in the news story from the Washington Post May 1 that was sort of an update on the Levy story. The lawyers name is Steve Mandell, but we don't have an address for him. He may have an office in Southern California. Steve Mandell has a spokesperson.

>>>Susan Anthony. a spokeswoman for the Levy family's new attorney, Steve Mandell, the family is "certainly trying not to be in the limelight."<<<

There is another development and that is the publication of the book I mentioned in my last message. "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," by Ralph Daugherty the owner of the www.justiceforchandra.com website is now available from iUniverse.com in an ebook, and in paperback and hard cover editions. The book should be in other book stores soon.

I like the book. Of course I am prejudiced since I post at www.justiceforchandra.com, but I think it is good even if I am biased. It is only the second book out about Chandra's disappearance. There is a lot of material in the book, most of it taken from the files of the Justice for Chandra website, and from the WheresChandraLevy.com website that closed down.

It may be hard to get the book out into the public eye, which would be good for the case, if the book does start getting read.

The ebook is a good buy, about $6.00, which is about the cost of shipping on the paperback book, and maybe a little more on the hardcover book. You can order the ebook online, or on the telephone, download it, and be reading it in a couple of hours or so. I had a little trouble with the latest Adobe Reader, but I phoned iUniverse and they helped me out on that. Someone wrote about phoning to buy the book, the hard cover, and he said "nice people."

Well, have to go. I won't be back here unless someone starts posting here. lol

benn8

[benn8]

I don't have anything new about the Chandra Levy case, and still days go by and isn't there something new each day. The new book (only the second one about the Chandra case) came out in April, "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," by Ralph Daugherty, a computer programmer and also owner of www.justiceforchandra.com.

The book brings up a lot of questions, but to date we have not succeeded in getting anyone to try to answer them. Of course the author is supposed to do that, but all supporters of a just solution to the Chandra case would somehow like to lend a hand.

I bought the paperback book, and also an ebook version. I had a few trials with the ebook version until I learned how to make it work. Because I know how to make it work does not mean that it is going to keep working.

That is just like this Cold Case here, we can not expect things to happen, we have to go out and try to make them happen.

I have been writing to people about the book. I don't have the cash to be giving books away. Anyone who wants to can drop over to www.justiceforchandra.com and read some of the posts there about the book. We also have something new there. You can post a message there in the guest section without signing up as a member. We are really a small site over there, and not in competition with anyone, except the bad guys.

I think the odds have got to change. As the book gets more distribution, and more information becomes known to more people, at least a few people are going to get interested, and maybe some day a key player will suddenly express a few thoughts on this case.

Praise God.

[vicktor]

Chandra Levy was likely killed while walking or jogging in the Wash. DC park. Since young women who are alone and not near others aren't usually found in populous DC, the park would be a perfect place for an atttacker to go. Of the millions of people out there who are involved in affairs with married people some will end up being killed ( and some like Amber Frey will be a murder suspect's girlfriend). Despite endless conspiracy theories, Condit likely had nothing to do with her untimely death.

[benn8]

Hello vicktor, well at least you answered my message. I may be a little slow in replying. Not too many people at Websleuths are posting messages about the Chandra Levy case right now.

Ralph Daugherty, author of "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," visited Rock Creek Park and the area where Chandra's remains were found at least once. He makes some first hand remarks in the book from his own research and experience in the park.

A lot of people have the same opinion that you have expressed, but I am looking more at the person whom I think is the main suspect. One reason I am looking at him is that he seems to be unable to talk since Chandra disappeared. Also everything that he did and said was not investigated thoroughly. For example, the Otis Thomas story has been eliminated from almost all timelines. The FBI was very interested in the story to begin with, but then I don't know what happened. They could not find Otis Thomas's daughter to interview her.

I won't write too much here. I just put in a long post at Google last night. They take a little while to get posted. You might be able to find it there, but I use a different user name there, Nocodemus or Noco43.

Condit lived a life of deception all, or most, or his years in Congress. I do not know what year he started dating women other than his wife, that may have been from day one. That was something he could not reveal to his voters. When his voters found that he was concealing information from them (his secret private affairs), at their first opportunity--the next election--they voted him out of office. That seems to indicate that if the voters had known sooner about Condit's activities that he was concealing from them that they would have voted him out sooner. Condit evidently took the secrecy of his affairs very seriously, because to lose his secrecy might be to lose his career in Congress.

Chandra became an obsticle to his career, wanting to marry him, and also accidently revealing his name to her aunt Linda Zambsky (or Katz). Strange that the DC Police termed so much information as Rumors.

When Chandra disappeared Condit may not have known that Chandra had accidently revealed his name to her aunt, but her question to him about Jennifer Thomas must have brought warning signals to him. Condit may have thought that Chandra's disappearance would rid him of secrecy problems, but Chandra had talked to her family, and Linda Zambsky revealed to the world that Chandra had been dating Rep. Gary Condit.

About three weeks after Chandra told her mother that "he explained it all," Chandra disappeared. I am wondering why Chandra would not have said that "he said that the Otis Thomas story was a lie." Instead Chandra said "he explained it all," which is a little vague.

Anyway the FBI quieted that story down fast when they could have investigated it more.

Gotta go. Murder on a Horse Trail does not solve the murder, but it gives a lot of information that can be used to look at the case longer and more carefully.

The book is beginning to sell, but a self published book does not always take off in sales right away, if at all.

The ebook version is the least expensive $6.00 downloadable from the publisher iUniverse.com. I had a few problems with Adobe, but I learned what to do, and IUniverse helped me out by sending another link to the book when I had somehow damaged the first link. An ebook is word searchable which makes it interesting.

Regards, benn8

[Jade]

I thought that Connie Chung blew the interview with Condit. I must be the only one because news reports said how great –she was so tough. I felt she could have used more finesse. She put him on the defensive and that is no way to get information to slip out.

My Mom lived in the District and it is a study in contrast so powerful and wealthy yet so poor and seedy, so magnificent but so miserable. The water was not fit to even brush your teeth with, the infrastructure was poorly maintained, it’s mayor was corrupt and you could leave a lush embassy party and see someone eating out of a trash can in front. Make no mistake it is a very dangerous place with a high crime rate. Many unstable people have traveled to DC attracted to the center of government that often figures in their delusions.

Rock Creek Park is lovely. Too bad a wooded area has to be looked at as cover for a predator or street people instead of a wildlife habitat or place of pleasant seclusion.

That all said Condit is sneaky and a liar and showed an astonishing lack of compassion for if nothing else one of his constituents which leaves him open to suspicion. IMO

[benn8]

Jade, I hope you get a chance to read "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy." With the National Enquirer book about Chandra my local library has a copy in every branch library, but the NE book was a less expensive book.

