Chandra Levy

[River]

Does anyone know any updates on this case? It seems so unfair that the Levy's still haven't gotten justice for their daughter!

[Charley]

What happened to the Jonbenet forum? I've been a way with my little boy who was hospitalized in another province....so I missed the old going and the new coming in. My email has also changed so how do I fix that with administration? Thanks

[Rubydoo67]

River,

Living in the area and being familiar with the area as well as DC law enforcement, (my Dad was on the force 30 years), I TRULY believe this is a mass cover-up orchestrated by the Condit camp............I believe the DC MPD were told in one way or another to "put a lid on it"............DC is 100% dependent upon Congress for everything, since it has no representation or any say really in it's own welfare, esp. financially.

There hasn't been any news coverage here of the case for a long time............tho many people have several theories and had "seen Condit" at suspicious places right around Chandra's disappearance........

I wish the Levy's could find some peace......

Rubydoo

[jsc0404]

Now sleezy Condit is suing the tabloids for over 200 million. Wow, it would be great if the case was opened and the DC cops are FORCED to take action. He could be very sorry that he opened this can of worms. Condit was the only one elated on 9/11 as it took the heat off of him. Imagine how Susan and Bob Levy feel.

[Newswolf]

This "psychic detective" Lysa Mateu discussed her input to police on Chandra's case today on Crier Live 1/14/04. She said a limo driver and 2 others Chandra didn't know killed her. That Condit "didn't say go kill her he said go take care of it". Talked about a missing bracelet and that she correctly named the park where Chandra was found long before the discovery. FWIW

[jsc0404]

Now Condit is suing the tabloids for ruining his reputation. He and he alone killed Chandra and I fully agree that the DC cops let it ride. Then came 9/11 and he was off the hook. PITIFUL.

[candy]

Condit is not even a suspect in the case. He and Lin Wood are suing the tabs for millions, and they will win because he was libeled by them.

[Trino]

Evidence shows Condit behaved strangely. What about the trip he took out of town? What about his wife (who rarely went to Washington) appearing? My personal beliefs are that Condit told someone to take care of Chandra, although, of course, I have no real evidence to back that claim.

The sad thing is that if the DC police have put a lid on the case, which seems very possible, it's kind of like the old days under Josef Stalin when someone would just disappear, and no one dared to ask. Have certain segments of our society come to this? Kind of makes you want to revisit the murders/suicide allegations connected to the Clinton administration, doesn't it?

[Pepper]

I agree that Condit knows more than he is saying. I've said it before on this forum (pre crashes) and I'll say it again. Condit didn't commit the act, but he let everyone around him know that Chandra was giving him grief, along with his wish that the "problem" would just disappear.

Furthermore, I believe that the DC cops intentionally bungled the investigation because it may have involved a Congressman. DC gets all of its funding by Congressional appropriation, hence they had a motive not to upset a potentially influential member of Congress. They didn't want to bite the hands that feed them.

I'll bet that to this day the key members of Condit's staff at the time were never interrogated or subjected to lie detector tests.

I feel for the Levys. They will never have the answer they deserve.

[nanandjim]

Agree that Condit is somehow involved. Sorry, her disappearance and murder were just a little too coincidental for me...

[Texana]

Agree that Condit is somehow involved. Sorry, her disappearance and murder were just a little too coincidental for me...

I couldn't agree more. He knows who did it, or he knows something key about it.

I saw the original clip of the police looking in the park--and they were mostly cadets looking--and I immediately said to Mr. Tex--"that is one pitiful job of looking." You could tell they had no more interest in finding her than -- well, pick your metaphor, but they weren't going to find her quickly."

There's something Gary Condit knows about her disappearance, and is not telling, and that something I truly believe is key to finding out what happened to her.

[Gummybear]

I have also long believed that Condit had something to do with Chandras death. These guys like to play around but when things get complicated they want to get rid of them in anyway possible. I also hope they reopen the investigation. If Condit thinks he got away with it once, who is to say he wouldnt do it again...many do.

[benn8]

There is still some dna evidence in the Chandra Levy case, but no one seems to want to look at it.

The dna would prove whether Condit told the truth to the FBI when he said that he did not know Jennifer Thomas, Otis Thomas's daughter, whom Otis said had an affair with Condit in 1994, if I remember my dates right, anyway it was about 7 years before Chandra disappeared.

The FBI interviewed Otis Thomas, but then eventually said that Otis lied. I don't know how they could tell if Otis lied, Jennifer Thomas had a son with the father's name withheld on the birth certificate. A dna paternity test could tell if Condit was or was not the father. If Condit is not the father he should welcome the test because a paternity test could prove with 100% accuracy that he is not the father.

The FBI could not locate Jennifer Thomas and never did interview her. While we definitely respect people's privacy nevertheless this is a murder case and Jennifer Thomas should co-operate with law authorities in telling them what she knows.

I have thought that the Stanislaus County law enforcement authorities could have done a better job than the FBI and the DC Police.

Why won't any law enforcement authorities make this paternity test of Jennifer Thomas's son? Granted, it is not a welcome subject for the principals involved, but how else can this case be solved if evidence is available but will not be looked at.

It is said that Chandra asked Condit about his supposed affair with Jennifer Thomas, and Chandra told her mother that Condit explained it all.

This was just before Chandra disappeared, so there may be something here that is being covered up. The Levy attorney is not digging into the case like a Geragos might do. The problem with Geragos is that he is on the wrong side.

Anyway I thought I would throw the dna paternity test of Jennifer Thomas's son out in the hope that someone might be able to figure out how to have it made. The only thing that seems to show up here is coverup.

benn8

[Trino]

There are a lot of unexplained things about the CL case, as well as Condit. There was damaging evidence in Condit's disappearance between the suspected time CL disappeared and the police report of her disappearance. Has anyone really documented where/why (especially WHY) Condit drove from Washington and where he went?

CL left everything behind. Strange. Could someone have entered her apartment and logged on to her computer as her?

What about the scream that was heard during the night?

What about Condit's strange reactions?

There are a lot of unanswered questions. There are also parents who it looks like will never know who killed their daughter.

Why isn't the case active?

[benn8]

There are a lot of unexplained things about the CL case, as well as Condit. There was damaging evidence in Condit's disappearance between the suspected time CL disappeared and the police report of her disappearance. Has anyone really documented where/why (especially WHY) Condit drove from Washington and where he went?<<<

Hello Trino, that is one part of the case I guess i have not looked at closely enough. If you go to www.justiceforchandra.com you might be able to find something there that would answer some of your questions.

>>>CL left everything behind. Strange. Could someone have entered her apartment and logged on to her computer as her?

What about the scream that was heard during the night?<<<

I think that the answers to both of your questions are that it is possible that someone used Chandra's computer, pretending to be her, and that the scream could have been Chandra. I don't think the answer to either of these questions is really necessary to solve the mystery of the crime. Just my personal thoughts.

What about Condit's strange reactions? <<<<

My interpretation of Condit's activity after Chandra disappeared is that he was a guilty man trying to act innocent. He could not run, so he tried attacking, attacking newspaper stories, attacking people who said anything against him. He is still doing that, suing people to act like he is innocent. He has not sued the NE book Sex Power and Murder, but maybe it was mentioned in the secret agreement that Carolyn Condit made with NE.

There are a lot of unanswered questions. There are also parents who it looks like will never know who killed their daughter.

Why isn't the case active?

I have tried to get it active. I post at www.justiceforchadra.com as you may have guessed.

I emailed Crime Solvers at the DC Police website. I got a reply back saying that they would contact me. I waited for them to contact me, but that never happened. I did not have any new news, but I had some ideas on some of what had already happened.

Again I wrote to the DA in Stanislaus County trying to get Chandra's hometown law enforcement involved in the case, but I did not receive any reply. I did get on the DA's email subscription list, but anyone can do that. They send out emails on prisoners going up for parole, etc. They sent out an announcement saying that they would no longer be sending out news about the Scott Peterson case, probably because it was moved.

I also sent an email to the FBI asking questions about the Otis Thomas story, that was said to be untrue. I did not get any reply.

I probably would not be writing anything here, but there may be some new articles coming out withing a month or so about the Chandra Levy investigation. Just what form the articles will take I don't know. I probably should not even be mentioning this yet. Whatever comes out will attempt to be informational, but if it will be informational enough we won't know until it is published. This obviously is something that will be put out by some of us amateurs, not something from any media or law enforcement agencies.

All I can do is pray that the information, in whatever format it is written in, will be enough to warm up the case.

benn8

[candy]

Benn, you're wonderful to write so many people. Trust me, it does help.

Do you think that the DC police didn't want the Modesto Police to be involved because Gary Condit's brother was on the Modesto Police force?

[benn8]

Benn, you're wonderful to write so many people. Trust me, it does help.

Do you think that the DC police didn't want the Modesto Police to be involved because Gary Condit's brother was on the Modesto Police force?

candy, I don't know what the DC police motive was. I guess you know that Burl Condit was in a serious automobile accident. I did not read a followup on his story, I will have to look for one.

benn8

[candy]

Hi Benn,

Yes, I had read that story on the accident involving Condit's brother. That's the first time I had heard he had a brother in the MPD.

Keep up the great work Benn! We need to know who killed Chandra. It's terrible that this case has not been solved.

[Sprocket]

It was a sad loss, when the "whereschandra" web site went down. There were some phenominal sleuthers there, specifically "rd" (my favorite) who, actually went and checked out where Condit made that midnite phone call from a pay phone to the other mistress, telling her is might have to disappear for a while or alluding to that.....from what I can vaguely remember, it was in a National Park, poorly lit area, a bit off the beathen path, and well over an hours drive away from DC.

Maybe one day Chandra will have as many champions as JonBenet has.....maybe, one day....Edited to add, I just went to the site mentioned above, not knowing about it, and rd is there! Nice to find him!

[benn8]

Hello Sprocket, I received an automatic email last night saying that someone had replied here, but then I got sidetracked and did not get back here right away. I was on whereschandra for a while, not as long as many there. I don't remember what I was doing in between, I was at modbee until it shut down. Most of the Chandra sites eventually shut down, except www.justiceforchandra.com which started up.

I have never been to Rock Creek Park, which must be right in Washington. Early news stories in 2001 said that Condit used to ride to Rock Creek Park on his......Harley?.....no, he said he did not have a motorcycle in Washington.....he rode to the park on his bicycle.

I think rd would be glad to see you check in at his site. We discuss other things besides the Chandra case, but a lot of the discussion is about what happened to Chandra. We need all the help we can get.

benn8

[Camper]

I too posted under another hat on the Wheres Chandra site.

I sent approximately three tidbits to the DC police department as well. I did get the typical thanks for your email ya da ya da, on two of my efforts.

I do believe that there is some connection between Chandra and Joyce Chiangs murders.

In the missing poster of Joyce that was distributed, she was wearing a very unique and beautiful necklace, that looked quite expensive. I do believe that the source of that bit of jewelry could have been traced. Also the date her picture was taken to tie in her association with Mr. C. They worked in close proximity in their duties. Joyce was an attorney for Imigration. I had always additionally thought that she may have had information or knowledge of improperly admitted 'terrorist' types. The terrorist types that came to attend school in America, and had their visas or whatever the okay paperwork - and then they never registered to attend ANY college!!!!!!!!!!

I do indeed believe the name of the game is 'Professional Coverup'.

I am reading "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy. It is now out of print, but I found a copy. Talk about COVERUP. He was found with a gunshot in his mouth, and small amount of blood, indicating that he was already dead when he was shot. Neatly laid out with arms at each side. Shot with a gun his family said was not his. Shot with a gun made up of parts of two and perhaps three different guns, with two serial numbers dating back to '1913' This is just a small sampling of the factual information that Christopher Ruddy turned up, incredible!!!!!!!! Boatloads of Arkansas folks involved in lots of suspicious activities following the discovery of Foster's body.

I am happy to know there is still a website for Chandra, will have to check it out. God bless her family.

There is an old saw, that a leopard never changes his spots. A great big hmmm for Mr. C.

Another interesting tidbit, Clinton was appearing on LKL the night Foster's body was found.

[benn8]

Sorry to hear about your loss Camper. I think I did send my initial contact and response with the SHE link in a private message to you. Since the message was sent privately to me I did not think that I should post it here.

I am not too used to using the private messages here. I guess I will be able to find what I sent to you somewhere here. I did buy Pat Brown's book KILLING FOR SPORT, Inside the Minds of Serial Killers. I bought a new copy but now that I know a little more about Amazon.com's used book department I think I may go that way from now on. I don't know if Brown's book is so useful for here. She is writing about Serial Killers.

I did like the last two pages of the book. If Brown does profiling for police departments she must have a lot of contact with policemen. Here is what she writes near the very end of the book.

"If the police aren't doing a good job handling a sexual homicide in your community, make a whole lot of noise. When your neighbors get raped and murdered, you should never let the police rest until justice is served. Don't just forget about the crime a week later and assume it's being investigated and by doing so ignore reality. Support the family of the victim by helping them see that the crime is solved and by rallying the community behind them. Make it clear to government officials and law enforcement that the cirizens expect truth, justice, and public safety."

That is a little long, but it seems to the point. I have tried to make a noise in many places but without much result of any kind. We need more noisemakers.,

benn8

[blueclouds]

What a coincidence. I just picked up that book Vincent foster at a garage sale and have been meaning to get reading it. Now I will. Sorry about your loss Camper hugs to you.

[candy]

Hi Benn,

Please don't think all your wonderful work has been without effect. The police as you know are often maddingly quiet, but it doesn't mean they don't pay attention to people like you bringing good information and ideas out. They do. We just don't know about it. I'll make some noise too, everyone should.

[benn8]

Hello candy, it is difficult to know if we are doing any good sometimes. As for the Chandra Levy case there ae a lot of people who don't want to get involved. I guess that applies to all cases, a lot of people don't want to get involved. But it isn't always easy to know how to get involved.

I guess we all need each other. If one person comes up with a good idea we can all use it Thanks for writing to me.
benn8

[benn8]

As I have written in other messages I am always wondering why the Otis Thomas story has been completely erased from the Chronology of the Chandra case, so that no mention is made of it at all. Perhaps this is in consideration for the Thomases.

In looking at an old ModBee article yestereday written by Mike Doyle I looked at the Chonology, or timeline, given at the end of the article, and I sent Mike an email asking him about that.

He replied this morning, saying that he did not know exactly--maybe I should just quote him so as to not misquote him.

>>>>I'm not sure why the Otis Thomas element is out of the chronology, as I did
>not put it together. However, I would guess that because he retracted what
>had been very controversial charges, the newspaper's position was that the
>issue was not deserving of notice.
>
>Mike<<<

I sent Mike a followup reply and thanked him and said that I would contact the ModBee and ask them. Anyway this takes part of the Otis Thomas story discussion away from trying to ask the FBI and instead just trying to ask the ModBee, or any other newspaper that does not include the Otis Thomas story.

I think that maybe it is left out in consideration for the Thomases, but there is also the consideration for Chandra and her family to be thought of. Anybody who is interested in this subject could also write to the ModBee, or any other newspaper, asking them why the Otis Thomas story is omitted. Good luck. I am going to write today, or tomorrow.

benn8

[benn8]

I happened to be searching for something yesterday on the web and came across attorney Lin Wood's website. Lin Wood, of course is Gary Condit's attorney handling his lawsuits.

http://www.linwoodlaw.com/

If you go there you can click for details of the Gary Condit v The National Enquirer case, on the front page of the website. You can download the whole case, 45 pages, in Adobe Acrobat.

Maybe that case is already listed somewhere here, but I have not seen it, so I guess it will not hurt to include it here.

benn8

[benn8]

Hello. I am sorry to see that I am the last one to post here on the Chandra Levy murder investigation. There is a little news now, not about the case, but about a book scheduled to come out about May 1, or shortly thereafter.

The book is being self-published and will probably be seen everywhere that self-published books are advertised. Here is the name, if that does not get changed.

"Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy"

Here is the link for that thread at the Chandra website where I post. If that does not work just go to www.justiceforchandra.com and that will give a link to the thread.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2017&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Nothing new in the book, but it may revive some interest in the case. rd the owner of the website is the author, using citations from many many sources.

Now I can see a possible snafu in getting the book into print, but that probably will not happen.

In the meantime here is something that I have written about the case. We should not give up on the case just because many people have. I realize that there are a lot of other things going on also.

I am quoting myself here:

"Time allows some reassessment of past events. When Congressman Gary Condit's constituents finally became an informed electorate, having learned of many of the things that their Congressman had been doing but concealing from them, at their first opportunity they voted him out of office."

benn8

[Camper]

http://www.unsolved.com/0206-Chiang.html

Part of the article on this link includes this information
"Following her internship, Joyce took a job as a lawyer at the INS. She lived with her brother Roger in the Dupont Circle area of Washington D.C. Chandra
Levy would later move to the same neighborhood'

Also from this same link "To many, similarities between the two were chilling. They both worked for a congressman at one time. Joyce worked for
Representative Berman, who's office was adjacent to Representative Condit's'

From another link - http://www.amw.com/site/archives/19990123/jchiang.html this information is gleaned "Authorities say that Chiang, a lawyer who works
for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, was dropped off by a friend in the Dupont Circle area of Washington, D.C.on January 9, 1999 around 8:20
p.m"

From this link - http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/19/wbr.00.html this information is gleaned "And as a member of the House Intelligence
Committee, Congressman Gary Condit has access to the nation's top secrets.

Joyce Chiang dissappeared January 9, 1999
Chandra Levy dissappeared May 2001

My question is this, could it have been possible that Joyce found improprieties while working as a conscientious lawyer for the Imigration and Naturalization
department, and since her office was next door to Condits, that she approached Condit with this information and was made to dissappear?

Additionally since Chandra Levy was intent on finding improprieties in the prison system as well, and may have voiced this concern to Condit as well, then she was
made to dissappear?

Just a few short months after Chandra went missing, came September 11, 2001, and the heat was off of our Mr. Condit, I find this interesting as well. Then we have the story that a quite large number of Osamas relatives were allowed to leave the U.S.A. a day or so BEFORE September 11, 2001

I sit and rock in my little rocking chair and contemplate how convenient all of these happenings seemed to be, for our Mr. Condit. I also wonder HOW and WHO gave the message to Osamas relatives to Get Outta Dodge a big Hmmm for me.

Since I am in charge of nothing in particular, my thoughts may have no meaning whatsoever. My mind keeps coming back to the same ole questions that bother me big time.

Wonder if the Thomas daughter was paid off handsomely or if she gets support or hush money for the little innocent child?

[benn8]

Hello Camper, I am getting more interested in the Joyce Chiang murder--if it was a murder. I look foreward to the Chandra Levy case getting into court, and then I will probably concentrate on Chiang, and there was an intern in Florida who was found dead in her Congressman's office, and also a couple of other interns from California showed up dead in Washington, DC.

Right now I look for the solution to the Levy case to come from the political angle. All of law enforcement seems to have mummed up, possibly because they just don't have anything new to say. The media is also quiet on Levy, but this was a murder of a young lady who was dating a Congressman. What do politicians understand? Voters. The police understand voters also. All of us understand voters in some way or another. When the heat gets on, then maybe a few people will talk.

Right now the new book Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy, is on schedule for around May 1. There are now ISBN numbers for the book. They are: 0-595-66433-4 for hardcover, 0-595-31847-9 for paperback, and 0-595-76658-7 for eBook.

Maybe we can generate enough heat so that suddenly law enforcement, and the media, will start saying, "fire, fire, fire." Then there will be some legal proceedings, and not all of that "rumour" language from the DC police.

benn8

[Camper]

When the governmental good ole boys network is in full operation I predict nothing will be discovered, identified, presented or brought to justice. Just two beautiful women who used their heads in discovery, and were taken out to shut them up, and to continue with business as usual.

I don't know what the answer is to finding the murderer or murderers.

If you have not read, please read "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy. We find Vincent lying on his back perfectly gently placed, after supposedly firing a gun into his mouth(not his gun)(a gun made from parts from two different guns, dating back to 1800.) Two official reports stating two different locations where his body was found. These are just two of the vastly wild and wonderful mis conclusions relating to his death.

Nopey nope donut think this case will ever be solved, two many clam mouthed good ole boys, who wish to be re-elected. Heard a gentleman on the radio the other day, telling how shenanigans by underlings had led our presidents down the garden path since Franklin Roosevelt. The gentleman was raving on and on and making some excellent points, and ending up saying, "There are not enough telephone polls in America, on which to hang all of these men."

Most likely Washington DC police have been written out of the script for solving this case or any other case involving governmental groupies/entities of a high elected caliber.

I maintain that the World Trade Center was involved in both of these young womens murders. That is my opinion in putting one and one together and getting this strange total.

[Camper]

in the current Globe. I hardly ever pick this tab up.

Consider this, that Joyce Chiang was in a perfect position to become aware of the terrorists with student visas attending flight schools in AMerica. The article points to the year 2000 in regard to this and builds up to the time 9/11 happened. Joyce's dead body was found in 1999, hmmm.

Now then WHO would Joyce Chiang have told of her suspicions of this information that she MAY have found during her duties with imigration information? Would she have told Condit, who was privy to national security information? Would he have deep sixed it, either through stupidity, OR might there have been another reason. (This is all speculation on my part as to whether she had this information or not and or who she would have told.)

The Globe article points to a Minneapolis FBI office agent who had firm information about what was happening. A must read, I am not going to print info on here, if anyone cares enough to seek it out and read it, good.

[benn8]

Camper, I thought that Joyce Chiang worked for a time for a Congressman right across the hall from Condit's office. I am not certain that Condit was into secrets much, except for his own activities.