I don't know what the solution is to get the book out into the public eye. It is sort of a specialiy book, and people have to do a certain type of reading to want to buy a copy of Murder on a Horse Trail.

benn8

[rd_jfc]

Hi benn and Jade and Viktor,

I saw some comments here on the Chandra case and registered to post here at Websleuths. My site at www.justiceforchandra.com is pretty specialized so its great to have more people here able to see and comment on Chandra's case, as I see from the number of active viewers at websleuths.com.

I hope to be able to pass on something from my experience in writing Murder on a Horse Trail:The Disappearance of Chandra Levy. We can post away here whether you've seen the book or not. I'll quote from it when it helps.

I think the most important thing is to deal with the common perception that Viktor, and for some reason it is usually men, express concerning Chandra being an all too common victim in a park. The rest is irrelevant if it is reasonable and likely that the cause of her murder was being in a secluded park alone.

One of the goals of my book is to show how that is not only not likely, but nearly unbelievable. I wish everyone could not only know the circumstances under which Chandra disappeared, not having a ticket home, telling her landlord a couple days prior to wait till the next day after she disappeared before she would be able to tell him when she was leaving, and in the midst of that uncertainty supposedly hiking for miles on a rough dirt and rock horse trail up into a lonely secluded mountaintop primevial forest that would spook the hardiest of you were to you to make that hike and videotape it.

I saw two couples with their dogs on an entire Friday afternoon in those woods where she was found. What has not been clearly explained is that she was found down the side of a steep hill below a picnic area where you can pull your car or horse trailer back into the woods to unload. In other words, it was an ideal spot to dump a body and an unbelievable spot to find a lone woman alive.

Also usually overlooked are two crime scene situations that are tell tale indications of being murdered by someone she knew: her body was found hundreds of feet down a steeply slanted and very difficult to traverse hillside, yet a hillside with too many trees for the body to roll there, and her insignia ring with 'CL' and her gold bracelet recently given her by Condit were missing but not found pawned anywhere. That is every indication of someone hiding her body and trying to make it look like a robbery, because they couldn't follow through as in a real robbery of a deadbeat drifter and pawn the jewelry. That's a dead giveaway.

The words jog in a park are easy to say and visualize. Replace jog in a park with a vertical climb up a mountain on a rough horse trail for half a mile in the deep solitude of a national forest and it is not a vision any woman would believe took place by another woman alone, without a cell phone, without her pepper spray, without so much as anything from her wallet, with nothing but the keys to her apartment, also missing. And with no id, only someone who knew her would know what door those keys unlocked.

Ralph Daugherty
author, Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy

[benn8]

Hello ralph, it is good that maybe there can be more discussion here about the Chandra Levy case. I posted on a news group today that more Legwork is needed in the Chandra Levy case. We can do some of the legwork here, but it is the police and the media who will have to do more legwork also, because they have the authority and the crime labs, etc.

Legwork is what made the old Dragnet policemen good policemen, plenty of legwork.

I am a little puzzled about Chandra's gold bracelet. Would she have been wearing her gold bracelet while jogging alone in the park? That does not seem too likely.

More likely she would have worn her gold bracelet if she was meeting someone whom she knew and was going to be with them. She would not have ran over to the park to meet someone. They would have met her at her apartment, or close by.

Carolyn was in town so Chandra would not have met Condit at his apartment. That leaves a question hanging, and I will let it hang here for anybody else to comment on who wants to.

If Condit did not meet Chandra outside of her apartment, and he could have, who else might have picked up Chandra in a car at her apartment to take her to a rendezvous?

As an older person I will just make one comment about our younger generations of today. I think they are a little too trusting.

benn8

[Camper]

I am intriqued by your appearance here rd, Ralph, I followed this case for substantial time, then became disallusioned by the non results coming from the DC PD.

Tell me, do you cover extensive information on our 'prime' suspect Mr. Condit?

For example did you determine the factual aspects of 'his' requirement that none ? of his female daliances carry personal identification during their 'times' with him?

Also did you ever note the unusual quality of the necklace that Joyce Chiang wore in her missing poster pictures. I thought it to be high quality jewelry that a 'friend' might have given to her. Also that the piece itself could have been tracked to the jewelry shop where it was purchased? Perhaps the same shop where the watch was purchased for a different friend of Condits, by Condit. I thought the piece so unusual that I actually made a duplicate of it for myself. All I have is speculation and observation, and reading and hearing information on the murders.

Additional thought, of course the necklace could have been given to her by a friend, or could have been a birthday gift, or ?? but it was not a run of the mill discount store piece of jewelry imop.

I do of course think, that there had in fact been a 'close' connection between Joyce and Mr. Condit.

One last question why do you feel that the police searches were not effective? Did they use bloodhounds, do you know in their searches for Chandra.

I shall get your book, I have three books in line first to read, and I am a slow reader, because of my 'real life' not enough time to sit and read steadily.

[rd_jfc]

Well, I am here because benn got a conversation going about Chandra's case and there are some sharp people here, and as he says that is a good thing. I believe I delve into every aspect of discussions we had on the various crime boards on Chandra's case in the last three years, of course the majority of the discussions taking place that summer.

Murder on a Horse Trail presents information and analysis on all aspects of her disappearance but leaves the questions for the reader to ponder. I tried to write this true crime as a murder mystery. We will see how well readers accept that, as it is neither a fanciful murder mystery wrapped up with a bow tie ending nor a police procedural ending in a conviction. It is more a police non-procedural wrapped up in mystery.

I think the veteran posters such as yourself will be pleased at how all the details you wonder about are covered and presented as part of understanding what happened, and in fact some key points in the book were provided from some internet posts. Larry King, Greta, Dateline, and Geraldo provide the dialogue for the story, and the real investigative reporting provided by Allan Lengel, Michael Doyle, and Niles Lathem. I add my analysis of recreating her last day by looking at what was found on her computer and describing the trek on the horse trail.

I mention the circumstances of Joyce Chiang's disappearance in the book, but didn't go into her murder in depth. There's definitely a story there though.

benn, asking who could have driven her there dead or alive is one question, but I think another way to ask that is, who was close to Chandra and what is their alibi for when she disappeared Tuesday afternoon? I look into that in depth in the book.

rd

[rd_jfc]

<i>Camper wrote:

One last question why do you feel that the police searches were not effective? Did they use bloodhounds, do you know in their searches for Chandra.

I shall get your book, I have three books in line first to read, and I am a slow reader, because of my 'real life' not enough time to sit and read steadily.</i>


In the chapter Rock Creek Park I point out several reasons the searches were ineffective, starting with the FBI not getting back to the DC police with what was on Chandra's computer for two and a half months. If your daughter or loved one were missing and the police couldn't even determine what was on her computer as a clue where to look for two and half months, you would have to wonder why that is. If your daughter was the girlfriend of a Congressman and she disappeared in Washington, DC and the FBI were the ones who couldn't tell you what was on her computer, then incompetence can't help but blur into conspiracy.

The DC police also refused help from search teams with dogs and ordered the Modesto police to turn over any information they had and to not investigate. It appears that the search in Rock Creek Park as wel as the search of Condit's apartment around the same time were nothing more than public relations exercises meant to make people go away and leave Washington to be Washington, home of diplomatic immunity for more than foreign diplomats.

Thanks, let me know what you think of Murder on a Horse Trail when you get a chance to read it. Only three books to go, and you're a slow reader? It'll be awhile. :)

rd

[Camper]

IF you have not read the book "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy it appears that your and my assessment of the foot dragging techniques by 'Investigating Washington DC bodies' is a well taught and learned ability.
This book is very difficult to find, you just about have to 'know someone' or make dozens of querys to find 'it'

rd, you posted,
Thanks, let me know what you think of Murder on a Horse Trail when you get a chance to read it. Only three books to go, and you're a slow reader? It'll be awhile.

rd

I will not be slow in getting it and it will be in my pile soon.

[rd_jfc]

Wonderful. Thanks much, camper.

rd

[benn8]

rd, I will have to look again in the book about that close friend of Chandra's. What I am wondering is what kind of friends did the friend have. After all a Congressman can have many different friends.

Oops, I just let that slip out there.

Camper, you may be the best detective here. I did not get your Vincent Foster book yet, a snafu at the library, my snafu. Amazon.com probably has it, and I will look there. I don't like to have to read a book in a hurry. It is easier to read a used book.

benn8

[Rubydoo67]

Hi Camper and all,

I live in the DC area and also feel it's a shame that this horrible murder was brushed under the rug.

IMHO, initially the police were actively investigating this crime. They staked out Condit's apt. They questioned many people, they basically said they believed that no "homeless person" or "stranger" had abducted her. For whatever reason, all this was backed off of when the remains were found. The finding of the remains was also weird.............many people think the remains were moved there a long time after she was killed.............

Rock Creek park is a beautiful park, full of hiking, bike riders and joggers. For the # of people there, it's not that common to have a mugging or anything like that. They do happen but no more so than anything other park. Rock Creek park is HUGE! Plus, I believe the place where Chandra's remains were found is VERY far off the beaten path.

I vaguely remember it being reported that Condit had secretly travelled overnight to Luray Cavern's area (in VA., about a few hours from DC) and was spotted making a phone call from a McD's parking lot?? Does anyone remember that?

There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?

Personally, I think this is a political coverup........DC is governed by Congress and has no rights, representation of it's own. Solely relies on Congress for just about everything.........

I do believe Condit has a hand in this somehow.

Rubydoo

[Camper]

You posted in part,
""The finding of the remains was also weird.............many people think the remains were moved there a long time after she was killed............""

Oh Ruby, this is interesting, since Chandra's murder had a governmental twist to it. In the Vincent Foster book, there was NOT enough blood where they found his body, to indicate that he was 'shot' on the spot where he was found. Therefore the 'thinker' in me speculates that he was also 'moved' to a new location. How quaint!

Can you elaborate on the part of your post that says, ""many people think, body moved"", etc.
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""Rock Creek park is HUGE! Plus, I believe the place where Chandra's remains were found is VERY far off the beaten path.""

As I recall Condit lived quite near the park. I cannot remember with clarity now, but did he not have access to the park headquarters by way of his governmental office held? As I recall the office was closed on the day, she disappeared, so no one would have been there. My memory is dim on this now.

""I vaguely remember it being reported that Condit had secretly travelled overnight to Luray Cavern's area (in VA., about a few hours from DC) and was spotted making a phone call from a McD's parking lot?? Does anyone remember that?""

Yes I remember that, I donut remember what his explanation for that was, or IF IF there was one. I do seem to think the little guy from his office that accompanied him when he dumped a McD container with the olde watch box, of the watch he had given another paramour, has had some involvement in some of this. Memorable, but I cannot remember that 'aides ?' name.

As I recall to travel to Luray Caverns a person most likely passes a governmental ?, toxic dump area. I also vaguely recall a 'cabin' in a remote area that was used by someone in government ?, this was dug up, written in the media, when real estate offices were contacted about rentals in that area. As I write this now it does seem ODD about how that information reared its head. Hmmm.

Something that came to mind was the weekend party with Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopecne sp? that had a larger group of attendees. Donut know that anything even remotely resembles that type of activity in Chandras case. Humans are so similar, history may have repeated itself there, in some fashion, we know that a dead girl happened in both instances, whatever the Chandra 'instance' was. I donut know.

The DC police and all of the 'professional governmental investigators' ended up with ZERO, or so it would seem.

""There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?""

I do remember he had a brother with a dubious problem, as I recall he had been in police work, then booted out or something, cannot recall 'detail' of that information. Also I do not remember ever hearing that bro was in DC at that time, I find that interest also.

I would love to hear more from you on things you remember about the case. I did send several bits of my 'wise' speculative thoughts to DCPD, and did receive thank you responses. But maybe they all went into file #13.

Continue hunting Benn8, wonder if someone bought up all of Christophers Ruddys book, and they are all in a storage bin somewhere? Hmmm.

rd, when was your book published, did you self publish, and how is distribution going and sales? Might have another BIG Hmmm happening.

[deputylinda]

not that it means anything, but i grew up in maryland/DC area. my dad was in government. in my constutionally protected opinion, condit is involved. when i was 17 i had dinner with a congressman who wanted to set me up in an apt. to have sex with me when he was in town. i told him to go to hell. he was from tenn. i'm tempted to say his name since i have nothing he can sue me for.but for now i will say nothing else.

[Camper]

WE posted at the same time!! Is he still in office?

I also assume he is most likely married. There should be a law, that includes a rope and a tall branchy tree for the fine fellows.

Feel free to pm me.

[Rubydoo67]

Hi Camper,

I only have a second right now, I'll get back in more detail, but here's a nice timeline I have for you, with some links and such:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/levy_timeline.html

Rubydoo

[Camper]

Outstanding, I could not find a date as to when the timeline was printed. Also I clicked on the link for the 'thorough' search of Condits apartment 'video' and it is no longer available.

I am stricken when reading the timeline, about how often he is with 'staff'. Picked up by staff, is frequently stated, not 'picked up by a staff member' or a name provided. I betcha a nickel it was the same 'staff' member that had McD food, and was in the car when Condit was dumping the empty container that had the original watch box inside, for the watch gift that was given to one of his girlfriends.

So the wife goes home May 3rd.

I am thinking which is probably a common thought with many others, that he could have had a staffer pick up Chandra, and take her 'somewhere' until his wife goes home and they can talk/kill etc.