Joyce has a brother still living, and he might be receptive to receiving letters about Joyce. I have not looked at the case that close as yet. Jennifer Baker did not know that Chandra was dating Condit, and Flammini did not know either that Chandra was dating Condit. Condit could have dated girls who disappeared and no one ever connected them to Condit.

Just my opinion.

benn8

[Camper]

They were all from California, Joyce, Condit and the person she worked for, I dis remember whether it was a congressman or what his job was in the government. But to even think that they did not all know each other is remote. As I recall their offices were side by side.

So much time has elapsed, since I was hot on Joyce's murder, that I cannot rant on too much about details.

Who and how would you relate suspicious information to on matters vital to national security? Especially if you worked next to someone who had connections to check things out?? My ordinary common sense tells me one thing, but how would you relate this type of information?

Was her job as an attorney for the INS, to check out and make sure suspicious persons were actually 'registered for classes' on their student visas?

Would she have done this on her own, or could information have been given to her? More questions than answers, and it would appear that no real digging was done, to find answers for her death. IMOP.

[benn8]

Camper, I do not buy into the school of thought that points to secret government activities as being the reason for many missing persons. I look at the plain old personal relationships as being the cause of most of the missing people.

Of course you can work on the government intrigue, but I look for more simple answers.

benn8

[Camper]

Please drag over any posts that I have made and copy them right here on this thread, where I have indicated 'government intrigue' and massive numbers of missing people!

I only point to two very attractive and above average intelligent women who had direct contact with Condit, who indeed have been murdered.

You have either misquoted me, or have been mistaken about my focus.

Mr. Condit had a habit of bedding a number of females. Mr. Condit was a married man. Mr. Condit had two children. Mr. Condit held security matters of America in his hands.

You did not answer my question as to HOW YOU WOULD report suspicious imigration activities that you had privy to, IF IF you had been Ms. Chiang.

[benn8]

Camper I am not trying to misinterpret what you believe, but you have said yourself that Condit had a problem with extra marital relationships. I don't think Condit had any immigration problems, but you can think that if you want to.

I will try to research what I think is most important, and anyone else can research what they think is most important. Maybe someone will get the right answers.

benn8

[Camper]

Your post says: " I don't think Condit had any immigration problems, but you can think that if you want to.


==============<><

I NEVER said that Condit had imigration problems, He is an American born person.

Indeed we can believe anything we wish. However the fact remains, that imop, the Washington DC police department was taken out of the investigation loop.

ANYONE is free to read Vincent Foster's book, "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster', to understand how investigations involving important DC personages play out, particulary when 'unsolved murders' are involved.

I prefer not to do battle with an unarmed person. If you would go through what I went through to obtain a copy of Foster's book, and read it, then and only then will I continue this thread duel.

[benn8]

We have no duel. I will see if my library has the book.

We need all the ammunition we can get.

[benn8]

Well Condit v. Dunne is back in the news again. The judge has said that Condit can continue his case against Dunne.

Here are some comments I made to a new message board that I found at KGO radio. I don't know if they are strong on message boards. They do have a very active radio talk show program schedule.

Here is what I wrote:

http://boards.abcnews.go.com/cgi/KGO
/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=kgo_
news&id=61117&move=prev

ABC7 News Talk
Do you have a comment about one of the stories you read on abc7news.com or saw on ABC7 News? Share your thoughts about the story with other viewers. Make sure to put the web address of the story in your post so that others know which story you're referring to.

I am commenting on this KGO story:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/
042704ap_nw_condit_case.html

Condit Case Against Magazine Writer To Proceed<<<

Is that good news, or bad news, for former Congressman Gary Condit?

One article at findlaw.com some time back said that Condit should withdraw his case, that discovery at the proceedings might be detrimental to him.

>>>WHY OUTGOING CONGRESSMAN GARY CONDIT IS VERY UNWISE TO SUE AUTHOR DOMINICK DUNNE FOR LIBEL
By JULIE HILDEN
julhil@aol.com
----
Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002
Found at http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden
/20021224.html<<<

Another article at Findlaw.com said that Condit should pursue his case.

>>>By John W. Dean
FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Friday, January 31, 2003 Posted: 3:36 PM EST (2036 GMT)
Story Tools<<<

Found at .http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01
/31/findlaw.analysis.dean.condit/

So there are two opinions about the same lawsuit.

In the meantime if you are a California resident and go to Washington, D.C. and get murdered you might not get very good treatment from law enforcement there.

Chandra Levy, who disappeared on May 1, 2001 was considered to be a missing person, but it took law enforcement 11 weeks before they searched the apartment of Congressman Gary Condit, her intimate friend. That is not the normal practice in missing person cases with a close intimate friend, if I have heard correctly. The police may have asked for a search warrant earler but the DA did not turn the request in to the judge Police Chief Ramsey said something to that effect. Anyway the police did not have a search warrant and could not remove pants that they wanted to take with them from Condit's apartment.

On July 30, 2001 Paul Katz, Chandra's uncle, said on the Larry King Live show that the police knew and the Levys knew that Chandra had keys to Condit's apartment. Even so Connie Chung when she interviewed Condit on TV in August did not ask Condit if Chandra had keys to his apartment. No interviewer that I could find asked Condit if Chandra had keys to his apartment.

Chandra's remains were held a long time in Washington, but the three forensic experts who were working pro bono for the Levy family were not allowed to examine the remains with powerful microscopes.

In the search for Chandra the DC police turned down offers from trained volunteer searchers with dogs to help search for Chandra. The DC police also sent a Stanislaus County law enforcement officer home who was sent to Washington to help look for Chandra.

At one time early on Rep. Gary Condit said that it was not proper to be talking about the investigation. A missing persons case and people should not be discussing it?

Oh well, we will see who was right, Julie Hilden, or James Dean.

benn865

Posted: 6:01 AM, 4/28/2004

Murder on a Horse Trail, The Disappearance of Chandra Levy.

I have the book.
benn8

[benn8]

River Administrator,
>>> Chandra Levy
Does anyone know any updates on this case? It seems so unfair that the Levy's still haven't gotten justice for their daughter!<<<

Hello River, well there is no justice yet, but there are a couple of small developments. The Levys have a new lawyer. That was in the news story from the Washington Post May 1 that was sort of an update on the Levy story. The lawyers name is Steve Mandell, but we don't have an address for him. He may have an office in Southern California. Steve Mandell has a spokesperson.

>>>Susan Anthony. a spokeswoman for the Levy family's new attorney, Steve Mandell, the family is "certainly trying not to be in the limelight."<<<

There is another development and that is the publication of the book I mentioned in my last message. "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," by Ralph Daugherty the owner of the www.justiceforchandra.com website is now available from iUniverse.com in an ebook, and in paperback and hard cover editions. The book should be in other book stores soon.

I like the book. Of course I am prejudiced since I post at www.justiceforchandra.com, but I think it is good even if I am biased. It is only the second book out about Chandra's disappearance. There is a lot of material in the book, most of it taken from the files of the Justice for Chandra website, and from the WheresChandraLevy.com website that closed down.

It may be hard to get the book out into the public eye, which would be good for the case, if the book does start getting read.

The ebook is a good buy, about $6.00, which is about the cost of shipping on the paperback book, and maybe a little more on the hardcover book. You can order the ebook online, or on the telephone, download it, and be reading it in a couple of hours or so. I had a little trouble with the latest Adobe Reader, but I phoned iUniverse and they helped me out on that. Someone wrote about phoning to buy the book, the hard cover, and he said "nice people."

Well, have to go. I won't be back here unless someone starts posting here. lol

benn8

[benn8]

I don't have anything new about the Chandra Levy case, and still days go by and isn't there something new each day. The new book (only the second one about the Chandra case) came out in April, "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," by Ralph Daugherty, a computer programmer and also owner of www.justiceforchandra.com.

The book brings up a lot of questions, but to date we have not succeeded in getting anyone to try to answer them. Of course the author is supposed to do that, but all supporters of a just solution to the Chandra case would somehow like to lend a hand.

I bought the paperback book, and also an ebook version. I had a few trials with the ebook version until I learned how to make it work. Because I know how to make it work does not mean that it is going to keep working.

That is just like this Cold Case here, we can not expect things to happen, we have to go out and try to make them happen.

I have been writing to people about the book. I don't have the cash to be giving books away. Anyone who wants to can drop over to www.justiceforchandra.com and read some of the posts there about the book. We also have something new there. You can post a message there in the guest section without signing up as a member. We are really a small site over there, and not in competition with anyone, except the bad guys.

I think the odds have got to change. As the book gets more distribution, and more information becomes known to more people, at least a few people are going to get interested, and maybe some day a key player will suddenly express a few thoughts on this case.

Praise God.

[vicktor]

Chandra Levy was likely killed while walking or jogging in the Wash. DC park. Since young women who are alone and not near others aren't usually found in populous DC, the park would be a perfect place for an atttacker to go. Of the millions of people out there who are involved in affairs with married people some will end up being killed ( and some like Amber Frey will be a murder suspect's girlfriend). Despite endless conspiracy theories, Condit likely had nothing to do with her untimely death.

[benn8]

Hello vicktor, well at least you answered my message. I may be a little slow in replying. Not too many people at Websleuths are posting messages about the Chandra Levy case right now.

Ralph Daugherty, author of "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," visited Rock Creek Park and the area where Chandra's remains were found at least once. He makes some first hand remarks in the book from his own research and experience in the park.

A lot of people have the same opinion that you have expressed, but I am looking more at the person whom I think is the main suspect. One reason I am looking at him is that he seems to be unable to talk since Chandra disappeared. Also everything that he did and said was not investigated thoroughly. For example, the Otis Thomas story has been eliminated from almost all timelines. The FBI was very interested in the story to begin with, but then I don't know what happened. They could not find Otis Thomas's daughter to interview her.

I won't write too much here. I just put in a long post at Google last night. They take a little while to get posted. You might be able to find it there, but I use a different user name there, Nocodemus or Noco43.

Condit lived a life of deception all, or most, or his years in Congress. I do not know what year he started dating women other than his wife, that may have been from day one. That was something he could not reveal to his voters. When his voters found that he was concealing information from them (his secret private affairs), at their first opportunity--the next election--they voted him out of office. That seems to indicate that if the voters had known sooner about Condit's activities that he was concealing from them that they would have voted him out sooner. Condit evidently took the secrecy of his affairs very seriously, because to lose his secrecy might be to lose his career in Congress.

Chandra became an obsticle to his career, wanting to marry him, and also accidently revealing his name to her aunt Linda Zambsky (or Katz). Strange that the DC Police termed so much information as Rumors.

When Chandra disappeared Condit may not have known that Chandra had accidently revealed his name to her aunt, but her question to him about Jennifer Thomas must have brought warning signals to him. Condit may have thought that Chandra's disappearance would rid him of secrecy problems, but Chandra had talked to her family, and Linda Zambsky revealed to the world that Chandra had been dating Rep. Gary Condit.

About three weeks after Chandra told her mother that "he explained it all," Chandra disappeared. I am wondering why Chandra would not have said that "he said that the Otis Thomas story was a lie." Instead Chandra said "he explained it all," which is a little vague.

Anyway the FBI quieted that story down fast when they could have investigated it more.

Gotta go. Murder on a Horse Trail does not solve the murder, but it gives a lot of information that can be used to look at the case longer and more carefully.

The book is beginning to sell, but a self published book does not always take off in sales right away, if at all.

The ebook version is the least expensive $6.00 downloadable from the publisher iUniverse.com. I had a few problems with Adobe, but I learned what to do, and IUniverse helped me out by sending another link to the book when I had somehow damaged the first link. An ebook is word searchable which makes it interesting.

Regards, benn8

[Jade]

I thought that Connie Chung blew the interview with Condit. I must be the only one because news reports said how great –she was so tough. I felt she could have used more finesse. She put him on the defensive and that is no way to get information to slip out.

My Mom lived in the District and it is a study in contrast so powerful and wealthy yet so poor and seedy, so magnificent but so miserable. The water was not fit to even brush your teeth with, the infrastructure was poorly maintained, it’s mayor was corrupt and you could leave a lush embassy party and see someone eating out of a trash can in front. Make no mistake it is a very dangerous place with a high crime rate. Many unstable people have traveled to DC attracted to the center of government that often figures in their delusions.

Rock Creek Park is lovely. Too bad a wooded area has to be looked at as cover for a predator or street people instead of a wildlife habitat or place of pleasant seclusion.

That all said Condit is sneaky and a liar and showed an astonishing lack of compassion for if nothing else one of his constituents which leaves him open to suspicion. IMO

[benn8]

Jade, I hope you get a chance to read "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy." With the National Enquirer book about Chandra my local library has a copy in every branch library, but the NE book was a less expensive book.

I don't know what the solution is to get the book out into the public eye. It is sort of a specialiy book, and people have to do a certain type of reading to want to buy a copy of Murder on a Horse Trail.

benn8

[rd_jfc]

Hi benn and Jade and Viktor,

I saw some comments here on the Chandra case and registered to post here at Websleuths. My site at www.justiceforchandra.com is pretty specialized so its great to have more people here able to see and comment on Chandra's case, as I see from the number of active viewers at websleuths.com.

I hope to be able to pass on something from my experience in writing Murder on a Horse Trail:The Disappearance of Chandra Levy. We can post away here whether you've seen the book or not. I'll quote from it when it helps.

I think the most important thing is to deal with the common perception that Viktor, and for some reason it is usually men, express concerning Chandra being an all too common victim in a park. The rest is irrelevant if it is reasonable and likely that the cause of her murder was being in a secluded park alone.

One of the goals of my book is to show how that is not only not likely, but nearly unbelievable. I wish everyone could not only know the circumstances under which Chandra disappeared, not having a ticket home, telling her landlord a couple days prior to wait till the next day after she disappeared before she would be able to tell him when she was leaving, and in the midst of that uncertainty supposedly hiking for miles on a rough dirt and rock horse trail up into a lonely secluded mountaintop primevial forest that would spook the hardiest of you were to you to make that hike and videotape it.

I saw two couples with their dogs on an entire Friday afternoon in those woods where she was found. What has not been clearly explained is that she was found down the side of a steep hill below a picnic area where you can pull your car or horse trailer back into the woods to unload. In other words, it was an ideal spot to dump a body and an unbelievable spot to find a lone woman alive.

Also usually overlooked are two crime scene situations that are tell tale indications of being murdered by someone she knew: her body was found hundreds of feet down a steeply slanted and very difficult to traverse hillside, yet a hillside with too many trees for the body to roll there, and her insignia ring with 'CL' and her gold bracelet recently given her by Condit were missing but not found pawned anywhere. That is every indication of someone hiding her body and trying to make it look like a robbery, because they couldn't follow through as in a real robbery of a deadbeat drifter and pawn the jewelry. That's a dead giveaway.

The words jog in a park are easy to say and visualize. Replace jog in a park with a vertical climb up a mountain on a rough horse trail for half a mile in the deep solitude of a national forest and it is not a vision any woman would believe took place by another woman alone, without a cell phone, without her pepper spray, without so much as anything from her wallet, with nothing but the keys to her apartment, also missing. And with no id, only someone who knew her would know what door those keys unlocked.

Ralph Daugherty
author, Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy

[benn8]

Hello ralph, it is good that maybe there can be more discussion here about the Chandra Levy case. I posted on a news group today that more Legwork is needed in the Chandra Levy case. We can do some of the legwork here, but it is the police and the media who will have to do more legwork also, because they have the authority and the crime labs, etc.

Legwork is what made the old Dragnet policemen good policemen, plenty of legwork.

I am a little puzzled about Chandra's gold bracelet. Would she have been wearing her gold bracelet while jogging alone in the park? That does not seem too likely.

More likely she would have worn her gold bracelet if she was meeting someone whom she knew and was going to be with them. She would not have ran over to the park to meet someone. They would have met her at her apartment, or close by.

Carolyn was in town so Chandra would not have met Condit at his apartment. That leaves a question hanging, and I will let it hang here for anybody else to comment on who wants to.

If Condit did not meet Chandra outside of her apartment, and he could have, who else might have picked up Chandra in a car at her apartment to take her to a rendezvous?

As an older person I will just make one comment about our younger generations of today. I think they are a little too trusting.

benn8

[Camper]

I am intriqued by your appearance here rd, Ralph, I followed this case for substantial time, then became disallusioned by the non results coming from the DC PD.

Tell me, do you cover extensive information on our 'prime' suspect Mr. Condit?

For example did you determine the factual aspects of 'his' requirement that none ? of his female daliances carry personal identification during their 'times' with him?

Also did you ever note the unusual quality of the necklace that Joyce Chiang wore in her missing poster pictures. I thought it to be high quality jewelry that a 'friend' might have given to her. Also that the piece itself could have been tracked to the jewelry shop where it was purchased? Perhaps the same shop where the watch was purchased for a different friend of Condits, by Condit. I thought the piece so unusual that I actually made a duplicate of it for myself. All I have is speculation and observation, and reading and hearing information on the murders.

Additional thought, of course the necklace could have been given to her by a friend, or could have been a birthday gift, or ?? but it was not a run of the mill discount store piece of jewelry imop.

I do of course think, that there had in fact been a 'close' connection between Joyce and Mr. Condit.

One last question why do you feel that the police searches were not effective? Did they use bloodhounds, do you know in their searches for Chandra.

I shall get your book, I have three books in line first to read, and I am a slow reader, because of my 'real life' not enough time to sit and read steadily.

[rd_jfc]

Well, I am here because benn got a conversation going about Chandra's case and there are some sharp people here, and as he says that is a good thing. I believe I delve into every aspect of discussions we had on the various crime boards on Chandra's case in the last three years, of course the majority of the discussions taking place that summer.

Murder on a Horse Trail presents information and analysis on all aspects of her disappearance but leaves the questions for the reader to ponder. I tried to write this true crime as a murder mystery. We will see how well readers accept that, as it is neither a fanciful murder mystery wrapped up with a bow tie ending nor a police procedural ending in a conviction. It is more a police non-procedural wrapped up in mystery.

I think the veteran posters such as yourself will be pleased at how all the details you wonder about are covered and presented as part of understanding what happened, and in fact some key points in the book were provided from some internet posts. Larry King, Greta, Dateline, and Geraldo provide the dialogue for the story, and the real investigative reporting provided by Allan Lengel, Michael Doyle, and Niles Lathem. I add my analysis of recreating her last day by looking at what was found on her computer and describing the trek on the horse trail.

I mention the circumstances of Joyce Chiang's disappearance in the book, but didn't go into her murder in depth. There's definitely a story there though.

benn, asking who could have driven her there dead or alive is one question, but I think another way to ask that is, who was close to Chandra and what is their alibi for when she disappeared Tuesday afternoon? I look into that in depth in the book.

rd

[rd_jfc]

<i>Camper wrote:

One last question why do you feel that the police searches were not effective? Did they use bloodhounds, do you know in their searches for Chandra.

I shall get your book, I have three books in line first to read, and I am a slow reader, because of my 'real life' not enough time to sit and read steadily.</i>


In the chapter Rock Creek Park I point out several reasons the searches were ineffective, starting with the FBI not getting back to the DC police with what was on Chandra's computer for two and a half months. If your daughter or loved one were missing and the police couldn't even determine what was on her computer as a clue where to look for two and half months, you would have to wonder why that is. If your daughter was the girlfriend of a Congressman and she disappeared in Washington, DC and the FBI were the ones who couldn't tell you what was on her computer, then incompetence can't help but blur into conspiracy.

The DC police also refused help from search teams with dogs and ordered the Modesto police to turn over any information they had and to not investigate. It appears that the search in Rock Creek Park as wel as the search of Condit's apartment around the same time were nothing more than public relations exercises meant to make people go away and leave Washington to be Washington, home of diplomatic immunity for more than foreign diplomats.

Thanks, let me know what you think of Murder on a Horse Trail when you get a chance to read it. Only three books to go, and you're a slow reader? It'll be awhile. :)

rd

[Camper]

IF you have not read the book "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy it appears that your and my assessment of the foot dragging techniques by 'Investigating Washington DC bodies' is a well taught and learned ability.
This book is very difficult to find, you just about have to 'know someone' or make dozens of querys to find 'it'

rd, you posted,
Thanks, let me know what you think of Murder on a Horse Trail when you get a chance to read it. Only three books to go, and you're a slow reader? It'll be awhile.

rd

I will not be slow in getting it and it will be in my pile soon.

[rd_jfc]

Wonderful. Thanks much, camper.

rd

[benn8]

rd, I will have to look again in the book about that close friend of Chandra's. What I am wondering is what kind of friends did the friend have. After all a Congressman can have many different friends.

Oops, I just let that slip out there.

Camper, you may be the best detective here. I did not get your Vincent Foster book yet, a snafu at the library, my snafu. Amazon.com probably has it, and I will look there. I don't like to have to read a book in a hurry. It is easier to read a used book.

benn8

[Rubydoo67]

Hi Camper and all,

I live in the DC area and also feel it's a shame that this horrible murder was brushed under the rug.

IMHO, initially the police were actively investigating this crime. They staked out Condit's apt. They questioned many people, they basically said they believed that no "homeless person" or "stranger" had abducted her. For whatever reason, all this was backed off of when the remains were found. The finding of the remains was also weird.............many people think the remains were moved there a long time after she was killed.............

Rock Creek park is a beautiful park, full of hiking, bike riders and joggers. For the # of people there, it's not that common to have a mugging or anything like that. They do happen but no more so than anything other park. Rock Creek park is HUGE! Plus, I believe the place where Chandra's remains were found is VERY far off the beaten path.

I vaguely remember it being reported that Condit had secretly travelled overnight to Luray Cavern's area (in VA., about a few hours from DC) and was spotted making a phone call from a McD's parking lot?? Does anyone remember that?

There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?

Personally, I think this is a political coverup........DC is governed by Congress and has no rights, representation of it's own. Solely relies on Congress for just about everything.........

I do believe Condit has a hand in this somehow.

Rubydoo

[Camper]

You posted in part,
""The finding of the remains was also weird.............many people think the remains were moved there a long time after she was killed............""

Oh Ruby, this is interesting, since Chandra's murder had a governmental twist to it. In the Vincent Foster book, there was NOT enough blood where they found his body, to indicate that he was 'shot' on the spot where he was found. Therefore the 'thinker' in me speculates that he was also 'moved' to a new location. How quaint!

Can you elaborate on the part of your post that says, ""many people think, body moved"", etc.
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""Rock Creek park is HUGE! Plus, I believe the place where Chandra's remains were found is VERY far off the beaten path.""

As I recall Condit lived quite near the park. I cannot remember with clarity now, but did he not have access to the park headquarters by way of his governmental office held? As I recall the office was closed on the day, she disappeared, so no one would have been there. My memory is dim on this now.

""I vaguely remember it being reported that Condit had secretly travelled overnight to Luray Cavern's area (in VA., about a few hours from DC) and was spotted making a phone call from a McD's parking lot?? Does anyone remember that?""

Yes I remember that, I donut remember what his explanation for that was, or IF IF there was one. I do seem to think the little guy from his office that accompanied him when he dumped a McD container with the olde watch box, of the watch he had given another paramour, has had some involvement in some of this. Memorable, but I cannot remember that 'aides ?' name.

As I recall to travel to Luray Caverns a person most likely passes a governmental ?, toxic dump area. I also vaguely recall a 'cabin' in a remote area that was used by someone in government ?, this was dug up, written in the media, when real estate offices were contacted about rentals in that area. As I write this now it does seem ODD about how that information reared its head. Hmmm.

Something that came to mind was the weekend party with Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopecne sp? that had a larger group of attendees. Donut know that anything even remotely resembles that type of activity in Chandras case. Humans are so similar, history may have repeated itself there, in some fashion, we know that a dead girl happened in both instances, whatever the Chandra 'instance' was. I donut know.

The DC police and all of the 'professional governmental investigators' ended up with ZERO, or so it would seem.

""There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?""

I do remember he had a brother with a dubious problem, as I recall he had been in police work, then booted out or something, cannot recall 'detail' of that information. Also I do not remember ever hearing that bro was in DC at that time, I find that interest also.

I would love to hear more from you on things you remember about the case. I did send several bits of my 'wise' speculative thoughts to DCPD, and did receive thank you responses. But maybe they all went into file #13.

Continue hunting Benn8, wonder if someone bought up all of Christophers Ruddys book, and they are all in a storage bin somewhere? Hmmm.

rd, when was your book published, did you self publish, and how is distribution going and sales? Might have another BIG Hmmm happening.

[deputylinda]

not that it means anything, but i grew up in maryland/DC area. my dad was in government. in my constutionally protected opinion, condit is involved. when i was 17 i had dinner with a congressman who wanted to set me up in an apt. to have sex with me when he was in town. i told him to go to hell. he was from tenn. i'm tempted to say his name since i have nothing he can sue me for.but for now i will say nothing else.

[Camper]

WE posted at the same time!! Is he still in office?

I also assume he is most likely married. There should be a law, that includes a rope and a tall branchy tree for the fine fellows.

Feel free to pm me.

[Rubydoo67]

Hi Camper,

I only have a second right now, I'll get back in more detail, but here's a nice timeline I have for you, with some links and such:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/levy_timeline.html

Rubydoo

[Camper]

Outstanding, I could not find a date as to when the timeline was printed. Also I clicked on the link for the 'thorough' search of Condits apartment 'video' and it is no longer available.

I am stricken when reading the timeline, about how often he is with 'staff'. Picked up by staff, is frequently stated, not 'picked up by a staff member' or a name provided. I betcha a nickel it was the same 'staff' member that had McD food, and was in the car when Condit was dumping the empty container that had the original watch box inside, for the watch gift that was given to one of his girlfriends.

So the wife goes home May 3rd.

I am thinking which is probably a common thought with many others, that he could have had a staffer pick up Chandra, and take her 'somewhere' until his wife goes home and they can talk/kill etc.

I am wondering how and what Mr. Condit keeps busy 'these' days.

I and everyone else just sorta remember her murder and many other unsolved ones, and WHAT can be done about it from our view?????? So frustrating!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like we are ready for an investigative group higher than the FBI, a group that could supercede the governmental influence. Just common non governmentally connected CRACK detectives with a mission and a no holds barred ability to get the TRUTH and solve the cases, let the chips fall where they may!!!!!!!!!!

How are we ever going to get honesty going again in our officials, womanizing (ok deal ?!#&*^)(under the table transactions!!*&&^%)(looking the other way to unseemly fixing of 'things'!*&^^%)

We are sinking in the quicksand of (coveritupitis). Rather than like the little kitten who scratches on the vinyl floor trying to coveritup, we have Real Professionals in the art of coveringitup. If any RP's are reading here, shame on you!!!

Rubydoo67 your link is so enlightening and raises so MANY MANY questions!!!!!!!!!!!

Staff does things that the politician cannot take time to do because of the pressing nature of his job. Can anyone reading here doubt but that someone on staff picked up Chandra to take her to a waiting place, til the wife left. Hmmm imop.

Can anyone here doubt that a staff member made a reservation for a holding place somehow, yes or no. imop.

I also remember something about a housekeeper male type, who did janitorial things in the Condits apartment. I seem to recall that he spotted Sado Masachistic things in Condits closet and reported it to the building manager and was fired, during this investigation period. Anyone remember that, perhaps that is in the link information, have not tried to access other links in the link except the one about the cleaning of Condits apt., and the link did not work there.

[rd_jfc]

Hi Camper and all,

Like you say, so many questions flooding back, still unanswered, and the excuses for not answering them bare for all to see after three years. That is what Murder on a Horse Trail does, tells the story and lays what we know and those unanswered questions on the line.

Agents and publishers told me that it would take more than a year to publish the book, if anyone would take it on. With Condit intimidating the police, the press, writers, and the publishing industry with his lawsuits, who would take this on? I self-published to get this information out now while it is relevant. It is libel suit proof. I can't be sued for asking questions, questions like that found in the posts above, unanswered questions about why we still have unanswered questions.

Murder on a Horse Trail has sold a few copies, thank you, but not very many people know about it. It's in the review stage that a publisher goes through to get copies of the book out to reviewers before it's published. I and some others have sent some copies to some people we think will be interested in commenting on it, but I don't know that any comment will make it into a news article or review. We'll have to wait and see.

It's not quite news, not scandalous enough to get attention from tabloids, but there's a human interest story here that people love, an unsolved crime, internet sleuthers not letting it go, pulling it together into a story that reporters don't have the time and space to do. I think people will love it when they start reading it and start asking questions, like you do here. Maybe it will get some more people interested in web sleuthing as well. I think it will.

rd

[Jade]

Now I am very interested in reading the book. I did not realize that she was found so far off the beaten trail.

[LSun]

""There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?""


Are you talking about Hoppy, the younger brother? (his real name is Darrell, but Hoppy is his nickname) He's been in trouble with the law for years. He was arrested in Fort Lauderdale, Florida a few months after Chandra went missing. It was for a parole violation (from 1997) and possession of marijuana. To the best of my recollection, I don't believe he was in D.C. at the time of Chandra's disappearance. I could be wrong, though; I just don't remember hearing that.

Condit's older brother, Burl, is a police sargeant in Modesto.

[Camper]

LSun, you have atributed a post to me that I did not make.

I am posting the original post by Rubydoo, that had posted the information that quoted as belonging to me. I have highlighted the portion of Rubydoos post in red so that you may see who did write it.

Thanks.


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Rubydoo67
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Hi Camper and all,

I live in the DC area and also feel it's a shame that this horrible murder was brushed under the rug.

IMHO, initially the police were actively investigating this crime. They staked out Condit's apt. They questioned many people, they basically said they believed
that no "homeless person" or "stranger" had abducted her. For whatever reason, all this was backed off of when the remains were found. The finding of the
remains was also weird.............many people think the remains were moved there a long time after she was killed.............

Rock Creek park is a beautiful park, full of hiking, bike riders and joggers. For the # of people there, it's not that common to have a mugging or anything like
that. They do happen but no more so than anything other park. Rock Creek park is HUGE! Plus, I believe the place where Chandra's remains were found is
VERY far off the beaten path.

I vaguely remember it being reported that Condit had secretly travelled overnight to Luray Cavern's area (in VA., about a few hours from DC) and was spotted
making a phone call from a McD's parking lot?? Does anyone remember that?

There also seemed to be speculation about Condit's brother. I remember reading he was some kind of convict who happened to be in the DC area right when Chandra disappeared, and then was gone again............anyone remember that?

Personally, I think this is a political coverup........DC is governed by Congress and has no rights, representation of it's own. Solely relies on Congress for just about everything.........

I do believe Condit has a hand in this somehow.

Rubydoo
__________________
24 Q. Okay. You didn't walk out with a sofa, right?
25 A. I walked out with a gun.

McAllister & Brocchini exchange...

[rd_jfc]

I cover Darrell in Murder on a Horse Trail and point out that while the Star quoted alleged fellow construction workers that Darrell was missing from work for a couple of weeks during which Chandra disappeared, the Star nor any other publication provides any corroboration of it either. .

On the other hand, I ask why no one has looked into where Darrell was May 1. If he wasn't at his temp construction job, where was he? Why wouldn't lack of confirmation of pay records for him in Florida from his temp labor company make looking into his whereabouts a requirement for an investigator? Was he missing from work? Did he return limping with a cane after Chandra disappeared? Did the Star make it up? Enquiring minds want to know.

rd

[VespaElf]

IF you have not read the book "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy it appears that your and my assessment of the foot dragging techniques by 'Investigating Washington DC bodies' is a well taught and learned ability.
This book is very difficult to find, you just about have to 'know someone' or make dozens of querys to find 'it'

rd, you posted,
Thanks, let me know what you think of Murder on a Horse Trail when you get a chance to read it. Only three books to go, and you're a slow reader? It'll be awhile.

rd

I will not be slow in getting it and it will be in my pile soon.


Amazon has the the Vincent Foster book!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074324253X/qid=1086534697/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8570312-9073733?v=glance&s=books

[benn8]

I have not posted here in a little while, but I have been reading the messages.

>>>I also remember something about a housekeeper male type, who did janitorial things in the Condits apartment. I seem to recall that he spotted Sado Masachistic things in Condits closet and reported it to the building manager and was fired, during this investigation period. Anyone remember that, perhaps that is in the link information, have not tried to access other links in the link except the one about the cleaning of Condits apt., and the link did not work there.<<<<

That is a good subject, Camper, that you brought up. I remember hearing about that janitor, but no one seems to remember him anymore. A guy like that does not just disappear, he is around somewhere.

All right, here is some new news. Well, it is new here because I don't see it posted yet. It is a couple of days old, but I just saw it today.

>>>"Levys open door for civil lawsuit"<<<
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8732824p-9609066c.html<<<

I saw this on a message by blondie, but not here. I think blondie posts here sometimes. This is real news, we will have to see what happens.

I am going to try to look a little more for that janitor that worked for Condit, or worked for the apartment house management.

benn8

[englishleigh]

I wonder if the Levys still have Billy Martin on retainer and if he would be the one to represent them in a civil suit??

I think they are waiting to see if a certain person prevails in his own civil suits and then they are going to go after this. I hope they do. It's time certain people were made to answer some questions under oath in this matter.

[benn8]

Here is what I copied out of the ModBee story, fair use.

>>>Susan Levy and her attorney, Paul Echols of Modesto, declined to discuss Chandra Levy's estate or potential lawsuits.<<<

The Levys also had another California attorney who was mentioned in a previous article. I don't keep a good file system on all of these names.

I don't know if Billy Martin is still involved or not. I think he is too much a part of the Washington scene to do a good job on Chandra's case. There will have to be some kinds of developments on the case now.

benn8

[Camper]

Betcha the janitor that cleaned Condits apartment could tell some stories. I cannot remember where I read about his getting fired for telling the SM story, or who got the story out of him. Do you think LE got the story, or a reporter?

I wonder if he is still 'alive and well'?

Whistle blowers seem to meet unsavory fates sometimes, or unexplained 'natural' accident deaths, or 'self' inflicted ?' gunshots.

Condit has certainly disappeared out of the news casts.
Wonder what he does to keep busy these days. I am certain his retirement from Government office has kept him eating, and sleeping comfortably.

Maybe he wears a brown bag over his head when he goes 'out'.

[benn8]

I had forgotten that janitor overnight. I did do one search for him last night, but there were too many hits.

It would be good to find a news story that mentioned him. I bet a lot of reporters had forgotten about him, and the police also. Of course the police are not looking for anything unless it is connected with Chandra's disappearance. To them nothing is connected to her disappearance.

The janitor lead seems to be the best thing going right now.

benn8

[Camper]

I have no doubt NOT entered the precise information in a search engine, to pull up info on the "janitor' of Mr. C's apartment building.

Here is an interesting link, that may give one of you interested people a clue to work on, in looking for it.

http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/gary-condit-stakeout-july01.html

I cannot figure out in my pore hed, why residents of his building would camp out on the apartment building steps. It would appear that either the residents did not want the police in the building, or WHUT?

The longer I live, the more confused I get, about people and their behaviors.

I am wondering if the building offers apartment cleaning services to all the residents??

Busy day again today, carry on.

[benn8]

Hello Camper, I really have not had much time to look at that PM I sent to you about the man cleaning up Condit's apartment. I don't know how much NE says is truth and how much is fiction. That article mentions Carolyn's twisted thumbs, and also her having scars on her from a whip or something hitting her.

If all that was true why didn't we see more about it in the media? There seems to be smoke there, but not much fire, or no fire.

benn8

[benn8]

Camper, I am going to address this to you. I have not been around for a while because there was not much new, except "Murder on a Horse Trail." I have the ebook of that, as well as the paperback. I like the ebook because you don't have to read it all at once. You can do keyword searches. If you look up Geragos you will get the times that he is mentioned in the book, and the pages are right there for you to read, no thumbing through pages to get to where you want to go.

ok, I am going to answer your Joyce Chiang comments.

>>>Also did you ever note the unusual quality of the necklace that Joyce Chiang wore in her missing poster pictures. I thought it to be high quality jewelry that a 'friend' might have given to her. Also that the piece itself could have been tracked to the jewelry shop where it was purchased? Perhaps the same shop where the watch was purchased for a different friend of Condits, by Condit. I thought the piece so unusual that I actually made a duplicate of it for myself. All I have is speculation and observation, and reading and hearing information on the murders.<<<

Sometimes when one reads something again after a period of time the same writing seems a little different. What occurred to me here, Camper, is that you might write to Joyce Chiang's brother. He seemed very interested in trying to solve the case. If you don't have an address I might be able to get an address for him at www.justiceforchandra.com The key word here is communication. A lot of things are possible through communication.

There is up to date news about the Carolyn Condit v National Enquirer lawsuit that was supposed to be settled. I don't know if that is posted anywhere else on this site. A judge in Fresno, California has told the two parties that they must get together and agree on a written agreement, by the end of this month, or he is going to set the case up as a libel case in court. That is the way I interpreted it. You can find up to date stories by putting Carolyn Condit in the Google search line and then clicking on News.

I noticed something else that I wrote about the Otis Thomas story here, but I will get back to it later. It has to do with the ModBee so maybe I can write to them to try to clear something up.

cheers or God Bless,
benn8

[WasBlind]

I don't know if this was posted, or not, but I find this to be quite telling

http://www.statementanalysis.com/condit/

Howdy, Benn8! I hope you are doing well.

Blessings to all and prayers for justice for Chandra, Lanie
HelpForTheMissing@yahoo.com

[Camper]

Benn8, what I did about my jewelry speculation was to send my thoughts to the DC police, and I sent an email to the reporter who had done an in depth interview for a DC newspaper with Joyce's brother.

I sent a number of sleuth thoughts to DCPD by email.

I did not get any response from the reporter.
Received a thank you from DCPD, and of course nothing after than. Where things went from there is a mystery.

The interview with Joyces' brother was found online, I don't know if it could still be found, and I believe the paper was a DC one.

I feel certain that lots of smart people had lots of smart thoughts, the problem is that ALL smart people do or did not communicate collectively on what THEY found with everyone one else that might have given a big jump start to finding Chandra's killer.

Sorta like Bush cleaning up the communication gap between the FBI and the CIA.

Course ol' Condit was a member of the Intelligence Committee, you remember that too I hope. Hmmm. Then 911 happened and slid Condit under the newsheadlines. The end. Time erases memories, and NEW news takes its place.

That was convenient wasn't it? Was that coincidental, who knows.

In my next life I would like to be a REAL detective.

[benn8]

Hello Camper,

You said: >>>
In my next life I would like to be a REAL detective.<<<

Well, you could start practicing now!!!

Here is the name of someone whom you might be interested in writing too, Joseph D. McNamara, Ph.D. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute located on the Stanford University Campus in California. I wrote to him once about the Chandra Levy investigation, and he answered right away. I am thinking about writing to him again now about the Otis Thomas story that was part of the Chandra Levy case, only now most of the media have almost erased it completely.

I don't have his mailing address right now. I probably have his email address over at www.justiceforchandra.com. Here is information on him.

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/BIOS/mcnamara.html

Now I will get to the rest of my message here about Joyce Chiang's brother.

I don't have Roger Chiang's address, but here is an article that rd dug up at Justice for Chandra.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2173

Only part of this message is about Joyce Chiang's brother. I will quote the part about him.

>>> Roger Chiang, who works for the Democratic National Committee in Washington, said missing adults should receive more attention on television and the Internet.
"You can't address adult missing persons without the help of technology and television," he said.
Chiang's 29-year-old sister, Joyce Chiang, disappeared in January 1999 after friends dropped her off at a Starbucks in the District of Columbia.
Chiang claims police at first were slow to investigate the case. When he and friends passed out fliers about his sister, an Immigration and Naturalization Service lawyer, police on the beat in their Dupont Circle neighborhood said superiors never told them to be on alert for a missing woman.
A canoeist found Joyce Chiang's decomposed body floating in the Potomac River three months later. The cause of her death is undetermined, D.C. police spokesman Thomas McGuire said.
McGuire disputed Roger Chiang's claim that they gave the case little attention. Both city police and FBI agents launched a massive search for Joyce Chiang, he said.

840,000 go missing
More than 840,000 adults and juveniles were reported missing in the<<< (snip)

Here's a few more comments by rd.
>>>
rd wrote: >>>His name is Roger Chiang, benn. Here's the major article on him:

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=13074&highlight=joyce+chiang+brother#13074


rd wrote: >>>He's not listed in phone listings for DC but could be for Va or Md. I don't have a Washington metro phone book to check.

He works for the Democratic National Committee.

"Roger Chiang, who works for the Democratic National Committee in Washington, said missing adults should receive more attention on television and the Internet. "

That is the same article that I posted at the beginning here, with a few comments by rd also. I thought there were two articles.

benn

[princessmer81]

I just saw on Rita (Fox News) that there may be a break in the Chandra Levy class - unfortunatley I was folding laundry so I wasn't paying close attetion to what they were saying. I hope to hear more on it soon.

[HazyMP]

I just saw on Rita (Fox News) that there may be a break in the Chandra Levy class - unfortunatley I was folding laundry so I wasn't paying close attetion to what they were saying. I hope to hear more on it soon.

I Googled her and didn't find anything. Guess we'll have to wait.

[deputylinda]

i have not read this thread...so please excuse me for butting in...Chandra was all anyone talked about before 9-11. 9-11 saved condit's butt. i will never believe he was not involved. too many 'coincidences'. and DC politics are CUT-THROAT, don't kid yourself. i grew up in DC, my dad in government, as a scientist, not politician. when i was 17 a senator asked me to be his mistress for when he was in town. not uncommon at all. he had to be 55. and i was a kid.

[Lili]

I just saw on Rita (Fox News) that there may be a break in the Chandra Levy class - unfortunatley I was folding laundry so I wasn't paying close attetion to what they were saying. I hope to hear more on it soon.
Rita said there were a couple people of interest, one possibly being Condit's former driver. :waitasec:

[atbay]

Also heard Lynch was avoiding the media.....hope Edgar Hoover's minions (still called the Edgar Hoover building) put some scare into Mr. Blow Dry whatever rock they have to turn over to find him...

I will always be amazed that without gerrymandering his district, he would have been re-elected! In fact, he carried Stani slaw county!

[englishleigh]

I just woke up to this news and I am ecstatic...they are re-questioning people close to Condit, including his driver and also a Maryland man who helped work for Condit's defense during that time, if I heard that correctly. YEEESSSSS!! I'm like Deputy Linda, I will NEVER believe that a certain Congressman didn't know exactly what happened to Chandra. I have prayed for justice to be done in this case and for the Levys for so long.

[TisHerself]

I am thrilled at this news really hope this is it, and they can nail Condit's butt. I too always believed he was involved.

[Sprocket]

This is wonderful news... let's hope there is a prayer of something happening.... that justice finally does come for Chandra.

[fishyfishy4]

a ray of hope! let's hope it goes somewhere..................like straight to Blow Dry:liar:

[bluehawaii25]

IMO, Gary Condit knows exactly what happened to Chandra (whether he was directly or indirectly involved)! I bet that guy was thrilled for 911 to occur. That was all the media talked about up to that point. Then it all just faded away. I hope this new breakthrough will help "crack the case" and give the Levy's some understanding of what happened to their daughter.