I am wondering how and what Mr. Condit keeps busy 'these' days.

I and everyone else just sorta remember her murder and many other unsolved ones, and WHAT can be done about it from our view?????? So frustrating!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like we are ready for an investigative group higher than the FBI, a group that could supercede the governmental influence. Just common non governmentally connected CRACK detectives with a mission and a no holds barred ability to get the TRUTH and solve the cases, let the chips fall where they may!!!!!!!!!!

How are we ever going to get honesty going again in our officials, womanizing (ok deal ?!#&*^)(under the table transactions!!*&&^%)(looking the other way to unseemly fixing of 'things'!*&^^%)

We are sinking in the quicksand of (coveritupitis). Rather than like the little kitten who scratches on the vinyl floor trying to coveritup, we have Real Professionals in the art of coveringitup. If any RP's are reading here, shame on you!!!

Rubydoo67 your link is so enlightening and raises so MANY MANY questions!!!!!!!!!!!

Staff does things that the politician cannot take time to do because of the pressing nature of his job. Can anyone reading here doubt but that someone on staff picked up Chandra to take her to a waiting place, til the wife left. Hmmm imop.

Can anyone here doubt that a staff member made a reservation for a holding place somehow, yes or no. imop.

I also remember something about a housekeeper male type, who did janitorial things in the Condits apartment. I seem to recall that he spotted Sado Masachistic things in Condits closet and reported it to the building manager and was fired, during this investigation period. Anyone remember that, perhaps that is in the link information, have not tried to access other links in the link except the one about the cleaning of Condits apt., and the link did not work there.

[rd_jfc]

Hi Camper and all,

Like you say, so many questions flooding back, still unanswered, and the excuses for not answering them bare for all to see after three years. That is what Murder on a Horse Trail does, tells the story and lays what we know and those unanswered questions on the line.

Agents and publishers told me that it would take more than a year to publish the book, if anyone would take it on. With Condit intimidating the police, the press, writers, and the publishing industry with his lawsuits, who would take this on? I self-published to get this information out now while it is relevant. It is libel suit proof. I can't be sued for asking questions, questions like that found in the posts above, unanswered questions about why we still have unanswered questions.

Murder on a Horse Trail has sold a few copies, thank you, but not very many people know about it. It's in the review stage that a publisher goes through to get copies of the book out to reviewers before it's published. I and some others have sent some copies to some people we think will be interested in commenting on it, but I don't know that any comment will make it into a news article or review. We'll have to wait and see.

It's not quite news, not scandalous enough to get attention from tabloids, but there's a human interest story here that people love, an unsolved crime, internet sleuthers not letting it go, pulling it together into a story that reporters don't have the time and space to do. I think people will love it when they start reading it and start asking questions, like you do here. Maybe it will get some more people interested in web sleuthing as well. I think it will.

rd

[Jade]

Now I am very interested in reading the book. I did not realize that she was found so far off the beaten trail.

[LSun]

""There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?""


Are you talking about Hoppy, the younger brother? (his real name is Darrell, but Hoppy is his nickname) He's been in trouble with the law for years. He was arrested in Fort Lauderdale, Florida a few months after Chandra went missing. It was for a parole violation (from 1997) and possession of marijuana. To the best of my recollection, I don't believe he was in D.C. at the time of Chandra's disappearance. I could be wrong, though; I just don't remember hearing that.

Condit's older brother, Burl, is a police sargeant in Modesto.

[Camper]

LSun, you have atributed a post to me that I did not make.

I am posting the original post by Rubydoo, that had posted the information that quoted as belonging to me. I have highlighted the portion of Rubydoos post in red so that you may see who did write it.

Thanks.


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Rubydoo67
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Hi Camper and all,

I live in the DC area and also feel it's a shame that this horrible murder was brushed under the rug.

IMHO, initially the police were actively investigating this crime. They staked out Condit's apt. They questioned many people, they basically said they believed
that no "homeless person" or "stranger" had abducted her. For whatever reason, all this was backed off of when the remains were found. The finding of the
remains was also weird.............many people think the remains were moved there a long time after she was killed.............

Rock Creek park is a beautiful park, full of hiking, bike riders and joggers. For the # of people there, it's not that common to have a mugging or anything like
that. They do happen but no more so than anything other park. Rock Creek park is HUGE! Plus, I believe the place where Chandra's remains were found is
VERY far off the beaten path.

I vaguely remember it being reported that Condit had secretly travelled overnight to Luray Cavern's area (in VA., about a few hours from DC) and was spotted
making a phone call from a McD's parking lot?? Does anyone remember that?

There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?

Personally, I think this is a political coverup........DC is governed by Congress and has no rights, representation of it's own. Solely relies on Congress for just about everything.........

I do believe Condit has a hand in this somehow.

Rubydoo
__________________
24 Q. Okay. You didn't walk out with a sofa, right?
25 A. I walked out with a gun.

McAllister & Brocchini exchange...

[rd_jfc]

I cover Darrell in Murder on a Horse Trail and point out that while the Star quoted alleged fellow construction workers that Darrell was missing from work for a couple of weeks during which Chandra disappeared, the Star nor any other publication provides any corroboration of it either. .

On the other hand, I ask why no one has looked into where Darrell was May 1. If he wasn't at his temp construction job, where was he? Why wouldn't lack of confirmation of pay records for him in Florida from his temp labor company make looking into his whereabouts a requirement for an investigator? Was he missing from work? Did he return limping with a cane after Chandra disappeared? Did the Star make it up? Enquiring minds want to know.

rd

[messiecake]

IF you have not read the book "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy it appears that your and my assessment of the foot dragging techniques by 'Investigating Washington DC bodies' is a well taught and learned ability.
This book is very difficult to find, you just about have to 'know someone' or make dozens of querys to find 'it'

rd, you posted,
Thanks, let me know what you think of Murder on a Horse Trail when you get a chance to read it. Only three books to go, and you're a slow reader? It'll be awhile.

rd

I will not be slow in getting it and it will be in my pile soon.


Amazon has the the Vincent Foster book!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074324253X/qid=1086534697/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8570312-9073733?v=glance&s=books

[benn8]

I have not posted here in a little while, but I have been reading the messages.

>>>I also remember something about a housekeeper male type, who did janitorial things in the Condits apartment. I seem to recall that he spotted Sado Masachistic things in Condits closet and reported it to the building manager and was fired, during this investigation period. Anyone remember that, perhaps that is in the link information, have not tried to access other links in the link except the one about the cleaning of Condits apt., and the link did not work there.<<<<

That is a good subject, Camper, that you brought up. I remember hearing about that janitor, but no one seems to remember him anymore. A guy like that does not just disappear, he is around somewhere.