[deputylinda]

The feds are trying to connect condit to photos of some guy who is a 'prime suspect'. i'm just hearing this on fox now. no name on suspect...this was based on a tip, and speculation of course. what is interesting is if they are trying to put condit with this guy... that says he's still on the radar. :twocents:

[rd_jfc]

Thanks for the info. The FBI was just asking Flammini if he saw the guy with Condit. If anybody sees more on what Rita reports, would you post it? Thanks!

rd

[AuntieKaren]

Hi DL--
I, too, believe Condit was somehow involved but I don't think he, himself, killed her. I think Chandra was pregnant. (Remember the conversation she had with her aunt?) and I think Condit knew she was pregnant. Beyond that, I really don't know what happened...
Karen

[deputylinda]

Hi DL--
I, too, believe Condit was somehow involved but I don't think he, himself, killed her. I think Chandra was pregnant. (Remember the conversation she had with her aunt?) and I think Condit knew she was pregnant. Beyond that, I really don't know what happened...
Karen
i would not be surprised if the smarmy little weasel met her in rock creek park and did it himself...if you pay someone, you have to get rid of them too. because, let me tell you, in DC the ONLY thing that matters is your position of power, NOTHING ELSE. not family, certainly not girlfriend...it's all about the power. i know, i grew up in that atmosphere. .....and let me add, this is just my constitutionally-protected opinion.

[Sprocket]

Hi DL--
I, too, believe Condit was somehow involved but I don't think he, himself, killed her. I think Chandra was pregnant. (Remember the conversation she had with her aunt?) and I think Condit knew she was pregnant. Beyond that, I really don't know what happened...
Karen
I am not certain, but I believe this rumor was dispelled by her mother, who stated that her daughter and her, were going through their menstrual cycles at the same time, approximately 2 weeks before she disappeared.

I think I remember reading this on an old chandra site, now closed. Maybe rd has more specifics on this, at his site & archives.

[solidarity]

Interesting to see that the police still seem focused on Condit....as should be!

[lisafremont]

I, too, have always thought that that Congressional Weasel was dirty. Remember that little trip to dispose of the box? Remember that Connie Chung interview in which he kept repeating his "I am not a perfect husband" mantra? But his answers, his whole demeanor seemed so weaselly? You bet he was grateful to Al Qaeda for sweeping his sorry butt off the front page. And if his constituents were ready to reelect him, shame on them!

[englishleigh]

An article from today on the case:

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9097342p-9997353c.html

[Pepper]

Too bad this case is now cold. If the Washington PD had done their job right in the first place, perhaps they could have solved this in the beginning. I still wonder if his top aids have been questioned (Lynch & Dayton).

Personally I think Condidit knows more than he's ever admitted. While I don't think he would personally dirty his hands or mess up his hairdo, I do think he knows what happened.

I'm anxious to see him grilled by the defense attorneys. Since he brought the suits, he can't hide behind the 5th amendment or congressional privilege!

[halycon]

The Globe tabloid has a cover story on Chandra this week. Apparently there is a new grand jury. Three people who know Condit have been shown photos of a man who used to throw parties. He's the guy Rita Cosby mentioned I guess. He worked for the DoD and lives in Maryland.

I just saw the Enquirer story in the store. It has a cover story on Chandra too. Says it will name the killer but doesn't. The Globe had much more detail. But the Enquirer has a photo of the gravesite.

How wonderful that there may be closure for that family. What a heartbreak. Her parents just looked lost through that awful experience. I guess I would too. :(

[benn8]

This is Condit v. Dunne related, but it is really about the Chandra Levy case. There has been an update in the Condit v. Dunne civil suit.

This has been the only report I have seen about this news. Of course we do have it at www.justiceforchandra.com where I first read it.

>>>from www.nypost.com (fair use)

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm

October 4, 2004 -- <<<

>>>Lin Wood, the lawyer for former California Congressman Condit, spent two days this week questioning Dunne under oath in Condit's defamation suit against the Vanity Fair diarist. The two-day grilling was
videotaped, and Wood is preparing arguments for the
tapes to be made public.<<<

Dunne's attorney, Paul LiCalsi, did not do so well questioning Condit last Monday. Both sides seem to want to display the results of their questioning.

>>>The main issue, LiCalsi said, will be his motion "to
force Mr. Condit to anwer questions" about his
relationship with Chandra Levy. "It turned out to be a
very frustrating day," LiCalsi said. "He refused to
answer on a claim of privilege, which has no merit."<<<

So the drama continues. There should be some followup news on the depositions being made. I have not seen any yet. Read the whole article.

benn8

[Kathy C]

I always felt that the Levy parents weren't playing with a full deck. At the time of Chandra's disappearance, TV stations kept playing a home movie of Chandra where you can hear her say, "I'll tell you in 5 years," re her boyfriend. As a mother (which I am not), I would have known immediately that my daughter was involved with a married man. Instantly. And the father saying, "We don't want to ruin anyone's career." If it was me, I'd have the cops all over Condit.

Now his career is over and he can't get a job. Why? Because people think he's guilty. I think he's as guilty as sin. They should have arrested him.

Chandra was a bright but naive girl who wanted to become a spook for the FBI. There's a little bit of playing with fire here. Why would she meet someone with only having her apartment keys, in a secluded area such as a park? It had to be to meet with someone she trusted.

I think the Levy's were well off. They should have hired a private investigator immediately. Now Condit feels comfortable suing publications that more or less implied he was the killer. It's his only alternative, as he's incapable of making a living.

Also, I could never see what these women saw in him. He's got that phony smile. He's wrinkled beyond his years. He looks like a skeleton. I'll never forget watching TV and one half of the screen showing rescuers going throught that park and the other half of the screen had Condit in Congress. It was really compelling. I bet Condit didn't even know he was on TV all day until later.

I read this once -- that Condit never missed a vote in all his years in Congress. But on the day Chandra Levy went missing, he supposedly missed 3 votes. Does anyone remember that?

And his phony kids on Larry King. They worked for Gray Davis, whom the people of California threw out as Governor.

Kathy C

[lex]

I always felt that the Levy parents weren't playing with a full deck. At the time of Chandra's disappearance, TV stations kept playing a home movie of Chandra where you can hear her say, "I'll tell you in 5 years," re her boyfriend. As a mother (which I am not), I would have known immediately that my daughter was involved with a married man. Instantly. And the father saying, "We don't want to ruin anyone's career." If it was me, I'd have the cops all over Condit.

Now his career is over and he can't get a job. Why? Because people think he's guilty. I think he's as guilty as sin. They should have arrested him.

Chandra was a bright but naive girl who wanted to become a spook for the FBI. There's a little bit of playing with fire here. Why would she meet someone with only having her apartment keys, in a secluded area such as a park? It had to be to meet with someone she trusted.

I think the Levy's were well off. They should have hired a private investigator immediately. Now Condit feels comfortable suing publications that more or less implied he was the killer. It's his only alternative, as he's incapable of making a living.

Also, I could never see what these women saw in him. He's got that phony smile. He's wrinkled beyond his years. He looks like a skeleton. I'll never forget watching TV and one half of the screen showing rescuers going throught that park and the other half of the screen had Condit in Congress. It was really compelling. I bet Condit didn't even know he was on TV all day until later.

I read this once -- that Condit never missed a vote in all his years in Congress. But on the day Chandra Levy went missing, he supposedly missed 3 votes. Does anyone remember that?

And his phony kids on Larry King. They worked for Gray Davis, whom the people of California threw out as Governor.

Kathy C

hi kathy! i agree with you about sleazy condit, but i would like to set the record straight on former govener gray davis.

ennron was bilking the state of california for millions of dollars. davis, though far from perfect, accused ennron and to my surprise and respect, followed through and helped bring down the energy giant.

davis = domocrat, ennron = republican (follow the money trail)
republicans pissed at davis, vow revenge. start recall
hire arnie to run against davis. arnie's can't loose campaign , "it's for the children" and "trust me" slogans along with his charismic personality and californias ruined (along with the whole U.S.) economy ( due to the collaspe of silicon valley and 911) make davis an easy scape goat.
http://www.sonoran-sunsets.com/california.html political corruption at its finest, oughta be a law against this.

[Kathy C]

Chandra was hanging out with spooks (FBI, etc.) Whoever killed her knew exactly what to do with her and kept her body from being discovered for over a year. The WTC happened and we forgot about Chandra Levy.

I said it before: she was playing with fire. Maybe her death was a way to get at Condit. To embarrass him and see him lose his seat. He might have crossed somebody.

Kathy C

[Pepper]

Lex, this is a little off topic, but I think you are misinformed on Gray Davis. The energy problem in CA was a lot more complicated than you imply. Partial utility deregulation meant prices utility companies could charge were capped, but as wholesale energy prices increased (AND THE UTILITIES HAD SOLD OFF MOST OF THEIR GENERATING PLANTS), the utilities were squeezed and PG&E was declared bankrupt.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0817-07.htm:
But in their haste to cash out, SoCalEd and PG&E made some critical miscalculations. Most important was their assumption that there would always be a surplus of cheap wholesale electricity. So they sold off too much of their generating capacity and had too little of their own supply at a time when rates were still frozen. Then came a hot summer and a cold winter. Natural-gas prices shot up. Some key generators went down. Storms knocked out transmission lines. The nukes had problems. The utilities found themselves at the mercy of independent producers who'd snapped up generating capacity and could manipulate the wholesale market. Having dismantled key efficiency programs, the utilities now realized that their customers, buying power at fixed costs, had little incentive to conserve. So demand quickly outstripped cheap wholesale supply, which now spiked up at the whim of those with power to sell. PG&E and SoCalEd became wounded, bleeding whales at the mercy of sharks they could not control.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/16/160145.shtml:
For California's electricity crisis might have been alleviated at a stroke: a stroke of the governor's pen. By allowing the utilities to raise their prices in line with their higher costs and to buy electricity under much cheaper, long-term contracts, Davis could have calmed the whole crisis and saved his taxpayers billions of dollars. He chose not to.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/21/173923.shtml:
However, Davis is playing fast and loose with the real facts of his relationship with Enron. For example, according to the Sacramento Bee, Davis has received $119,500 in campaign donations from Enron, including $42,500 since becoming governor. Davis openly stated that he would not return the Enron money.
In 1999, only months before the California energy crisis, Davis led a $200,000 trade trip to Europe for Enron. Davis traveled at California taxpayer expense with his wife for two weeks in Europe and finally in ancient Greece, lobbying on behalf of Enron for the Greek Wind Project.

Now back to Condit! I truly believe he knows more about Chandra Levy than he is willing to tell. Whether he was personally responsible, I guess we'll never know, but I certainly believe he knows what happened and who did it.

The keystone cops from the Washington DC PD didn't help either. First they refused to declare her missing or investigate for a week or two after her parents became concerned. Then they obviously didn't thoroughly search the park where her body was ultimately found. Then they didn't issue a warrant or search Condits apartment until months later.

Certainly makes me question who in Congress got to them and their dumb chief with a little pressure to not look too closely? Keep in mind that DC gets all its funding from where? CONGRESS!!

[lisafremont]

Haven't rad this whole thread but I just wanted to react to the showing this morning on the TODAY show of portions of the deposition by Gary Condit. In it, he denied that his relationship with Chandra was romantic or sexual! His eyes shifted and he would briefly look down when telling these, IMO, LIES.

What scum.

[Pepper]

I saw that lisa. What an effing liar he is! I hope Dunne has enough information to prove him the liar and scum he truly is.

[lex]

thanks pepper for the info! i will delve into this more when i have time. alot of corruption in those dealings, that's for sure.

[ThoughtFox]

I'm so glad this thread still exists! Chandra was my first real obsession over a case, and I wish something would break with Condit, the louse! :(

At any rate, I came across this transcript from a show Dan Abrams did on Tuesday night about the case:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6817768/

'The Abrams Report' for Jan. 11

Read the transcript to the 6 p.m. ET show
Updated: 1:46 p.m. ET Jan. 12, 2005

ABRAMS: Hi everyone. Former congressman Gary Condit denies under oath that he ever had a quote—“romantic relationship” with former Washington intern Chandra Levy. Remember this case was all over the headlines for months as family, friends, authorities franticly searched for Chandra after she was reported missing from a Washington, D.C. apartment.

Then, over a year after she disappeared, as the investigation seemed to have come to a dead end, her body found in a local park about four miles away from her home. But still, no suspects announced, and seemingly to this day, no breaks in the case. Former Congressman Gary Condit‘s name constantly associated with the case. Some of the tabloids even suggested he may have been involved even though it now seems there was no evidence to support that and many of them have settled lawsuits filed by Condit.

Nevertheless, there was a distinct impression from Levy‘s aunt and the questions Condit would not answer that he and Chandra had been more than just friends. In a moment we discuss whether Gary Condit got a raw deal on the whole in this whole case. But first now nearly four years after her disappearance, an exclusive deposition tapes obtained by NBC News, Gary Condit provides his side of the story. The tapes are sections from a deposition in an $11 million defamation suit Condit has filed against well-known author Dominick Dunne over some of his reporting in the Levy case.

Katie Couric has the story. . .

~~~More at Link~~~

Note: For some unknown reason, the transcriber of this piece put "Unidentified Male" instead of "Gary Condit" - so it is sort of confusing, but that is who is speaking.

I am frustrated that it sounds as if Condit is off the hook! That just isn't right, when he was involved with her and she had told her aunt about him!

[atbay]

I have not forgotten--Gary Condit's rotten!

[Sprocket]

I'm so glad this thread still exists! Chandra was my first real obsession over a case, and I wish something would break with Condit, the louse! :(

At any rate, I came across this transcript from a show Dan Abrams did on Tuesday night about the case:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6817768/

'The Abrams Report' for Jan. 11

Read the transcript to the 6 p.m. ET show
Updated: 1:46 p.m. ET Jan. 12, 2005

ABRAMS: Hi everyone. Former congressman Gary Condit denies under oath that he ever had a quote—“romantic relationship” with former Washington intern Chandra Levy. Remember this case was all over the headlines for months as family, friends, authorities franticly searched for Chandra after she was reported missing from a Washington, D.C. apartment.

Then, over a year after she disappeared, as the investigation seemed to have come to a dead end, her body found in a local park about four miles away from her home. But still, no suspects announced, and seemingly to this day, no breaks in the case. Former Congressman Gary Condit‘s name constantly associated with the case. Some of the tabloids even suggested he may have been involved even though it now seems there was no evidence to support that and many of them have settled lawsuits filed by Condit.

Nevertheless, there was a distinct impression from Levy‘s aunt and the questions Condit would not answer that he and Chandra had been more than just friends. In a moment we discuss whether Gary Condit got a raw deal on the whole in this whole case. But first now nearly four years after her disappearance, an exclusive deposition tapes obtained by NBC News, Gary Condit provides his side of the story. The tapes are sections from a deposition in an $11 million defamation suit Condit has filed against well-known author Dominick Dunne over some of his reporting in the Levy case.

Katie Couric has the story. . .

~~~More at Link~~~

Note: For some unknown reason, the transcriber of this piece put "Unidentified Male" instead of "Gary Condit" - so it is sort of confusing, but that is who is speaking.

I am frustrated that it sounds as if Condit is off the hook! That just isn't right, when he was involved with her and she had told her aunt about him!
I was under the impression, he finally fessed up the LE, after they questioned him for the fourth time? What gives?

[peggy]

Sprocket, ask D. Dunne what he thinks and maybe he fill you in on the lawsuit. Chandra was my first obsessive forum too, oh, the old Modbee days, what a wild forum before they shut it down. By accident ran into woman from Modesto today who thought it was terrible what media did to Condit, saying he did nothing wrong, because he was a preacher's son - she also said Scott was innocent, enough said.

[Sprocket]

Sprocket, ask D. Dunne what he thinks and maybe he fill you in on the lawsuit. Chandra was my first obsessive forum too, oh, the old Modbee days, what a wild forum before they shut it down. By accident ran into woman from Modesto today who thought it was terrible what media did to Condit, saying he did nothing wrong, because he was a preacher's son - she also said Scott was innocent, enough said.
Did you use to read the "Where'sChandra site, before the sponsors took it down? RD resurected it, lol!

You have to understand, that I don't have a "relationship" with Mr. Dunne, where I can just walk up to him, and ask him a bunch of questions about his legal troubles. :D

[benn8]

Does anyone know any updates on this case? It seems so unfair that the Levy's still haven't gotten justice for their daughter!

Hello River, I just began reading here tonight because I received a private message from Pepper, so after I replied to her message (hope I have that right) I began reading the messages here, and I saw the dates 1/11/2004. but I am a Chandra Levy case nut, so I thought I was reading 1/11/2005. Oh well, no matter, there are things going on in the Chandra Levy case, and much of what is going on seems to refer right back to the messages posted here.

Where I post most of the time, at www.justiceforchandra.com, we are watching with interest anything that we see about the Gary Condit v. Dominick Dunne civil lawsuit. In fact I saw the first hour of Dunnes new Court TV show at 8PM on Wednesday of last week. I did not get to watch his show this week. That is the same Dunne that Condit is suing.

Browse on over to www.justiceforchandra.com and maybe you can add something to the discussion there. As I wrote to Pepper I am not advocating anyone changing websites, but I think we learn by looking at diffeerent missing person websites. Most of us are working with the same goal, to help resolve some of these cases, or if I have that wrong you can speak up and say so.

I guess that I misled some of the members at the Justice for Chandra website by saying that there was a lot of discussion at Websleuths about the Chandra Levy case. Well, there was, a year ago at least. Also, maybe I have something wrong here and you have another discussion forum about Chandra Levy. I will stop back tomorrow to see.

benn8

[Sprocket]

Hello River, I just began reading here tonight because I received a private message from Pepper, so after I replied to her message (hope I have that right) I began reading the messages here, and I saw the dates 1/11/2004. but I am a Chandra Levy case nut, so I thought I was reading 1/11/2005. Oh well, no matter, there are things going on in the Chandra Levy case, and much of what is going on seems to refer right back to the messages posted here.

Where I post most of the time, at www.justiceforchandra.com (http://www.justiceforchandra.com), we are watching with interest anything that we see about the Gary Condit v. Dominick Dunne civil lawsuit. In fact I saw the first hour of Dunnes new Court TV show at 8PM on Wednesday of last week. I did not get to watch his show this week. That is the same Dunne that Condit is suing.

Browse on over to www.justiceforchandra.com (http://www.justiceforchandra.com) and maybe you can add something to the discussion there. As I wrote to Pepper I am not advocating anyone changing websites, but I think we learn by looking at diffeerent missing person websites. Most of us are working with the same goal, to help resolve some of these cases, or if I have that wrong you can speak up and say so.

I guess that I misled some of the members at the Justice for Chandra website by saying that there was a lot of discussion at Websleuths about the Chandra Levy case. Well, there was, a year ago at least. Also, maybe I have something wrong here and you have another discussion forum about Chandra Levy. I will stop back tomorrow to see.

benn8
RD put together a great site, after Where'sChandra bit the dust. Some of the great posters from that site, ended up at RD's. I've been meaning to buy his book, but the Blake trial has been pretty consuming. I'll have been in court, every day this week.

Dominick appears to be real nice.

[benn8]

I have not posted here in a while. I think I posted here yesterday on an old forum about Chandra. It will be interesting to see what will come out of the Gary Condit v. Dominick Dunne civil suit. I have read that Condit has painted himself into a corner. It is obvious that he does not want to talk, or to give the truth, but the judge now has ordered him to answer some questions that Condit did not answer before in previous questioning. What will Condit do? Perils of Pauline, that oldtime weekly movie mystery serial where Pauline was often seen in the last episode of the weekly drama tied to a log and coming down a track with rollers on it towards the teeth of a fastly revolving saw used to cut the logs in two, and Pauline also, if something did not rescue her in about 30 seconds, which was always next week.

If Condit talks he might give out too much confidential information to please himself. I don't know what that might be, but we can all imagine. If Condit does not talk the judge is not going to be happy. Maybe the trial will get thrown out of court. It would seem that lawyer Lin Wood is going to want Condit to answer questions, as little as possible of course, but still to answer questions. Without questions being answered Lin Wood may not have a trial case to win. Not much money to be made that way.

Anyway Condit is in the corner. Will he come out fighting, or what will he do? :) Wait until next week. benn8

[Pepper]

Benn, you are certainly more up on this case than I, so maybe you can answer some questions I have.

It seems to me that Condit can't have it both ways. He can't protect his privacy by refusing to answer intimate and potentially embarassing questions while he is suing Dunne for slander!

Do you think there is a possibility that Dunne has hired some good PIs that may have uncovered information to point toward Condit as knowing more than he wants to admit in the Levy murder?

Do you think that there was any sort of conspiracy between the keystone kops of DC and one or more members of Congress to drag their feet a little and look the other way at the Levy disappearance in the beginning?

Just curious......

[benn8]

I hope that I am writing in the right place here. The recent issue of the tabloid, Globe, has a story about the Chandra Levy case. It sounds interesting, but time will tell. Retired FBI man, I don't know all of his titles, Ted Gunderson, is mentioned in the story. Why the Globe was getting information from him is not quite clear (to me at least) yet.

benn8

[benn8]

Benn, you are certainly more up on this case than I, so maybe you can answer some questions I have.

It seems to me that Condit can't have it both ways. He can't protect his privacy by refusing to answer intimate and potentially embarassing questions while he is suing Dunne for slander!

Do you think there is a possibility that Dunne has hired some good PIs that may have uncovered information to point toward Condit as knowing more than he wants to admit in the Levy murder?

Do you think that there was any sort of conspiracy between the keystone kops of DC and one or more members of Congress to drag their feet a little and look the other way at the Levy disappearance in the beginning?

Just curious......