All right, here is some new news. Well, it is new here because I don't see it posted yet. It is a couple of days old, but I just saw it today.

>>>"Levys open door for civil lawsuit"<<<
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8732824p-9609066c.html<<<

I saw this on a message by blondie, but not here. I think blondie posts here sometimes. This is real news, we will have to see what happens.

I am going to try to look a little more for that janitor that worked for Condit, or worked for the apartment house management.

benn8

[englishleigh]

I wonder if the Levys still have Billy Martin on retainer and if he would be the one to represent them in a civil suit??

I think they are waiting to see if a certain person prevails in his own civil suits and then they are going to go after this. I hope they do. It's time certain people were made to answer some questions under oath in this matter.

[benn8]

Here is what I copied out of the ModBee story, fair use.

>>>Susan Levy and her attorney, Paul Echols of Modesto, declined to discuss Chandra Levy's estate or potential lawsuits.<<<

The Levys also had another California attorney who was mentioned in a previous article. I don't keep a good file system on all of these names.

I don't know if Billy Martin is still involved or not. I think he is too much a part of the Washington scene to do a good job on Chandra's case. There will have to be some kinds of developments on the case now.

benn8

[Camper]

Betcha the janitor that cleaned Condits apartment could tell some stories. I cannot remember where I read about his getting fired for telling the SM story, or who got the story out of him. Do you think LE got the story, or a reporter?

I wonder if he is still 'alive and well'?

Whistle blowers seem to meet unsavory fates sometimes, or unexplained 'natural' accident deaths, or 'self' inflicted ?' gunshots.

Condit has certainly disappeared out of the news casts.
Wonder what he does to keep busy these days. I am certain his retirement from Government office has kept him eating, and sleeping comfortably.

Maybe he wears a brown bag over his head when he goes 'out'.

[benn8]

I had forgotten that janitor overnight. I did do one search for him last night, but there were too many hits.

It would be good to find a news story that mentioned him. I bet a lot of reporters had forgotten about him, and the police also. Of course the police are not looking for anything unless it is connected with Chandra's disappearance. To them nothing is connected to her disappearance.

The janitor lead seems to be the best thing going right now.

benn8

[Camper]

I have no doubt NOT entered the precise information in a search engine, to pull up info on the "janitor' of Mr. C's apartment building.

Here is an interesting link, that may give one of you interested people a clue to work on, in looking for it.

http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/gary-condit-stakeout-july01.html

I cannot figure out in my pore hed, why residents of his building would camp out on the apartment building steps. It would appear that either the residents did not want the police in the building, or WHUT?

The longer I live, the more confused I get, about people and their behaviors.

I am wondering if the building offers apartment cleaning services to all the residents??

Busy day again today, carry on.

[benn8]

Hello Camper, I really have not had much time to look at that PM I sent to you about the man cleaning up Condit's apartment. I don't know how much NE says is truth and how much is fiction. That article mentions Carolyn's twisted thumbs, and also her having scars on her from a whip or something hitting her.

If all that was true why didn't we see more about it in the media? There seems to be smoke there, but not much fire, or no fire.

benn8

[benn8]

Camper, I am going to address this to you. I have not been around for a while because there was not much new, except "Murder on a Horse Trail." I have the ebook of that, as well as the paperback. I like the ebook because you don't have to read it all at once. You can do keyword searches. If you look up Geragos you will get the times that he is mentioned in the book, and the pages are right there for you to read, no thumbing through pages to get to where you want to go.

ok, I am going to answer your Joyce Chiang comments.

>>>Also did you ever note the unusual quality of the necklace that Joyce Chiang wore in her missing poster pictures. I thought it to be high quality jewelry that a 'friend' might have given to her. Also that the piece itself could have been tracked to the jewelry shop where it was purchased? Perhaps the same shop where the watch was purchased for a different friend of Condits, by Condit. I thought the piece so unusual that I actually made a duplicate of it for myself. All I have is speculation and observation, and reading and hearing information on the murders.<<<

Sometimes when one reads something again after a period of time the same writing seems a little different. What occurred to me here, Camper, is that you might write to Joyce Chiang's brother. He seemed very interested in trying to solve the case. If you don't have an address I might be able to get an address for him at www.justiceforchandra.com The key word here is communication. A lot of things are possible through communication.

There is up to date news about the Carolyn Condit v National Enquirer lawsuit that was supposed to be settled. I don't know if that is posted anywhere else on this site. A judge in Fresno, California has told the two parties that they must get together and agree on a written agreement, by the end of this month, or he is going to set the case up as a libel case in court. That is the way I interpreted it. You can find up to date stories by putting Carolyn Condit in the Google search line and then clicking on News.

I noticed something else that I wrote about the Otis Thomas story here, but I will get back to it later. It has to do with the ModBee so maybe I can write to them to try to clear something up.

cheers or God Bless,
benn8

[WasBlind]

I don't know if this was posted, or not, but I find this to be quite telling

http://www.statementanalysis.com/condit/

Howdy, Benn8! I hope you are doing well.

Blessings to all and prayers for justice for Chandra, Lanie
HelpForTheMissing@yahoo.com

[Camper]

Benn8, what I did about my jewelry speculation was to send my thoughts to the DC police, and I sent an email to the reporter who had done an in depth interview for a DC newspaper with Joyce's brother.

I sent a number of sleuth thoughts to DCPD by email.

I did not get any response from the reporter.
Received a thank you from DCPD, and of course nothing after than. Where things went from there is a mystery.

The interview with Joyces' brother was found online, I don't know if it could still be found, and I believe the paper was a DC one.

I feel certain that lots of smart people had lots of smart thoughts, the problem is that ALL smart people do or did not communicate collectively on what THEY found with everyone one else that might have given a big jump start to finding Chandra's killer.

Sorta like Bush cleaning up the communication gap between the FBI and the CIA.

Course ol' Condit was a member of the Intelligence Committee, you remember that too I hope. Hmmm. Then 911 happened and slid Condit under the newsheadlines. The end. Time erases memories, and NEW news takes its place.

That was convenient wasn't it? Was that coincidental, who knows.

In my next life I would like to be a REAL detective.

[benn8]

Hello Camper,

You said: >>>
In my next life I would like to be a REAL detective.<<<

Well, you could start practicing now!!!

Here is the name of someone whom you might be interested in writing too, Joseph D. McNamara, Ph.D. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute located on the Stanford University Campus in California. I wrote to him once about the Chandra Levy investigation, and he answered right away. I am thinking about writing to him again now about the Otis Thomas story that was part of the Chandra Levy case, only now most of the media have almost erased it completely.

I don't have his mailing address right now. I probably have his email address over at www.justiceforchandra.com. Here is information on him.

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/BIOS/mcnamara.html

Now I will get to the rest of my message here about Joyce Chiang's brother.

I don't have Roger Chiang's address, but here is an article that rd dug up at Justice for Chandra.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2173

Only part of this message is about Joyce Chiang's brother. I will quote the part about him.

>>> Roger Chiang, who works for the Democratic National Committee in Washington, said missing adults should receive more attention on television and the Internet.
"You can't address adult missing persons without the help of technology and television," he said.
Chiang's 29-year-old sister, Joyce Chiang, disappeared in January 1999 after friends dropped her off at a Starbucks in the District of Columbia.
Chiang claims police at first were slow to investigate the case. When he and friends passed out fliers about his sister, an Immigration and Naturalization Service lawyer, police on the beat in their Dupont Circle neighborhood said superiors never told them to be on alert for a missing woman.
A canoeist found Joyce Chiang's decomposed body floating in the Potomac River three months later. The cause of her death is undetermined, D.C. police spokesman Thomas McGuire said.
McGuire disputed Roger Chiang's claim that they gave the case little attention. Both city police and FBI agents launched a massive search for Joyce Chiang, he said.

840,000 go missing
More than 840,000 adults and juveniles were reported missing in the<<< (snip)

Here's a few more comments by rd.
>>>
rd wrote: >>>His name is Roger Chiang, benn. Here's the major article on him:

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13074&highlight=joyce+chiang+brother#13074


rd wrote: >>>He's not listed in phone listings for DC but could be for Va or Md. I don't have a Washington metro phone book to check.

He works for the Democratic National Committee.

"Roger Chiang, who works for the Democratic National Committee in Washington, said missing adults should receive more attention on television and the Internet. "

That is the same article that I posted at the beginning here, with a few comments by rd also. I thought there were two articles.

benn

[princessmer81]

I just saw on Rita (Fox News) that there may be a break in the Chandra Levy class - unfortunatley I was folding laundry so I wasn't paying close attetion to what they were saying. I hope to hear more on it soon.

[HazyMP]

I just saw on Rita (Fox News) that there may be a break in the Chandra Levy class - unfortunatley I was folding laundry so I wasn't paying close attetion to what they were saying. I hope to hear more on it soon.

I Googled her and didn't find anything. Guess we'll have to wait.

[deputylinda]

i have not read this thread...so please excuse me for butting in...Chandra was all anyone talked about before 9-11. 9-11 saved condit's butt. i will never believe he was not involved. too many 'coincidences'. and DC politics are CUT-THROAT, don't kid yourself. i grew up in DC, my dad in government, as a scientist, not politician. when i was 17 a senator asked me to be his mistress for when he was in town. not uncommon at all. he had to be 55. and i was a kid.

[Lili]

I just saw on Rita (Fox News) that there may be a break in the Chandra Levy class - unfortunatley I was folding laundry so I wasn't paying close attetion to what they were saying. I hope to hear more on it soon.
Rita said there were a couple people of interest, one possibly being Condit's former driver. :waitasec:

[atbay]

Also heard Lynch was avoiding the media.....hope Edgar Hoover's minions (still called the Edgar Hoover building) put some scare into Mr. Blow Dry whatever rock they have to turn over to find him...

I will always be amazed that without gerrymandering his district, he would have been re-elected! In fact, he carried Stani slaw county!

[englishleigh]

I just woke up to this news and I am ecstatic...they are re-questioning people close to Condit, including his driver and also a Maryland man who helped work for Condit's defense during that time, if I heard that correctly. YEEESSSSS!! I'm like Deputy Linda, I will NEVER believe that a certain Congressman didn't know exactly what happened to Chandra. I have prayed for justice to be done in this case and for the Levys for so long.

[TisHerself]

I am thrilled at this news really hope this is it, and they can nail Condit's butt. I too always believed he was involved.

[Sprocket]

This is wonderful news... let's hope there is a prayer of something happening.... that justice finally does come for Chandra.

[fishyfishy4]

a ray of hope! let's hope it goes somewhere..................like straight to Blow Dry:liar:

[bluehawaii25]

IMO, Gary Condit knows exactly what happened to Chandra (whether he was directly or indirectly involved)! I bet that guy was thrilled for 911 to occur. That was all the media talked about up to that point. Then it all just faded away. I hope this new breakthrough will help "crack the case" and give the Levy's some understanding of what happened to their daughter.

[deputylinda]

The feds are trying to connect condit to photos of some guy who is a 'prime suspect'. i'm just hearing this on fox now. no name on suspect...this was based on a tip, and speculation of course. what is interesting is if they are trying to put condit with this guy... that says he's still on the radar. :twocents:

[rd_jfc]

Thanks for the info. The FBI was just asking Flammini if he saw the guy with Condit. If anybody sees more on what Rita reports, would you post it? Thanks!

rd

[AuntieKaren]

Hi DL--
I, too, believe Condit was somehow involved but I don't think he, himself, killed her. I think Chandra was pregnant. (Remember the conversation she had with her aunt?) and I think Condit knew she was pregnant. Beyond that, I really don't know what happened...
Karen

[deputylinda]

Hi DL--
I, too, believe Condit was somehow involved but I don't think he, himself, killed her. I think Chandra was pregnant. (Remember the conversation she had with her aunt?) and I think Condit knew she was pregnant. Beyond that, I really don't know what happened...
Karen
i would not be surprised if the smarmy little weasel met her in rock creek park and did it himself...if you pay someone, you have to get rid of them too. because, let me tell you, in DC the ONLY thing that matters is your position of power, NOTHING ELSE. not family, certainly not girlfriend...it's all about the power. i know, i grew up in that atmosphere. .....and let me add, this is just my constitutionally-protected opinion.

[Sprocket]

Hi DL--
I, too, believe Condit was somehow involved but I don't think he, himself, killed her. I think Chandra was pregnant. (Remember the conversation she had with her aunt?) and I think Condit knew she was pregnant. Beyond that, I really don't know what happened...
Karen
I am not certain, but I believe this rumor was dispelled by her mother, who stated that her daughter and her, were going through their menstrual cycles at the same time, approximately 2 weeks before she disappeared.

I think I remember reading this on an old chandra site, now closed. Maybe rd has more specifics on this, at his site & archives.

[solidarity]

Interesting to see that the police still seem focused on Condit....as should be!

[lisafremont]

I, too, have always thought that that Congressional Weasel was dirty. Remember that little trip to dispose of the box? Remember that Connie Chung interview in which he kept repeating his "I am not a perfect husband" mantra? But his answers, his whole demeanor seemed so weaselly? You bet he was grateful to Al Qaeda for sweeping his sorry butt off the front page. And if his constituents were ready to reelect him, shame on them!