Pepper, sometimes I am not very good at answering. Somehow I missed your last message, or did not look at it closely. I will try to answer.

Well, things have happened since you wrote. We have not heard from the Dunne trial yet to see if Condit answered all of the questions the judge said he had to answer. It looks like he may have perjured himself, saying that Chandra was just a friend. I guess the court will tell us what happened, if Condit and Dunne do not make a secret agreement.

Did Dunne hire some PIs? I can only guess. The retired FBI man Ted Gunderson who is mentioned in a February Globe article as being involved in a Chandra Levy investigation is a licensed PI, so we can only guess how he became involved.

A conspiracy? I won't venture a guess on that. If you do an interenet search on Ted Gunderson you will come up with a lot of material. One thing Gunderson was involved in was getting out the suppressed video Conspiracy of Silence. I hope we hear some news from the Dunne trial soon.

benn8

[benn8]

Just updating this thread a little.

Gary Condit was supposed to be questioned some more by Dominick Dunne's attorney this Monday, Feb. 6, but Condit told his own attorney, Lin Wood, that he was too sick to make it. So it looks like another date will have to be scheduled for Condit to be questioned by Dunne's attorney.

Maybe a logical or illogical question is will Condit really answer any more questions?

There are a lot of different forces coming together here. I expect more definite news about this trial in the near future.

benn8

[halycon]

I heard on TV that there's a new grand jury. This is great news, if that's true.

[Sprocket]

Just updating this thread a little.

Gary Condit was supposed to be questioned some more by Dominick Dunne's attorney this Monday, Feb. 6, but Condit told his own attorney, Lin Wood, that he was too sick to make it. So it looks like another date will have to be scheduled for Condit to be questioned by Dunne's attorney.

Maybe a logical or illogical question is will Condit really answer any more questions?

There are a lot of different forces coming together here. I expect more definite news about this trial in the near future.

benn8 I hope this doesn't delay Dominick getting back here to cover the Blake trial. He was a great addition to the gallery.

[englishleigh]

Just updating this thread a little.

Gary Condit was supposed to be questioned some more by Dominick Dunne's attorney this Monday, Feb. 6, but Condit told his own attorney, Lin Wood, that he was too sick to make it. So it looks like another date will have to be scheduled for Condit to be questioned by Dunne's attorney.



benn8

Well, finally...something Condit and I agree on....he's sick!!! :loser: :razz:

[Camper]

Have been reading the recent activity here on the thread.

I watched LKL last night, his guests were Candee and Chad Condit, Gary Condit's children. LK had pieces of the interview from the suit against D Dunne, obtained exclusively by CNN. Gary did look older, worried, and like he had been or was sick. I would sort of equate it to the Don Knotts verion of nervous anxiety, but more pulled together.

Gary had his body language down pat, we only saw from the midshoulder area up, not full body, and by body language I mean he looked directly at the questioner (never saw the questioner - but recognized Wood by voice of course) no eyes down for Condit. There were a couple of eyes down as he turned his head quickly a couple of times then turned his gaze back to his questioner, who we did not actually see.

Dominick held his own on questions by Wood. I do think Wood has met MORE than his match on this go a round.

On LK interview of the grown children, they kept the family finger POINTING at Dunne for CREATING the reason that Condit lost his government seat.

I don't hold much hope for Condit winning, time will tell.

Condit and the children kept referring to Dunne as having personally accused Condit of murder on TV. LK assured them that Dunne NEVER said it on his program.

Does anyone reading, remember or have a source for what the Condit's are saying, whose show or interview would have held that accusation IF there was one?

Chad had one good point that I caught and that was that the DC dropped the ball, seemingly having searched the park for Chandra, yet her body was found there ONE YEAR LATER!

Boy if I had been an alien that just dropped in to visit earth yesterday, I might believe a bit differently. But, since I saw the cams chasing Condit all over the place right after Chandra went missing and his evading them and treating them like nothing. I saw Condit's behavior less than that for a gentleman, and disrespectful for the family, for not at least stopping and avowing his innocence to the cameras at the very outset of this case.

Candee also referred to the ex girlfriend/watch thingie, as someone who just came forward for her few minutes of fame or something to that effect.

Candee last night when asked about Chandra's aunt having talked with Chandra about a love interest in government, Candee said she found that interesting, since when Gary had supposedly tried to help Chandra afer her job ended, Gary had suggested that perhaps she could move in with her aunt. The aunt by the way when Chandra visited with her had not YET married the Levy relative and was not really her aunt at that time.

Candee said she found it unbelievable because Chandra had responded to Gary about the moving in with the aunt with, 'No she did not get along with the aunt', or something to that effect and quite affirmative about it.

Anyone please post links to further info on the suit, I am not following this closely but very interested in the suit. I hope D Dunne gets something going on this.

About Condit's eyes last night I would at times call them being shifty, you could dang near see the wheels turning behind em.

I just hope that TRUTH prevails and something gets settled to help the Levy family.



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[ThoughtFox]

Camper: This says that it was on "Laura Ingraham's" radio show. Isn't that supposed to be "Laura Ingalls"? I wonder if that is the same woman who is on Greta sometimes talking about Laci Peterson?

Anyway, here is the transcript for the Cadee and Chad Condit interview on LKL.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/11/lkl.01.html

Excerpt:

CADEE CONDIT: Dad's is in the ice cream business with us, and he spends part of his time in California.

KING: When in California, what's he doing?

CHAD CONDIT: He's at home.

KING: Is the lawsuit consuming him?

CHAD CONDIT: Yeah, the lawsuit's pretty time consuming.

KING: How's your mom taking it?

CADEE CONDIT: Mom's doing well. It's definitely been a difficult time, but she's hanging in there.

KING: The lawsuit involves statements that Dominick made on this program and on Laura Ingraham's radio show, right?

CHAD CONDIT: Yes, sir.

KING: Was he watching the shows at the time or listening, to your knowledge?

CHAD CONDIT: Well, you know, part of the Justice PAC that Cadee mentioned was what we did after we lost the reelection, is we went back and we read everything, watched all your shows, read all your shows, because you covered it pretty heavy, a lot of networks did. So we researched the media coverage. And so I don't know if dad was watching it, but we did hear about what Dominick said. I think I was watching it the night he was on here. But we've read all the media charges, all the stuff that was said during that intense period. And we know who stepped over the bounds, and Dominick was certainly one of those individuals that did.

KING: There are some who might have said, Cadee, let it go. It's over, you lost the reelection, the body's been found, he's not been charged, go on with life.

CADEE CONDIT: You know, Mr. King, innocent people...

KING: Call me Larry.

CADEE CONDIT: I'll try. Innocent people fight back. Dominick Dunne crossed a line, just as the tabloids did, they called my dad a murderer, insinuating that he had something to do with the kidnapping of Chandra Levy. He's innocent. He didn't have anything to do with it, and Dominick needs to be held accountable for that.

KING: Are you suing tabloids, too?

CADEE CONDIT: We have successfully settled a case against the tabloids.

KING: Oh, they've paid then, and you can't reveal what it was?

CADEE CONDIT: I cannot.

KING: But they have settled with you?

CADEE CONDIT: Yes.

KING: To your benefit?

CADEE CONDIT: I think Gary's pleased with the settlement, yes.

CHAD CONDIT: But there was nothing to our benefit. I mean, we would give back whatever they did to go back, to not being, you know, having his character and his reputation assassinated by Dominick and the tabloids. So it's not to our benefit. None of this was to our benefit. Being charged with murder, accused of murder by folks, it doesn't benefit you in any way. So we would give back or do whatever -- you know, to go back to have -- they basically tried to take our name away, take dad's name away, and it wasn't right.

KING: To clear this up now, Dominick Dunne declined our invitation to discuss the lawsuit with us on our show tonight. His attorney also declined, but did provide us with a following statement. "Mr. Condit's lawsuit against Mr. Dunne is built on a number of falsehoods. Mr. Dunne never called Mr. Condit a murderer. What Mr. Dunne said about him on this show on February 13th, 2002 was quote, 'I believe firmly that he knows more than he has ever said,' end quote. That was true then and it is true now, as Condit's deposition shows. Mr. Dunne did not cause Mr. Condit to lose his primary election as Mr. Condit claims. Mr. Dunne did not cause the American people to hold a low opinion of Mr. Condit. Mr. Condit's own actions caused these things to happen. His refusal then and now to answer questions about Ms. Levy, his decision to run for office without telling his constituents what really happened and how he handled it all with the police led the American public to believe that Mr. Condit was hiding something, and that is why he lost his bid for reelection, and that is why he lost the trust of the public at large. Mr. Dunne didn't cause any of that to happen. Mr. Condit did. Mr. Dunne is looking forward to a resolution of this case in his favor by the judge or by a jury."

Want to comment on that?

CHAD CONDIT: That's not true. He did accuse dad of having some Middle Easterners to get rid of Chandra Levy.

KING: He didn't say it on this show.

CHAD CONDIT: That's what the lawsuit says, is that he stated that he got some Middle Eastern folks to get rid of Chandra Levy.

KING: Do you really believe that Dunne caused your father to lose the election?

CADEE CONDIT: If you look at all of the articles and the press that Gary received, Dunne is the only person that said Gary Condit killed Chandra Levy, other than the tabloids. The tabloids are just scum and I think that most people know that. But Dominick crossed a boundary here. He's the only person -- he is a credible person. You yourself introduced him as a prominent journalist.

KING: He sure is.

CADEE CONDIT: He works for "Vanity Fair," Court TV, he writes books. He has a certain credibility, and people believe him. So yes, it hurt us.

CHAD CONDIT: And he stated, I'm going to cause some trouble for Gary Condit.

KING: He said that?