[englishleigh]

An article from today on the case:

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9097342p-9997353c.html

[Pepper]

Too bad this case is now cold. If the Washington PD had done their job right in the first place, perhaps they could have solved this in the beginning. I still wonder if his top aids have been questioned (Lynch & Dayton).

Personally I think Condidit knows more than he's ever admitted. While I don't think he would personally dirty his hands or mess up his hairdo, I do think he knows what happened.

I'm anxious to see him grilled by the defense attorneys. Since he brought the suits, he can't hide behind the 5th amendment or congressional privilege!

[halycon]

The Globe tabloid has a cover story on Chandra this week. Apparently there is a new grand jury. Three people who know Condit have been shown photos of a man who used to throw parties. He's the guy Rita Cosby mentioned I guess. He worked for the DoD and lives in Maryland.

I just saw the Enquirer story in the store. It has a cover story on Chandra too. Says it will name the killer but doesn't. The Globe had much more detail. But the Enquirer has a photo of the gravesite.

How wonderful that there may be closure for that family. What a heartbreak. Her parents just looked lost through that awful experience. I guess I would too. :(

[benn8]

This is Condit v. Dunne related, but it is really about the Chandra Levy case. There has been an update in the Condit v. Dunne civil suit.

This has been the only report I have seen about this news. Of course we do have it at www.justiceforchandra.com where I first read it.

>>>from www.nypost.com (fair use)

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm

October 4, 2004 -- <<<

>>>Lin Wood, the lawyer for former California Congressman Condit, spent two days this week questioning Dunne under oath in Condit's defamation suit against the Vanity Fair diarist. The two-day grilling was
videotaped, and Wood is preparing arguments for the
tapes to be made public.<<<

Dunne's attorney, Paul LiCalsi, did not do so well questioning Condit last Monday. Both sides seem to want to display the results of their questioning.

>>>The main issue, LiCalsi said, will be his motion "to
force Mr. Condit to anwer questions" about his
relationship with Chandra Levy. "It turned out to be a
very frustrating day," LiCalsi said. "He refused to
answer on a claim of privilege, which has no merit."<<<

So the drama continues. There should be some followup news on the depositions being made. I have not seen any yet. Read the whole article.

benn8

[Kathy C]

I always felt that the Levy parents weren't playing with a full deck. At the time of Chandra's disappearance, TV stations kept playing a home movie of Chandra where you can hear her say, "I'll tell you in 5 years," re her boyfriend. As a mother (which I am not), I would have known immediately that my daughter was involved with a married man. Instantly. And the father saying, "We don't want to ruin anyone's career." If it was me, I'd have the cops all over Condit.

Now his career is over and he can't get a job. Why? Because people think he's guilty. I think he's as guilty as sin. They should have arrested him.

Chandra was a bright but naive girl who wanted to become a spook for the FBI. There's a little bit of playing with fire here. Why would she meet someone with only having her apartment keys, in a secluded area such as a park? It had to be to meet with someone she trusted.

I think the Levy's were well off. They should have hired a private investigator immediately. Now Condit feels comfortable suing publications that more or less implied he was the killer. It's his only alternative, as he's incapable of making a living.

Also, I could never see what these women saw in him. He's got that phony smile. He's wrinkled beyond his years. He looks like a skeleton. I'll never forget watching TV and one half of the screen showing rescuers going throught that park and the other half of the screen had Condit in Congress. It was really compelling. I bet Condit didn't even know he was on TV all day until later.

I read this once -- that Condit never missed a vote in all his years in Congress. But on the day Chandra Levy went missing, he supposedly missed 3 votes. Does anyone remember that?

And his phony kids on Larry King. They worked for Gray Davis, whom the people of California threw out as Governor.

Kathy C

[lex]

I always felt that the Levy parents weren't playing with a full deck. At the time of Chandra's disappearance, TV stations kept playing a home movie of Chandra where you can hear her say, "I'll tell you in 5 years," re her boyfriend. As a mother (which I am not), I would have known immediately that my daughter was involved with a married man. Instantly. And the father saying, "We don't want to ruin anyone's career." If it was me, I'd have the cops all over Condit.

Now his career is over and he can't get a job. Why? Because people think he's guilty. I think he's as guilty as sin. They should have arrested him.

Chandra was a bright but naive girl who wanted to become a spook for the FBI. There's a little bit of playing with fire here. Why would she meet someone with only having her apartment keys, in a secluded area such as a park? It had to be to meet with someone she trusted.

I think the Levy's were well off. They should have hired a private investigator immediately. Now Condit feels comfortable suing publications that more or less implied he was the killer. It's his only alternative, as he's incapable of making a living.

Also, I could never see what these women saw in him. He's got that phony smile. He's wrinkled beyond his years. He looks like a skeleton. I'll never forget watching TV and one half of the screen showing rescuers going throught that park and the other half of the screen had Condit in Congress. It was really compelling. I bet Condit didn't even know he was on TV all day until later.

I read this once -- that Condit never missed a vote in all his years in Congress. But on the day Chandra Levy went missing, he supposedly missed 3 votes. Does anyone remember that?

And his phony kids on Larry King. They worked for Gray Davis, whom the people of California threw out as Governor.

Kathy C

hi kathy! i agree with you about sleazy condit, but i would like to set the record straight on former govener gray davis.

ennron was bilking the state of california for millions of dollars. davis, though far from perfect, accused ennron and to my surprise and respect, followed through and helped bring down the energy giant.

davis = domocrat, ennron = republican (follow the money trail)
republicans pissed at davis, vow revenge. start recall
hire arnie to run against davis. arnie's can't loose campaign , "it's for the children" and "trust me" slogans along with his charismic personality and californias ruined (along with the whole U.S.) economy ( due to the collaspe of silicon valley and 911) make davis an easy scape goat.
http://www.sonoran-sunsets.com/california.html political corruption at its finest, oughta be a law against this.

[Kathy C]

Chandra was hanging out with spooks (FBI, etc.) Whoever killed her knew exactly what to do with her and kept her body from being discovered for over a year. The WTC happened and we forgot about Chandra Levy.

I said it before: she was playing with fire. Maybe her death was a way to get at Condit. To embarrass him and see him lose his seat. He might have crossed somebody.

Kathy C

[Pepper]

Lex, this is a little off topic, but I think you are misinformed on Gray Davis. The energy problem in CA was a lot more complicated than you imply. Partial utility deregulation meant prices utility companies could charge were capped, but as wholesale energy prices increased (AND THE UTILITIES HAD SOLD OFF MOST OF THEIR GENERATING PLANTS), the utilities were squeezed and PG&E was declared bankrupt.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0817-07.htm:
But in their haste to cash out, SoCalEd and PG&E made some critical miscalculations. Most important was their assumption that there would always be a surplus of cheap wholesale electricity. So they sold off too much of their generating capacity and had too little of their own supply at a time when rates were still frozen. Then came a hot summer and a cold winter. Natural-gas prices shot up. Some key generators went down. Storms knocked out transmission lines. The nukes had problems. The utilities found themselves at the mercy of independent producers who'd snapped up generating capacity and could manipulate the wholesale market. Having dismantled key efficiency programs, the utilities now realized that their customers, buying power at fixed costs, had little incentive to conserve. So demand quickly outstripped cheap wholesale supply, which now spiked up at the whim of those with power to sell. PG&E and SoCalEd became wounded, bleeding whales at the mercy of sharks they could not control.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/16/160145.shtml:
For California's electricity crisis might have been alleviated at a stroke: a stroke of the governor's pen. By allowing the utilities to raise their prices in line with their higher costs and to buy electricity under much cheaper, long-term contracts, Davis could have calmed the whole crisis and saved his taxpayers billions of dollars. He chose not to.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/21/173923.shtml:
However, Davis is playing fast and loose with the real facts of his relationship with Enron. For example, according to the Sacramento Bee, Davis has received $119,500 in campaign donations from Enron, including $42,500 since becoming governor. Davis openly stated that he would not return the Enron money.
In 1999, only months before the California energy crisis, Davis led a $200,000 trade trip to Europe for Enron. Davis traveled at California taxpayer expense with his wife for two weeks in Europe and finally in ancient Greece, lobbying on behalf of Enron for the Greek Wind Project.

Now back to Condit! I truly believe he knows more about Chandra Levy than he is willing to tell. Whether he was personally responsible, I guess we'll never know, but I certainly believe he knows what happened and who did it.

The keystone cops from the Washington DC PD didn't help either. First they refused to declare her missing or investigate for a week or two after her parents became concerned. Then they obviously didn't thoroughly search the park where her body was ultimately found. Then they didn't issue a warrant or search Condits apartment until months later.

Certainly makes me question who in Congress got to them and their dumb chief with a little pressure to not look too closely? Keep in mind that DC gets all its funding from where? CONGRESS!!

[lisafremont]

Haven't rad this whole thread but I just wanted to react to the showing this morning on the TODAY show of portions of the deposition by Gary Condit. In it, he denied that his relationship with Chandra was romantic or sexual! His eyes shifted and he would briefly look down when telling these, IMO, LIES.

What scum.

[Pepper]

I saw that lisa. What an effing liar he is! I hope Dunne has enough information to prove him the liar and scum he truly is.

[lex]

thanks pepper for the info! i will delve into this more when i have time. alot of corruption in those dealings, that's for sure.

[ThoughtFox]

I'm so glad this thread still exists! Chandra was my first real obsession over a case, and I wish something would break with Condit, the louse! :(

At any rate, I came across this transcript from a show Dan Abrams did on Tuesday night about the case:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6817768/

'The Abrams Report' for Jan. 11

Read the transcript to the 6 p.m. ET show
Updated: 1:46 p.m. ET Jan. 12, 2005

ABRAMS: Hi everyone. Former congressman Gary Condit denies under oath that he ever had a quote—“romantic relationship” with former Washington intern Chandra Levy. Remember this case was all over the headlines for months as family, friends, authorities franticly searched for Chandra after she was reported missing from a Washington, D.C. apartment.

Then, over a year after she disappeared, as the investigation seemed to have come to a dead end, her body found in a local park about four miles away from her home. But still, no suspects announced, and seemingly to this day, no breaks in the case. Former Congressman Gary Condit‘s name constantly associated with the case. Some of the tabloids even suggested he may have been involved even though it now seems there was no evidence to support that and many of them have settled lawsuits filed by Condit.

Nevertheless, there was a distinct impression from Levy‘s aunt and the questions Condit would not answer that he and Chandra had been more than just friends. In a moment we discuss whether Gary Condit got a raw deal on the whole in this whole case. But first now nearly four years after her disappearance, an exclusive deposition tapes obtained by NBC News, Gary Condit provides his side of the story. The tapes are sections from a deposition in an $11 million defamation suit Condit has filed against well-known author Dominick Dunne over some of his reporting in the Levy case.

Katie Couric has the story. . .

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Note: For some unknown reason, the transcriber of this piece put "Unidentified Male" instead of "Gary Condit" - so it is sort of confusing, but that is who is speaking.

I am frustrated that it sounds as if Condit is off the hook! That just isn't right, when he was involved with her and she had told her aunt about him!

[atbay]

I have not forgotten--Gary Condit's rotten!

[Sprocket]

I'm so glad this thread still exists! Chandra was my first real obsession over a case, and I wish something would break with Condit, the louse! :(

At any rate, I came across this transcript from a show Dan Abrams did on Tuesday night about the case:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6817768/

'The Abrams Report' for Jan. 11

Read the transcript to the 6 p.m. ET show
Updated: 1:46 p.m. ET Jan. 12, 2005

ABRAMS: Hi everyone. Former congressman Gary Condit denies under oath that he ever had a quote—“romantic relationship” with former Washington intern Chandra Levy. Remember this case was all over the headlines for months as family, friends, authorities franticly searched for Chandra after she was reported missing from a Washington, D.C. apartment.

Then, over a year after she disappeared, as the investigation seemed to have come to a dead end, her body found in a local park about four miles away from her home. But still, no suspects announced, and seemingly to this day, no breaks in the case. Former Congressman Gary Condit‘s name constantly associated with the case. Some of the tabloids even suggested he may have been involved even though it now seems there was no evidence to support that and many of them have settled lawsuits filed by Condit.

Nevertheless, there was a distinct impression from Levy‘s aunt and the questions Condit would not answer that he and Chandra had been more than just friends. In a moment we discuss whether Gary Condit got a raw deal on the whole in this whole case. But first now nearly four years after her disappearance, an exclusive deposition tapes obtained by NBC News, Gary Condit provides his side of the story. The tapes are sections from a deposition in an $11 million defamation suit Condit has filed against well-known author Dominick Dunne over some of his reporting in the Levy case.

Katie Couric has the story. . .

~~~More at Link~~~

Note: For some unknown reason, the transcriber of this piece put "Unidentified Male" instead of "Gary Condit" - so it is sort of confusing, but that is who is speaking.

I am frustrated that it sounds as if Condit is off the hook! That just isn't right, when he was involved with her and she had told her aunt about him!
I was under the impression, he finally fessed up the LE, after they questioned him for the fourth time? What gives?

[peggy]

Sprocket, ask D. Dunne what he thinks and maybe he fill you in on the lawsuit. Chandra was my first obsessive forum too, oh, the old Modbee days, what a wild forum before they shut it down. By accident ran into woman from Modesto today who thought it was terrible what media did to Condit, saying he did nothing wrong, because he was a preacher's son - she also said Scott was innocent, enough said.