CADEE CONDIT: Yes.

~~~Complete Transcript at Link~~~

[Pepper]

Hi ThoughtFox!

Though they have similar names, Laura Ingraham and Laura Ingalls is not the same person.

Laura Ingraham used to have a TV show, but is now confined to radio, I believe. She is a conservative political commentator who has written a few books.

Laura Ingalls works for KFI Radio 640 in Los Angeles as a reporter. She was the courtroom eyes and ears for the Peterson trial for KFI and for Greta Van Susterern.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

[Camper]

I forgot to tell you all that I missed about the first 15 minutes or so of the LKL broadcast.

Anyone know what the verbage was that was used by the tabloids that got the settlement for Condit?

Pepper, I rarely watch Greta V. and I don't believe I have ever watched an entire program of hers. I had never heard of the two dif Laura's, wonder if the Ingalls one is related to the Little House on the Prairie author? Looks like Condit is looking for deeper pockets to sue.

I just wish the 'aunt' had been home when Chandra called her, we might have a whole new ball game now!!!

Color me stupid, but I still believe that Joyce Chiang and Chandras paths crossed and they knew something about folks who had entered our country illegally, and were somehow involved with the prison population in DC. It is possible in 'MY OWN MIND' (which is a rather small area) for Mr. C. to have proffered some secret info via personal confidence with either or both of the young women.

For me to believe that Joyce and Chandra's paths NEVER crossed is quite impossible, imop.

We do live in an increasingly smaller world.


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[ccoaster]

I happened to see some of Greta tonight, she had Lin Wood & she had D. Dunne's atty. on the show. So it looks like she and the panel will be following this one as it develops.
I am afraid I will be hooked on this one. I so want Dominic Dunne to beat greedy old Condit. Condit cooked his own goose, he didn't need any help from Dunne. Ego got in the way of behaving in an appropriate manner while Chandra was missing.

[jsc0404]

Condit's television interview with Connie Chung said it all.

It didn't take Dominic Dunne to convince the American public that Condit was involved. The interview showed nothing BUT guilt.

Condit was the only American that was happy about 9/11. He sure took the heat off of him.

[ThoughtFox]

Hi ThoughtFox!

Though they have similar names, Laura Ingraham and Laura Ingalls is not the same person.

Laura Ingraham used to have a TV show, but is now confined to radio, I believe. She is a conservative political commentator who has written a few books.

Laura Ingalls works for KFI Radio 640 in Los Angeles as a reporter. She was the courtroom eyes and ears for the Peterson trial for KFI and for Greta Van Susterern.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

Thanks, Pepper - so many Lauras out there in California, lol. :p Larry King doesn't always get things right, and that is why I was wondering about that. Sometimes in the transcripts they put incorrect names, too.

Here is another article from today's Modesto Bee:

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/9975380p-10809564c.html

Condit's children give family update

Pair say father's dream dashed by Levy scandal

On the Larry King show, the Condits said their father splits time between California and his Arizona home and that much of his focus is on trial preparations for an $11 million defamation lawsuit against author Dominick Dunne.

Cadee Condit said the family couldn't just let things go and get on with life.

"Innocent people fight back," she said. "Dominick Dunne crossed a line, just as the tabloids did. They called my dad a murderer, insinuating that he had something to do with the kidnapping of Chandra Levy. He's innocent. He didn't have anything to do with it, and Dominick needs to be held accountable for that."

The Condit children also reported that their mother was in good health and they were active with the Justice Political Action Committee, trying to extend the California deadline for filing libel lawsuits from one year to three years.

The children reaffirmed their contention that their father never had a romantic relationship with Levy and that there was nothing wrong with his conduct during the investigation.

"He did the responsible thing," Chad Condit said. "He contacted the FBI, contacted the Washington, D.C., Police Department to let them know that this girl was missing when the father contacted Gary. He didn't do anything criminal. He's never been charged with anything.

"If Chandra wouldn't have disappeared, he would have won the election, got his 80 percent."

:doh: That's right, Chad. Blame poor Chandra, the victim. That's the "right thing" to do, just like dear old Daddy. :behindbar

[Pepper]

The children reaffirmed their contention that their father never had a romantic relationship with Levy and that there was nothing wrong with his conduct during the investigation.

Their dad was just banging her for fun and recreation, I guess. It was Chandra that had the romantic relationship.

LK should have asked them to define "romantic relationship" and how that differed from "recreational sex!"

[halycon]

I'm watching Cadee Condit try to take on the big boys on the Greta panel. This girl is so incredibly dumb about legal matters! Rude, too. Her dad had better get some better counsel around him because he's going down!!!

There was a little clip of Lin Wood and it looked like he had a Jerry Lewis head. Is he sick and on some strong medicine?

[Annie]

I watched Cadee Condit last night on Greta too. She is not doing anything to help her dad, or Gary as she calls him. The way she is so rude to everyone makes me think the whole family has problems. She wouldn't listen to what any of the men had to say and not only did she interrupt, she did it in such a hateful way. She kept saying it had nothing to do with sex, and wouldn't listen when the men kept saying it had to do with being truthful. A person who expects to be elected again by the people owes it to the people to give them answers or at least give them reason to believe they are honest about things. Some politicians are so charismatic that they may be elected again after bad things but most won't after losing the trust of the people who elected them. She obviously is very bitter about what has happened but I can't see that it is helping at all for her to be spewing this bitterness and rudeness all over TV.

[concernedperson]

I watched Cadee Condit last night on Greta too. She is not doing anything to help her dad, or Gary as she calls him. The way she is so rude to everyone makes me think the whole family has problems. She wouldn't listen to what any of the men had to say and not only did she interrupt, she did it in such a hateful way. She kept saying it had nothing to do with sex, and wouldn't listen when the men kept saying it had to do with being truthful. A person who expects to be elected again by the people owes it to the people to give them answers or at least give them reason to believe they are honest about things. Some politicians are so charismatic that they may be elected again after bad things but most won't after losing the trust of the people who elected them. She obviously is very bitter about what has happened but I can't see that it is helping at all for her to be spewing this bitterness and rudeness all over TV.

I saw it as well. She was a boiling over pot wasn't she? What is with the Gary business....why not Dad? Greta looked uncomfortable at one point and went to commercial....Fieger was excellent as usual.

Me thinks Cadee is in denial and it would be better if she didn't give anymore interviews.....

[atbay]

I picketed Condit's office for months; Cadee even personally blocked me at one of the candidates forums, so don't take this wrong:

Condit would have been reelected had the dems not redistricted him into defeatsuch an embarrassment he was to the party. In fact, he won Stani slaw county! (Modesto).

[Camper]

I watched Cadee Condit last night on Greta too. She is not doing anything to help her dad, or Gary as she calls him. The way she is so rude to everyone makes me think the whole family has problems. She wouldn't listen to what any of the men had to say and not only did she interrupt, she did it in such a hateful way. She kept saying it had nothing to do with sex, and wouldn't listen when the men kept saying it had to do with being truthful. A person who expects to be elected again by the people owes it to the people to give them answers or at least give them reason to believe they are honest about things. Some politicians are so charismatic that they may be elected again after bad things but most won't after losing the trust of the people who elected them. She obviously is very bitter about what has happened but I can't see that it is helping at all for her to be spewing this bitterness and rudeness all over TV.




--------------->>>OH Annie I loved your post!!! In particular the point you made as follows:

A person who expects to be elected again by the people owes it to the people to give them answers or at least give them reason to believe they are honest about things.

He was a PUBLIC OFFICIAL elected by the people of California, Chandra was from California, he definitely owed 'TIME' to the media to explain and console and to be 'AVAILABLE' to the people who elected him.

Both of the adult children show signs of being arrogant and ignorant about civilized behaviors, obviously a family trait. Monkey see monkey do upbringing.

Their money pot has lost its governmental source.

Edited to add, Pepper I love your cat/s.
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[Pepper]

I can't imagine why anyone would give either of these "kids" airtime. They have absolutely nothing to add to this case, and it's obvious that they would spin any tale that would favor their father.

Camper, thanks re cat. It is just one cat, and pics are courtesy of Cass! :blowkiss:

[KNRCY]

Hi All
I saw the Con(did)it children on LKL and Cadee on Greta last week. OMG! What a poor showing these two bitter, crass, rude, and blind sibs made to the viewing audience. On LKL Chad took most of the time answering and commenting ... I don't know how many people he was able to convince of his father's 'non-sexual relationship' w/Chandra ... I didn't buy a word especially after I kept hearing the same mantra over and over. I guess the kids of politicians don;t fall far from the family tree.

However, Cadee appearing alone w/Greta was an outrage. She had her lines so perfectly rehearsed and predictable that as soon as anyone broached a question or made a comment she went off like a six year old spoiled brat.
IMHO she has no clue about the case against Dominic Dunne and what her father must do if that case goes to court. Or, perhaps even, if it's settled. This young woman is an insulting child and Greta should have shut her up and let the LAWYERS talk. Cadee's immaturity and blindsighted view of her father is nauseating. She's not child anymore ... if she's going to be a spokesperson for her father she needs to learn some manners and media savvy.

The Chandra Levy case is very sad as is all of the cases that go unsolved when a victim is found and those cases where the victim remains missing for ever. Those of us who followed the case very closely know that the congressman was not forthcoming ... that Abbie Lowell, his attny at the time did have a polygraph done w/2 questions on it: did you kill Chandra Levy and did you have a sexual relationship with her. THAT'S IT!!!!!

My heart goes out to Dominic Dunne who has suffered greatly in his life and like the Levys lost his only child to murder. Now he is being sued by a man who did nothing to help Chandra or her family and dissalows the fact that Dunne has already said he was given wrong information and regretted what he said/wrote.

This family consists of:
Older Brother A convicted felon
MIddle Brother Gary Con(did)it
Youngest Brother Modesto Cop
Father Reverend
Cadee and Chad Gary's children
Mrs. G. Con(did)it SAid to be a recluse; ill w/ill defined maladies;
not seen around very much; didn't go to Washington
w/her husband (except on the week end Chandra
disappeared
Congressman has ties to low riders; felons; Hell's Angels; and like his lovers young and vulnerable.

I hope you all have more info to add.

THANKS
KNRCY

[Camper]

KNRCY, thoughtful post.

OOOOOOh how I would wish to be a mouse in their home with transmitting equipment, more so to have been there when first Chandra went missing.

I think that 'he' most likely had gotten away with all of his 'non governmental activities' for so long he thought he was impervious to anyone seeing through him.

I do feel sorry for the children, for in my mind they do not have a clue about life and the intelligence of the world in general. A sorry sight to observe.

I think Dominic can hold his own, and I do predict that the case will go nowhere. Long live Dominic Dunne. I would hope that something would emerge from the darkness that would bring the killer of Chandra to justice.

I have forgotten the name and title of the younger man who accompanied Condit on the 'Destroy the watch box' mission, but I do believe that he knows a great deal more than has ever been gotten from him. I do see him as a heavy enabler for C in his extracuricular activities.

The cabin near DC that was used for weekenders is still a place that holds secrets imop.

================
Pepper what is your cats name, and it looks like a different
'brand of cat', er breed if you prefer. I do get the feeling from its eyes that any mouse would well be afraid in your kitty's near area. Hee hee.



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[atbay]

Condit's reputation on trialFormer congressman scrutinized in his libel suit against author Dunne


Condit





By MICHAEL DOYLE
BEE WASHINGTON BUREAU
Last Updated: February 20, 2005, 04:30:35 AM PST
WASHINGTON — Then-congressman Gary Condit's reputation was on the line in late 2001 when his re-election campaign commissioned a survey.
Now his reputation is again on the line, though he no longer holds office. As he pursues a defamation lawsuit against author Dominick Dunne, the $11 million question is when did Condit's stature sour.
Condit claims Dunne's comments cost him dearly, up to and including the March 2002 Democratic primary election when Condit lost his job.
Dunne's attorneys retort that Condit's actions undermined his public standing.
This dispute over who's responsible for a reputation illustrates important lessons in libel. It revisits legal territory previously inhabited by characters such as Elizabeth Taylor's former boyfriend and a dancer named Tiger Lil.
Most immediately, the dispute over Condit's reputation could shape not just who prevails in this case, but how much money Dunne might owe if he loses. Consequently, Dunne's attorneys are vigorously tracking Condit's public standing in the wake of Chandra Levy's disappearance.
"Now, prior to and during your (2002) campaign, did you conduct any polls?" Dunne attorney Paul LiCalsi asked Condit during a deposition last September.
"No," Condit replied.
"No?" LiCalsi persisted.
"I don't do polls," Condit explained, according to a transcript of the deposition.
LiCalsi pressed Condit about whether he consulted anyone else's polls.
Condit said he hadn't. Condit said he recalled only doing one poll ever, probably in 1989.
But in the fall of 2001, public records show, Condit's campaign did hire pollsters.
Condit's campaign paid $13,500 on Oct. 19, 2001, for a "voter survey"....

More lies from the liemaster. What reputation?

[benn8]

I've been reading all of these good posts here. It looks like the Condit show is on the road again. I will only add one thing here that I did not see. Maybe it is here and I just did not see it.

This is from the Lin Wood and LaCalsi interviews on the Greta show. I only saw part of it. I got it turned on late, and then I turned it off early because I thought it was over.

Anyway here is one quote from the show (fair use).

>>> LICALSI: Because by bringing this action, he has -- Condit has put into issue who really killed Chandra Levy. They can say all they want, that he hasn't been named a suspect, but it is his burden in this case to come forward and convince a jury that he is being open, that he is -- that he should not be under suspicion of this and that he's telling the truth. We still can't get a straight answer out of him and haven't up to now.<<<

This is where some good stuff might come in, some discovery, that might tell us more about what happened to Chandra, and why. Condit is due to answer some more questions in March. He missed one question session, I would not doubt that he might try to miss another session. Perils of Pauline, that old weekly movie serial that always ended an episode with Pauline in big trouble, like she was tied to a big log and the log was headed into the saw mill. She must have survived because there was always another episode the following week. What will happen next? We can only hope. :)

benn8

[Sprocket]

I am so hopefull, Dom will be vindicated! I've been sending him some good thoughts every day. You know, I think I'll write him a note, thank him for signing my book, tell him how much support he has out there on the net and give it to him at trial tomorrow.

[benn8]

I am so hopefull, Dom will be vindicated! I've been sending him some good thoughts every day. You know, I think I'll write him a note, thank him for signing my book, tell him how much support he has out there on the net and give it to him at trial tomorrow.

I sent LaCalsi, Dunne's attorney, an email once and a received polite reply. It was marked confidential, so I kept it that way.

I also sent Dunne's former attorney an email, and she replied right away. I did not try to write to Dunne because I really don't know too much about what he does. It would be a tragedy if he lost this case. I don't think he will. Hopefully the reverse will happen, Dunne will win, and we will get some useful discovery from the case that might be used in the criminal investigation.

There has really been nothing cold about the Chandra Levy investigation, except the investigators were cold. That could change.

benn8

[Camper]

Still reading and hoping Chandra gets justice. You can read Condit like a book, his children as well, grabbing for a rubber donut in a sea of obfuscations/lies/coverup, imop.

I will restate that I do feel there is a connection between Joyce Chiang, intern INS, and Chandra's murders. Condits backside was buried when 9/11 happened, if there is not involvement with that and Condit I will be totally surprised.

IF IF IF Joyce found irregularities with folks in our country illegally and tied them to a security issue, WHO would she tell?

I have not been able to sucessfully dig up the government position that Condit held, during Joyce's service. Could someone help me out with that, my brain is failing me on remembering the committees he served on??? She died two years BEFORE Chandra.

Read about Joyce here: http://www.unsolved.com/0206-Chiang.html
Tidbit from the link:

Following her internship, Joyce took a job as a lawyer at the INS. She lived with her brother Roger in the Dupont Circle area of Washington D.C.

Chandra Levy would later move to the same neighborhood. A favorite hangout for both was a nearby Starbuck's coffee shop. It was there on the night of January 9th, 1999 that Joyce was last seen. Earlier in the evening, Joyce had met up with several friends for a movie and dinner. Her friend offered Joyce a ride home. Joyce asked her friend to make one quick stop at the Starbucks. Joyce told her friend that she would walk the four blocks home from the coffee shop. She never made it to her apartment. Because Joyce was a federal employee, the FBI took the lead in the case, but their initial investigation turned up nothing.

I will NEVER believe that Joyce comitted suicide. She was gorgeous, young, and brilliant, and was in a position where indeed she could have uncovered some national security issues with illegal folks here to do their nasty deeds to us. Just who would she have directly reported those issues to???? Elsewhere it states that Chandra and Joyce worked for the same department.


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[benn8]

Hello Camper, and anyone else. I am glad you mentioned Joyce Chiang. I feel that the Chandra case may be heading towards a conclusion soon. We have kept hammering at it until the press and law enforcement can not ignore it.

I have had gary condit and chandra levy in my google alerts. I was even on the pay a little extra for deeper coverage for about a month. I have quit the deep coverage at google but still have the regular alert coverage.

Now I think it is time for me to start getting alerts on Joyce Chiang, to see what turns up. That case too may warm up. Joyce's brother got into trouble recently. I forget what that was for. Also I am going to put into google alerts the intern who died in the Congressman's office in Florida. I do not have her name handy and have to hurry this morning for an appointment. The dead intern's name in Florida starts with a K, and I think the Congressman's name whom she was interning for starts with an S.

I made up my mind some time ago that I would start looking more for these two other cases, besides Chandra's, Joyce Chiand's case, and the case of the dead intern in Florida. Anyone else might do the same. For a small fee google will go deeper, but I think that anyone can go deeper if they just want to do the googling themselves.

benn8

[Camper]

Hello Camper, and anyone else. I am glad you mentioned Joyce Chiang. I feel that the Chandra case may be heading towards a conclusion soon. We have kept hammering at it until the press and law enforcement can not ignore it.

I have had gary condit and chandra levy in my google alerts. I was even on the pay a little extra for deeper coverage for about a month. I have quit the deep coverage at google but still have the regular alert coverage.

Now I think it is time for me to start getting alerts on Joyce Chiang, to see what turns up. That case too may warm up. Joyce's brother got into trouble recently. I forget what that was for. Also I am going to put into google alerts the intern who died in the Congressman's office in Florida. I do not have her name handy and have to hurry this morning for an appointment. The dead intern's name in Florida starts with a K, and I think the Congressman's name whom she was interning for starts with an S.

I made up my mind some time ago that I would start looking more for these two other cases, besides Chandra's, Joyce Chiand's case, and the case of the dead intern in Florida. Anyone else might do the same. For a small fee google will go deeper, but I think that anyone can go deeper if they just want to do the googling themselves.

benn8




------------>>>benn8, I found this link, mail fraud, is this the trouble and the same Roger C.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=503288


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[rd_jfc]

RD put together a great site, after Where'sChandra bit the dust. Some of the great posters from that site, ended up at RD's. I've been meaning to buy his book, but the Blake trial has been pretty consuming. I'll have been in court, every day this week.

Dominick appears to be real nice.


Thanks for the kind words, Sprocket. I hope that for anyone reading Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy that it pulls together all the events that we have discussed into a murder mystery whose questions clearly need answering.

In the meantime, I'll answer what I can of the questions in this discussion.

regards,
rd

[rd_jfc]

Yes, Camper, same Roger Chiang, brother of Joyce Chiang, who worked for the Democratic National Party when she disappeared, caught embezzling contributions to the DNC some five years later.

On the one hand, everyone involved was in Democratic politics, on the other hand, it is Washington, DC. I don't cover Joyce Chiang in Murder on a Horse Trail, but her end came eeriely similar to Chandra's in intersecting with that of Congressman Gary Condit, member of the House Intelligence Committee.

Earlier in 1996, which corresponds with the ending of two simultaneous affairs such as Condit had with Chandra Levy and Anne Marie Smith when Chandra disappeared, Joyce Chiang was working for another California congressman on an immigration bill that Condit was co-sponsoring. She then went to work for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, where further work with Condit was done, and Condit then testified for the bill before Congress. That they worked together should be a given, how well they knew each other Joyce will never be able to tell us.

Condit had no known mistresses between 1996 and her murder in January 1999, and Joyce's brother Roger says that his sister was secretive about where she was during this time, often being gone for the whole weekend. Whatever relationship she was in, she kept it a secret, just as Condit demanded of all his mistresses.

Her murder on the Potomac was not investigated by DC police just as Chandra's was not, both were believed by DC police to be suicidal. The only think keeping the DC police from continuing to say that Chandra committed suicide after she was found were her hands bound with stockings.

No such inconvenient bindings found on Joyce, no reason to look further. Women just seem to want to throw themselves to death in DC for some reason, the DC police seem to be all too readily to want to believe. Especially when the alternative is questioning a Congressman on the Intelligence Committee.

rd

[Camper]

rd, have you ever looked at Joyce Chiangs missing poster that was widely distributed after she disappeared. In that photo she is wearing a most unusual necklace. I even duplicated it and made one for myself.

It is a necklace that looked like a fancy jewelry store item, and could HAVE PERHAPS been traced to the PURCHASER of it!!!!

I am thinking that Condit MAY have purchased it. PERHAPS even from the same store where he purchased the elusive watch whose box was pitched away with McD trash, serepticiously.

I have searched and searched and can not find the poster picture of Joyce that I speak of. I did find one of her with a red dress and a pearl necklace but not the one I remember seeing on the official poster, which was also a pearl necklace with a pendant in the front.


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[rd_jfc]

No, I wish I had, Camper, but I haven't seen that poster. The TAG Heuer watch was purchased by "Peanut" Joleen McKay at a San Francisco jewelry store in 1996 and given to Condit as a gift, store was never identified. Condit was irritated because he doesn't wear watches, yet he was seen throwing the box for that watch away in a public park trash can five years later, on his way home the night his apartment was to be searched by law enforcement.


In chapter The Watch in Murder on a Horse Trail I look at the story behind the watch and raise even more questions about it. In my opinion there is a lot more to it than getting caught throwing something away that I address in that chapter.


Joleen McKay was one of the two mistresses Condit had from 1994 to 1996 before both affairs were ended by the mistresses, Joleen in a big argument with Condit over something and the other a young local minister's daughter, Jennifer Thomas, over strange sexual demands that traumatized her, according to her father, OC Thomas.

It is 1996 when Condit was working on an immigration bill with another California congressman. The laison was Joyce Chiang.

rd

[Camper]

About the necklace in the missing poster, I am guessing that a female in Joyce's family or maybe even Roger would remember when she acquired the necklace and under which circumstances. IF IF IF the acquisition would tie in to the time frame of the 'working' relationship of Joyce and Condit that would be interesting.

PLUS the necklace would still be in the family NOW as part of the belongings Joyce left behind, IF IF it isn't then perhaps it was spirited away like the watch box was.

OR OR the friends with which she had dinner with the night she disappeared could remember if she was wearing it that night.

What state do you live in rd, are you near DC. Perhaps a visit to Roger would be in order, you should have easy access since your book was written about Chandra. I would think you might be very well received by Roger and his family.

An oops in order for me on the purchase of the watch. My memory is dimming on that which I followed so closely at the time. Convenient garbage disposal, wonder what other trash cans he visited that day!



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[benn8]

Camper and rd, I am eavesdropping here. Actually I got a notice that I had received a reply, but maybe it was some other reply.

Camper, or rd, or even me, why couldn't you contact Roger by email, or telephone, or postal mail. That sounds like a real lead to somewhere.

Rd, I don't think you are going to be in that area, but fallout, James, might get into that area.

Camper, james is another member of rd's website who lives in the general New York and Virginia vicinity. He might be able to contact Roger.

benn8

[rd_jfc]

No, Camper, I'm not able to get to DC now. I just made two trips to Florida for job interviews and was not hired and that tapped out my traveling money. And my jeep is broke down and I'm waiting for parts for it.

I did make a few trips to DC in the last couple of years, to research Luray and Rock Creek Park, DuPont Circle, Klingle Mansion, etc. I hope the personal research comes through when one reads Murder on a Horse Trail.

I also made a trip a year ago when I published the book to give to journalists I quoted with a thank you note. It is really the excellent investigative reporting of Allan Lengel of the Washington Post and Michael Doyle of the Modesto Bee that uncovered so much behind Chandra's disappearance, and the many interviews done by Larry King and Greta that provide the details you don't get in news reports that allowed this book to be written.

I thought Murder on a Horse Trail would be a wonderful paperback, the story is really compelling, the mystery complex, the questions intriguing, but agents and publishers weren't interested or weren't responding. When the judge allowed Condit's suit againt Dominick to go forward, I said to myself I have to get this out there so people know the whole story, not the spin on each seemingly random event that made the news, so I published it myself and put it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.

I still have hopes of getting it out there as a cheap pocket paperback within easy reach on the paperback racks but I guess Condit has scared everyone off with his lawsuits. So maybe someday.

In the meantinme, I'm tapped out, so hopefully someone else can contact Roger, who is probably pretty busy at the moment with his own problems, as we discussed above. :)

rd

[Camper]

Have you tried to get yourself on a network TV news interview, Greta or LKL? LKL should be hot to get you on!!!!!!!!!



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[rd_jfc]

I wasn't trying to get on a show, Camper, but I took my book to CNN, Fox, Washington Post, etc. to the attention of Larry King, Greta, Allan Lengel, etc. I thought they'd be interested in the story from so many interviews and news coverage being put together into a mystery.

All I wanted was the panels that discussed the case in 2001 (minus Barbara Olsen of course, lost in 9/11) to discuss the questions I raise throughout the book. I think that even an objective review of Murder on a Horse Trail would show questions raised in new and more compelling contexts.

I can only hazard guesses as to why none of the shows I quoted were interested in discussing it, but certainly I think Condit's lawsuit against Dominick Dunne has stifled them for a start.

Maybe when Dominick prevails in this lawsuit the media will be able to talk again about the unanswered questions in Chandra's disappearance.

rd

[Camper]

rd, guess what I had a brain storm. Send one to ART BELL, on Coast to Coast radio program. He lives in Parump sp? NV.

He is not afraid of ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check out his web site, Coasttocoast.com and send him a copy of your book and a note. He has MILLIONS upon MULLIONS of listeners.

He created this program and is semi retired, does the Saturday and Sunday night shows, and George Noory does M-F shows.

He is on the FM dial. He could get your book off the ground, I am guessing.



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[rd_jfc]

Yes, I am familiar with Art Bell from other subjects, and you're right, he is absolutely not afraid of anything. :) Good idea, Camper, I'll work on getting a copy to him.

My goal is to get a grand jury in DC or Stanislaus County or both to start asking the questions in Murder on a Horse Trail under oath, not of Condit, who has taken the Fifth and won't answer any questions, but of everyone else.

My contention is that the answers to all the answerable questions will lead toward the answers of seemingly unanswerable questions.

rd

[Camper]

Keep us posted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Art is Smart', now I am a poet, who knew ?, hee hee.



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[Kathy C]

I am a member of Websleuths and I have just started a website devoted to unsolved celebrity murders. Chandra Levy is one forum. If you would like to post about her on the site, you're welcomed to. We are also putting together the pieces of the lives and mysterious deaths of these notables: Princess Diana, Marilyn Monroe, Karyn Kupcinet, Mary Pinchot Meyer and Dorothy Kilgallen.

jigsaw.jfkresearch.com/forum

We also welcome discussions on Robert Blake (Verdict Watch), Phil Spector and Michael Jackson. And we have a little nook to talk about other celebrities and Crime, such as Victoria Gotti or Bill Cosby.

We have a thread about Hunter Thompson. There is evidence that his wife had lied, probably out of fear, and he was murdered, not a suicide victim. So we're going to keep a vigil on that case. He had hard evidence about our govt and 9/11. We also have a forum for OJ Simpson, as people are still interested in him. A new book is out saying that he was covering up what his son Jason did. Jason supposedly killed Nicole and Ron, then called OJ. Simpson drove to the house; was on the scene and made the decision to protect Jason.

jigsaw.jfkresearch.com/forum

Stop by and register. It's free and quick. Bring your opinions, theories and substantiated facts. We're up and running.

See you there, jigsaw.jfkresearch.com/forum
Kathy C for the Administrator

[Sprocket]

Yes, I am familiar with Art Bell from other subjects, and you're right, he is absolutely not afraid of anything. :) Good idea, Camper, I'll work on getting a copy to him.

My goal is to get a grand jury in DC or Stanislaus County or both to start asking the questions in Murder on a Horse Trail under oath, not of Condit, who has taken the Fifth and won't answer any questions, but of everyone else.

My contention is that the answers to all the answerable questions will lead toward the answers of seemingly unanswerable questions.

rd
A long time ago, long before I ever joined any crime forums, rd's posts at a defunct forum "whereschandra" are what I looked forward to reading every day. They were always thought provoking.

I finally bought your book rd. My husband and I are reading it now. I'm only a few chapters in, but I must say, from what I've read so far, the writing is quite good and and your book appears to be well researched. I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you for all the work you put into this tremendous effort. I hope you do send your book to Art Bell. Good luck with that, and let us know if he decides to have you on his program!

[Camper]

A long time ago, long before I ever joined any crime forums, rd's posts at a defunct forum "whereschandra" are what I looked forward to reading every day. They were always thought provoking.

I finally bought your book rd. My husband and I are reading it now. I'm only a few chapters in, but I must say, from what I've read so far, the writing is quite good and and your book appears to be well researched. I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you for all the work you put into this tremendous effort. I hope you do send your book to Art Bell. Good luck with that, and let us know if he decides to have you on his program!



-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.

rd, I have just finished reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. There are critical dates in the book that I do think cause Chandra and Joyce to have seen or known something about terrorists being in our country illegally, that they picked up on. Chandra with the prison system and Joyce with INS.

They may have relayed this information to Condit. I would think rd, that if you were to contact Jayna Davis, that she would be a goldmine of helpfulness to perhaps TIE all of this mess into one big beautiful package of perversion and involvement by our Mr. C. and company. She is INCREDIBLE in her digging abilities, and the tenacity with which she clung on to and prevailed.

rd, did you ever dig up just HOW LONG Mr. C. was working with the House Intelligence Committee? I am wondering how he ever came to be involved with INS dealings? I am wondering about 'What he knew, and HOW long did he know it?'

Artie Johnson told it well, 'verrry interestink'.

[Sprocket]

-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.

rd, I have just finished reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. There are critical dates in the book that I do think cause Chandra and Joyce to have seen or known something about terrorists being in our country illegally, that they picked up on. Chandra with the prison system and Joyce with INS.

They may have relayed this information to Condit. I would think rd, that if you were to contact Jayna Davis, that she would be a goldmine of helpfulness to perhaps TIE all of this mess into one big beautiful package of perversion and involvement by our Mr. C. and company. She is INCREDIBLE in her digging abilities, and the tenacity with which she clung on to and prevailed.

rd, did you ever dig up just HOW LONG Mr. C. was working with the House Intelligence Committee? I am wondering how he ever came to be involved with INS dealings? I am wondering about 'What he knew, and HOW long did he know it?'

Artie Johnson told it well, 'verrry interestink'.
I bought a brand new copy on amazon.com. There were several. I really wanted to get an hard cover, but could not justify the expense.

[Dark Knight]

I think Chandra is long overdue for her own forum on here (maybe she had one back in the day.) One of our brilliant sleuthers just might be able to crack the case, once and for all, if everything was discussed in one prominant place.

[rd_jfc]

A long time ago, long before I ever joined any crime forums, rd's posts at a defunct forum "whereschandra" are what I looked forward to reading every day. They were always thought provoking.

I finally bought your book rd. My husband and I are reading it now. I'm only a few chapters in, but I must say, from what I've read so far, the writing is quite good and and your book appears to be well researched. I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you for all the work you put into this tremendous effort. I hope you do send your book to Art Bell. Good luck with that, and let us know if he decides to have you on his program!


That's a good thing for a writer to hear, Sprocket. Thanks for the kind words. :) All that discussion we had on crime forums greatly influenced what I wrote.

I am of the opinion that a normal writer who would just pick the subject of Chandra's disappearance and research it to write a book will not begin to be able to capture the nuances that thousands of people have worked toward on the internet boards discussing this case.

I participated throughout, and I think that those nuances run throughout the mystery I write. It makes for a very complex mystery, otherwise we would have distilled this to a jog in the park gone wrong long ago, as I'm sure you agree, Sprocket.

Obviously, I wish that it was less of a mystery and more of answers found by a grand jury, but I did research this to be a foundation to get every question in Murder on a Horse Trail answered by someone, who remains to be seen.

But in the meantime, everything people saw in the news back then are bits and pieces, and when it gets put together like this it becomes a story with actions within contexts and yet more actions. They become more than bits and pieces, they whole is more than the sum of the pieces.

I hope we get to discuss some of the writing here at ws.com in this thread. I know Chandra is a Cold Case, but the intent of Murder on a Horse Trail is to change that.

regards,
Ralph Daugherty
author, Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy

[rd_jfc]

I bought a brand new copy on amazon.com. There were several. I really wanted to get an hard cover, but could not justify the expense.


I agree, Sprocket, and let me give you all a little background on that. Believe it or not, it ties in to Dominick Dunne so is actually quite current now.

My goal was to get a book out about Chandra for the May 1 date of her disappearance last year, so I started writing it more than a year ago. It took a few months, but I held off contacting publishers in the belief that a completed book would have more of a chance than a promise of one.

Of special interest to websleuthers, and unknown to me, is that publishers seem to have an across the board ban on publishing anything on open cases. I had considered what I was doing along the lines of what Dominck Dunne and Mark Furrman had done with their books on the Martha Moxley case, but apparently Chandra's case isn't nearly cold enough to be considered.

For example, and I'm glad I knew this later after I wrote the book, Ann Rule and other major true crime writers say that they only write on closed cases, that is closed after a verdict, so this is apparently a true crime thing between writers and publishers to keep from being sued and interfere with cases.

In addition, I'm no Dominick Dunne or Mark Fuhrman, so rd :) didn't have any name power to get a book on a cold case published. In this case, I thought the notoriety of Chandra's case would overcome all that and get publishers to at least take a look, but part of the notoriery was Condit suing people right and left, so the "we don't publish unsolved true crimes" rule especially stood when it came to Condit.

As April, 2004 rolled toward May 1, I debated publishing it myself. I was tight on money but more importantly it wouldn't be in bookstores, just on the many internet book sites such as Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books-a-Million, and others.

Worse of all, I couldn't publish a pocket paperback. That really hurt because I wanted this out as easy to pick up, easy to take with you somewhere, easy to read, and easy on the wallet. I was very disappointed when pocket paperback publishers also had the "we don't publish unsolved cases" rule.

But then, with just three weeks to go before May 1, I saw where the judge allowed Condit's case against Dominick to go forward, and I said that's it, I've got to get this out there to show that Dominick was very much justified in believing what he was told and repeating it with the qualifier that he didn't know if the stories he was being told were true, but Condit was hiding something. I felt the book would help make that case, and I launched it and completed publishing it by April 28, just in time to be out there on the internet by May 1.

I paid extra to have both what's called a trade paperback and hardcover versions published. The trade paperback is identical to the hardcover in size and content, just with a soft cover instead of a hard cover. The hard cover is $10 more at $32. I agree, that is excessive. That's just the costs of printing these a few at a time, however.

The reason I did it however, is that if sales took off, through my publisher Barnes & Noble would do a print run of hardcovers and offer them in their stores for a normal hardcover price. I wanted it to be ready for that and have it out there at a reasonable price.

For that matter, the same thing is true for the pocket paperback. I would love to see it out there on paperback racks and give Chandra's story and just what happened when she disappeared the wide availability a paperback offers.

Apparently, it could be when the case is closed. But the point of the book is that her case will not be closed if questions aren't answered. So the best I can do now is offer it on Amazon and other book sites as a hardcover size with both soft and hard covers, and make this mystery as understandable as possible.

Thanks for finding the book and reading it, Sprocket.

rd

[rd_jfc]

I think Chandra is long overdue for her own forum on here (maybe she had one back in the day.) One of our brilliant sleuthers just might be able to crack the case, once and for all, if everything was discussed in one prominant place.


I see this as dominoes falling. One question getting answered will lead to another getting answered and another. I think there are a lot of questions that can be answered by people interested in this case.

rd

[rd_jfc]

-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.

rd, I have just finished reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. There are critical dates in the book that I do think cause Chandra and Joyce to have seen or known something about terrorists being in our country illegally, that they picked up on. Chandra with the prison system and Joyce with INS.

They may have relayed this information to Condit. I would think rd, that if you were to contact Jayna Davis, that she would be a goldmine of helpfulness to perhaps TIE all of this mess into one big beautiful package of perversion and involvement by our Mr. C. and company. She is INCREDIBLE in her digging abilities, and the tenacity with which she clung on to and prevailed.

rd, did you ever dig up just HOW LONG Mr. C. was working with the House Intelligence Committee? I am wondering how he ever came to be involved with INS dealings? I am wondering about 'What he knew, and HOW long did he know it?'

Artie Johnson told it well, 'verrry interestink'.



hi Camper,

I hope you got my email. If not, my email address is ralph@ee.net.

I believe Condit was on the Intelligence Committee since about 1994 when it was widely whispered that he was going to go Republican and was a force with his blue dog block of conservative Democrat votes. I believe he was offered the most prestigious committee assignments that he wanted, and he apparently wanted the Intelligence Committee for some reason.

It is at this time that he would be co-sponsoring an immigration bill with another California Congressman whom Joyce Chiang worked for as laison on immigration matters.

1994 is also the year that the girl who gave him the Tag Heuer watch was his chief assistant and secretly living with him in his Adams Morgan apartment. It is also incredibly the year that OC Thomas told Chandra's mother just before Chandra disappeared that Condit had been dating his then 18 year old daughter. His 18 year old daughter did have a son that year, father's name is withheld on the birth certificate to this day.

I don't know what Condit's interest was to be on the Intelligence Committee, but I write in Murder on a Horse Trail that he acted as an intelligence operative. He demanded likewise of Chandra, and something got her killed and dumped down a mountainside off of a horse trail.

As usual, secret agent Condit's whereabouts were unknown.

rd

[Camper]

My skin is crawling as I read the last few posts here.

rd, in TTT book, I find it interesting that during Jayna's travail/investigation of Okla Cith Bombing, that senator James Imhoff R-Okla, sent an assistant to request that Hussain Al-Hussaini be 'Cleared', in the FACE of Undisputable evidence to the contrary.

Yesterday I hurriedly tried to find Imhoff's government committee involvement to NO avail. I am not smart in digging up info on gov. sites. Do you know IF IF Imhoff may have 'accidentally' been on the Intel Com as well? I think it might be enlightening IF someone could post a list of those people who served on the House Intel Com at the same time as Mr. C.

When our entire country became involved with 9/11, following the story each and every day to see where it would lead, I and others fell away from Chandra and Mr. C, but I never have forgotten her or Joyce.

Sprocket will you PM me if you would be willing to loan me your book? In the meantime I will continue my hunt for rd's book.

Another suggestion rd, send one of your books to Dominick sp? Dunne!!!!!! In case they have missed something.


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[benn8]

>>Camper wrote:
-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.<<

I have a copy of the paperback edition, Camper, but I still like the ebook edition the best. The ebook edition is only $6 at www.iUniverse.com, and rd says that it is a little cheaper at Amazon.com. The advantage of the ebook is that it is key word searchable. You can look up different subjects right away, and the search will take you to the exact pages.

I don't have one of those Palm computers that let you carry your ebook around with you, but even with a desktop the ebook is my first choice. Of course at $6 including shipping and handling, I guess that does not leave so much profit for the author, but maybe the ebook helps to spread the title around a little more anyway.

rd wrote.
>> As usual, secret agent Condit's whereabouts were unknown.<<

Secret Agent Condit may have had some top secret information, but those who try to muddy the waters by mixing intelligence up with this case I think are on the road less traveled and really a road that will not lead so a solution here, which is what the muddy water people want. I am not trying to name call, but the intelligence solution people are trying to tip the scales of justice in the wrong direction.

There is one poster, not here, whom I usually do not agree with, but he does have a good signature.

"_________________
All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually best."

Condit was having a lot of affairs with a lot of women and what should have astonished him is not that he was caught and thrown out of office, but that he was not caught and thrown out of office sooner. Instead he became very belligerent that he was caught and thrown out. That can only mean that maybe he was not the polished Congressman that he professed to be.

Anyway try the ebook version of Murder on a Horse Trail, and you can find what you are looking for right away.

benn8
I have joined the new Chandra Levy forum also. The more forums the better until the case is solved.

[Camper]

In a hurry right now, but I did come back to post that I found the book at Amazon and have already ordered it this morning.

I am NOT fond of reading stuff on the computer screen, I prefer licking my fingers and turning paper pages.


So I guess Benn8 that we can agree to disagree, If you have NOT read The Third Terrorist, there is some real dot connecting there to be found.


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[benn8]

Hello Camper,

No, I don't thjnk we disagree so much. I was writing fast. I was not referring to you or rd as people who muddy the waters. You two are just the opposite, looking for the facts. I will try to look up the book you mention.

I don't especially like reading books on the computer either, but the ability to word search makes it worth it. Now some books talk. I don't have one of those yet, except the Bible.

benn8

[rd_jfc]

>>Camper wrote:
-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.<<

I have a copy of the paperback edition, Camper, but I still like the ebook edition the best. The ebook edition is only $6 at www.iUniverse.com, and rd says that it is a little cheaper at Amazon.com. The advantage of the ebook is that it is key word searchable. You can look up different subjects right away, and the search will take you to the exact pages.

I don't have one of those Palm computers that let you carry your ebook around with you, but even with a desktop the ebook is my first choice. Of course at $6 including shipping and handling, I guess that does not leave so much profit for the author, but maybe the ebook helps to spread the title around a little more anyway.





thanks, benn. I agree with both you and Camper. Having a book up on the screen is not nearly the experience of turning pages in a book in your hand, but it can't be beat for searching on details of this case. And at $5.40 to $6 it's a low cost way to look it over.

Due to no printing or shipping from printer to retailer costs, I make the same on an e-book as I do the printed book. I still have only recouped about a third so far of what it cost me to publish it. I'm just glad it's out there so people can read it and discuss it as we're doing here.

thanks!
rd

[rd_jfc]

Another suggestion rd, send one of your books to Dominick sp? Dunne!!!!!! In case they have missed something.
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thanks, Camper. I notified Dunne's lawyer about the book as soon as I put it out last year. I haven't communicated with him, but my understanding is that he and his lawyers have access to it.

In my opinion, I think our work on the internet has helped. We will see as Condit backed out of answering questions last month by calling in sick and sending his kids out on a PR campaign to try to pressure Dominick to settle.

He is scheduled to answer more questions this month. We will see what happens. So far, every one of his answers I would think should be of interest to investigators whom he told different answers.

rd

[Camper]

thanks, Camper. I notified Dunne's lawyer about the book as soon as I put it out last year. I haven't communicated with him, but my understanding is that he and his lawyers have access to it.

In my opinion, I think our work on the internet has helped. We will see as Condit backed out of answering questions last month by calling in sick and sending his kids out on a PR campaign to try to pressure Dominick to settle.

He is scheduled to answer more questions this month. We will see what happens. So far, every one of his answers I would think should be of interest to investigators whom he told different answers.

rd








-------------->>>I am out the door again this evening for a play my grandson has a part in it.

There is another crime rd, that the publisher makes more money on your book than you do! I just may get the e book after I read the paper version.


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[Marine Mom]

When is Condit due to "answer" more questions?

[less0305]

When is Condit due to "answer" more questions?
Isn't it today?

[Marine Mom]

That's what I thought I heard, but no mention of it anywhere. :waitasec:

[Camper]

Today announced on a NEWS alert that Condit had settled with Dominic Dunne, for an undisclosed amount. Also that Dunne will apologize for his statements that were mis interpreted.
Huh?

Both suits that Condit has brought have settled out of court. The first suit, Condit refused to answer intimidating questions about Chandra. Today, it was just BEFORE he was to have answered intimidating questions about a romantic relationship with Chandra.

Now just how long can this hoax of a gentleman keep this little 'money making program working for him'.

I hope that rd is successful in bringing Mr. C's toes to the fire.


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[Marine Mom]

Thanks for the update, Camper.

Unbelievable! And here I thought we were finally going to get some straight answers. Silly me.

[Sprocket]

I am so sorry to hear about a settlement. I wonder if Vanity Fair's attorney's had anything to say about this, or if Dominick just wanted this OVER.

It will be interesting to read what Dom says in the next installment of his diary.

I read the book rd. It was great. Again, thanks for all the effort.

[Camper]

I am now wondering if Dominic and his attorneys have taken their efforts underground, and will be the ones who nail him in the end.

We can only hope so.



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[rd_jfc]

Both suits that Condit has brought have settled out of court. The first suit, Condit refused to answer intimidating questions about Chandra. Today, it was just BEFORE he was to have answered intimidating questions about a romantic relationship with Chandra.

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Camper, the settlement with NE was also the exact same thing. I sent the NE lawyers Murder on a Horse Trail and told them there was no way they should have to settle with Condit, he has too many things unexplained to ask him in discovery.

The depositions went just like with Dunne's, in fact Dunne's lawyers would have checked that behavior and anticipated it. Condit keeps bluffing and backing out of questioning, but when he must sit down and answer questions under oath, he settles.

The National Enquirer lawyers described themselves as very pleased with the settlement. I hope Dunne is just as pleased

rd

[rd_jfc]

I am so sorry to hear about a settlement. I wonder if Vanity Fair's attorney's had anything to say about this, or if Dominick just wanted this OVER.

It will be interesting to read what Dom says in the next installment of his diary.

I read the book rd. It was great. Again, thanks for all the effort.


Great! I'm glad you liked it. I think Murder on a Horse Trail is true crime meets mystery novel with some political thriller undertones. Well, and maybe some travelogue too. :)

rd

[Camper]

I just opened it and came on line. I have read Chapter one.

My suspicion never centered on the turtle hunter, I never read much about him, and did not know that he was never identified. Hmmm. My brain is doing little maneuvers now, do you think, no you couldn't could you, but I am thinking that maybe, just maybe he knew the dump spot before he went hunting for 'turtles'?

We were a big hunting family, but not for turtles. Do you sell turtles, did he sell turtles, did he just eat em, er just play withem, er just what was he gonna do with turtles if he found any, hmmm. Wonder what kinda smellin' dog he had?

Mr. C., continues to make himself look suspicious by NOT answering the hard questions and just grabbing whatever money he can and runnin'. What a major joke.

How many suits will he file, before the suiees, quit giving him 'any' money and their settlement is nothing but 'answers'.

[rd_jfc]

He's done, as in put a fork in it. At least as a plaintiff, that is.

Consider the strangeness of this turtle hunter finding Chandra's skull buried under leaves. Never identified. Found Chandra two days after Condit's staff started being questioned by a grand jury. Condit had already taken the Fifth after delaying the grand jury as long as he could.

The turtle hunter was referred to as both a man and a boy at different times. There was some speculation that he wasn't identified bacause he was a juvenile and, after all, hunting turtles.

And the police even were quoted anonymously as saying that hunting turtles in a national park is illegal, but hey, how do you think turtles get in pet shops? or something to that effect.

So he says that he's walking down the road, Broad Branch Road, and his dog bounds across the road and runs up the hill. He follows.

If anyone went to that scene, they would find that he had been walking along the side of a cliff, barely room to hug the cliff while the occasional car comes around curves at 60 miles per hour. When I walked it, a deer was lying there on the side of the road. You come around those curves at 60 miler per hour, anything in the road is going to get wasted.

The dog bounds across the road and up the hill, he says. The only problem is a four foot deep creek bed about twelve feet wide with a trickle of water. You don't bound across that. You can slide and scamper and climb, but you don't bound.

Then when you start climbing, you keep climbing. Up a sheer cliff on the other side. I did it, with a laptop over my shoulder. I couldn't have carried a person. Two people couldn't have carried a person at night up that sheer hill. And it's in broad view of Broad Branch. No, no one took Chandra up that hill.

So you climb up that steep, rocky, slippery, treacherous footing wall, amd you are on top of a cliff, looking down at the creek and road far below. Over to the side is another gully, even deeper and wider and harder to get across than the creek it runs down into. And across that gully was where Chandra was found.

Read the newspaper accounts from Allan Lengel and Michael Doyle quoting this young man, or quoting the police who questioned him, and try to reconcile the accidental discovery of Chandra's skull with following your dog who bounded through hill and dale, supposedly attracted by the scent of the skull, and ask yourself, why had no other dog noticed this for the entire previous year?

The turtle hunter is just one of many people who need to be questioned by the grand jury.

rd

[Camper]

He's done, as in put a fork in it. At least as a plaintiff, that is.

Consider the strangeness of this turtle hunter finding Chandra's skull buried under leaves. Never identified. Found Chandra two days after Condit's staff started being questioned by a grand jury. Condit had already taken the Fifth after delaying the grand jury as long as he could.

The turtle hunter was referred to as both a man and a boy at different times. There was some speculation that he wasn't identified bacause he was a juvenile and, after all, hunting turtles.

And the police even were quoted anonymously as saying that hunting turtles in a national park is illegal, but hey, how do you think turtles get in pet shops? or something to that effect.

So he says that he's walking down the road, Broad Branch Road, and his dog bounds across the road and runs up the hill. He follows.

If anyone went to that scene, they would find that he had been walking along the side of a cliff, barely room to hug the cliff while the occasional car comes around curves at 60 miles per hour. When I walked it, a deer was lying there on the side of the road. You come around those curves at 60 miler per hour, anything in the road is going to get wasted.

The dog bounds across the road and up the hill, he says. The only problem is a four foot deep creek bed about twelve feet wide with a trickle of water. You don't bound across that. You can slide and scamper and climb, but you don't bound.

Then when you start climbing, you keep climbing. Up a sheer cliff on the other side. I did it, with a laptop over my shoulder. I couldn't have carried a person. Two people couldn't have carried a person at night up that sheer hill. And it's in broad view of Broad Branch. No, no one took Chandra up that hill.

So you climb up that steep, rocky, slippery, treacherous footing wall, amd you are on top of a cliff, looking down at the creek and road far below. Over to the side is another gully, even deeper and wider and harder to get across than the creek it runs down into. And across that gully was where Chandra was found.

Read the newspaper accounts from Allan Lengel and Michael Doyle quoting this young man, or quoting the police who questioned him, and try to reconcile the accidental discovery of Chandra's skull with following your dog who bounded through hill and dale, supposedly attracted by the scent of the skull, and ask yourself, why had no other dog noticed this for the entire previous year?

The turtle hunter is just one of many people who need to be questioned by the grand jury.

rd





--------------->>>Wonder where the guy/boy/teen is now? rd have you been to that path/road/trail/geographically and looked the terrain over personally? Great piece of mental imagery and detecting on your part.

I will continue reading my book.



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[rd_jfc]

Yes, I have been there, Camper, and talk about it later in the book. I hope my descriptions and imagery help to visualize this crime scene. Looking forward to more comments and questions as you read to discuss here.

rd

[jsc0404]

Connie Chubg's interview with Condit was enough for me. GUILTY!

[rd_jfc]

That was his first public appearance since Chandra had disappeared four months earlier, jsc, and the nation was shocked. They now knew why he had been in hiding. I thought Geraldo and his panel had the best analysis of that interview and I quote their scathing take on it in Murder on a Horse Trail.

By the way, I just donated a copy to the Modesto Library. It should arrive there in about a week. I will be donating to additional libraries as time goes by. Libraries can't put anything given to them up on the shelves, but I hope it meets their quality criteria for them to put it out in the New Arrivals bin!

I am donating the hardcover which is a little more expensive but appropriate for libraries.

rd

[Kaly]

rd,

As a true crime reader and wanna be writer, I was figuring that exact thing out and I then I see you found out it's true. (That publishers don't like cold case books). But then what about unsolved cases like Jon Benet Ramsey and Jack the Ripper? So maybe it is a larger monetary risk for them, but that doesn't mean that success never comes to cold cases.

My father wanted to write a book about my beautiful cousin who disappeared 26 years ago from her apartment in Southern California. Now, that is a cold case that no one could do successfully because they haven't found bones, or clues or anything, and there are no suspects at all.

Good luck and I will be first in line in Reno to buy your book.
Kaly

[Kaly]

About donating to libraries, I found out that I absolutely have to bring the book up to the desk and announce to them that I bought this brand new book specifically for their shelves. The last time I donated a new book, I stuck a note on it with a big rubber band, dropped in the return slot, and found out later that it went to the library's charity who sold it for a fraction of what it cost me!

[Camper]

rd, am making headway on your book, life has gotten in my way for finishing it yet. It makes the hair on my head wiggle!!!!!!!!!! Grrr to LE and shenanigans to cover up stuff in DC. Poop and then scratch up the dirt to cover it up.

Kalypso and rd, I am thinking the frustration of not being able to get information like this RIGHT IN THE PUBLICS FACE is not right.

HOW about this for an idea on a NEW book. A book that relates major snippets of many, many unsolved cases in ONE book.

With reference material listed on books written about the case if there are some.

When will it all stop K and r? So sorry about your loss.
I was once beautiful and young. Someone was lying in wait in my home in my attic crawl space, for skullduggery in the afternoon. I had kept hearing tiny noises and upons checking three times, had not found the source for these odd noises, and if it had not been a phone call from my mother, where I related to her the unidentified noise I had repeatedly heard, working split shift, and came home mid afternoon to eat etc., I might not be here posting today. We lived in a double and it was the next door neighbor husband that had access to our attic access. He had moved the cover opening and was waiting for 'me'.

People like this are everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the senate!




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[rd_jfc]

Camper, that sounds like I described the shenanigans well! It just gets worse as you go along in the book. By the time you get to the last chapter you just want to cry.

So glad you made it along with the rest of us to an age where maybe you're not so young and beautiful, but you're still with us. Unfortunately, we need sites like this because so many didn't. I make some suggestions in Murder on a Horse Trail to try to stop that.

Thanks for finding the book worthy of continuing to read, Camper.

rd

[rd_jfc]

rd,

As a true crime reader and wanna be writer, I was figuring that exact thing out and I then I see you found out it's true. (That publishers don't like cold case books). But then what about unsolved cases like Jon Benet Ramsey and Jack the Ripper? So maybe it is a larger monetary risk for them, but that doesn't mean that success never comes to cold cases.

My father wanted to write a book about my beautiful cousin who disappeared 26 years ago from her apartment in Southern California. Now, that is a cold case that no one could do successfully because they haven't found bones, or clues or anything, and there are no suspects at all.

Good luck and I will be first in line in Reno to buy your book.
Kaly



It is interesting, Kaly. For example, I checked on books about Laci Peterson's murder and nothing was released from the publishers until the conviction, before that only one self-published like mine and one from American Media (National, Enquirer, Star, Globe). As they did one for Chandra as well, the same number and kind of books have been put out about Chandra as about Laci prior to the conviction.

Personally I thought Martha Moxley's case being blown open by books from Dominick Dunne and Mark Furhman showed what exposing the facts about a case could do, but it was 30 years after the murder and by very big names.

The Jon Benet books, on the other hand, resulted in some libel suits which Lin Wood (who represented Condit in his libel suits) took on for the Ramseys. I am quite sure that Condit would sue a publisher if he could, but that's why I wrote the book to make no assertions that could be considered libelous. Still, the publishers' policy seems to be a blanket policy, not just because of Condit's lawsuits.

Murder on a Horse Trail is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and other online book sites if you're interested in taking a look, Kaly. And I hope you get a chance to fulfill your dreams.

The Modesto Library may choose not to put it on their shelves, I don't know, but it is being shipped to them from Amazon with a gift note from me, the author. There's not a lot else I can do since I won't be able to show up there. :) We'll see.

regards,
rd

[Kaly]

It is interesting, Kaly. For example, I checked on books about Laci Peterson's murder and nothing was released from the publishers until the conviction, before that only one self-published like mine and one from American Media (National, Enquirer, Star, Globe). As they did one for Chandra as well, the same number and kind of books have been put out about Chandra as about Laci prior to the conviction.

Personally I thought Martha Moxley's case being blown open by books from Dominick Dunne and Mark Furhman showed what exposing the facts about a case could do, but it was 30 years after the murder and by very big names.

The Jon Benet books, on the other hand, resulted in some libel suits which Lin Wood (who represented Condit in his libel suits) took on for the Ramseys. I am quite sure that Condit would sue a publisher if he could, but that's why I wrote the book to make no assertions that could be considered libelous. Still, the publishers' policy seems to be a blanket policy, not just because of Condit's lawsuits.

Murder on a Horse Trail is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and other online book sites if you're interested in taking a look, Kaly. And I hope you get a chance to fulfill your dreams.

The Modesto Library may choose not to put it on their shelves, I don't know, but it is being shipped to them from Amazon with a gift note from me, the author. There's not a lot else I can do since I won't be able to show up there. :) We'll see.

regards,
rd
Hi rd!

About the books that were put out before conviction on Peterson and Chandra, I vaguely think I saw one of those somewhere. Are you saying they are self published ones? Or sort of in a class comparable to "B" movies in quality?

I haven't gotten around to reading about Martha Moxley yet, but thanks for the info; I didn't know that! Oh and yes you have to be careful nowdays writing about suspects or even the convicted criminals. Did you know that the Ann Rule vs. Liysa Northon book case is going on ahead to trial? (Heart Full of Lies). It may not be public knowledge yet that the plaintiff prevailed in the hearing. And I'm sure you remember the Fatal Vision lawsuit. Poor Joe McGinniss, he was raked over the coals by Jeffrey MacDonald's lawyers in court so bad that he settled for around $300,000 just to make it all stop. You either need to be rich, or judgement-free, to write about a criminal! :(

My passionate wish right now would be to make the recent rash of financial Ponzi schemes in California into a true-crime-like book. But my health is holding me back from the travel and intensive interviews I'd have to do. Oh well.

I will definitely get ahold of your book asap!
Kaly

[rd_jfc]

Or welcome a lawsuit to take Condit to discovery! No, I carefully laid out the analysis and questions and leave the reader to ask, why are these questions not being answered? And of course they end up just being more unanswered questions

Yes, there were two books on Laci prior to the conviction, neither one in bookstores. One was by someone who published it himself, and one by American Media such as they did with a book on Chandra, only the author was not one of their reporters. I will also add that the customer reviews were not favorable, but I didn't read them myself.

I didn't know about the lawsuit against Ann Rule, it is just a farce that we allow these creeps to sue, even after they have been thrown in the slammer. I say they have no rights in jail, they can sue after they get out. And of course murderers shouldn't be getting out.

If you do get a chance to read Murder on a Horse Trail, Kaly, I look forward to your comments here and a chance to discuss it.

rd

[Camper]

rd, I am now in chapter about computer surfing May 1. I have the soft cover copy.

Page 70, about the fifth paragraph. About logon for BOP through Lexis-Nexis. You refer to fact that most likely 'the computer user' that morning, Chandra/OR ?, would have used the logon that she used while employed at BOP.

Since she was scooted out of BOP so rather unceremoniously and quickly, would the scooters NOT have programmed her access OUT, so that she would NOT have been able to surf there May 1?

I am beginning to smell something, I am not sure just what. Somehow, Sven is coming to my mind. Was his exact location 'that' morning truly and exquisitely accounted for? IF so, WHO did the checking? The fact that he had airline tickets does not mean much to me, if that was part of the checking. Small joke here, did Sven have a twin brother, hee hee, er, duh, huh. Hmmm.

Problem with me is that I have too many things going on in my life. When I was young and single I could plow through a book in no time flat, but give me time I will finish your wonderful book.


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[rd_jfc]

That's a real good question, Camper, one of many that need an answer before Chandra's case should be allowed to be considered cold.

Lexis-Nexis has a legislative activities section which Chandra was most likely using to check on Condit's schedule. We know that she was at that site, and we know the police said she was checking on him on the internet.

It requires an account and a password to use, and that is exactly the type of work Chandra did for the Bureau of Prisons PR office. It is unlikely that an intern had her own account or did not know a general password for accessing Lexis-Nexis used by the PR office.

For that matter, the fact that a password is required was not mentioned in the press, but it is easily determined by visiting the site. What password was used to access the site that morning? I checked with Lexis-Nexis and they were unaware that Chandra had used their site the day she disappeared, and like the DC police, didn't seem to want to know anymore about it.

I don't think Sven should get a pass in a real investigation, nor should Condit or his brother, nor Guandique or the manager of the gym. But three people took lie detector tests the police gave, lie detector tests that Elizabeth Smart's dad described as going through hell when he took one, and none of the three who took and passed it in Chandra's case were named Condit.

Investigators may have some answers to these questions, or they may not. The question is, who investigates the investigators? With their secrecy they can imply that all that can be answered has been answered, or they could be covering up a Washington intern's murder so as to not make waves for the powerful in Congress.

No one knows, and no one can know. Don't make waves. That's how bureaucrats survive. That's how they rise to the top. And you can be sure, no waves will be made for a lowly murdered mistress of a Congressman.

rd

[Camper]

That's a real good question, Camper, one of many that need an answer before Chandra's case should be allowed to be considered cold.

Lexis-Nexis has a legislative activities section which Chandra was most likely using to check on Condit's schedule. We know that she was at that site, and we know the police said she was checking on him on the internet.

It requires an account and a password to use, and that is exactly the type of work Chandra did for the Bureau of Prisons PR office. It is unlikely that an intern had her own account or did not know a general password for accessing Lexis-Nexis used by the PR office.

For that matter, the fact that a password is required was not mentioned in the press, but it is easily determined by visiting the site. What password was used to access the site that morning? I checked with Lexis-Nexis and they were unaware that Chandra had used their site the day she disappeared, and like the DC police, didn't seem to want to know anymore about it.

I don't think Sven should get a pass in a real investigation, nor should Condit or his brother, nor Guandique or the manager of the gym. But three people took lie detector tests the police gave, lie detector tests that Elizabeth Smart's dad described as going through hell when he took one, and none of the three who took and passed it in Chandra's case were named Condit.

Investigators may have some answers to these questions, or they may not. The question is, who investigates the investigators? With their secrecy they can imply that all that can be answered has been answered, or they could be covering up a Washington intern's murder so as to not make waves for the powerful in Congress.

No one knows, and no one can know. Don't make waves. That's how bureaucrats survive. That's how they rise to the top. And you can be sure, no waves will be made for a lowly murdered mistress of a Congressman.

rd




----->>>rd, do you tell in the book who the three people were that were given lie detectors tests? If you do I will wait til I get there and read it.

Also did you ever wonder IF IF 9/11 had a tie in to this murder? Seemed really convenient that it came like Mighty Mouse to Condits rescue.



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[benn8]

Hello Camper, here is my latest analysis on the Chandra Levy case, not that anyone wants it. Congressman Gary Condit should not have been astonished that he was found out and voted out of office, what Congressman Gary Condit should have been astonished at was that he was not found out sooner and voted out of office.

You have 8 children, Camper? One of my grandmothers only had seven. I used to know a family that had 14 children. They had a lot of ducks and chickens and other things out in their back yard, but as far as I know they never killed and ate any of them. I guess they just liked to grow things.

benn8

"By perseverance the snail reached the ark," Charles Spurgeon

[rd_jfc]

Camper, I'm checking on the source that I remember that three people were given lie detector tests and passed. It was reported that Sven and Guandique were two of them, and that Condit refused to take his.

I have assumed that the gym manager, the last person to see her, was the third person given and passed the test. I don't know of a third person ever mentioned by police who would be a likely candidate for a lie detector test except for the Condits.

I don't think 9/11 is tied in to detract from an investigation of Chandra's disappearance but Condit was then free to move about unmonitored after reporters quit following him around in the aftermath.

I will find that source for three tests but the source did not name the three people explicitly. It is from other sources that Sven and Guandique were named as passing and that Condit refused to take his.

rd

[rd_jfc]

Here's the source of three lie detector tests sought by police in addition to Condit. I will also check further into what exactly was said about a lie detector test given to OC Thomas, or why nothing was said about it.

One would think the FBI over six weeks would have done that, wouldn't they? In which case, the "retraction" would have been of verified information. Did the FBI give him a lie detector test while seeking to talk to his daughter Jennifer, and if not, how can we believe they didn't?

rd


Screams heard before Chandra disappeared
UPI
July 15, 2001

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Condit's attorney Abbe Lowell on Friday told reporters that the congressman had undergone a privately administered polygraph test that showed his innocence in Levy's disappearance.

But Ramsey and Levy family attorney Billy Martin questioned the legitimacy of the exam and renewed calls for Condit to take a lie detector test given by police.

Ramsey said investigators would continue to press Condit to take a police polygraph but remained pessimistic.

"I think that's a waste of time, quite frankly," Ramsey said. "We'll just have to move on."...

Police sources have said they also have asked three other men to take lie detector tests but did not disclose who they were and how were the connected to Levy's disappearance.

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[benn8]

I sent an email to the NAACP in Modesto a long time ago saying that Otis Thomas needed an attorney. I did not receive any reply from the NAACP. Of course when I sent that email Thomas had already been declared a liar a long time before. If Thomas would have had an attorney with him when being questioned by the FBI he would have had a witness to afirm or deny anything that the FBI said about him.

The FBI said that they were not going to charge Thomas with anything. If they had of charged him for lying or whatever other charges would have been appropriate then the FBI would have had to produce some evidence, of the questions asked of Thomas, etc. We have to consider that some of these FBI investigations may be conducted by a very few agents, and it would seem to me that at all times the reputation of the FBI agents investigating would be of more importance to the agents than any of the information that they discovered.

In reading a little about the Unibomber investigation, when the Unibomber was about to be captured, a woman FBI agent that was helping on the case had for a live in lover another FBI agent (male). The two agents were also working together on the case. The female agent said that they later separated. That type of relationship between two FBI agents makes one wonder about what type of information that they developed.

We know very little about the FBI questioning of Otis Thomas, but anything that the FBI developed about him might be very open to suspicion. Thomas had no attorney, and no one backing him up, as Condit did.

benn8

[Miss Daisey]

Hey ya'll....may I join in ?

I'm almost finished with Murder on a Horse Trail. It gives a lot of info I never knew...for sure...or the sources.

Great job, rd !!!!!!!!!

Since I'm not finished reading MHT yet, it may answer some of my questions.

Since GC was on the House Intelligence Committee before Chandra went missing, it's possible...with his security clearance..it could be one reason that the DC police didn't stir up the dust too much in the investigation. However, it's way more than interesting that Gephardt appointed GC to the House Homeland Security Committee after 9/11. That worried me since GC was still the subject of investigation into the disappearance of his "very close friend". It bothers me now knowing he has all this info on national security in that the murder of Chandra hasn't been solved. Could this be a reason why he hasn't been persued?

Camper, I don't have a link for Condit's appointment to Homeland Security Committee in late 01' or very early 02' before he lost his re-election...but I KNOW it's true. I'll try to find something on it for the sake of stating evidence instead of rumor. Perhaps someone here already has it?

Edit; found a link
"What has happened to the serial philanderer, who was in so much hot water after his television interview with Connie Chung, that Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., led us to believe he was considering removing him from the National Security Committee? Condit wasn't removed or even reprimanded for his egregious conduct. Instead, he's been rewarded with an important post on the newly created, high-profile House Intelligence Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24740

[rd_jfc]

Thank you, Daisey. I think people would be surprised if they really knew how the circumstances surrounding Chandra's disappearance tie together. They seem only disjointed, bizarre headlines, but there really was a method to the madness.

What that madness was, and why it cost Chandra her life, is the question.

In chapter Grand Jury, I do address Condit on the Terrorism Committee somewhat. They were so ashamed of him being on the committee that they cropped his picture out of the committee group picture taken at Ground Zero.

I also write of a specific congressional ethics violation Condit committed by paying for a flight for Chandra with his campaign finance fund. He told her he had frequent flyer miles, but instead charged the flight to his campaign fund and reported it was he himself flying back to Washington on a Thursday in mid December, 2000.

I examine that in Murder on a Horse Trail from information provided by Michael Doyle of the Modesto Bee and Condit's campaign finance records to show that it was actually Chandra on that flight.

Why wasn't Condit's ethics violations investigated, and why did he instead get assigned to the Terrorism Committee?

There was at that time an ethics investigation truce between the Democrats and Republicans that prohibited such ethics charges from even being brought, much less investigated. The politics of it at that time are irrelevant in a close look at Chandra's disappearance.

However, an ethics investigation by Congress in 2001 when Doyle's article in the Modesto Bee brought the potential for an ethics violation to light may have emboldened the DC police and FBI to actually investigate Chandra's disappearance rather than acting like she had run away to try to embarrass a distinguished congressman who had rebuffed her obsessive, delusional advances. I show that Condit himself led police into believing this with false information he privately supplied them and Congress when Chandra disappeared.

So instead of being investigated as an intimate of a disappeared Washington intern, he was protected by Washington from investigation until too late.

Now it is just another cold case, but the answer to any one of the questions posed in Murder on a Horse Trail could point the investigation into another direction.

To try to achieve that, for the May 1 date of Chandra's disappearance I have posted this true crime murder mystery on my site for all interested to read and disect. I have also added color maps and pictures that the printing process didn't provide for that helps the sleuth follow along in the true crime investigation. The link to Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy is:

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=26f90e19612551581a0ecd7bcf246b27

I hope we can further discuss in this thread and see if this is really a cold case, or just a case with questions that haven't been answered.

rd

[Camper]

What a powerhouse of a post you have done as I read here this morning, thank you.

I am over half finished with your book, I am a slow reader because of my life style, do not fear I will finish your book.

I have not peeked through the rest of the pages.

What I do think might be extremely helpful, IF you have not done so, is an intricate timeline, listing all of the items that tie together. There are so many things that happened, that would make more sense to the reader in following and enabling them to see a NEW and intensive picture of Chandra.

Monday June 1, this happened
Thursday June 4, this happened.

One thing for certain that JUMPS out at me is that Condit was very organized in his thinking to juggle all those women at the same time. It JUMPS out at me that he must have had a cohort to HELP him. Since Dayton dated the one girl that Condit ended up with in his juggling act, guess who I think is involved in this cover, duh, huh, er. Hmmm.
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I recall when I posted avidly on the Justice for Chandra site, my interest in the Luray Caverns went into overdrive, thinking. I am just a bit past that portion of your book now. The thought that occured to me about that, was wondering IF IF her body was sequestered OR OR perhaps even still alive at that point.

I do recall that some speculation was done on that forum at that time about a 'cabin' in that general area where government staff ?? spent happy weekends. I recall that the place was searched for clues of Chandra having perhaps been there.

So my wonderment was renewed when reading, about her being killed later than we might suspect and then dumped later in the park. Since that general area was 'apparently' searched by dogs, LE, people, etc. What better place to dump her body than a place that has already been searched!

Daytons efforts in appearing to be an 'innocent' bystander in the entire matter stand out too. He so obviously lying about Condits relationship with Chandra. Dayton - introduced them. Then played dumbell, saying Chandra knew Condit was married, duh, huh?

The person early on who 'found' the body and who now appears to have disappeared into the maze of nothingness, should be brought forth. Wonder how many turtles he has found lately, is turtle hunting an avid activity for folks in DC?

Certainly if so, more efforts of DC folks for trying to find turtles surpasses the abilities of LE/FBI to find Chandra at that time amounted to.

Good grief, I had no idea your site was so intensive, I shall be spending a great deal of time there!!!!!!!!



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[rd_jfc]

Thank you very much, Camper. You raise a lot of good points for all of us to respond to. I want to address the time line in this post.

A timeline was going to be an essential part of the book. The only question was whether it went first or in the back as an appendix. A lot of timelines of Chandra's case have been done, and I started my own by extracting statements from articles to put information in chronological order.

I didn't get far, I had too much going on and it's a very time consuming effort to gather and sort through all the information on Chandra's case. When I got laid off, I started job hunting but I all of a sudden had some time to get a book written. I was going to leave the timeline for later.

It turned out, however, that the book ended up being one giant annotated timeline. Every scrap of information and insight is presented as it happened to tell the story as it happened.

Can it be condensed to summarize the events? Sure, but does that add insight to the events? No, it doesn't. Context is everything. And some of the most important points are what didn't happen, and what hasn't been answered, presented within that context.

I ended up not having a timeline appendix. Murder on a Horse Trail is the ultimate timeline of Chandra's disappearance and murder.

Did I say ultimate? I think we can add to it yet if answers can be obtained for any of the numerous questions throughout the book which is now available for all to read at:


http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=26f90e19612551581a0ecd7bcf246b27


No, it is a timeline in progress.

rd

[rd_jfc]

Rita Cosby is out at Fox News. She had a lot of the breaking news in Chandra's case, often the only one (Luray, FBI visit to Condit's driver, etc.), so another voice stilled.

rd

[Camper]

Heard about Rita leaving, wonder where she will end up?

I also wonder who her inside sources were that she could scoop the other nets?

I am working my way through your book rd, just passing through the OC Thomas deal. Something smells really really bad with that. Do you know IF IF Jennifer really did have a twin sister?

I would so love to SEE a picture of the baby who would now be how old, about 14, I am not near my book while posting and cannot remember how old baby would be now.

About Jennifer breaking up with Condit because of strange sexual requests/demands. The life threatening call that her father received.
Plus I do believe every word he told Mrs. Levy and in all of his interviews.

The timing of Chandras disappearance certainly meshed with 9/11, didn't it?

I am wondering what Jennifer knows that might make a connection with people in our country without visas, and 9/11.

To me the biggest link to Chandras disappearance and murder is in this particular part of your book, and the real life activity that happened just before she went missing!

For 'his' alibi to work, (which it didn't anyway) I do believe Chandra was kept captive somewhere UNTIL 'his' wife went home to CA.




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[rd_jfc]

I think you've hit it on the head when you say the key to Chandra's disappearance is in the chapter on OC Thomas and daughter Jennifer. The questions are many, and the answers less than adequate. I could try to point out a few, but I refer readers to the chapter, Exposed:

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2542


Did she have a twin sister? I don't think so. I think that reporter was being lied to. Who all was being lied to, when, and why? OC Thomas owes Chandra a better answer than he has given.

That is, unless he can't give it for some reason.

rd

[Camper]

Coincidence that Chandra went missing May 1, 2001, and Twin Towers attack began September 11, 2001. OC may not have given the total content of his threatening calls at that moment in his life. I do believe great fear became a constant factor in the life of the Thomas family. Chandra had ALREADY disappeared. Who would be next IF IF they talked.

ON the other hand the stewardesses thought they would be safe IF IF they talked and they did live through their part of the involvement with Mr. C.

QUOTE from my previous post:"For 'his' alibi to work, (which it didn't anyway for May 1st) I do believe Chandra was kept captive somewhere UNTIL 'his' wife went home to CA."

I had used the word 'captive' - Chandra was already a 'romantic captive' from her liason with Mr. C. It would have been easy for Mr. C. OR OR any MR. ?, at this point in Chandras life, to have said, "I will help you find a job in DC so WE can be together, my wife is in town now, BUT is leaving next day (forgot at this hour of the morning I am not too awake, (date ?) don't make travel arrangements yet, I want to be 'with' you (in the biblical sense) BEFORE you leave. I will come get you and take you to (blah-blah) til I can break free, ok? So that is the captive I had in mind, BUT IT had to be a pretty remote place with NO PHONE. She left with only her keys, NO PHONE.

rd, the fact that Condit DID have a car, that no one knew about til much later in the investigation, lets me wonder what other hideaway he may have had that still has not been discovered. IF IF I were a guessing person, I would guess it would be another philandering congressmans place.

Wonder who Mr. C's bosom friends were in Congress?


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[Camper]

As busy as the 'caught' bad guy 'Guandeque' was in the park = source rd's book, Murder On A Horse Trail, I wonder IF IF LE ever asked him IF IF IF while he was in the park so often IF IF IF HE ever saw anything unusual? Like a car backed up to the area by picnic area 18!!

We know from all the great information on 'Guandeque' that he was there in the park more that LE, hmmm. I also wonder IF IF IF an interpretor was used to communicate with 'Guandeque'?

'Guandeque' came out smelling 'not guilty', but he may hold a missing link to Chandra's case.

Sometimes I think IF IF LE told everything/information that they uncover in specific crimes, that the public could be of better help in solving some unsolvable crimes. Details withheld typically the police say ONLY the criminal would know those details, so is it just to keep copykat loonies from confessing to something they did not do, OR?

With all of the forensic techniques available today, seems like withholding specifics of a case from the public, keeps tips down, perhaps it could even keep someone from stepping forward with information, IF IF they but just had a bit more information from LE, what does anyone think about that?


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